Is BMW Reliable? 2023 S1000RR and M1000RR Long Term Review
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- How reliable is BMW? We go into depth with years of experience with the brand and product.
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CHAPTERS IN THIS VIDEO
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0:00 - Intro to BMW S1000RR and M1000RR
02:11 - 10-14 S1000RR Common Issues
02:38 - 15-16 S1000RR Common Issues
03:02 - 17-19 S1000RR Common Issues
03:19 - 20-24 S1000RR Common Issues
06:02 - 21-24 M1000RR Common Issues
08:43 - Why we bought the 23 S1000RR
09:27 - General Maintenance and Testing
12:38 - Should You Buy a BMW?
14:16 - S1000RR and M1000RR Rideability and Features
17:09 - Recap and Helpful Tips For Ownership
The views and potential failures expressed in this video are spoken in generalities. We understand that even if you do everything correctly, there still may be a failure in any motorcycle or part.
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Finally, a decent summary of the BMW brand. Most of what I hear is that these bikes are boring. I don't own an M/S1000RR but I've been riding an S1000R for a few years (2017 - 2020 - till now). Every time the motorcycle makes me smile and gives me the pleasure of riding in the city or at fast twisty roads. It is even suitable for longer trips. To sum up, I have never had any problems with these motorcycles, everything is done according to the instructions by the BMW dealer. Thanks and I hope there will be more videos like this.
I bought my 2010 s1k 3 years ago, I’ll be 28 this year lol. I hope to keep it alive and fill in the shoes of the old fast guy on an old bike. Even now every brand from my group loves my bike and can’t beat the OEM quickshifter or sound when shifting
Good info!
Wideband sensors and slide control really took the 2023 bike to the next level, to me thats the best sports bike you can get for the money. I bought the '23 S1000R and I still want a RR, maybe soon. Great video man.
Very well put, in-depth video. Great job again BTMOTO!
You guys are great.. Very knowledgeable and great info. Ty for the content.
Dude, thank you SO much for making this video and any like it related to the newer S1000RR's !!
Appreciate this video and all the videos you guys make. I just got a 24 M1000R and will be breaking it in soon as per your method. Then, next year itll be time for a BT tune. Keep up the good work guys, cheers from up north in Canada.
Thank you for the information great review!
1 mil subs. Wow! You deserve it, guys. Wish you all the best.
Valuable video. Thanks for sharing!
I like your videos very well done. Great detailed information thank you 😊
Thanks about this man
I love this ..please keep posting more stuff like this its educational.. i have an idea of maybe going over stage 2 full system with air filter what hp it could make because not everyone runs stacks and stuff and it could help alot in the market to choose you over slr ..like dyno top end track feel what setup you ran
Couldn't be more happier and I'm glad to came across this amazing helpful tips as later afternoon I will be receiving my first 23 S1000RR handover from the dealer! Thanks for reassuring me that I've made the right choice BT Moto! Love your contents and products!
i love these in depth reviews
Thanks for taking the time to share the knowledge, us riders really appreciate cha. Will there be any other "BU Code Tricks" posted? Stay safe👍🏾
Top vid, loved it. 👍
Great breakdown 😊
Great vid. More like it a must.
Amazing, thank you...
Super stuff man. You always cut through the bullshit with testing and facts
Great informational video keep them coming!!
As a 21 M1000RR owner I did lose a motor after which i never really warmed up to the bike after it was replaced. However, you brought up some good points. I think I have some confidence back in the bike. Keep in mind that this bike is serving track duty only.... anyway thanks for the videos as always...
Excellent info and lots of good common-sense stuff here.
Nice video keep up the good work
Thank you for the insight on S1000rr's over that length of history. I am still without my '24 after they took my '23 on 12/10/23 due to a stop sale on the connecting rods, or so I was told by the dealership. BMW Motorrad would not share the information to confirm this from the dealer. I have been in contact with your sales and since they took the bike with the tune installed, I have to pay that 400 to unlock and then add the new vin, I am not complaining but I tried to get BMW to cover that and they said I should have submitted it earlier in the process. I did beat my '18 RR pretty well and traded it in with 16000ish miles on it, for the '23. I am not very happy with how BMW Motorrad has handled my situation. I THINK, they should have told me to go to a dealership and send them the vin and we will issue it to you and keep the loan going. They are having me redo everything again, but whatever. Thank you for putting out all of this knowledge from your experiences and research, keep it up!!
