"no one came to our aid" Not quite. The US Army, on the colonel level, began assembling supplies as soon as news of the invasion broke. When the Argies proved intransigent to SecOfState Haig's shuttle diplomacy, the flood gates were opened and the US supplied Stinger missiles, secure sat com, and AIM 9L Sidewinder missiles which gave the Fleet Air Arm a 23:0 ratio in air-to-air victories. Wideawake Field on Ascension Island was at times busier than Chicago O'Hare with USAF C5 Galaxys. Also the US openly ditching its former pal Argentina and siding with the UK was a huge political boost. If they also supplied sat intel, is anyone's guess, but I would not be surprised if they did. The French declared full support, but, being French, left the technicians of Aérospatiale, the Exocet maker, in Argentina. Said technicians gave support to Argentina in handling and modifying their existing stock of Exocets. And lets not forget Chile, whose troops present at the border to Argentina fixed many of the best Argentine troops away from the Falklands. Chile even allowed for a swift repatriation of the crashed crew from Operation Mikado.
Remember how Thatcher said she didn’t know that Argentina was going to invade? What about how the log book of HMS Conqueror, a nuclear hunter-killer submarine, was lost after the sinking of the Belgrano? The Falklands, my first war, was fought as a salve to Thatcher’s deep unpopularity, killing the youth of Argentina and Britain alike. A disgrace.
Nonsense the US were a pain in the backside and drove Mrs T nuts. to say the sidewinder missles were responsible for the success of the RAF in the air battle is just wrong and the sort of rewriting of history that only Hollywood could come up with. Ascension is a British Island which the UK permits the Yanks to us. The RAF has said many times that the US airforce did not play an active part in the conflict. There was a huge amount of anti American feeling in the UK at the time. I know being 22 and living just outside Portsmouth at the time.
@@railworker8058 The war was fought because Galtieri wanted to big it up for the home side and knew that Chile would fight back. He thought Britain would not. As for the question if it was worth it? The locals greeted the Argies with a complete cold shoulder and greeted the Brits with cheers and booze. The British fought for the freedom of other Brits. That is what armies are for. Oh, and disappearing log books, really? Next you're telling me that Bush had pre-knowledge of 9/11, which is impossible since it involves the words "Bush" and knowledge".
I get what Trump says, European countries have been under contributing and relied on the US. The ex Nato leader, Stoltenburg was in favour of Norway leaving NATO when he was younger, when he was finance minister, he invokedckassive defence spending cuts, then when a cushy tax free job turned up as gen sec of NATO he went around saying countries should contribute more, hypocrisy of the first order. NATO has done a good job, but interference in Yugoslavia, bombing Libya, Aghanistan and expansion to the Russian border has provoked war, not kept the peace
need to replenish the UK armed forces capabilities like the strategic bombers the country used to have, before even thinking about expanding just to look better on paper
Sweden and Finland have always been used to be outside of NATO but have had security agreements.Both countries have never let their guard down and maintained their military strenght and civil defence plans after cold war was over unlike most opf NATO members.That is an advantage for Sweden and Finland today if NATO fade away and what most people dont know is that Sweden had a nuclear weapon program back in the day and now its highly possible that Sweden could be forced to start it up again to get maximum strenght if allies start to cave in out of fear
You Sir are a legend! We need a new style of cross resource regiment - I've been booting in the cabinet office doors for ages about this. Sadly procurement by the blob is so broken that I fear the tea might get cold and our biscuits stale :/
In the Falklands, NZ lent a frigate to the RN to free one up from the Gulf Armilla Patrol. Thing is the attack on Serbia over Kosovo was way outside the scope of NATO and made it look like a bureaucracy looking for reasons to carry on and an initiator of external aggression. Yeltsin's Russia was no threat, it was only since the attack on Georgia that Russia has been externally aggressive.
Just an observation, the British Army has approximately 200 Challenger 2 MBTs. The 30th Armored Brigade Combat Team (North Carolina Army National Guard), fields a bit less than 90. There are two other ABCTs, and four more Armored Battalions in the National Guard, with M1s
@EdMcF1 They aren't. SC is largely mouth. FWIW, the 30th was the 30th Infantry Division, Old Hickory. The Brigade made three deployments to Iraq, since 2003.
It will be the American defense industry that will ultimately determine the direction America will take, although Trump will be in favor of anything that weakens Europe economically.
I agree with your point about a defence force. What i think would be a good idea is still have an Army that goes and fights overseas but also raise a defence force (especially in current climate) something like the home guard which is strictly for home defence.
Would love to know where the "Savings" from the Cold War Peace went to, As they surely didn't go into Investment in the Nations Infrastructure or Public Services, Never mind the Armed Forces.
