I'm not good enough to fold here and neither is the caller. This is monsters under the bed, or trying to look awesome, looking for one of 5 realistic combos.
It just feels like poker is getting worse and people trying to make these absurd laydowns to try and top each other ever since Polk's 2nd nut straight fold against Hellmuth. Maybe even earlier than that.
i agree. this dude has humility and it makes the whole thing an interesting conversation rather than some dumbass arguing with bart like sometimes happens.
Great take on this. This is about live poker - that gut feel you get from playing a table for a while. His perception of the player and the way the table was playing makes this understandable. His objectivity about the way it would be perceived is nice
Agree, that’s the problem that prevents caller from diverging from making a common call. Hero looks pretty weak for that should outweigh any vague live tells against an unknown opponent.
I think villain could’ve easily thought his QJ of diamonds was good with hero’s line. I don’t think it’s likely villain would’ve bet the size he did on the turn with A2 or 55. Possible? Yes.. but more often than not, no. That’s why Hero has an EASY call. And that’s why hero should be shamed.
If you can beat value, never fold at live cash games without a serious read. Also, the snap jam river is so much more often a bluff than not a bluff when a crazy texture changing card comes, not sure why caller thinks of it as a tell the other way.
I agree about the insta jam when the fourth diamond came. I'd have a hard time ignoring that and folding. But I also wasn't there. Sometimes, you just know. That little voice in the back of your head becomes to loud to ignore.
What value is he beating? Why would a nit blast on the river with Q diamond? He has to think he's always getting called by the K diamond and will sometimes fold out the J diamond with such a polarizing bet. Too many people are aware of the snap jam tell and will reverse it to get a call. It's just as easy to jam with a nut hand as it is to jam a busted draw.
@@AT-bw4cm he has no idea if he's a nit or not. "haven't seen any big pots in a little while at a table I don't play at with people I don't know" isn't enough to base any reads on whatsoever.
@@Jermo484 You can get a good read on a table within 15 min. There are other cues you can immediately use as a baseline and adjust as time goes on. Table talk, the way they stack their chips, what they are wearing are a few. Even most players you play with regularly have gears and will switch from being nitty to aggressive and vice versa. Looking for patterns in the moment will serve you best.
@@AT-bw4cm these are hilariously useless "reads". I've seen splashy, wild people stack their chips in 10 stacks and nits do jumbled messes of stacks. And again, he said none of that. All he said is they haven't played any big hands. I'm not vaguely nitty and have gone hours without playing a big hand.
When I watched this on live stream, I typed "cannot fold" when the river card hit & hero checked. But I think the caller changed my mind. My initial feeling was that hero had seriously under-represented his hand. I also thought that if we applied MDF; hero never has any hands stronger. Now hero could be slow-playing AA or A2 here; but he snaps with that. There is no decision. It is not a "defend", hero is hoping villain bets & is ready to jam himself. The caller explained that he'd been playing this table for hours & it was playing really tight. "Small ball" is how he described it. He also said villain seemed tight & competent. As I thought about his reasoning for folding I started thinking through this hand. Mainly trying to figure out what Villain might have. I don't buy that this is AxQd. Villain is betting 1100 into 900. That does not make any sense to me. Why go for fold equity? Villain having a boat+ does make sense to me. He is hoping hero has a big diamond here. Using hero/callers reads here; I don't believe villain has much air here. So what could he have?? It took me some time but I did find one hand [2 combos available] that is not totally crazy. A5s. Villain turns aces up. Gets frustrated by the fourth diamond on river & jams to get hero to maybe laydown a not so great diamond. At the end of the day --- I don't think anyone can say a call is a mistake here, especially the way hero soft played his holding plus MDF. But my final thinking is that hero actually loses this hand fairly often when he calls.
If the Qd overbet jams it's almost definitely because it's turned itself into a bluff, there's no way middling diamonds are calling that for more than pot right?
