SONIC 3D - Super-rare SEGA Channel version
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- Опубліковано 25 вер 2017
- This is the very, very rare (not sure I've seen any footage anywhere) SEGA Channel version of Sonic 3D. Almost the same as the cartridge version but with one major difference...
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Oh god, I really wish you could release this. SEGA Channel is sadly under-preserved since games weren't saved when downloaded, meaning a lot of things were lost to time.
So is Nintendo and Satelliview's service. I mean, there's ROMs, but there's missing audio what with that being streamed via satellite.
Wtf? What reason would this be released? Sonic 3D Blast but with a password to keep playing?
That's ridiculous.
Jordan Scott
Keeping record of history, mostly. Sure, they've re-printed books from the 1800s over and over but there's still special history behind the original manuscripts and certain reprints after the original ones. Having stuff like this around is interesting to enthusiasts.
Fancy seeing you here, Tina Bean. These games should not have gone to waste like this, but I guess that's SEGA's fault.
Jordan Scott - and the ability to not start at the beginning of the game without cheats or buying a whole other system? Sign me up!
Considering the rom is deleted from the Sega Channel adapter when the Genesis is turned off, it's no surprise that there's no footage.
Seriously, that bugs me. You're basically just asking for shit to be lost forever.
That is the ultimate result of always-online DRM. Sega Channel demonstrated it years ago. (Satellaview WOULD have demonstrated it if Nintendo was competent at it, as well, but thankfully their DRM was a bit stupider.)
There are several other Sega Channel-specific builds of games that, to my knowledge, may very well be lost forever because only developers or Sega Channel staff could back them up.
This is why I put effort into game archival. And if anyone asks me who cares? I can point them to GameHut's channel. The audience is there. :)
Kiddo Cabbusses | サテラビュー好きの外人さん
I care
Thank you for keeping stuff archived
@kiddo this, its scary to think what would happen if steam dies tomorrow, all those games gone forever
Armando92 Stuffyou bought off Steam is locally downloaded and stored, although the steam DRM may be a hassle to deal with if it needs to be removed to such a wide scale.
Automatically better, because of the save system.
A password save feature IS better than nothing, huh?
Well I do have Sonic 3D Blast Directors Cut so it has a password save for each level. Plus it's on my Genesis mini so I dont acknowledge it much since the mini console already has its way of saving.
I wasn't even aware this version existed! Thanks for bringing it online to show the rest of the world.
Such an incredible find! And that sine-wave password text is just *so* mid-90's Traveler's Tales.
You mean the sound effect or the way the characters float up and down?
the floating characters
GraveUypo okay. But how do you know what they meant?
because that wasn't very ambiguous. there's no way he's referring to anything else.
GraveUypo You know the sound effect does sound a lot like a sine wave, and most people would refer to a sine wave as a sound, rather than visuals, though I have just noticed that each character moves separately and all of them create a sine wave together (I was originally referring just to how they move up and down, not the image they create)
Ok let's be real here people
Not Available Zone Act 2 is the best sonic level in history.
Edward Ender Nah, Not Available Zone Act 1 has better level design.
Well, I like the boss of Not Avialable Zone Act 3
Nah dude, Not Available Zone Act 2 was waaaaay better than Not Available Zone Act 2
I never could like Not Available Zone act 1 though, something there just rubs me the wrong way...
I think it's just the fact that Sonic 3D has that isometric view and Act 1 of Not Available Zone just messes with the lack of depth perception too much leading to some pretty cheap deaths. I have a greater appreciation for the non-euclidean level geometry introduced in Act 2; that was pretty memorable.
I remember wanting a Sega Channel adapter, but unfortunately the service wasn't available where I live, so I missed out...
Maybe it was for the best, considering Sega Channel was way ahead of its time and I'm sure my parents wouldn't be too keen on having us buy the adapter, plus an activation fee, PLUS a subscription service on top of that.
All in all, this is a nice glimpse of what I couldn't get as a kid, even if I did enjoy the same game in cartridge form anyway.