Leaving Nato would be a bad idea. Our overseas intervention has caused us problems. We are generally the key antagonists in NATO. You get the idea nobody would act without us at the table.
I agree, usually people are willing to defend their own land, however to be sent over seas not so. I do think that we should be a neutral country and keep our deterent, I think that USA would not allow uk to be attacked, due to close ties, possibly offer stateship for protection, as for the rest of EU, I think they would be on their own.
@@RegUnsworth Their choice isn't it though. The EU either steps up and supports Denmark and Greenland or it's a waste of money and effort to let the US do what Trump is planning. Anyhow, not here to argue - just wanted to say what I feel about Trump and if we left NATO.
The only thing I noticed , when I was in the " Mob" in the 70's/80s ..that when on exercise with NATO forces there was so many different calibres of weapons and ammunition. 5.5 m,7.62m,9m ..the list was endless ..it may seem odd but If I was attached say, to an American unit etc in a war situation and ran out of 7.62m ammo for my SLR what would I do..ask the yanks for one of their 5.5m weapons?? Do NATO forces now have a standard calibre ammunition??
Generally, for normal weapons it's all 5.56mm for nearly all military. Some weapons still use 7.62mm, even the yanks adopted the Gpmg. We adapted their Chain Gun, for the Warriors. So logically speaking, ammo wouldn't be a big issue as you may think.
@@stuartbrown8259 Pull the other one! It's a pointless, hellish task to get ammo or anything else out of our own bloody QM's, let alone a foreign army!
As soon as we start splitting up, we become weaker. At the moment, it is so hard to forecast what lies out there on the political horizon. We have strength in numbers. Especially when we don't exactly have the biggest Army out there.
Very interesting scenarios Sir. Our feeling is that it matters not at this moment in time whether we are in or out of NATO, Neutral or not....we have not in any way shape or form got the political balls to implement anything.. We don't have a statesman/woman in our Government nor a majority civilian population prepared to support such. Take care, stay safe, stay well and keep tabbing. Helen and Katarin Juska-Law with Stella Jorgensson.
While I understood nato in the Cold War what we did in Bosnia and have done towards Russia with the expansion to their borders is way beyond any remit. As for worldwide threats we live on an island with a nuclear deterrent and the two countries always mentioned are China and Russia. China can only run on trade which it overwhelmingly sells to the west , remove trade they are no threat and would disintegrate. Russia has a population of 140 million and if they decided to attack europe with it’s population of 500 million it would lose men every time it took a town or city due to garrisoning before they got to the channel, so are no threat and haven’t been for years. Being the poodle of America has been our downfall and must stop . Spend the money on a small army , 100,000 strong with navy and airforce similar to now with a strong missile defence system and stop going round the world fighting Americas resource wars and concentrate on the enemy within.
Hear hear. Our interests are not the same. I have never understood the Stockholm Syndrome the UK has for the US. They have never been our friends. I could write an essay on why, dating back to 1812. YT won't allow it.
@garytaylor8121 it can be any channel for me, slightest difference of opinion from the narrative and POW....my comment disappears faster than the flight logs to €p$tein§ island.
@LetsTab59-bd4fd I know it's not you Keith, it happens on other channels as well. If I voice my opinions or point out what I know about certain stuff, I not only get my comments censored on that particular channel, I also get my subscribers on my own channel disappearing soon after and my viewership suddenly drops off and my viewers interactions don't give me any notifications. This whole platform is being controlled..
Article 5 says the member nations will consider what they can do to help, it is not a guaranteed commitment to armed conflict. You can be sure if Russia decided to take over the Baltic states, you would not see any American combat troops committed to battle. America fights from a distance, they can't bear to bleed. We did not need an alliance before NATO. Countries knew who their friends were and would go help those who deserved it.
My attitude of thought is NATO should have been disbanded when the warsaw pact was disbanded russia has never been a threat the biggest threat has been and still is our own goverments and the EU i wont say more Y/T censorship.🇬🇧242
If America threw the head up and left we'd all be ballixed. It's quite pathetic really that all the European countries rely on the US being there to save them, including us.
If the UK were to leave NATO and find itself in trouble, I would volunteer to help, just like my ancestors did-even at the highest cost, and I mean that sincerely. I have a deep respect for the UK; it’s closer to my heart than... those countries to the east of us. A united EU army has its pros and cons. As for Trump, he’s just throwing words around; I don’t take him too seriously. He doesn’t decide everything-there are plenty of well-qualified people in the U.S. military with much greater experience. He can’t understand everything, but I get that he understands the language of numbers. :-)
Going neutral might be for the best, it works for Switzerland 🇨🇭and there a landlocked country and we're an Island, and I think GB🇬🇧 would become prosperous especially if we stop wasting money on foreign aid and focus that money on our tiny little Island. 🤔🤔🤔🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧👍👍👍
@ That was 86 years ago. a very different world... Besides there was no EU...No European Country was...It was because of WW2 Europe decided it was better to talk and trade rather than War ,etc!..That proved to be correct...