Superbe vidéo merci ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ ❤️
I own a single R and an RR for track, thanks for this content. Such a great resource for the best motorcycle brand in the market…much appreciated!
i really wanted to buy an s1k but i was also worried about the reliability after seeing all the engine blown videos, but now i am really confident after seeing this video because if you are saying its reliable its goddamn reliable for sure. thanks for this amazing video
Good job mate 👍
I appreciate vids like these I love the bmw s1000rr I did have an engine failure with my 2022 but since I had done things properly I did get my motor replaced I’ve just gotten the break in period on motor #2 and since we have had so much rain I’m trying to enjoy as much as I can
Were you Bren tuned when the motor went out?
Great review video mate, I own a 2023 BMW S1000RR M SPORT, and I love the bike, the quick shifter is excellent, the electronics are excellent, the display is wonderful, I couldn't ask for a better bike.
Awesome information would like to see the comparison with the M1000rr and the S1000rr
I vote YES on a comparison video between S and M RRs. Especially interested in maintenance differences.
Totally agree with your whole video, well done, you nailed it 100%. I’ve had multiple BMW’s, 2022’s & 2023’s, but was one of the unlucky ones that had a rod go on the 2023 @ 3500km. It was tuned with straight thru exhaust and ridden hard(not thrashed) but was serviced and looked after. Fully done under warranty by BMW. Service was excellent. Can’t fault BMW
I had NO idea you all were at ShiftS3ctor events in an official capacity. I've got your stage 2 on my S1000R and have been mulling running it at Indy end of this summer. Hope to see you in KS as that's the earliest one I hope to have the M8 Comp prepperd for. Cheers.
Very good rundown, thanks for posting this. Hopefully this will put some of the Internet drama to bed. It’s getting ridiculous.
I agree.., all these guys making videos with their mods rev bombíng ecu flashes full exhaust etc etc I get all that stuff or some of it anyway is cool but if they would just treat these bikes better maybe they wouldn’t have all the issues they are having., just saying
finally i found what i was looking for
Yes a video on the differences between the S and M would be great so we can decide if the M is worth it over the S for our own individual use
Thank you Troy for making this video. I love my 2021 S1000RR and she has been bullet proof so far. I know you mentioned to only use BMW oil but what are your thoughts on the Motul 7100 which is made to be run on the street? Would you recommend it and I do change the oil every 3000 miles or 6 months, whichever comes first. Thank you!
That’s a good street oil and yes, we always follow the 3k miles or 6 months rule for standard riding. Can’t hurt to change the oil too much
I had TWO solenoids, a few months apart, give out on my 21 S1000RR. On the good side: BMW roadside assistance is responsive (can run circles around slow AAA).
Traded the 21 in for the 23 M1000R. Happiness ensues.
I’ve had 2 S1000r’s (2018-2021) and now a M1000R ride 7K mls per yr with some track days included and had never any issues.
The carwow video is the most damning. 😂 that video was more about the G82 instead of the K66. And that bike was 100% stock.
I own a '19 RR with 15k miles and its the most reliable bike I had. Also I did days of 500 km, no problem. I used to do track days with race-spec small CC bikes and going from the race bikes to the RR is like going from a jeep to a Mercedes.
Daft question maybe, but how do you over rev with the rev limiter and surly everyone hits it from time to time do they not? Just me?
Could you do more of a comparison between the S1000rr and the V4 both 2023+ if possible.
I have a 22 S1000rr with 28,xxx mi and still going strong. BT Tune since 8k mi. I change my oil every 2500-3000 mi and the only thing that I had to replace is the timing chain tensioner (other than regular service items I.E. spark plugs, clean air filter, and etc.) I think people should realize that 200+hp from a 1 liter engine is a lot of power and in order for it to last then adequate service is needed.