Yeah, the guy checked the turn on a diamond. Surely that makes it more likely to see a bluff on the river. If the villain has the Q of diamonds it’s not really even a bluff. Pretty nitty fold imo
There are certain players who only ever make this play with a boat or better. Based on what the caller is saying, this villain sounds like one of them.
The fold was correct since he said he was facing a tight player. No way a tight player would over jam with just the Q. And if he was floating with a back door it would likely have a diamond that he would check back on the end. He would have to be turning backdoor clubs only into a bluff! Most likely the guy had 55,
Vegas poker has been trash for a while. It's creeped over to LA poker. The nits and Euro's ruin everything....miss the days men used to drink, talk and play cards.
Those days wont come back. I played professionally online, but when I played live once in a while, at least I had the decency to get drunk like a madman;)
I hate people who act like you can't be serious when playing poker. You can't be a "for profit" poker player? If people just want to have fun and gamble..there are plenty of slots and other games. With technology, poker is way harder than it used to be. None of us are forced to keep playing poker though. I play poker for fun and to pass time..but I'm not an idiot who expects to lose every time I play..and I'm always trying to make money.
How many people would check the nut flush on the end in that situation? I bet next to nobody. so villain probably doesn’t think you have the king of diamonds. Therefore shove.
I thought Doug Polk said that you would bet with a diamond because you could continue vs a raise with an out to a flush and you should check non-diamonds so that you can call a bet (assuming a bet to a similar size you would have made yourself anyways)?
If your folding this hand as played i would consider quitting the game forever. This is just a ridiculous fold. You lose to 2 combo's of A2s and 3 combo's of 555. If he has one of those (for about a pot sized bet) good luck to him. Hero underrepped his hand by playing it passively and is so high in his range this is a must call.
He can only have 5s here, which is 3 combos, because he bet turn half pot. It could also be an annoyed low flush bluff jam. Because Hero showed so much weakness... I can never imagine he actually wants a call.
I don't know. There are just a lot of hands that the villain could be turning into a bluff. He could have a lot of pocket pairs that get here thinking they might be good, but realizing they aren't on the turn, and then turning them into a bluff on the river. I'd stick with the math. I'm never folding here.
The quick jam on the river is why I call here. As played, I'm fully expecting villain has a turned-flush or specifically 55 every single time. Maybe the posturing Hero noted before Villain bet turn could expect 55 more often than usual, but I think he out-turned us, we out-rivered him and threw the best hand.
What you said could be true that the stake is too high for him. But not because he folded. If you could nodelock all the bluffs and only keep Qd in this is an insanely profitable fold. Not to mention most people won't instantly jam Qd here. It all depends on how reliable the tell is. If villain isn't someone you played against regularly then this is probably a call regardless.
So I check to give him rope..and he takes so much rope that I folded. 😅 Come on..if you play the entire hand hoping he bluffs..and then you get scared of the bluff..wtf are you even doing.
@@supersmoo7377 exactly this...villain is probably thinking hero has a big ace with no diamond..so this is a bad run out for hero..so time to value bet a Q high flush.
I can't see myself folding in this situation ever. If he called the 3 bet with a baby pocket pair and now has the unlikely full house or even less likely quads (or even less less likely straight flush that called with 34 of diamonds) then he is getting my money, and I would not even give it a second thought. I'm just calling here 100% of the time.
This is interesting because "a nit" raised on the button and called the 3-bet. Nits don't typically open with anything other than a Ax where x = Jack or higher (suited or unsuited doesn't matter), connected suited broadway cards, or medium to high pocket pairs (normally 99 or above). The fact that he just called on the flop and then bet turn when checked to limits his potential range to Ax where the X is J, Q or K (can't have K of diamonds here, so potential Q or J of diamonds), and pairs like 99-QQ with a diamond (I don't see nits 4-betting very often unless they have KK or AA). It's SUPER high probable that he has the Q of diamonds in his hand from this range, so I would flick in the call. I can't see him betting turn with a hand like 77 and then rivering a boat b/c that's not in his opening range and he would want to get to showdown cheaply with his pair + flush draw. So, he either has the flush already (QJ of diamonds), or A x w/ a single diamond. I don't think he EVER has A2 suited or quads here, and he's not continuing in this hand unless he has QJ of diamonds, Ax where x is a broadway diamond, or a hand like QQ of diamonds and now thinks you 3-bet him light and bet small on flop as a "blocker bet". He's going to check back all other pairs (with or without a diamond), so you almost HAVE to call this shove. value owning himself as Bart likes to put it :) If he indeed has A2 suited, that's only 2 combinations out of all possible hands, but then your read on him of being a "nit" is wrong and would need to reassess this player.