If we still had our own Coal, Steel, Air and Ship building Industries and perhaps most importantly our own Nuclear Deterrent then it could happen, as we don't then it won't. That said, it wouldn't take much to dust off our old Blueprints for Tactical Artillery and Air launched Nuke Warheads and to fit them to Modern Missiles and Shells.
Re-establishing domestic British firearms and ammo production would be a nice thing. Letting people carry knives and have far more freedom for private firearms ownership is also a great addition to giving more options for armed civilians to help resist any invasion of the isles. Mandatory national service is a great thing to bring back.
Argentina was supported by France, they sent Exocet missiles to the Argentines and didn't give a monkeys about UK forces. Nice bit of loyalty from our closest trading partner and (was) fellow EU member .
Its a dream of mine to see this accomplished, And in its place an alliance between the US canada australia and new zeland. Get the gang back together in spirit ( but still soverign and seperate countries) Only get involved with nato nonsense if it was genuine *real ( non artificially created) aggression towards any of us or other euro countries. And the member countries of this new pact ( under actual decent pro native rule) still having a large degree of say on whether they go to war or not. Of course a large scale invasion of say europe i wouldent worry about countries deciding to be passive.. if the corrupt govts of today are removed and replaced with decent ones people will understand that its a neccessary action at that point. Really the entire EU/UN/NATO ect need to go. They have become the very thing they were set up to prevent ( supposedly) and require replacement.
A neutral defence force specifically to defend the British Isles and Greggs. With the incentive of free Greggs breakfast comestibles for anyone who’d join up! Daily!
I think the way the world is going at the moment it won’t be here for much longer. I believe the end times are among us and that the second coming of Jesus is at hand. So people get right with Jesus while there is still time.
Remember NATO was created post WW2 in Europe for 3 reasons 1) Keep the Soviet Union out 2)Keep America in 3) Keep the Germans down The USSR is no more, if America leaves that only leaves the third and I believe modern Germany is no longer a theat.
If we left NATO it would be the end of the UK armed forces. We also depend on the US for our 'independent' nuclear deterrent. If we left NATO we might have to seriously ramp up our nuclear program. Please don't mention the idea of leaving NATO to Two Tier Keir...
I don't believe that at all, look at Switzerland and even Austria, they've never been in NATO but overall they are better manned and equipped, and generally better defended, despite having around 1/10th of the population of the UK.
@@simonh6371 Disagree, they may not be in Nato but historically their defence lies mainly in the Geography of the country. Also they have conscription which we don't so can call up all men/women in the designated age group if needed. With new smart weapons both countries would suffer and the other main point is that they are surrounded by Nato countries so invading them would be an issue.
@simonh6371 They have the political will and a culture of compulsory military service. British governments have already neglected the armed forces for a generation, without NATO obligations they'd let them wither on the vine.
@@A.Mardle That's a good point actually, perhaps we should stay in NATO for that reason otherwise as you say it would just be an excuse for governments to cut funding even more.
I've got a great idea for some videos Keith I'll meet you in skeggy ex serviceman's club 19th Jan 2025 .. and also got some gifts that we can auction for ex service charity's
There is a small problem with the nuclear deterrent - it is not currently an independent capability. We share warheads with the US (with some cost savings). Presumably if we were 'independent' we might be able to maintain this agreement with the US, but we should probably start making/maintaining our own warheads. ... We should also have twice as many missile carrying subs (vanguard and later dreadnaught) and probably three times the number of surface vessels (the current escort capability might be enough for a single carrier. The local mobile air defence that can be provided by T45 destroyers (likely half of them, 2-3, available at any time) is pretty sparse even if all six were used for this purpose). Add to this resupply ships, minesweepers, etc, etc (we currently don't have a single AWACS aircraft - though the three Wedgetails, reduced from an initial order of five, may arrive soon). And then we'd need people to operate this equipment. Yes, a focus on 'defence' may help, but so would higher pay and support for ex-servicemen... as would having a government that at least appeared to favour the nation over global projects.
