Finally after 4 years a free 5* selector 😅 I still don't have Tighnari so I'll probably choose him. Who are you planning to choose? If you have any thoughts about my standard character ranking, you can join my discord to discuss about it :) (it's relatively new so you can chill and hang out too): discord.gg/wNe2dErP
Tighnari is Meta because A he's very easy & cheap to build, aimbot charge attacks that get ridiculous at higher cons and in terms of single target dmg he hits almostas hard & in some niche scenarios even harder I dare say Tighnari IS a Male "Fluffy" Dendro version of Ganyu to almost comical level a C6 Tighnari can solo Raiden SHOTGUN boss and the Flubber Whale . Saying Dehya is Good is straight copium, her entire blood mane passive works against her kit. Her C6 messes with her Sword passive,dmg scaling burst interruption,duration of skill, & energy required to cast her abilities is abysmal. I created a clam build (which the community still enjoys thankfully just to make her viable for FUN, "Maple Dehya" was the build alas.it was a Bofuri ref.)It took me two months of thinking outside the box just to make her remotely useable for Overworld forget Abyss. Dehya is WORSE than Qiqi her split scaling worsens her issues.
Tough choice for me because I have everyone at least C0. - Diluc would get a C4 - Mona would get a C5 - Jean would get a C3 - Tighnari would get a C2 - Dehya would get a C1 - Qiqi would get a C2. So, I'm giving it a hard think ... Keqing, Tighnari, Dehya and Diluc all get more damage. Jean C4 is supposed to be good but I'm still one more C away. I'm not building Qiqi, and Mona's high Cs are kind of weird. Maybe Dehya... I haven't given her too much attention yet, but I know she's got a decent burgeon team. Keqing may be worth it because I actually run her aggravate team in the Abyss.
You probably don't play tighnari at a high level but he's the best out of all the standard characters. Being once a limited character he's still tier 1 in the meta. Jean requires Furina while Tighnari has way more teams
Ah finally someone who supports me 😅, I think he doesn’t know what he is saying . Thynari is actually the best character out of all the characters on the standard banner. I can’t tell but it seems like this guy has a beef with Thynari because he couldn’t even explain his kits and team wide properly.😂
putting keqing above tighnari is lowkey a little crazy. its a subjective tier list but keqing has like 4 different competitors (cyno sethos chlorinde and arguably yae miko) while tighnari only has 1, and he still has his niche in that competitive field
I don't think the general opinion around dehya is based on the expectation for her to be a main dps because her kit revolves mainly around dmg mitigation she looks like a tank dmg hybrid (which is a really cool idea) I think people think she's bad because she doesn't excel or even does a decent job at anything: she doesn't have enough pyro app for anything (probably not even for the new 5.0 5*s) and she doesn't have good enough dmg or defensive utility so in 90% of cases why even use her
Ngl she's good on neuvi hyperbloom teams with Nahida and Raiden but honesly even that falls short to neuvi teams with Charlotte or Baizhu. Sure they lack 100% IR but honestly with neuvi you can basically kite your way to victory.
I pretty much only use her for clorinde chevruse teams. Clorindes self-healing with dehyas dmg reduction is enough to just tank through anything. Although if you have c6 thoma, he's arguably better.
13:52 Its important to remember that they cant add older limited characters to the standard banner due to laws around advertising. So any new characters that will be added will be from upcoming patches only.
I disagree with Tighnari being so much lower than Keqing. Keqing is a solid quicken on-fielder, but she's never the best, while Tighnari is the best spread dps specifically in single target scenarios. As soon as there is more than one target, Alhaitham is better, and Alhaitham is just generally a much more versatile unit due to how easily you can control the length of his rotations depending on the current situation, but if it's just single target Tighnari comes out on top, even if slightly. Also it's probably relevant to mention that Dehya can be a functional dps, though mainly with constellations. Until C4, she's stuck Emblem, but with C4 you can use her signature set to increase her damage ceiling. With C6, her damage output becomes comparable with a C0 Hu Tao, which is nothing to sneeze at. For standard 5* characters, constellations are a relevant thing to mention, because, if you play long enough, you *will* get constellations on at least some of them. Being able to pick a copy of the standard 5* characters might mean, for some, being able to reach the good constellations of the character, if they have any good constellations (which isn't guaranteed, admittedly, given that Qiqi's constellations do very little for her and even her C6 is mainly good for coop or memes). Older players might already have at least one copy of most, if not all, of the standard 5*, so I'm a little surprised you didn't mention the value of their constellations at all.
1. I don't think I ranked Keqing THAT much lower than Tighnari IMO, but I can see the argument of him being over Keqing. 2. I'd be interested to see some calcs comparing Tighnari and Alhaitham at C0, as from what I've seen, Alhaitham's teams just do more damage than Tighnari's. 3. As a veteran player myself, I don't see much value in many of the standard banner 5 stars. Both support and DPS cons of the older characters don't improve their impact that much nor do they change the character dramatically. Even if my Diluc was say, C6, he is not competing with other 5* limited DPSes. It may be helpful for Imaginarium Theater, but as I mentioned I kept this ranking abyss-oriented. The only exceptions, which I mentioned, was with Dehya and Tighnari as their cons give much more improvement.
@@FBl 1. Jean "calcs" are irrelevant as calcs are done primarily for team DPS. The Jean discussion is her value as a Furina support. 2. I cannot find an updated Keqing calc. The one old one I found is about 57k DPS. It's alright but nothing too special. Compared to top DPS, it's a bit far behind, but we are comparing standard vs standard. If there is a calc with Tighnari with similar assumptions, for me to properly compared, that would be great. Like I said, I'm completely comfortable swapping Keqing and Tighnari, as I don't see their rankings as that different. They both have good enough teams IMO.
Mona can be used in Arlecchino, Chlorinde, Neuvilette and many many other teeams as a dmg amp. She may not be the best support for them but she can be used especially in abyss if your characters uses the same supports as a replacement. Also her own vape teams are hella strong i used her team sometimes and there wasnt anytime that i couldnt 36 star the abyss.
She has a 60% dmg amp via her busrt She can use TTDS for %48 atk or fav cod to help her er requierment and ger teammates She can use Nobless or Tenacity for and additional 20% and even instructor for 120 em She may have low hydro app. But she can be paired either other hydro characters to make up for that.
You might find her omen debuff short but in right senario it last even longer (for exemple in freeze or ur enemy has a shield) Her own damage is so good too, her charged attack multipliars are not that bad and paired with xiangling Bennett and aKazuha you can make an amazing team.
@@kimogun379 Qiqi can also be used with Chlorine and Nuevillette, does that make her a great character? Nah. The only synergy that will matter for her rn is Mualani. Any catalyst can use TTDS, it's nit really exclusive to her. As for Noblesse and Tenacity, those sets are outclassed by Natlan's set. Freeze isn't good so extra Omen doesn't really mean anything. Many characters can deal a lot of damage in this core. Yeah idk, besides Mualani Mona just isn't all that valuable...
@@kawaiimika7974 a lot of thing are not exclusive for a character. Both Yelan and Furina gibes dmg bonus and all anemos can use VV does that make Kazuha less valuable? No. Sucrose giving em doesnt make nahidas em buff less valuable. I said she can do all those things with her own unique Omen debuff. I didnt said she is the best character or she is the absolute best in slot for Neuvi, Arle, Chlorinde etc. I said she is a character that has a lot of buffing capabilities and many use cases.
