➡ *Additional Information:* ⬅ *1. Formula to calculate your total Attack Speed:* Total AS = (B - 0.002 * D) *(1- (AS/(1+AS))) B = Base Attack Speed of your weapon. D = Point put into Dex (base 10 points not included) AS = Additional Attack Speed (%) *2. Merciless Barrage* Not affected by Attack Speed (Bug or intended?) *3. Quick Fire* The skill is divided into two animations: the "preparation" phase, which includes everything before the xbow fires the arrows, and the second phase, which covers everything afterwards. For some reason, the first phase scales only of your additional attack speed. This means that if you have 20% additional attack speed, the preparation phase will be 20% faster. However, the second phase still scales with your total attack speed. The total attack speed has still a much greater influence overall. Still interesting ^^ (Bug or intended?) *4. Precision Dash* The dash of the skill itself is not affected by attack speed, but the animation in between is. So if you have a lot of attack speed, you can use the 2nd dash much faster. This is why it feels like you can dash faster. *5. Short simplified Summary* Attack Speed in Throne and Liberty reduces the animation time of skills, making your rotations faster. For example, if your full rotation takes 3 seconds, a high attack speed could reduce it to 2 seconds. You can check your total attack speed in your character window below the base damage. The lower this value the faster your attacks. It is affected by three main factors Base Attack Speed (from your weapon), Dexterity (a primary stat that directly reduces attack speed), and Bonus Attack Speed (a percentage-based increase). All of these factors combine to make your skills and combos faster.
The editing alone caught my attention at first. The content is exactly what I like doing, but done by someone more skilled in editing than I am. Also, comprehensive and summarised video with important information, count me in. Already subscribed.
Good Video, again ! Thanks Grobs. The video would have been perfect if you'd clarified the importance of the synergy between attack speed and cooldown reduction.
Thank for for putting in the work for us Sir! Had a similar question in regards to mitigation. We understand Evasion vs Endurance, could you please consider researching Skill Dmg Resist vs Dmg Reduction vs All Defense (flat Range, Melee, Magic defense stat). Some gear/food offer these stats and I assume they supersede Evasion and Endurance in effectiveness but I dont know how to validate. All of these stats in balance would nicely complement each other vs just stacking Evasion for example. Thanks again for your great information!
Always prioritize Skill Damage Resistance whenever possible. it's incredibly powerful. Next, focus on Evasion or Endurance if you're heavily stacking one of them, as their effectiveness scales significantly the more you have. Damage Reduction is only good for endurance tanks. Defense always good.
@@grobsXOAlso, there is a food item that gives PVP Hit/Crit Chance. How does PVP specific Hit Chance differ from basic Hit Chance from weapons/gear? Seems like this stat is never mentioned by anyone and I assume they are the same. I have played mmos with pvp gear sets that only work in pvp and same for pve. Thanks again!
Great vid keep it up❤ But why you didn't mention xbow skills thats bugged and not affected by AS? Like xbow barrage taking ~3.5s, and wild barrage taking ~5s. No matter whats your AS! Also you didn't mention that auto attacks doesn't match your actual in-game attack speed🥲
I'm confused on one thing, does your skills use the calculated attack speed value of the main weapon or it uses the calculated attack speed of the weapon its meant for? You didn't explicitly mention this in your gs staff example. So if im holding GS as my main weapon and used a staff skill, whose calculated attack speed value will be used? the main weapon GS or the off hand staff?
I didn't explain it properly. The attack speed always depends on the weapon you're using to activate the skill. So if you use a skill with a greatsword, it will use the attack speed of the greatsword.