Great video! I have a 23 s1000rr stage 2 with stage 2 add on's, you ever notice oil mist coming out the sides of the bike (settling on top the clutch cover) while hard riding above 170mph. or even riding low gears (hard riding shifting at 13.5) not going higher than 5th gear? I sent my bike back to the dealer but they seen nothing wrong other than the air box was dirty with oil that came up the ventilation hose coming from the crank case(due to pressure from high speeds). They cleaned it and i took the bike back to do more testing to see if it will do it again and....it did. i even installed a catch can kit from Alpha racing and its still doing it but now i know my air box will stay clean tho. lol Any ideas?
A leaky Valve cover gasket can do something like that
I thought this was a well balanced review, my M1000rr is BT Moto Stage 2 with everything and ive followed this advice and its been fine and i hammer it hard, no smoking.
My company also sponsors a team in BSB which runs BMW and they said the same, stick to BMW oil (which they said is developed by Shell) and they no issues with their engines either.
Cool review. Thanks!
My 2020 s1k m package on 7,600 miles got 4th cycle issue. When I bought this machine looks nice and fresh, but after 300 miles my owners engine blows up. The first owner put 1st stage BT and bike driving nice.
The Dealer diagnostic over rpm abuses the reason engine failure. Not cover by extended warranty.
When open engine the piston is crashed cylinder. Need replace the engine. New engine cost $11,750 labor include. Nothing to say, got bad experience.
I was worried about my 24 s1000rr but after this video I feel alot better about my purchase
I sold my GSX-R600 and I bought one S1000RR 24, I have a feeling that both are good bikes. But… the RR needs more attention to the details and dealer instructions ❤
@@th33ng bmw Motorrad dealers suck honestly, I work for the cars side and our warranty kills motorads, you will think it's the other way around, with motorcycles
@@ghostvardy6693 Thanks for sharing this information. I'm not living in the States and maybe my experience is quite different. Where I live the Motorrad dealers are much better than other brands (Yamaha, Suzuki). BMW around here is like "cost to be a boss" 💸.
If I had to place bets on which bike was more comfortable for both short term and medium term riding on the roads(including short 300 mile touring stints), out of all the bikes(bmw s1000rr, ducati panigale v4/v4s/v4R, Aprilia 1100 and kawasaki ninja h2), I would without a doubt choose the s1000RR every single time in every single instance 😁
I own an 22 M1K and SP2 and can unequivocally say that after riding the Ducati around for a couple days, getting back on the M1K feels like a cruiser bike, it's that comfortable.
@@j.taveras8447 exactly !
Are your remarks from these video applicable to the naked version of these bikes (S1000R)?
The New M1000RR Competition is so much different than my 2020 S1000RR with stage 2. 😊
Hi. That was so interesting. Yes do more videos like this please. I think you mentioned your recommendation for break in but couldn't see the link. I've got a 2024 S1000RR and done 486km so far, just been following the manual descriptions of no more than 7000 rpm for 1st 300km and now less than 9000rpm, but I've been doing it while street riding during shorter rides and varying the revs constantly and allowing deceleration under engine breaking. Sounds about right to you? Regards.
That sounds dead on what I had to suffer through on my '23. Look in the manual, it states all of the requirements for the rev ranges and how many miles/km. But here it is anyway
Until the first running-in
check, vary the throttle
opening and engine-speed
range frequently; avoid riding
at constant engine speed for
prolonged periods.
Try to do most of your riding
during this initial period on
twisting, fairly hilly roads.
Comply with the running-in
speeds.
Running-in speed
manuals.bmw-motorrad.com/manuals/BA-Extern/IN/BA-INTERNET-COM/PDF/S_0E21_RM_0520_01.pdf if they don't break the link
@@jasonisdn Thanks!
Sounds like you’re on the right track. We have a video we linked that shows us breaking in our M1000RR brand new. See our channel. Thanks
@@BT_Moto Thanks, found the video. Regards.
Just bought a 2024 premium package.