In my humble opinion the US should have left NATO when the USSR and the Warsaw Pact collapsed in 1990. Then NATO could have expanded to include the ex-Warsaw Pact countries like it has now, but without US influence, and this would have just been a neutral buffer zone between Russia and the US sphere of influence. I'm glad you too can see why you understand that Russia are not too happy. Back before 1990 there were a lot more countries under Russian aka Soviet control, plus their forces were 1,000 miles further west than they were until recently, and we were faced with the prospect of them steamrolling to the Channel Ports in 2 or 3 days. That hasn't been the case for 35 years now.
when our carriers went to sea NATO warships where part of the task force because we did not enough ships to provide their defence.France makes our armoured forces look third world more of every thing ships,planes and tanks plus their army is bigger its also been fighting for years in sub sahara desert.we got to help UKRAINE to stop Russia we should had done some thing when Russia took The Crimea.And also bear in mind "our" nuclear deterrent is American Missiles and our warheads which did not work last time it was tested to my mind France,Germany and us are a match for everyone expect USA and China
Russia should have been taken care of back when it was the USSR and invaded Poland together with Germany to kick off World War II but instead the USSR got to keep Eastern Europe as a reward for helping kick off the war...
It's less known but we are head of the JEF joint expeditionary force. The Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) is a United Kingdom-led Northern European multi-national military partnership designed for rapid response and expeditionary operations. It consists of the United Kingdom, the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden), the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), and the Netherlands.
If we pulled out of NATO, we would be immediately absorbed as the overseas defence cooperative of Ethiopia and Sudan, with subordinate leadership of Bangladeshi and Romania
No way. A cushy billet at NATO is the retirement club for the George Robertsons and Boris Johnsons of this world now that the EU Commission is off limits to them
well it would be a small step in the right direction....so worth a try i feel ,although maybe too little too late to save humanity . fairy (withloveforhumanity)
UKDF, sounds good to me so long as the professionalism of the regulars is maintained. It would be more cost effective. However, every country needs allies, we just need the right ones. I do think we should exit the United Nations as that organisation is more trouble than its worth. Anyway, neutrality works for Switzerland and I don’t see why the UK can’t either.🫡🇬🇧
If the uk left NATO who else would run off to fight everyone else’s wars.
Interesting topic again !
"no one came to our aid"
Not quite. The US Army, on the colonel level, began assembling supplies as soon as news of the invasion broke. When the Argies proved intransigent to SecOfState Haig's shuttle diplomacy, the flood gates were opened and the US supplied Stinger missiles, secure sat com, and AIM 9L Sidewinder missiles which gave the Fleet Air Arm a 23:0 ratio in air-to-air victories. Wideawake Field on Ascension Island was at times busier than Chicago O'Hare with USAF C5 Galaxys. Also the US openly ditching its former pal Argentina and siding with the UK was a huge political boost. If they also supplied sat intel, is anyone's guess, but I would not be surprised if they did. The French declared full support, but, being French, left the technicians of Aérospatiale, the Exocet maker, in Argentina. Said technicians gave support to Argentina in handling and modifying their existing stock of Exocets. And lets not forget Chile, whose troops present at the border to Argentina fixed many of the best Argentine troops away from the Falklands. Chile even allowed for a swift repatriation of the crashed crew from Operation Mikado.
Hooray for balance. Hooray for facts. Hooray for not just clapping at anything that sounds like something.
Remember how Thatcher said she didn’t know that Argentina was going to invade? What about how the log book of HMS Conqueror, a nuclear hunter-killer submarine, was lost after the sinking of the Belgrano?
The Falklands, my first war, was fought as a salve to Thatcher’s deep unpopularity, killing the youth of Argentina and Britain alike.
A disgrace.
Nonsense the US were a pain in the backside and drove Mrs T nuts. to say the sidewinder missles were responsible for the success of the RAF in the air battle is just wrong and the sort of rewriting of history that only Hollywood could come up with. Ascension is a British Island which the UK permits the Yanks to us. The RAF has said many times that the US airforce did not play an active part in the conflict. There was a huge amount of anti American feeling in the UK at the time. I know being 22 and living just outside Portsmouth at the time.
@@railworker8058 The war was fought because Galtieri wanted to big it up for the home side and knew that Chile would fight back. He thought Britain would not. As for the question if it was worth it? The locals greeted the Argies with a complete cold shoulder and greeted the Brits with cheers and booze. The British fought for the freedom of other Brits. That is what armies are for.
Oh, and disappearing log books, really? Next you're telling me that Bush had pre-knowledge of 9/11, which is impossible since it involves the words "Bush" and knowledge".
