Look at Mariko’s outfit during the “I am not some peasant” scene of this episode 👀 RED ROSES = BLOOD CRIMSON WHITE GARMENT = A BRIGHT SKY Everything that Mariko accomplished in Episode 9 is exactly what “Crimson Sky” was meant to accomplish when it was initially described in Episode 6: “A single, violent rush on Osaka castle that eliminates the council and forms a new government.” I think that Mariko-sama is that “single, violent rush on Osaka castle,” indicating that SHE is the true initiation of “Crimson Sky”… and has been all along. Toranaga’s plan to put “Crimson Sky” into effect depended on Mariko unleashing a quick and lethal attack on Ishido’s authority right in the heart of his stronghold, but to get her (his most powerful Chess piece) into position, he needed Ishido to feel safe (to feel like he had won), and the only way to do that was for Toranaga to completely convince everyone that he had given up fighting (which the death of his son and his closest friend allowed him to do very successfully). This also explains why Toranaga seemed to always keep Mariko-sama by his side, serving a dual purpose (as both a translator and his deadliest weapon hidden in plain sight), why he was upset that Buntaro hit her, why he wanted her to make a final decision about her intentions with Blackthorne, and why he refused to let her end her life too soon (until his plan was ready to be unleashed). “Crimson Sky” is almost like a Shogun version of “R+L=J,” or like Dumbledore hiding Voldemort’s final horcrux in plain sight… carefully preparing it to be sacrificed.
The Ninja suit comes from Japanese theatre. They were wore by people who moved scenery and large props during a play in order to make them blend in with the background and make it obvious that they were not characters in the play. At some point someone decided to write a play where the surprise ending is one of the stage hands performing the assassination of a character, everyone else copied the twist, and now that suit is associated with Shinobi.
Not true. The stereotype of ninjas wearing black came from their depiction in theater, for the reasons you say. But the actual shinobi outfit developed mostly in their attempts to blend in with local workers and infiltrate villages as spies. The dark blue (rather than black) also enabled them to attack in stealth at night, since the blue was harder to see. If you have a chance, I highly recommend a visit to the the Ninja museum in Iga, Japan - you can see their whole (very interesting) history in great detail.
Anna Sawai deserves an Emmy (at least a nomination) for her performance as Hodor. When she said her last word “Hold the door. Hold the door. Ho door. Hodor.”, I cried so hard.
For me I always thought of shinobi as a faction of samurai that practiced carrying out clandestine activities, recon, assassination, sabotage etc. They themselves were samurai, just ones who didn’t fight on the frontlines but instead worked behind the scenes to ensure a battle would be won before it has even begun. Toranaga’s spy in Omi’s village is a good example of one. Not someone wearing dark pyjamas, but instead hiding in plain sight, feeding Toranaga information.
Shinobi translates to spy. The shinobi were expert practicioners of special ops warfare, drawn from two clans in Iga province, which was South of Kyoto. One of the Iga Province Samurai, Hattori Hanzo (yes, he really existed) became a vassal of Tokugawa Ieyasu after the assassination of Oda Nobunaga. As things happened, Ieyasu was on his way to meet with Oda in Kyoto at the Honno-Ji (temple) when Oda was assassinated. Akechi Mitsuhide's troops were out looking for Ieyasu and probably would have caught and killed him if it wasn't for the assistance of the Iga shinobi clans who snuck Ieyasu out of the area of Kyoto and led him to his home province of Mikawa. It was highly secretive, but the Shinobi clans aligned themselves with Tokugagwa when he promised them sanctuary in return for them getting him to safety. They became the eyes and ears of the Tokugawa clan and were instrumental in his eventual victory over the Western coaltion. Spying was an intergal part of the warfare of the Sengoku Jidai and everyone from priests, to maids to bathouse attendants worked as spies for one clan or other. Courtesans like Kiku were gold mines of intelligence.
My girl - (dash) friend said, forgot John... give her Miyai... someone who will Kill and die on her orders and tell her it's his honor. Of course she's never ask him to.
More important than John volunteering to be Mariko’s Second was her initially shaming Ohno from Ishida’s regent council into agreeing to be her Second after the courtyard battle. Just like Mariko’s making the regent council acknowledge they’re hostages, and like Mariko’s sacrifice in the storeroom, even that request for Ohno designed to further drive a wedge in the regent council, most likely for alliance shifts in Ep10.
The clans backing Ishido were doing so out of coercion, as he held the hostages. Ishido was universally loathed, especially after the murder of Lord Sugiyama and his family. The hostages were his trump card and of course this is why Mariko was sent to release them, to undermine the support for Ishido. Hostage diplomacy was common in the Sengoku period, often used to secure guarantees and alliances. The real life counterpart of Toranaga, Tokugawa Ieyasu, spent his formative years as a hostage.