About adding limited characters to standard... it's illegal, even if they're super old like albedo and Klee, they were marketed to the public as limited time characters, hoyoverse cannot add them to the standard banner. However, when you visit the banner details of a limited 5 star, it specifically says that the 5 star will not be added to the wish "wanderlust invocation" which means technically hoyoverse could take a loophole, they could create a new version of the standard banner and add old limiteds to it. They would technically still be in line with the law since they never added any limited characters to the actual standard banner
I just recently got Dehya last month through 50/50 lost, and you made it quite convincing to choose for her. However, I'm still in the middle of deciding. I was planning on choosing Jean since I use her the most than the other 5-star standard, but this video did make me convince to rethink and visit all the 7 standard characters I currently own and in what constellation they are in. I want to make sure I have a strong team for Abyss Spiral and Imaginarium Theatre.
mans i was slighlty bummed to see that you didnt consider c2 or c4 jean or mona at higher constellations. i think dehya would've gone up at c2 also bc of that constellation helping her with the split scaling. and not to parrot the other comments, but tighnari was kinda done dirty lol
Lol i have a double crowned mona for 2 year now and she is in the correct spot low hydro app for like 4 sec the omen buff doesnt last that long to give any actual value just use yelan of 60 dmg bonus instead or furina so stop spreading misinfo
@@prakhar6852 don't forget how much er she needs and how her bubble nowadays is mostly for nuke showcases. It honestly doesn't feel good especially for MTWave.
I actually agree with your hot take, Dehya that high is okay to me esp with upcoming Natlan patches... ... but what I disagree against is Tighnari being that below Keqing in quicken comps. Tighnari will always be one of the best single target destroyer, even with non-premium team, unlike Keqing whom you BADLY need Kazuha and C6 Fischl to make her team work above average. There's a reason CN community almost always use Tighnari in abyss boss chambers if they see it fit. But hey, this is just my argument. Tier lists are partially subjective, so yeah. EDIT: I bet Chasca will be the one to be added in standard banner.
I feel you on Chasca on being in the standard, but I have mix feelings when we don't have a geo standard char. I really don't want to assume Xilonen coz they are both coming home on my acc. but I hope it's someone else (I pulled for Dehya's debut banner and now on c1) T_T
@@araara6673 I don't think Xilonen will be the one in standard: rumours say that she's going to be a really strong support character and that's not the type of character they would usually put in standard
dehya also has insane 60% atk buff potential if you have wolf gravestone laying around, combined buff with totm. but currently i have no jean (and wgs) so i might choose jean.
altho you might want to have c2 for extra duration to be more comfortable using her, lol. also i want to add that tighnari dmg potential is just crazy (though single target), and i really really want his c6, so now im conflicted😅.
Tighnari is really good even if he is not high invested I think he is at the same level as Keqing or even better. I know this is an objective take but I do think Tighnari is being underestimated here :/ but overall good video.
Unfortunately, he is the only character I don't have so I can only analyze based on other's experiences. I can see the argument of Tighnari > Keqing. Both are fine DPSes so them switching positions in the ranking isn't too big of a deal to me.
@@anddadi mean dendro overall is easy to use slap some em or atk and most of the time it would work. Keqing on the other hand need a bunch good artif. Well new artif system might help build her but tighnari is still easier to build
@@anddad Tighnari has some crazy scaling with enough investment. For reference C6 Tighnari is comparable to C6 Alhaitham in terms of dps and it’s insanely frontloaded too. Only downside is it’s mostly single target but he’s got some real speedrun potential vs bosses.
I just hope they remove the auto attack stuff from her burst. That alone will fix her kit by tenfold. It's not even the damage that disappointed people, it's her clunkyness.
As someone who's been playing since release and keeps up with the meta, I'd say the tier list is a bit all over the place, specially with Mona's and Tighnari's placements, as well as Dehya being so high, even if you value utility, she's never gonna be as good as other supports. The Con section was also disappointing, at least you mentioned C4 Jean isn't really worth it, but Tighnari has really good constellations, I'd say his C6 is his worst because it only extends his rotation which shouldn't really happen lol, but the rest are pretty good potency increases.
no hate meant with this comment, i am just a dry typer and mildly knowledgeable about this game. great comprehensive explanation for the other 6, but i have a few gripes with the dehya section. and for clarification, i think tighnari should be a-tier above keqing and mona should be b tier above diluc. dehya is only unique because her niche isn't a particularly good or necessary one. she takes two roles and half bakes both of them into one character. if sustain/interruption resistance is necessary then you go zhongli, kirara, layla, thoma, baizhu, etc, all of which also provide useful buffs/application with the bonus of not taking damage. if you need off-field pyro application, just use xiangling. i can't think of a scenario where xiangling's application wouldn't be better than dehya's, or a situation where both dehya's mediocre application AND her mediocre sustain would be necessary. burgeon would rather have thoma, neuvillette would rather have zhongli, ganyu isn't even a main dps anymore and she would still rather have zhongli or kokomi. i also heavily disagree with your reasoning of tighnari, keqing and diluc being "just a dps." by that logic mona should've been a-tier as well, especially considering she provides way more than dehya does, even with her extremely mild restrictions. (her passive makes her scale off of ER anyways so i don't get why that was considered a downside.) and while i generally agree supports are more valuable than dps, dehya just does not provide enough of anything to justify her being above even diluc in my eyes. she is still a useable unit with a niche, but her niche of both slow pyro app and interruption resistance rather than a shield is just not something that any team needs in one unit right now. i hope natlan gives her a use cause i love dehya's character but yeah those are my thoughts.
1. Tighnari if you don't have Alhaithm or other stand alone dendro dps, he's the best and strongest standard character, if you can't play with him its just your skill issue, good dmg and can do infinite dendro field application form his skill and can stay infinite due to his really low skill cool down, also some what crowd control to the enemies who are inside the dendro field, also his insta charge attaks don't loses when you swap him so you can swap him put anytime before his skill cool down to do the charge attack 2. Mona pick if you don't have furina 3. Jean good healer who can go with any teams 4. Keqing, pick if you don't have any good electro dmg dealers like raiden, clorinde and others 5.diluc ok ish pyro dps good if you have support charecters for him 6.dheya, idk pick if you really want her 7. Don't pick you will probably get her when you lose 50/50 in event banners
who should I choose: keqing or mona if my team is like this: which is the best standard banner 5 star if my team combination is: Neuvillete(lvl 40), Qiqi(Lvl 50), Jean(Lvl 20), xiangling(Lvl 50)
Ranking them from least likely of me choosing to most likely: 7: Dehya, kinda speaks for itself 6: Mona, of the 3 standard characters I have, this is the one I like the least 5. Qiqi, meh character but kinda cute 4. Jean, C1 Jean might not be too bad but I don’t really use her anymore 3. Keqing, literally only up here because because I don’t have her and she doesn’t suck 2. Tighnari, funny how the only male standard characters are in the top 2, he might be the best gameplay wise for me though 1. Diluc, I’ve literally always wanted to get him, I literally knew exactly who I was going to pick as soon as I heard this news, although he might not be my favorite character anymore and probably not that strong anymore, he’s still easily my favourite out of these people
cant wait to use dehya with mualani shes just been sitting collecting dust for a year for me even tho shes one of my fav lore characters would the best set on her be instructor to boost the em for mualani? or is there a better set to use also id argue jean c2 is one of the better ones as it improves atk speed honourable mention to qiqi c1 too.. her skill generates particles which makes her more useful (but still worse than jean from my experience)
I have Tighnari C0, Mona C3, Jean C0, Keqing C1, Diluc C1, Qiqi C2 und no Dehya ... sooo, should I pick Dehya to "catch 'em all"? To be fair - I don't use any of characters that much ... any tips?
My c6 tighnari got me my first abyss clear so I love him and cherish him. That said I wanna play dehya with a better kit so I’m getting her c1 and praying it does something
Such a great addition, nevermind the Fate Point change on the weapon banner, AND the Capturing Radiance mechanic. Btw, we coincidentally stated that Dehya is one of the better options :P Great video, my man! Keep it up!
My account is lvl 20 with not a single 5 stars chr yet ,which one will be better for my account? And between 5.0 rate up banners which one of them will be of a high value for a beginner like me ??
Welcome to the game! Since you're starting out, starting with some workable DPSes will likely be more helpful, so you can go for someone like Tighnari or Keqing. The supports I mentioned only bring value when you have established characters in your account. As for the 5.0 rate uo banners, I think most people will say Kazuha > Mualani since Kazuha is a very strong and versatile support. And while this may be true, I think getting Mualani is still fine as well. It's whether or not you want a strong support that will bring more value further on, or get a strong DPS to help you get set up. The bottom line is that for new accounts, just pulling ANYTHING will be important just so you can get some character options. So if any of their designs vibe with you more, go for it.
