The Symbology of this game is just unbelievable. It's the pure representation of modern's society and other people influence in your mind, corrupting the Wonderland that you are born with. In the end, like the Cheshire Cat said, only a few find the way, and some don't recognize when they do. Alice's mind cannot be recovered for all the damage, but it will be safe in her memory, and sadly, most people cannot say the same.
What I really like about this game is how Alice switches back and forth between being in the real world and being in Wonderland, although at some moments in the game it's hard to tell if they're happening in reality or just in Alice's mind.
I'm surprised this game didn't get a lot of shit for the extremely dark theme. "Oh, I'm completely insane because a therapist raped my sister and murdered my family in a fire, which for some reason I blamed on myself. He then hypnotized me for years in an attempt to erase the memory I had of his misdeeds. He also wanted to brainwash me so that I would forget who I am and that he was trafficking children to pedophiles, but it's all okay now because I pushed him in front of a moving train."
JuleeAnn Armstrong she was guilty. guilty of ignoring the other younger childrens abuse. she was not liked by them. but only when she could face her guilt was she able to redeem herself. she was guilty of being in denial
Killing him was probably the only way she can end his crimes because no one would believe a mad woman, so her doing that does make sense. Also yeah this comment is very old, but I wanna make my mark here and say that unsurprisingly much more dark games have flourished in the industry since this one.
Actually, in interviews McGee has a different spin. I'm not entirely clear on it, but from what I get out his comments, is that Londerland is a reflection of alice's imagination, but an imagination that she's in control of; unlike the hallucinations that she couldn't control. She's not mad, she's just being imaginative; she can turn it on and off as she pleases. Basically, its no worse than day dreaming Granted, its not really that clear in the game which is why McGee has had to explain it
Backstory of Bumby's relationship Lizzie: Bumby was Lizzie's father's undergraduate at the time and he was obsessed with Lizzie. Lizzie rejected his advances on her and he took it as her "teasing" him. Bumby grew tired of it, broke into the house and rapped then killed Lizzie. Starting the fire afterwards to cover up his crime.
bruh bumby imo was just a lame villain, hes just Cartoonishly evil & dumb bro let a woman half his Size push in front of a Train god thats bad writing & him doing all that bs With kids was just Honestly so half assed.
That’s what happened with me as well. Took from my first time playing the game (which was just a few weeks after it’s release) to now, about 12 years later to finally recovery my surprised memories are trauma
That's right. "Londerland view mode" (LOL) is a symbol of Alice being finally in full control of her mind. It's making her vision of the world bright and colorful.
He probably meant that Alice can't torment and blame herself anymore about the fire. The past has been dealt with, revenge was served and twisted memories are now clear.
That moment at which Alice becomes her Wonderland self, there's a subtle roar, and I can't help but think that this is symbolic of the whole of Wonderland standing together with Alice - the Cheshire Cat, the Queen, the Hatter, the White Rabbit, etc - all to finally enact their vengeance on Bumby for what he did to Alice
“Madness and destruction. You shouldn’t ask questions you already know the answer to, it’s not polite.” I don’t know why but I would often quote that after finishing this game. It’s been years since I played it, now that I’m older the story kind of hits ya different. Like I knew it was messed up. But didn’t realize it was fucked up. Also, I don’t know how I missed the full extent of what the doctor was doing to those kids. I guess at the time I originally played I either wasn’t paying attention or didn’t have the capability of understanding. I just thought he was erasing their bad memories. But it was so much worse. Ugh I’m depressed hahaha.
Ok does anyone else think that at 5:26 when her outfit changes to her "dream world" dress that it means that things are no longer happening in real time? That she simply killed him inside her imagination? That although the truth was uncovered she is still in fact at the asylum?
sarah martinez no. this simply represent the fact that the alice from wonderland( the murderous one who slice thousand of monster) take the control in real world to kill bumby. just like the pupetmaster say, the train is a creation of alice. it was his response to the damage caused by bumby: destroy him. when she finally understand the evilness of the man, she go inside the train, admiting the only solution to save his own mind is to kill the doctor before he leave.
I honestly believe that when Bumby saw Alice change into her Wonderland dress right in front of him, Alice's control over her mental Wonderland has finally on her grip now.. like she has "willed" her psyche in the real world.. just my theory.. hehe..
Yeah I‘d agree. To me it symbolizes her taking action aka „taking the power back“. Alice for the most part of the game has been taken action inwards to heal herself by menory recovery as well as confronting her memories. But it was always inwards. In the outer world she‘s powerless. Aimlessly walking around, getting overpowered by her wonderland delusions, getting creeped on by fishermen, getting beat up by a pimp and aimlessly stumbling around the real world as she‘s hallucinating or daydreaming as the creator claimed. In the last cutscene she‘s turning back already given up and then she changes into her wonderland self to finally take action in the real world. In her circumstance she‘s basically enforcing justice that she‘d be powerless to do if she abided by the law. In wich I‘m referring to another early scene. In the beginning alice sais she doesn‘t want to fight or be violent. She doesn‘t enjoy fighting especially not killing. She isn‘t thirsty for blood. But in the end she learns that the only way she can enforce justice isn‘t by being pacifistic. She‘s committing murder as a form of justice that‘s been overlooked by the law. And to me that‘s another way of selling the point of „you have to take action. Even if it‘s ugly, painful and scary.“ and that to me is incredibly powerful. Like bumby said. She‘d have been disregarded as a loon because of her illness. She wouldn‘t. No she couldn‘t get justice because of an injustice in their very system. So the only way for her to get real justice is to stop letting the outer world abuse her and push her around and instead take action. And she did. And by doing so she took care of a monster that‘s been corrupting and hurting so many innocent women and children. In a way alice learned to stand up for both herself and others by being kind of a real life superhero who wouldn‘t let injustices in her world and her time period stop her from enforcing real justice just like she did in her wonderland. Of course should victims of voilence irl try to get justice legally. And i‘m not saying that victims should just have fought back. Instead I‘m trying to say rhat no matter how hard it is. Standing up for yourself and others is really important and empowering and that you should never let others take that away from you. And if standing up for yourself means getting a therapist, using self defense to save yourself or your loved ones, or standing up for those who are being taken advantage of is something you should do and you deserve that justice. That‘s incredibly empowering. Way more so than someone swooping you off the floor and saving you. That doesn‘t mean being saved isn‘t just as valuable. But Alice is about being strong and standing up for yourself especially when there‘s noone there who will save you. And that‘s extremely important. If you need help you need to stand up for yourself and get that therapist. Or you need to speak out to the police. Because you‘ll always be indefinitely tied to yourself so you have to stand up for yourself because you are worth getting better. You are worth getting help. You are worth getting justice. And if that‘s not empowering, nothing is.