I get what Trump says, European countries have been under contributing and relied on the US. The ex Nato leader, Stoltenburg was in favour of Norway leaving NATO when he was younger, when he was finance minister, he invokedckassive defence spending cuts, then when a cushy tax free job turned up as gen sec of NATO he went around saying countries should contribute more, hypocrisy of the first order. NATO has done a good job, but interference in Yugoslavia, bombing Libya, Aghanistan and expansion to the Russian border has provoked war, not kept the peace
Still need to increase our army personnel to over 125,000. More tanks, artillery and RN Ships
and aircraft
And Observation Balloons !
need to replenish the UK armed forces capabilities like the strategic bombers the country used to have, before even thinking about expanding just to look better on paper
The poor bloody Swedes and Finland have just got off the fence and joined, they're going to be really pissed.
Maybe some of them.....
Sweden and Finland have always been used to be outside of NATO but have had security agreements.Both countries have never let their guard down and maintained their military strenght and civil defence plans after cold war was over unlike most opf NATO members.That is an advantage for Sweden and Finland today if NATO fade away and what most people dont know is that Sweden had a nuclear weapon program back in the day and now its highly possible that Sweden could be forced to start it up again to get maximum strenght if allies start to cave in out of fear
@@ravenwood1405 Finland dont need anyone to look after them. NATO will bring risk without benefit.
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finnish and swedish armies are far more capable than the current British armed forces
I admire your optimism. Given where we are politically, I am not holding my breath
They told Gorbachev. Not one inch further after the wall came down .NATO is the aggressor.
You Sir are a legend!
We need a new style of cross resource regiment - I've been booting in the cabinet office doors for ages about this.
Sadly procurement by the blob is so broken that I fear the tea might get cold and our biscuits stale :/
In the Falklands, NZ lent a frigate to the RN to free one up from the Gulf Armilla Patrol. Thing is the attack on Serbia over Kosovo was way outside the scope of NATO and made it look like a bureaucracy looking for reasons to carry on and an initiator of external aggression. Yeltsin's Russia was no threat, it was only since the attack on Georgia that Russia has been externally aggressive.
Dont forget they tuck transnistria from Moldova
Russia are not at fault, you are because you assumed what you were told as truth.
Just an observation, the British Army has approximately 200 Challenger 2 MBTs. The 30th Armored Brigade Combat Team (North Carolina Army National Guard), fields a bit less than 90. There are two other ABCTs, and four more Armored Battalions in the National Guard, with M1s
Around 90 tanks: Didn't realise South Carolina was such a threat to the North.
@EdMcF1 They aren't. SC is largely mouth. FWIW, the 30th was the 30th Infantry Division, Old Hickory. The Brigade made three deployments to Iraq, since 2003.
Good to see you healthy sir after that bitterly cold weather 🥶
Hanging in there, cheers.
Only 9 surface fleet vessels that are operational when I joined up we had 25 operational submarines 1978
Is this such a good idea idea to say this public. Is this not secret information?
@markroe4952 are you taking the piss mate
And being a target we had the same number in Leanders.😢
@@timairstone2171 the old leander's the ford transit of the royal Navy shipmate
@@markroe4952Public information, like most things military.
The WEF would never allow it 🔥
It will be the American defense industry that will ultimately determine the direction America will take, although Trump will be in favor of anything that weakens Europe economically.
I agree with your point about a defence force. What i think would be a good idea is still have an Army that goes and fights overseas but also raise a defence force (especially in current climate) something like the home guard which is strictly for home defence.
Would love to know where the "Savings" from the Cold War Peace went to, As they surely didn't go into Investment in the Nations Infrastructure or Public Services, Never mind the Armed Forces.
Leaving Nato would be a bad idea. Our overseas intervention has caused us problems. We are generally the key antagonists in NATO. You get the idea nobody would act without us at the table.
I agree, usually people are willing to defend their own land, however to be sent over seas not so.
I do think that we should be a neutral country and keep our deterent, I think that USA would not allow uk to be attacked, due to close ties, possibly offer stateship for protection, as for the rest of EU, I think they would be on their own.
The UK benefits from NATO membership and will probably have a new role to play as the Arctic becomes more strategically important.
Gotta love a bit of Bardufoss 😊
Armed neutrality is the way forward for the U.K. we’ve spent too much treasure and lives going across the channel.
Like Switzerland
British defence force sounds good
older folk could heat their homes but anyway, its more important the rich stay rich
Best to be independent and just use our Army as defence in case we are invaded
Like the Munich Agreement, pacts can be totally worthless
If the Uk were out of NATO I cringe of the thought of giving control to the EU, a Commonwealth deal sounds a lot better.
The UK blocked an EU military force for over 30 years. The EU will be happy to see Trump and the UK leave.
@, yes I understand that I was just stating my feelings on the thought of an EU army.