Question on your data regarding animation timers - say I have a spear with 0.743 attack speed, and through various sources of attack speed buffs, I bring the value to 0.359. Am I gaining an increase of ~48% animation speed as my attack speed is 41% faster than it was at 0.743, or am I gaining an increase of roughly 40% animation speed as I'm bringing the first decimal down from 0.7 to 0.3? In this instance, as you said, gaining animation speed would equal reducing total frametime for the animation. If I use a skill that, with 0.743 attack speed, has a 113 frame / 1.89 second animation (at 60 fps, though I do not believe tnl ties frametime to fps like black desert does), does it go to ~67 frames or ~59 with an attack speed value of 0.359 (58.76 rounded for simplicity)?
not quite sure how you get to the 48% or 41%^^ First of all there are no decimal steps. How it would work: AS1: 0,743 // Frames: 113 AS2: 0,359 // Frames: X That means 74% of the maximum animation is 113 frames. Now we know that X will be 36% of the maximum animation time. you can simply use the rule of three. X = 113/0,743 *0,359 = 54 Frames You can also make a step in between and first calculate the the maximum frames that the skill can have (ASmin: 1,0) Xmax = 113/0,743 = 152,1 Frames The animation of the of the skill with AS2 will be 36% of the the maximum animation time. X = 152,1 * 0,36 = 54 Frames hopefully that explains it :)
In his video he said they've been studying throne and Liberty for decades but its only been out for of a couple years 😂😂 and this is mentioned in the first seconds of the video
5:47 first, liked the video and thanks for the hard work! but, wasn't clear on primary weapon part, do you mean each weapon affects its own skill speed, or the lowest attack speed number affects all weapons skills? e.g. if i am holding daggers with 0.3 and a staff with 0.5, my fireball would take the 0.3 number? or it takes from the staff 0.5?
the "dimishing return" on % value isnt a DR. Its simple math. are 100% faster (cause u got 100% in added atk speed) u need the half time. this even hits on all parts of life not only in TL :D. Some on 200%, if u do somthing 3 time faster as normal u dont need minus 100% u are still need 1/3 of the origin. But thx for testing and explanation, in core it helps me to understand this more and its good to go in this stat.
I’ve already discussed that on my cooldown speed video xD I understand where you're coming from and your reasoning makes sense but ultimately what matters is the reduction of frames for your animation of the skill. The key question is: by how many frames can you shorten your animation? Let’s look at an example: - Lets say our animation takes 100 frames by default. -> 50% bonus attack speed reduces it to 67 frames (33.3% actual bonus attack speed). -> 100% bonus attack speed reduces it to 50 frames (50% actual bonus attack speed). - The first 50% bonus reduces it by 33 frames, while the second 50% bonus only reduces it by 17 frames. - If you compare each step only to the previous total attack speed your perspective makes sense. - However when considering the overall impact it's clear that diminishing returns significantly reduce the effectiveness of additional attack speed because you will reduce less and less frames and thats the only thing that matters ;)
Attack speed is huge for healers. I can't count how many times I tried to do a clutch heal before a dodge roll and got hit because I was 0.1 sec too slow. Same with clay's salvation that takes a while to cast.
Are there any t2 sets you like for pve tank? I see other videos say the best are the crit dmg reduction, shield block set or the dmg reduction, endurance set, but these are not offensive sets, does t2 pve tank need to be tankier?
hey @Grobs so when I swap to my Duke magna GS the stats say Attack Speed 0.42s but when I put Shaikal spear in main hand it says 0.466s. So GS in hands should get me faster animations and all?
when you use a skill from the greatsword, it uses the total attack speed of the greatsword, and when you use a skill from the spear, it uses the total attack speed of the spear. its hard to compare these two values :S
so if i have 0.42 for example i should rly aim to get the 0.40 for the 20% reduction ? so it afftects only when i hit a certain point ? like 0.5->0.4? or is 0.43 for example also doing something ?