From the day I drive it home from
The dealer, it had a “fault in engine” code come up on the dash. Bike broke down with no throttle response and then I was told they had to change a “cam sensor” if I’m correct.
If you look at who makes bmw advancetech oil is shell....I've been using motul 7100 oil in all my bikes I use hiflo oil filters and air filters...and make my own sump washer out of aluminum on the lathe never had a problem...
Great information. How many miles did you have on the M1Krr and the S1Krr? Also Ive heard The M1000rr requires a full engine tear down "engine service" at 30,000km(18kmiles), on top of switch cam adjuster inspection, new O2 sensors, new gear shift indicator sensors. All things the S does not require. Do you know about this?
Couple thousand on each. Nothing crazy. 18k isn’t bad for a race engine. The V4R has intervals at 1500 track miles for engine test down and piston replacement, I believe.
@BT_Moto if not being raced would it need all that work? Asking because I've put 90k and counting on my 08 zx10r and aside from valve adjustments nothing internal has been needed in either the engine or gearbox, and I'm geared low enough to use the whole rev range daily.
I'm looking between the kawasaki, BMW, Ducati, or Aprilia for my next daily, just want to make sure that one or the other doesn't need excessive maintenance compared to the other (I do all the work myself on schedule.)
Thanks for the info and trusted tunes!
@@vtxgenie1 seen Gen 4 S1000RR’s over 60k miles. Just depends how you ride it and take care of it.
Awesome Bmw
So if you get a 2020 or 21 could I get the parts to improve the bike over an M1000RR, or would it be better to get a 23 and set that up.
2023 is the easiest way. It’s 75% of a 21 M1000RR
I have M1000R for 12 months and opt reads 210000km(13M) so far no issues yet.I also like to mention that my bike got new oil every 2k(1.2M) due to multiple track and some spirit riding.I got it unlock at 1.5k(930M) 4set of tyres gone within the year but the bike looks solid
just
First oil/oil filter was done at 1K(620M) but unlock was done as previously mentioned at 1.5 I just thought to send this clarification as BMW would like it to have it unlock earlier cheers J
Any issues you’re seeing with 23’ and 24’ s1000r? I have the single R and was wondering on your input. I realize this is an RR video.
That’s a pretty solid platform
@@BT_Moto Thanjs for reply!
you guys should do an in-depth "how to properly break in" video for the new gen BMW
On our channel as we broke in our 23 M1000RR in real time
@@BT_Moto not gonna lie I commented before I finished the video I see that now 🤣
Great info, I recently bought one and trust BMW not abusing my bike just spirit riding it and not planning on bouncing off the rev limiter. planning on the BT tune once she is broken in and close to 1000 miles ..;)
I have a good riding experience with 150-250cc bikes and im pretty confident to get the s1000rr. Is it a good idea to start riding it on rain mode and start learning at lower speeds (i want to get a 1000cc cause it very difficult in my country to find good deals on other motorcycles) is it a good beginner friendly liter bike?
In theory you could ride any bike with the right attitude/ discipline.
@@daveo9844 thanks man i really appreciate it
Yammie newb does a video on rain mode.
Like the other comment said, if you're very gentle with the throttle movements from the start you might be ok, but the best bet is slow speed, tight turn practicing every day until you can be very smooth with the throttle, clutch, and brake at the same time.
There's lots of learning involved, especially with 200hp literbikes (I'm still on one with around 150-160hp after over 20 years of total riding), it's very easy to crash from not being smooth in any number of ways so if you have to get this kind of bike first, again just practice, practice, practice. A stunt cage is a good idea too.
I'd still recommend the Yamaha mt-09 or similar first for half the price and all the most usable features
@@vtxgenie1 thanks brother
Just had my clutch release shaft fail at 5500 miles on my 2022 S1000RR. Completely worn out. 😔
Would like to see an R1250RT before and after a Bren tuning..!!
One of our first reviews but still lacking a dyno on camera for that. 1300 coming next week with our prototype stacks
@@BT_Moto
I have seen the video of the 1250GS, but haven’t seen one on the RT.