Nice video! I have all the standar characters so my choice now is choosing c2 jean or c2 dehya, i already use Jean a lot since i have c2 Furina, and im planning to pull for Kinich so im about to get usage of Dehya, which one would you recommend?
thanks! i don't think any of the cons you mention will improve the teams you want to play significantly. Jean cons don't do that much, the Dehya's C2 extending her skill field may be helpful, so I would choose Dehya if you were set between the two
Personally, I would recommend dehya cons if you want enjoy using her. Her cons are very impactful, and at c2 she can actually be both a decent off field pyro applier, as well as a decent dmg dealer
@@akamistify I've never used dehya as everyone told me she was pretty bad. But if cons fix her, I may give her a try! Since I also have her signature weapon :-)
@@starlitd0ll she’s really not AS bad people say nowadays. She definitely has her issues but shes fun to play imo and can output pretty good damage with c1, and with cons she can really fit onto a lot teams without issue just with her skill’s utility. For example im thinking of using her with my mualani when i get her next patch
@@starlitd0ll sure :). If you’re just using her to apply pyro, then I’d recommend using sac greatsword pre c2 (if she’s c2 then you can go ahead and give her her weapon), and giving her 4 piece tenacity set with the typical dps stats. If you’re gonna build her as a dps (I highly recommend you wait till c1 before you do💀), then you can use the marachusse set if you use her with furina, otherwise I’d recommend emblem or her Vorukasha. For weapons, her signature is always the best, but you could also use the melusine claymore from the event a while back, the Fontaine craftable if there’s a healer on the team, and any 5 star claymore except skyward pride, although it’s still a fine option. If you do dps on a vape or melt team, you can still use those other options but you can also use rainslasher or mailed flower(another event weapon).
tighniri in diluc's tier feels just wrong, he's a very good quick swappy frontloaded dps single target unit, he might not be as universally good as haitham, but in boss fights he can deal with them quicker. Also Kequing too once had a limited banner.
Saying furina is the best character in the game is wild imo. Also how is Jean's synergy with furina is enough for her to be in S tier? Especially when you would still prefer a healer of a different element in furina teams (so you could use kazuha or sucrose) if possible. And does kaqing have higher ranking then tighnari if they do similar things but tighnari has less competition in his element(and higher dps if I'm not mistaken)?
Furina IS the best character in the game though? Damage? Big. Buff? Amazing. Consistency? Can be achived by healers. If you say "ohh but she need's healer!" Let me remind you that Kazuha can't swirl geo and Furina is the only character that can buff EVERY character.
Ok when u said hot take u meant HOT take From my own experience playing all of these characters since every single one of their release dates: Keqing and Tighnari are S tier with keqing being above (reason is because despite keqing having other electro aggrevate dps in her niche, shes better than all of them due to flexibility of rotations without any loss in damage), Jean A tier (Overshadowed by xianyun, furina locked so if ur furina is being used on another team shes uselss), Dehya D tier a tiny bit above qiqi (Im not sure why given the argument u gave about thoma u decided to put her A tier instead of D tier. She provides nothing above thoma infact she provides less in burgeon teams and is circle impact, not enough to sustain without a healer so even her job as a sustain she does worse than a full EM thoma), the rest I agree with you.
I think b to c fits dehya more as she's pretty helpful for non normal attacking teams such as neuvillette hyperbloom, Melt Ganyu and Lyney. The problem is, Well... Those teams besides lyney kind of felt worse compared to other teams with other characters with defensive utility, Neuvillette can use Charlotte or Baizhu(Just kite your way to victory) and Ganyu can use Zhongli+XL. Her kit still sucks a** though.
Thank god someone said dehya's pro in this. Yes she's not great but a lot of the standard characters here have clear replacements except her. You probably already have a limited healer for furina like baizhu, Kokomi, or Xianyun. You may have hutao or arlecchino. You may have alhaitham. But there's currently no dehya 2.0 to replace her in her teams. Granted she doesn't really have that much of teams but the one time you need her, you really need her. I have all standard character except for tighnari and dehya but even tho tighnari may seem the better choice in a vacuum, I already have alhaitham as a dendro dps
dehya does have replacements tho, tons of them. while i admit she’s the only character who provides interruption resistance, basically every team she’s in would just prefer a zhongli shield. and her other niche (off field pyro app) is done better by xiangling (if you need constant app) or thoma (if you need slow/burgeon app + shields are preferable). she’s useable where she is, but i’d say she’s replaceable in almost every team she’s in
I actually think people need to pick up c1 or c2 Dehya over other cons (if they want meta picks) otherwise for the upcoming characters they will be locking down Xiangling and Bennett if they want constant and easy Off-field Pyro application because she is a Skill based character rather than a Burst reliant character like Xiangling and Thoma, also cos her DMG becomes pretty decent by the time we get her to C2
I'm going for Mona as I've been wanting her forever. If was going meta it's not QiQi. If anyone picks her. Cool. Me that would be a waste of a choice. Also, if an early player Dehya and Fox Boy will not help you. As most their materials are stuff you get in the late game. Jean I love, but if got Bennett or Bridgett you're in good hands for healing. So that leaves The Lightning Kitty and Batman. If into speed the Kitty is for you, but want Raw power. The Dark Knight of Monstadt is for you.
Keqing scales with oculi collected so its good enough late game but any limited sumeru/fontaine 5 star can easily beat her even at lvl60 Coming from a lvl90 keqing main btw
I think Tighnari is way better than Keqing, he is stronger damage wise. also dDiluc even without furina (just using Xingqiu, Xianyun and Bennet) can deal lot ton of damage. Diluc and Tighnari probably deserve higher place than Keqing ! Dehya can be good but she's also kinda replacable. She can be replaced with Zhongli for example and it's not even worse than using Dehya. Zhongli just provides superior shieldingg and defence shred. Just my opinion.
I'm honestly surprised Keqing ranks up that high, my reasoning: Lisa - starter character - works off-field - powerful F2P weapons - one of the best, if not the best, 4* aggravate driver in the game
I heard she can be equal to keqing in terms of team dps with fischl but i heard for that, she is kinda hard execute since she lacks i frames and the e does temp alot you still uses NAs to drive aggravate and fischl oz hits(if c6.)but lisa's Es are also fkin crazy and she's also abit energy intensive but with fischl around this doesn't seem to be an issue.
im only missing tighnari and keqing, but i already have alhaitham as a dendro dps but no electro dpses except.. raiden?? but either way i wanted keqing since i joined in 2.4
I might go for dehya bc i plan to pull for neuvi but she also has a niche in emilie team or even with natlan 5stars to come but i also want tighnari lmao just bc im mad i lost the 50/50 in his banner and might be a decent option but i do have alhaitham so idk hard choice
Tbh i am pretty stuck between choosing Keqing or Tighnari (i dont want the others or dehya because i got her on my main account and i didnt really like her since she was kinda weak (which i dont use anymore now because i made a new account like 1 year ago and im using it) but i think im gonna get keqing! (Not sure cause i use fischl and shes pretty good but i think keqing is gonna be stronger than fischl)
I hate tighnari, so im happy the game never gave him to me, and I'll never pick him up. But even with that bias, i would put him in the same tier as keqing at c0, and depending on what con you're getting, he's significantly better.