@@RegUnsworth Their choice isn't it though. The EU either steps up and supports Denmark and Greenland or it's a waste of money and effort to let the US do what Trump is planning.
Anyhow, not here to argue - just wanted to say what I feel about Trump and if we left NATO.
We wouldn’t be “giving control” to anyone, it would be alliance in which we have equal say, layoff the Farage propaganda.
Hi,
What backpack are you using?
Hasn’t Stalin Starmer aligned our troops with Europe already?
. . ."Bring Back The TA , At Pre-1978 Strength" ! . . .
The only thing I noticed , when I was in the " Mob" in the 70's/80s ..that when on exercise with NATO forces there was so many different calibres of weapons and ammunition.
5.5 m,7.62m,9m ..the list was endless ..it may seem odd but
If I was attached say, to an American unit etc in a war situation and ran out of 7.62m ammo for my SLR what would I do..ask the yanks for one of their 5.5m weapons??
Do NATO forces now have a standard calibre ammunition??
Current individual weapon system is the SA80 A2. Made by Heckler and Koch, they fire NATO standard 5.56 x 45mm ammunition.
@kevinnorthfield5097 Thanks for the Info Kevin 🫡🇬🇧
Generally, for normal weapons it's all 5.56mm for nearly all military. Some weapons still use 7.62mm, even the yanks adopted the Gpmg. We adapted their Chain Gun, for the Warriors. So logically speaking, ammo wouldn't be a big issue as you may think.
@@stuartbrown8259 I though the US had the 'pig' as their GPMG?
@@stuartbrown8259 Pull the other one! It's a pointless, hellish task to get ammo or anything else out of our own bloody QM's, let alone a foreign army!
Let's hope this will never happen
Keeping the nuclear deterrent might not be that easy as the warheads are ours I am led to believe the missiles are still American and we lease them.
I should have known there would be a catch. Cheers Kev.
It’s something to do with the GPS, they’re reliant on American satellites.
The world has changed, look after you own.
As soon as we start splitting up, we become weaker. At the moment, it is so hard to forecast what lies out there on the political horizon. We have strength in numbers. Especially when we don't exactly have the biggest Army out there.
If NATO disbands, who gets its alphabet?
Really interesting thread Keith, plenty to think about. 🫡
Very interesting scenarios Sir. Our feeling is that it matters not at this moment in time whether we are in or out of NATO, Neutral or not....we have not in any way shape or form got the political balls to implement anything.. We don't have a statesman/woman in our Government nor a majority civilian population prepared to support such. Take care, stay safe, stay well and keep tabbing. Helen and Katarin Juska-Law with Stella Jorgensson.
While I understood nato in the Cold War what we did in Bosnia and have done towards Russia with the expansion to their borders is way beyond any remit. As for worldwide threats we live on an island with a nuclear deterrent and the two countries always mentioned are China and Russia. China can only run on trade which it overwhelmingly sells to the west , remove trade they are no threat and would disintegrate. Russia has a population of 140 million and if they decided to attack europe with it’s population of 500 million it would lose men every time it took a town or city due to garrisoning before they got to the channel, so are no threat and haven’t been for years. Being the poodle of America has been our downfall and must stop . Spend the money on a small army , 100,000 strong with navy and airforce similar to now with a strong missile defence system and stop going round the world fighting Americas resource wars and concentrate on the enemy within.
Hear hear. Our interests are not the same. I have never understood the Stockholm Syndrome the UK has for the US. They have never been our friends. I could write an essay on why, dating back to 1812. YT won't allow it.
Whats with the Army Catering Corp beret 🤔
I can knock out an egg banjo, but not much else lol
@LetsTab59-bd4fd
I checked out the badge it's ACC, although correct me if I'm wrong 🤔
@BillSikes. it's The Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment
@@LetsTab59-bd4fd
Aww cool....apologies 🤙
If we left NATO how would we order our tea or coffee?
That's me stuffed lol
In English for a change!
Not much point in trying again to comment Keith, my comments just keep dissapearing 🙄 im sure im on a watch list lol
I am the same , certain posts/ replys I put on Keith's site just disappear 🤔🤫
@garytaylor8121 it can be any channel for me, slightest difference of opinion from the narrative and POW....my comment disappears faster than the flight logs to €p$tein§ island.
Really don't know who or how this happens Wolfie, hopefully you'll believe that it's not me mucker. I value all sides of a debate 💯
@LetsTab59-bd4fd I know it's not you Keith, it happens on other channels as well. If I voice my opinions or point out what I know about certain stuff, I not only get my comments censored on that particular channel, I also get my subscribers on my own channel disappearing soon after and my viewership suddenly drops off and my viewers interactions don't give me any notifications. This whole platform is being controlled..