I remember vaguely going to some Sega Channel promotional thing as a kid. We never did buy it, but I remember Sonic 3D Blast from it. We ended up getting a second-hand Saturn and Sonic 3D on that, but that Sega Channel logo was burned into my brain with no idea where it came from. Thanks for this!
Very interesting insight. Understandably, the Sega Channel service wasn't as well preserved as some other gaming history.
There was a significant amount of improvement on that regard earlier this year - demo ROMs featuring menus for most of the 94/95 year were unearthed along with SC editions of Primal Rage and several Japan exclusives. Hidden-Palace and TCRF should have those covered by now, and I uploaded footage of much of it to UA-cam.
Whoa, I didn't know the Sega Channel version was split like this! Cool to see.
“Let’s activate the secret level select”
So you mean punching the Genesis?
Jay Leu i’m sorry megadrive 2, but i need to get back to regal ruins. **clenches fist**
@@kekodemoner6915 damn you gotta break the genesis to enter regal ruins
Alex Garner just a deluded sega fever dream
No. At the title screen, you need to type "BARACUDA" and press Start.
Y E S
Oh WOW, this was my request! THANK YOU! :)
(Meanwhile, on the Satellaview side of things, a new Event Version of Wario's Woods was unearthed. A nice month for preserving the 90's network gaming scene!)
Anyway to put a technical question into this: the password DID save your emerald count, and if you were qualified for good ending, right?
It was an obvious question tbh. It's highly likely the case to save emerald count. If it saves something as minor as SCORE, it saves emeralds too.
Man, we need the exclusive tracks that are missing from BS F-Zero Grand Prix 2.
Not to mention, a previously lost Chrono Trigger e-magazine (check Hard4Games!).
I think Yoshi no Panepon is more common - or at least that is what I was most likely to run into.
Haha, I was actually helping Luigiblood along with figuring out those Magazine ROMs when they were initially dumped; my most notable contribution was finding the header for the CT magazine, which was confusing because it was a hiROM header placed after the data of the AK Live magazine data, which had a loROM header. HiROM, loROM, both on the same 8M memory pack.
Not even aware of this
only knew about alien soldier being the US version on sega channel
awesome video dude
Yeah! There were a few games that only got releases in North America on the Sega Channel. Golden Axe III was one I think, also Mega Man: The Wily Wars. Apparently even Pulseman too?
There were even games like Chessmaster, Garfield: The Lost Levels, Gotron, Klondike, The Flintstones the movie and World Series Baseball '96 LE which were exclusive to the Sega Channel and were never released in retail form anywhere else, so these games are currently not preserved until they are found in prototype form. At least games like Golden Axe III, Megaman: The Willy Wars and Pulseman were released in retail form in Japan and even Europe in the case of Megaman (I believe several Europe exclusive games like Addams Family Values and Mr. Nutz were also released in North America that way) so they are not lost.
There's also Donald Duck in Maui Mallard, Power Drive, Mr. Nutz, Pulseman, Megaman: The Wily Wars, Golden Axe III, Chessmaster, Garfield: The Lost Levels, Gotron, Klondike, The Flintstones: The Movie, World Series Baseball '96 LE, a special version of Earthworm Jim for SC, International Rugby Body Count, Nightmare Circus, Hurricanes, Blood Shot (Batle Frenzy), The Addams Family Values & apparently Sonic Eraser.
KGRAMR As I said, some of those games were released in retail form in either Japan or Europe (or Brazil in the case of Nightmare Circus) and therefore can be obtained and played, but some others were 100% Sega Channel exclusives and are now lost until they are recovered in prototype form somehow.
...Or unless we recover that damn Galaxy 7 satellite drifting in space: www.n2yo.com/?s=22205
Does the password save the number of Chaos Emeralds collected as well?
The game probably generates a different password, depending on how many Chaos Emeralds have been collected in the previous part.
Call me crazy, but I was absolutely in love with this game. I'm really happy to see that someone who worked on it is taking the time out of their days to break down how the game itself was developed.
Also, this game's music.
I remember seeing Sega Channel at a hockey buddy’s house years ago. I’ve always wanted one, but never did get one as a kid.
