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  • @JesusPassionHOP
    @JesusPassionHOP 6 місяців тому +8

    I remember in 2004 when you came to KC with your children, one of them did the night watch. Your preaching was so intense...I remember the fire in the night interns came out wholly healed and aligned in their sexual identity after a full day of learning and being set free with you in a seminar. All to say, I honour you, Andy, and your family. I clearly remember your message, where you warned everyone to be careful of becoming a BRIDAL RAT !!! - meaning be careful of not living a double life, seemingly moral in the prayer room, but living in sexual perversion in secret. Thank you for standing very firmly against sexual immorality. Wow! I can't imagine Mike not responding to your messages ~ In hindsight, you were sent to help this young adult community not fall into complete deprivation and moral failure. God bless you enormously, dear Andy!

  • @CKDA70
    @CKDA70 6 місяців тому +58

    This broke my heart, I knew Tammy and her family personally and lived with Mike Bickle and his family 78-81 when Tammy used to babysit. I am so mad because for the longest time I couldn't fully believe that Mike could do some of things he was being accused of, but after reading Tammy's account I am certain she is telling the truth and Mike deserves everything that is about to befall him. Mike's adulterous affairs from the very beginning of his marriage has completely disqualified him and everything thing that he has taught and done. He truly is a pathological Liar. This proves that he was a predator from the very beginning and therefore was disqualified from the things of God. 1Cor. 6:32 I pray that the justice of God will fall upon this man and cleanse this earth of his vile idolatry expressed through his teachings and now continued through IHOP. There are many good people IHOP and forerunner Church that have been duped by his lies and I hope that they will be set free by the revealing of this truth. Thank You Tammy, We love you and appreciate you may God bless and cover you through this time.

    • @hyacinthbucket593
      @hyacinthbucket593 6 місяців тому

      I am particularly fascinated with the dynamics of religious movements that have developed in the last few centuries, and the personalities behind them. In studying the IHOPKC saga, I have found the statements of people involved in the 1970s and 1980s the most illuminating.
      One such statement was written several years before this scandal erupted, by a person claiming to have been a caretaker of Pat Bickle, beginning in the late 1970s. Though many doubted the veracity of the statement, based on the fact that it was made anonymously, it had the ring of truth to me. I was particularly struck by his/her presentation of Mike Bickle as a person capable of great kindness and dedication, all while leaving a string of wounded people behind him - but that his greatest ambition was to be "great in the eyes of God", like a modern-day Moses.
      I was wondering if you had read this statement, and if it fit with your experiences of that time period?

    • @mt.sinairefuge5360
      @mt.sinairefuge5360 6 місяців тому +9

      How could you people not see this guy was a scambag and liar from the beginning?? Pretty obvious to anyone with any biblical knowledge and discernment.

    • @knowsmebyname
      @knowsmebyname 6 місяців тому +3

      Its not going to get any better either. Theres no bottom with guys like this. They will play "poor me" forever. Its the only tune they know.

    • @tad3900
      @tad3900 6 місяців тому

      I agree with you. IHOP had it's "prophetic" foundation built on visions of Bob Jones (instructed girls to strip naked) and Paul Cain ( alcoholic and homosexual). All of them used "prophetic"language to manipulate their victims.

    • @knowsmebyname
      @knowsmebyname 6 місяців тому

      @@StandingByGrace that is one of the most arrogant posts I have read in a long time. But it was thoughtful of you to come down from your lofty spiritual pearch and grace us with your wisdom. I shall spend the next couple hours meditating on each and every word.

  • @paulv.6040
    @paulv.6040 6 місяців тому +5

    Very clear and level-headed assessment. The most important part of this is 3:01 "he still controls the narrative for loyalists..."

  • @judykegin3650
    @judykegin3650 6 місяців тому +29

    Very well explained. I am so sorry for these women who were children when someone molested and put the responsibility on them to keep silent so no one would see what he was doing. I pray for their healing and for compassion as people close to them can reach out and begin their healing process. They are innocent and wounded. My husband and I pastored for nearly 40 years before he passed away. Mike ministered once at our church and ate at our table. No, the crisis is not over as one of the leaders stated….and please don’t ask the congregation to repent as though they were guilty. They are wounded and need kind and understanding prayers for their pain. My heart breaks for them.

    • @edwardking1312
      @edwardking1312 6 місяців тому +1

      His prophecies were all wrong. We are not in the end times last days !
      Those last days were in the 1st Century- 70ad.

    • @user-uk6fw1sq3j
      @user-uk6fw1sq3j 6 місяців тому +3

      Amen! Oh he gets it 😢 He's a force being used by the devil twisted mind He justifys in his sick sick head I didn't go all the wayyyyyyyy but truly he did he stole there innocence preyed on all them ! I' don't care if he repents 100 times.he is a lier and never should ever ever be on a plat form at a table or stand anywhere
      In any form of ministry 😢😢😮
      Ever again why am I so harsh ? I'm not I speak the truth in love this man is dangerous arrest him

    • @DiscernmentNow
      @DiscernmentNow 6 місяців тому

      ​@@user-uk6fw1sq3jEXACTLY, and from the get go he's a false teacher, false profiteer. IHOP was run like a cult. People need to RUN 🏃 and RUN 🏃🏻‍♀️🏃🏿‍♂️🏃🏼‍♀️FAST.