It wasn't Ohno it was Iiyama (?) that Mariko requested to second her. Ohno is the one with Leprosy. I had to LOL when Iiyama called for a meeting -- I was literally flashing back to The Life of Brian!
Like your channel! I been watching it since Shogun actually premiered! My biggest Question is how the heck are they going to crunch so much material in the last episode with a run time of just 1 hour & 3 minutes? We don’t need a rushed ending of what I like to call the “GOT season 8” effect. 😅 I hope they can give us a 15-20 minute sequence of the Battle of Sekigahara.
I don't think I recall hearing Blackthorne addressing Mariko with the Sama honorific after her request in episode 1 or 2. Yeah, it was tough to watch her near death by seppuku as well as the scene in the storeroom. I was really pumped when she was telling Ishido off and standing firm with Ochiba. Yeah, they really de-emphasized the love story (the '80 series was primarily a love story) and yeah there has been near zero telling of the Euro story since episode 3. I get a more neg vibe from the Christian angle in this version -- Alvito comes off as decent in both but the Bishop is portrayed in a more negative light in this version, the captain is just as foul in both.
A full taiga drama about Tokugawa Ieyasu’s life would be much better for immersion. We will have time to understand where he’s coming from. This show with just 10 eps portraying him in a god mode right away and he stays a god until the end. Zero character development.
Going in blind I would say I enjoyed it, but this episode in particular was so dark I couldn't make out what on earth was happening for a good portion of it. Which was a real shame. In stark contrast I watched Samurai I: Musashi Miyamoto straight after and it seemed so vibrant, the colours popping off screen beautifully, worlds apart from this series which is often dull, washed out, muddy. As I say, I have enjoyed it but for me it isn't a keeper.
What's funny is this was probably the only episode it didn't rain the entire time. Yeah I had a hard time seeing anything especially while editing this video. Japan should be portrayed as vibrant not dark and gloomy.
@@bushidoblues9302 It was filmed in Canada so the color grading is dark as hell but yeah, Japan should have been more colorful. It’s a “land of the rising sun” after all.
idk why they just dont change the door thing, mariko has to die i understand that, but why they cant make her just die to the ninjas or something like that?
Agreed. I mean, they changed other things, some for the worse. The door death never made sense because she wouldn't have stopped that blast, and why would the ninjas put her at risk if they wanted to capture her alive.
Mariko slept with John twice. She did commit adultery she should have been in mourning the first time. And facing death doesn't excuse adultery. And her husband offered to allow her to die. She refused him and spit in his face. Finally, had her husband been there, he would certainly have been her second if he was aware that Toranaga ordered it.
It feels like there's a shift in the culture, like people have noticed all of the consequences of atheist nihilism and many millions of people are destined to have awful lives because of it. People with sense are turning back to God now and it's becoming unfashionable to be anti-Christian.
Unfortunately, I find it very difficult to banish from thought Cosmo's acting. Noticing the involuntary start he gives when he flings the coil of rope over his shoulder, cringissimo. (And what's with that coil in the first place? He 'does' nothing with it, it serves no purpose. It's a metaphor for his place: un-utilized, for show only. It's a big part of why this show fails to 'land' with me.) As for Mariko, she, too, fails to land. I could scarcely care less that about her death. Which should bother me, I suppose, but I never felt she was vulnerable in the the way that, say, Fuji was vulnerable.Too much 'Eightfold Fence.' How much can you care about a Russian drone?
So very disappointed at the lack of action in the series after watching zatoichi, lone wolf and cub, bounty hunter and shadow warriors. Each of those episodes had plenty of sword fights.
I find it amusing that the more showrunners focus on Mariko in their podcasts, the more people comment on how interesting and appealing other characters are. So, no, I'm not upset, and I think this will hopefully, and finally, release the Shogun from its Mariko cage. I didn't like the death scene either.
Look at Mariko’s outfit during the “I am not some peasant” scene of this episode 👀
RED ROSES = BLOOD CRIMSON
WHITE GARMENT = A BRIGHT SKY
Everything that Mariko accomplished in Episode 9 is exactly what “Crimson Sky” was meant to accomplish when it was initially described in Episode 6: “A single, violent rush on Osaka castle that eliminates the council and forms a new government.” I think that Mariko-sama is that “single, violent rush on Osaka castle,” indicating that SHE is the true initiation of “Crimson Sky”… and has been all along.