@@takke9830 Bruh, i honestly have issues With this game & what it Does to alice & bumby which i Have a disdain for, cause Hes a bad character in General, i also hate how Literally alice has nobody in her life & shes just a Perpetual victim, being Used by people, being peeped on by 1-note Fishermen, like everyone & everyone is out to get Here its so nhilistic & depressing, its just bad to watch & feels Like a deconstruction Of what made alice in wonderland great Its just ugly, miserable Bleak & void of life im just not a fan.
Bumby was the worst part Of this game, hes just a Cartoonish villain who Does inept things, the Final reveal is utterly Lame & bad, him being Part of some underground Child ring was out of nowhere & at the last moment. the confrontation was Also cringe, with alice Lecturing bumby like Hes a bad little kid That needs to be spanked & bumby pulls a reverse Flash saying "it was me alice" Then he gets pushed in Front of a train, Lame af.
I have a theory about this ending and it's actually even less of a happy ending. Bumby actually survives at the end of this game. He manages to take the train and get away with all of the horrible things he did. Because of this, Alice surrenders what remained of her sanity and chooses to live permanently in Wonderland. The reason I think this comes from when she suddenly begins wearing the Wonderland outfit when she decides to kill him. She created a scenario for herself where she succeeded in getting her revenge and her wearing her Wonderland outfit represents this being a fantasy.
No, I think Bumby died. What I think is that when she walked away, he was stunned at her being so brave to take the key- and when she abruptly turned around, with that *_hatred_* burning in her eyes, it freaked him out and he made that face. While she did not literally have a dress on, she did have confidence that a train was conveniently about to pass the station. It's also theorized according to the Wiki that since Bumby was close to death, he saw her as having the dress while Wonderland and the real world merged in her mind. They both saw the same thing as Alice pushed him onto the tracks. This is a 2 year old comment, I know, but I figured I'd clarify what the symbolism was. The dress, and her sight of Wonderland- is what gives her so much power. In other words, her ability to remember not just everything they tried to make her forget, but the things that made her happy, were enough to give her the courage to push Bumby.
I actually didn't know the American McGee's Alice had a sequel. I just played this game recently for the first time and finished it today and the ending was dark indeed which explains her trauma preferring to be at Wonderland. Imagine you were a child sleeping and all of a sudden you hear someone creeping around your house to find out later some pedophile is hurting one of your siblings as you hear their screams begging to stop and letting go .. It's an extremely unpleasant memory that would be carved in the brain for the rest of one's life as it's agonizing to carry such a big memory burden and feeling the hatred toward one's self and the hatred for others as well. The ending was unsatisfying, but I know why the developers didn't want to go even more darker path with a more bloody ending that would leave us gamers traumatized of what she was about to do to him after his bravado speech.. Even Victor Zsasz is more sane than Alice at this point
i know that this was probably not intended, but so much of this game actually mimicks so much of the structures of dissociative identity disorder and trauma based mind control that it's insane. it was kind of confronting the first time i looked through it, but if i had to say anything is good accidental c-did representation it's gotta be this game
@@spicy_shumai Yeah I know, the issue is that he was a bad character & was so 1-dimensional I didn't care he's Evil deeds fall apart cause he was so weak & pathetic as a Villain & had no complexity.
what we can see in the end? alice never was insane or in real madness (in other chapter we can see the reference that she never was in madness, said by that fat guy that I forget the name, the guy that like oriental things), but she was traumatized, and used imagination to protect herself... her sister for sure is cute and obviously when the dr invaded her room and the queen mentioned the voices, it was rape. because the dr, she was diving in real insanity and even the imagination world was getting worse, she almost fall in real madness, bumby thought that finished it and he admitted the crime, never thought she'd react. when she finally won the battle vs him inside her, she got the control of herself and made it, and not fall on the ground or started to cry. the final scene shows how she feel, she not was trapped in it, because the wonderland in this story is the imagination world, the beauty valley is just a cover, but she still see the real world (but would be impossible to show what she see with the eyes and imagination at same time in a 3D game lolz), and when the wonderland was restored, it mean she finally was fine. I don't know what they will do if continue this story, they probably will blame her for dr death and she will be depressed again
Anyone else here think Alice going back a forth to wonderland during the confrontation between her and brumby was her having a mental break, and her pushing him in front of the train (in her wonderland form, no less) was her killing herself? That's why Wonderland is safe, but blended into the Real World. Alice couldn't stop the train. When the camera panned out, she was talking to herself, Brumby wasn't there. No? Ok, just me 😥
@@legion999 I honestly beleive that She just went mad, because in real Life she couldnt stop him, he wouldnt be so dumb as to let a girl push him in Front of a train that is just So lame & wouldnt work just cause she used wonderland, anyway someone would just take His place, man this story Is just bleak & depressing No closure or anything at all.
If you look at the red queen of the first game , The red queen looks more like a devil... Wile in the second game, Alice imagened the queen s her sister, Lizzie : Y'know, a mashup :3
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I dont think she killed him.. .. at 0:13 hes not there shes talking alone, im thinking she killed herself The whole story is just fuck the fuck up!, but i really hope they do a sequel to know what the hell happened!! She decided to stay in wonderland? Is she alive? did she really killed Bumby!??
I didn't even know there was going to be another sequel. From what it looks like, I'm not even sure she killed bumby. But, from what I've watched in other videos explaining the symbolism and everything, she didn't decide to just stay in Wonderland. She killed herself and is forever stuck there in Wonderland. As the cat says, you can't go home again. So I'm guessing she died but I'm not sure if she really killed bumby or not as she was talking to someone who wasn't even there. If you can make out what the cat really means at the end it might help because I myself am still a bit lost. Because for one, Wonderland was all just in her head right? I'm just still not quite sure I can put my finger on it when the cat says delusions too die hard. I'm still lost....
he showed up in all the scenes in my game, wierd, my take is that she *does* kill him, and the only way she could do it was to "become" the strong Alice she wanted to be in her fantasies, problem is, this causes that her mind is left broken, and she overlaps both worlds in her mind now
I just replayed the last chapter of the game and if you look really closely you can actually see Bumby's shoulder behind the pillar when people claim he disappears
5:34 I heard about this game dark tone horrifying monsters, ungrateful man, delusional protagonist but loved dark fantasy manga, gaming, movies, but sadly the modern media trying lowing dark tone and grinping story telling one kid it not all butterflies and rainbows in reality.