I just want to start by saying, in general, I think your analysis of each character is fine, this isn't a bad list. There are some pretty major issues though. First, your take on IT is honestly just bad. With stages 9 and 10 being added, IT is clearly getting harder and in IT, supports are far more useful than DPSs, especially supports of less accessible elements like hydro. DPSs are basically dead slots there. Thst leads to my next point about Mona. Shes not just a nuke setter, her best role is as a non-anemo combination CC and buffer, which like Dehya is a role unique to her. The omen buff being short is irrelevant because it gives a ton of off field damage in an AOE. Her C2 and C4 also massively help her in this regard. These traits aren't super useful for abyss, but shes a monster in IT, essily the best on this list. And up with Dehya and Jean at the top. The next issue is your ranking of DPSs. Unless youre a brand new player, no DPS is a good choice, much less better or on par with Jean, Dehya and Mona. Kinich and Raiden, both of which will be on banner in 5.0, massively outperform Tighnari and Keqing. Diluc is a nonstarter, he needs two limited 5 stars at a minimum and even then he's not even that good. They shoukd all be just above Qiqi, not towards the top. Finally, youe constellation section is both lazy and just wrong. I mentioned Mona but the really big one is Dehya who post C1 is a DPS and at high Cons competes with most if not all C0 DPSs including Neuvi. Is it realistic to get her that high? Probably not but the fact of the matter is that she absolutely is a powerhouse DPS at that level and her Cons are the best by far. Keqing and Diluc have Qiqi level cons, they are nowhere near the others, much less on par or even better.
Thanks for dropping your thoughts! Gonna respond to what you said here: 1. The reason I wanted to focus on Abyss is to not have to consider "x" character is good in IT so I should rank them higher. My opinion of IT is that DPSes are actually more valuable than usual because you cannot guarantee a proper team-comp in IT. Thus, you may just need to run a hodge podge of characters, and your supports (if they don't deal damage themselves) may not be able to utilize their full support capabilities. At the current moment, as long as you have 1 main DPS, you'll clear. Yes, it's getting harder, but that also means a higher character requirement. Keep in mind they are giving better buffs that will give us more damage. On top of that, since IT is element restricted, just getting any character will help as it gives you more options while playing IT. 2. We can agree to disagree on Mona. There are very few cases in which Mona is an optimal buffer in a team even with cons. The CC is not impactful in abyss 12, and the buff is just alright. Sure she has some niche use cases like I mentioned in the video, IMO she's not that amazing in those teams. Yes, in IT she can be useful, but that's because she's another character that can fill your roster. 3. I agree that in the grand scheme of things, a standard DPS will have much less value compared to most limited 5* DPSes. However, this tier list is focused on just standard, so it would be weird IMO to lump most characters near the bottom. 4. I can agree that I could have done a better job explaining and visualizing the difference in constellation strengths.
@@anddad Your take on DPSs in IT is very confusing to me, you bring in close to 20 characters, of which you need 4, soon to be 5 DPSs. Generally two of those are given to you meaning you want or need to bring in 3. If you bring any more, you'll be forced to use dual DPS teams which are significantly less performant. A favonious Amber with 4NO will do more for an Arlecchino team you're forced to use than a God's gift to mankind, top 0.01% Hu Tao for example because free damage and buffing, even if not a lot is more than doing nothing. Flexible units (which can include DPSs, like Ganyu or Ayato with good off field presence) who can perform on any team makes for more functional teams overall, not understanding this is a major reason for why people have non-functional teams in IT. We can get into the statistics of drawing your few DPSs in a larger pool of characters but it is objectively better to stack your pool with off fielders than characters who need field time to do damage because for every one character on field, you have 3 on the bench. That said, even if I don't agree with your reasoning, you were clear that this list is for abyss only and from that perspective it's a fine list.
From my own personal experience with IT, I find myself relying on one central DPS while filling the rest of my team with hopefully functional supports. There are times, however, that I HAVE to use a support I want to save because you are forced to field 4. Or I have to use a support that doesn't make sense. Because the DPS check as of now is not that high, one solid DPS is pretty much enough to carry you through most floors, and you can save your "better" comps for bosses. Yes, supports like yelan, Xingqiu, etc are great because they're so general. The point I wanted to make is that as opposed to abyss where you just choose 2, IT allows for much more to fill the slots. With It getting harder, then we will probably have to plan it out better, but as of now, I find myself just forcing myself through.
L take not putting dehya and tighnari at the top. All the older characters are just not good enough anymore. Dehya is ok at c0 but her c1 and c2 make her crazy good. Plus she only gets better. To me there is really no other character to get besides dehya.
Im going for mona c4 Also no way u put mona on C she is S, she works so good on morgana and nilou blooms. Also she will be best in slot in mualani teams
The difference between Tighnari and Diluc is minuscule? Someone does not know how to play this game... Also Jean S? Someone does know how to pull on banners.
I love dehya, but she's garbage and will only get worse as the game progresses. She has already gotten every buff she's going to get. She needs the on field character to heal themselves, which was fontaines gimmick. Now that that's over, i doubt we ever get more self-healing characters. This means she has to run a healer or you have to dodge, which defeats the entire purpose of using deffensive utility.
Finally after 4 years a free 5* selector 😅 I still don't have Tighnari so I'll probably choose him. Who are you planning to choose?
If you have any thoughts about my standard character ranking, you can join my discord to discuss about it :) (it's relatively new so you can chill and hang out too): discord.gg/wNe2dErP
Tighnari is Meta because A he's very easy & cheap to build, aimbot charge attacks that get ridiculous at higher cons and in terms of single target dmg he hits almostas hard & in some niche scenarios even harder I dare say Tighnari IS a Male "Fluffy" Dendro version of Ganyu to almost comical level a C6 Tighnari can solo Raiden SHOTGUN boss and the Flubber Whale . Saying Dehya is Good is straight copium, her entire blood mane passive works against her kit. Her C6 messes with her Sword passive,dmg scaling burst interruption,duration of skill, & energy required to cast her abilities is abysmal. I created a clam build (which the community still enjoys thankfully just to make her viable for FUN, "Maple Dehya" was the build alas.it was a Bofuri ref.)It took me two months of thinking outside the box just to make her remotely useable for Overworld forget Abyss. Dehya is WORSE than Qiqi her split scaling worsens her issues.
Tough choice for me because I have everyone at least C0.
- Diluc would get a C4
- Mona would get a C5
- Jean would get a C3
- Tighnari would get a C2
- Dehya would get a C1
- Qiqi would get a C2.
So, I'm giving it a hard think ... Keqing, Tighnari, Dehya and Diluc all get more damage. Jean C4 is supposed to be good but I'm still one more C away. I'm not building Qiqi, and Mona's high Cs are kind of weird. Maybe Dehya... I haven't given her too much attention yet, but I know she's got a decent burgeon team. Keqing may be worth it because I actually run her aggravate team in the Abyss.
You probably don't play tighnari at a high level but he's the best out of all the standard characters. Being once a limited character he's still tier 1 in the meta.
Jean requires Furina while Tighnari has way more teams
jean doesn't require furina, shes perfectly useable at c4 for anemo teams
Ah finally someone who supports me 😅, I think he doesn’t know what he is saying . Thynari is actually the best character out of all the characters on the standard banner. I can’t tell but it seems like this guy has a beef with Thynari because he couldn’t even explain his kits and team wide properly.😂
Also if you have tignari getting his constellations are worth too
Jean don't need furina, if your characters have enough hp to take hits or if you are good at dodging Jean is good in any teams as a healer,
putting keqing above tighnari is lowkey a little crazy. its a subjective tier list but keqing has like 4 different competitors (cyno sethos chlorinde and arguably yae miko) while tighnari only has 1, and he still has his niche in that competitive field
blud thinks keqing is better than tighnari 💀💀💀💀
And she is oms
@@static-mx6yy finally someone who understands me
I don't think the general opinion around dehya is based on the expectation for her to be a main dps because her kit revolves mainly around dmg mitigation she looks like a tank dmg hybrid (which is a really cool idea) I think people think she's bad because she doesn't excel or even does a decent job at anything: she doesn't have enough pyro app for anything (probably not even for the new 5.0 5*s) and she doesn't have good enough dmg or defensive utility so in 90% of cases why even use her
Ngl she's good on neuvi hyperbloom teams with Nahida and Raiden but honesly even that falls short to neuvi teams with Charlotte or Baizhu. Sure they lack 100% IR but honestly with neuvi you can basically kite your way to victory.
