She Couldn't Handle it!!! The Imitation Game Part 2
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Alan Turing is often referred to as the Father of Computer Science. But your reaction at the end about why the UK government treated Turing the way they did is spot on about most of our reactions.
We should all be thankfull that Alan achieved what he did before being discovered as a common 'criminal' of the time. Europe and the world really did hang in the balance.
His machine was probably one of the first versions of AI. It's amazing what machines can do. So sad the beliefs that humans held in the past. The amount of intolerance and narrow-mindedness of past generations just astonishes me. Not that people these days are so much better, because there's plenty of ignorance today, but how heightened it was back then is just terrible
@@user-vc5rp7nf8f Of course, that does beg the question: how much more 'open-minded' do you think humans (a) can be; and (b) ought to be? That is, to what end? What do you think will be better if we were perfectly open-minded and tolerant? It's 2021 and being gay (and/or trans) is literally pushed onto people in TV, social media, and the education system at this point, so what more would you like to see, I dare ask? Ironically, the most intolerant people these days are the radical leftists who are pushing such things. Naturally, not just intolerant enough that it's now a crime to be anti-gay (irony, I guess), but that it's extremely taboo to not be extremely pro-gay; in fact, the fringe Left thinks that just being straight is 'homophobic'. What about the fact that studies prove that 70-90% of all 'trans boys' grow out of it by age 18 and turn out gay? -- Meaning, when they force the boys in question to be 'trans', what they are doing is removing homosexuality, which sounds very anti-gay to me (more irony again). What about the fact they have completely overturned the 'Gay Pride' into 'Pride' (trans pride, namely); thus, shifting focus and rights issues away from gays, that doesn't seem very open-minded or tolerant, it seems very narrow-minded towards a tiny, sub-set group (trans), and even at the cost of the other groupings they claim to stand for. A good example right now is how the radical Left didn't care at all about Ellen Page when she was a lesbian, but now she is a 'straight, white, male' (the most privileged and oppressive group in the world according to intersectional/feminist theory), they love her and praise her for coming out as an evil, privileged, straight, white, male. Explain that logic? Of course, the same people want 'camps' for Conservatives. Sounds more Soviet (speaking of the Russians) than tolerant to me...
@@TheClassicWorld wow you typed a lot for someone who’s ignorant af. Can you not see that the one thing that is being pushed upon people is being straight? That can’t be anymore obvious. The amount of biased knowledge you sputter out is pretty alarming. I think you should get that checked.
@@TheClassicWorld do please go outside
This story is why you still hear that carrots are good for your eyesight. When British forces began turning up at random coordinates and foiling German movements, part of the cover story was British pilots ate tons of carrots. Their eyesight was so much better they could see farther and clearer and still today people talk about carrots and eyesight. History can be fun at times .
Wow, that was the cover story?
That was related to the development of Airborne Intercept Radar, a way of explaining how British night fighters could find German bombers at night without revealing the technology.
John Cunningham was a night-fighter ace in WW2 thanks to Radar, but was known as "Cat's Eyes Cunningham" by the British press, his superior eye sight explaining his success.
We gave Turing a pardon but we should of being begging for his pardon. Bletchley Park is one of the most fascinating places to visit, definitely worth going
Alan Turing was voted by the British public to appear on the new £50 note.
First prints next month
Lovely reaction Ellie! Alan is a hero to so many people, other comments have covered the common ones; (1) war-hero, (2) father of computer science, (3) LGBT icon, but there is a 4th which is touched on beautifully in this movie - neurodiversity! Our understanding of the autism spectrum was non-existent in Alan's life, but most accounts of his personality and interactions with others would suggest he was high-functioning autistic. In this movie, we get moments showing this such as;
- The "We're going to get some lunch" scene
- The "You got him to like you... why?" scene
- The childhood "How is that different to talking?" scene
- Alan's ability to take a dispassionate position throughout, such as taking a statistical approach to deciding who lives and who dies, not saving his friend's brother, breaking up with Joan, etc.
- The actual "Imitation Game" or "Turing Test", in determining whether something is a person or a machine, is also a reflection of how Alan and many people with autism see themselves. I personally have to imitate a neurotypical person every day!
So to me, this is why Alan Turing is such a personal hero, and I thought this movie had a balanced and respectful approach to showing this in his character.
