If you are interested, I just received a case of Raveneau Chablis and 3 magnum Petit Chablis, would happily sell one of the bottles and ship it for the price I paid.
Great wrap up. I used to live in Melbourne and don’t often feel bad for you Australians, but the prices you have to pay for some of these Natural /modern Icons are pretty wild, not even considering that the bottle might very well be transport damaged. Will think about this now when winter is coming to Berlin and all my Aussie mates are outdoors partying - at least I can smash some killer Jura at absolute bargain prices 😎
I have enjoyed hunting for wine character rather than specific labeling, e.g., lower tier wines from high quality producers, regions and styles with lower demand, and even aged bottles that were underappreciated on release. I still get duds, but it's not fair to judge a wine if the bottle is flawed, and at $20-30, I can easily grab a second bottle to find out!
I was in Ampuis recently and tasted Guigal’s 2017 single vineyard trilogy (“La…”) wines. I had to stump up about AUD300 for the privilege. The hype meant that my expectations were extremely high and, tbh, I’ve had many more enjoyable tastings with more affordable bottles. Still, I walked the vineyards and tasted the wines, so it’s in my memory fwiw. Thanks, Noah.
I'm a fan of the mid range Penfolds. St Henri, RWT and 389. You just have to give it a decant and 10 years or so. But I do love the local Tassie offerings as well. Best thing here is great wineries are anywhere from 10min to 3hrs away. Love your stuff.🎉
@wineforthepeople I live in Launceston Tasmania. I'm fortunate enough to have access to some great wineries just in my local area. And it's not just all Pinot 😜. Thanks for your great content.
Noah, if you guys are ever in Norway Ill wine and dine you as a gift for enjoying all your content these past years 😊 Reckon I can dig up some of those iconic wines for you!
In 2012-13 I had the chance to try a 1980 Dom Perignon. It was amazing and was just a stunning white burgandy after the CO2 dissipated (which happened quickly). Would always recommend top dollar champagne if you can afford it, I don't think you can miss.
Another thing you are paying for when it comes to well known expensive wines is that you are buying the ability to tell other people about it. "Yeah I had the 2016 Latour" or whatever, and the other wine geeks go "Ooohh". For some people that is worth paying for, and it is something that you carry with you for the rest of your life.
My hype wine experience was with a Raveneau Clos 2020. And honestly worth the hype... if you can get it at a reasonable price. WJM has the average price of the magnum we brought at 5k and we payed a tenth of that
Well said. Burgundy can be amazing for sure, but possibly the worst value for money proposition on the market . Ridiculous prices for even regional level wines.
As in will become too expensive? Hard to say. Probably everything! I just hope Spain stays as it is for a while, you can get some absolutely cranking wines for great value still!
totally agree that these hype wines can be a total crapshoot. Ive had, on other peoples generosity, Margaux 81 (dead) and Latour 82 magnum (kinda boring) that were totally outclassed by an 82 gruard larose at 1/10th the price. Is it bottle variation? sub perception threshold TCA? No idea, I wont ever get a chance to try those wines again! I've had inexpensive bottles of old Barolo (58 borgogno) that drank better than some much more expensive names (roberto vierzo brunate 2001). Thankfully here in Europe its much easier to source some of this stuff than it is back in Aus. For what its worth, my go to for big names that deliver on quality is Vat 1. A library release with a couple of extra years in the cellar is such a joy.
@@wineforthepeople I genuinely think its a massively slept on wine that will get its dues in the future! Regarding the other wines - thankfully you can find some really cool stuff inexpensively here in Europe. The 58 borgogno was just 180 aud. If you guys ever pass through Berlin feel free to hit me up and Ill find some nice bottles to crack open.
It's all about great marketing, you pay for a story. The wine itself is just a small part of the price. Just like a designer bag for 10 000+ $. For some people it's pennies and for others its worth spending a months salary for bragging rights on social media
very well put man. Its all about making friends who enjoy wine and are willing to split a mystical bottle. Some are insane, some are.....ok
100%
Why I'm a huge fan of Wendouree, hype wine that doesn't break the bank... It's just bloody hard to get!
100% facts!
If you are interested, I just received a case of Raveneau Chablis and 3 magnum Petit Chablis, would happily sell one of the bottles and ship it for the price I paid.
Ooooft! Or - we can come to your house and raid the cellar?
Come to Singapore, can open some old-school hype wines for you guys
Oh you just missed Noah! He was there last week!
@@wineforthepeople damn! Next time then
Great wrap up. I used to live in Melbourne and don’t often feel bad for you Australians, but the prices you have to pay for some of these Natural /modern Icons are pretty wild, not even considering that the bottle might very well be transport damaged. Will think about this now when winter is coming to Berlin and all my Aussie mates are outdoors partying - at least I can smash some killer Jura at absolute bargain prices 😎
They are pretty far-fetched huh?! I'd be buying up as much Jura as possible right now!