I pretty much only use her for clorinde chevruse teams. Clorindes self-healing with dehyas dmg reduction is enough to just tank through anything. Although if you have c6 thoma, he's arguably better.
@@juggernaut6666 i heard dehya with clorinde can clear faster due to sac sword. But from what it looks like doesn't seem that much.
ill be choosing jean because her gameplay is so fun 🤩
And I will support you in your decision and for playing how you want to play
13:52 Its important to remember that they cant add older limited characters to the standard banner due to laws around advertising. So any new characters that will be added will be from upcoming patches only.
I disagree with Tighnari being so much lower than Keqing. Keqing is a solid quicken on-fielder, but she's never the best, while Tighnari is the best spread dps specifically in single target scenarios.
As soon as there is more than one target, Alhaitham is better, and Alhaitham is just generally a much more versatile unit due to how easily you can control the length of his rotations depending on the current situation, but if it's just single target Tighnari comes out on top, even if slightly.
Also it's probably relevant to mention that Dehya can be a functional dps, though mainly with constellations. Until C4, she's stuck Emblem, but with C4 you can use her signature set to increase her damage ceiling. With C6, her damage output becomes comparable with a C0 Hu Tao, which is nothing to sneeze at.
For standard 5* characters, constellations are a relevant thing to mention, because, if you play long enough, you *will* get constellations on at least some of them. Being able to pick a copy of the standard 5* characters might mean, for some, being able to reach the good constellations of the character, if they have any good constellations (which isn't guaranteed, admittedly, given that Qiqi's constellations do very little for her and even her C6 is mainly good for coop or memes).
Older players might already have at least one copy of most, if not all, of the standard 5*, so I'm a little surprised you didn't mention the value of their constellations at all.
1. I don't think I ranked Keqing THAT much lower than Tighnari IMO, but I can see the argument of him being over Keqing.
2. I'd be interested to see some calcs comparing Tighnari and Alhaitham at C0, as from what I've seen, Alhaitham's teams just do more damage than Tighnari's.
3. As a veteran player myself, I don't see much value in many of the standard banner 5 stars. Both support and DPS cons of the older characters don't improve their impact that much nor do they change the character dramatically. Even if my Diluc was say, C6, he is not competing with other 5* limited DPSes. It may be helpful for Imaginarium Theater, but as I mentioned I kept this ranking abyss-oriented. The only exceptions, which I mentioned, was with Dehya and Tighnari as their cons give much more improvement.
So much lower? He's one tier below.
@@anddadYou didn’t show the same energy when it came to Keqing and Jean. Let’s see “calcs” of Keqing and Jean vs other top tier characters.
@@FBl 1. Jean "calcs" are irrelevant as calcs are done primarily for team DPS. The Jean discussion is her value as a Furina support.
2. I cannot find an updated Keqing calc. The one old one I found is about 57k DPS. It's alright but nothing too special. Compared to top DPS, it's a bit far behind, but we are comparing standard vs standard. If there is a calc with Tighnari with similar assumptions, for me to properly compared, that would be great. Like I said, I'm completely comfortable swapping Keqing and Tighnari, as I don't see their rankings as that different. They both have good enough teams IMO.
Mona can be used in Arlecchino, Chlorinde, Neuvilette and many many other teeams as a dmg amp. She may not be the best support for them but she can be used especially in abyss if your characters uses the same supports as a replacement. Also her own vape teams are hella strong i used her team sometimes and there wasnt anytime that i couldnt 36 star the abyss.
She has a 60% dmg amp via her busrt
She can use TTDS for %48 atk or fav cod to help her er requierment and ger teammates
She can use Nobless or Tenacity for and additional 20% and even instructor for 120 em
She may have low hydro app. But she can be paired either other hydro characters to make up for that.
You might find her omen debuff short but in right senario it last even longer (for exemple in freeze or ur enemy has a shield)
Her own damage is so good too, her charged attack multipliars are not that bad and paired with xiangling Bennett and aKazuha you can make an amazing team.
@@kimogun379 Qiqi can also be used with Chlorine and Nuevillette, does that make her a great character? Nah. The only synergy that will matter for her rn is Mualani.
Any catalyst can use TTDS, it's nit really exclusive to her. As for Noblesse and Tenacity, those sets are outclassed by Natlan's set.
Freeze isn't good so extra Omen doesn't really mean anything.
Many characters can deal a lot of damage in this core.
Yeah idk, besides Mualani Mona just isn't all that valuable...
@@kawaiimika7974 a lot of thing are not exclusive for a character. Both Yelan and Furina gibes dmg bonus and all anemos can use VV does that make Kazuha less valuable? No. Sucrose giving em doesnt make nahidas em buff less valuable. I said she can do all those things with her own unique Omen debuff. I didnt said she is the best character or she is the absolute best in slot for Neuvi, Arle, Chlorinde etc. I said she is a character that has a lot of buffing capabilities and many use cases.
About adding limited characters to standard... it's illegal, even if they're super old like albedo and Klee, they were marketed to the public as limited time characters, hoyoverse cannot add them to the standard banner.
However, when you visit the banner details of a limited 5 star, it specifically says that the 5 star will not be added to the wish "wanderlust invocation" which means technically hoyoverse could take a loophole, they could create a new version of the standard banner and add old limiteds to it. They would technically still be in line with the law since they never added any limited characters to the actual standard banner
every year will it give us a free 5 star? like 2025 = free 5 star?
Yep, for the next anniversary, every year
And they will add more characters to standard wish
@@ugotnojams6945 where did they say that?
@@luckasneo2089 in the livestream shortly after they announced the free 5 star selector. "More and more characters will join standard banner"
Did you not pay attention@@luckasneo2089
I just recently got Dehya last month through 50/50 lost, and you made it quite convincing to choose for her. However, I'm still in the middle of deciding. I was planning on choosing Jean since I use her the most than the other 5-star standard, but this video did make me convince to rethink and visit all the 7 standard characters I currently own and in what constellation they are in. I want to make sure I have a strong team for Abyss Spiral and Imaginarium Theatre.
mans i was slighlty bummed to see that you didnt consider c2 or c4 jean or mona at higher constellations. i think dehya would've gone up at c2 also bc of that constellation helping her with the split scaling. and not to parrot the other comments, but tighnari was kinda done dirty lol
Mona in C Tier is wild, if you don't know how to use her just say so.
Lol i have a double crowned mona for 2 year now and she is in the correct spot low hydro app for like 4 sec the omen buff doesnt last that long to give any actual value just use yelan of 60 dmg bonus instead or furina so stop spreading misinfo
@@prakhar6852 don't forget how much er she needs and how her bubble nowadays is mostly for nuke showcases. It honestly doesn't feel good especially for MTWave.
@@usmanya5110it’s only 60 😭 u can easily have enough er for that
@@aileenr4543 while her being the single hydro and using a ttds ? Crazy its been so many dead versions people forgot how game works
@@aileenr4543 60 isn't cutting it if she's not holding fav or solo hydro.
I actually agree with your hot take, Dehya that high is okay to me esp with upcoming Natlan patches...
... but what I disagree against is Tighnari being that below Keqing in quicken comps. Tighnari will always be one of the best single target destroyer, even with non-premium team, unlike Keqing whom you BADLY need Kazuha and C6 Fischl to make her team work above average. There's a reason CN community almost always use Tighnari in abyss boss chambers if they see it fit.
But hey, this is just my argument. Tier lists are partially subjective, so yeah.
EDIT: I bet Chasca will be the one to be added in standard banner.
I feel you on Chasca on being in the standard, but I have mix feelings when we don't have a geo standard char. I really don't want to assume Xilonen coz they are both coming home on my acc. but I hope it's someone else (I pulled for Dehya's debut banner and now on c1) T_T
@@araara6673 I don't think Xilonen will be the one in standard: rumours say that she's going to be a really strong support character and that's not the type of character they would usually put in standard
You guys I think it might be iansan because hoyo ikyk isn't kind on character with slightest colours
@@IAmJadedJM Iansan is from what I've read is a 4star so Citlali then? lol all speculations tho..