None of this shit matters. If he's a NIT REG, he's almost NEVER bluffing. He also almost NEVER jams Qd. So if that's the case, it's a fold. Yes it's a "deviation", but if he's convinced he's a nit reg, he's probably right.
The way Villian played, he almost never has a fullhouse. The once in a blue moon with A2 suited. But more likely, with the raise/call 3 bet preflop its more geared towards broadway holdings including hands such as AQ/AJ. The fact that he bet turn, makes me lean towards AQ with queen of diamonds or AJ jack of diamonds. OR something like QJ diamonds for a turned flush. The jam on river is pure value from a flush.
Really confusing line by the caller. I've certainly played with folks that just always have it when they jam, but I would never consider checking the nut flush to those players because by that same logic, that 0s out any value you're getting from worse hands here.
I honestly sort of agree with the caller. This is absolutely a bad play but against the right opponent i would absolutely fold this. I have a friend which, with this line, never has anything worse than a full house here
I only fold it against a few river-nit players I know well. And against them, I likely lead out somewhere between a block and 1/2 pot, to get paid by the flushes they'd check behind, which would be all of their flushes. So, I never am in this spot, but I really don't consider it a tough spot. As played, I never fold just based upon a rough estimate of their table image. I also would be 100% sure of whether or not the chips that people had been putting out under the gun, constituted a straddle or a blind raise. Not knowing that, even for one hand, is a -EV mistake. Not knowing that for a whole session, is ridiculous.
to answer you question - yes, I would consider folding - - I've made big folds and some quite bad. You can only beat value, but the way the hand went down, I feel like he has bluffs
I can't see folding, but also don't know how solid his opinion of the villain is. Has he played against the guy 50 times? 3times? Every once in a while you find yourself in these spots and in my experience it is often some weird way the opponent is thinking of the hand. Idk if that makes sense. Like, they're thinking it through but their logic train is off the track.
Sorry, but are notably tight players at notably tight tables often calling 4x 3-bets with A2s or 55? I'm labeling that a rarity, so the odds are way in H's favor to call river.
With the small flop bet and check on turn you learned nothing he could be floating anything in his three bet call range which could be lots of pairs and suited connectors
I think this is a real player dependent situation. Considering there IS one value hand that you can beat that can play this way (QJdd that hit the flush on the turn and fires again in the river thinking it’s still good), I would lean towards calling if it was a player I knew was capable of making moves or a player I didn’t know anything about. But if it’s a player that I feel is a nit that I’ve seen play enough to know would never put that kind of money in unless he effectively ‘knew’ he was good, I would (very reluctantly) fold. In most situations here barring that I would call it off though.
I actually thought about this and don't think it's a crazy thought. It just so hard cause even though the nut flush seems like a good hand I lost count at with the paired board it's not even like 10th best hand and probably half those aren't crazy plays
I'm never folding here but truthfully I think hero would lose over 50% of the time. Less sure about the 35% he actually needs. Still just way too big a deviation for me.
Gotta snap it off. Even a nittier villain won’t check back Qd after hero goes cbet-xc-x. If you think they *are* that nitty hero should just lead jam the river himself. This line can’t be consistent with folding.
Bart says check the nut flush on the river? That’s just horrendous wtf do you think he could have? You can’t think he has aces or quads given the play. This is insanity
I don't think that is why he is saying to check. The reason he is saying to check is that you'll make more by doing so. The villain has very few hands with which he can call, so betting isn't going to win you much money. However, the villain does have a lot of hands with which he can bluff. So the hero needs to either check or bet _really_ small to try and induce a bluff.