Toranaga’s plan to put “Crimson Sky” into effect depended on Mariko unleashing a quick and lethal attack on Ishido’s authority right in the heart of his stronghold, but to get her (his most powerful Chess piece) into position, he needed Ishido to feel safe (to feel like he had won), and the only way to do that was for Toranaga to completely convince everyone that he had given up fighting (which the death of his son and his closest friend allowed him to do very successfully).
This also explains why Toranaga seemed to always keep Mariko-sama by his side, serving a dual purpose (as both a translator and his deadliest weapon hidden in plain sight), why he was upset that Buntaro hit her, why he wanted her to make a final decision about her intentions with Blackthorne, and why he refused to let her end her life too soon (until his plan was ready to be unleashed).
“Crimson Sky” is almost like a Shogun version of “R+L=J,” or like Dumbledore hiding Voldemort’s final horcrux in plain sight… carefully preparing it to be sacrificed.
So we'll written. 100% agreed
The Ninja suit comes from Japanese theatre. They were wore by people who moved scenery and large props during a play in order to make them blend in with the background and make it obvious that they were not characters in the play. At some point someone decided to write a play where the surprise ending is one of the stage hands performing the assassination of a character, everyone else copied the twist, and now that suit is associated with Shinobi.
Wow this needs to be more well known!
@jonlannister345 @bushidoblues9302 And what are the sources for this information?
@@KhunGongPha This isn't reddit. If you really want to know, whether you agree or disagree, you'll actually just google it.
Bunraku puppet theatre is what you're referring to.
Not true. The stereotype of ninjas wearing black came from their depiction in theater, for the reasons you say. But the actual shinobi outfit developed mostly in their attempts to blend in with local workers and infiltrate villages as spies. The dark blue (rather than black) also enabled them to attack in stealth at night, since the blue was harder to see. If you have a chance, I highly recommend a visit to the the Ninja museum in Iga, Japan - you can see their whole (very interesting) history in great detail.
Anna Sawai deserves an Emmy (at least a nomination) for her performance as Hodor.
When she said her last word “Hold the door. Hold the door. Ho door. Hodor.”, I cried so hard.
Lmao!!!
Hold the dooooooor!
Or the part before that when she said "It's Mariko'in time"
HODOR! Shinobi stand in for white walkers 😅.
For me I always thought of shinobi as a faction of samurai that practiced carrying out clandestine activities, recon, assassination, sabotage etc. They themselves were samurai, just ones who didn’t fight on the frontlines but instead worked behind the scenes to ensure a battle would be won before it has even begun.
Toranaga’s spy in Omi’s village is a good example of one. Not someone wearing dark pyjamas, but instead hiding in plain sight, feeding Toranaga information.
Shinobi translates to spy. The shinobi were expert practicioners of special ops warfare, drawn from two clans in Iga province, which was South of Kyoto. One of the Iga Province Samurai, Hattori Hanzo (yes, he really existed) became a vassal of Tokugawa Ieyasu after the assassination of Oda Nobunaga. As things happened, Ieyasu was on his way to meet with Oda in Kyoto at the Honno-Ji (temple) when Oda was assassinated. Akechi Mitsuhide's troops were out looking for Ieyasu and probably would have caught and killed him if it wasn't for the assistance of the Iga shinobi clans who snuck Ieyasu out of the area of Kyoto and led him to his home province of Mikawa. It was highly secretive, but the Shinobi clans aligned themselves with Tokugagwa when he promised them sanctuary in return for them getting him to safety. They became the eyes and ears of the Tokugawa clan and were instrumental in his eventual victory over the Western coaltion. Spying was an intergal part of the warfare of the Sengoku Jidai and everyone from priests, to maids to bathouse attendants worked as spies for one clan or other. Courtesans like Kiku were gold mines of intelligence.
My girl - (dash) friend said, forgot John... give her Miyai... someone who will Kill and die on her orders and tell her it's his honor. Of course she's never ask him to.
More important than John volunteering to be Mariko’s Second was her initially shaming Ohno from Ishida’s regent council into agreeing to be her Second after the courtyard battle. Just like Mariko’s making the regent council acknowledge they’re hostages, and like Mariko’s sacrifice in the storeroom, even that request for Ohno designed to further drive a wedge in the regent council, most likely for alliance shifts in Ep10.
That's a great point!
The clans backing Ishido were doing so out of coercion, as he held the hostages. Ishido was universally loathed, especially after the murder of Lord Sugiyama and his family. The hostages were his trump card and of course this is why Mariko was sent to release them, to undermine the support for Ishido. Hostage diplomacy was common in the Sengoku period, often used to secure guarantees and alliances. The real life counterpart of Toranaga, Tokugawa Ieyasu, spent his formative years as a hostage.