    • @julenehatlin8709
      @julenehatlin8709 6 місяців тому

      Absolutely needs to be arrested! You're the first one to post those words, (that I have seen) and I am compelled to respond in agreement. Thank you for your bold words of truth. I wish people had believed me as a young girl of sexual abuse "in the church". Two men for sure would have been arrested.

    • @almalind5623
      @almalind5623 5 місяців тому

      OK​@@user-uk6fw1sq3j

  • @julenehatlin8709
    @julenehatlin8709 6 місяців тому +1

    So relieved to hear you say, Andy, about the "Foundation" of IHOP and then questioning it's "survival". Wow, nothing like that should survive. Why would any of us, looking from the outside, expect it to? Too much pain in staying at that location, where I personally have visited, and my grandchildren were blessed by the teen meetings. Godly people who want to continue a 24/7 in KC, Ill be praying the Lord births a new and true ministry through you, who can represent Him and His heart of giving, not extracting.

  • @ronnieleonard8444
    @ronnieleonard8444 6 місяців тому +25

    Every so-called "prophet" who ever endorsed Bickle needs to leave ministry. It is primafacia evidence they were never a prophet either.

    • @ludwigamadeushaydn706
      @ludwigamadeushaydn706 6 місяців тому +3

      Lakeland and Todd Bentley wasn't enough, I wonder if this will even have any effect.

    • @dbaxley4342
      @dbaxley4342 6 місяців тому +4

      Why do all of us get all haughty… we need to fall on our faces and let God move inside our Loveless Souls.

  • @jq8974
    @jq8974 4 місяці тому

    I so appreciate your words and your heart. I didn't know you moved to KC, but remember you from my 90's Vineyard days and always trusted your ministry. I was in Vancouver and needed sanity to help my gay friends get free. So I was not really surprised your voice has brought me comfort. Bless you - I'm sure KC needs you and yours in this hour. In the decades since the 90's, I have been a part of many denominations, helping build community and empower the body. The resistance I have routinely encountered from head pastors who want to hold onto power and control has sickened me. I truly believe it's time for the body to wake up and stop putting too much trust in leaders who have no real accountability. We need to grow up.

  • @tad3900
    @tad3900 6 місяців тому +11

    If you go and listen to Ernie Gruens 1990 message and he details his Matt 18 meeting with Mike Bickle and he says how mike "prophetically" threatened him with death and then he casually walked out of the room and greeted Ernie's wife smiling and complimenting Ernie. Mike is delusional. His "visions" and "trips to heaven" are power plays to maintain his special place at the top. When he was confronted by Jane Does husband mike went on the same power and control/ manipulation tactics. The whole of IHOP is built on shifting sand , visions and traditions of man. Anyone who continues to prop up this organization needs to repent seriously.

    • @vanderHoffTeachings
      @vanderHoffTeachings 6 місяців тому +3

      I think Mike thinks he is so special to God that he can get away with this. Not true of course

    • @lionjudah8900
      @lionjudah8900 6 місяців тому +2

      Ernie himself left his wife for his secretary in a sick sordid story. The obsession in the body of Christ on "leaders" and "pastors" is antithetical to what Jesus taught. It's about time the cult like following of pastor centered churches, pastors and celebrity is evangelists and teachers comes to an end.

    • @KristiLEvans1
      @KristiLEvans1 6 місяців тому

      @@lionjudah8900I thought Ernie Gruen was reconciled to his wife?

    • @lionjudah8900
      @lionjudah8900 6 місяців тому

      Oh yes, after he caused great damage... I am familiar with the family, innocent children were involved and emotionally damaged due to his selfishness. @@KristiLEvans1

  • @montanadeb
    @montanadeb 6 місяців тому +17

    He was a master at deception but I’m afraid he has also deceived himself. Your description of him is the most clear and concise I have heard.

  • @larrydunn4626
    @larrydunn4626 Місяць тому

    Hey Andy, glad to see you thriving. Fond memories of our UCLA/Vineyard days.

  • @Bryndezy
    @Bryndezy 6 місяців тому +3

    Thank you Andy, your voice is necessary.

