Can YOU Tell Who's Lying and SOLVE this REAL CASE? Learn Expert Interrogation/Behavior Analysis.
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2022
- Put your lie detection, body language and behavior analysis skills to the test in this interrogation analysis of Matthew Livers and Jessica Reid. When Wayne and Sharmon Stock's bodies were found in their home in April of 2006, local investigators began what proved to be one of the most confusing cases in American crime history. False confessions, inexperienced interrogators, unethical forensic analyst, this one has it all!
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02:20 Is Matthew Livers Guilty?
04:30 Did David KoFoed Plant Evidence?
06:00 Is Jessica Reid Lying?
07:08 Where did Earl Shenck go wrong?
09:30 Expert Interrogation Analysis
14:18 Learn How To Detect Lies
18:47 How to Profile Behavior
23:16 Expert Lie Detection Tips
25:28 The WORST Liar I've Ever Seen
27:50 Is This a False Confession
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When I saw the girl’s denial, I totally bought it. I felt sadness and like she was being wrongfully accused. I clearly don’t have a future as an interrogator.
Ahah. Me too. I mean my gut was telling me she was guilty. They robbed a house and the couple gets murder at the same hour and... who could it be? Next door neighbor that came to ask for a cup of sugar?? Some of her's body gestures hint that. But her voice and words put a lot of doubt into it. I say lets assume innocence until proven otherwise.
I felt the complete opposite. She seems to be trying too hard to be convincing. As soon as I saw her footage, I knew she was lying. Also her comment about “never killing anyone” was a red flag. She was too general about that. She was just doing too much and in my experience, liars tend to be over the top with their acts because think it makes them look genuine.
Her behavior is consistent to one of a young falsely accused and severely punished. I got trough that experience and even now after many many years I have an extremely strong defensive reaction. It this interview it was pretty clear to what they have hinted at since the beginning.
You're fine. This guy is biased as fuck.
@@elenabob4953 Exaclty. I watched this video like.
"Why did she jump to the conclusion that she was being accused, she must be feeling GuiLtYy" -- no man, that's clearly what is implied here, are you three? Also ofc she's nervous she's being interrogated. She's at a police station. There is nothing is this situation not to be nervous about, but this guy says it as a "haha gotcha" moment.
This channel is so biased I'm crying.
Hey Guys!
I really hope you enjoyed this video. I wanted to throw a couple of extra things I saw in this comment that I either forgot to mention or edited out for brevity.
1) At 13:35 In her interrogation, Jessica Reid has a big pronoun shift. Initially she is talking with “we” and “us.” (I cut her video down a lot, there’s much more in the whole episode). When she’s asked about the murder there’s a sudden shift to I. “I never killed anyone, I didn’t do it, I took money that’s it etc…” This is significant. I believe Gregory was the one who did the killing.
2) Jessica Reid also evokes religion in her “denial” twice; “Oh god” then later “I swear to God.” Evoking religion is part of a deceptive cluster but hysterical teenagers use it very freely, she used it elsewhere in her interrogation as well so it can be ignored in this case. (Not that we need it to know she’s hiding something)
3) At 29:30 Matthew Livers tells the interrogators “I’m here to COOPERATE with you gentlemen.” This is an odd choice of words for someone who’s innocent, typically we use “cooperate” when we are helping someone reluctantly or expected to resist. Why would he need to cooperate if he’s in no way involved? Just a weird choice of word in my opinion which contributes to the fact that I would have dug a little deeper as well.
4) At 02:34 we hear the interrogator horribly mispronounce “non-custodial.” He says non-consodial, that is nowhere near the right pronunciation and it’s crystal clear, it’s not a little slip, he just doesn’t know how to say it. Any trained or experienced interrogator should know how to pronounce that word, this further confirms, for me, that he really isn’t too experienced and hasn’t used that word too often.
5) At 25:29 in that disastrous answer from Kofoed there is a cut in the middle of his answer. That is not my edit, it was aired that way. It is possible the producers cut two separate answers together to make this seem worse than it actually is but even if we look at it as two separate answers; it’s a damn mess.
At 15:37 Jessica seems to be doing the I surrender hand gesture. I wonder if they could have gotten a confession from her at that point
Speaking of lingual errors by interrogators, it really sticks in my craw when they say "cowobberate" instead of "corroborate" 😬😬
@@iamtwatson good point. I think she was a little hysterical and that’s tough to crack sometimes but I think if they calmed her and really played this right they could have done it. Unfortunately not one of them had a clue on how to extract a confession
Aww man, spoiler alert. Do tread the comments til I’ve watched the whole vid. 🤣🤣🤣
I actually (I’ll explain this usage at the end) see innocent people use the word cooperate frequently. He (Livers) once had aspirations to the position of police officer. He’d probably seen many TV shows, and even fancied himself as a detective in that aspirational life. Cooperation made him feel he was one of the detectives. It put him on an equal playing field in his mind. I see people do this all the time in court.
I use the word actually in my speech and writing far too much! It’s from frequently being penalized at a job for using the word no. No was forbidden! It’s part of the psychological gameplay of an abusive boss. Sadly, it’s had permanent repercussions on my language habits.
When someone feels cornered after a false confession, I can see them mentioning somebody they trust knowing they had nothing to do with it. Figuring that when the police have no evidence on that person, the truth about you will come out.
That's exactly what I saw. He knew he'd been coerced and just wanted to get out of that room. He brought his cousin in as a solution, not to blame him.
Yes! Its like when a (young) victim is scared to say who the perpetrator is, so they say its someone they are comfortable with, someone who they can trust.
That’s what I was thinking. Naming someone who was obviously innocent could help him prove his own innocence.
@@hopecowschickens that’s absolutely messed up
I get most of this, but watching the analysis of the girl you said that if you allude to something and they interpret it as an accusation that is a sign of guilt. Well I can tell you that as someone with childhood trauma who was often accused of inaccurate intentions and actions, that background will cause the same reaction. Because that is exactly where my mind would go even if I was innocent. What it really shows is a lack of trust that the authority will find you innocent. Which could be because you're actually guilty, or it could be because you've been unfairly accused before and are very aware that it can happen again.