Well, it wouldn't matter if Alice had proof of what Bumby did since that would not permit her to murder him; she'd be charged regardless. However, she may still not go to jail; afterall, there is nothing to suggest that anyone witnessed her kill him
Well, I really hope that there is a third game, it would be like playing in different characters' viewpoints, I think; I read from wikipedia that it might not be able to have another one in the near future because of the lack of interest from the EA Games.
Interesting. ^^ My parents say that the Queen of Hearts is a satire for real life queen known as Queen Mary of Scotland. She had quite a big head and well her death sentence is beheading.
she basically is not insane anymore, because the wonderland was fixed, she was in trouble when his interior was under destruction. in the end, she is free finally, not insane, just imagination.
From what I understand McGee said that Alice gained control over her inner demons and her mental scape. Alive in Otherlands was going to be her helping others do the same (we did see a bit of that when she talks to Verne in Leviathan) but the actual sequel, Asylum, well I dont know what that will be about but god damn I am excited
So... did she actually killed the doctor or was it only in her mind ? Because scenes before, she is seen in a white bed (psychiatric) and the back again, and of course, the dress from dream world is present. Everything in the story is clear for but that, is he dead or not?
I believe he did I think her sudden change of clothes to Wonderland's represents her finally remembering and accepting what happened plus gaining all the courage she needed to do what had to be done Aka, killing that disgusting and shitty excuse of a doctor
i prefer the ending where she Never defeated him at all & he just died a long time Ago, would make it creepier In my opinion if he was just a figment of her imagination a ghost haunting her.
@@bunnythetomboy7155 Or maybe he was never There to begin with, bumby In real life propably left & alice couldnt get him In time, she essentially Propably pushed a random Guy on train tracks thinking It was bumby but it never Was him, she possibly killed a innocent man & goes Completely mad & goes Back to the asylym & Repeats like groundhog Day, Would of been a better ending.
Damn... Both games are pure masterpieces. And that's why I feel sad that I understood whole symbolism system of the first one while playing it for the first time, and didn't understand second even after playing it _twice_, and got it spoiled for myself on Wiki. =(
I will, first alice is having visions of wonderland being Turned into a nightmare, she snaps back to reality talks With a guy named dr. Bumby Who obviously wont be a Saturday morning supervillain She leaves the orphanage Then she meets a weird elderly lady who turns into a weird monster, she then Goes into wonderland meets The cheshire cat, she is told About a train destroying Wonderland called the Infernal train, then she Goes through wonderland Learns about her past & turns out yep it was The doctor all along He acts out of character & says cringe dialogue Acts inept & lets a girl Push him on a train Dude didnt fight back Or try to take out alice He just let her kill him Cause hes dumb, then Wonderland & the real World combine & the Game ends.
When I finished the game and Alice walked out of the subway and onto the street with the "hospital" she was in her regular blue Wonderland dress. If you find all the snouts, bottles, and memories do you unlock the dress seen in this video? I tried googling it but I couldn't find anything about it.
Hey... this is called the "Caterpillar Dress", it is from DLC "Weapons of Madness and Dresses Pack" - you should be able to google those and find more info.
if people get hit by a train, truck, car, anything in that speed, they die, but if you hope to see blood you will wait forever... that speed is far to show any blood
@@GeneralWagner Why did the train come out Of nowhere?? & why did bumby allow alice to kill Him?? Dude burned Down alices house Killed her family, attacked His sister, sold kids, but Lets a girl push him on Train tracks cause she Got empowered?? & Got a new dress?? Didnt He know about wonderland Didnt he know she could Break out?? this guy is Such a lame villain.
So, I gotta ask, was I the only one that didnt like this ending? Honestly, I thought it was a really cheap and lazy attempt at being edgy, something that the rest of the game seemed to be avoiding. Like "ooooo, yeah, let's throw in a child sex ring, that'll be shocking." I guess in my head I thought it was going in a much more interesting direction than it ended up going in. Here it just feels like they gave up and had Todd MacFarlane write the ending. But I am curious to know what other fans think of it. Like, I dont want to hate this game, I like everything else in it, so if anyone can convince me otherwise or show me a different perspective, that'd be great
What "more interesting" ending did you expect though? They presented a unique mystery, and gave a resolution to it. Dwell over your disappointment more and figure out what you wanted from the ending in the first place. It seems like you wanted it to be grander, but that doesn't make the ending bad so to speak.
@@devillass6025 The ending was bad It was cringe & bumby Was just a lame villain Who let a girl defeat Him, he was just inept Throughout not expecting alice to outsmart him hes One of those "creepy man" Villains that are 1-dimensional Lame & inept & get easily Defeated by a strong empowered woman The pandering is strong With this one.
@JTHMSQueeMrEffDBoy No, no youre not i disliked It as well, it was stupid & Cringe, bumby is a bad Antagonist that lets alice push him around & talk To him like a bad little kid The game imo was just Badly written, tbh it didnt Have anything interesting About it, the characters in wonderland & in the Real world dont have Much characterization That isnt one note bumby by far is the Most egregious example Cause he ruins the story With how he does all this crap, to getting defeated Like a scooby doo villain Its just painfully bad & the Message falls apart, people Imo seem to be too afraid to Criticize this game cause Bumbys a metaphor for "Systemic abusers" & Saying his character is a caricature or badly Written would mean that people are descrediting Victims which is just bs This game just fails narratively & falls apart.
Thank you and to anybody else reading this. It’s very convenient to have the video liked in your notifications so you can listen to it on the fly. I forget a lot the point fight the good fight don’t give up and don’t take any shit from someone that looks like that guy😂 that last part was a joke don’t Judge based on what’s on the surface. Make your own decisions and live with the consequences. You’re strong enough to do so.