I’m considering a stage 1 for my 2021 RT. Really enjoy your videos. 👍🏻
So do you think Mani and Bill worked these motors too hard after the unlock of rpms? I note that the unlock is between 350-750 miles, but BMW still want the owner to follow break in up to the first 1000 miles...
I had a coil pack go bad at 13k miles on a 2023 s1000rr I don’t do nothing on this bike I haven’t done with any of my other bikes and this is the first coil pack I’ve had go bad . And yes I got the bike brand new
There’s exceptions to every rule, as we stated in the video.
@BT Moto How do I get the flat spot at 61-7900RPM fixed
Our flash
S1000RR Vs M1000RR please!
I had the opportunity to meet you on a track day in chuckwalla.
I’m on a situation that I need to get my bike flashed or I will sell the bike.
I have only 1100 miles on the bike and one track day, which was enough to get me frustrated.
Why have a 200hp top of the line if you can’t use the full power/capability of the bike.
My biggest concern is to get my bike flashed and have bmw deny my claim in case something goes bad in the future.
I’m considering sell the bike and get a RSV4 Factory.
I would lose money but…
Please guide me on the correct direction and if you say that is “ safe “ to get the bike flashed and not having bmw giving me shit for flashing the bike, I will get the stage 1 right now.
Plus, that cold start noise that the bike has drives me nuts
Thanks and I will wait your reply 👍🏻
Stage 1 and keep the stock RPM limiter. Do not raise it.
how many gsxr1000 engines blow up??
How would anyone know that? Dumb question
14
Not enough
Low hp engines don't blow up.
Had the 2012 s1000 with bearing issue (recall was done) after that the conrod ended up out true the engine caseing nearly killed off it I can't articulate how difficult BMW
where to deal with i WILL never buy a BMW again pile of crap
Ps was broke in and was 100% Stock
Yeah that is an old bike but the new s1000rr are great! Now, Mani, over at Motomillion, had an engine blowout on his m1000RR and BMW didn't even honor the warranty. So, that alone would keep me from buying the m1000RR at least. But, I would trust the s1000RR since the internals are not exactly the same as that of the m1000RR. Also, Bill, over at CaliMoto, had a blowout on his M1000R bike while on the track and that told me NOT to get that particular bike...lol..lol
Well it's there attitude with bmw customer service here in Ireland
Basically they get your money and F you after that
@@K-carbon that's a pretty sad state of affairs . The ONLY way around that is to ignore the bmw brand alltogether and go to one of their competitors and then ride the competitiors bike in the front of their store every day for a week...lol..lol
Sorry to hear that. There will always be a lemon here in there with every manufacturer. As stated in the video, make sure you have a good relationship with your dealer and always CYA with records. BMW may not be perfect, but who is? We have been lucky dealing with BMW Motorrad since 2010 and have a great relationship with multiple dealers. Poor treatment of the customer is never justified but hopefully they can make it up to you some day.
@@BT_Moto My man; there's is a really nice bmw dealership about 5 minute drive down the street from where we live so it's easy to bring the bike to them if any issues occur for sure. There's also 2 other excellent mechanics, that used to work for that dealership, who are 20 year veterans, and they now each have their own shop, with plenty of 5 star reviews, and the maintenance prices are nearly 50% less than bringing the bike to the actual bmw dealership...I really like BMW s1000RR. With that said there's a KTM dealership as well as a Suzuki Hayabusa dealership; but I'm sticking with BMW for sure...About 20 miles or so from where I live there's a Ducati dealership called Coleman Powersports(Yes, the same dealership that 650iB will be at both today, April 26th & 27th) which is located in Woodbridge, Virginia. But, personally, I don't trust their mechanics and have seen too many horror incidents and read too many stories of the negative issues with the mechanics. But, it would be a good place to buy a motorcycle. I would still choose BMW :)
How come you didn't say a word about Motomillion's broken engine ?
Everyone has seen the video, and we're 100% friends and Mani is a dealer of ours. The point of this video is to just help customers keep the dealers happy and the bikes together for a long time. We've had an overwhelmingly positive experience with all our bikes. The goal of this video is not to out any one or say xyz was wrong, just point to what has caused problems on these bikes and what to do to avoid it.