I feel that 💯
absolutely. there was a reason why she was there and she already knew it wasn't good. She doesn't trust the cops but she was going to give them one last chance to be above board when she answered and asked the politese of how are you? I'm well, thankyou.
Agreed. The power dynamics in the room would cause a lot of people to be anxious. On top of that, they literally have her physically cornered.
Thank you, it was EXACTLY what I wanted to point out
yeah it was a little careless of him to make that connection when he himself constantly brings up the fact that people who expect to not be believed exhibit the exact same characteristics as people intentionally lying thank you
9:37 just a side note, 3 police officers in one small room with a young female is a terrible interviewing technique. A competent lawyer could get any sort of confession thrown out on the grounds of intimidation. She didn't have a lawyer, there are 3 grown men all police officers in very close proximity. Thats literally the definition of intimidation.
I thought that too. All of her initial stress signals could be coming just from three grown men that close to her in a private room. Any woman would have her guard up.
@@ruckusrevolution9475 absolutely, innocent or guilty any women (and most men) would be intimidated im that situation. Any sort of confession she gives wouldn't be admissible at least during this one interview. I'm pretty sure she confesses later in a 1 on 1 interview as well but this interview is just very poorly done.
I agree. He kept bringing up how she was blocking her genital area and I thought that was just because she was alone in a small room with three men she didn't know.
@@jessicacharlton7347 I would be blocking my genitals as well. Without the audio you can't tell if this is about to be an interview or a porn video.
I just don't know who was in charge of this department and was like yeah all 3 of you go into that 6x6 room and loom over this young girl, she'll crack in no time.
@@jessicacharlton7347 I would have done the same thing, and cover my chest so they don't look down my shirt, just being uncomfortable with men.
I've worked with a variety of people with learning/intellectual disabilities as a lawyer - I'm seeing some people in the comments mentioning that Livers has an intellectual disability or something close to it, and I think that would definitely explain the strange behaviour. Many people overlook that people with intellectual disabilities can have fairly sophisticated conversation skills, but may have poor problem-solving abilities, poor judgment, etc. They are struggling to understand the consequences of what they are saying, but you may not know it just by looking.
I would like to take the opportunity to discuss the other end of the spectrun and point out that people with very high IQ can also come up as pretty strange when stressed, even when they usually display normal behaviour in no-stress situations. Many people with very high IQ have an ability to see more options/outcomes, especially of the negative kind as that is what helps discarding in mental selection processes. This is one of the reasons they tend to have such a hard time -and can be even slow- when making what for other people are straightforward decisions. This also can make them get stressed easily and earlier than other.
I deal with people with high capacities both personally and professionally, and unfortunately many people assume having a high IQ means you are full of behavioural quirks that are very apparent all the time. In my experience, most high capacity individuals can appear very ordinary in their interactions, but face social and mental challenges that pass completely amiss, even by most non-specialized professionals. Low stress threshold and difficulty in making "simple" choices are just but 2 of them. If one considers how it is not uncommon for people with very high IQs to have a history of being bullied or having to meet up higher expectations etc, their behaviour can appear even stranger when they get stressed in a social interaction.
it's also fairly obvious to mentally competent adults when these folks use idiomatic phrases, it's clear that they're parroting things they've heard & don't grasp concepts
Imo it's immortal to interrogate someone like this in a coercive manner, like virtually all PD interviews
@@mademoisellelagushka4693 if you're referring to people with high IQ who are on the spectrum, that reasoning is a little muddy--it's more about social interaction issues, not IQ, that leads to their stress. Importantly, MOST folks on the autism spectrum are avg IQ
There's no genetic/medical condition that make one 'smart' but easily stressed, bit of a stereotype
Also do you *really believe* our friend there was too high IQ, as tho that was his issue? I think not
You've just identified what's gotten in my way for so long! Because I can talk and write just fine, dress myself, interact with others in a (mostly) usual way, follow directions, learn new things - in other words I come across as perfectly 'normal' - people who matter (e.g. bosses) tend to dismiss, minimalize, or ignore my disability. Then when challenges arise (memory, planning, judgement, emotions....) that's attributed to my own choices and behaviour, without considering those things are an issue. And since my symptoms are severe but appear sporadic to others, they don't seem related to each other and add up over time.
Thank you for adding that context to my perception. It's pretty valuable. ✌️🍍
When Spidey was perplexed at Matt’s answer of “Nick Sampson” since it was so quick, I thought it looked like the easiest question he’d answered all day/night. He’s in an awful situation in which the only way to cooperate is to lie and, I think, he truly didn’t want to. Isn’t that a really disassociating thing to do to someone? We have no idea how many times he was coached through that statement, but when he says “right right” I think he means move on. They need him to say things aloud so he gives them the last statement with accompanying hand gesture like you’d throw something away; the line about how he shot the uncle. Then when they ask who he was with, and it seems like Matt’s face lights up. Thank God! I know this one.
Whew. I realize I created a ton of narrative. I just really wanted to share what I saw
The best example ever of the brain shutting down in fight or flight is the forensics guy.
Absolutely agreed. What a mess 😂
At one point his face just goes: "Why am I even trying, I can't think of anything, I resign"
I think some of Matt Livers' confusing signals could be related to his earlier experience of wanting to be a police officer. It was interesting that he mentioned it in the documentary and phrased it in a very distanced way that suggested he was still resentful or hurt, "it was thought...". I wonder if he wanted to join but failed one of the entry tests, leaving him with feeling of rejection and other emotions about it. I think he then took those feelings at the time into the police interview, and saying "I'm here to cooperate with you gentlemen" could be phrased to make himself feel like a respectful peer of these police or almost trying to prove something to himself. The documentary footage from later where he shook his head saying that he had wanted to help them might be disbelief and some disdain that now he looks back and thinks "wow I actually wanted to join the police and they rejected me and then they tried to FRAME me for double murder."