Doubt it,she has gone completely mad,as you can see.She can no longer tell London apart from Wonderland,they've merged together in what fans call Londerland. I'd like for this to be a trilogy but it would be really hard to think of a good starting point for the story in part 3.
The bumbster has got to Be one of the worst disney Twist villains to ever exist He pulls a reverse flash & says "it was me alice" While he tells her everything & acts like a caricature & Says cringe bs like How They wouldnt beleive a "Mad woman" man this Guy is just another dreykov Character who just exists To be a lame caricature Of abusive men in positions Of power, its so pathetic & poorly created & his Death is so stupid, he Kills himself by looking Shocked cause alice Gets strong & independant & he gets intimidated & Dies, christ who wrote This, this is terrible.
wait how is Alice dead? when did she die? when i played the game i thought she was still alive, but she was just stuck in wonderland (or londerland) forever?
Alice isn't dead, I personally think that she is stuck in a sort of in-between of reality and Wonderland because she can no longer tell what is real and what isn't. It's just a theory though ^^
Elise Gastelum to clarify for future readers: yes, it is heavily implied Bumby raped Lizzie before killing her. infact, there were lines from an earlier draft, "you raped my sister, murdered her, and killed my family to cover up your crime." however, it was cut because alice never really knew what happened, it was just implied
@@lexalina132 That was used for shock value, it was just to make Bumby bad, out of nowhere dude did all this bs cause a girl rejected him, cringe & even worse dude acts like a cartoon villain.
@MSElise-191 Im pretty sure everyone did When they saw the bumbster Inact his evil villain scheme as he laughs maniacally & gets foiled by a strong Woman as he gets intimidated he gets defeated not ny alice But his Incompetence, i feel lizzies pain, dude is cringe & such a bad Villain, dude needs to Get the fleece johnson Treatment.
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The Symbology of this game is just unbelievable. It's the pure representation of modern's society and other people influence in your mind, corrupting the Wonderland that you are born with. In the end, like the Cheshire Cat said, only a few find the way, and some don't recognize when they do. Alice's mind cannot be recovered for all the damage, but it will be safe in her memory, and sadly, most people cannot say the same.
i think alice ok now - he can creat now
@@robinkidd6347
It's too bad bumby had to ruin that
by being a bad antagonist.
What I really like about this game is how Alice switches back and forth between being in the real world and being in Wonderland, although at some moments in the game it's hard to tell if they're happening in reality or just in Alice's mind.
i think that's the aidea behind these games
Maybe both
I'm surprised this game didn't get a lot of shit for the extremely dark theme. "Oh, I'm completely insane because a therapist raped my sister and murdered my family in a fire, which for some reason I blamed on myself. He then hypnotized me for years in an attempt to erase the memory I had of his misdeeds. He also wanted to brainwash me so that I would forget who I am and that he was trafficking children to pedophiles, but it's all okay now because I pushed him in front of a moving train."
JuleeAnn Armstrong she was guilty. guilty of ignoring the other younger childrens abuse. she was not liked by them. but only when she could face her guilt was she able to redeem herself. she was guilty of being in denial
Killing him was probably the only way she can end his crimes because no one would believe a mad woman, so her doing that does make sense. Also yeah this comment is very old, but I wanna make my mark here and say that unsurprisingly much more dark games have flourished in the industry since this one.
It didnt say its okay now, she killed him and went back to wonderland so she wouldnt have to deal with this horrible shit anymore
I'm happy for her
@@legion999 Wait until Alice Asylum
The voice of the cat is the most beautiful melody I have ever heard
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Actually, in interviews McGee has a different spin. I'm not entirely clear on it, but from what I get out his comments, is that Londerland is a reflection of alice's imagination, but an imagination that she's in control of; unlike the hallucinations that she couldn't control. She's not mad, she's just being imaginative; she can turn it on and off as she pleases. Basically, its no worse than day dreaming
Granted, its not really that clear in the game which is why McGee has had to explain it
MonteCreations its denial. its not about what she is choosing to see. its about what she is choosing to not see
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Backstory of Bumby's relationship Lizzie:
Bumby was Lizzie's father's undergraduate at the time and he was obsessed with Lizzie. Lizzie rejected his advances on her and he took it as her "teasing" him. Bumby grew tired of it, broke into the house and rapped then killed Lizzie. Starting the fire afterwards to cover up his crime.
bruh bumby imo was just
a lame villain, hes just
Cartoonishly evil & dumb
bro let a woman half his
Size push in front of a
Train god thats bad writing
& him doing all that bs
With kids was just
Honestly so half assed.
Thats so dumb & cringe
For a villain motivation
& so 1-dimensional.
This game helped me through memory repression. Especially the last quote at the end.
I'm interested
That’s what happened with me as well. Took from my first time playing the game (which was just a few weeks after it’s release) to now, about 12 years later to finally recovery my surprised memories are trauma
"Forgetting is just forgetting, exept for when it's not."
*You don't say-*
For some reason I really really like that quote "forgetting is just forgetting.. except when it's not, then they call it something else"
@@lerolero38 "I would like to forget what you did. I tried, but I can't"
That's right. "Londerland view mode" (LOL) is a symbol of Alice being finally in full control of her mind. It's making her vision of the world bright and colorful.
He probably meant that Alice can't torment and blame herself anymore about the fire. The past has been dealt with, revenge was served and twisted memories are now clear.
That moment at which Alice becomes her Wonderland self, there's a subtle roar, and I can't help but think that this is symbolic of the whole of Wonderland standing together with Alice - the Cheshire Cat, the Queen, the Hatter, the White Rabbit, etc - all to finally enact their vengeance on Bumby for what he did to Alice
5:33 ALICE WINS! Flawless victory. FATALITY!
that stage finish reference... perfect HAHAHAHAHA
i mean bumby essentially
Let her win, he didnt even
Try to fight back.
“Madness and destruction. You shouldn’t ask questions you already know the answer to, it’s not polite.” I don’t know why but I would often quote that after finishing this game. It’s been years since I played it, now that I’m older the story kind of hits ya different. Like I knew it was messed up. But didn’t realize it was fucked up. Also, I don’t know how I missed the full extent of what the doctor was doing to those kids. I guess at the time I originally played I either wasn’t paying attention or didn’t have the capability of understanding. I just thought he was erasing their bad memories. But it was so much worse. Ugh I’m depressed hahaha.