On the other hand, I never did see the Sega Channel version of Sonic 3D Blast. That is intriguing.
How come Sonic 3D Blast did not have a save feature?
The PC version did
Two reasons - 1) cost. It added a lot to the manufacturing cost of the cart. 2) Game length. If you could save you could very quickly complete the game. That's why most games didn't have a save at the time. You could complete Mickey Mania in 25 minutes if you were good. Same with Revenge of Shinobi etc.
GameHut I won't lie, I do wish the Saturn version had a game save, that saved your score, lives, and Emeralds. This makes it so much easier to do score runs (since the Special Stages are pretty long in the Saturn version).
I will say, I like how y'all did the Saturn version's acquiring of Emeralds, with one Emerald per act. This kept you from getting all the Emeralds by Rusty Ruin Act 2.
Should of added a Save feature or a password system to the Saturn version, since it's the only Sonic game on that system to not have one.
probably... we only had 12 weeks to port it though...
Man....just thank you for all your contributions to this era of games.
Sega Channel strikes again! Thanks again Jon for showing this to us :-D Also, Sonic 3D Blast fan here ;-)
Thank you so much for uploading this! Can’t tell you how confused I was as a kid on how or why it was split into two and didn’t understand why I could access part two... I miss SEGA Channel.
You've surprised me yet again Jon, I've known about the Sega Channel version of Sonic 3D blast for years and was always curious about how this version worked, but to see actual footage of this rarity and how the game was split for the service is something I never thought I would see, another excellent find from your archives, I hope you can release this one like you did with the test build of Puggsy, this is an important piece of Sega Channel history and it'd be cool to have this preserved for future generations so they can see how certain games needed to be changed for the Sega Channel due to limitations of the adapter.
It's always wholesome to see a dev showcasing their own game, especially an over 20 year BLAST from the past
This is amazing, you're doing videogame history a great contribution by uploading these videos!
I forgot how astonishingly good this game's music is! What was it like making this game in England whilst working alongside Jun Senoue and Tatsuyuki Maeda in Japan, Jon?
The best thing was having Yuji Naka come visit and him drawing Sonic on a restaurant table-cloth!
Hehe wow, that's awesome! Thank you for telling me about it!
@rightangle4748 LMAO
man i totally had the sega channel, don't remember this being cut into parts at all. keep these rad vids coming man.
I played this game on the Sega Channel, I never had a physical copy of Sonic 3D blast sadly. I think I remember Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 or Mortal Kombat 3 having to be split into two parts as well.
You should really get in touch with Unseen 64 sometime if you have anything else interesting to show off, they specialise in cancelled and undeveloped video games so I'm sure they'd jump at the chance to talk with you.
oh boy, you haven't seen the cutting room floor
tcrf is filled with political bs tho
It is? I'm curious to know more about it.
Falcon Bleck I don' t get it...
ZoneofDoom Seconded
I love how you jumped back up to collect the Green Flicky real quick before heading back down into the hot zone at the end. Anyway, it's awesome to see these little bits of history, as always. Thank you for this.
Thanks so much for sharing this!
My neighborhood out in the middle of nowhere (SOMEHOW) was one of the test areas for Sega Channel. AAA I wanted it so much, but my mom was not havin' it. (We still rented games from the video store so... ?!) One of my neighbors had it, and I was totally fascinated. Seems like I remember it taking a while to download. Wasn't much worse than waiting on a C64 game to load at the time, heh.. Was crossing my fingers that some day they would have the capabilities of long distance 2P! (That's how we used to dream before the internet, kiddos) In the early 80's during the arcade craze and the birth of consoles, we used to get teased that somehow you'd be able to get games through your TV in the future. Wish my dad had lived to see how all of this stuff ended up progressing. He called some of it.
Whenever I think of Sonic 3D Blast, I can’t help but wonder: Did anyone go through the whole thing from start to finish in just one sitting?
The answer is obviously yes, but I can’t imagine how much patience you must have to do so.
Not only it's a pretty long game, but it’s also kinda hard and even frustrating at times.