Wow. Nice
Adding to this perspective, I think he felt an insane amount of guilt for not being able to protect them. He didn't even know where the keys for his shotgun were. Probably made him feel useless and decided he was just as guilty so he was gonna falsely confess, but at the moment backed out until they forced him to commit to his original plan
I definitely saw a search for approval when he fingered his cousin too. He looked the interrogator right in the face, pause, “nick sampson” with a slight uptick in his demeanor when the interrogator accepts his answer.
I get the feeling the police provided the narrative before. " you blew their faces off, didn't you"?, might have been questions we didn't see. Then he just said what they wanted to hear.
Also in this vein and regarding the putting on of his jacket, he makes the statement about cooperation in response to the curtly delivered "This is considered a non-custodial interview. You're free to leave anytime." His tone, in reaction, is the first defensive response, "well I'm here to cooperate with you gentlemen." His sounds mildly sardonic bc he simultaneously realizes his folly and recognizes the dangerous position he's put himself in - whether guilty or innocent, he's sashayed into the lion's den, and sarcasm, no matter how clever, won't protect him. He reaches for his jacket the way one might reach behind oneself for a weapon wilst keeping one's eyes on the impinging danger, almost as though he's reading the room and finding a cold wall. He seems shocked. All of this together reads as authentic. He is actually afraid in that moment, I think, because it had never once occurred to him before that he might be considered a suspect. Why would it have?
Matt Livers: I think he was attempting to hide that he was glad to be rid of his relatives, and thus didn't care who did it, but he knew it was likely if he allowed that to show that he'd be thought guilty. So he overcompensated early, then slowly gave up, thinking they'd already decided his guilt and his cousin's. Jessica Reid: "I never killed anybody!" I believed her when she said she didn't do it--I believe Gregory did it as she watched. So she knows she's culpable, an accomplice, so it comes off as this weird combination of incredibly obvious guilt with some indicators of innocence. "And you're saying that me and Greg did it?" It's like she's telling herself, "that's technically not true, Greg pulled the trigger this time!"
I love the format you used here, entertaining and informative. I thought Jessica touching her purse could have been a FFF response, like she was thinking about grabbing her purse and fleeing. Love your channel!
Yep. Could very well be. Also right after the purse and her fake little “I’m happy to be here” display she gives the main detective an up and down glare like she’s sizing her opponent. Which is very common during fff so yeah! Absolutely
5 minutes in,forensic science guy lying..see if I'm right
What is fff? As many of your videos that I’ve watched I probably should know.
@@channelchen Didnt "friend" get added? I remember hearing something about that on the Behavior Pannel here on yt. Like part of their coping is to try to befriend the person causing their stress. A more manipulative way of dealing with the threat. Jessica was sort of doing that at the very beginning of her interview, with the big smiles and overly friendly greeting.
@@e.starling141 I believe you’re referring to the BHP adding faint. That’s for when the other methods wouldn’t work for you so you’d essentially play possum.
The forensic guy saying "I don't care about confessions" is a bad sign in a profession where you are looking for the truth. It looks to me like both him and the detective care more about saying "hey I did it on my own", than finding what actuality happened. The detective seemed so pissed that the couple was from Wisconsin, he spits out the word "Wisconsin".
This is absolutely bloody awesome!
I honestly didn't know this kind of stuff existed.
Such a measured and impartial break down.
This is the content I've been searching for.
Wow.
One the biggest problem that people face when learning about body language is lack of a proper test to evaluate themselves.
Thank you for making this video
It's really helpful 🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️
Forensics dude reminds me of Vicki Pollard "Yeah, but no, but yeah, but no I never, ohhh my god, that is well out of order, it's totally not even my fault" 😂
This made me lol you’re 100% correct 😂😂
The forensic guys speech... oh my gosh, he does break down sooo much. I didn’t know this case made him, but now that I know it I do not know why he would even have to think of what he found. My dad is a lawyer and has been working on the case for the last 17-ish years. I swear if I were to ask him anything about that case he would be able to rattle it off in so much detail that it would bore me even though I’m in a law class for my masters. I recently asked him about something the other side had done, and he answered it perfectly because it was such a big case that has made his career, end it has been burned into his brain do you use that wording. And the forensic guy is stumbling over his words and not answering the question about something that made his career. This makes no sense.
Also lavers did come off a little off to me as well. I saw the non-contractions but I think he was trying to emphasize that he did not do the murder but then with the Video for the show I don’t know he just seemed like he was lying to us
It annoyed me so much in Jessica’s interview she’s like “I’m good how are you.” If I had robbed people Or if I was being interrogated I wouldn’t be so casual “I’m good how are you.” Also, she immediately admits to robbing because she knows there is more to it. If all they did or know about was a robbery she would have tried to hide that.
Now for the dna guy. Wow. Stammering, answering the wrong question, admitting that evidence was likely planted and where it came from. Wow. He should be in jail. Worst liar ever 😂 doesn’t know what he found on the case he’s there to talk about, lip compression, blinking non stop, stammering and nonsense answer lol.
I never would have looked at what that cop was wearing, so interesting. Thanks so much for the great content
For Jessica, the best "alibi" is to admit to something illegal, immoral or very embarrassing, to deflect from what you actually did.
Kind of like a Defense Lawyer trying to defend a publicly hated person. "My defendant might be a slum lord, and a despicable person, but that doesn't mean he killed someone". Admit to something bad, and at the same time, SEPARATE that bad thing from the crime.
Those facial contractions at 5:24 had me laughing on the floor. “Oh, shit I fucked up” written right across his forehead😂
Maybe those two were already dead when those young people entered to rob the place. How would that change the situation?
Not to mention the fact that if you had an abusive childhood like mine where you kept being accused falsely and punished, you would also got that defensive stance immediately.
Totally agree about Jessica. Her cheerfulness was bizarre for a known thief. Her quick admission was completely suspicious. Her account of events also sus.
This is so intriguing to me as a mental health trauma counselor I love breaking things down and dissecting bx. I knew the two who were being blatantly deceptive almost immediately but did not have the vocabulary to describe why I thought so. This is right up my alley! I have always considered criminal psychology work. Thanks!!!
Did you really? Jessica reaction is consistent to a child accused of doing wrong things and unfairly punished and still you fail to recognize that. Those people become defensive right away, that's not abnormal in any way.