@@araara6673 especially now that we know who ever is going to be put there will be free next year
dehya also has insane 60% atk buff potential if you have wolf gravestone laying around, combined buff with totm. but currently i have no jean (and wgs) so i might choose jean.
altho you might want to have c2 for extra duration to be more comfortable using her, lol. also i want to add that tighnari dmg potential is just crazy (though single target), and i really really want his c6, so now im conflicted😅.
Tighnari is really good even if he is not high invested I think he is at the same level as Keqing or even better. I know this is an objective take but I do think Tighnari is being underestimated here :/ but overall good video.
Unfortunately, he is the only character I don't have so I can only analyze based on other's experiences. I can see the argument of Tighnari > Keqing. Both are fine DPSes so them switching positions in the ranking isn't too big of a deal to me.
@@anddadi mean dendro overall is easy to use slap some em or atk and most of the time it would work.
Keqing on the other hand need a bunch good artif. Well new artif system might help build her but tighnari is still easier to build
@@anddad Tighnari has some crazy scaling with enough investment. For reference C6 Tighnari is comparable to C6 Alhaitham in terms of dps and it’s insanely frontloaded too. Only downside is it’s mostly single target but he’s got some real speedrun potential vs bosses.
@anddad he is really powerful 5 star
thinking about c2 jean or c0 dehya, thanks for the video!
Bro when analyzing Dehya: Maintaining the agenda is our top priority.
But i do agree that she gets severely underrated more than she deserves.
I just hope they remove the auto attack stuff from her burst. That alone will fix her kit by tenfold. It's not even the damage that disappointed people, it's her clunkyness.
Getting myself a C6 Qiqi, I’ll finally be able to revive coop players! (I barely play coop)
As someone who's been playing since release and keeps up with the meta, I'd say the tier list is a bit all over the place, specially with Mona's and Tighnari's placements, as well as Dehya being so high, even if you value utility, she's never gonna be as good as other supports.
The Con section was also disappointing, at least you mentioned C4 Jean isn't really worth it, but Tighnari has really good constellations, I'd say his C6 is his worst because it only extends his rotation which shouldn't really happen lol, but the rest are pretty good potency increases.
no hate meant with this comment, i am just a dry typer and mildly knowledgeable about this game. great comprehensive explanation for the other 6, but i have a few gripes with the dehya section. and for clarification, i think tighnari should be a-tier above keqing and mona should be b tier above diluc.
dehya is only unique because her niche isn't a particularly good or necessary one. she takes two roles and half bakes both of them into one character. if sustain/interruption resistance is necessary then you go zhongli, kirara, layla, thoma, baizhu, etc, all of which also provide useful buffs/application with the bonus of not taking damage. if you need off-field pyro application, just use xiangling. i can't think of a scenario where xiangling's application wouldn't be better than dehya's, or a situation where both dehya's mediocre application AND her mediocre sustain would be necessary. burgeon would rather have thoma, neuvillette would rather have zhongli, ganyu isn't even a main dps anymore and she would still rather have zhongli or kokomi. i also heavily disagree with your reasoning of tighnari, keqing and diluc being "just a dps." by that logic mona should've been a-tier as well, especially considering she provides way more than dehya does, even with her extremely mild restrictions. (her passive makes her scale off of ER anyways so i don't get why that was considered a downside.) and while i generally agree supports are more valuable than dps, dehya just does not provide enough of anything to justify her being above even diluc in my eyes. she is still a useable unit with a niche, but her niche of both slow pyro app and interruption resistance rather than a shield is just not something that any team needs in one unit right now. i hope natlan gives her a use cause i love dehya's character but yeah those are my thoughts.
1. Tighnari if you don't have Alhaithm or other stand alone dendro dps, he's the best and strongest standard character, if you can't play with him its just your skill issue, good dmg and can do infinite dendro field application form his skill and can stay infinite due to his really low skill cool down, also some what crowd control to the enemies who are inside the dendro field, also his insta charge attaks don't loses when you swap him so you can swap him put anytime before his skill cool down to do the charge attack
2. Mona pick if you don't have furina
3. Jean good healer who can go with any teams
4. Keqing, pick if you don't have any good electro dmg dealers like raiden, clorinde and others
5.diluc ok ish pyro dps good if you have support charecters for him
6.dheya, idk pick if you really want her
7. Don't pick you will probably get her when you lose 50/50 in event banners
So true love keqing but tighnari is better than her
Delusion level 10 ☠️
who should I choose: keqing or mona
if my team is like this: which is the best standard banner 5 star if my team combination is:
Neuvillete(lvl 40), Qiqi(Lvl 50), Jean(Lvl 20), xiangling(Lvl 50)
mona will improve the neuvillette team
I started playing in 2020 and Jean is the only one I don’t have so I’m choosing Jean this year
Ranking them from least likely of me choosing to most likely:
7: Dehya, kinda speaks for itself
6: Mona, of the 3 standard characters I have, this is the one I like the least
5. Qiqi, meh character but kinda cute
4. Jean, C1 Jean might not be too bad but I don’t really use her anymore
3. Keqing, literally only up here because because I don’t have her and she doesn’t suck
2. Tighnari, funny how the only male standard characters are in the top 2, he might be the best gameplay wise for me though
1. Diluc, I’ve literally always wanted to get him, I literally knew exactly who I was going to pick as soon as I heard this news, although he might not be my favorite character anymore and probably not that strong anymore, he’s still easily my favourite out of these people
wait what about c6 qiqi? amazing vid btw!!
thanks! I personally prefer not dying so I don't have to use Qiqi's C6 :)
@@anddad lol
Personally I'm gonna choose Dehya so I can eventually C6 her a tiny bit faster assuming she pity breaks more than the others.
cant wait to use dehya with mualani shes just been sitting collecting dust for a year for me even tho shes one of my fav lore characters
would the best set on her be instructor to boost the em for mualani? or is there a better set to use
also id argue jean c2 is one of the better ones as it improves atk speed
honourable mention to qiqi c1 too.. her skill generates particles which makes her more useful (but still worse than jean from my experience)
Good thing I have furnia, so I can get my Jean
I have Tighnari C0, Mona C3, Jean C0, Keqing C1, Diluc C1, Qiqi C2 und no Dehya ... sooo, should I pick Dehya to "catch 'em all"? To be fair - I don't use any of characters that much ... any tips?
No way you actually play Tighnari 😂 and let’s not ignore that Jean bias.
My c6 tighnari got me my first abyss clear so I love him and cherish him.
That said I wanna play dehya with a better kit so I’m getting her c1 and praying it does something
Yeah nah, Tighnari is very strong; one of the strongest ST main dps in the game.
Tie him with Keqing at least.
I can agree with that perspective
Such a great addition, nevermind the Fate Point change on the weapon banner, AND the Capturing Radiance mechanic.
Btw, we coincidentally stated that Dehya is one of the better options :P
Great video, my man! Keep it up!
Finally getting my hand on the lioness 🎉
Every other character: deep and useful analysis of every character flaws and strenght
Dehya: propaganda
i already have kazuha, and i don’t know who to pick between mona and jean, who should i pick? is jean worth it if i already have kazuha?
My account is lvl 20 with not a single 5 stars chr yet ,which one will be better for my account? And between 5.0 rate up banners which one of them will be of a high value for a beginner like me ??
Welcome to the game! Since you're starting out, starting with some workable DPSes will likely be more helpful, so you can go for someone like Tighnari or Keqing. The supports I mentioned only bring value when you have established characters in your account. As for the 5.0 rate uo banners, I think most people will say Kazuha > Mualani since Kazuha is a very strong and versatile support. And while this may be true, I think getting Mualani is still fine as well. It's whether or not you want a strong support that will bring more value further on, or get a strong DPS to help you get set up. The bottom line is that for new accounts, just pulling ANYTHING will be important just so you can get some character options. So if any of their designs vibe with you more, go for it.
