Whoa whoa. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you but I remember the OG Star Wars fans were complaining about the acrobatics in the prequels compared to the original trilogy. Now we’re back to complaining the the sequel trilogy choreography when in actuality the sequel trilogy is closer to the original in terms of lightsaber duels. Things really do circle back around.
@@alcoballic9593The actual problem isn't the choreography, newer star wars duels are filmed using primarily the over shoulder camera view, with a lot of video cuts. Instead of a zoomed out size view like the prequels, so it makes the choreography look uninteresting. They should go back to wide shots from the side like the prequels.
@@alcoballic9593 The Newer ones are god awful because there are several points in the duel where it feels good but the rest is jsut them swinging a heavy sword even though its light as fuck
@@OldBuggaboo The SFX people who get payed like 20 times as much as the old people and are able to animate this shi in a cartoon? Yeah changing choreography so the SFX team doesn't have to work as hard is wild.
I don't think that's a good enough reason tho , the vader vs kenobi fight in the obi wan kenobi series which uses the new lightsabers by disney is the closest we've seen to the prequels
@@mnomadvfxI mean, it was the supposed Choosen One, one of the strongest Jedis to ever exist powered by the Dark Side, against his own master that taught him most of what he knows. If there could be a duel that is overkill, it should be that one.
@dominickeijzer5844 Basically, if you want good choreography, go watch dancing. A movie is about the story telling. There's a reason the OT is loved so much more than the prequels. It's because they didn't waste our time with CGI nonsense. It's all about the character moments. Luke losing his mentor, finding out Darth Vader is his father and ultimately rejecting the dark side. These moments were far more well loved than flashy lights and more flashy lights and overacting and then even more flashy lights
@@leikfroakies How about emotional moments like the forming chasm between student and mentor, two brothers being forced apart by combat? Or, how about a battle for the fate of the universe? Those can be emotional.
@@kirrintherouge7107 There is weight to normal swords too, but real practitioners don’t go around just swinging them randomly, the point I and the OP are making is that there are real forms for lightsaber combat and Kylo Ren never seems to use any of them.
@@asian_nerd11 disney made it like that cus they said that it isn't realistic by swinging lightsaber like that so they changed it instead of aiming on body to aiming and hitting the blade
@@cirrusfox8052 guard sabers like kylo’s actually do have weight if anything the way he swings it shows how strong he is because you’re supposed to hold it with two hands
@@mayukhpatro1882That was only in episode 4, and it wasn't even metal it was reflective tape(the same stuff on stop signs and construction vests) Corridor Crew made an entire video on it
Well, the entire Jedi order collapsed, and quite a few sith like Dooku and Vader were trained by the Jedi order, so canonically, the prequels Jedi had thousands of years of discipline and practice behind them, and Kyle Ren was very poorly trained by a Jedi who was trained by a few old masters without the rest of the order.
You mean Vader vs obi wan…… Yeah I just dead a dumbfounded move…. But it’s still the same on a certain point of view…. But at least the obi wan series duels aren’t even base ball bats and just like proper swords (mainly because of Vader’s limitations and obi wan’s ptsd)
This right here is the correct answer ^ The jedi/sith from the republic era had training from a young age and were brought from apprentice to master in lightsaber forms and styles. Lightsaber wielders from the new republic/first order time period have very little education and training as there isn't exactly schools/temples around to teach them.
@@FireSparq They still had a military that utilized batons, so they should have had a basic understanding to their use. I also find it hard to believe that recordings of sword duels and close quarter combat didn't exist.
in canon, lightsabers vibrate worse than a high priced marital aid. They are legitimately difficult to wield effectively, even if you're skilled in normal swordplay, and force attunement helps you subtly move your hand to compensate for it which explains why Finn or Rey would have a hard time, but the only reason Kylo would be having trouble is if he's stopped listening to the force (given his erratic state of mind throughout, this is a possibility)
Stfu y'all bitch about how flashy the light Saber duels were in the prequels now that it's grounded and sloppy it now sucks star wars fans don know what they want and never happy this is the worst fanbase other fans of any franchise should never be like a star wars fanboy nothing there useless nothing good there not happy
Well ATOTC Anakin and obi vs dooku was not great but far better then any sequel fight Edit: also the fight im talking about isn't bad because of the choreography it's bad bc of the bad camera work/angles
@@cooperdesrocher6046 what? in what way is the camera work bad? I have heard A LOT of complaints about the Prequels but the camera work and the lightsaber fights have never one of them
Let me repeat it for you, the camera work is BAD with a capital B. It's a lame CGI shitfest that tries to turn Jedi into Marvel Superheros instead of a decent swordfight with real stakes. Prequel fights are over-coreographed, silly, cartoonish, and undermine the original trilogy's more deliberate and drama-oriented fights.
@@JamesNixon-b7pcompletely agree. And dont get me wrong. I actually like AoTC. Like, if might be one of the most important movies in the original 6.. everything plot wise really comes from episode 2. But the whole duel sequence at the end, dooku vs obi / anakin, and dooku vs yoda, was shot so terribly. They really tried with the yoda CGI, and with christopher lees limitations and them trying to actually include him in as many shots allows me to forgive that duel and find joy in it. But how they shot anakin vs dooku, and the whole scene, was BAD. again, choreography good, filming bad.
Choreography was the whole problem, it threw all realism through the window. Are you fighting for your life or dancing ? Ren chose knight-style over kapoera, how is that wrong ?
@@romdorezIt ain't about realism, it's a movie about people in another galaxy who travel to other planets and fight eachother with glowing swords over random beefs and use some force of nature that exists there in order to fight eachother, since when was it supposed to be realistic? It's meant to be appealing and look cool, since it IS fiction.
Back then: getting stabbed with a lightsaber meant literal death Now: getting stabbed with a light saber is like taking a paintball shot Edit: because people keep bringing it up, darth maul didn’t just wake up in a hospital bed totally fine, his hatred for obi wan kept him alive (barely) and even then he needed prosthetics and couldn’t even fight the same. In the comic darth sion was practically immortal because of this.
Exactly, back then the reality of how a light saber would work as it ionizes and vaporizes everything around the wound would result in such a strike as we saw in Qui Gon being fatal. Now every MF'er and their mom survives that kind of damage.... It's like light sabers aren't even dangerous anymore. Not to mention light sabers in current Disney fashion seem incapable of cutting through anything.
@@Shishomuru exactly it’s like all of a sudden Jedi have tungsten steel guts or something but conveniently they can cut a door down or one shot a storm trooper. It’s just backwards
@SebastianStangl-nk8gq they actually made a reason for why/how he survived, and he never actually got his bottom half back. Instead, he had to find an alternative form of legs
Oh you mean that annoying Long Range Weapon, I fking hate Long range and Heavy Weapons in Shadow Fight 2, Tridents are annoying in SF2, I only love Tridents in Minecraft🗿
Damn what a game it was. Brought back my memories. But you know whats the saddest part? After the gates of shadow incident, i used mod as the progress became real slow and i reget it real bad. But the journey was fun.
I think the best lightsaber choreography I’ve ever seen is in those Old Republic trailers. When that guy fought both Sith Lords duel wielding a double and single blade, I literally crapped my pants
Sir Christopher Lee (count Dooku) was a trained and very experienced swordsman, for decades and decades. Dooku's style and mannerisms make him iconic, just like the man who played them. Where'd the dedication to the craft go...
To be honest it does look cooler the old way but anyone with weapons training will tell you it's a bunch of unnecessary movement in reality... although it does take time to learn it all ...that being said the new movies is like watching kids play fight with sticks
Uh no, back then in looked like 2 oaf heads dancing with led sticks. Now it looks like actual dueling. And before you say "Uh but it's supposed to be sci fi and lightsabers are not swords" it's a lightSABER so it would make sense if the duels were closer to realism, even in a sci fi franchise
Form? Are you kidding? The Original Trilogy had WAY better form than Both of these trilogies. Obi wan vs Vader has based off of 1500s Japanese Samurai dueling and Luke vs Vader (Episode 6) was based off fencing and traditional European sword fighting. A competent and practical duelist looks more from the OT than PT or ST. Can you guys stop blowing up my notifications. There’s a reason I stopped responding to the prequel fanboys.