When she became shifty nervous when the officers sat down I actually felt the same fight or flight feeling. 3 huge men traps you into the corner and you're the only woman in there. If she has SA history that would be massively stressful and terrifying, but even without SA history the world is enough unsafe that 3 huge men trapping you is still really scary. I did sense that her denial already in the beginning felt preformative and when you mentioned some deceptive details it felt like it added up to what I felt from it. Very interesting video!
I agree, I initially felt for her and thought her stress clusters were because she felt trapped by three large men as a young woman in a room, and I would probably have reacted the same. But that fake shock when they told her the couple were shot solidified it for me.
Matt Livers has an IQ of 63. I think that would explain a lot about why he responded the way he did. The interrogation was inappropriate at best. I feel for Matt. I’m so glad he’s out and had his name cleared, seems like a really good guy. (IQ has very little to do with what makes a good human)
I was thinking he behaved? spoke? in a way that made me wonder if he had some type of cognitive deficit.
Where did you get that information or are you just guessing?
IQ is for sure part of the reason combined with his personality in general, how he was raises etc. He seems has having a high functional level despite his low IQ which is great for him in some way (he can have a job, family, etc) but his brain can't figure out how to succeed in situations like an interrogation. At the same time people around him won't even know and therefore see him as credible. Such a shame
When I was watching it, I told my husband that he appeared to be neurodivergent in some way- autism spectrum, or had some mental deficits. He came across as a well-meaning guy who was trying to be helpful, maybe felt guilty about any arguments or discord he had towards them before they died (which could explain some behavioral oddities). I felt bad for him and didn’t think his “confession” was real.
I really feel that you should go back and edit your video. Because Matt Livers with his diminished IQ, puts him at a serious disadvantage with these interrogators who are of normal IQ and will do anything to take advantage of a suspect. You can’t blame them for using all their tools. But when you’re using all your tools on someone who’s not on the same level you know someone who is On a third grade level is a serious problem. I watch the video again and when you point out the point about the shotgun I think you seriously wrong. Because he answers it just like a kid would who has a shotgun but it’s under his fathers control. So I’m with dad I use a shotgun under his supervision but I don’t know where he keeps the keys so I can access it whenever I want. This is how A kid would answer the question.
The "and then", being added, is surprising to learn about. Unlike some other things that seem easily understood, furrowed brow, verbal distancing, adding "and then" seems like a logical way to conclude a sequence of events. It's interesting to hear your definitive mannor in discussing that. Thank you!
The cousin, Nick Sampson, probably hung out with & watched out for this dude, their whole lives. He wasn’t “throwing his cousin under the bus” he was desperately involving someone who could get the two of them out of this mess - as he had his whole life. Just my opinion.
For Jessica: "I only remember..."
It's like a weird distancing phrase, I guess? It's not like she is accused of knocking over a lamp. "I don't remember knocking over a lamp. " makes sense. "I don't remember shooting two people" makes no sense.
That's a good observation!
I noticed this too.... Like it's not relying if you say you don't remember it because you might have just forgotten 🤣🤣🤣
It makes it less of a lie, i noticed that as a red flag as well
It’s so great how passionate you are about your field, really contagious. Great channel 👍
I felt like when that woman started crying immediately and said I don’t want to go to jail for it I didn’t do it. While covering her face. That felt off to me.
How are you doing? I love how you set up the new channel, I’ve been having fun showing these videos to my grandpa and he really enjoys them. It’s a lot of fun watching with him.
I’m so glad you and your grandpa are enjoying the content 😊
That's so sweet you watch with your Grandpa, glad you guys enjoy the same things. 🤗🤗
The way you explain things so a beginner can get it is really helpful 🙌🙌
I loved the format of this! It was helpful to get the opportunity to look at them all and try my analysis first before getting your thoughts. Also your reaction after Kofoed's part made me laugh! 😂
Glad you liked it Jenny! I’m digging this format too and might stick to it for future videos 😊. Haha Kofoed, what a guy
I am so glad you said over politeness is a sign of deception I've employed about 30 different people over the course of a couple of years and every time without fail the ones that constantly say yes sir no sir to me are the worst employees
I love the informal, yet informative format of this show. First one I've seen, as I came from your magic channel.
You explain things so well, you go back to the video, point out specific movement and verbal patterns and what they could mean when grouped together. I'll be going back and watching all your previous videos.
Thank you so much, and best wishes.
P.S. I just really like you..both as a magician and as an analyst. 😊👍
Thanks so much for the kind words. Really encouraging! 😊
This is such an amazing video! I really love the format and Spidey offers an unbias and informative insight into what we're see. This is the sort of content UA-cam was made for!
Thanks so much 🤗
These videos are great!! The best thing I have found on YT in a very long while.
Thank you so much ❤️
This was a great exercise. My gut feelings about who was deceptive and who wasn't lined up with what your analysis. Matt: At the very beginning he sensed he was a suspect. Putting on the coat, leaning inward and closing his posture. He was getting ready so to speak. Very open, direct posturing when denying the crime. I think the fingers to the forehead was an indicator of stress and desperately trying to make sense of and tackle the allegation. I noticed that he had a moment's pause before saying his cousin's name. Then when he said it, it was a very clear, clipped inflection with a change in cadence. He felt he had to answer, and the one he was closest to was the first name that popped into his head. The forensic guy? All the stammering, eyes blinking at breakneck speed, and those palms flat on the table. Like a deer in headlights. LOL The interrogator was completely convinced of his own truth, he was only deceiving himself; no one else. Finally, Jessica? She went defensive almost immediately. Covering her face/eyes, closing in her posture, and so many other small signals. It was obvious to me that she was completely deceptive.
He knows he is innocent and has nothing to hide. (He even enthusiasticly asked to assist with the case) so when he realized that this interrogation was going nowhere and the only aimed was to get him to confess, he got extremely annoyed and frustrated by the incessant rootless accusations to the point his brain tells him to just bring someone along to relieve him from this farcical mess, preferably someone close and equally suspicious in order to share his feelings of despair and grievance.