  • @DiscernmentNow
    @DiscernmentNow 6 місяців тому +8

    Honestly, I don't understand how y'all don't have discernment from the Holy Spirit, that Mike and the NAR movement is false doctrine to begin with?? 🤷🏼‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

  • @broclint47
    @broclint47 6 місяців тому +10

    I pray that IHOPKC will not die...but that somehow it will be cleansed by the Lord God. Mike Bickle must be set way aside. But it is so important that we do not hate him. Apostle John tells us in 1st John 3:15 that if we hate another human being it goes down in our record that we are a murderer!! We cannot cease to love gross sinners and all people. God still loves Bickle, but HE hates what Bickle has done. IHOPKC must now do ONLY what the Holy Spirit leads them to do. Only the Holy Spirit can lead IHOPKC out of this swamp. Only the Lord God can save IHOPKC. There may be some wicked demons lurking about. Prayer and listening to the direction of the Spirit of God is the only answer! I will be praying for IHOPKC and yes even for Bickle because God still loves even the terribly fallen. And I pray for the victims who are in the valley of torture. And I pray for Bickle's wife and children. They must be going through an awful valley of torture. Satan is behind all this wickedness. - retired pastor in Washington State

    • @mt.sinairefuge5360
      @mt.sinairefuge5360 6 місяців тому +2

      what do think the chances are that the rumors are true that that place was full of fornication for years. You don´t have to be the apostle Paul to discern that that organization was full of false prophecies, feel good american churchianity, greed, worldliness, etc.

    • @jenicarter4190
      @jenicarter4190 6 місяців тому

      ​@@mt.sinairefuge5360 absolutely! 😢😢😢

    • @broclint47
      @broclint47 6 місяців тому

      @@mt.sinairefuge5360 Dear Bro or Sister, only God knows EXACTLY what is wrong at IHOPKC. Jesus is the only human who never made a sin or a mistake. Our job is to pray for God's will to be done & to love all involved in this tragedy. Satan wants to stop all prayer. 24 hour prayer gives Satan a bad day. Only God can successfully rescue this mess. I need to look in my heart and we all need to ask the Lord to survey our heart to see if there be any wicked way in us. Eternal death is a terrible punishment that sin brings. Eternal life is a wonderful reward for totally serving the Lord God and doing HIS will. Please pray for all concerned and maybe this 24 hour prayer minister can be saved. God can do anything. Thanks for your comment!!!

  • @kathleenkelley1559
    @kathleenkelley1559 6 місяців тому +3

    Andy your teaching at Pasadena house of prayer On having a quiet time was so valuable to my life. Also your steadfast ministry for our brokenness. I do think we are called to pray vigorously for the 24 hr prayer movement - for redemption thru prayer. Thank you for speaking out and i pray healing for your heart as you grieve also.

    • @crazyquestionsagain
      @crazyquestionsagain 6 місяців тому

      The cross is the point of redemption not prayer as a tool of achievement! How much of what Bickle taught is complete nonsense?

  • @robertburke9920
    @robertburke9920 3 місяці тому +1

    So then read the novel “Where Do We go Now, LORD? - Burke.” Explains much. Very much. A fun read, yet ameliorating.

  • @user-pc3xq9gi2k
    @user-pc3xq9gi2k 6 місяців тому +8

    I think your comment that MB doesn't get what is evil behavior has done to his victims is true. Tammy Woods testimony of how MB abused her from the age of 14 is sickening beyond words. I pray that every person MB has manipulated, used and abused comes forward and tells the truth. For their own sake and for the BoC. This evil must be faced and stopped.

  • @scottdwyer646
    @scottdwyer646 6 місяців тому +5

    Thank you for speaking truth, plain and clear. It's been glossed over all this time even the use of the word "Affair" instead of calling it straight out adultery. God's people must stop using these worldly words that were invented to minimize and normalize sin, and evil behaviors. 🙏

  • @julz789
    @julz789 6 місяців тому +1

    I believe God’s mercies still triumph over judgment. Pray for Mike’s repentance and deliverance.

  • @annielyst
    @annielyst 6 місяців тому +1

    Well said. Thank you!

  • @ketocat9301
    @ketocat9301 6 місяців тому +6

    IHOPKC for far too long has become an idol and the leader Mike Bickle “idolized” by many. I have seen it in their posts. Sexual sin was always a point of contention for God in the Old Testament; and sexual sin was always tied to idolatry- Jezebel as well as others. We all need healing in our souls, repentance for idolizing members of the clergy and a clarion call back to holiness-myself included! I pray for the healing of peoples souls, and that this is a wake up call to all of us. Holiness, repentance and healing through the dunamis power of our precious Lord Yeshua.

    • @mt.sinairefuge5360
      @mt.sinairefuge5360 6 місяців тому

      I could tell the guy was a phoney when I first heard of him two decades ago. Wasn´t he ecumenical....some Catholic associations..that is all you needed to know.

  • @abpgrace
    @abpgrace 6 місяців тому +4

    Thank you for speaking out. It’s been a triggerfest for me, especially with so many leaders remaining silent.

  • @jizx8070
    @jizx8070 6 місяців тому +11

    How in the world was this predator able to operate so consistently and so cunningly right in plain view in a so-called "prophetic" community?

    • @mt.sinairefuge5360
      @mt.sinairefuge5360 6 місяців тому

      and his wife didn´t know...right. Any woman would know if her husband is fornicating with dozens or hundreds of women. maybe a financial incentive to keep quiet.

