My goodness. What memories this brings back! More than half my service with 1 GREEN HOWARDS was on deployment on OP BANNER - 13 out of 23 years (March 1972 to April 1995) . both roulemont and Garrison tours in some awful shitholes. I hated everything about the place when I served there as a young man. It was not until many years after retirement in my declining years that I began to appreciate that despite the stain of 'Bloody Sunday', the Army as a whole acquitted itself extremely well during those years. I really do not think that any other Army would have been as effective in holding the line or would have acted with the same restraint. At least something good came out of it in the end for those who live there now.
Absolutely fascinating piece of NI history! Thanks for posting this; I've read extensively about Op Banner and this is the first NITAT training film I have seen of urban movement techniques in the 1970s-1990s era.
Aah tin city Sennelager, spent a fair amount of time here in 88 & 92 before tours in Belfast & E Tyrone looked a bit different from what’s in this video but the basic shape and road names were the same. As others have noted in Belfast we wore our berets apart from top cover on mobile patrols. Helmets definitely worn in E Tyrone as the risk of long range shoots was higher also fitted in better with the rural environment, where I was we right on the border full of farms and small villages.
@@davidpowell6098 That 18th should have been spent studying for an English O level, and perhaps for learning how to spell some simple words from elementary school, such "Here." Rather than getting ready to go harass the fine people of Gobnascale, who didn't want you anywhere near them.
I've done a lot of urban patrols, literally thousands, and at no point did we do drill at the loading bay, or parade and start emptying pouches out on the floor.
Exactly, I never once had a kit check, I was asked to jump up and down once to ensure I wasn't rattling for a night time op but other than that we were trusted to be professionals, I remember a few years later in Catterick a SSgt telling me my webbing was too tight, I said jump up and down he rattled like a tin can, I jumped up and down, no noise, I said you've never been on an operational tour have you? No! It shows
I wondered where they got the kids for the video. I am surprised they were so young. No fear? I sure hope the bricks had no live rounds issued when doing that.
Made up to have found this channel Haven't seen a video i haven't already seen as a sprog yet. This in particular has brought back (mixed) memories Great channel though buddy
@@mallong7532 ; gory photos of what ? These plastic rounds were only used in controlled Army training with other Army lads. NO civilians were EVER near this training.
@@peteb8556 The ammunition’s technical officers had a room in tin city with two rows of photo boards running the length of the room full of photos of bodies that had been blown up or shot.
Was a NITAT instructor who was Australian in the Queen's own Highlanders, a Sgt who obviously transferred..good bloke . Was just funny at first seeing his cap badge then his Australian accent 😂
I was there at Sennelager in 1973. It was called a CQBR back then - 'close quarter battle range' . Don't think it had been opened long, when we were there ?
Still remember the places as if it was yesterday, especialy the accomodation block (cosy wooden bunks) where the pre patrol checks were happening. Rocky 1 was on at the NITAT cinema, all VHS of course.
I was in Ballymurphy 78/79 with the 1st Battalion Coldstream Guards (Moyard Camp) One lad Tom P. was "cradling" his SLR in front of his chest (Not carrying it the prone position as he should of) Well a round hit his rifle shattering his thumb! (Lucky for him) If he´d of carried the weapon properly he´d probably of been killed...............
Ballymurphy. Moyard camp used to be known as Henry tigered base way back I recall being brought there to have my hand bandage after an injury by the MO they were the days
That’s an impressive training ground. It’s typical seeing some of the comments from ex soldiers that some of procedures were not the reality. Isnt that always the case 😂. Those army trousers looked a bit tight. I was 7 years old when we moved to England from NI 1971. I was living just outside Belfast and can’t remember seeing any soldiers. My family often talk about the patrols and random stop patrols on country roads. I went back to visit and remember being searched going into shops in the city and having to walk through security checks on the perimeter of the city centre in Belfast. Remarkable today to think this was a thing in the UK. It’s almost impossible to think it could happen today. What we went through with COVID lockdowns and the BS that’s going on in London, Europe and the Middle East I get the feeling it wouldn’t take much for something similar to the military patrolling we see in this film.