There are people that want to be involved in the case, though, so that isn't an automatic innocence factor.
Nailed it first time around. Second viewing of all of it confirmed and reinforced all the things I thought initially. It is awesome to have things analyzed so thoroughly. Helps bring it from subconscious to the forefront of the mind. Basically, it is nice to know clearly what I suspect. Would love to do more of these.
I'm learning so much. So nice of you to share your knowledge at no charge.
It’s a pleasure. I’m so glad you’re enjoying it!
A brilliant lesson. I am hooked. I am an big fan of your clips now. Thank you kindly!
I've been binge watching your videos and forgetting to thumbs up because I'm appearantly on a mission to become an expert by tonight 😆 thank you
I recently found your channel and love it. After seeing some of your videos this is my first comment. With the girl you pretty much destroyed her act. Although the first part when investigators get in the room. I think there is plenty of justifications for her actions even if she did not killed.
Like she new she rober. So being nervous understandable. And all the protective nervous behavior could be explained by being along in an interrogation room with 3 men. Reason to protect her genitalia, keep things in between as a blockade, I think it is psicologicaly aggressive.
Now when they start talking about the murder she doomed nothing can save her
I wish you had been in the court room when my sister and I went to court against each other. She filed for legal guardianship for our mother who had dementia but she only did it to try and make my life miserable. I had POA for my mother at the time.
My sister was wearing a disguise of all things. She had on a black wig (we are redheads) and was dressed as if she was going to a dance club later on that evening. Lots of bling which in my opinion was very wrong for a courtroom setting. I was dressed in a plain but nice blouse and black pants.
My sister also had a huge metallic silver purse/bag and a headband to match. She brought with her a red handcart that had several clear plastic bins on it she would later blog that were full of 'evidence' against me.
Later on I learned that my sister had told our cousin that she, my sister, wore the wig so I wouldn't recognize her. Lol. Yes she is insane. I won the legal guardianship.
I would love to know why someone like my sister would come to a court hearing dressed like a crazy person.
Cause, you know... No disrespect or anything, but maybe because she is a crazy person. From what I've read. 🥴🤭
Or maybe she never actually intended to get custody, just to get back at you for some reason? Just a thought.
Sorry you had to go through all of that.
@@DawnDavidson If you are replying to me then you are correct. My sister is delusional and believed that our mother could continue to live in her house alone. My sister didn't want me to have guardianship for our mom simply because my sister and I can't stand each other.
@@JuditaHoffman. If you were replying to me, you are correct. My sister IS a crazy person and has been for a very long time.
I love the chance you give us to put down our initial thoughts. Mine have gotten more accurate because I’m binging these videos. I love the other channels that show this kind of thing, however your videos have really helped me focus in on actual behaviors and, that I’m looking for clusters of behaviors and I need to withhold my judgment because otherwise I try to fit what they are doing into my narrative. Nice work, Spidey. Nobody’s been able to keep me from withholding judgment like you have! 😀
I would love to see more videos like this: “Spot the liar!” Love your channel.
Jessica also demonstrates the “fawn” fear response when the interrogators come in the room. She tries to appease them by acting submissive (can I move for you?).
Yeah good call. I would assume this has served her well in the past to manipulate people and so it’s become a habit for her.
@@TheBehavioralArts 💯
Ye, what gave her guilt away to me, was the total lack of shock or surprise to hear that the people whose house she had stolen money from, had been found brutally murdered in their bed.. Coincidentally the same day she had burgled them?? Any possibility that she was innocent, completely vanished from that moment!
Prior to time on video 8:19. At the very beginning of Jessica's interview. The detectives enter the room and Jessica is pulling away from them. She even offers to move over, even though there really is no room for her to do this. "Wanna get away?" She sure did! 😂
Exactly. There's nowhere for her to move to. It's as if she said it to try and be funny and lighten up the mood.
When the girl said, "and then we just left", it felt she knew something else happened and she was creating an alibi, and then when she said "that's all i remember" it seemed to not jive with her specific steal and leave story. She was saying she knew they stole and just left. And then when she said "I've never killed anybody" i KNEW she was guilty. All it was missing was the word before - "I've never killed anybody...before". It's really interesting watching this a year after finding your channel, I felt so prepared for the test! There are so many other things I picked up the first time through watching all of them. Your teachings are sticking!
This was another brilliant video. I think I'm going to need to start noting this all down, because their is so much information. Your a true master of the art.
Ah yes! I caught the "I" Jessica Reid used too! It allowed a half-truth statement.
I would want to see Matt's full interrogation. The "blew them away" phrasing came off as if they weren't his own words. I would bet the cops used that phrase first at some point
Found you through Legal Bytes. Going back through your videos and I will definitely be sticking around. Your content is so fascinating!
I love the way you give great analogies for easy comparison of behavioral analysis 👏🏽
thankyou Spidey for another awesome video i really enjoyed this video and its has become one of my main channels to keep a watch out for new content. there is a clip where an officer broke down with his answer about DNA being found and i absolutely agree with every word you said about not needing to explain, it was so clear it was a lie to me. Also i just want to ask you a personal question, have you ever thought about working officially with a department on interrogation's to help the authority get answers on the suspects ? Besides that i hope you are well and looking forward to the next video :)
Glad you enjoyed it. I’ve done a lot of interview consulting but not interrogation because 1) it’s a dangerous profession and I don’t want that for my family 2) I don’t want the pressure of decisions that are that important. 😊
Spidey, If I ran an intelligence agency, I would want to hire you.
If I worked for one, I’d be learning from your channel.
I love this channel, but I find it troubling that in some vids it is not emphasized (or even brought up sometimes) that people who have high levels of anxiety about being falsely accused often display a lot of the same 'tells' as those who are deceitful it's an incredibly important point to make.
I love your videos so much!! Can’t wait for more!
I love your voice and I dig stories like this. Voice is important. I’m lying in my relaxing. I need a soft intelligent voice.