    • @SunnySideup-ks7ot
      @SunnySideup-ks7ot 6 місяців тому

      I was in the NAR. It's set up that way. Everyone is taught that it is dishonoring to question those in authority and to question or point out something wrong is "judging". The gift of discernment is not allowed and even the gift of prophecy is twisted and only allowed if it's a positive word. Clearly there are many good and God fearing people in this but they are being manipulated by others they trust and when you're being manipulated you aren't aware of it at the time.

    • @Weissguys6
      @Weissguys6 5 місяців тому +1

      So called, indeed. A true Cult of Personality.

  • @bert-cq3ij
    @bert-cq3ij 6 місяців тому +1

    "You will know them by their fruit..." One clear "yellow flag" of a possible deeply stained speaker is their fire-brand preaching, in many cases such a person is speaking mostly to themselves...i.e. Jimmy Swaggart. Powerful speaking isn't in itself wrong but the cross of Christ has been repeatedly tarnished by the ones trying to deflect their sin by loud preaching.
    Bickle, like many IOPH leaders, produce flesh-driven "prophecies" and continually make unreasonable demands as a cover for themselves. And, rarely do such "prophecies" come remotely true, most of such never come true. Yet, the gullible stay rather than know the "prophets" are false in their presentations.
    As a spirit-filled Charismatic pastor, I had to repeatedly warn the weak-in-Christ to not give up everything to follow a movement that was littered with "yellow or red flags". The ones that returned were so spiritually torn up that it took great prayerful counselling to bring healing to them.

  • @mikemonahan6720
    @mikemonahan6720 6 місяців тому +1

    It isn't time for healing: it's time for wrath.

  • @robinl6659
    @robinl6659 5 місяців тому +1

    Apostle Paul would have severely dealt with this! This is serious and not a game!

  • @Cynthia99911
    @Cynthia99911 6 місяців тому +6

    We have heard enough. God will deal with him better than man will be able. Time to bring unity and healing.

    • @susannemichel6911
      @susannemichel6911 6 місяців тому +3

      Yes, Part of healing, is to talk about it, and it is time that we talk about it, it will take a lot of processing, feeling, letting go and forgiving….for the victims and the ones affected and it’s ok. Many people’s reality got turned upside down. It takes time. God already knew the truth all along and His grace is strong enough to forgive and heal and He is the truth- still the same rock strong enough and will stand in all the shaking, pain and deception, it will all fall off and in the beginning and the end HE is our safe place, our peace, our deepest source of love.

    • @bert-cq3ij
      @bert-cq3ij 6 місяців тому +1

      Cynthia, part of godliness is openly dealing with sin, and Bickle has had it from the get-go. IHOP has been tarnished from almost the beginning - kept at arm's length by un-numbered thousands of born again, spirit-filled, evangelical churches and educated ministers.
      But, the IHOP-ites remained loyal, refusing to see the twisting of scripture and the numerous unfulfilled "prophecies". Maybe now they will divorce themselves from this movement that has ruined so many lives. Bickle must be marked, fully exposed as a fraud, sexual predator, and wolf in sheep's clothing. Unity and healing comes with discipline thru love...even prison if warranted.

  • @TroyStevens430
    @TroyStevens430 6 місяців тому +11

    Just the beginning. Ihopkc is finished and Mike will likely end up in prison.
    The question now is how many other ihopkc leaders are involved in this.

    • @jenicarter4190
      @jenicarter4190 6 місяців тому

      😢😢😢

    • @TroyStevens430
      @TroyStevens430 6 місяців тому +5

      @@jenicarter4190 Shed a tear for the victims, not the abusers & enablers.

    • @dbaxley4342
      @dbaxley4342 6 місяців тому +3

      Sad assessment. Do you even know what speculation is. Can you let God finish what he has begun, please!! Enough already.

    • @TroyStevens430
      @TroyStevens430 6 місяців тому

      @@dbaxley4342 oh I know very well what speculation is. What you don't understand is that I'm not speculating. God has been showing me prophetically for several years that this judgment upon the church is coming. I'm simply watching it now play out in front of my eyes. Spare me your sermon. You have no idea what you're talking about.

    • @tessah1730
      @tessah1730 6 місяців тому

      youre right the judgments on the leaders is hpapening all over - look at td snakes - biggest scandal ever - - makes bickle look mild - its horrendous - much more will come out - some of teh mega church leaderss have also done oaths wtih the masons etc... mass exposure of these leaders now coming

  • @lindarice4695
    @lindarice4695 6 місяців тому +2

    Decades of very sinful behavior does not reflect salvation. The redeemed don't act like that for decades.

    • @ruthstorkel9627
      @ruthstorkel9627 6 місяців тому

      This is not the truth about IHOP. It has been a place that has honored God and worshiped Him for decades!

  • @elohisaroeh652
    @elohisaroeh652 3 місяці тому

    so sad! I am reading his books so much insight and wisdom in them!! how can someone be so deceived by Satan! does he not fear God?

  • @PixieTheRabbit
    @PixieTheRabbit 6 місяців тому +1

    He can't possibly have been sorry way back then. It wasn't even a one-time sin that he acknowledged and confessed. He knew that what he did was illegal--even doing it once was illegal. Even if it had been a one-time crime, what he did made him ineligible to be a Christian leader. Making her promise to keep it a secret doesn't surprise me. I am sure that he made many others make the same promise.