To be fair, Finn and Ray were not trained, and Ren was half trained. Of course Finn and Ray are going to have no idea how to use a lightsaber properly, let alone have grace while doing it
Well my friend that's how all close-combat weapons are supposed to be used. As an extension of one's body. That's why older saber combat was better bc they understand this type of shit
@@andrewtallman1867 Ren could've had access to the Holocubes to learn better forms, they couldn't have destroyed all the ones that were in the Jedi Temple's library.
Bingo, the prequels were treated too harshly considering the absolute dog shit we got afterwards. The only objectively GOOD live action Star Wars we've gotten since the Prequels is Rogue One and Andor.
The real reason is because the haters are now old and nobody cares about them. The kids that grew up with the prequels are now the majority and have the loudest opinion on the internet. In 20 years the internet will be talking about how good the sequels are.
The reason lightsaber battles are slower is because now the lightsabers have all these lights and electronics in them to make them look better and give scenes good lighting, but that also makes them heavier and more difficult to swing around. So it’s a trade off, do you want prettier scenes and cooler lightsabers or do you want faster fights and better choreography.
Like notice the difference between movies. The sequels lightsabers look so much better and the lighting is just exquisite. While in the prequels they are colored rods of light. I am in no way saying the sequels are better, I am just saying that they new what they were doing and made the decision
No I'm pretty sure there is no choreography but they still give them vague instructions like "Rey should absolutely win despite Kylo Ren showing more mastery and experience" "kylo ren have to look very agressive while attacking" but nothing more
@luckydust4375 the writing is terrible like how are you gonna have hux devote his life to the first order and kill billions only to make him a spy for the resistance💀💀💀
Further? Prequels are previous to old republic. Also this is talking about real life coreographies, its pretty easy (i know its everything but easy) editing it virtually (sorry for english), but doing this kindda stuff in rl... Prequel actors had to train for literal months
Bro honestly Finn shouldnt have even been able to block a single strike force wielders are said to be really fast and all the other lightsaber fights are supposed to be in slow motion which is what we see so either kylo was really really slow and weakened or Disney just forgot that force speed was a thing
@@ActionFigureMagic Stormtroopers don't get training with Lighsabers. Only Martial arts, blaster shooting training and many other trainings to harden them up. But not definitely lightsaber training
that would be to unfair that duel is one of the greatest things ever put to screen nothing it's literally the best thing to ever come out of star wars universe
For me the only unforgettable Lightsabrebattles where Obiwan vs Anakin in ROTS (though it looked awful at times), the Quigon vs Darth Maul one in Phantom Menace (also due to the music) and .... OK that was it. They are way overused in SW movies and that caused it to be nothing special anymore. Though I did like the setting and the colors in the Rey/Kylo fight during the winterscene in Force Awakens.
@@MaltianStudiosOfficialSure for Kylo... But all the others in the Disney Star Wars swings tge damn thing the same way.... They captured none of the uniqueness and flow of the previous lightsaber fights...
@@MaltianStudiosOfficial they can't be that much heavier since the weight is still just in the hilt and also Force users are supposed to have enhanced speed and strength
By OG, you mean the original trilogy? If so, then I have no qualms - the original trilogy used choreography from actual swordfighting techniques (obviously adapted and changed a bit for movie flare). The prequel lightsaber fights are by far the most ridiculous of the entire series, including shows.
I think its cause the people in episode 7,8,9 just arent good with the force and have little training with the lightsaber (and kylo is just bad and constantly angry) reason 1,2,3 are good is caused they are taught since birth and know what to do.
One thing about the lightsabers from the newer movies that I noticed is that it looks like each swing, the saber is carrying a lot of weight behind it. Like how the dark saber is heavy when it’s first used but the more the user uses it, it gets lighter
The reason for the changes come from inconsistent decisions from Lucas. In the original trilogy the savers were Excalibur like baton swords that were heavy. Mark hamil lives in Japan in between empire and Jedi and brought back the idea of faster motion and bring back some original inspiration from Japanese samurai duels that Lucas took inspiration from. The prequels amped it up to an extreme by making the sabers so light and excessive flashy moves. JJ Abrahms retook inspiration from Samurai films and brought back kendo and the logical step of adding force powers into the fights. Didn't make the story better till last Jedi but then it becomes a you ruined my childhood with a grown up interpretation of how massive a failure Luke made in training and not stopping Kylo Ren. I don't want a war in comments about why you didn't like a movie but just wanted to add to why the duels look so radically different.
@@yesmeanshhsofficial well according to the lore (or at least my understanding of it) a lightsaber gets it’s weight from the emotions of it’s user so people are angrier and don’t know how to use their anger to wield the sabers properly
Lightsaber fighting used to be a masterpiece of art. Ppl spent years learning the techniques of it. What they do now is smt a child can easily perform like bro😭
Man Lightsaber duels back in the day actually felt like they were using styles you would see someone who knew fencing or duelling with an actual sword use. Now they just wildly swing it around like a baseball bat.
@@Viggy7819 or the absolute dog shit slice Ben did to snoke. They did an already awful (barely even relevant) villain, pretty damn bad. He was bad enough, don’t give him the most pathetic death ever.
@@Svarkomyimo the first one was in episode 1:The phantom Menace Where near the end(spoiler qui dies) young obi wan slices maul in half with qui gon's saber
OG Trilogy: Learned how to make fights good as the movies went. Prequel Trilogy: Actually got actors trained in sword fighting. Sequel Trilogy: Trained actors with Star Wars Kinect and called it a day.
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Not only Rey Skywalker is the most well written Star Wars character such as having the greatest struggles and training (one second of her training regime is infinite time harder than what the greatest the Jedi Knights or Sith Lords has gone through in their training to become a full-fledged warriors), with greatest character development and in not only in Star Wars, but all of fiction. She is the most powerful duelist and fighter. Obviously the most powerful force user with unmatched potential too, infinite times more powerful than full potential Anakin Skywalker. She is also the best starship captain, no one can compete at her level and match her natural talent and skills and also her full potential. Why do people underrate Rey Skywalker for no good reason, although she is the greatest character and part of the masterpiece of the sequel trilogy? I don’t know, but most of the die hard fans or real Star Wars fans in the Star Wars community would say Rey Skywalker is the greatest character in Star Wars and all of fiction. Rey Skywalker is in fact the greatest Skywalker and Palpatine, but also the greatest and also the most powerful Star Wars character, in general and also in terms of writing. Rey is also considered to be one of the most powerful characters in fiction, some experts say she is levels above the One Above All. Her character’s writing and arc are considered to be one of the greatest outside of Star Wars, but also in cinema or all of the stories. She is considered to be one of the greatest and most iconic characters in cinema, even more iconic than Darth Vader by infinite times which makes Rey Skywalker the most iconic Star Wars character and Disney princess. Although according to experts she's the most powerful character not only in Star Wars, but in fiction, her insane struggles and greatest upbringing or backstory makes her the most tragic character in all of fiction. Her character arc would make any famous and well-known Ancient Greek story-tellers cry and admit their greatest tragic stories, or story as a whole in general are nothing compared to the story of Rey Skywalker (more difficult than the rest of Star Wars characters and rest of characters in all of fiction) makes her the most relatable character and hardships to become a Jedi is insanely difficult and especially trying to resist the dark side. Rey Skywalker’s potential is greater than Anakin’s power and full potential. She is not only the greatest leader and candidate for woman empowerment, she is the only embodiment for it. Instead of fighting who is the best and greatest character in Star Wars. Or also the greatest trilogy in Star Wars. Let’s all admit and say the real truth and reality, Rey Skywalker is in fact the greatest masterpiece of a character in Star Wars and the sequel trilogy has the greatest movies in Star Wars. Also, the sequel trilogy in Star Wars is the greatest trilogy in all of cinema, and considered to be greater than Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy and the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Even the experts and the best or legendary directors such as George Lucas, Peter Jackson, James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, and etc consider all the three movies of the sequel trilogy in Star Wars to be the greatest movies in history. Please no more fighting and bashing other characters, especially Rey Skywalker to say your favorite character is the best, especially Darth Vader or Anakin Skywalker whom Rey Skywalker the real GOAT is infinite times better as a character in writing and relatable, and also more powerful.