Article 5 says the member nations will consider what they can do to help, it is not a guaranteed commitment to armed conflict. You can be sure if Russia decided to take over the Baltic states, you would not see any American combat troops committed to battle. America fights from a distance, they can't bear to bleed. We did not need an alliance before NATO. Countries knew who their friends were and would go help those who deserved it.
My attitude of thought is NATO should have been disbanded when the warsaw pact was disbanded russia has never been a threat the biggest threat has been and still is our own goverments and the EU i wont say more Y/T censorship.🇬🇧242
If America threw the head up and left we'd all be ballixed. It's quite pathetic really that all the European countries rely on the US being there to save them, including us.
Sounds dangerous to me.
If the UK were to leave NATO and find itself in trouble, I would volunteer to help, just like my ancestors did-even at the highest cost, and I mean that sincerely. I have a deep respect for the UK; it’s closer to my heart than... those countries to the east of us. A united EU army has its pros and cons. As for Trump, he’s just throwing words around; I don’t take him too seriously. He doesn’t decide everything-there are plenty of well-qualified people in the U.S. military with much greater experience. He can’t understand everything, but I get that he understands the language of numbers. :-)
Well said, all the best
They tried a united EU army once. It was called the waffen SS
Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte was UK's best supporter during the Falklands conflict.
I'm not sure Keith but have heard that New Zealand offered us some ships..before the Falklands conflict started ?
Not 100% sure ..
They did, as we had just sold the ship to NZ, they lent it back to us.
Well done Sgt Major Keith!
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Ohh, that's a point: I think I forgot to brace-up during my previous comments..!
@ednigma6526 Stop playing games
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@ednigma6526 Yes?
God help us if we were in a European Army. I wonder who’d get all the shittiest jobs?????
Going neutral might be for the best, it works for Switzerland 🇨🇭and there a landlocked country and we're an Island, and I think GB🇬🇧 would become prosperous especially if we stop wasting money on foreign aid and focus that money on our tiny little Island. 🤔🤔🤔🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧👍👍👍
Tiny island is right...since leaving the EU , even smaller...
We weren't in the EU in WWII, that didn't stop us defending ourselves @BrianLesliePerry
@ That was 86 years ago. a very different world... Besides there was no EU...No European Country was...It was because of WW2 Europe decided it was better to talk and trade rather than War ,etc!..That proved to be correct...
@BrianLesliePerry Yet now the EU is bellowing for war with Russia!
That’s Skegness
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If we still had our own Coal, Steel, Air and Ship building Industries and perhaps most importantly our own Nuclear Deterrent then it could happen, as we don't then it won't. That said, it wouldn't take much to dust off our old Blueprints for Tactical Artillery and Air launched Nuke Warheads and to fit them to Modern Missiles and Shells.
Re-establishing domestic British firearms and ammo production would be a nice thing. Letting people carry knives and have far more freedom for private firearms ownership is also a great addition to giving more options for armed civilians to help resist any invasion of the isles. Mandatory national service is a great thing to bring back.
Argentina was supported by France, they sent Exocet missiles to the Argentines and didn't give a monkeys about UK forces. Nice bit of loyalty from our closest trading partner and (was) fellow EU member .
EU defence has been on the table since 1948 it isn't an EU Army the armed forces are already there
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British Defence Forces good idea but could mean cut
We stlll have the Sealed Knot Society.....
Who would want to invade England and why,keep warm lad!
Its a dream of mine to see this accomplished, And in its place an alliance between the US canada australia and new zeland. Get the gang back together in spirit ( but still soverign and seperate countries) Only get involved with nato nonsense if it was genuine *real ( non artificially created) aggression towards any of us or other euro countries. And the member countries of this new pact ( under actual decent pro native rule) still having a large degree of say on whether they go to war or not. Of course a large scale invasion of say europe i wouldent worry about countries deciding to be passive.. if the corrupt govts of today are removed and replaced with decent ones people will understand that its a neccessary action at that point.
Really the entire EU/UN/NATO ect need to go. They have become the very thing they were set up to prevent ( supposedly) and require replacement.
Have you been in the armed services or even worked with our neighbours?
@@Junglie_ex No he has not!!!
A neutral defence force specifically to defend the British Isles and Greggs. With the incentive of free Greggs breakfast comestibles for anyone who’d join up! Daily!
I think the way the world is going at the moment it won’t be here for much longer. I believe the end times are among us and that the second coming of Jesus is at hand. So people get right with Jesus while there is still time.
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Remember NATO was created post WW2 in Europe for 3 reasons
1) Keep the Soviet Union out
2)Keep America in
3) Keep the Germans down
The USSR is no more, if America leaves that only leaves the third and I believe modern Germany is no longer a theat.