It's not historically accurate, but it conveys the heart of the matter. The Enigma had been cracked before Turing was involved. What they were working on specifically was the German Navy which had higher encryption standards for Engima than the rest of the German military. And in reality it wasn't Turning along working on a machine. Many different people were simultaneously building Bomba machines. I wasn't something people were skeptical about as everyone knew it was the best way to crack the codes. Turing also didn't invent the Bomba as it already existed and was invented in Poland. He helped improve it.
Yes. You're entirely right. Accuracy is almost always sacrificed in the name of greater dramatic effect, which is certainly understandable. "Richard 111" would have been rather tepid at best, if not for the liberties Shakespeare took with the truth. I am torn between my respect for history and my love of a good story., but in this case, I think some embellishment was a necessary ingredient.
True story Ellie, true story. The horrors of human history.
World War 2 experts and historians tend to agree that although the efforts of spies and codebreakers did not win the war for the Allies, spying and code breaking successes shortened the war by 5-10 years, saving countless lives.
A similar film from 2000, called Enigma, is also very good, though it does not focus on Alan Turing. Spy films and novels are my favourite films, and I am thrilled you made time for this film and this subject.
Is that the film where the Americans find the enigma machine and crack the code, instead of what really happened? Just Googled it - no that was a different film U-571 - which fictionally portrays the first enigma machine to be captured by the Americans, when in fact, the British captured the first Enigma machine three years before the Americans did. I guess it plays better to an American audience for them to be the heroes.
8:32 when you love someone enough to allow them to think you’re a monster. To think the guy who basically won the war lived in isolation and committed suicide at 41...... 😞smh
what's even worse are the people that were lost to the "mindset" up to 1967 when it was made legal.
This is a wonderful movie. One of the best of the past decade.
Great movie of such a tragic, moving true story. Thanks for reacting to it.
I am SOOOOOO GLAD u did Imitation Game!!!! This is almost an unknown movie and its soooo good and a true story.
You can try "A Beautiful Mind" as well
Great call.
Your reaction was the same as mine - liked the movie and then to find out it was a true story made it better - a sad day for a hero that no one knew about during his life time
Without Alan Turing our modern computer age wouldn't exist
Yeah...amazing this was classified for 50 years. Great that Alan finally got the recognition...and Royal pardon for the BS 'crime'. Excellent movie.
I love watching movies with Ellie!!!❤❤❤❤
In 2009, the government made an official apology and pardon for their prosecution of Turing for "gross indecency". RIP Alan Turing. Glad that these days, people are becoming more and more tolerant, while the idiots who think love is indecent are being shut down.
I saw this film in the cinema with my partner. They aren't usually interest in dramatic films, or true stories of people they've never heard of, but the story of Alan Turing is so powerful.
I knew of Alan Turing and his role in the inception of modern computing, so I knew seeing that story dramatised would be tragic. My partner had no idea who Alan Turing was, but really appeciated the story the film told.
Alan Turing deserved a better life than what he received.
Homosexuality was illegal until 1967 in the UK. It took until 2010 for equal treatment for employment and access to services was put into law. Alan Turing's pardon happened in 2013.
I consider myself fortunate that I have been able to witness the progress that has occurred so far in equal rights and equal opportunities throughout the 2000s and 2010s. I am Australian, we have a lot of work left to do in that regard.
The music they played when Christopher is revealed to have died is utter sadness.
You might also be interested in the "Code Talkers". True story............native american indians were used in WWII to send messages via code in their native languages. These languages were unknown to to the Japanese and words were given to different things in the military. For instance a tank would be called a turtle in the native language because their was no word for tank in the native language. This language was also not a written language, but was taught and passed down from one generation to the next. There is also a film about this.
Another great WWII film to watch is "Das Boot" (1981). It's considered to be among the best ever made.
Alan Turing: The codebreaker who saved 'millions of lives' 👍👍😊😊
I loved your reaction. I cried. Great story.
A true hero
‘Genius’ is a word that’s used far too frequently to describe people that haven’t really done anything special, but Alan Turing was undoubtedly one of the greatest true geniuses that ever lived, his impact on WWII was, in itself, phenomenal. But we still are affected by his genius today, almost every electronic item we now use has a computer of some sort within it. How much more advanced might we be, if he hadn’t been hounded and ill treated due to his sexuality, causing him to commit suicide at such a young age. Truly a case of humans ‘shooting themselves in the foot’ 😞
The real version of this story is far better. Mind-bendingly extraordinary. A couple of really brilliant minds solving fiendish problems and helping thousands of people create, store and interrogate datasets so large new technology was needed just to keep up. Manual interpretation of vast data sets to create intelligence. Factories all over the place building and running machines. The support and discretion of tens of thousands in the local community. Built on the culture of the nation. Heros all over the place.