With Christopher Lee's age on that time, some movement might be done by stunt double, but Christopher Lee himself is also a skilled fencer to begin with. Credits to them to make the movement look so good.
Some of those prequel duel gave me literal chills. And seeing the actors work so damn hard to perfect and choreograph those movements with actual trained professionals who do this for a living is awesome. Sometimes people can miss it, as it all happens so fast. If you really slow down to pay attention to every action, you truly start to see the real beauty of what Lucas did all those years ago
And it's all completely empty of emotion, or any sense of risk or danger. You know the whole thing is choreographed, nobody is fighting for their lives, they just fight to show off. The Mace Windu vs Sidious one is the absolute nadir of this. They just swing their weapons around secure in the knowledge they know where the other guy is going to be in the next 5, 10, 20 seconds. The OT and TFA, they actually let one character look over confident, or terrified, or surprised at a move. Yoda bounces around like a maniac and the whole time Dooku is just "hep hop yep now he goes over here and next up is the overhead leap and yep dip dop three moves before I disengage and run away in my space probe lap dap..."
@@gospelofrye6881 it makes sense why they arent showing more emotion as for the jedi they where taught to show no emotion and are all expert duelists that are confident in there ability as for both Palpatine and dooku dooku is not only ex jedi but he is one of the best duelists in the entire series and in any martial art the most important tenet is stay calm and even then dooku showed distress when anakin was overpowering him and lopped his hand off plapatine is a master in both dueling and the force but yoda is as well meaning hye needed to focus completely on the duel with yoda to get the results he wanted
@@gospelofrye6881 not really its just simple logic pro duelists are calm because they are pros they wouldn't be pros without keeping themselves composed that's the most important lesson that almost all professanal skills share a need to be calm while preforming a emotionally or physically stressing task
@@gospelofrye6881The OT and sequel duels are boring asl we don’t care about realism, we want flashy and long lasting duels and the prequels gave us just that. And why would they need to fear for their lives? All the duels we see in the prequels are between experienced duelists(in the movies) so they should be plenty confident in their abilities
Finaly they kinda fixed it in ashoka episode 5 the lightsaber battle between ashoka and anakin were like the old days. It kinda proves that lightsaber skill has gone down alot in the years. It shows how much better the jedis from the clone wars and well yea the original 3 films were.
Their hard work shows. The fights look great. In the newer films, it looks like the actors had much less training, and the filmmakers try to hide this by camera movements, which make the scenes so much less enjoyable.
Days? Try weeks. Maybe even months. Daisy Ridley claims that she had to spend weeks training with her lightsaber. It sure as heck didn’t come across on film, that’s for damn sure. Heck, The Baseball Furies treated their baseball bats more like swords in their fight against The Warriors than Ma’Rey Sue and Cry-Lo Ren did in their entire movie trilogy.
@@emet7462 yes sure it's a bit unfair, But not to this extent. Kylo ren should be way better at fighting especially since he is better than all of the knights of ren and trained first by luke and then by snoke. I can buy the fact that rey (in the first movie) was bad, but both of them should be way better fighters, especially by the third installment. Even besides their skill look at the styles. In the prequels, every character had a unique style of fighting, reflecting of their character, now it's just so bland.
Kylo ren: *holding a lightsaber like it’s massive sledge hammer* Meanwhile Anakin: *proceeds to hold and use two lightsabers like it is nothing* Edit: Many people said why Kylos lightsaber is heavy and I’m aware :\
well to be fair yodas lightsaber was made to fit yoda so he could use it properly, kylos lightsaber was just made to fit nothing of kylo ren its just a lightsaber -_- L Ren tbh
Small old Yoda: had hundreds of years of professional training at the height of the art. Kylo Ren: had a few years of homeschooling from someone who never finished their own training, dropped out because he had an attitude problem.
To call her forms with a lightsaber as experience would be an insult to the old movies, I do agree with you saying it makes sense but that's not even a bit of experience, that's just plot armor giving her an edge.
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Get your own lightsaber from Blazing Sabers!
(PS: They're not baseball bats)
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Buddy if you hate the new Star wars battles then just start a riot to end the series where it is
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Disney treats Lightsabers as if they're glowing baseball bats.
Exactly.. they are made of light so they aint even heavy, thats why they are so dangerous and fast..
There probably just baseball bats just with cgi
Edit, thanks for the 1k :)
In Kenobi, light sabers couldn’t even cut through plastic storm trooper armor
True ha
their sabers looks heavy
Lightsabers before:
One missed hit and you're humiliated
One missed block and you’re dead
@@deltastorm2107 Anakin was especially ingloriously deprived of his limbs. 🫣😬😰
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lightsabers now will give you a mild concussion
@@goober-k4xwhich is really retarded.
The duels back then were so beautifully choreographed...
Whoa whoa. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you but I remember the OG Star Wars fans were complaining about the acrobatics in the prequels compared to the original trilogy. Now we’re back to complaining the the sequel trilogy choreography when in actuality the sequel trilogy is closer to the original in terms of lightsaber duels. Things really do circle back around.
@@alcoballic9593so, basically you’re saying the OG Trilogy doesn’t have the best Lightsaber effects?
@@alcoballic9593The actual problem isn't the choreography, newer star wars duels are filmed using primarily the over shoulder camera view, with a lot of video cuts. Instead of a zoomed out size view like the prequels, so it makes the choreography look uninteresting. They should go back to wide shots from the side like the prequels.
@@alcoballic9593 The Newer ones are god awful because there are several points in the duel where it feels good but the rest is jsut them swinging a heavy sword even though its light as fuck
@@alcoballic9593finally someone who gets the irony ahahhaah.
Explanation: ever since Disney got Star Wars they've been using light up swords, which are heavier than the plastic ones they used before
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It also helps with the lighting sfx! special effect artists and animators love having real reference points to use to make the effect more realistic.
Classic case of if it ain't broke don't fix it
@@OldBuggaboo The SFX people who get payed like 20 times as much as the old people and are able to animate this shi in a cartoon?
Yeah changing choreography so the SFX team doesn't have to work as hard is wild.
I don't think that's a good enough reason tho , the vader vs kenobi fight in the obi wan kenobi series which uses the new lightsabers by disney is the closest we've seen to the prequels
It’s a crime to not show Anakin vs Obi-wan in episode three
Why?
Sooo much hand waiving.
@@mnomadvfx hand waiving? I dont understand
i think i know why: it's overkill
@@riokinsey2134 so many lightsaber twirl/spin for no reason
@@mnomadvfxI mean, it was the supposed Choosen One, one of the strongest Jedis to ever exist powered by the Dark Side, against his own master that taught him most of what he knows.
If there could be a duel that is overkill, it should be that one.
Episode 1,2 & 3 had the best lightsaber fights hands down.
Cringe take
@joshtyler1300 Original trilogy fights are goated
@@leikfroakiesFeel free to explain to me how 2 old men with walking sticks is better than Mustafar.
@dominickeijzer5844 Basically, if you want good choreography, go watch dancing. A movie is about the story telling. There's a reason the OT is loved so much more than the prequels. It's because they didn't waste our time with CGI nonsense. It's all about the character moments. Luke losing his mentor, finding out Darth Vader is his father and ultimately rejecting the dark side. These moments were far more well loved than flashy lights and more flashy lights and overacting and then even more flashy lights
@@leikfroakies How about emotional moments like the forming chasm between student and mentor, two brothers being forced apart by combat? Or, how about a battle for the fate of the universe? Those can be emotional.
Back then, lightsabers were weilded by jedi and sith, and now they were held by very, very angry children
Makes sense with how the story went
Back then, handful of Sith and thousands of Jedi. Now, less than a hand count for both side.
Nobody train them as a proper fighter.