  • @carriemaurer4363
    @carriemaurer4363 5 місяців тому

    Just now hearing this.

  • @sheilaboland6285
    @sheilaboland6285 6 місяців тому +1

    Lots of ppl to comment after the fact, but nobody seemed to care to intervene. Lots of bystanders!

  • @karenbuchan1
    @karenbuchan1 3 місяці тому

    Yes it’s tragic for many. What about the blatant unbiblical teaching and practices that were received and believed by “believers”? Is IHOP going to continue down that crooked path?

  • @lindarice4695
    @lindarice4695 6 місяців тому +2

    Bob Jones, Paul Cain. Toss their prophecies out the window.

    • @SunnySideup-ks7ot
      @SunnySideup-ks7ot 6 місяців тому +1

      A channel called Magical Mystical Church does an excellent job exposing those two false prophets.

  • @williambleckley9058
    @williambleckley9058 6 місяців тому +2

    OH GOD WHAT HAVE WE BECOME, THAT WE ALLOW PEDIFILE IN OUR PULPITS> GOD TAKE NOT YOUR HOLY SPIRIT FROMUS, WE HAVED SINNED.WHERE ARE THE SO CALLED PROPHETS OF GOD STANDING UP AND DENOUNCING SIN< INSTEAD OF RESTORING LEADERS WHO SHOULD NEVER BE BEHIND THE PULPIT. FROM NOW ON I GIVE MY LIFE TO MY KNEES TO THE ALTAR

  • @lindag9975
    @lindag9975 6 місяців тому +5

    Tragic. I can't imagine how much this hurt a 14 year old girl.
    But he probably doesn't know how to understand the harm he has done to others and to actually repent.

  • @susannemichel6911
    @susannemichel6911 6 місяців тому +1

    I am so sorry, i can hear your pain, it’s painful to hear all the abuse that happened, beyond sexual abuse, it was and is spiritual abuse- Thank you for your honesty and integrity sharing, that is so healing. As one of the hardest things i have experienced in churches, that things are not addressed openly or “allowed” to be talked about.

  • @wandasewell
    @wandasewell 6 місяців тому +3

    I am so sorry to hear this bad report. The one and only time I visited IHOP I was able to run into you and Annette which was a blessing. You had relocated there by that time. I wonder if Mike will go to jail over these evil deeds. I encourage you to try and get Living Waters into the prison system as well. I was trained in LW under Katherine Allen's mentoring many years ago and a friend (Kim Mussolini Jarvis) gifted me your online LW videos and I have restudied that material. Even all these years later it is very helpful. Maybe Mike would submit to this training. May God bless you as you and Annette continue to stand for relational wholeness in and for Jesus! I know you are getting ready to pass the baton & I pray you and Annette finish well. Love in Christ, Wanda

  • @hannah-hj3qt
    @hannah-hj3qt 6 місяців тому +4

    speaking the truth is correct and must be done, but it is also bad -evil even- to despise so deeply someone. We must hate the sin not the sinner. It creates more hatred.

  • @elizabethgould994
    @elizabethgould994 6 місяців тому +5

    he was obsessed with Song of Solomon...come on

    • @ruthmayforth5933
      @ruthmayforth5933 6 місяців тому +2

      And the Bridal Paradigm. And using/encouraging romanticized language to express worship.

    • @matthewcraig8926
      @matthewcraig8926 6 місяців тому

      Must have been from The Passion Translation.

    • @myramoir4056
      @myramoir4056 6 місяців тому +4

      ​​@@matthewcraig8926Nice try but no. Bickle was teaching this long before the Passion Bible. You do know that the Passion Bible is a paraphrase like The Living Bible right? It's not supposed to be taken as a true translation.

    • @matthewcraig8926
      @matthewcraig8926 6 місяців тому

      @@myramoir4056 That was sarcasm. I wouldn't even use it as a paraphrase after hearing what the Author Brian Simmons wants to do with it. He's getting into Joseph Smith type stuff now. No thanks.
      Bible Gateway and a few other online Bible bookstore sites have taken The Passion Translation off their sites now thank God

    • @matthewcraig8926
      @matthewcraig8926 6 місяців тому +4

      @@myramoir4056 Yes. I was being sarcastic.
      I wouldn't use the Passion Translation after listening to what the author Brian Simmons has been claiming in the last few years. He's becoming more like Joseph Smith. Wants to add to scripture. Claims of being taken to heaven and shown another chapter to the book of John. Bible Gateway and online Bible took the Passion Translation off their sites, which says a lot.

  • @christineterry2381
    @christineterry2381 5 місяців тому

    Maybe we could also pray for Mike and his family? God loves him as much as He loves us.

  • @kamrantehran8968
    @kamrantehran8968 5 місяців тому

    I left IHOP many years ago sometime before the Paul Caine homosexual escapades. I'm sad to see Mike fall, and I mourn for the women who were manipulated by a powerful man. May God have mercy on his people and heal all who are affected, in Jesus' name, I pray.