Ok does anyone else think that at 5:26 when her outfit changes to her "dream world" dress that it means that things are no longer happening in real time? That she simply killed him inside her imagination? That although the truth was uncovered she is still in fact at the asylum?
sarah martinez no. this simply represent the fact that the alice from wonderland( the murderous one who slice thousand of monster) take the control in real world to kill bumby. just like the pupetmaster say, the train is a creation of alice. it was his response to the damage caused by bumby: destroy him. when she finally understand the evilness of the man, she go inside the train, admiting the only solution to save his own mind is to kill the doctor before he leave.
I hope Bumby suffers for eternity in hell...After all he did to Alice, Lizzie, and all those poor children was really UNFORGIVABLE!!!!
he will suffer as a forgettable
Villain.
These shocking green eyes! I'm so in love!
Yes!
I honestly believe that when Bumby saw Alice change into her Wonderland dress right in front of him, Alice's control over her mental Wonderland has finally on her grip now.. like she has "willed" her psyche in the real world.. just my theory.. hehe..
Yeah I‘d agree. To me it symbolizes her taking action aka „taking the power back“. Alice for the most part of the game has been taken action inwards to heal herself by menory recovery as well as confronting her memories. But it was always inwards. In the outer world she‘s powerless. Aimlessly walking around, getting overpowered by her wonderland delusions, getting creeped on by fishermen, getting beat up by a pimp and aimlessly stumbling around the real world as she‘s hallucinating or daydreaming as the creator claimed. In the last cutscene she‘s turning back already given up and then she changes into her wonderland self to finally take action in the real world. In her circumstance she‘s basically enforcing justice that she‘d be powerless to do if she abided by the law. In wich I‘m referring to another early scene. In the beginning alice sais she doesn‘t want to fight or be violent. She doesn‘t enjoy fighting especially not killing. She isn‘t thirsty for blood. But in the end she learns that the only way she can enforce justice isn‘t by being pacifistic. She‘s committing murder as a form of justice that‘s been overlooked by the law. And to me that‘s another way of selling the point of „you have to take action. Even if it‘s ugly, painful and scary.“ and that to me is incredibly powerful. Like bumby said. She‘d have been disregarded as a loon because of her illness. She wouldn‘t. No she couldn‘t get justice because of an injustice in their very system. So the only way for her to get real justice is to stop letting the outer world abuse her and push her around and instead take action. And she did. And by doing so she took care of a monster that‘s been corrupting and hurting so many innocent women and children. In a way alice learned to stand up for both herself and others by being kind of a real life superhero who wouldn‘t let injustices in her world and her time period stop her from enforcing real justice just like she did in her wonderland. Of course should victims of voilence irl try to get justice legally. And i‘m not saying that victims should just have fought back. Instead I‘m trying to say rhat no matter how hard it is. Standing up for yourself and others is really important and empowering and that you should never let others take that away from you. And if standing up for yourself means getting a therapist, using self defense to save yourself or your loved ones, or standing up for those who are being taken advantage of is something you should do and you deserve that justice. That‘s incredibly empowering. Way more so than someone swooping you off the floor and saving you. That doesn‘t mean being saved isn‘t just as valuable. But Alice is about being strong and standing up for yourself especially when there‘s noone there who will save you. And that‘s extremely important. If you need help you need to stand up for yourself and get that therapist. Or you need to speak out to the police. Because you‘ll always be indefinitely tied to yourself so you have to stand up for yourself because you are worth getting better. You are worth getting help. You are worth getting justice. And if that‘s not empowering, nothing is.
@@takke9830
She somehow awakened her psychic powers, though...
@@takke9830
Bruh, i honestly have issues
With this game & what it
Does to alice & bumby which
i Have a disdain for, cause
Hes a bad character in
General, i also hate how
Literally alice has nobody
in her life & shes just a
Perpetual victim, being
Used by people, being
peeped on by 1-note
Fishermen, like everyone
& everyone is out to get
Here its so nhilistic
& depressing, its just
bad to watch & feels
Like a deconstruction
Of what made alice
in wonderland great
Its just ugly, miserable
Bleak & void of life
im just not a fan.
Bumby was just a terrible
Antagonist, he has 0%
Depth, personality &
Acts like a inept villain
Who cant do anything
Intelligent.
Bumby was the worst part
Of this game, hes just a
Cartoonish villain who
Does inept things, the
Final reveal is utterly
Lame & bad, him being
Part of some underground
Child ring was out of nowhere
& at the last moment.
the confrontation was
Also cringe, with alice
Lecturing bumby like
Hes a bad little kid
That needs to be spanked
& bumby pulls a reverse
Flash saying "it was me alice"
Then he gets pushed in
Front of a train, Lame af.
I have a theory about this ending and it's actually even less of a happy ending.
Bumby actually survives at the end of this game. He manages to take the train and get away with all of the horrible things he did. Because of this, Alice surrenders what remained of her sanity and chooses to live permanently in Wonderland.
The reason I think this comes from when she suddenly begins wearing the Wonderland outfit when she decides to kill him.
She created a scenario for herself where she succeeded in getting her revenge and her wearing her Wonderland outfit represents this being a fantasy.
〈The Nickname〉 my thoughts exactly
But she grabbed Lizzie's keys before changing her outfit
No, I think Bumby died. What I think is that when she walked away, he was stunned at her being so brave to take the key- and when she abruptly turned around, with that *_hatred_* burning in her eyes, it freaked him out and he made that face. While she did not literally have a dress on, she did have confidence that a train was conveniently about to pass the station.
It's also theorized according to the Wiki that since Bumby was close to death, he saw her as having the dress while Wonderland and the real world merged in her mind. They both saw the same thing as Alice pushed him onto the tracks.
This is a 2 year old comment, I know, but I figured I'd clarify what the symbolism was. The dress, and her sight of Wonderland- is what gives her so much power. In other words, her ability to remember not just everything they tried to make her forget, but the things that made her happy, were enough to give her the courage to push Bumby.
@@Resi1ience And Alice Asylum is coming!!
@@gab2v7 Really??? Is it ??? Whoaa
I actually didn't know the American McGee's Alice had a sequel.
I just played this game recently for the first time and finished it today and the ending was dark indeed which explains her trauma preferring to be at Wonderland.