I probably didn't explain it clearly. there are no specific thresholds where attack speed suddenly becomes more effective. Any small increase, such as going from 0.43 to 0.42, has an immediate and consistent effect. The table may have made it seem like there were breakpoints, but there aren't! 😊 if there are more question let me know
@grobsXO ahh ,then questlog is wrong .At least for tier2 weapons.I checked the bows and it highlights as green when it's higher number,implying as a positive 🤔
tbh attack speed is like quality of life update to your class it makes everything smoother especially class with channeling animation and bursts mechanics classes so yes attack speed is a must but the question what are you willing to give up just to have that QOL features on your class, its on you
I mentioned this in another comment as well, but it's not the dash itself that's affected, it’s the animation in between. That’s what makes it feel so much faster. I considered bringing this up but decided against it to avoid confusing people.
By animation time, you mean cast time right? Auto attacks mean nothing in TaL, sadly... Certain skills have near instant cast time like stunning blow on GS. Would have been way better for them to put individual casttimes for each skill also display instants, why do they make everything harder here, it was invented maybe 30 years ago and it works just fine :D
The entire animation of a skill is affected by attack speed, whether it's a chargeable skill like Guillotine or an instant skill like counter barrier. so even the skill has not cast time its affected
Grobs, EXCELENT video. You are the only content creator doing real tests. Go for endurance for PVE test, there are tons of questions about it, how exactly endurance works on pve, and how useful it is in high level dimensionals.
@@grobsXO Literally every single player that dont focus on PvP, which is at least 50%. Just pvp player are more vocal, but there are 0 content creators testing things for PvE. T2 is comeing and most pve player want to know if evasion or endurance is better for pve endgame. Remember that the Raid is also comeing to korea on april.
@grobsXO I mean all of the food was good for mid game gear but when best gear max u have it fills like food do nothing to much and when T2 gear comes and don't have new powerful food it's kinda useless
Sorry about that! After I had almost finished the video I realized that it might be too difficult to understand. I need to practice breaking things down more clearly and cutting out unnecessary deep explanations. I'll update my pinned comment with a summary. I hope that helps!
all your animations are faster, not just your chargeable skills. even your instant skills are faster. you will notice a huge difference especially as scorpion.
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➡ *Additional Information:* ⬅
*1. Formula to calculate your total Attack Speed:*
Total AS = (B - 0.002 * D) *(1- (AS/(1+AS)))
B = Base Attack Speed of your weapon.
D = Point put into Dex (base 10 points not included)
AS = Additional Attack Speed (%)
*2. Merciless Barrage*
Not affected by Attack Speed (Bug or intended?)
*3. Quick Fire*
The skill is divided into two animations: the "preparation" phase, which includes everything before the xbow fires the arrows, and the second phase, which covers everything afterwards.
For some reason, the first phase scales only of your additional attack speed. This means that if you have 20% additional attack speed, the preparation phase will be 20% faster. However, the second phase still scales with your total attack speed.
The total attack speed has still a much greater influence overall. Still interesting ^^ (Bug or intended?)
*4. Precision Dash*
The dash of the skill itself is not affected by attack speed, but the animation in between is. So if you have a lot of attack speed, you can use the 2nd dash much faster. This is why it feels like you can dash faster.
*5. Short simplified Summary*
Attack Speed in Throne and Liberty reduces the animation time of skills, making your rotations faster. For example, if your full rotation takes 3 seconds, a high attack speed could reduce it to 2 seconds. You can check your total attack speed in your character window below the base damage. The lower this value the faster your attacks. It is affected by three main factors Base Attack Speed (from your weapon), Dexterity (a primary stat that directly reduces attack speed), and Bonus Attack Speed (a percentage-based increase). All of these factors combine to make your skills and combos faster.
G O A T, you saved me soo much on T2 planning!
Keep doing this and people might actually understand the game. Good content
The editing alone caught my attention at first.
The content is exactly what I like doing, but done by someone more skilled in editing than I am.
Also, comprehensive and summarised video with important information, count me in. Already subscribed.
do damage over time next. burns,dots,bleeds. how they interact with eachother and from different skills
not quite what could be interesting here. did you overserve something special?