@@KzKellZz same brain dude. same brain
It's because they weren't made by George Lucas
@@anggieseptiandewanto3781 then:
thousands of sith, and thousands of jedi
Baby Yoda swinging that light saber is better than what Disney made in past couple of years
Back then: elegant and lethal
Now: so uncivilized
You mean all the pointless flourishes 😂 prequels are so shit
@@SpecialOrder935Let me guess…are you another shitty fan of Disney bullshit?
@@SpecialOrder935they are not pointless, you just don't understand how light sabers work
@@goon009
I know how sword fighting works I practiced HEMA for years 😂
@@SpecialOrder935 light sabers are not swords, like I said you dont know how they work and That's ok
Kylo ren just swings lightsaber as if it was baseball bat
There is weight to lightsabers my guy
Edit:this was a test, you all passed there really isn’t any weight to lightsabers
Ass or tits?
@@kirrintherouge7107 There is weight to normal swords too, but real practitioners don’t go around just swinging them randomly, the point I and the OP are making is that there are real forms for lightsaber combat and Kylo Ren never seems to use any of them.
@@kirrintherouge7107 umm...no, there literally isnt.
The lightsaber hilt has weight but the blade doesn't....takes 3 seconds to google something
@@asian_nerd11 disney made it like that cus they said that it isn't realistic by swinging lightsaber like that so they changed it instead of aiming on body to aiming and hitting the blade
@@cirrusfox8052 guard sabers like kylo’s actually do have weight if anything the way he swings it shows how strong he is because you’re supposed to hold it with two hands
One of my favourite things about the old fights
Is if you pause it at the right time you can see the colours of the sabres mix
It does
It's because of the practical effects back then they used spinning metal sticks and used a light to reflect the color of of them
@@mayukhpatro1882That was only in episode 4, and it wasn't even metal it was reflective tape(the same stuff on stop signs and construction vests) Corridor Crew made an entire video on it
Without mentioning the saber’s trail in swing from the first movies are better they look way better
Lightsaber fights then: There are 7 forms of lightsaber combat...
Lightsaber fights now: Glowing baseball bats.
Nowadays lightsaber fights: health and safety rules apply
Back then:
War crimes apply
No fucks apply, all action must
Well, the entire Jedi order collapsed, and quite a few sith like Dooku and Vader were trained by the Jedi order, so canonically, the prequels Jedi had thousands of years of discipline and practice behind them, and Kyle Ren was very poorly trained by a Jedi who was trained by a few old masters without the rest of the order.
YounglingSlayer9000
Ngl Disney was actually good at what they did back then. Nowadays they just chase liveaction of actually W og movies
Now: Baseball bats.
Then: Lightweight death sticks.
Lol😂😂😂😂
"Wanna buy some death sticks?"
"You will walk home and re-think your life."
*wave*
"I'm gonna walk home and re-think my life"
That or they aren't using the sharp side of the blade lol
@@marulucido2367 I was gonna say that!
Then: Lightweight Kill Balls from Halo on a stick.
Then: weapons of pure blazing energy
Now: glorified glow sticks
not even glorified
@@JoeMama-n6u just very heavy
They need to bring back the good old fast paced, perfectly choreographed lightsaber fights
The Anakin vs obi wan fight is still my favourite looking fight on Star Wars
its crazy how anakin wields a dual so professionally when he was trained with singular
@@o_DSQ he was the chosen one
You mean Vader vs obi wan……
Yeah I just dead a dumbfounded move….
But it’s still the same on a certain point of view…. But at least the obi wan series duels aren’t even base ball bats and just like proper swords (mainly because of Vader’s limitations and obi wan’s ptsd)
I have the high ground
Was too long though
Bro yoda and palpatine going crazy😂
Back flipping midget green guy = cool 😎
@@Hi182bro yoda is cool and i love his character
@@sebastiansaul that’s exactly what I said
@@sebastiansaulйода эльф
Yoda took Ataru to the next level
Proper training and experience vs just being given a lightsaber and told to go nuts
Which one is which?? Lmao. Kylo can’t use a lightsaber for shit he just kinda tosses it around.
You talking about them in real life or in the movies ?
This right here is the correct answer ^
The jedi/sith from the republic era had training from a young age and were brought from apprentice to master in lightsaber forms and styles.
Lightsaber wielders from the new republic/first order time period have very little education and training as there isn't exactly schools/temples around to teach them.
@@Axstr0_. Both? It'd be more embarrassing if Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver got proper training and were still swinging their lightsabers like clubs.
@@FireSparq They still had a military that utilized batons, so they should have had a basic understanding to their use. I also find it hard to believe that recordings of sword duels and close quarter combat didn't exist.
Ngl these were fire as a kid
They swing lightsabers around in the sequels like they weigh 200 pounds.
My problem from the first moment I watched Force Awakens
in canon, lightsabers vibrate worse than a high priced marital aid. They are legitimately difficult to wield effectively, even if you're skilled in normal swordplay, and force attunement helps you subtly move your hand to compensate for it
which explains why Finn or Rey would have a hard time, but the only reason Kylo would be having trouble is if he's stopped listening to the force (given his erratic state of mind throughout, this is a possibility)
@@ChibiKamihm
@@ChibiKamior, y'know disney
I was going to say that but it's true they act like gravity is holding the light Sabers
No one can beat choreography of Ewan and Hayden, every battle with them involved was spectacular.
Stfu y'all bitch about how flashy the light Saber duels were in the prequels now that it's grounded and sloppy it now sucks star wars fans don know what they want and never happy this is the worst fanbase other fans of any franchise should never be like a star wars fanboy nothing there useless nothing good there not happy
Well ATOTC Anakin and obi vs dooku was not great but far better then any sequel fight
Edit: also the fight im talking about isn't bad because of the choreography it's bad bc of the bad camera work/angles
@@cooperdesrocher6046 what? in what way is the camera work bad? I have heard A LOT of complaints about the Prequels but the camera work and the lightsaber fights have never one of them
Let me repeat it for you, the camera work is BAD with a capital B. It's a lame CGI shitfest that tries to turn Jedi into Marvel Superheros instead of a decent swordfight with real stakes. Prequel fights are over-coreographed, silly, cartoonish, and undermine the original trilogy's more deliberate and drama-oriented fights.
@@JamesNixon-b7pcompletely agree. And dont get me wrong. I actually like AoTC. Like, if might be one of the most important movies in the original 6.. everything plot wise really comes from episode 2. But the whole duel sequence at the end, dooku vs obi / anakin, and dooku vs yoda, was shot so terribly. They really tried with the yoda CGI, and with christopher lees limitations and them trying to actually include him in as many shots allows me to forgive that duel and find joy in it. But how they shot anakin vs dooku, and the whole scene, was BAD. again, choreography good, filming bad.
Choreography Vs. Children in the playground.
They weren't just sticks, they were childhood.
Choreography was the whole problem, it threw all realism through the window. Are you fighting for your life or dancing ? Ren chose knight-style over kapoera, how is that wrong ?
@@romdorezIt ain't about realism, it's a movie about people in another galaxy who travel to other planets and fight eachother with glowing swords over random beefs and use some force of nature that exists there in order to fight eachother, since when was it supposed to be realistic? It's meant to be appealing and look cool, since it IS fiction.
@@romdorezImagine wanting realism in Star Wars 💀💀💀
@@romdorezDumb comment
Old Star Wars with today's graphics and details would be so good
You know a light saber fight is going to be good when yoda is involved 🗿
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Real
I AGREE
No hate (YODA IS A GOAT) but obi wan vs anakin left the chat
Графа Дуку все забыли?
You know its bad when a millenium old frog and a century old man fight better than people in their late 20s early 30s
Palpatine was 60 and dooku was 70 which is weird considering they were better duellists
@@SkepticminecraftYoda is better than dooku
@@Big_Bad_Brown75and?
@@Skepticminecrafti was 80 btw
i mean didnt they have training?