Imagine you were a child sleeping and all of a sudden you hear someone creeping around your house to find out later some pedophile is hurting one of your siblings as you hear their screams begging to stop and letting go .. It's an extremely unpleasant memory that would be carved in the brain for the rest of one's life as it's agonizing to carry such a big memory burden and feeling the hatred toward one's self and the hatred for others as well.
The ending was unsatisfying, but I know why the developers didn't want to go even more darker path with a more bloody ending that would leave us gamers traumatized of what she was about to do to him after his bravado speech.. Even Victor Zsasz is more sane than Alice at this point
The most beautiful ending in this game I loved it made me wanna cry. The most beautiful of all time. God bless this game. 😂
T_T I wish someone like her still exists in real life.
i know that this was probably not intended, but so much of this game actually mimicks so much of the structures of dissociative identity disorder and trauma based mind control that it's insane. it was kind of confronting the first time i looked through it, but if i had to say anything is good accidental c-did representation it's gotta be this game
I would love Alice to be real, she's gorgeous and admirable, so persistent.
Yes.
Yes.
The first part of this scene, I did for a theater play. I had the teacher and some of the other students looking at my group like “TF?!”
This is probably one of the craziest games I have ever played.... then again I;m not much of a gamer... but damn did I love this game.
Taking "Therapist the rapist" on a quite literal level, Mcgee's a fucking genius!
bumby?? no he just sucks
not as a bad person but
a character.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 Yes, him. He literally abused Alice's sister, that's the whole point..
@@spicy_shumai
Yeah I know, the issue is that he
was a bad character & was so
1-dimensional I didn't care he's
Evil deeds fall apart cause he
was so weak & pathetic as a
Villain & had no complexity.
@@Densester
That's not genius that's just
Cringe amateur writing.
what we can see in the end? alice never was insane or in real madness (in other chapter we can see the reference that she never was in madness, said by that fat guy that I forget the name, the guy that like oriental things), but she was traumatized, and used imagination to protect herself...
her sister for sure is cute and obviously when the dr invaded her room and the queen mentioned the voices, it was rape.
because the dr, she was diving in real insanity and even the imagination world was getting worse, she almost fall in real madness, bumby thought that finished it and he admitted the crime, never thought she'd react. when she finally won the battle vs him inside her, she got the control of herself and made it, and not fall on the ground or started to cry.
the final scene shows how she feel, she not was trapped in it, because the wonderland in this story is the imagination world, the beauty valley is just a cover, but she still see the real world (but would be impossible to show what she see with the eyes and imagination at same time in a 3D game lolz), and when the wonderland was restored, it mean she finally was fine.
I don't know what they will do if continue this story, they probably will blame her for dr death and she will be depressed again
Anyone else here think Alice going back a forth to wonderland during the confrontation between her and brumby was her having a mental break, and her pushing him in front of the train (in her wonderland form, no less) was her killing herself?
That's why Wonderland is safe, but blended into the Real World. Alice couldn't stop the train.
When the camera panned out, she was talking to herself, Brumby wasn't there.
No? Ok, just me 😥
The dude was standing there, but a little part was visible..
No, she killed him, and went back into her own mind
If that was the true ending I would of cried
@@legion999
I honestly beleive that
She just went mad, because
in real Life she couldnt stop him, he wouldnt be so dumb
as to let a girl push him in
Front of a train that is just
So lame & wouldnt work
just cause she used wonderland, anyway
someone would just take
His place, man this story
Is just bleak & depressing
No closure or anything
at all.
0:11-0:14 was that an animator/animation error?
uhm... the therapist is there but the Column is covering him I believe
Wait, she called the Red Queen Lizzy ?
Well, I'm confused D:
If you look at the red queen of the first game , The red queen looks more like a devil...
Wile in the second game, Alice imagened the queen s her sister, Lizzie : Y'know, a mashup :3
She also looks like lizzie( with shorter hair)
Hmmmm, oh :o
NikoThatsMe Welll...? :3
I don’t play video games very often but this is one of my favorites
It looks to me like he was behind the pillar. But I can understand why it would look like he wasn't there at all.
I just wanted Alice to get the vorpal blade and cut his damn head into pieces. I hate that guy ugh
Me too
I hate his character it lacks
Presentation.
I think Bumby's death might be a too lenient but other than that it was satisfying to watch.
To see a cardboard character
Bumble around nah im good.
I feel bad for hatter
Dr. Bumby's kid: So that's who my father died and who he was?
I don't know why, but I have the same felling after that game like after the Silent Hill's music/music from Akira Yamaoka
Still surprised by that ending. I'd like to see a third game expanding on "Londerland" but would it fly?
Seems to be still available in various places... Amazon, Steam, Origin (your preference). Amazon PC Download is currently $4.99, so pretty cheap! Just check the specifications to see if your laptop will meet them and run it.
great voice acting all around
I can relate to this Alice a lot, as much as I relate to Elsa from Frozen...
So you're an icy mad bitch ?
You could say that. :3
@@TotallyLisaBackup not something to be proud of
5:35 Hahaha! That tumbling animation was so shitty! Lol!
It should be noted that this game is probably older than I am, and the tumbling animation isn't really that bad anyway so
@@Resi1ience 2011
@@CeriseCherryMarie Have you seen 2011 games
Alice is a force user, didn't you know?
Do u think there's going to be a new game after this? I kinda believe so because cheshire says '' wonderland is safe.. for now'' ..
Ruth Marblesoda 6 years later nadaaa
yes, alice asylum, but it wont be released until 2021
Alice: Asylum. American Mcgee is giving constant updates about it on his youtube channel.
Yes 6 years after
OMG... my condolences.
I Love her
Reminds me of myself too. That's why I like her too. >=3
she was more normal than everyone around...
Teeheehee~! Such wonderful Madness and Despair!
@ComingInFromTheColdx The one with the wings? That is the "Caterpillar Dress", available in a DLC.
I dont think she killed him.. ..
at 0:13 hes not there shes talking alone, im thinking she killed herself
The whole story is just fuck the fuck up!, but i really hope they do a sequel to know what the hell happened!!
She decided to stay in wonderland? Is she alive? did she really killed Bumby!??