I am loving these videos. I grew up playing so many Traveler's Tales games. Sonic R, Sonic 3D Blast, Toy Story 2, and Buzz Lightyear of Star Command were some of my favorite games and they hold up. Thank you for sharing developer secrets!
Man, I remember playing Part 1 years ago on my Sega Channel, and having to wait two weeks (by that time they went bi-weekly updates) just to play Part 2.
Never thought I'd see any SEGA Channel games see the light of day, this is amazing! Thank you for posting this!
People: sonic 3D blast is lost media
Gamehut: mind if I am a witness
This is cool to see. As a fan of this too-often overlooked game, and someone who had the Sega Channel, it's nice to get this look back. I can't remember now if I played this on the Sega Channel, but I had a subscription from roughly May 1995-November 1997, and I think I was already somewhat familiar with the game when I rented it a year or two later, so...probably did play this version.
Oh wow, how did the ROMs for this version survive after all these years?
The guy who made this video is (or was) from Travellers Tales, so he kept the backups of the game.
That's awesome
Too bad the infamous 'Garfield Lost Levels' wasn't made by them, that's a real loss :-(
not only is he from Travellers Tales, he is also the *director* of Travellers Tales, Jon Burton. His name is the first to come up when he shows the credits in this video!
When I played Sonic 3D Blast, I could never find Tails of Knuckles in Volcano Valley.
I had Six Chaos Emeralds as well...
SEGA was really all over the place in the early to mid 90s. Genesis/Mega Drive, SEGA CD, SEGA 32x, Saturn, Game Gear, Pico, SEGA Channel...
I remember seeing this game being demoed at a Sega Channel kioskset up by the local cable TV company. I signed up for the 2-week Sega Channel free trial, and borrowed a friend's Genesis (for the next 6 months) for the purpose. That is when I became the Sonic fan that I am today.
Now THESE are the original Sonic 4 Episodes 1 and 2!
I loved sega channel. I though I was the only one who remembered any facts about it all and here's a video precisely about that. This was always the best video game subscription ever. Screw Gamefly. Sega brought you seemingly infinite amount of titles and a ton of demos ahead of release dates. It was nuts. That's why the guy had to say SEGA all freaked out after awhile because that's what we, the sega channel players would exclaim every month when a new pack of about 40 games came in along with many of the favorites from the previous month. All thr sonics , road rash, fifa, nhl, skitchin, it was crazy. Pair this sheer ingenuity with the magical wizardy of an x - band and you were the coolest kid on the block. Don't get me started on modern cross-compatibility issues, '94 didn't have that problem. Ok I rambled enough for now I'm passionate about sega channel.
Dirk Berserk Sega Forever does sound like a modern version of Sega Channel.
SonicMaster Sword I agree and am very excited about it
Sega forever is pure ad filled garbage lol
It's amazing how much beta and different content from games gets leaked by the developers. Excellent work, Jon!
People dont beleive me when I say 3D Blast is my favorite sonic game and has the best OST, underated
It's not a bad game and the music is great. Rusty Ruin, Diamond Dust, and Volcano Valley esp.
saturn/PC OST is my fav
You right...this game was really underrated.... ESPECIALLY the OST
This game is great, dont know why people hate it
I'll agree with the "best OST" part, at least. Either version, really. They brought their A game when designing the two soundtracks, seriously. Some of my favorite songs of the entire franchise come from this game's two soundtracks.
MAN, GameHut is just so cool! Your content is totally awesome!
Oh my god. I love you and your channel so much!
It *would* make sense that the whole of "Sonic 3D Blast" couldn't fit in the Sega Channel's memory at once; the same is true for "Ancient Stone Tablets", which technically is an official Nintendo hack / sequel for "A Link To The Past" played over the Bandai Satellaveiw X modem. "Ancient Stone Tablets had to be broken into *four* broadcasts.
I realized that the music at the credits was remixed and used at the Sonic mania trailer
Erika Palacios Which trailer? The credits theme sounds so familiar.....
EDIT: Never mind, it's from the very beginning of the reveal trailer.