“A weapon for a much more civilized age” -Obi Wan, A New Hope
Add an "n" to that first "A"; Add "Elegant" between "An", and "Weapon"; and remove "Much"; and you got the quote on-the-mark. 🤓😛
@@gehrigstory6674🎩
Also spell it civilised*
Ironic to spell civilised using uncivilised murican English 🤮
Rip
@@DWARFF0RTRESS What does 🎩 mean?
Kylo ren vs Fin was the best duel in the SEQUELS, there was something about it, the silence, the cold
Back then: getting stabbed with a lightsaber meant literal death
Now: getting stabbed with a light saber is like taking a paintball shot
Edit: because people keep bringing it up, darth maul didn’t just wake up in a hospital bed totally fine, his hatred for obi wan kept him alive (barely) and even then he needed prosthetics and couldn’t even fight the same. In the comic darth sion was practically immortal because of this.
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Exactly, back then the reality of how a light saber would work as it ionizes and vaporizes everything around the wound would result in such a strike as we saw in Qui Gon being fatal.
Now every MF'er and their mom survives that kind of damage....
It's like light sabers aren't even dangerous anymore. Not to mention light sabers in current Disney fashion seem incapable of cutting through anything.
@@Shishomuru exactly it’s like all of a sudden Jedi have tungsten steel guts or something but conveniently they can cut a door down or one shot a storm trooper. It’s just backwards
Darth Maul tho
@SebastianStangl-nk8gq they actually made a reason for why/how he survived, and he never actually got his bottom half back. Instead, he had to find an alternative form of legs
Everyone gangsta till General Grievous starts a fight:
just imagine if he had double bladed lightsabers like maul
@@NilayGaikwadImagine if he had 4 lightsabers of the inquisitor 💀(the spinning one)
@@Nidroid981his wrists already rotate 🤷♀️
@@Luckar7 well, spinning the arms and the lightsabers it can be so fast and hard to stop, so, it can be more dangerous
@@Nidroid981
HELIKOPTER HELIKOPTER
Disney jedis: Kids Swinging Glowing bats
George Lucas Jedis: True Trained Swordmens with experience
The original trilogy lightsaber fights weren’t much better
@@haxsa4467 yeah but those were made on a lower budget back in 1977-1983
@@haxsa4467they were still decently choreographed, more form than just a series of one handed swings and thrusts
@@haxsa4467 To be fair Vader and Obi Wan were old men. So they fought like they were using brooms, like a good retired senior.
@@haxsa4467 Well those of the original trilogy looked like actual swordfights.
back in the day it's a one lightsaber versus two lightsabers
I love how everyone collectively agrees that Jedis use lightsabers as baseball bats now
Indeed
Nah you're wrong.
A Jedi would never use a lightsaber as a baseball bat. Some girl with 1 week of Training will for Sure, but Not a true Jedi
@@bastifi2815*a Palpatine
@@bastifi2815 Kylo had years of training and still uses a lighsaber like a baseball bat
@@bastifi2815nah you're definitely wrong how about ben solo?
Kylo be using his lightsaber like its trident from shadow fight 2 😂
Brought back my childhood there
Oh you mean that annoying Long Range Weapon, I fking hate Long range and Heavy Weapons in Shadow Fight 2, Tridents are annoying in SF2, I only love Tridents in Minecraft🗿
Damn what a game it was. Brought back my memories. But you know whats the saddest part? After the gates of shadow incident, i used mod as the progress became real slow and i reget it real bad. But the journey was fun.
that thing was the truth until they forced you to keep it relevant. Was always nice to find another one lol
@@_YashSawant Nunchuk or Tonfa are so DAMN good weapons
Lightsaber duels back then were a type of martial art 🔥 🔥 🔥
Maybe Disney want to show the skill degradation in both story Writing, film production and the way of the jedi
Now we just have baseball bat swings.
@@user-zg7ps9vf5o bro I know what you mean and I agree but luke didn't teach ray a lot he just taught him how to deal with force
I really like how they got actors to be trained swords man
Back then
I think the best lightsaber choreography I’ve ever seen is in those Old Republic trailers. When that guy fought both Sith Lords duel wielding a double and single blade, I literally crapped my pants
So that's what that smell is 😂
True
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Literally!? O.o
Zallow vs Malgus was a better fight, short as it was.
Back then actors actually had to be skillful in dueling with lightsabers irl too XD
they're still trained js trained to purposely fight like drunk old men
Sir Christopher Lee (count Dooku) was a trained and very experienced swordsman, for decades and decades. Dooku's style and mannerisms make him iconic, just like the man who played them. Where'd the dedication to the craft go...
@@nathanielsood1059Well tbf it's not like he performed the fights himself lol
To be honest it does look cooler the old way but anyone with weapons training will tell you it's a bunch of unnecessary movement in reality... although it does take time to learn it all ...that being said the new movies is like watching kids play fight with sticks
Uh no, back then in looked like 2 oaf heads dancing with led sticks. Now it looks like actual dueling. And before you say "Uh but it's supposed to be sci fi and lightsabers are not swords" it's a lightSABER so it would make sense if the duels were closer to realism, even in a sci fi franchise
When lightsabers were actually lethal weapons
Yes now of you get hit with a light saber you are ok like what happen with sabin but on the firts 6 movies was relly good
Third sister Would diagree with you
back then: 🥶🥶🥶we ain’t ever gonna slow down
Yoda:back then..better..it was
Hahaha
He ain’t wrong
Correct, you are. Swing sabers like baseball bats now, they do. Absolute dinguses, they are.
Act like they weigh more than 2 pounds they do, flabbergasted by stupidity I am
so true my guy
“An elegant weapon for a more civilized age” - Obi Wan Kenobi
Wise words from the legend
Before the dark times, before Disney.
Civilized? 😂
@@brix7816wait what if Disney is ran by the Sith and that's why they are so evil lmao
“An elegant weapon for a more civilized age now times have changed”
- clone commando 38
Kylo Ren has left the chat
Back when Lightsaber duels had grace and form
Honestly
Then the Jedi order fell and no more were trained
FFS it makes sense rly
Not bad writing
@@gooficat but the knowledge of the lightsaber forms are likely still accessible to those who look for it. So yes, bad writing
Form? Are you kidding? The Original Trilogy had WAY better form than Both of these trilogies. Obi wan vs Vader has based off of 1500s Japanese Samurai dueling and Luke vs Vader (Episode 6) was based off fencing and traditional European sword fighting. A competent and practical duelist looks more from the OT than PT or ST.
Can you guys stop blowing up my notifications. There’s a reason I stopped responding to the prequel fanboys.
@@thegoat2959 calm down
Darth vader losing to yoda is pure skill issue💀
I fucking love how the old sabers look like they're an extension of them, with fluid movement as well.
To be fair, Finn and Ray were not trained, and Ren was half trained. Of course Finn and Ray are going to have no idea how to use a lightsaber properly, let alone have grace while doing it
Well my friend that's how all close-combat weapons are supposed to be used. As an extension of one's body. That's why older saber combat was better bc they understand this type of shit
@@andrewtallman1867 Ren could've had access to the Holocubes to learn better forms, they couldn't have destroyed all the ones that were in the Jedi Temple's library.
its not about knowing how to use it its about theyre literally light sabers they should be feel and seen lighter not heavy@@andrewtallman1867
yeah and they taught the actors real coreography
Hayden is an ABSOLUTE UNIT with a lightsaber.
FOR REAL
Hayden from doom
So is Ewan! ❤
Samuel Hayden?
THAT DUEL BETWEEN HADEN AND EWAN IT WAS LIKE,*mwah* SUCH MASTERPEICEEEEEEE, now lightsabers are just a humiliation to society……
Back then everyone hated the prequels now they love them
When we’re given a new low…well anything is better than that
Bingo, the prequels were treated too harshly considering the absolute dog shit we got afterwards.
The only objectively GOOD live action Star Wars we've gotten since the Prequels is Rogue One and Andor.
The real reason is because the haters are now old and nobody cares about them. The kids that grew up with the prequels are now the majority and have the loudest opinion on the internet. In 20 years the internet will be talking about how good the sequels are.