  • @inekeaknoeff7761
    @inekeaknoeff7761 6 місяців тому +3

    IHOP has had it time. In spite of the evil of MB the Lord has used the ministry. Now is the time to shut down. God will give new ways.

  • @dbaxley4342
    @dbaxley4342 6 місяців тому +2

    But, Andrew can’t you still see that God … takes what Satan uses for Evil and totally re- weaves it to bringing a redemptive outcome. IF we cannot see this deep and necessary truth where is GOD in all of this. ?

  • @ruthstorkel9627
    @ruthstorkel9627 6 місяців тому

    DO WE BELIEVE everything the newspapers say these days? I certainly don't. Don't be duped!

  • @jizx8070
    @jizx8070 6 місяців тому +4

    It is nauseating and horrible. And confirms how important your ministry to those caught in sexual sin is right now.

  • @walkersonneville5036
    @walkersonneville5036 5 місяців тому

    1 Corinthians 7:5 Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

  • @ThegospelofNarc-lv3dw
    @ThegospelofNarc-lv3dw 5 місяців тому

    God is calling His people out into the wilderness..come out of these corrupt '4 walled churches' ... Follow His Spirit there, He will heal those that were molested, abused and misled, He will restore the hearts of those who seek Him and all of the years that the locust have eaten. Take your eyes off of men and place them firmly on Christ....In Christ alone our hope is found

  • @edwardking1312
    @edwardking1312 6 місяців тому +1

    His law teachings was his problem. The law arouses sin and he is proof.

  • @jizx8070
    @jizx8070 6 місяців тому +4

    "Now Eli was very old, but he was aware of what his sons were doing to the people of Israel. He knew, for instance, that his sons were seducing the young women who assisted at the entrance of the Tabernacle"

  • @MrMrscoffey
    @MrMrscoffey 6 місяців тому

    MUST LAMENT..just being so spoiled in America

    • @SunnySideup-ks7ot
      @SunnySideup-ks7ot 6 місяців тому

      I'm not sure what you mean. Could you explain?

  • @sheilawilson3799
    @sheilawilson3799 6 місяців тому +3

    Could it b that he is mentally ill. When his mood would b so elevated he was yelling and carrying on u would think i wonder if he has🎉 Bi-polar Disorder, known to be mood instability and risky inappropriate behavior. That is not an excuse in any way for his behavior but just an observation

    • @I6is9f
      @I6is9f 6 місяців тому

      Um - he's on some shit too. ADD meds or street stimulants...like a cokehead at a bar.

    • @AnonyMom777
      @AnonyMom777 6 місяців тому

      Do you think his marriage would sustain, and wife not have talked to anyone about the abuse she would have suffered under his "leadership"? The mentally ill can only hide it for so long, and eventually it comes out from behind closed doors as well. Some people are just evil. We don't see it because they know all the church words and actions. BTK serial killer in Wichita KS went to church every Sunday. He was finally busted because he sent police a CD that was burned at his church. He was calm as can be. The thing about MB is that people are coming out of the woodwork now, saying, "I KNEW there was something off about him!" I wonder if the same people saw something was off about Tim Ballard. You could see his issues without even being in his presence.

    • @SherryONeill
      @SherryONeill 6 місяців тому

      More Like Narcissistic PerSonality DisOrder
      I am A Survivor Of Narc Abuse
      These People Are Demonized

  • @gregorycalvello3663
    @gregorycalvello3663 6 місяців тому +5

    There is proof, beside someone accusing mike ?

    • @ruthmayforth5933
      @ruthmayforth5933 6 місяців тому +4

      People for both Jane Doe and Tammy Woods corroborated aspects of their stories, and their stories have too many similarities, they sound like the work of the same person and sound very credible. Also, Mike Bickle admitted to sexual encounters with Jane Doe and with a second woman (not Tammy Woods) as well. That being said, there should be a proper investigation

    • @KristiLEvans1
      @KristiLEvans1 6 місяців тому

      Test mont is evidence.

  • @jonathancarr9353
    @jonathancarr9353 6 місяців тому

    so so so sad… i thank GodJesus is our king and shepherd…and His Kingdom and church is far more ancient and founded on an unshakable foundation than IHOP.this gives me hope for the future

  • @johnwatters5820
    @johnwatters5820 6 місяців тому +1

    All the comments ... very simply this will test your forgiveness... Fact is Jesus will forgive him if he shows true repentance if He doesn't then as God is dealing with Him now He will continue to deal with him as his own judge. However, hard though it maybe..for yourselves keep a clean and pure heart as Jesus did who did not cast any first stones ... offense is a very difficult enemy

  • @justinmayfield6579
    @justinmayfield6579 6 місяців тому +4

    I read it, too. I have no dog in this fight other than Jesus. As an outsider, hearing words used like “predator” feel worldly. I don’t think it’s accurate and it classifies sin as something almost nonhuman. It’s also not accurate to say he had actual sex with anyone. Not to take away from Mike’s sin, but being dramatic is not edifying or mature, if you’re considering yourself a minister. I get emotional reactions to the actions of leaders but maybe process off the internet.