As kids we loved waiting for them coming (Bricks) , football whistle or just our own calls to the older lads as an early warning to any one about who was up to something i.e. preparing a mix or a blatter . I loved the 70s and the 80s in my awful shitehole .
8:07 Damn! Intense stuff. I doubt they'd include sprinting out of base in the doctrine nowadays considering the amount of equipment and gear each modern soldier is carrying.
how I miss my 'PIT', on going on leave a pal from Leeds asked me to call in at a large store where the love one his life worked. telling her family of the adventure the comment was "you could have brought him home"
The movement out of the FOB seems so alien to me. No zigzag movement, no smoke, no I'm up he see's me I'm down. We have learned so much from this type of patrol. It's not an advance to contact, but still advancing to an unseen enemy.
Lol, imagine thinking the uk is some sort of prize people want. The best thing you've done for years is quarantine yourselves away from civilization with Brexit.
Oh you mean all thoses boat people ??? all 20 /30 years old , no old men ,no over weight or disabled ,no women or children ??? just all fit male of military age been brought over by our own goverment
i was in palace barracks in 1980 i slept with loads of magazines under my bed , This is true 4 off sat in a pig and fired 86 batton rounds out off the flap in 2 hours ,then we were put on orders pending investigation by SIB. this is CQBR training area .
On our tour of Derry, we had four four man "Bricks" three on foot, one mobile, which was shared around during a four hour patrol, an hour mobile, and three foot, we only carried a mag of ten, (Officially). I had the baton gun, had four 45 grain, and two 75 grain rounds.
I must be mistaken...one mag with eighteen rounds? In NI? I used to work security with a guy who'd done two tours and I wondered why he was so cynical...guess I'm not wondering anymore!
The higher ups and politicians didn't give a shit about squaddies. Any fatalities it was just another point score for the propaganda war. You could be on ops for several days, some lads out on perimeter security, they'd get back and some arsehole WO2 would be looking for you to do a duty or two. Many youngsters took crap out on the streets and got it back in the base when they returned. Never again!
Lol still got my PR CARD from 79 .WE UNDERSTAND IN TRYING TO DEFEAT TERRORISM SOME INCONVENIENCE IS CAUSED WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND UNDERSTANDING. HAVE A NICE DAY .PR CELL 3RD BN ROYAL REGIMENT OF FUSILIERS. LOL THAT WAS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD 😂😂😂
@@geordiegeorge9041 I did many hours of patrolling in Iraq and Afghanistan in the past 20 years and we always wore helmets because they save lives. So I’m wondering WHY you guys didn’t.
Welcome to it matey! You won't be free much longer, it's turning into Lagos/Kabul/Islamabad/ Delhi/Damascus and Gaza. You want to start a company flogging prayer mats, go down a treat
It is like the IDF but whiter people on both sides....same non- sense of '' God made us better' ..." ..we have to rule the heathens" ....'' for God and duty" .....then when shot...all sides shed the same blood....and the reaper comes to sort who's really from ''God's people" and who's really going to ''Hell'' no matter what he was told and taught.
Not sure what point you're try to make - this is NOT a war scenario and the most one could be expected to encounter would be a brief skirmish not a sustained firefight. 72 live rds per "brick" is more than adequate for peacetime patrolling in an urban area, with reinforcement from other bricks and the local QRF on call if needed. I did 3 tours in NI (2 in West Belfast, 1 in South Armagh).
@@siras2 Seems like a tradition, a small bunch of people always say the current generation are ‘soft’, they would have said it at the time this was made, ‘all punk rockers’, the one before, ‘long hairs’. Not from any who have done it themselves of course. A bit like the temporary peacetime National Service from 1947-60, really done to garrison the British parts of post war Germany, so as West Germany was allowed to have from the mid 50’s a military and the UK nuclear deterrent came into being ,it ended. As we have seen recently clowns think it should be brought back even though most of the Cold War did not require it. They also did not do it themselves. Do you know who you rarely heard saw this crap about the succeeding generations of military? WW2 veterans.
Northern Ireland was/is an anti-colonial struggle. The loyalists are descendants of British colonialists imported into N Ireland in order to control it and maintain British hegemony over the Irish. The Irish correctly saw the British army as an occupying force and they had every right to resist this force including the use of armed resistance.