They still don't. It's just that there are worse movies now to hate on.
i mean the prequels are still dogshit but they are fun. the sequels are not lol
The reason lightsaber battles are slower is because now the lightsabers have all these lights and electronics in them to make them look better and give scenes good lighting, but that also makes them heavier and more difficult to swing around. So it’s a trade off, do you want prettier scenes and cooler lightsabers or do you want faster fights and better choreography.
Like notice the difference between movies. The sequels lightsabers look so much better and the lighting is just exquisite. While in the prequels they are colored rods of light. I am in no way saying the sequels are better, I am just saying that they new what they were doing and made the decision
I'm honestly convinced there's no choreography. They just tell them to have a lightsaber fight.
No I'm pretty sure there is no choreography but they still give them vague instructions like "Rey should absolutely win despite Kylo Ren showing more mastery and experience" "kylo ren have to look very agressive while attacking" but nothing more
@luckydust4375 the writing is terrible like how are you gonna have hux devote his life to the first order and kill billions only to make him a spy for the resistance💀💀💀
And then go back even further to Old Republic times. The duels were insane
absolutely
Further? Prequels are previous to old republic. Also this is talking about real life coreographies, its pretty easy (i know its everything but easy) editing it virtually (sorry for english), but doing this kindda stuff in rl... Prequel actors had to train for literal months
@@Chabier-mx2mz prequels are set after the old republic lol
@@bongoz8160 you think im retarded? We talking here about when they were created, in real life
@@bongoz8160Or rather, that’s why she’s Old, because her fate ended in the prequels.
they had them crouching, jumping, backflipping, front flipping, hitting combos, and insane parrys
Yoda doing a flip is crazy af
ye but then you realise doing back flips aint gon do anything in sword fights
@@muhammedwho it's just for fun so more people watch it
@@danidani-vm4jr yea but disney probably wanted to be more accurate or smth
@@muhammedwho jajajaja preciso? Que hay de preciso en las secuelas de Disney? Su mediocridad? 😂
Original Trilogy lightsaber duels are really slept on
How could u forget the Goated Fight of Star Wars history of Obi wan vs Anakin
Sickening, honestly
That deserves a whole clip
İt deserves a whole movie Just for itself
It always reminds me of the family guy chicken fight
@@attackfoxU disgust me🤢
Considering Finn was once a stormtrooper, i was hella hyped during his lightsaber fight
Bro honestly Finn shouldnt have even been able to block a single strike force wielders are said to be really fast and all the other lightsaber fights are supposed to be in slow motion which is what we see so either kylo was really really slow and weakened or Disney just forgot that force speed was a thing
Why? He had no training w one?
@@mrinformal8052ya do know they were saying Finn IS force sensi by Rise
@@ActionFigureMagic Stormtroopers don't get training with Lighsabers. Only Martial arts, blaster shooting training and many other trainings to harden them up. But not definitely lightsaber training
@@КостяНоговицын-м3п i know. Lol.
baby yoda: Skill issue
the other guy: F*CK
not to be that guy, but that's not baby Yoda, that's just yoda
The other guy: dud your hitbox is small asf.
bruh is Yoda vs Palpatine
Bro Really Hasn't Watched Star Wars
Bro has not watched Star Wars
They've kind of gone back to how lightsabers were in the original trilogy when George Lucas thought they should be rwally heavy.
Obi-Wan and Anakin’s duel has left the chat…
that would be to unfair that duel is one of the greatest things ever put to screen nothing it's literally the best thing to ever come out of star wars universe
This song has no bass drop
@@andriusas90 true
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@@andriusas90 that one and maul in tpm
Revenge of the Sith had the GREATEST light saber duel in the entire franchise
AGREE 1000000000% MY FAVORITE STAR WARS EPISODE OF ALL TIME
Yes master windu and yoda also vs the emperor
And the worst non fight scenes a fair trade off💀💀💀
Nick Gillard made each of these fights unforgettable and full of passion.
✊
For me the only unforgettable Lightsabrebattles where Obiwan vs Anakin in ROTS (though it looked awful at times), the Quigon vs Darth Maul one in Phantom Menace (also due to the music) and .... OK that was it.
They are way overused in SW movies and that caused it to be nothing special anymore. Though I did like the setting and the colors in the Rey/Kylo fight during the winterscene in Force Awakens.
The force awakens is the only sequel movie a can watch
Doesn’t mean it’s good
They looks ti much scripted
Aiming for the sword vs aiming for the body
Back then, lightsabers had such a cool spinning effect
Its the light saber trail effects
@@guezt_12Oh damn, tysm! Idk why they removed it
Disney Star Wars: *swings like a bat*
OG Star Wars: *using swords and fencing forms professionally*
@@MaltianStudiosOfficialSure for Kylo... But all the others in the Disney Star Wars swings tge damn thing the same way.... They captured none of the uniqueness and flow of the previous lightsaber fights...
@@MaltianStudiosOfficial they can't be that much heavier since the weight is still just in the hilt and also Force users are supposed to have enhanced speed and strength
By OG, you mean the original trilogy? If so, then I have no qualms - the original trilogy used choreography from actual swordfighting techniques (obviously adapted and changed a bit for movie flare). The prequel lightsaber fights are by far the most ridiculous of the entire series, including shows.
@@MaltianStudiosOfficiallight is weightless
@@ecotton600so you're saying that the new movies have better fights than the prequels?
The way they wield the lightsaber now feels like they are weilding a great sword. 😂
I think its cause the people in episode 7,8,9 just arent good with the force and have little training with the lightsaber (and kylo is just bad and constantly angry) reason 1,2,3 are good is caused they are taught since birth and know what to do.
@@aprilfools-g2e Nope, Disney is just too lazy to put any effort into choreographing good fights.
@@SmoothButtr user-rx6ht6op1c was repeating disney's excuse to why they were so bad.
@@Crumbking-r2r I agree they were trash, im saying ignoring that and focusing on lore (which is why I watch) it makes sense
Ironically, a great sword weighs 6-10 pounds, meaning a great sword is actually very easy to move fairly fast.
One thing about the lightsabers from the newer movies that I noticed is that it looks like each swing, the saber is carrying a lot of weight behind it. Like how the dark saber is heavy when it’s first used but the more the user uses it, it gets lighter
I had more cinematic fights with plastic lightsabers in my friend’s basement 20 years ago than what Disney has put out.
the worst part is that i actually believe that XD
Best comment of 2023 😂😂😂
#relatable
@@Yoshistar238nice to know I’m not alone
The modern ones look more like heavy longsword fight coreography while the old ones look more like lightsword/staff fight coreography
New one is crap, literally lightsabers supposed to be light to hold due to it being actually a laser
The new ones makes the people fighting using lightsabers weaker than the old one
even yoda can hold the lightsaber like nothing
The reason for the changes come from inconsistent decisions from Lucas. In the original trilogy the savers were Excalibur like baton swords that were heavy.
Mark hamil lives in Japan in between empire and Jedi and brought back the idea of faster motion and bring back some original inspiration from Japanese samurai duels that Lucas took inspiration from.
The prequels amped it up to an extreme by making the sabers so light and excessive flashy moves.
JJ Abrahms retook inspiration from Samurai films and brought back kendo and the logical step of adding force powers into the fights.
Didn't make the story better till last Jedi but then it becomes a you ruined my childhood with a grown up interpretation of how massive a failure Luke made in training and not stopping Kylo Ren.
I don't want a war in comments about why you didn't like a movie but just wanted to add to why the duels look so radically different.
@@yesmeanshhsofficial well according to the lore (or at least my understanding of it) a lightsaber gets it’s weight from the emotions of it’s user so people are angrier and don’t know how to use their anger to wield the sabers properly
When Yoda had a light saber, you already know that you’re doomed
"MMm, screwed you are!"
“MMm, jump off a cliff, you might as well!”
Yoda finna Ball Yo ass before you know it
Agree with you because i'm going to be pieces
Rest in pieces, you will.
Anakin vs Dooku was fantastic. And Anakin vs Obi-wan in episode 3 was absolute cinema
Lightsaber fighting used to be a masterpiece of art. Ppl spent years learning the techniques of it. What they do now is smt a child can easily perform like bro😭
Spent years learning it you mean but yes.