@@grobsXO 🤣
Good stuff Grobs! I tested some stuff but was still unsure of some things, thanks for testing it even more!
You're welcome! It's been fun, but I'm done!!!😊
Good Video, again ! Thanks Grobs.
The video would have been perfect if you'd clarified the importance of the synergy between attack speed and cooldown reduction.
Thank for for putting in the work for us Sir! Had a similar question in regards to mitigation. We understand Evasion vs Endurance, could you please consider researching Skill Dmg Resist vs Dmg Reduction vs All Defense (flat Range, Melee, Magic defense stat). Some gear/food offer these stats and I assume they supersede Evasion and Endurance in effectiveness but I dont know how to validate. All of these stats in balance would nicely complement each other vs just stacking Evasion for example. Thanks again for your great information!
Always prioritize Skill Damage Resistance whenever possible. it's incredibly powerful. Next, focus on Evasion or Endurance if you're heavily stacking one of them, as their effectiveness scales significantly the more you have. Damage Reduction is only good for endurance tanks. Defense always good.
@grobsXO That sums it up, thanks for quick reply!
@@grobsXOAlso, there is a food item that gives PVP Hit/Crit Chance. How does PVP specific Hit Chance differ from basic Hit Chance from weapons/gear? Seems like this stat is never mentioned by anyone and I assume they are the same. I have played mmos with pvp gear sets that only work in pvp and same for pve. Thanks again!
Great vid keep it up❤
But why you didn't mention xbow skills thats bugged and not affected by AS? Like xbow barrage taking ~3.5s, and wild barrage taking ~5s.
No matter whats your AS!
Also you didn't mention that auto attacks doesn't match your actual in-game attack speed🥲
missing this
its mentioned in the pinned comment. didnt want to confuse people.
I'm confused on one thing, does your skills use the calculated attack speed value of the main weapon or it uses the calculated attack speed of the weapon its meant for? You didn't explicitly mention this in your gs staff example. So if im holding GS as my main weapon and used a staff skill, whose calculated attack speed value will be used? the main weapon GS or the off hand staff?
I didn't explain it properly. The attack speed always depends on the weapon you're using to activate the skill. So if you use a skill with a greatsword, it will use the attack speed of the greatsword.
amazing content !
Question on your data regarding animation timers - say I have a spear with 0.743 attack speed, and through various sources of attack speed buffs, I bring the value to 0.359. Am I gaining an increase of ~48% animation speed as my attack speed is 41% faster than it was at 0.743, or am I gaining an increase of roughly 40% animation speed as I'm bringing the first decimal down from 0.7 to 0.3? In this instance, as you said, gaining animation speed would equal reducing total frametime for the animation.
If I use a skill that, with 0.743 attack speed, has a 113 frame / 1.89 second animation (at 60 fps, though I do not believe tnl ties frametime to fps like black desert does), does it go to ~67 frames or ~59 with an attack speed value of 0.359 (58.76 rounded for simplicity)?
not quite sure how you get to the 48% or 41%^^ First of all there are no decimal steps. How it would work:
AS1: 0,743 // Frames: 113
AS2: 0,359 // Frames: X
That means 74% of the maximum animation is 113 frames. Now we know that X will be 36% of the maximum animation time. you can simply use the rule of three.
X = 113/0,743 *0,359 = 54 Frames
You can also make a step in between and first calculate the the maximum frames that the skill can have (ASmin: 1,0)
Xmax = 113/0,743 = 152,1 Frames
The animation of the of the skill with AS2 will be 36% of the the maximum animation time.