FINALLY SOMEONE GIVING DEHYA THE CREDIT SHE DESERVES
Nice video! I have all the standar characters so my choice now is choosing c2 jean or c2 dehya, i already use Jean a lot since i have c2 Furina, and im planning to pull for Kinich so im about to get usage of Dehya, which one would you recommend?
thanks! i don't think any of the cons you mention will improve the teams you want to play significantly. Jean cons don't do that much, the Dehya's C2 extending her skill field may be helpful, so I would choose Dehya if you were set between the two
C2 Jean vs C1 Dehya ....whom to choose
If they would only remove the AI control from her burst, I would not mind Dehya's kit.
Him: dehya is the best standard characters
Also him: Mona is a terrible buffer and she’s gonna go on c tier 😂😂😂
I need to know who to pick considering I have all of them already :c (c5 qiqi, c6 mona, c0 jean, c0 diluc, c0 dehya, c3 keqing, c0 tighnari)
Personally, I would recommend dehya cons if you want enjoy using her. Her cons are very impactful, and at c2 she can actually be both a decent off field pyro applier, as well as a decent dmg dealer
@@akamistify I've never used dehya as everyone told me she was pretty bad. But if cons fix her, I may give her a try! Since I also have her signature weapon :-)
@@starlitd0ll she’s really not AS bad people say nowadays. She definitely has her issues but shes fun to play imo and can output pretty good damage with c1, and with cons she can really fit onto a lot teams without issue just with her skill’s utility. For example im thinking of using her with my mualani when i get her next patch
@@akamistify if you would like, please tell me how I can build her for future reference :-) I'd really appreciate it
@@starlitd0ll sure :). If you’re just using her to apply pyro, then I’d recommend using sac greatsword pre c2 (if she’s c2 then you can go ahead and give her her weapon), and giving her 4 piece tenacity set with the typical dps stats. If you’re gonna build her as a dps (I highly recommend you wait till c1 before you do💀), then you can use the marachusse set if you use her with furina, otherwise I’d recommend emblem or her Vorukasha. For weapons, her signature is always the best, but you could also use the melusine claymore from the event a while back, the Fontaine craftable if there’s a healer on the team, and any 5 star claymore except skyward pride, although it’s still a fine option. If you do dps on a vape or melt team, you can still use those other options but you can also use rainslasher or mailed flower(another event weapon).
tighniri in diluc's tier feels just wrong, he's a very good quick swappy frontloaded dps single target unit, he might not be as universally good as haitham, but in boss fights he can deal with them quicker. Also Kequing too once had a limited banner.
Saying furina is the best character in the game is wild imo.
Also how is Jean's synergy with furina is enough for her to be in S tier? Especially when you would still prefer a healer of a different element in furina teams (so you could use kazuha or sucrose) if possible.
And does kaqing have higher ranking then tighnari if they do similar things but tighnari has less competition in his element(and higher dps if I'm not mistaken)?
Furina IS the best character in the game though? Damage? Big. Buff? Amazing. Consistency? Can be achived by healers. If you say "ohh but she need's healer!" Let me remind you that Kazuha can't swirl geo and Furina is the only character that can buff EVERY character.
if furina’s not the best then who is
Ok when u said hot take u meant HOT take
From my own experience playing all of these characters since every single one of their release dates: Keqing and Tighnari are S tier with keqing being above (reason is because despite keqing having other electro aggrevate dps in her niche, shes better than all of them due to flexibility of rotations without any loss in damage), Jean A tier (Overshadowed by xianyun, furina locked so if ur furina is being used on another team shes uselss), Dehya D tier a tiny bit above qiqi (Im not sure why given the argument u gave about thoma u decided to put her A tier instead of D tier. She provides nothing above thoma infact she provides less in burgeon teams and is circle impact, not enough to sustain without a healer so even her job as a sustain she does worse than a full EM thoma), the rest I agree with you.
I think b to c fits dehya more as she's pretty helpful for non normal attacking teams such as neuvillette hyperbloom, Melt Ganyu and Lyney. The problem is, Well... Those teams besides lyney kind of felt worse compared to other teams with other characters with defensive utility, Neuvillette can use Charlotte or Baizhu(Just kite your way to victory) and Ganyu can use Zhongli+XL. Her kit still sucks a** though.
Thank god someone said dehya's pro in this. Yes she's not great but a lot of the standard characters here have clear replacements except her. You probably already have a limited healer for furina like baizhu, Kokomi, or Xianyun. You may have hutao or arlecchino. You may have alhaitham. But there's currently no dehya 2.0 to replace her in her teams. Granted she doesn't really have that much of teams but the one time you need her, you really need her.
I have all standard character except for tighnari and dehya but even tho tighnari may seem the better choice in a vacuum, I already have alhaitham as a dendro dps
Her replacement is Mavuika and Xiangling as off field Pyro applicator, no?
@@nyes4596 we're not sure what her role yet. She's supposed to be in 5.3 then her beta will be in the distant future
@@wincity4090 All archon are sub-dps support and could be made into a dps.
dehya does have replacements tho, tons of them. while i admit she’s the only character who provides interruption resistance, basically every team she’s in would just prefer a zhongli shield. and her other niche (off field pyro app) is done better by xiangling (if you need constant app) or thoma (if you need slow/burgeon app + shields are preferable). she’s useable where she is, but i’d say she’s replaceable in almost every team she’s in
I gotta give it to genshin on this one
I was one of the haters but this is enough to tickle my pickle
Pick who you want. All these characters work in the abyss.
Imma pick qiqi (in my entire time in genshin Ive only gotten 1 qiqi 😭)
I actually think people need to pick up c1 or c2 Dehya over other cons (if they want meta picks) otherwise for the upcoming characters they will be locking down Xiangling and Bennett if they want constant and easy Off-field Pyro application because she is a Skill based character rather than a Burst reliant character like Xiangling and Thoma, also cos her DMG becomes pretty decent by the time we get her to C2
choosing Mona, I'm going to make a Morgana team. Have recently pulled an Amos for Ganyu. 🐱
I'm going for Mona as I've been wanting her forever. If was going meta it's not QiQi. If anyone picks her. Cool. Me that would be a waste of a choice. Also, if an early player Dehya and Fox Boy will not help you. As most their materials are stuff you get in the late game. Jean I love, but if got Bennett or Bridgett you're in good hands for healing. So that leaves The Lightning Kitty and Batman. If into speed the Kitty is for you, but want Raw power. The Dark Knight of Monstadt is for you.
Keqing scales with oculi collected so its good enough late game but any limited sumeru/fontaine 5 star can easily beat her even at lvl60
Coming from a lvl90 keqing main btw
I think Tighnari is way better than Keqing, he is stronger damage wise. also dDiluc even without furina (just using Xingqiu, Xianyun and Bennet) can deal lot ton of damage. Diluc and Tighnari probably deserve higher place than Keqing !
Dehya can be good but she's also kinda replacable. She can be replaced with Zhongli for example and it's not even worse than using Dehya. Zhongli just provides superior shieldingg and defence shred.
Just my opinion.
yea good points
putting mona on c tier is a crime
Especially if you've less hydro 5 star characters as there are literally three 4 star hydro charcters
fr her in abyss w xiangling bennett and kazuha is crazy 😭 my fastest team
@@aileenr4543yesss
Well, her cons are pretty bad. I won't be choosing her even though she's my favorite from the banner.
It's deserved
i dont have keqing, tighnari or mona, but i dont know if its worth getting one of them or dehya c2
I literally only have Jean and Dehya from losing 50/50 means I’m getting keqing
i like ur voice and content btw, please keep uploading videos!
thank you!
I'll get c2 dehya no matter what
Should I pull for Jean if I will get Xianyun ?