If we left NATO it would be the end of the UK armed forces. We also depend on the US for our 'independent' nuclear deterrent. If we left NATO we might have to seriously ramp up our nuclear program.
Please don't mention the idea of leaving NATO to Two Tier Keir...
I don't believe that at all, look at Switzerland and even Austria, they've never been in NATO but overall they are better manned and equipped, and generally better defended, despite having around 1/10th of the population of the UK.
@@simonh6371 Disagree, they may not be in Nato but historically their defence lies mainly in the Geography of the country. Also they have conscription which we don't so can call up all men/women in the designated age group if needed. With new smart weapons both countries would suffer and the other main point is that they are surrounded by Nato countries so invading them would be an issue.
@simonh6371 They have the political will and a culture of compulsory military service. British governments have already neglected the armed forces for a generation, without NATO obligations they'd let them wither on the vine.
@@A.Mardle That's a good point actually, perhaps we should stay in NATO for that reason otherwise as you say it would just be an excuse for governments to cut funding even more.
@@Yorkie263 Geography? Last time I looked Britain was still an island surrounded by NATO countries too
Do your research!
I've got a great idea for some videos Keith I'll meet you in skeggy ex serviceman's club 19th Jan 2025 .. and also got some gifts that we can auction for ex service charity's
Drop me an email Paul, we'll arrange something mate, cheers 👍
@LetsTab59-bd4fd will do brother ❤️
There is a small problem with the nuclear deterrent - it is not currently an independent capability. We share warheads with the US (with some cost savings). Presumably if we were 'independent' we might be able to maintain this agreement with the US, but we should probably start making/maintaining our own warheads.
... We should also have twice as many missile carrying subs (vanguard and later dreadnaught) and probably three times the number of surface vessels (the current escort capability might be enough for a single carrier. The local mobile air defence that can be provided by T45 destroyers (likely half of them, 2-3, available at any time) is pretty sparse even if all six were used for this purpose). Add to this resupply ships, minesweepers, etc, etc (we currently don't have a single AWACS aircraft - though the three Wedgetails, reduced from an initial order of five, may arrive soon).
And then we'd need people to operate this equipment. Yes, a focus on 'defence' may help, but so would higher pay and support for ex-servicemen... as would having a government that at least appeared to favour the nation over global projects.
In my humble opinion the US should have left NATO when the USSR and the Warsaw Pact collapsed in 1990. Then NATO could have expanded to include the ex-Warsaw Pact countries like it has now, but without US influence, and this would have just been a neutral buffer zone between Russia and the US sphere of influence. I'm glad you too can see why you understand that Russia are not too happy.
Back before 1990 there were a lot more countries under Russian aka Soviet control, plus their forces were 1,000 miles further west than they were until recently, and we were faced with the prospect of them steamrolling to the Channel Ports in 2 or 3 days. That hasn't been the case for 35 years now.
when our carriers went to sea NATO warships where part of the task force because we did not enough ships to provide their defence.France makes our armoured forces look third world more of every thing ships,planes and tanks plus their army is bigger its also been fighting for years in sub sahara desert.we got to help UKRAINE to stop Russia we should had done some thing when Russia took The Crimea.And also bear in mind "our" nuclear deterrent is American Missiles and our warheads which did not work last time it was tested to my mind France,Germany and us are a match for everyone expect USA and China
Russia should have been taken care of back when it was the USSR and invaded Poland together with Germany to kick off World War II but instead the USSR got to keep Eastern Europe as a reward for helping kick off the war...
It's less known but we are head of the JEF joint expeditionary force.
The Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) is a United Kingdom-led Northern European multi-national military partnership designed for rapid response and expeditionary operations. It consists of the United Kingdom, the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden), the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania), and the Netherlands.
Interesting point Keith ..
I couldn't imagine Britain not leaving Nato..
If we pulled out of NATO, we would be immediately absorbed as the overseas defence cooperative of Ethiopia and Sudan, with subordinate leadership of Bangladeshi and Romania
It's something I could see happening under this bunch of wasters.
No way. A cushy billet at NATO is the retirement club for the George Robertsons and Boris Johnsons of this world now that the EU Commission is off limits to them
well it would be a small step in the right direction....so worth a try i feel ,although maybe too little too late to save humanity .
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UKDF, sounds good to me so long as the professionalism of the regulars is maintained. It would be more cost effective. However, every country needs allies, we just need the right ones. I do think we should exit the United Nations as that organisation is more trouble than its worth. Anyway, neutrality works for Switzerland and I don’t see why the UK can’t either.🫡🇬🇧