X = 152,1 * 0,36 = 54 Frames
hopefully that explains it :)
In his video he said they've been studying throne and Liberty for decades but its only been out for of a couple years 😂😂 and this is mentioned in the first seconds of the video
yeah this is obviously the joke!?!?!?!?!?!
hahahaha xD
5:47 first, liked the video and thanks for the hard work! but, wasn't clear on primary weapon part, do you mean each weapon affects its own skill speed, or the lowest attack speed number affects all weapons skills? e.g. if i am holding daggers with 0.3 and a staff with 0.5, my fireball would take the 0.3 number? or it takes from the staff 0.5?
Each weapon has its own total attack speed, which is used when you use a skill from that weapon :)
the "dimishing return" on % value isnt a DR. Its simple math. are 100% faster (cause u got 100% in added atk speed) u need the half time. this even hits on all parts of life not only in TL :D. Some on 200%, if u do somthing 3 time faster as normal u dont need minus 100% u are still need 1/3 of the origin. But thx for testing and explanation, in core it helps me to understand this more and its good to go in this stat.
I’ve already discussed that on my cooldown speed video xD I understand where you're coming from and your reasoning makes sense but ultimately what matters is the reduction of frames for your animation of the skill. The key question is: by how many frames can you shorten your animation? Let’s look at an example:
- Lets say our animation takes 100 frames by default.
-> 50% bonus attack speed reduces it to 67 frames (33.3% actual bonus attack speed).
-> 100% bonus attack speed reduces it to 50 frames (50% actual bonus attack speed).
- The first 50% bonus reduces it by 33 frames, while the second 50% bonus only reduces it by 17 frames.
- If you compare each step only to the previous total attack speed your perspective makes sense. - However when considering the overall impact it's clear that diminishing returns significantly reduce the effectiveness of additional attack speed because you will reduce less and less frames and thats the only thing that matters ;)
So for crusader as example, holding the sns will cast Guillotine faster than holding the gs?
No. Each weapon has its own attack speed, so it does not matter what is your primary weapon is at the moment.
Attack speed is huge for healers. I can't count how many times I tried to do a clutch heal before a dodge roll and got hit because I was 0.1 sec too slow. Same with clay's salvation that takes a while to cast.
its for every class really good
Are there any t2 sets you like for pve tank? I see other videos say the best are the crit dmg reduction, shield block set or the dmg reduction, endurance set, but these are not offensive sets, does t2 pve tank need to be tankier?
PVE you dont need to be tanky for now! for the raids in the future you will probably need to be more tanky :S
Give this man a thumbs up. He deserves it.
any info on base damage vs crit damage?
what do you mean?
Damn, nice video.
What the hell skill was that ice spear that smashes on ground lmao never seen it
Frost Cleaving. Greatsword skill specialization from the skill gaia crash
hey @Grobs so when I swap to my Duke magna GS the stats say Attack Speed 0.42s but when I put Shaikal spear in main hand it says 0.466s. So GS in hands should get me faster animations and all?
when you use a skill from the greatsword, it uses the total attack speed of the greatsword, and when you use a skill from the spear, it uses the total attack speed of the spear. its hard to compare these two values :S
so if i have 0.42 for example i should rly aim to get the 0.40 for the 20% reduction ? so it afftects only when i hit a certain point ? like 0.5->0.4? or is 0.43 for example also doing something ?
I probably didn't explain it clearly. there are no specific thresholds where attack speed suddenly becomes more effective. Any small increase, such as going from 0.43 to 0.42, has an immediate and consistent effect. The table may have made it seem like there were breakpoints, but there aren't! 😊 if there are more question let me know
silly question : Higher number on attack speed STAT is better ,right ? I mean 0.74s AS better than 0.67s AS ?
no. the other way around :) you want to have a low value
@grobsXO ahh ,then questlog is wrong .At least for tier2 weapons.I checked the bows and it highlights as green when it's higher number,implying as a positive 🤔
@@nocomment4u questlog is anyways wrong when it comes AS ^^
I like this video.