O_O I NEVER NOTICED THAT!
I miss the sega channel. It was awesome
I haven't seen the Sega Channel version of Sonic 3D Blast in over 20 years! I remember it being split into two parts along with other games.
Okay, this is really damn cool, it's something that'd probably be lost to time without this channel.
Ahaahaa, what?? I had no idea this exists! How cool! Thank you for sharing
They SPLIT Sonic 3D Blast to 2 parts, like Clockwork Knight?
Scott, Glad Sonic 3D Blast is the full game on SUGC!
such an underrated channel
I had the sega channel when I was like age 11. That was awesome!!! It was available when TCI had took over Viacom in Seattle. Around 1994-1996
so interesting. thank you for showing it!!
Always exciting to see new tidbits related to the Sega Channel, especially since I wasn't able to experience it at the time due to - well, probably a variety of reasons including it not being rolled out in my area. I would be curious to know how wide Sega Channel distribution was in it's short-lived heyday.
sega channel, one kid in school had this, but their parents didnt like other kids coming in their house, one time i was lucky enough to come in and see sega channel. i remember sonic 2 was on there and mega bomber man, the games changed each month or something like that
I had a friend with Sega Channel. It'd be amazing if someone ever found the NTSC US version of Mega Man: The WIly Wars that doesn't run at 50hz but is in english.
ClexYoshi Quick internet search will find you an actual repro cart for sale.
I was under the impression that the Repros are just a homebrew fix of the PAL carts or something.
I miss Sega Channel, I always looked forward to the next batch of games every month. I remember Mortal Kombat 3 had 2 parts as well.
I remember Mortal Kombat 3 having a special preview version on Sega Channel. It had half the characters split up into two versions like this...
I found amazing the effect on Robotnik's glass shield as you hit it, man i loved this game as i was a kid
Wow! I didn't even know such a version existed!
I remember playing Sonic Spinball on a Sega Channel at the cable company back in the 90s. I never knew Sonic 3D blast was available on Sega Channel.
Thanks this was lost till you found it great job wish you good luck with sonic r
"Let's activate the secret level select"
*gives the cartridge a GRAND UPPAAAHH while it's running*
I could watch this guy talk about old games forever
I love this UA-cam channel!!! Sega Channel was awesome! My friend had it when we kids... 50 new games a month... Too had they didn't have it for SNES
1:22 the exact same music was used in the Sonic Chronicles level Central City
Same music just butchered to fuck.
That Sega intro is the best one ever! Also Sega Channel was the shiz back in the day!
one of the best sega genesis hardware pushers. sound/ music is top level and so are the graphics.
Meaning that password would've needed to carry information on emeralds collected among other things.
No wonder you were able to put that password system into Director's Cut. Awesome.
Jon , I've got to say, I've really enjoyed your channel so far keep up the great work.
I fondly remember this game and even played the Sega Channel version which led me to by the copy of the game. Seriously Sega Channel was awesome. Thanks for making that version!
I would love to see if there could be anything further that you can share about the Genesis Development Platform Hardware?
Likes? Dislikes? Things that were super annoying? Qwerks?
What was all of the information/hardware/software did you need to start programming for it back in the day? Is that something you could even share?
If you don't, maybe somebody else you know could also comment regarding developing for the 32x and Sega CD as well?
I Personally would like to try my own hand at it and enjoyed the little demo that you released on one of your previous videos. I would really like to do some homebrew for the genesis and potentially release a modern game for it maybe an RPG along the lines of Pier Solar and the Great Architects. I always wondered if there could be some great RPG potential for the Genesis other than Phantasy Star. Maybe with some modern thinking applied there could be some more power squeezed out of it. Shining Force Series is one of my favorites.
And a big thanks to SEGA for the SEGA Channel. Best childhood memories ever!
I played the demo version of this way back when before they released it! It only had Green Grove zone but I thought it was the neatest thing to try games early like that. Sega Channel was way ahead of its time.
Ah Sega channel. One thing I wanted as a kid that I never got. I remember my cousin having the second Channel and playing Sonic 3D Blast in asked if the regular cartridge. That I owned had a part one and part two to it.