I have enjoyed hunting for wine character rather than specific labeling, e.g., lower tier wines from high quality producers, regions and styles with lower demand, and even aged bottles that were underappreciated on release. I still get duds, but it's not fair to judge a wine if the bottle is flawed, and at $20-30, I can easily grab a second bottle to find out!
100% Agree with this strategy!
I was in Ampuis recently and tasted Guigal’s 2017 single vineyard trilogy (“La…”) wines. I had to stump up about AUD300 for the privilege. The hype meant that my expectations were extremely high and, tbh, I’ve had many more enjoyable tastings with more affordable bottles. Still, I walked the vineyards and tasted the wines, so it’s in my memory fwiw. Thanks, Noah.
No way! But at least you got to try them insitu right?! At least you didn't need to stump up the whole amount to buy all three of the wines.
I'm a fan of the mid range Penfolds. St Henri, RWT and 389.
You just have to give it a decant and 10 years or so.
But I do love the local Tassie offerings as well.
Best thing here is great wineries are anywhere from 10min to 3hrs away.
Love your stuff.🎉
We're fans of them too! Pretty darn good value - but also: the 311 Chard - amazing! Where are you based?
@wineforthepeople
I live in Launceston Tasmania. I'm fortunate enough to have access to some great wineries just in my local area. And it's not just all Pinot 😜.
Thanks for your great content.
Noah, if you guys are ever in Norway Ill wine and dine you as a gift for enjoying all your content these past years 😊 Reckon I can dig up some of those iconic wines for you!
“Dig up,” ……. what have you got buried in your back yard .
@@Guidosvinos I must have misunderstood what is meant by cellaring wine underground 😬
You're the absolute best!!!
Haha!
LOL
Something closer to home, how the Birdwood Fiano and the Gumeracha Nebbiolo compare as a hype/fine wine?
Hmm I'm not sure they're hype wines? No rappers talking them up, or people tripping over themselves to get them!
In 2012-13 I had the chance to try a 1980 Dom Perignon. It was amazing and was just a stunning white burgandy after the CO2 dissipated (which happened quickly). Would always recommend top dollar champagne if you can afford it, I don't think you can miss.
Yeah - top end Champagne is wonderous!
Another thing you are paying for when it comes to well known expensive wines is that you are buying the ability to tell other people about it. "Yeah I had the 2016 Latour" or whatever, and the other wine geeks go "Ooohh". For some people that is worth paying for, and it is something that you carry with you for the rest of your life.
This is a really good point - effectively: ego.
My hype wine experience was with a Raveneau Clos 2020. And honestly worth the hype... if you can get it at a reasonable price. WJM has the average price of the magnum we brought at 5k and we payed a tenth of that
Should have kept it for a bit longer...
Ooooft!
Just a bit!
Well said. Burgundy can be amazing for sure, but possibly the worst value for money proposition on the market . Ridiculous prices for even regional level wines.
At the moment, this is true - what do you think will kick off next?
As in will become too expensive? Hard to say. Probably everything! I just hope Spain stays as it is for a while, you can get some absolutely cranking wines for great value still!
My first Giaconda Chardy was that hype wine I wanted for years and really over delivered
Yep still remember it was the thing that blew my mind and have been chasing since ...
Giaconda has a tendency of doing that!
Cool!!!
I thought this episode was going to be Noah tasting some 1968 Grange and be like, 2/10! 1999 DRC? 3/10! 1985 Cheval Blanc? 0/10!
totally agree that these hype wines can be a total crapshoot. Ive had, on other peoples generosity, Margaux 81 (dead) and Latour 82 magnum (kinda boring) that were totally outclassed by an 82 gruard larose at 1/10th the price. Is it bottle variation? sub perception threshold TCA? No idea, I wont ever get a chance to try those wines again!
I've had inexpensive bottles of old Barolo (58 borgogno) that drank better than some much more expensive names (roberto vierzo brunate 2001). Thankfully here in Europe its much easier to source some of this stuff than it is back in Aus.
For what its worth, my go to for big names that deliver on quality is Vat 1. A library release with a couple of extra years in the cellar is such a joy.
Mate - after name-dropping all those labels - to land back on Vat 1 is astounding!
@@wineforthepeople I genuinely think its a massively slept on wine that will get its dues in the future! Regarding the other wines - thankfully you can find some really cool stuff inexpensively here in Europe. The 58 borgogno was just 180 aud. If you guys ever pass through Berlin feel free to hit me up and Ill find some nice bottles to crack open.
It's always been a bit of a sleeper - that's an insane price for that wine! Definitely Berlin is a spot we all wanna head to someday!
Ok you win still thinks the discord people are annoying. Australian chenin Blanc is cheep but my god it’s good❤
Haha! Hell yeah it is!
It's all about great marketing, you pay for a story. The wine itself is just a small part of the price. Just like a designer bag for 10 000+ $. For some people it's pennies and for others its worth spending a months salary for bragging rights on social media
Totally fair. It behaves much like a luxury good!
3:12 who’s this natural wine producer going to the next level disguising themself as a cow?
Cru of Beaujolais, Moolin-a-Vent
Haha! Love this.
Yep!
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Loved.