    • @darbydickey
      @darbydickey 6 місяців тому +6

      Paul in the Epistles warned that grievous wolves had entered in amongst the flock. What is a wolf if not a predator? And no they aren’t human. This is in my opinion the duty of a watchman. Ie to warn! To sound an alarm.

    • @SherryONeill
      @SherryONeill 6 місяців тому

      @@darbydickey
      DeFinitely Not Fully HuMan When A PerSon Uses Other HuMans For Evil Purposes
      Demonized

    • @justinmayfield6579
      @justinmayfield6579 6 місяців тому +1

      @@SherryONeill Your comment defined almost all sin.

    • @justinmayfield6579
      @justinmayfield6579 6 місяців тому +1

      @@darbydickey The statement in the video was using "predator" in the sense that the world does, meaning, "sexual predator."
      Also, there is a world of difference between someone who sinned while they were leading, and someone who was intentionally trying to lead astray the Body of Christ, doctrinally. The latter sense is the one found in the verse you are referring to (it's Acts 20:29), where Paul is speaking to the Ephesian elders:
      "I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them. Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears."
      Again, not taking away from Mike's sin, though. I hope he did repent at some point, as it seems he did. May it be a warning to us all to take heed lest we fall and hurt people in the process.
      "Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature."
      1 Corinthians 14:20

  • @SilasAram
    @SilasAram 6 місяців тому

    It was not too long ago, few weeks ago, i saw a video of Andrew defending MB
    Now the video has been redacted
    and you see this video now

  • @stynes71
    @stynes71 6 місяців тому

    Shocking

  • @jizx8070
    @jizx8070 6 місяців тому

    Sexual purity is essential to the worship of God - throughout the scriptures. How much sexual evil was released to the whole Body of Christ through a sexually corrupted movement? This shows, Andy, how important your ministry really is. Hold fast to Jesus.

  • @danielmiller2069
    @danielmiller2069 5 місяців тому

    Ravi Zacharias again.

  • @pamelakilgore7836
    @pamelakilgore7836 6 місяців тому

    I'm sorry too in Jesus name amen.

  • @spiritoftruthprophecybybro4568
    @spiritoftruthprophecybybro4568 5 місяців тому

    You are projecting that you are "getting off" on saying these things sir. This too is shameful sin.

  • @Opinions.aremine
    @Opinions.aremine 6 місяців тому +1

    MB has so much in common with Noah

  • @tboned1
    @tboned1 6 місяців тому +5

    first clue...all the prophets are dead

    • @sheilaboland6285
      @sheilaboland6285 6 місяців тому

      T boned What does that prove? Ppl die.

    • @ronnieleonard8444
      @ronnieleonard8444 6 місяців тому +3

      ​@@sheilaboland6285There have been no prophets since the NT Apostles.

    • @sheilaboland6285
      @sheilaboland6285 6 місяців тому +1

      Ronn- there have been😂

    • @ronnieleonard8444
      @ronnieleonard8444 6 місяців тому +3

      @sheilaboland6285 When Heidi Baker says "the Lord says" nothing that follows is what the Lord said.

    • @ruthstorkel9627
      @ruthstorkel9627 6 місяців тому +1

      YOU ARE WRONG...THEY are not.dead

  • @deirdrehelms5958
    @deirdrehelms5958 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for this video.

  • @lindarice4695
    @lindarice4695 6 місяців тому

    Jesus warned of false prophets and teachers and masterful deceivers.

  • @dbaxley4342
    @dbaxley4342 6 місяців тому +2

    And dear friends the enemy will NOT get the final win regarding all of this. We need the Lord.. we need his word. We need to be enlightened in a deeper way re: the power of God. … vs the power of the enemy of our souls. We need to realize that there are sexual Familiar Spirits that do work through people … you see it insane sex attraction and right here … there are reasons in Mikes life for all of this most likely connected to his childhood. And I definitely agree he doesn’t see this all clearly. Yes, compartmentalization is how one lives a compromised life. It requires God’s deliverance.
    My concern is … did it continue on past 2002. The last episode. I wish the truth up till the day would be given. IT MATTERS.
    I care … Condemn the darkness But, have great compassion for All including Mike friends. 😔🙏🏻😔🙏🏻🕊🕊🕊🕊🕊 that’s the kingdom way. Hate the evil. Love the one whose suffered from its tyrant oppression and of course Lord deliver and use what Satan has meant for Evil for Good in the lives of all the ones so affected. 😢

    • @johnschmitt7971
      @johnschmitt7971 6 місяців тому +2

      Amen, I would have walked away from the Church and God if not for the Prayer Room and teachings from many different people at ihopkc, kept me in God's word and seeking and searching for more.
      There is much hurt and forgiveness needed from the victims to start a life long road through recovery.
      I pray for every person involved and ask for forgiveness to rejoice in there hearts and the LOVE of JESUS to heal.
      As for Mike i hope he see his sins and repents for them so he can see evil was working in him as a victim of evil that Jesus would heal him as he did with Peter.