On the turn here all I put him on is diamonds or quads, when I hit the flush on the river I bet 405 and evaluate. Based on his reaction to that bet u decide if you’re calling a jam… which I’m not unless I have a read bc I’m fcked here
A2 spades A2 hearts Pocket 5s I highly doubt a “competent” player is open cold-calling a 3 bet with A2 out of position. Win or lose - idk how you fold there
this hand was versus me actually, really cool to be in the video. I actually had KQcc for a bluff to get you off of any broadway pair containing a diamond. I would not expect him to fold KK with a diamond but i guess it worked lol
bart? isnt it? i heard a voice what sounded like u on a youtube video about a stolen dog what was killed- it turned out to be u- i have sympathy- how cruel how sad- im sorry u lost your dog- i had a cat what was poisoned> u just killed my best friend for the last ten years- how cruel how sad
Would you ever consider folding here to this river all-in holding the Kd?
no lol
Never 😂
I can't lay this down. No.
I'm not good enough to fold here and neither is the caller. This is monsters under the bed, or trying to look awesome, looking for one of 5 realistic combos.
It just feels like poker is getting worse and people trying to make these absurd laydowns to try and top each other ever since Polk's 2nd nut straight fold against Hellmuth. Maybe even earlier than that.
I liked the caller's understanding of his own plays, and how they'd be perceived. He had a sense of humor about it too which is great.
i agree. this dude has humility and it makes the whole thing an interesting conversation rather than some dumbass arguing with bart like sometimes happens.
Great take on this. This is about live poker - that gut feel you get from playing a table for a while. His perception of the player and the way the table was playing makes this understandable. His objectivity about the way it would be perceived is nice
We exuded weakness in this hand. We bet 1/3 pot on flop, then checked the turn. We opened the door to being bluffed by giving our opponent some rope.
Agree, that’s the problem that prevents caller from diverging from making a common call. Hero looks pretty weak for that should outweigh any vague live tells against an unknown opponent.
I think villain could’ve easily thought his QJ of diamonds was good with hero’s line.
I don’t think it’s likely villain would’ve bet the size he did on the turn with A2 or 55. Possible? Yes.. but more often than not, no. That’s why Hero has an EASY call. And that’s why hero should be shamed.
If you can beat value, never fold at live cash games without a serious read. Also, the snap jam river is so much more often a bluff than not a bluff when a crazy texture changing card comes, not sure why caller thinks of it as a tell the other way.
I agree about the insta jam when the fourth diamond came. I'd have a hard time ignoring that and folding. But I also wasn't there. Sometimes, you just know. That little voice in the back of your head becomes to loud to ignore.
What value is he beating? Why would a nit blast on the river with Q diamond? He has to think he's always getting called by the K diamond and will sometimes fold out the J diamond with such a polarizing bet. Too many people are aware of the snap jam tell and will reverse it to get a call. It's just as easy to jam with a nut hand as it is to jam a busted draw.
@@AT-bw4cm he has no idea if he's a nit or not. "haven't seen any big pots in a little while at a table I don't play at with people I don't know" isn't enough to base any reads on whatsoever.
@@Jermo484 You can get a good read on a table within 15 min. There are other cues you can immediately use as a baseline and adjust as time goes on. Table talk, the way they stack their chips, what they are wearing are a few. Even most players you play with regularly have gears and will switch from being nitty to aggressive and vice versa. Looking for patterns in the moment will serve you best.
@@AT-bw4cm these are hilariously useless "reads". I've seen splashy, wild people stack their chips in 10 stacks and nits do jumbled messes of stacks. And again, he said none of that. All he said is they haven't played any big hands. I'm not vaguely nitty and have gone hours without playing a big hand.
When I watched this on live stream, I typed "cannot fold" when the river card hit & hero checked. But I think the caller changed my mind.