The United Kingdom had and still has the right to use force to defend the choice and will of its people, whichever part of the United Kingdom they live. Quite sure this fully clarifies your point.
My goodness. What memories this brings back! More than half my service with 1 GREEN HOWARDS was on deployment on OP BANNER - 13 out of 23 years (March 1972 to April 1995) . both roulemont and Garrison tours in some awful shitholes. I hated everything about the place when I served there as a young man. It was not until many years after retirement in my declining years that I began to appreciate that despite the stain of 'Bloody Sunday', the Army as a whole acquitted itself extremely well during those years. I really do not think that any other Army would have been as effective in holding the line or would have acted with the same restraint. At least something good came out of it in the end for those who live there now.
Maybe the Rhodesians or the Apartheid era South Africans could've handled Nire exceptionally but not many other mobs. Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum.
XIX
Awful shitholes like England is full of ? Or worse ? I don't think you could get worse that what England is
Lolis, well said sir.
You were in same time as lads i trained with at ijlb shorncliffe simpson and carnell
All of this material is so important for historical study & you've done a fantastic job putting it all on UA-cam & preserving it!
Absolutely fascinating piece of NI history! Thanks for posting this; I've read extensively about Op Banner and this is the first NITAT training film I have seen of urban movement techniques in the 1970s-1990s era.
That video has been blast from the past Havent seen any of these old NITAT films from the late 80's
Gawd. Didn't go through all that stamping about before a patrol in in my time. Everyone knew (after a bit of time) what they needed.
Had a feeling that wasn't happening in reality day to day when I was watching that bit.
Aah tin city Sennelager, spent a fair amount of time here in 88 & 92 before tours in Belfast & E Tyrone looked a bit different from what’s in this video but the basic shape and road names were the same. As others have noted in Belfast we wore our berets apart from top cover on mobile patrols. Helmets definitely worn in E Tyrone as the risk of long range shoots was higher also fitted in better with the rural environment, where I was we right on the border full of farms and small villages.
Same
I spent my 18th birthday hear in prep for a tour of Derry, looks so dated now.
was there in `87
was there still a NITAT Instructor there who was an Australian Serving in the Queens Own Highlanders?
@@davidpowell6098 That 18th should have been spent studying for an English O level, and perhaps for learning how to spell some simple words from elementary school, such "Here." Rather than getting ready to go harass the fine people of Gobnascale, who didn't want you anywhere near them.
@@jockstrapNow they have planters from 50 third world countries who took their place,I’m sure Paddy would trade back for the old days now
I've done a lot of urban patrols, literally thousands, and at no point did we do drill at the loading bay, or parade and start emptying pouches out on the floor.
Exactly, I never once had a kit check, I was asked to jump up and down once to ensure I wasn't rattling for a night time op but other than that we were trusted to be professionals, I remember a few years later in Catterick a SSgt telling me my webbing was too tight, I said jump up and down he rattled like a tin can, I jumped up and down, no noise, I said you've never been on an operational tour have you? No! It shows
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Ok
@@shecksthesheckler423it makes sense t bs
Aah Tin City. I learnt to drive here when I was 12.
My father was with Nitat based there and Killymurphy was a playground to me
today they use for training Ukraine troops thats why theyre so good
I wondered where they got the kids for the video. I am surprised they were so young. No fear? I sure hope the bricks had no live rounds issued when doing that.
Made up to have found this channel
Haven't seen a video i haven't already seen as a sprog yet.
This in particular has brought back (mixed) memories
Great channel though buddy
We had the blue plastic 7.62 rounds, at Sennelager CQBR in 1973.
And one of our guys lost a knacker with one of those due to an ND which ricochet off the floor
I used them there too.
Yeah and remember the ATAC lecture with all those gory photo’s.
@@mallong7532 ; gory photos of what ? These plastic rounds were only used in controlled Army training with other Army lads. NO civilians were EVER near this training.
@@peteb8556 The ammunition’s technical officers had a room in tin city with two rows of photo boards running the length of the room full of photos of bodies that had been blown up or shot.
This is how I move through London in 2024, obviously without any firearms though.
Wont be long before they are issued 🤣
@@Arthur54321 to Muslim gangs keeping London pure for them
@@bfc3057What is wrong with carrying an FN these days?