    • @dbaxley4342
      @dbaxley4342 6 місяців тому

      @@johnschmitt7971 I’m so glad you remained with the Lord … and found grounding at ihop … we must not throw the baby out with the bath water. There has been so much good fruit that has been produced at IHOP. People have lost there perspective. And Satan is loving it. This is his favorite past time … The Holy Spirit is not finished Shaking the church, in every way. I hope John, you are feeling and remaining strong in the Lord, sweet friend. 🩶🕊🩶🕊🩶🕊🙏🏻

  • @MrMrscoffey
    @MrMrscoffey 6 місяців тому

    JESUS MUST ALWAYS BE THE ONLY ONE!!!!!!!!

  • @momabearministry
    @momabearministry 6 місяців тому

    Demonic abuse of power, 👍

  • @150highst
    @150highst 6 місяців тому +3

    Andy I agree with most of what you said its terrible but you intimated Mike created the ministry for his own devious ends which I dont beleive and secondly you were negative about the prayer room contiunuing which is not helpful . I was just listening to it today . So annointed they are the heroes here and we need to do everyrthing we can to ensure it keeps going.

    • @I6is9f
      @I6is9f 6 місяців тому

      Sick.

  • @berealrb1496
    @berealrb1496 6 місяців тому +3

    Just forgive this Mike guy and not magnify his sin. Give ,Jesus all your attention and love! Help the women.

    • @mt.sinairefuge5360
      @mt.sinairefuge5360 6 місяців тому

      right..because they were "victims" ..no culpability for jezabels that fornicate with the obvious false prophet....you people are something else with your feminism and always portraying women as the victim when they were guilty too. incredible.

    • @ImmanuelaImmanuela-us1ro
      @ImmanuelaImmanuela-us1ro 6 місяців тому +1

      Wow......

    • @nonyabusiness9747
      @nonyabusiness9747 6 місяців тому

      ​@@ImmanuelaImmanuela-us1ro don't like that,. Well you won't like this either. "MIKE is forgiven of all past, present, and future sin.!"

    • @mt.sinairefuge5360
      @mt.sinairefuge5360 6 місяців тому +1

      Wrong...that is typical american cheap grace churchianity (Satanism) He could be forgiven if he truly repented if God grants him repentence. or...Hebrews 10:26 In-Context
      26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. @@nonyabusiness9747

    • @ruthmayforth5933
      @ruthmayforth5933 6 місяців тому +3

      @@nonyabusiness9747Why are you so sure that Bickle is not one of the false prophets described in Matthew 7:21-23: “Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, 'I NEVER KNEW YOU; depart from Me, you who practice iniquity!'

  • @davidward5225
    @davidward5225 6 місяців тому

    The luster is permanently tarnished, IHOPKC may never recover, and so be it.

    • @nonyabusiness9747
      @nonyabusiness9747 6 місяців тому +1

      NO.

    • @Butterfly-truth
      @Butterfly-truth 6 місяців тому +2

      "Unless the Lord builds the house, they who build it labor in vain." Psalm 127:1
      It's God's business to build the house. If man builds it, it won't last. This house was not what it seemed from the outside and God knew it.
      If He wants, He can build a better house than this .
      1 Corinthians 3:11-15 (WEB) :
      "For no one can lay any other foundation than that which has been laid, which is Jesus Christ.
      But if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, or stubble,
      each man’s work will be revealed. For the Day will declare it, because it is revealed in fire; and the fire itself will test what sort of work each man’s work is.
      If any man’s work remains which he built on it, he will receive a reward.
      If any man’s work is burned, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, but as through fire."
      Bickle burned this house down with his own two hands.

  • @wilki61
    @wilki61 6 місяців тому

    Take a look at the bible .There sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more how do you measure Gods word in the situation.God is not remembering the sin.

  • @angiebernard4155
    @angiebernard4155 6 місяців тому

    Your voice is so creepy

  • @gregorycalvello3663
    @gregorycalvello3663 6 місяців тому +1

    Bro, how dear you come out and rebuke mike online. Sir How about your sin ?. the Lord told you to rebuke mike on youtube ??

    • @matthewcraig8926
      @matthewcraig8926 6 місяців тому +7

      Ok. So you think we just let people continue in sin like MB and not call it out?? Especially when spiritual and sexual manipulation is involved?
      Gheesh. Next thing we know you'll be saying "touch not God's anointed" as a cop out

    • @gregorycalvello3663
      @gregorycalvello3663 6 місяців тому

      @@matthewcraig8926 what proof?? And as you know innocent until proven guilty. Many witches across America 🇺🇸 who would love to make things worse for Mike bickle, and Ihop.

    • @lionjudah8900
      @lionjudah8900 6 місяців тому

      How "dear you" 😂🤣

    • @robinl6659
      @robinl6659 5 місяців тому

      @@matthewcraig8926you are RIGHT!