This film is drawn with crayons by comparison. But hopefully it encourages folks to read more if nothing else.
You would absolutely love the movie “A Perfect Storm”
Aw hell yeah seconded
I've been to Bletchley park for a maths trip for school a couple years ago, it's a really nice place
Isn’t someone else credited to being the first creator of the computer. But Alan’s although not being as advanced was still technically a very basic prototype of the computer.
Wanna watch Alita Battle Angel?
The Americans also deciphered Japanese Navy General Operational Code, or JN25, during World War II.
So much of his work was classified for so long. The film is NOT historicaly accurate but who cares? I don't believe I'd be writing this is my native language if it wasn't for this man! Legend, hero, genius!
This guy saved millions and helped end the worst war of all time, and stilll many don't know who he is
9:00 thank you for seeing that…watched this with a few friends a while ago, and they all took it to be genuine…
It sounds like your friends are lacking in emotional intelligence...
@@bigdream_dreambig sadly it’s the “woke generation” who are the least aware of such nuances…
A real hero❤️
In the United States, the right to privacy was essentially guaranteed by the landmark Supreme Court decisiom Griswold v. Connecticut (1965) - no relation. But that didn’t suffice to prevent legal action against homosexual conduct. As late as 2003, laws were being actively enforced in 13 states. Then, in that same year, 34 years after the Stonewall Riots, the Supreme Court decision Lawrence v. Texas legalized homosexuality once and for all. Still, 2003 is so terribly late to have rectified something so elemental to personal liberty.
Twelve years later in 2015, the Supreme Court in another lamdmark decision, Obergefell v. Hodges, legalized gay marriage in the entire US. This replaced several states that recognized same sex marriage, others that offered a hodge podge system of substandard “domestic partnerships” that were desperately incapable of serving the interests of the parties involved, and still others that provided neither, nor recognized the marriages performed in other states.
The Turing story is a tragedy beyond words. A brilliant mathematical mind and war hero entrapped, not only by the absurdities of the mores of time, but also by the Secrecy Act he was duty bound to uphold.
In Britain we try to remember Allen Turing who was a hero and saved countless lives and was treated in an monstrous way by the backwards Society of the time
With this film You have a new suscriptor
To help: in english, the word is "subscriber."
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Thanks for The correction
Turing received a posthumous apology from the British government in 2009, and a royal pardon in 2013. Four years later, the Turing law, which pardoned gay men with past convictions, was passed.
158 million, million, million combinations!!!
On the gravestone of Leonard Matlovich:
"A gay Viatnam Veteran
When I was in the military they gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one."
Gay people are different. Not sick. Not wrong. Not evil. Like everyone else, they deserve to live with respect and dignity.
Such a good movie 🍿
Great reactions.
I think you should do a video where you watch Atonement. It's set during World War 2 as well and also features Keira Knightley. I remember bawling watching the movie, and sitting through the credits as I let what I just watched soak in.
Yes, and then she should watch "Pride and Prejudice" with Keira Knightley and Matthew Macfadyen from 2005. So she can bawl her eyes out too - but for good reasons.
Alan Turing was officially pardoned by HM Queen Elizabeth II in 2013, after being arrested for homosexuality.
I think that his criminal record was also expunged (deleted).
The secret information about how to make an electronic computer was passed to US intelligence - who passed it to IBM!!!!
IBM with dirty hands selling to the Nazis
Please react to The Exorcist (1973).
The poles cracked enigma early in the war and built the machine that they copied at Bletchley. Turing and the team made cracking the daily code much quicker.
It's quite incredible how much the Poles are overlooked when it comes to the allied victory. Not only did they help crack enigmas but they also played a big role in the battle of Britain as well as other aspects of the war-unfortunately they are seen as "week" cause of how quick the Nazis overrun them.
P.s I am mistaken-only America won the war and saved us from Hitler.
Hi Ellie. I hope you are having a fine day. I wish humans didn't like fighting wars so much, but we do. I hope humans figure out a way to stop killing each other in wars because we are running out of time.
Just don’t mess around with MI6 😊🇬🇧
I liked A Beautiful Mind a little more. The actors in it were more relatable.
I'm sure the "hormone therapy" caused such horrible physical and mental problems that it drove him to suicide. The idea this was ever an accepted therapy, along with things like frontal lobotomies (cutting out a chunk of your forebrain) is truly horrific. Thank goodness modern has become much more tolerant of behavioral differences.