Man Lightsaber duels back in the day actually felt like they were using styles you would see someone who knew fencing or duelling with an actual sword use. Now they just wildly swing it around like a baseball bat.
Ataru just hits different
They gave Luke some style in that Mando finale tho.
@Nightcraft45 makashi used by dooku was way cooler then some jumping around bs.
Thats because then actualy dont know styles
I mean it is weightless so there really isn't any momentum to conserve. I agree though, does not look as cool.
Back when Lightsaber fights looked like they are really weightless
That’s why they’re called “light”
@@personexisting271oah, light for both the weight and darkness absence
But the handle has weight tho
@@Heisei_destoroyahya and i dont think that hadle is over 10 pounds
They are fucking light
One thing i learned about Lightsaber fights: If you can keep up, its bad.
When you see the footage of the mustafar duel, the effort is insane.
Yo, you have 66 likes
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I was about to comment that
kylo ren vertically boiling finn’s spinal fluid only for him to survive and come back in the next movie perfectly fine
I was going to say I was wondering how that worked, but I don't wonder about fever dreams, so I'll accept the actual duels.
Now that's great storytelling 😂
Nah we all been there when we were watching as kids and a lightsaber with a new colour was a whole new of experience of hype
Yeah, seeing mace's purple lightsaber struck a whole new level of hype in me as a kid. That was like finding the toy you lost behind the dresser
This is so true
the first time i saw the red saber or any i get HYPED in a instant
He actually made them take sword lessons and the actors loved it.
Don’t forget the 360 spinning lightsaber jab that palpatine created 😂
@@Viggy7819 or the absolute dog shit slice Ben did to snoke. They did an already awful (barely even relevant) villain, pretty damn bad. He was bad enough, don’t give him the most pathetic death ever.
Umm sir we call that the sith torpedo around here
Is there actually body that split because of the saber like in homelander? Im sorry i dont remember because its so long
@@Svarkomyimo the first one was in episode 1:The phantom Menace
Where near the end(spoiler qui dies) young obi wan slices maul in half with qui gon's saber
@@GrayStillPlays--Technoblade oh right bro, tysm 😭
OG Trilogy: Learned how to make fights good as the movies went.
Prequel Trilogy: Actually got actors trained in sword fighting.
Sequel Trilogy: Trained actors with Star Wars Kinect and called it a day.
Not only Rey Skywalker is the most well written Star Wars character such as having the greatest struggles and training (one second of her training regime is infinite time harder than what the greatest the Jedi Knights or Sith Lords has gone through in their training to become a full-fledged warriors), with greatest character development and in not only in Star Wars, but all of fiction. She is the most powerful duelist and fighter. Obviously the most powerful force user with unmatched potential too, infinite times more powerful than full potential Anakin Skywalker. She is also the best starship captain, no one can compete at her level and match her natural talent and skills and also her full potential.
Why do people underrate Rey Skywalker for no good reason, although she is the greatest character and part of the masterpiece of the sequel trilogy? I don’t know, but most of the die hard fans or real Star Wars fans in the Star Wars community would say Rey Skywalker is the greatest character in Star Wars and all of fiction.
Rey Skywalker is in fact the greatest Skywalker and Palpatine, but also the greatest and also the most powerful Star Wars character, in general and also in terms of writing. Rey is also considered to be one of the most powerful characters in fiction, some experts say she is levels above the One Above All. Her character’s writing and arc are considered to be one of the greatest outside of Star Wars, but also in cinema or all of the stories.
She is considered to be one of the greatest and most iconic characters in cinema, even more iconic than Darth Vader by infinite times which makes Rey Skywalker the most iconic Star Wars character and Disney princess.
Although according to experts she's the most powerful character not only in Star Wars, but in fiction, her insane struggles and greatest upbringing or backstory makes her the most tragic character in all of fiction. Her character arc would make any famous and well-known Ancient Greek story-tellers cry and admit their greatest tragic stories, or story as a whole in general are nothing compared to the story of Rey Skywalker (more difficult than the rest of Star Wars characters and rest of characters in all of fiction) makes her the most relatable character and hardships to become a Jedi is insanely difficult and especially trying to resist the dark side.
Rey Skywalker’s potential is greater than Anakin’s power and full potential. She is not only the greatest leader and candidate for woman empowerment, she is the only embodiment for it.
Instead of fighting who is the best and greatest character in Star Wars. Or also the greatest trilogy in Star Wars. Let’s all admit and say the real truth and reality, Rey Skywalker is in fact the greatest masterpiece of a character in Star Wars and the sequel trilogy has the greatest movies in Star Wars.
Also, the sequel trilogy in Star Wars is the greatest trilogy in all of cinema, and considered to be greater than Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy and the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Even the experts and the best or legendary directors such as George Lucas, Peter Jackson, James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, and etc consider all the three movies of the sequel trilogy in Star Wars to be the greatest movies in history.
Please no more fighting and bashing other characters, especially Rey Skywalker to say your favorite character is the best, especially Darth Vader or Anakin Skywalker whom Rey Skywalker the real GOAT is infinite times better as a character in writing and relatable, and also more powerful.
Not only Rey Skywalker is the most well written Star Wars character such as having the greatest struggles and training (one second of her training regime is infinite time harder than what the greatest the Jedi Knights or Sith Lords has gone through in their training to become a full-fledged warriors), with greatest character development and in not only in Star Wars, but all of fiction. She is the most powerful duelist and fighter. Obviously the most powerful force user with unmatched potential too, infinite times more powerful than full potential Anakin Skywalker. She is also the best starship captain, no one can compete at her level and match her natural talent and skills and also her full potential.
Why do people underrate Rey Skywalker for no good reason, although she is the greatest character and part of the masterpiece of the sequel trilogy? I don’t know, but most of the die hard fans or real Star Wars fans in the Star Wars community would say Rey Skywalker is the greatest character in Star Wars and all of fiction.
Rey Skywalker is in fact the greatest Skywalker and Palpatine, but also the greatest and also the most powerful Star Wars character, in general and also in terms of writing. Rey is also considered to be one of the most powerful characters in fiction, some experts say she is levels above the One Above All. Her character’s writing and arc are considered to be one of the greatest outside of Star Wars, but also in cinema or all of the stories.
She is considered to be one of the greatest and most iconic characters in cinema, even more iconic than Darth Vader by infinite times which makes Rey Skywalker the most iconic Star Wars character and Disney princess.
Although according to experts she's the most powerful character not only in Star Wars, but in fiction, her insane struggles and greatest upbringing or backstory makes her the most tragic character in all of fiction. Her character arc would make any famous and well-known Ancient Greek story-tellers cry and admit their greatest tragic stories, or story as a whole in general are nothing compared to the story of Rey Skywalker (more difficult than the rest of Star Wars characters and rest of characters in all of fiction) makes her the most relatable character and hardships to become a Jedi is insanely difficult and especially trying to resist the dark side.
Rey Skywalker’s potential is greater than Anakin’s power and full potential. She is not only the greatest leader and candidate for woman empowerment, she is the only embodiment for it.
Instead of fighting who is the best and greatest character in Star Wars. Or also the greatest trilogy in Star Wars. Let’s all admit and say the real truth and reality, Rey Skywalker is in fact the greatest masterpiece of a character in Star Wars and the sequel trilogy has the greatest movies in Star Wars.
Also, the sequel trilogy in Star Wars is the greatest trilogy in all of cinema, and considered to be greater than Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy and the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Even the experts and the best or legendary directors such as George Lucas, Peter Jackson, James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, and etc consider all the three movies of the sequel trilogy in Star Wars to be the greatest movies in history.
Please no more fighting and bashing other characters, especially Rey Skywalker to say your favorite character is the best, especially Darth Vader or Anakin Skywalker whom Rey Skywalker the real GOAT is infinite times better as a character in writing and relatable, and also more powerful.
@codeck4442 Dang dude, you put this much effort into a joke? Honestly I'm impressed.