Better than the base dmg one
ok thx. can I ask why? :)
Does attack speed effect death from above?
actually not sure. If I had to guess, I would say the early preparation phase does, but not the actual "jump" itself.
tbh attack speed is like quality of life update to your class it makes everything smoother especially class with channeling animation and bursts mechanics classes
so yes attack speed is a must but the question what are you willing to give up just to have that QOL features on your class, its on you
yeah 100%
Next test: does a higher attack speed affect damage for skills that are based on charge time
No, it doesn't. Attack speed doesn't change your damage.
👍👍
Does it work with skills that need to charge of Great sword like death blow and guillotine blade?
Yes obviously. When I use Gale rush on boss guillotine takes half the time to cast
@rizzlybear204 Thanks you for sharing this information.
yes for sure. all skill expect movement skill ^^
Im quite sure mobility skills are also affected, when I precision dash with 80% attack speed with GS/Spear it feels significantly faster than with 30%
I mentioned this in another comment as well, but it's not the dash itself that's affected, it’s the animation in between. That’s what makes it feel so much faster. I considered bringing this up but decided against it to avoid confusing people.
Outstanding!
GROBS FTW!
By animation time, you mean cast time right?
Auto attacks mean nothing in TaL, sadly...
Certain skills have near instant cast time like stunning blow on GS. Would have been way better for them to put individual casttimes for each skill also display instants, why do they make everything harder here, it was invented maybe 30 years ago and it works just fine :D
The entire animation of a skill is affected by attack speed, whether it's a chargeable skill like Guillotine or an instant skill like counter barrier. so even the skill has not cast time its affected
@@grobsXO Yea, they just didn't add all the info on the tooltip, making it much more difficult to know..
thank you, wonderful content!
Sehr gut gemacht Professor TL gruß Elburrito
grüße! spielst noch?
Grobs, EXCELENT video. You are the only content creator doing real tests. Go for endurance for PVE test, there are tons of questions about it, how exactly endurance works on pve, and how useful it is in high level dimensionals.
not quite sure how many people are interested into that :D
@@grobsXO Literally every single player that dont focus on PvP, which is at least 50%. Just pvp player are more vocal, but there are 0 content creators testing things for PvE. T2 is comeing and most pve player want to know if evasion or endurance is better for pve endgame. Remember that the Raid is also comeing to korea on april.
yeah maybe will do that
+1 on this, if endurance helps imagine daggers running the endurance mastery, they could get really tanky on pve
evasion will be sill better in pve
i like a nerd guy like you !
Thanks ❤
Plz make video about the buf food
Isn't so low?
When I use them I don't feel so much different from before use
not quite sure what you mean. dont think they changed something
@grobsXO I mean all of the food was good for mid game gear but when best gear max u have it fills like food do nothing to much and when T2 gear comes and don't have new powerful food it's kinda useless
will see. maybe we will get new food :S
I’m not smart enough to understand this :(
Sorry about that! After I had almost finished the video I realized that it might be too difficult to understand. I need to practice breaking things down more clearly and cutting out unnecessary deep explanations. I'll update my pinned comment with a summary. I hope that helps!
Do basic attacks hit faster with attack speed?
01:26 ;)
Sure thing
Ty very much, it seems i missed it by focusing on the details of the skill castings😂
My staff basic attacks are way too slow. But, the wand however, is much faster so I just use it as main.
wdym decades? the game hasn't been out that long lol
thats the joke^^
@@grobsXO I know, but I had to say that lol
ASPD just give fast charge skill right? Not like COOLDOWN SKILL? As a main Scorpion build NO need ASPD right? .. or oso ASPD effect skill tho?
all your animations are faster, not just your chargeable skills. even your instant skills are faster. you will notice a huge difference especially as scorpion.
Sorry but precision dash is affected by attackspeed
no. the animation in between is affected. the dash itself is not. I thought about mentioning this but I dont want to confuse people too much :D
Informative but those constant sound effects whenever you highlight things was super annoying. Had to stop watching.
ok sorry. thanks for the feedback