My initial feeling was that hero had seriously under-represented his hand. I also thought that if we applied MDF; hero never has any hands stronger. Now hero could be slow-playing AA or A2 here; but he snaps with that. There is no decision. It is not a "defend", hero is hoping villain bets & is ready to jam himself.
The caller explained that he'd been playing this table for hours & it was playing really tight. "Small ball" is how he described it. He also said villain seemed tight & competent.
As I thought about his reasoning for folding I started thinking through this hand. Mainly trying to figure out what Villain might have. I don't buy that this is AxQd. Villain is betting 1100 into 900. That does not make any sense to me. Why go for fold equity? Villain having a boat+ does make sense to me. He is hoping hero has a big diamond here.
Using hero/callers reads here; I don't believe villain has much air here. So what could he have?? It took me some time but I did find one hand [2 combos available] that is not totally crazy. A5s. Villain turns aces up. Gets frustrated by the fourth diamond on river & jams to get hero to maybe laydown a not so great diamond.
At the end of the day --- I don't think anyone can say a call is a mistake here, especially the way hero soft played his holding plus MDF. But my final thinking is that hero actually loses this hand fairly often when he calls.
This was a live stream?
@@qlow5956 Yes Mondays. I think it's at 3 pm eastern
This guy needs to drop down to $1/$3 so he is properly bankrolled to make this type of Call.
He could have been jamming a Q not as a bluff. Thinking its the best hand.
why jam then
If the Qd overbet jams it's almost definitely because it's turned itself into a bluff, there's no way middling diamonds are calling that for more than pot right?
Yeah, the guy checked the turn on a diamond. Surely that makes it more likely to see a bluff on the river. If the villain has the Q of diamonds it’s not really even a bluff. Pretty nitty fold imo
There are certain players who only ever make this play with a boat or better.
Based on what the caller is saying, this villain sounds like one of them.
Is that player the same guy who calls a relatively big pre-flop 3 bet with a baby pocket pair?
@@daithi1966could be. Nits love flopping sets and making boats to cooler people.
Bart, epic run last Thursday at HCL...Great to see you crush live poker!
Loved your choice to call off with 88, and get stacked...
The fold was correct since he said he was facing a tight player. No way a tight player would over jam with just the Q. And if he was floating with a back door it would likely have a diamond that he would check back on the end. He would have to be turning backdoor clubs only into a bluff! Most likely the guy had 55,
Fantastic Vid !! Keep up :D
Really love your teaching style. Often coaches don’t resonate with men but your verbiage made sense to me more than most!
Snap jam is usually a bluff especially when board texture changes
Vegas poker has been trash for a while. It's creeped over to LA poker. The nits and Euro's ruin everything....miss the days men used to drink, talk and play cards.
Those days wont come back.
I played professionally online, but when I played live once in a while, at least I had the decency to get drunk like a madman;)
lmao you sound like a caricature
@GWrench9 Yeah! And dogs were dogs, man’s best friend and knew their place, and women did as they were told. Wait…WHAT?
I hate people who act like you can't be serious when playing poker. You can't be a "for profit" poker player? If people just want to have fun and gamble..there are plenty of slots and other games. With technology, poker is way harder than it used to be. None of us are forced to keep playing poker though. I play poker for fun and to pass time..but I'm not an idiot who expects to lose every time I play..and I'm always trying to make money.
Move to Texas
How many people would check the nut flush on the end in that situation? I bet next to nobody. so villain probably doesn’t think you have the king of diamonds. Therefore shove.
Exactly
I thought Doug Polk said that you would bet with a diamond because you could continue vs a raise with an out to a flush and you should check non-diamonds so that you can call a bet (assuming a bet to a similar size you would have made yourself anyways)?
If your folding this hand as played i would consider quitting the game forever.
This is just a ridiculous fold.
You lose to 2 combo's of A2s and 3 combo's of 555.
If he has one of those (for about a pot sized bet) good luck to him.
Hero underrepped his hand by playing it passively and is so high in his range this is a must call.
you are wrong. there was a continuation bet no matter what. so either it is a full house or quads!