I wonder if Jessica's extreme wrist curling posture could be related to the flexion our bodies undergo when panic brings us to a fetal position. You can see this in postures taken by people with autism and others when stress reaches a panic state. They can even make gestures that reach the point of self harm with their hands curled in, as panic controls their physical reactions. If so this particular gesture in cluster could be seen as a point of adrenalin spike in the subject.
I'd love to watch your show on Netfix. Is it The Confession Tapes? You are so clear and easy to understand. I've watched another group of experts who presume you know all kinds of things and don't bother to explain. But you do explain very well and are helping me to build on each video of yours I watch. Thank you!
Thanks so much. 😊. The Netflix show I’m on is called Brainchild. It’s an educational show for teens and I’m the psychology expert in the episodes titled motivation, thinking and memories
Great format allowing us to analyze first and then have you confirm our notes for us. Another great lesson, thanks!
My favorite part of this video is when you try to keep from bursting out laughing, Spidey!
Great video! Thanks! I am trying to do my own analysis, however I am relatively new to this and the only background I have is being a poker pro. Will share some of the things I saw based on watching the footage only once and analyzing only the nephew and Jessica and then will watch the rest of your video and re-watch the tapes as well
1. Nephew Matt
- Hands on head maybe because of being baffled of the officer's accusations or high stress and trying to pacify himself by rubbing his forehead
- Crossed legs maybe a sign of feeling comfortable. Might be read as "not guilty" type of tell
- Stopping eye contact after question, but instantly answers - I have no clue what this might mean, but it got my attention
2. Jessica
- Using the hair gesture in the beginning - “Oh I am just a girl”. It's most likely behavior that has helped her through her life communicating with others and now trying to "win" some friends on her side :)
- Baseline - uses a lot of hand gestures, so when I look at it 2nd time I will be observing for situations where she breaks the base if any
- When told about the murders she doesn't react like genuine shock, more like staged one
- I didn’t kill anyone - avoiding the names. I believe you said this is psychological distancing in one of your previous videos
Thanks again for all you do!
There is something that is emphasized as extremely important not to do when talking 911 calls for centers with IAEMD Certification and that is not asking leading questions when clarifying information, typically avoiding things that can be answered with simple Yes or Nos or ending with Right? As this does lead to people answering in the positive or going along with what you are saying as either not paying attention or pressure/stress of the situation and wanting to comply with “Authority”.
This is so that we get as acurate information as possible and keep the caller engaged with the call and our questions. Usually ending with is this correct, or i just want to ensure i heard you correctly, please repeat what you said, or other open ended clarifying questions.
What strikes me as off putting with the questioning is the not only the aggressiveness but the especially at 33:59 the questioning taking one step at a time of you did this right? You did this right? Like leading a drugged donkey on a leash is what it struck me as
I suffer from a severe mental health disability and when in therapy or when I am trying to explain my illness to professionals who insist on knowing the details and I don't want to tell them as its very humiliating. I believe that I display many of these behaviours but its not deception its a way to talk about it without going to that dangerous place in my mind to avoid triggering a full blown psychotic break. i also tend to get overwhelmed, humiliated so become defensive when I know they don't believe me or view me as pathetic or just crazy so not an equal so i say that and stomp off in hysterics. I recognised those behaviours in her but somehow her panic didn't seem to be about her innocence but about being caught out. Could you possibly to a programme highlighted how mental health issues seem to mirror deception and how to separate the two. I for sure block my eyes, mouth and whole face when I am triggered
I'm still learning. Enjoyed your training. Keep it coming !
Interesting case. Amazing how a person who is cooperating in a non custodial interrogation is being put into jail for some time. So if you see only that clip it feels like he can be the convict. He is using kind of reverse psychology to straight up come for help, feel confident and then say that his cousin was also involved.
But then watching other clips, it feels like an innocent Mathew was put into jail for no reason for some time. Also you can say that it is Matthew fault as well as to why he is false confessing confidently and taking his name of cousin?
Yeah that’s what I’m saying. Like poor guy yeah but there’s some odd behaviors there.
Thanks Spidey, this is such an interesting topic to me. Just wanted to say that it seemed like a great opportunity was missed during the confession of the family member. When he finally broke, he gave vague descriptions of the murders that anybody could of guessed. At that time, asking about specific things that happened that only the killer would know would of either proved the case or suggested it was a false confession. Why not ask in what room did the murder occur and where in the room were you standing? Was the victim facing you or running away? If the evidence matched the confession, it would of been very convincing to a jury.
Because unfortunately some of them probably just want the case to be closed and get their paychecks. Otherwise why not be clearer about making sure you have the actual murderer.
Because their goal was to get a confession, not to get the truth, which takes a lot more effort!
Loved this video and appreciated the chance to test my skills. Thank you.
Loved the video ! Thank you for sharing ! It helped a lot
Great channel, I really enjoyed the content. Some questions I have about the young couple, Jessica and Greg.. Was there any footage of his interrogation? 2. Who has been sentenced for these horrible murders?
Obviously, I'm not familiar with this case and haven't seen the netflix show that you referred to. I can check into it myself later... but since I'm here, thought I'd ask you. TY for your time.
He really didn’t cooperate much but there was one really really great tell in his very brief interrogation where as he was describing their trip he said “and we ended up in… that state.” He was of course referring to Nebraska, the state in which the murders occurred. Talk about psychological distancing!!! 🙄
Both Jessica and Greg are still in jail serving life sentences. Matt and Nick were released less than a year after their sentence with a very hefty monetary compensation.
Oh, this is so tragic. Such a sweet couple in the most vulnerable place, asleep in their beds, in a home they felt safe in. It's mind-blowing just to know there's psychopathic killers in the world. Thank you so much for your reply and all the info.
Maybe he gave his cousins name as a last ditch effort thinking his cousin could be the one to get him out of this mess. *(With the cousins alibi.)
Good call. Like his mind grasping for comfort
your videos are developing my intuition so much! thank you!
I really enjoy your analysis but more importantly, how you want to teach and review what your viewers have to say. It's almost you are teacher grading papers. The video was also very well put together.