***** The sequel is planned to be released in December
I didn't even know there was going to be another sequel. From what it looks like, I'm not even sure she killed bumby. But, from what I've watched in other videos explaining the symbolism and everything, she didn't decide to just stay in Wonderland. She killed herself and is forever stuck there in Wonderland. As the cat says, you can't go home again. So I'm guessing she died but I'm not sure if she really killed bumby or not as she was talking to someone who wasn't even there. If you can make out what the cat really means at the end it might help because I myself am still a bit lost. Because for one, Wonderland was all just in her head right? I'm just still not quite sure I can put my finger on it when the cat says delusions too die hard. I'm still lost....
It could be just a glitch in the game, bro...
he showed up in all the scenes in my game, wierd, my take is that she *does* kill him, and the only way she could do it was to "become" the strong Alice she wanted to be in her fantasies, problem is, this causes that her mind is left broken, and she overlaps both worlds in her mind now
I just replayed the last chapter of the game and if you look really closely you can actually see Bumby's shoulder behind the pillar when people claim he disappears
5:34 I heard about this game dark tone horrifying monsters, ungrateful man, delusional protagonist but loved dark fantasy manga, gaming, movies, but sadly the modern media trying lowing dark tone and grinping story telling one kid it not all butterflies and rainbows in reality.
Well, it wouldn't matter if Alice had proof of what Bumby did since that would not permit her to murder him; she'd be charged regardless. However, she may still not go to jail; afterall, there is nothing to suggest that anyone witnessed her kill him
She didnt kill him, his
incompetence did dude
Could of fought he just
Stood there & let her
Kill him, lame, lame
Lame!!!
Alistair McGowan sounding a lot like Lord Darkness!
5:35 : This is Wonderland !
Alice cleaning house! :"D
Angus got away from his crime against Alice family but in the end, Alice gets away off killing him. Poetic justice
Hes just a strawman character
Dude had 0% depth.
Well, I really hope that there is a third game, it would be like playing in different characters' viewpoints, I think; I read from wikipedia that it might not be able to have another one in the near future because of the lack of interest from the EA Games.
WAIT..Lizzie is the Queen of Hearts in Wonderland!! Dun dun DUN!!!!!!
+Seraphim No, Alice calls the queen Lizzie.. I'm not sure
That's what my BF tells me
Interesting. ^^ My parents say that the Queen of Hearts is a satire for real life queen known as Queen Mary of Scotland. She had quite a big head and well her death sentence is beheading.
the queen of hearts here is a mere reflection of younger alice, alice only thinks she is lizzie but it was never confirmed
If Alice is dead in the end, then why make another sequel though?
She isnt dead she is just lost in her madness.
She's not dead, you Dingus! It's called imagination. What are you stupid or something?
Did you not see that London and Wonderland merged together? That means that Alice has finally gone insane.
she basically is not insane anymore, because the wonderland was fixed, she was in trouble when his interior was under destruction.
in the end, she is free finally, not insane, just imagination.
From what I understand McGee said that Alice gained control over her inner demons and her mental scape. Alive in Otherlands was going to be her helping others do the same (we did see a bit of that when she talks to Verne in Leviathan) but the actual sequel, Asylum, well I dont know what that will be about but god damn I am excited
I really hope they make a third!
They are asylum.
WAY TO GO ALICE ; . ;
So... did she actually killed the doctor or was it only in her mind ? Because scenes before, she is seen in a white bed (psychiatric) and the back again, and of course, the dress from dream world is present. Everything in the story is clear for but that, is he dead or not?
I believe he did
I think her sudden change of clothes to Wonderland's represents her finally remembering and accepting what happened plus gaining all the courage she needed to do what had to be done
Aka, killing that disgusting and shitty excuse of a doctor
@@okamithedarkwolf9955
I mean hes "disgusting" but
Thats only his only character
Trait.
i prefer the ending where she
Never defeated him at all
& he just died a long time
Ago, would make it creepier
In my opinion if he was just
a figment of her imagination
a ghost haunting her.
0:11 where's Bumby ????
He may be behind one of the pulls or the game glitched out
@@bunnythetomboy7155
Or maybe he was never
There to begin with, bumby
In real life propably left
& alice couldnt get him
In time, she essentially
Propably pushed a random
Guy on train tracks thinking
It was bumby but it never
Was him, she possibly killed
a innocent man & goes
Completely mad & goes
Back to the asylym &
Repeats like groundhog
Day, Would of been
a better ending.
They are planning to create another game called Alice in Otherland
YEAHHHHHHH 5:35
You can also get this game on the Xbox Live Games Market.
Yes
poor lizzie! :( *Aqua*
Im when know is game: wow new game!!! 'Game':bruh im have 11 years lol
What is the angry- type music that plays in the background?
This so awesome! Where can I buy it?
And will it play on my laptop? :)
Alice eyes are very shocking. But Dr bumbys death wasn't fair. This is the story about the real Alice Liddell
Bumby didnt even try to
Stop alice wut??
Damn... Both games are pure masterpieces.
And that's why I feel sad that I understood whole symbolism system of the first one while playing it for the first time, and didn't understand second even after playing it _twice_, and got it spoiled for myself on Wiki. =(
can someone please tell me the story of this game?
I will, first alice is having visions of wonderland being
Turned into a nightmare, she
snaps back to reality talks
With a guy named dr. Bumby
Who obviously wont be a
Saturday morning supervillain
She leaves the orphanage
Then she meets a weird
elderly lady who turns into
a weird monster, she then
Goes into wonderland meets
The cheshire cat, she is told
About a train destroying
Wonderland called the
Infernal train, then she
Goes through wonderland
Learns about her past
& turns out yep it was
The doctor all along
He acts out of character
& says cringe dialogue
Acts inept & lets a girl
Push him on a train
Dude didnt fight back
Or try to take out alice
He just let her kill him
Cause hes dumb, then
Wonderland & the real
World combine & the
Game ends.
Violence is always the answer
Thats just not true.
I'm also curious what will convince her to enter their minds... and how it will be done?
They are supposed to be making a third one soon (: I hope they do
Alice Asylum is in the making.
bad news guys it was cancelled:( greedy ea decided they won't make enough money on it
Ok, thanks for answering :)
Thank You! I'll go and check it out now. :)
When I finished the game and Alice walked out of the subway and onto the street with the "hospital" she was in her regular blue Wonderland dress. If you find all the snouts, bottles, and memories do you unlock the dress seen in this video? I tried googling it but I couldn't find anything about it.
Hey... this is called the "Caterpillar Dress", it is from DLC "Weapons of Madness and Dresses Pack" - you should be able to google those and find more info.