@@bfc3057 Shut up.
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This FIBUA setup is in Sennelager. Went there last year, some of buildings are still standing.
Did my NI training there in '87.
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Was a NITAT instructor who was Australian in the Queen's own Highlanders, a Sgt who obviously transferred..good bloke .
Was just funny at first seeing his cap badge then his Australian accent 😂
Thanks. Was wondering where it was filmed.
@@Stanly-Stud Yep I remember him
I was there at Sennelager in 1973. It was called a CQBR back then - 'close quarter battle range' . Don't think it had been opened long, when we were there ?
Still remember the places as if it was yesterday, especialy the accomodation block (cosy wooden bunks) where the pre patrol checks were happening. Rocky 1 was on at the NITAT cinema, all VHS of course.
I was in Ballymurphy 78/79 with the 1st Battalion Coldstream Guards (Moyard Camp) One lad Tom P. was "cradling" his SLR in front of his chest (Not carrying it the prone position as he should of) Well a round hit his rifle shattering his thumb! (Lucky for him) If he´d of carried the weapon properly he´d probably of been killed...............
I was 1st Battalion, then 2nd Battalion, then went to 6 Platoon 3 Para.
Ballymurphy. Moyard camp used to be known as Henry tigered base way back I recall being brought there to have my hand bandage after an injury by the MO they were the days
Nice seeing the patrolling in Paddy land,
Haha, Paddy Land . Sounds like an amusement park
I remember when army showing us these films during my time in ni early 1980s lot's of cinema shorts about safety and what to avoid nice memories
That’s an impressive training ground. It’s typical seeing some of the comments from ex soldiers that some of procedures were not the reality. Isnt that always the case 😂. Those army trousers looked a bit tight. I was 7 years old when we moved to England from NI 1971. I was living just outside Belfast and can’t remember seeing any soldiers. My family often talk about the patrols and random stop patrols on country roads. I went back to visit and remember being searched going into shops in the city and having to walk through security checks on the perimeter of the city centre in Belfast. Remarkable today to think this was a thing in the UK. It’s almost impossible to think it could happen today. What we went through with COVID lockdowns and the BS that’s going on in London, Europe and the Middle East I get the feeling it wouldn’t take much for something similar to the military patrolling we see in this film.
Sure, the deciplined practicality of Urban patrolling .thank you (🙏 Mike Guardia) channel for sharing
I always remember my friend coming to my house crying my brother is dead my brother is dead. He was in the Army in 1972 he was 19 years old. 💔🇬🇧
What regiment was he ?
They were awful times.
Well at least we came out in broad daylight and showed ourselves. The IRA could call us anything apart from cowards. That's reserved for them. 🇬🇧
Maybe they were a bit smarter than the Zulus.
100%
...and they won 😂
@@user-hi1mj4mc3w Not really. Ireland has been sold down the river again by the EU and UN, and Gerry's mob are assisting in it.
@@user-hi1mj4mc3w Did they fuck. I mean Gibraltar wasn't exactly a win for the I Ran Away was it?
I love the Bri'ish instructional videos :D
Everything was slightly blurry back then, and all the colours were muted - I remember it well.
How about the regulation, standard-issued, 1970s "Porn Tash"; no respectable Tommy ever deployed w/o such facial hair, then 🤣@@notreallydavid
One music tune for all of them
There is a good documentary called The Secret Army on BBC IPlayer if you like all this sort of thing
As kids we loved waiting for them coming (Bricks) , football whistle or just our own calls to the older lads as an early warning to any one about who was up to something i.e. preparing a mix or a blatter . I loved the 70s and the 80s in my awful shitehole .
I was in Derry 75/76 I don’t remember doing any of those bs drills before patrolling, we just got on with it.
I agree. We trained before going live in Nr Ireland. Everyone knew what they were doing. I was there in 73.
8:07 Damn! Intense stuff. I doubt they'd include sprinting out of base in the doctrine nowadays considering the amount of equipment and gear each modern soldier is carrying.
how I miss my 'PIT', on going on leave a pal from Leeds asked me to call in at a large store where the love one his life
worked. telling her family of the adventure the comment was "you could have brought him home"
going out with just 18 rounds must have been a worry. What if the magazine was dodgy?