I loved this video! thank you so much for your work! Yes I think the girl was lying because she knew her boyfriend had done it, not because she killed them. The interrogator simply can't (or doesn't want to) recognize they did a mistake, the CSI guy ... unbelievable! so funny, even if these were two answers.. The niece Matthew.. I agree completely, his behaviour is odd and confusing, now and before, but what I found almost terrifying is the way he moves his head, looks at the police and says the name of his cousin, very loud, almost defiant, I don't think he was looking for comfort, there is something else..
Yeah I honestly don’t know what’s happening with Matthew he is neither coming off as very innocent or very guilty 🤔
@@TheBehavioralArts I just read an article about the case , it says that Matthew has "borderline mental disability". Could it be the reason for the odd behaviour?
@@mirtacamara3653 yes. 100000% makes sense. His behaviors are just “odd”
It may be just a personal bias on my part, but when I hear someone say, "I swear to God I didn't do it" I immediately conclude they are probably guilty. I remember when Susan Smith murdered her two little boys and during interviews before the truth came out she was told that some people thought SHE did something to them and she was asked "How do you respond to that". Her answer was "God knows I'm innocent". Really? Okay, case closed. GOD knows she didn't do it so we might as well all go home. She's innocent.
My family and I love to watch you. You are very talented and helpful!
I really liked this video. I hope you do more like this! Thank you!
Super interesting video. I picked up on Jessica's assuming accusation and I noticed the wrist hiding, as well as Davids lip compression, but I definitely should have noticed a few more things. With David, firstly he is hesitating a lot, and also we see the assumed accusation as well, as noone asked him if he planted evidence. He answered around a billion different questions that he wasn't asked as if he had all the answers prepared and was desperate to explain himself.
Yeah lol. His brain basically exploded like mine did when you showed me that Rubik’s cube trick. Same exact result haha
@@TheBehavioralArts 😂😂😂 just like when I saw the trailer for Absee and found out that it wasn't a marked deck
@@joseph.westbury hehehe
Hey Spidey, great video so far. I'm pretty sure I missed a lot even after rewatching this.
Of the first suspect, the cousin. There were a few things I spotted.
-wanted to be a officer so helped them out. Not because his uncle/aunt where shot.
-I'm here to coöperate. Why do you want to say that besides to frame them to think you're innocent.
-When he heard that he may leave whenever he wants he immidietly puts his jacket om, why?
-the first time they tell him he murdered them, he said I diddn't its only at the second time that he uses did not.
David:
-At first he diddn't even remember what he found.
-he diddn't know how the evidence got there in other words he knew it suddently got there.
-I diddn't plant the evidence. So he admits it was planted there
-after saying bio hazzard room both lip compression and looking away.
Jessica:
-Enters pretty nervous. Playing with both the etui and her hair.
-After mentioning the money... but yeah I remember we just left. It looks a lot like i'm confessing to this smaller crime to hide the bigger.
-overreacts after hearing about the murder.
The officer:
I diddn't spot much on him.
My guess is that he is eighter very convinced about his conclussion back than, or he is genuine believing that they accually believe they did it.
A third option is that he planted the evidence and diddn't want to be helt accountable so keeps framing the same persons.
Conclussion
If i have to make a guess based on the clips I saw than the first thing thay would bother me is that the blood wasn't found the first time, the evidence would have been planted and who else would've done it but the one that gave the order to do a seccond search.
The teenage couple who was interrigated are at leasy guilty of more that they confessed for. And the cousin diddn't care (much) about the death of his uncle/aunt.
Dude!!!! You are improving SOOOOOOO MUCH! This was honestly a terrific analysis. I’m fact I really don’t disagree with any of it 😊 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻
@@TheBehavioralArts thx Spidey, I have a great teacher 😉.
I just want to say that I really enjoy the structure of these video's. It really lets you think a lot about the stuff you seeing and respond on that before the lesson starts.
@@zwelgje4798 thanks man 😊 glad you’re enjoying it
Problem is there are so many that are capable of lying. And getting away with it . This is just outstanding.
That was a lot of fun, thank you! I love learning about human behavior, it's fascinating.
That was a Fun Exercise ---- I was pretty sure I spotted deception in Mathew Livers and I was pretty sure I spotted no deception in Earl Shenck. Maybe, that was why in my brain I was convinced that Jessica Reid was NOT being deceptive, so I spotted none in her at the beginning. Classic Body language analysis mistake, I guess.
Kofoed reminds me so much of another popular character and our dear friend Faizel (WHO IS HILARIOUS!)
Apart from a weird resume sentence, verbal leaks, non-answering question, taking a simple question as an accusation, lip compressions, I felt the best moment when in the end he just gave up, shoulder, eyes, energy all went down and at that point, it felt, even he knew I messed up so bad.
Hahahahahahah yeah. That giving up moment was hilarious. I should some say do a deception Olympics on the channel Kofoed and Faizel are hilarious.
I love the lesson you got here in analysis. Always always be objective. One persons guilt doesn’t make someone else innocent. I do agree that Matt was sketchy but we have to start with Jessica with a blank slate.
I’ll make this separate so I don’t end up with a novella as a comment. And more comments! I think Kofoed’s word blender of an answer is him constructing a lie out loud. Scott And Greg from TBP talk about the 3 stages of a lie and constructing it is one of the steps. I think Kofoed likes the sound of his own voice and he’s The Man, so he tries to answer right away like, “this it how it happened, honey.” That’s just what I imagine went through his head. Then he started speaking, realized oh crap, then tried to construct as he went only out loud instead of constructing it in his head before he talked. I guess to sum up, it was an oh crap moment from an arrogant guy who doesn’t know when to shut up and it came out like his sentences were put in a blender before he spat them out.