@@WebFoo ohh, thanks!!
I wonder where The White Queen is.
The white queen was a manifestation of Alice's mother she can be seen alive in the first game and as a stone bust sculpture in AMR
There was no blood when he got hit by a train.
My theory is he is still alive!!!!
That's why Alice is still mad.
if people get hit by a train, truck, car, anything in that speed, they die, but if you hope to see blood you will wait forever... that speed is far to show any blood
@@GeneralWagner
Why did the train come out
Of nowhere?? & why did bumby allow alice to kill
Him?? Dude burned
Down alices house
Killed her family, attacked
His sister, sold kids, but
Lets a girl push him on
Train tracks cause she
Got empowered?? &
Got a new dress?? Didnt
He know about wonderland
Didnt he know she could
Break out?? this guy is
Such a lame villain.
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nooo i wanted the guy to pay for his crimes😭😭😭😭😭i’m so mad
I would have much preferred him die than paying for them. If I was Alice I would have killed him too.
@LoonzeeToons007
By ineptitude the
Train & alice didnt
Do it.
So, I gotta ask, was I the only one that didnt like this ending? Honestly, I thought it was a really cheap and lazy attempt at being edgy, something that the rest of the game seemed to be avoiding. Like "ooooo, yeah, let's throw in a child sex ring, that'll be shocking." I guess in my head I thought it was going in a much more interesting direction than it ended up going in. Here it just feels like they gave up and had Todd MacFarlane write the ending. But I am curious to know what other fans think of it. Like, I dont want to hate this game, I like everything else in it, so if anyone can convince me otherwise or show me a different perspective, that'd be great
What "more interesting" ending did you expect though? They presented a unique mystery, and gave a resolution to it. Dwell over your disappointment more and figure out what you wanted from the ending in the first place. It seems like you wanted it to be grander, but that doesn't make the ending bad so to speak.
@@devillass6025
The ending was bad
It was cringe & bumby
Was just a lame villain
Who let a girl defeat
Him, he was just inept
Throughout not expecting
alice to outsmart him hes
One of those "creepy man"
Villains that are 1-dimensional
Lame & inept & get easily
Defeated by a strong empowered woman
The pandering is strong
With this one.
@JTHMSQueeMrEffDBoy
No, no youre not i disliked
It as well, it was stupid &
Cringe, bumby is a bad
Antagonist that lets alice
push him around & talk
To him like a bad little kid
The game imo was just
Badly written, tbh it didnt
Have anything interesting
About it, the characters
in wonderland & in the
Real world dont have
Much characterization
That isnt one note
bumby by far is the
Most egregious example
Cause he ruins the story
With how he does all
this crap, to getting defeated
Like a scooby doo villain
Its just painfully bad & the
Message falls apart, people
Imo seem to be too afraid to
Criticize this game cause
Bumbys a metaphor for
"Systemic abusers" &
Saying his character is
a caricature or badly
Written would mean
that people are descrediting
Victims which is just bs
This game just fails narratively
& falls apart.
Ok
Thank you and to anybody else reading this. It’s very convenient to have the video liked in your notifications so you can listen to it on the fly. I forget a lot the point fight the good fight don’t give up and don’t take any shit from someone that looks like that guy😂 that last part was a joke don’t Judge based on what’s on the surface. Make your own decisions and live with the consequences. You’re strong enough to do so.
yea I am also confussed, did he hurt Alice and Lizze?
Alive you da man
woo way to go alice i got the game but im stuck on one part so yea
That's creepy😱😱😱😱😭😭😭
Doubt it,she has gone completely mad,as you can see.She can no longer tell London apart from Wonderland,they've merged together in what fans call Londerland.
I'd like for this to be a trilogy but it would be really hard to think of a good starting point for the story in part 3.
The bumbster has got to
Be one of the worst disney
Twist villains to ever exist
He pulls a reverse flash
& says "it was me alice"
While he tells her everything
& acts like a caricature &
Says cringe bs like How
They wouldnt beleive a
"Mad woman" man this
Guy is just another dreykov
Character who just exists
To be a lame caricature
Of abusive men in positions
Of power, its so pathetic
& poorly created & his
Death is so stupid, he
Kills himself by looking
Shocked cause alice
Gets strong & independant
& he gets intimidated &
Dies, christ who wrote
This, this is terrible.
wait how is Alice dead? when did she die? when i played the game i thought she was still alive, but she was just stuck in wonderland (or londerland) forever?
I think she's free and she can be in londerland as long as she wanted to ? Your theory ?
Alice isn't dead, I personally think that she is stuck in a sort of in-between of reality and Wonderland because she can no longer tell what is real and what isn't. It's just a theory though ^^
londerland💀💀💀
@@--BACKTFUP ... have you played the game?
Im just 12 years old and i can understand som of them... Am i crazt e.O
hey so you 23 now?
i know this game more than you :p
Angus Bumby reminds me so much of my ex boyfriend...
Is he a cartoon villain too??
Does he say cringe dialogue
& get easlily pushed around
by strong women??
That must be a downloadable suit
so Lizzie got raped????? O.e i'm confused
Elise Gastelum to clarify for future readers: yes, it is heavily implied Bumby raped Lizzie before killing her. infact, there were lines from an earlier draft, "you raped my sister, murdered her, and killed my family to cover up your crime." however, it was cut because alice never really knew what happened, it was just implied
@@lexalina132
That was used for shock
value, it was just to make
Bumby bad, out of nowhere
dude did all this bs cause
a girl rejected him, cringe
& even worse dude acts like
a cartoon villain.
@MSElise-191
Im pretty sure everyone did
When they saw the bumbster
Inact his evil villain scheme
as he laughs maniacally
& gets foiled by a strong
Woman as he gets intimidated
he gets defeated not ny alice
But his Incompetence, i feel lizzies pain, dude is cringe
& such a bad Villain, dude needs to Get the fleece johnson Treatment.
@elongatedmanforever1252
lol what are you trying to do. deny the games plot? if ur gonna troll, at least be smart about it.
@@hssnrh
I'm not denying it, I just don't like bumby
as a antagonist I think he's Cartoonish
and a uninteresting villain in general.
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww lol
Me when i see bumby.
Thank you I had this game stolen and when I watch these I think back thank you for putting this in an order “I” care for thank you gamer to gamer
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