@codeck4442 To shorten it for you, I like girls that have great power without learning or stoy development
@@code44422I like girl power instead of slowly learning the power like the rest.
Rey has mastered the baseball bat swinging form of the Jedi light duel.
Hahahaha its form 45, BaseSwingaresu! Or MarySueresu!
Crossguard lightsabers are heavier and swing slower but are stronger overall.
@@wongscp1701 xD
Lightsaber duels are an art, you don’t just fling them around like they doing now😭🙏
Men, Count Dooku fighting style is so elegant
With Christopher Lee's age on that time, some movement might be done by stunt double, but Christopher Lee himself is also a skilled fencer to begin with.
Credits to them to make the movement look so good.
Some of those prequel duel gave me literal chills. And seeing the actors work so damn hard to perfect and choreograph those movements with actual trained professionals who do this for a living is awesome. Sometimes people can miss it, as it all happens so fast. If you really slow down to pay attention to every action, you truly start to see the real beauty of what Lucas did all those years ago
And it's all completely empty of emotion, or any sense of risk or danger. You know the whole thing is choreographed, nobody is fighting for their lives, they just fight to show off. The Mace Windu vs Sidious one is the absolute nadir of this.
They just swing their weapons around secure in the knowledge they know where the other guy is going to be in the next 5, 10, 20 seconds. The OT and TFA, they actually let one character look over confident, or terrified, or surprised at a move. Yoda bounces around like a maniac and the whole time Dooku is just "hep hop yep now he goes over here and next up is the overhead leap and yep dip dop three moves before I disengage and run away in my space probe lap dap..."
@@gospelofrye6881 it makes sense why they arent showing more emotion as for the jedi they where taught to show no emotion and are all expert duelists that are confident in there ability as for both Palpatine and dooku dooku is not only ex jedi but he is one of the best duelists in the entire series and in any martial art the most important tenet is stay calm and even then dooku showed distress when anakin was overpowering him and lopped his hand off plapatine is a master in both dueling and the force but yoda is as well meaning hye needed to focus completely on the duel with yoda to get the results he wanted
@@asuraofwrath It really is a religion for you people... you can justify anything.
@@gospelofrye6881 not really its just simple logic pro duelists are calm because they are pros they wouldn't be pros without keeping themselves composed that's the most important lesson that almost all professanal skills share a need to be calm while preforming a emotionally or physically stressing task
@@gospelofrye6881The OT and sequel duels are boring asl we don’t care about realism, we want flashy and long lasting duels and the prequels gave us just that. And why would they need to fear for their lives? All the duels we see in the prequels are between experienced duelists(in the movies) so they should be plenty confident in their abilities
The Golden Age of lightsaber duels. Never seen again.
Well duh, it was the time before the killed all the fucking Jedi
Episode 3 has by far the most epic lightsaber duels
They're treating them as a giant axe while the old Jedi are using them as a fencing sword
You gotta keep in mind those dudes in the prequels had decades of training and these dudes are new
@@lukemarlin9151except Kylo does have multiple years of training aswell
@@i_chosen_one_ips432since birth basically.
Popular opinion: Disney made lightsabers into sticks you found in the backyard when you were 8.
No shit, I dueled like this with my friend using wooden souvenir swords when I was 8 lol.
we actually tried to hit each other with those sticks when we were 8.
@@ADobbin1 yo 😂😂😂😂
Finaly they kinda fixed it in ashoka episode 5 the lightsaber battle between ashoka and anakin were like the old days. It kinda proves that lightsaber skill has gone down alot in the years. It shows how much better the jedis from the clone wars and well yea the original 3 films were.
@@mytors1475 Well at least that's good. I was talking about the sequels
As of now I’m convinced that the sequels were made with the sole purpose of making us appreciate the originals more 💀
The sequels were a psyop to make people think the prequels were good
The prequels are good and I’m tired of pretending they’re not
They were made to destroy Star Wars.
They were made to destroy Star Wars
@@zaynemcdaniel3296For real
1-3 lightsaber duels were peak imo.
Hayden and Ewan spent days learning the choreography for their duels. And they also did the same for the ROTS video game.
thats even sadder
Their hard work shows. The fights look great. In the newer films, it looks like the actors had much less training, and the filmmakers try to hide this by camera movements, which make the scenes so much less enjoyable.
Days? Try weeks. Maybe even months.
Daisy Ridley claims that she had to spend weeks training with her lightsaber. It sure as heck didn’t come across on film, that’s for damn sure.
Heck, The Baseball Furies treated their baseball bats more like swords in their fight against The Warriors than Ma’Rey Sue and Cry-Lo Ren did in their entire movie trilogy.
The fact that that’s genuinely a thousand times better and it’s not just nostalgia is crazy
This is just an unfair comparison, yoda/sidious as the greatest masters/leaders vs 2 newbues, kylo a young sith and rey that isnt even a jedi yet
@@emet7462 yes sure it's a bit unfair, But not to this extent.
Kylo ren should be way better at fighting especially since he is better than all of the knights of ren and trained first by luke and then by snoke. I can buy the fact that rey (in the first movie) was bad, but both of them should be way better fighters, especially by the third installment.
Even besides their skill look at the styles. In the prequels, every character had a unique style of fighting, reflecting of their character, now it's just so bland.
@@emet7462 Sure, but why would they be throwing their bodies around with a weapon that supposed to weigh almost nothing?
@@frankkennedy6388depends on the interpretation if it’s the weight of your soul one I understand him swinging it like that
@@frankkennedy6388 Momentum is still a thing.
Kylo ren: *holding a lightsaber like it’s massive sledge hammer*
Meanwhile Anakin: *proceeds to hold and use two lightsabers like it is nothing*
Edit: Many people said why Kylos lightsaber is heavy and I’m aware :\
If darth vader was stronger than anakin, he could possibly hold double sided double sabers
@@UnnatSinha bruh darth vader is anakin
@@GamerIslandGodVader killed Anakin
@@ALittleMessino palpetine turned anakin to the dark side so he was named Darth Vader and in the 6th episode anakin returned io the good side
@@GamerIslandGod You haven't paid attention to any of the stories. Please go back and watch
It actually seemed cool back then!! Like an actual fight!! Gah I miss old movies 😭
Old Lightsaber fights felt like. a 1v1 Fight against your Friends.
Small Old Yoda:
Lifts the lightsaber like nothing
Kylo:
Cant even lift or fight with lightsaber
well to be fair yodas lightsaber was made to fit yoda so he could use it properly, kylos lightsaber was just made to fit nothing of kylo ren its just a lightsaber -_- L Ren tbh
@@theinsulter yoda doesn't have a light saber its called a light dagger
kylo ren was injured in that scene
@@rebeccaramos7004bro u fr know more than me like i fr spend 3 hours a day digging up lore and i didnt even know it was a dagger 🤓🤓🤓
Small old Yoda: had hundreds of years of professional training at the height of the art.
Kylo Ren: had a few years of homeschooling from someone who never finished their own training, dropped out because he had an attitude problem.
Bro Rey is a child running around with a glowstick 💀
I mean it sort of make sense in-universe since she wasn't well trained and doesn't have years of experience with a lightsaber.
To call her forms with a lightsaber as experience would be an insult to the old movies, I do agree with you saying it makes sense but that's not even a bit of experience, that's just plot armor giving her an edge.
@@absboodoo and yet she beat kylo ren smh
@@mr.ironic95 He was poorly trained too. lol. No "real" force users in the sequel trilogy
They fired the wrong choreographer 💀
Old lightsaber fights: Choreographed masterpieces
New lightsaber fights: Like swinging baseball bats
Hi
Now they make it look like the light saber weighs a ton when it is weightless
There is a George Lucas interview saying that he wanted the light sabers to be heavy like swords.
Disney characters getting stabbed with a lightsaber nowadays: “tis but a scratch”
Us: THERES A FREAKING HOLE IN YOUR CHEST
Pov: you use the force to turn off the light saber 😂
The acolyte fixed it by making people actually die when getting stabbed
@DanielGSykes ikr, it’s so annoying