It wasn't Ohno it was Iiyama (?) that Mariko requested to second her. Ohno is the one with Leprosy. I had to LOL when Iiyama called for a meeting -- I was literally flashing back to The Life of Brian!
Kiyama
Like your channel! I been watching it since Shogun actually premiered!
My biggest Question is how the heck are they going to crunch so much material in the last episode with a run time of just 1 hour & 3 minutes?
We don’t need a rushed ending of what I like to call the “GOT season 8” effect. 😅
I hope they can give us a 15-20 minute sequence of the Battle of Sekigahara.
I don't think I recall hearing Blackthorne addressing Mariko with the Sama honorific after her request in episode 1 or 2. Yeah, it was tough to watch her near death by seppuku as well as the scene in the storeroom. I was really pumped when she was telling Ishido off and standing firm with Ochiba. Yeah, they really de-emphasized the love story (the '80 series was primarily a love story) and yeah there has been near zero telling of the Euro story since episode 3. I get a more neg vibe from the Christian angle in this version -- Alvito comes off as decent in both but the Bishop is portrayed in a more negative light in this version, the captain is just as foul in both.
It's a pretty interesting show but I forgot to care about any of the characters and in the end it feels like nothing really happened.
Yeah I didn't feel much for them either.
A full taiga drama about Tokugawa Ieyasu’s life would be much better for immersion. We will have time to understand where he’s coming from.
This show with just 10 eps portraying him in a god mode right away and he stays a god until the end. Zero character development.
As the young people say, this one got me in the feels.
Going in blind I would say I enjoyed it, but this episode in particular was so dark I couldn't make out what on earth was happening for a good portion of it. Which was a real shame. In stark contrast I watched Samurai I: Musashi Miyamoto straight after and it seemed so vibrant, the colours popping off screen beautifully, worlds apart from this series which is often dull, washed out, muddy. As I say, I have enjoyed it but for me it isn't a keeper.
What's funny is this was probably the only episode it didn't rain the entire time. Yeah I had a hard time seeing anything especially while editing this video. Japan should be portrayed as vibrant not dark and gloomy.
@@bushidoblues9302 It was filmed in Canada so the color grading is dark as hell but yeah, Japan should have been more colorful. It’s a “land of the rising sun” after all.
idk why they just dont change the door thing, mariko has to die i understand that, but why they cant make her just die to the ninjas or something like that?
Agreed. I mean, they changed other things, some for the worse. The door death never made sense because she wouldn't have stopped that blast, and why would the ninjas put her at risk if they wanted to capture her alive.
Mariko slept with John twice. She did commit adultery she should have been in mourning the first time. And facing death doesn't excuse adultery. And her husband offered to allow her to die. She refused him and spit in his face. Finally, had her husband been there, he would certainly have been her second if he was aware that Toranaga ordered it.
It feels like there's a shift in the culture, like people have noticed all of the consequences of atheist nihilism and many millions of people are destined to have awful lives because of it. People with sense are turning back to God now and it's becoming unfashionable to be anti-Christian.
Yeah, I've noticed that, too! I like the change!
Unfortunately, I find it very difficult to banish from thought Cosmo's acting. Noticing the involuntary start he gives when he flings the coil of rope over his shoulder, cringissimo. (And what's with that coil in the first place? He 'does' nothing with it, it serves no purpose. It's a metaphor for his place: un-utilized, for show only. It's a big part of why this show fails to 'land' with me.)
As for Mariko, she, too, fails to land. I could scarcely care less that about her death. Which should bother me, I suppose, but I never felt she was vulnerable in the the way that, say, Fuji was vulnerable.Too much 'Eightfold Fence.' How much can you care about a Russian drone?
It's hard to feel much of anything for the characters unfortunately.
That damn door man!🤣🤣🤣🤣
The door is it's own character at this point. Lol
Hodor-Mariko-sama.
So very disappointed at the lack of action in the series after watching zatoichi, lone wolf and cub, bounty hunter and shadow warriors. Each of those episodes had plenty of sword fights.
They built up multiple episodes for nothing unfortunately.
I find it amusing that the more showrunners focus on Mariko in their podcasts, the more people comment on how interesting and appealing other characters are. So, no, I'm not upset, and I think this will hopefully, and finally, release the Shogun from its Mariko cage. I didn't like the death scene either.
Too bad it couldn't happen sooner.
@@bushidoblues9302 😂🤣
Whit all due respect greetings from San Diego CA.
Greetings!
This is a remake from xogum movie 1980, game over mariko