Xinyan punching air rn
ranking mona lower than dehya and diluc is wild
I'm honestly surprised Keqing ranks up that high, my reasoning: Lisa
- starter character
- works off-field
- powerful F2P weapons
- one of the best, if not the best, 4* aggravate driver in the game
I heard she can be equal to keqing in terms of team dps with fischl but i heard for that, she is kinda hard execute since she lacks i frames and the e does temp alot you still uses NAs to drive aggravate and fischl oz hits(if c6.)but lisa's Es are also fkin crazy and she's also abit energy intensive but with fischl around this doesn't seem to be an issue.
im only missing tighnari and keqing, but i already have alhaitham as a dendro dps but no electro dpses except.. raiden?? but either way i wanted keqing since i joined in 2.4
Im picking c2 dehya because shes hot, and becsuse shes gonna be awesome with mualani
I might go for dehya bc i plan to pull for neuvi but she also has a niche in emilie team or even with natlan 5stars to come but i also want tighnari lmao just bc im mad i lost the 50/50 in his banner and might be a decent option but i do have alhaitham so idk hard choice
Tbh i am pretty stuck between choosing Keqing or Tighnari (i dont want the others or dehya because i got her on my main account and i didnt really like her since she was kinda weak (which i dont use anymore now because i made a new account like 1 year ago and im using it) but i think im gonna get keqing! (Not sure cause i use fischl and shes pretty good but i think keqing is gonna be stronger than fischl)
For me it's either Diluc or Dehya I have everyone else I wanted I don't want Kequing because I have a lot of Electro DPS characters.
I’m getting Jean because she’s the only one I use.
Tighnari should at least be in the same tier as Keqing in my opinion…
limited characters will NEVER go to standard banner, it would go against the fine print adn the would get sued / bitch at in china
I'm going for C2 Dehya for my future Mualani
How should I pick keqing or jean
if you have furina and don't have an anemo healer, jean is a better option IMO. otherwise, can go a dps
@@anddad thank you ☺️
tighnary under keqing and dehya that high is weird af
I hate tighnari, so im happy the game never gave him to me, and I'll never pick him up. But even with that bias, i would put him in the same tier as keqing at c0, and depending on what con you're getting, he's significantly better.
Trust me bro choose qiqi she amazing
My only two characters are dehya and tighnari left
I just want to start by saying, in general, I think your analysis of each character is fine, this isn't a bad list. There are some pretty major issues though.
First, your take on IT is honestly just bad. With stages 9 and 10 being added, IT is clearly getting harder and in IT, supports are far more useful than DPSs, especially supports of less accessible elements like hydro. DPSs are basically dead slots there.
Thst leads to my next point about Mona. Shes not just a nuke setter, her best role is as a non-anemo combination CC and buffer, which like Dehya is a role unique to her. The omen buff being short is irrelevant because it gives a ton of off field damage in an AOE. Her C2 and C4 also massively help her in this regard. These traits aren't super useful for abyss, but shes a monster in IT, essily the best on this list. And up with Dehya and Jean at the top.
The next issue is your ranking of DPSs. Unless youre a brand new player, no DPS is a good choice, much less better or on par with Jean, Dehya and Mona. Kinich and Raiden, both of which will be on banner in 5.0, massively outperform Tighnari and Keqing. Diluc is a nonstarter, he needs two limited 5 stars at a minimum and even then he's not even that good. They shoukd all be just above Qiqi, not towards the top.
Finally, youe constellation section is both lazy and just wrong. I mentioned Mona but the really big one is Dehya who post C1 is a DPS and at high Cons competes with most if not all C0 DPSs including Neuvi. Is it realistic to get her that high? Probably not but the fact of the matter is that she absolutely is a powerhouse DPS at that level and her Cons are the best by far. Keqing and Diluc have Qiqi level cons, they are nowhere near the others, much less on par or even better.
Thanks for dropping your thoughts! Gonna respond to what you said here:
1. The reason I wanted to focus on Abyss is to not have to consider "x" character is good in IT so I should rank them higher. My opinion of IT is that DPSes are actually more valuable than usual because you cannot guarantee a proper team-comp in IT. Thus, you may just need to run a hodge podge of characters, and your supports (if they don't deal damage themselves) may not be able to utilize their full support capabilities. At the current moment, as long as you have 1 main DPS, you'll clear. Yes, it's getting harder, but that also means a higher character requirement. Keep in mind they are giving better buffs that will give us more damage. On top of that, since IT is element restricted, just getting any character will help as it gives you more options while playing IT.
2. We can agree to disagree on Mona. There are very few cases in which Mona is an optimal buffer in a team even with cons. The CC is not impactful in abyss 12, and the buff is just alright. Sure she has some niche use cases like I mentioned in the video, IMO she's not that amazing in those teams. Yes, in IT she can be useful, but that's because she's another character that can fill your roster.
3. I agree that in the grand scheme of things, a standard DPS will have much less value compared to most limited 5* DPSes. However, this tier list is focused on just standard, so it would be weird IMO to lump most characters near the bottom.
4. I can agree that I could have done a better job explaining and visualizing the difference in constellation strengths.
@@anddad Your take on DPSs in IT is very confusing to me, you bring in close to 20 characters, of which you need 4, soon to be 5 DPSs. Generally two of those are given to you meaning you want or need to bring in 3. If you bring any more, you'll be forced to use dual DPS teams which are significantly less performant. A favonious Amber with 4NO will do more for an Arlecchino team you're forced to use than a God's gift to mankind, top 0.01% Hu Tao for example because free damage and buffing, even if not a lot is more than doing nothing.
Flexible units (which can include DPSs, like Ganyu or Ayato with good off field presence) who can perform on any team makes for more functional teams overall, not understanding this is a major reason for why people have non-functional teams in IT.
We can get into the statistics of drawing your few DPSs in a larger pool of characters but it is objectively better to stack your pool with off fielders than characters who need field time to do damage because for every one character on field, you have 3 on the bench.
That said, even if I don't agree with your reasoning, you were clear that this list is for abyss only and from that perspective it's a fine list.
From my own personal experience with IT, I find myself relying on one central DPS while filling the rest of my team with hopefully functional supports. There are times, however, that I HAVE to use a support I want to save because you are forced to field 4. Or I have to use a support that doesn't make sense. Because the DPS check as of now is not that high, one solid DPS is pretty much enough to carry you through most floors, and you can save your "better" comps for bosses. Yes, supports like yelan, Xingqiu, etc are great because they're so general. The point I wanted to make is that as opposed to abyss where you just choose 2, IT allows for much more to fill the slots. With It getting harder, then we will probably have to plan it out better, but as of now, I find myself just forcing myself through.
1) Tighnari
2) Jean
3) Keqing
4) Mona
5) Diluc
6) Dehya
7) Qiqi
Idk where to claim the 5 star
Mona or tighnari for me, but man I really need c1 dehya😂
I'm a simple person. I have everyone except for Dehya. She will finally come home.
L take not putting dehya and tighnari at the top. All the older characters are just not good enough anymore. Dehya is ok at c0 but her c1 and c2 make her crazy good. Plus she only gets better. To me there is really no other character to get besides dehya.
Im going for mona c4
Also no way u put mona on C she is S, she works so good on morgana and nilou blooms. Also she will be best in slot in mualani teams
The difference between Tighnari and Diluc is minuscule? Someone does not know how to play this game... Also Jean S? Someone does know how to pull on banners.
Ngl just pick who you want
KE-QUEEN ALWAYS SOLOS 💪💪
i'm picking Dehya because i don't have her
I love dehya, but she's garbage and will only get worse as the game progresses. She has already gotten every buff she's going to get. She needs the on field character to heal themselves, which was fontaines gimmick. Now that that's over, i doubt we ever get more self-healing characters. This means she has to run a healer or you have to dodge, which defeats the entire purpose of using deffensive utility.
Tighnari below Keqing and Dehya?
what are you smoking man...
Imagine thinking Jean and Keqing are better characters than Dehya. And disseminate this information...
Ain't no way bro let Mona that close to Qiqi. She may not be the best but she is never that close to Qiqi. At least high B imo
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Pliz someone show me
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Tighnari is good on paper but his gameplay is ass and he is pretty cope without 5* weapon.
Mona