Madness
Stop em carrying out mass murder I'd guess.
always check mags as you would your weapon..
You checked it first
We always went out with four mags down on the border.
Lol! I still have a “map” of “tin city”
The movement out of the FOB seems so alien to me. No zigzag movement, no smoke, no I'm up he see's me I'm down. We have learned so much from this type of patrol. It's not an advance to contact, but still advancing to an unseen enemy.
They haven’t got any ECM. When did all that stuff start.
We had very basic ECM.in derry Nov 79
@@roberthewer2268joker
@@roberthewer2268joker?
Coming soon to many towns in the UK (as is the plan).
The troops will be islamic though
Scary thought - UDR becomes EDR
Lol, imagine thinking the uk is some sort of prize people want.
The best thing you've done for years is quarantine yourselves away from civilization with Brexit.
Oh you mean all thoses boat people ??? all 20 /30 years old , no old men ,no over weight or disabled ,no women or children ??? just all fit male of military age been brought over by our own goverment
How come the soldiers only 1 magazine with 18 rounds ?
i was in palace barracks in 1980 i slept with loads of magazines under my bed , This is true 4 off sat in a pig and fired 86 batton rounds out off the flap in 2 hours ,then we were put on orders pending investigation by SIB. this is CQBR training area .
86 Batton rounds good on ya mate.
@@Arthur54321 yeh we put loas off windows through in the divis flats and cars
@@guy4469what!? So you're arse is caught between a rock and a hard place (I Ran Away vs the other exteme SIB!?)
Looks like a posh version of a Latin American shantytown.
Basically correct, yeah.
one mag of 18 ?? surely they needed 3 minimum
What a load of crap ,we carried 5 magazines of 20 rounds each and we didn’t do all that shit before we went out we knew our jobs .
On our tour of Derry, we had four four man "Bricks" three on foot, one mobile, which was shared around during a four hour patrol, an hour mobile, and three foot, we only carried a mag of ten, (Officially). I had the baton gun, had four 45 grain, and two 75 grain rounds.
It’s an English propaganda film. Duh !
Nothing says sovereignty like having the necessity of deploying soldiers to maintain authority. 😊
I must be mistaken...one mag with eighteen rounds? In NI? I used to work security with a guy who'd done two tours and I wondered why he was so cynical...guess I'm not wondering anymore!
Professional is the word.
One magazine of 18 rounds? Please tell me I’m misunderstanding something, one spare mag? Dear god I don’t know if that’s balls or …?
The higher ups and politicians didn't give a shit about squaddies. Any fatalities it was just another point score
for the propaganda war. You could be on ops for several days, some lads out on perimeter security, they'd get back and some arsehole WO2 would be looking for you to do a duty or two. Many youngsters took crap out on the streets and got it back in the base when they returned. Never again!
Those Derry girls were gorgeous to a young totesterone filled squaddie? !
Married a Tyrone lass, lasted 20 years. She's still on the mainland, she never went back
Ahhh memories
My last tour in NI was 1979, very active
I was there 79 and 80, 2 years. Tyrone and Fermanagh
Any one still got a tail end Charlie certificate !
Lol still got my PR CARD from 79 .WE UNDERSTAND IN TRYING TO DEFEAT TERRORISM SOME INCONVENIENCE IS CAUSED WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND UNDERSTANDING. HAVE A NICE DAY .PR CELL 3RD BN ROYAL REGIMENT OF FUSILIERS. LOL THAT WAS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD 😂😂😂
still have my aid memoir and a stack of C1s 😂😂😂😂😂
Yep, and highly skilled at walking backwards. 🙂
@@peteb8556 💯 derry belfast South armagh lurgan portadown 47 years later still turn around see who's behind me never walk in a straight line 😂
Luckily, I went everywhere by MT Air
"KillyMurphy" brilliant 😂😂😂
“Don’t be afraid to use a civilian as cover” Interesting.
Why was the term brick used?
Solid all round protection.
@@colinmelling6369 That makes sense thank you for the information.
Sounds like prick cept there was more than 1.
Because they were shitting bricks thinking about the ira
@@AbuHajarAlBugatti nah never. That was the 24 hour ration packs that caused our blockages !!