Yeah. Speaking of Greg this is just the funniest example of chaff and redirect. Like he doesn’t even get to the redirect, just chaff and chaff looolll
@@TheBehavioralArts yes! Oh man, the chaff hadn’t even clicked for me. I think Greg would probably laugh himself off a chair watching that clip. I know I almost did. Haha
@@brianware8934 I’m going to send it to Chase to show Greg lol. I want Greg to come up with a new principle “Chaff and Chaff” © 2022
@@TheBehavioralArts lol maybe they’ll make it a t-shirt. I’m sure Chase will get a kick out of it too. That clip is just….there are no words. Except chaff and chaff. 🤣
Heya. How do you know that’s what this was? I’ve heard it explained on the panel. I’d love to hear your explanation. To me, it looked like he got stuck because he does not know how to redirect our attention. It honestly looks like you display some of the same behaviors when you say there’s too much there to even go through. He looks to me like he can’t decide what track to go down, but I can’t tell if that because there are so many legitimate things he wants to bring up or if he lying completely. Don’t get me wrong. I saw it and I loved your reactions to him. I just wanted to figure out how you got to chaff and redirect.
I love how youre teaching us!! Love Love Love it!
Fantastic! Very good points
Sure seems like a forced confession … interrogators of Mathew used some harsh, improper methods.
Biggest, obvious liar to me was the forensic guy’s interview. Very funny, unfortunately.
Spidey, your analysis and points on deception and profiling were very informative … I took many notes and watched the video many times … thank you
Thanks so much Dave. I agree with you, Kofoed just fell apart and the interrogators had no idea what they were doing.
So I tend to do a lot of these things because I am super insecure when speaking or when uncomfortable or feel defeated or helpless for example which has nothing to do with lying or being in the wrong. how do you differentiate people simply wanting to self soothe/be comforted during a scary very frightening situation such as being around police and/or being interrogated and those lying? I feel using gestures that one may resort to naturally is a slippery slope and not necessarily fair. Can you elaborate on this? And I want to add I understand there are more obvious indications as seen with the gentleman who supposedly planted evidence
It’s simple. Baseline. If you go to the part of the interview where she’s just answering questions about her day to day life, we see a completely different energy. Straight answers, normal tone, almost no fidgeting. If I saw nervous gestures in you before the guilty questions began, those gestures would be ignored once the interrogation started.
I am on the spectrum and have horrible social anxiety. I have problems looking people in the eye when I’m speaking. I speak ridiculously slowly when I’m anxious or tired or stressed and there’s a million “ums” and “ya knows.” I’m sure people think I’m lying constantly. But. Because of this it’s easy for me to pick up a baseline of others who have the same ticks. So when someone DOESNT and then all of a sudden does, it’s pretty telling.
I think about this too. I had therapy this week and was self conscious of every time I brushed my hair back while taking about my trauma, but I couldn't stop doing it. And I do regularly touch my hair, but not every 30 seconds like I did in therapy, so my baseline would be different. I think there's a significant overlap between lying gestures and the gestures we make when we're uncomfortable or afraid because of the subject matter or situation.
@@hueyandmo that’s why not only do you look for a baseline but you look for clusters. One or two of theses gestures doesn’t indicate deception but several at the same time or w/i seconds of each other does indicate deception. It’s also why it’s not an exact science. All the things y’all said has to be taken into consideration. 😊
@@TheBehavioralArts So how does one establish a baseline for stressed reactions during calm conversation? Did the interrogator cause stress that is unrelated and observe...?
That forensics guy. Your initial between video reaction was priceless. Im not very good yet but omg that was like a lil kid trying to say the dog maybe ate my homework i think🤣 made me laugh
Oooh what a neat format
Okay, this is an awesome format. I don’t have to find random UA-cam videos to practice and hope I’m right. If you could do more of these on occasion, that would be awesome. I’m loving the channel so far. Keep up the great work Spidey! Oh, and I missed Jessica’s change in pronouns. I’m not quite up to where I can watch and listen at the same time yet. I was more watching than listening and missed the pronoun switch. 🤷🏻♂️ just need more time.
It’s normal to focus on one or the other 😊 I have to watch these a few times each as well. Glad you enjoyed this!!!
It astounds me that every time I talk to a lawyer (prosecution or defence) or police about false convictions and innocents being given a guilty verdict they say it never happens, or they'd prefer an innocent was in jail than a guilty party went free. As someone who studied psychology at A level, I have met people who were falsely convicted as well as good people who were correctly convicted, and psychologists I've spoken to are always able to cite examples of false convictions and tell me how awful it is. Just judging from how lawyers and police think about the issue, I'm absolutely convinced that it happens way more often than we know about.
It surprises me that you're hearing that from defence lawyers - many aspects of criminal law across common law jurisdictions are set up around the "Golden rule" of the presumption of innocence: we have the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard for the prosecution to meet specifically because the law prefers a guilty person to go free rather than an innocent person be imprisoned. At the same time, on a human level, I understand why some people unfortunately feel safer having guilty parties go to jail even if a few innocent people are unjustly imprisoned.
Ha ha that forensic guy sounds like me after a bad migraine!
The last guy I really feel for, I have seen this kind of behaviour in people with mental health problems. Love these videos!
The Forensic guy said " I didn't plant evidence." That's what caught my eye.
Excellent presentation. Liked and subscribed and learned I missed my calling.
Love your videos! Thank you!
Lol so true! The forensics guy completely gave up on the lie, like he tapped out mid-lie. Gr8 call on the blinking and lip compressions. I wondered if the blinking had to do with a condition or something at first, but pointing out the timing of the increases made it super clear for me, thank you. Super interesting to observe a potentially false confession too. I feel like false confessions are very interesting, and viewing them through the lense of deceptive behavior adds another layer. Really fun and fascinating content
The forensic guy having the most almighty verbal cluster if ever seen ...... interesting.
Can't wait to go through all of this now!
Pls more of this kind of videos, amazing!
I love those panic moments when people just fall to pieces and jumble out garage words + actions, especially when they unprovoked. It’s so guilty !!
“Hi so you were at the house..”
“I DIDNT KILL ANYONE!
“Ok...”
I love it when you do this kind of video. It's fun.
So good thanks! Hope justice catches up with them
I honestly love your videos and what you do. Great format, I love (LOVE!!) the content and you as a person in general. Did someone figure out what that RAMS logo was exactly? I'm curious but I lack the courage needed to go through 797 comments. Haha thanks!
Oh, "honestly" is part of my baseline!
Just found this channel....dude your awesome!!
I love that I first can try to figger it out, and after that you tell what you think
You are my new youtube addiction.