Sugar was way ahead of its time with the Sega Channel. If it had caught on a lot more when I was out we probably all be playing stream counsel's instead of actually buying the actual software and Hardware.
I actually had Sega Channel back in the day and it was pretty amazing. Defiantly ahead of its time and something that modern game companies are only taking advantage of. Out of curiosity, do you know exactly what month Sonic 3D Blast 1 & 2 went live and if it was one of the premium games you had to pay extra for? I remember playing Sonic 1 for the first time on Sega Channel, but I never remember seeing 3D Blast.
This does remind me of games on 8-bit Amiga computers, and even a few Sega CD games like night trap, where the second part is on the second disc.
This channel just keeps those undocumented Sonic prototypes coming.
how many people used to have the Sega channel subscriprion back then?, i didn't even knew it was avaiable in America or Europe
At its peak it had about 250k Subscribers
Not to be morbid but do you have it set up so that your entire archive of Sega projects gets uploaded somewhere when you die? Or at least a drive will all the files will mysteriously show up at several of the people biggest in the retro Sega preservation scene?
I think the work you did and are doing now is absolutely amazing and I love all your videos. I just really hope your work gets preserved for as long as possible.
one really great looking game. i remeber beekng blown away by it's graphics.
Is there a uncompressed version of the intro to sonic 3D Blast??
Fusion There was but he lost it
Megane That's ashame.
:(
3:38
I was thinking to myself:
‘AGH! I know this song from somewhere!’
Then I realised...
It was in one of sonic mania’s trailers...
One that hyper potions and other one worked on called checkpoint...
They recreated it XD
This music also played in the "NO WAY? NO WAY!" anti piracy screen
This is how I first experienced 3D Blast :)
I had sega channel and the early (good) version of cartoon network. Life was good.....
Cool stuff! Would have loved something like Sega Channel 'back in the day' as I was allowed limited games and had to finish or sell what i had before i got anything new so this probably would've been more efficient. XD
I distinctly remember a Sonic 3D Blast demo on the Sega Channel that ended with the boss in Green Grove and gave us a password. It was either to continue with the full game once that dropped, or it was for some contest because the game was brand spanking new. Does anyone else remember that?
I miss this game and sega channel was aewsome.
You know what I would love to know? How this SEGA intro was made. It's my favorite Sega intro!
Thanks Gamehut!
This happens if your online service doesn't have Lock-On Technology™ (Great video btw)
Watching this makes me wish I could've experienced SEGA Channel, even if there was like a mock version of it. I'd have been way too young to take advantage of it.
Cool. Never got a chance to try Sega Channel.
Ah yes, the game was split due to Sega Channel's memory storage limits. (IIRC it topped out at 32 Megabit/4 MB). Sonic 3D Blast was just over that limit.
That reminds me of the "special version" of Super Street Fighter II Sega Channel had (you can also see them tout this in some of the Sega Channel adverts), which was basically the game with half the characters enabled/disabled depending on which "half" of it you loaded. That game was even bigger - 40 Megabits/5 MB, and was so big it was one of the relatively few games that required bankswitching to work.
What I'd really like to see is some footage of "Garfield: The Lost Levels." They were cut levels from "Garfield: Caught in the Act." I haven't seen them anywhere since I saw them on Sega Channel.
The credits beginning of the this credits theme was remixed for Sonic Mania's initial reveal trailer. I just noticed that.
I remember sega channel, it was awesome.
Interesting! Honestly, I never knew there was a SEGA Channel version of this game... Such a good game... Thank you for sharing this video! Although I'm curious - in level select, what happens if you try to choose any of the 'not available' zones? I mean I'm assuming nothing happens, but I'm still curious.
Nice to see the iconic sega scream again. Can you please do another sonic R one? Or some more wrath of cortex footage?
I had the sega channel for a bit as a kid
Interesting that you added that password system...that's a good way of carrying that progress over. I mean....I suppose you could have just stuck people into those levels without doing that but it seems like a more complete and cohesive experience if you're bringing progress over.