He can only have 5s here, which is 3 combos, because he bet turn half pot. It could also be an annoyed low flush bluff jam. Because Hero showed so much weakness... I can never imagine he actually wants a call.
If you're going to fold to a bet after checking there you might as well just jam first and try to get paid off by any diamond.
I can respect someone who knows that mathmatically he does the wrong decisiion but nontheless trusts his intuition and live reads
I don't know. There are just a lot of hands that the villain could be turning into a bluff. He could have a lot of pocket pairs that get here thinking they might be good, but realizing they aren't on the turn, and then turning them into a bluff on the river. I'd stick with the math. I'm never folding here.
The quick jam on the river is why I call here. As played, I'm fully expecting villain has a turned-flush or specifically 55 every single time. Maybe the posturing Hero noted before Villain bet turn could expect 55 more often than usual, but I think he out-turned us, we out-rivered him and threw the best hand.
Need more callers like this
Would need a lot of experience with this villian to consider folding this lol.
if you are folding nut flush here, it means this stake is too big for u, u should go play lower stakes
What you said could be true that the stake is too high for him. But not because he folded. If you could nodelock all the bluffs and only keep Qd in this is an insanely profitable fold. Not to mention most people won't instantly jam Qd here. It all depends on how reliable the tell is. If villain isn't someone you played against regularly then this is probably a call regardless.
So I check to give him rope..and he takes so much rope that I folded. 😅 Come on..if you play the entire hand hoping he bluffs..and then you get scared of the bluff..wtf are you even doing.
😂😂😂😂
I could totally see the villain think “well he checked to me on the turn and the river so if my QJ of diamonds is no good then so be it. I’m all in!”
@@supersmoo7377 exactly this...villain is probably thinking hero has a big ace with no diamond..so this is a bad run out for hero..so time to value bet a Q high flush.
I can't see myself folding in this situation ever. If he called the 3 bet with a baby pocket pair and now has the unlikely full house or even less likely quads (or even less less likely straight flush that called with 34 of diamonds) then he is getting my money, and I would not even give it a second thought. I'm just calling here 100% of the time.
What's the V leading the turn with though?
This is interesting because "a nit" raised on the button and called the 3-bet. Nits don't typically open with anything other than a Ax where x = Jack or higher (suited or unsuited doesn't matter), connected suited broadway cards, or medium to high pocket pairs (normally 99 or above). The fact that he just called on the flop and then bet turn when checked to limits his potential range to Ax where the X is J, Q or K (can't have K of diamonds here, so potential Q or J of diamonds), and pairs like 99-QQ with a diamond (I don't see nits 4-betting very often unless they have KK or AA). It's SUPER high probable that he has the Q of diamonds in his hand from this range, so I would flick in the call. I can't see him betting turn with a hand like 77 and then rivering a boat b/c that's not in his opening range and he would want to get to showdown cheaply with his pair + flush draw. So, he either has the flush already (QJ of diamonds), or A x w/ a single diamond. I don't think he EVER has A2 suited or quads here, and he's not continuing in this hand unless he has QJ of diamonds, Ax where x is a broadway diamond, or a hand like QQ of diamonds and now thinks you 3-bet him light and bet small on flop as a "blocker bet". He's going to check back all other pairs (with or without a diamond), so you almost HAVE to call this shove. value owning himself as Bart likes to put it :)
If he indeed has A2 suited, that's only 2 combinations out of all possible hands, but then your read on him of being a "nit" is wrong and would need to reassess this player.
None of this shit matters. If he's a NIT REG, he's almost NEVER bluffing. He also almost NEVER jams Qd. So if that's the case, it's a fold. Yes it's a "deviation", but if he's convinced he's a nit reg, he's probably right.
The way Villian played, he almost never has a fullhouse. The once in a blue moon with A2 suited. But more likely, with the raise/call 3 bet preflop its more geared towards broadway holdings including hands such as AQ/AJ. The fact that he bet turn, makes me lean towards AQ with queen of diamonds or AJ jack of diamonds. OR something like QJ diamonds for a turned flush. The jam on river is pure value from a flush.
is drop the same as rake?