Oh the clever clever British 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
You’ve got that Kiera look. Not the same but... trying to say you’ve got my damn cute vote! 😇
where do you think the logo for apple came from
It came from the story of Isaac Newton beneath the apple tree. It's very obvious if you see the first-ever Apple logo from 1976.
He's getting his face on a note I believe. I think it's the £5. Not British so not sure.
£50. Starts this June 23rd, which would have been his 109th birthday.
You should watch the show Sherlock with the same actor 😊
The man who ended WW2
Ah yes, the good old days... When you could literally be a war hero and yet still be treated like sub-human garbage for being gay. Calling the allies “the good guys” compared to the Nazis is a relative term, they were just less awful, like diabetes versus cancer, if you had a choice, you’d probably go for the diabetes. Doesn’t make it good. Like the text at the end says, the good things his work accomplished are the lives it saved and the advancements it allowed for in computer science, not about triumphing over evil, because guess what? Turing’s gross mistreatment proves the side that won ain’t so pure either...
When you gonna do Titanic?
Please watch the "Star Trek"-movies ! 🖖
Hey homies can you react to cast away ? Or meet the fockers
Pls watch star wars the force awakens
👍👍👍 I second that
Actually it is quite an amusing film for such a tragic end. Good black humour.
Too bad this movie is beyond historically inaccurate and it’s a direct insult to Turing himself.
People always treat great men like crap but they really like their inventions! Nicola tesla, Alan Turing, heck even Elon Musk was made fun of when he said electric cars are the future! Look at em now! Most people have a very narrow vision and can't see the big picture or potential!
Alan turning committed suicide by taking a bite from a apple laced with cyinide. Think about that next time you see the "Apple" logo......
16:15 it was a VERY different time back in the 40s…
Back then, adherence to religious rules was far more ingrained…the laws of the land and the laws of the bible were far FAR closer…
Doesn’t make it right…but as ugly as modern attitudes to the concept may find such elements of history, it is part of our history, it’s something we as a species learnt to overcome and change…
But that is the other aspect as you point out…it’s NO ONE ELSES BUSINESS aside from the two consenting adults taking part…
The single person who has impacted more lives for the better than any
Alexander Fleming disagrees with you
@@andyh7777 ok iv got to admit your right , but both done some awesome stuff
@@BipoIarbear agreed.
@@andyh7777 random question tho cos while we're learning , iv forgot his name but the guy who invented what went into petroleum added lead and killed more than any one person apparently
@@andyh7777 I feel bad for Turing tho , he was an Olympic standard marathon runner too , he had the chemical castration but the doctor didn't want to be round a gay person every week so they did an implant and was told it would do same job for 2 years (his sentence" typical British humour tho he was asked about it and he said "its still working 4 years after they said it would...thats not playing cricket eh old boy"
If ur not English basically he meant cricket was fair his punishment wasn't
Khaaaaaaaan!!!!!
Watch Warpath trailer
the catholics cared...the anglicans....they still do...time to revise this nonsense we call religion...and just stick to science..
React to children of men. And prisoners
You make me laugh. Marry me?
I always love your reactions!
To get a fuller understanding of the topic, I suggest you watch "Bletchley Park: Code-breaking’s Forgotten Genius" by the BBC: ua-cam.com/video/nKKhCMHTJMs/v-deo.html
It covers the other, and equally vital, technique which allowed Turring's computer to decode the German communications.
lo same x
Please consider watching line of duty. Police TV from the UK that is really popular
The only good thing I can say about that movie is it's great cinematography and the fact that it introduces Turing to ignorant people. In all others aspects it is an abomination. Turing behaves like a jerk. He even fights with his coworkers LOL. It is idiotic to assume that the people who decrypt Enigma have a say in what to do with that information. And to infer that Turing knew about someone of the Cambridge Five is a disgrace of his name and an attempt to spit on his grave. In other words a typical Hollywood production. And this garbage story won the adapted screenplay Oscar of 2013...Though Derek Jacobi is too old and it focuses to much on Turings personal life, the 1996 BBC TV movie "Breaking the code" does give Turing much more credit and doesn't slander him posthumously. Also, a better biopic with Benedict Cumberbatch is the 2004 BBC TV film "Hawking".
I mean it started with gay people and now we have people who think they aren't men or women😂 slippery slope
Grow up
@@gabrielhicks1037 why?