You mention “ Break-in” several times in the video. How do you break in the bikes. Do you prefer doing it on the dyno, or on the road ? Do you use 100% throttle early on in the beginning etc ?
Next question. How can BMW talk about over revving ? Can they see that ?
We have a video on our channel of us breaking in our 2023 M1000RR live. Check it out
14:53 you say the quick shifter is great then why do so many people switch to a alpha? Personally i love my stock shifter
Nothing wrong with alpha but I don’t notice a difference between that and stock
You sound like Ryan Reynolds’s to me
The problems associated go beyond general maintenance and break-in periods. The fact is that the broken bikes are outliers of the manufactured bikes. Throughout this model design, there are more outliers period. It's QC, GD&T design, and DFM by the engineers and comes with the release of a ANY completely new model design. I hate that our trying so hard not to say one bad thing about the latest models s1k
S1000R is the same ?
Which one is your favourite???
At 42 yrs old . Been in the roll race scene for a while. These bikes are just hit or miss just like their cars. When they are running good they are beasts but when problems occur forget it. Bmw looks for any reason to void . Honestly I like your channel sounds like BMW has you in their pockets . As owner of few s1000rrs and e93 m3 platforms . Bmw not reliable
Not everyone has the same experience but BMW doesn’t have anything to do with our videos. Good experiences with their cars and bikes, honestly. Of course that doesn’t mean everyone has a great experience. Same can be said for any manufacturer.
@@BT_Moto you still make great videos though
Great info.
BMW = Bring More Worries
Buy more warranty. (2020 S1000RR owner)
It took Toyota to help BMW make a reliable motor with the B58. They were lucky to have that happen and now that motor is legendary. They need to reach out again for help but Toyota can't help them because they are in bed with Yamaha. Good Luck !!!
From what I've seen so far as an example, that motomillion shop does a lot of stupid sheyt with bmw bikes that harms the bike like what he said. Acting like they know more about the bike than the manufacturer.
You just listed a litany of problems from crank bearings to overheating, to total engine failure. Weep holes, shift cam failures, total cam replacement at 30,000??? wtf. Ignition coils, coil packs, punching holes in the block. What total hunks of shit. Garbage. Just say it plain. BMW shocks also constantly blow seals, rod knock, burning oil like crazy. POS. Go Kawasaki.
Like already mentioned, I'm buying Japanese to skip a lot of this bull💩.
My 2021 BMW S1K is an amazing motorcycle in every way possible.
Simple fix. Buy a Suzuki or a Kawasaki!!
@@sonny9608 hater hater alligator
I love my Ninja H2. Had it since 2017. And had no issues with it.
AGREED!
@@sonny9608hayabusa
BMW>
One sided review,seems like you're a beemer man,Japanese bikes don't have issues like you mention,they're bulletproof!
Riding all kinds of bikes for about 25 years, we’ll have to respectfully disagree.
My former Suziki and Honda beg to differ lol - both had issues.
I do not own a BMW. I think they are great bikes, but this is a BMW excuse video. The engines should not give out like this, and comparing it to McLaren 😅. Another vehicle with notoriously weak bottom ends.
5 bmw with more than 20000 each ,4 on the 5 had issues fixed by bmw but very annoying !! is BMW Reliable this answer is NO , buy this bike are fun and look premium , my advice buy only if they are on warranty, point.
I followed the strict manufacturer break-in on my 22 M1K and it still consumes oil...About a quart over a year period. Perhaps I was too gentle but I definitely didn't beat on it.
BMW is aware of the issue and my mechanic showed me the service bulletin that has an allowable acceptable amount of consumption, mine is within range but still feel like they should address and fix the issue,
How do you fix the issue, any experts can chime in? @BTMOTO
Have a 2010 15000 miles. Only issues had were small oil leak after rides at valvle cover gasket and sight glass.
Man this bloke waffles some shit 😂
They didn’t do that for Motomillion though 🫢🤫
Motomillion was an idiot and didn't break-in