'Killymurphy Village'. That's the remorse they showed for the people they murdered in Ballymurphy, a macabre joke.
that lads something in front pockets......
These guys appear to be wearing flak jackets so why aren’t they wearing helmets?
I did two tours, 77 & 80. We didn't wear helmets.
@@geordiegeorge9041 I did many hours of patrolling in Iraq and Afghanistan in the past 20 years and we always wore helmets because they save lives. So I’m wondering WHY you guys didn’t.
@@bombfog1 Probably because the helmets that we had at the time were crap. If there was a riot, we wore motorcycle helmets with visors.
This was 6 years before Kevlar helmets. So they wore berets unless doing top cover in vehicles or geared up for a riot.
@@geordiegeorge9041 Ah, very good. Thank you!
Free Ireland!
Welcome to it matey! You won't be free much longer, it's turning into Lagos/Kabul/Islamabad/ Delhi/Damascus and Gaza. You want to start a company flogging prayer mats, go down a treat
Fire card. Really.
It is like the IDF but whiter people on both sides....same non- sense of '' God made us better' ..." ..we have to rule the heathens" ....'' for God and duty" .....then when shot...all sides shed the same blood....and the reaper comes to sort who's really from ''God's people" and who's really going to ''Hell'' no matter what he was told and taught.
Ah, not everyone is carrying their regulation moustache!
I spotted loads of terrorists.
What a pile of crap this is. That palaver was Almost as long as a patrol.
Сейчас Ирландия свободена Северная
its free because its british which is a free country
Yeh Tin City
With 18 rds, the start of snowflakeness. I will say no more.
? you stupid?
We never went on patrol with 18 rounds. Mid 80s it was 80 rounds plus GPMG ammo. Cant remember the amount and if we were Urban then a mag for the LMG.
Not sure what point you're try to make - this is NOT a war scenario and the most one could be expected to encounter would be a brief skirmish not a sustained firefight. 72 live rds per "brick" is more than adequate for peacetime patrolling in an urban area, with reinforcement from other bricks and the local QRF on call if needed. I did 3 tours in NI (2 in West Belfast, 1 in South Armagh).
@@siras2 Seems like a tradition, a small bunch of people always say the current generation are ‘soft’, they would have said it at the time this was made, ‘all punk rockers’, the one before, ‘long hairs’.
Not from any who have done it themselves of course.
A bit like the temporary peacetime National Service from 1947-60, really done to garrison the British parts of post war Germany, so as West Germany was allowed to have from the mid 50’s a military and the UK nuclear deterrent came into being ,it ended.
As we have seen recently clowns think it should be brought back even though most of the Cold War did not require it.
They also did not do it themselves.
Do you know who you rarely heard saw this crap about the succeeding generations of military? WW2 veterans.
@@grahambuckerfield4640 Wrong answer, the politicans were soft in NI, the rules of engaugment were awful, not the guys the politicans.
Tin city
Northern Ireland was/is an anti-colonial struggle. The loyalists are descendants of British colonialists imported into N Ireland in order to control it and maintain British hegemony over the Irish. The Irish correctly saw the British army as an occupying force and they had every right to resist this force including the use of armed resistance.
Sit down plastic paddy your opinion doesn't matter and isn't wanted
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All of this is utterly pointless unless each soldiers gender has been properly categorised.
I reeeeally mean that.
Get out of Ireland and wouldn’t have had this issue
N.I. is British and doesn´t belong to Eire, Prodestants are British, and needed protection..................
The United Kingdom had and still has the right to use force to defend the choice and will of its people, whichever part of the United Kingdom they live.
Quite sure this fully clarifies your point.
oopppsssy.. you need to know some History and do some reading... they Army were there because Ulster "Had this Issue" not the other way round
Muslims won't be so disciplined once they have taken over, which isn't far away 😂
The Catholics asked the Govt. to send the Army to protect them! tell reading a book fenian!
pawns army
Steeds Wenners
knorben knusson@@Brecconable
@@puppets.and.muppets
Jy praat nie Afrikaans nie?
Traitors in uniform.. 👎👎👎
Silly person!
Americans body armour model 69 using in Vietnam too ?
Fajny film