Really confusing line by the caller. I've certainly played with folks that just always have it when they jam, but I would never consider checking the nut flush to those players because by that same logic, that 0s out any value you're getting from worse hands here.
I honestly sort of agree with the caller. This is absolutely a bad play but against the right opponent i would absolutely fold this. I have a friend which, with this line, never has anything worse than a full house here
Knowing your opponent is huge in these sort of instances. I think u gotta fold being the preflop aggressor with this line on this run out.
If there was a 10, I'm folding to Doyle 100% of the time!
Why is 34 diamonds never discussed?
Classic Nit Vegas rec
I only fold it against a few river-nit players I know well. And against them, I likely lead out somewhere between a block and 1/2 pot, to get paid by the flushes they'd check behind, which would be all of their flushes. So, I never am in this spot, but I really don't consider it a tough spot. As played, I never fold just based upon a rough estimate of their table image.
I also would be 100% sure of whether or not the chips that people had been putting out under the gun, constituted a straddle or a blind raise. Not knowing that, even for one hand, is a -EV mistake. Not knowing that for a whole session, is ridiculous.
What does the amount of money matter if it’s exploitable? You either call or you don’t.
to answer you question - yes, I would consider folding - - I've made big folds and some quite bad. You can only beat value, but the way the hand went down, I feel like he has bluffs
I think I call that 95% or more of the time. Especially when I checked the river, called turn and, bet 1/3 on flop.
Crazy fold. Even if you are beat look him up. You cant fold the nut flush here unless he overbets 2-3x or 10x pot and even then
maybe combo of small flop bet and checking turn, we need to call. I guess we could have donked river and safely folded to a jam.
I can't see folding, but also don't know how solid his opinion of the villain is. Has he played against the guy 50 times? 3times? Every once in a while you find yourself in these spots and in my experience it is often some weird way the opponent is thinking of the hand. Idk if that makes sense. Like, they're thinking it through but their logic train is off the track.
I have played 2/5/10(mandatory )or 5/10 less than 15 x though. Not trying to pretend that I'm an expert. 👍
No. Villian took the river check as a sign that the hero did NOT have the King of Diamonds. He has KQ with Q of diamonds.
Not sure why check on river. Seems like hero should have bet ~$300-400 on river
Pretty sure he ran it through a solver and saw it was a 90 EV blunder, since he mentioned it solvers were snap calling with 20bb ev.
Sorry, but are notably tight players at notably tight tables often calling 4x 3-bets with A2s or 55? I'm labeling that a rarity, so the odds are way in H's favor to call river.
Sick fold after checking turn and river..
Bro has AxQd and you saved him some money :)
one calls turn bet having nut flush draw, then folds river bet when nut flush is complete? WTF?!
Commerce still doesn’t allow straddles. I usually play 3/5 or 5/5 there but I’m 99.99% sure straddles aren’t allowed at the 5/10 either.
That’s ridiculous
With the small flop bet and check on turn you learned nothing he could be floating anything in his three bet call range which could be lots of pairs and suited connectors
I don't know what boat the caller gave him credit for... 5s over? I think it was a lower flush
V is a nit (reportedly) ...so there's no 3d4d in V's range... Calling is LT mathematically+EV. Leveling one's self happens... - shrug -😊
I think this is a real player dependent situation. Considering there IS one value hand that you can beat that can play this way (QJdd that hit the flush on the turn and fires again in the river thinking it’s still good), I would lean towards calling if it was a player I knew was capable of making moves or a player I didn’t know anything about. But if it’s a player that I feel is a nit that I’ve seen play enough to know would never put that kind of money in unless he effectively ‘knew’ he was good, I would (very reluctantly) fold. In most situations here barring that I would call it off though.
What boats even are there?
2 combos of A2 suited and pocket 5s. That’s literally it!
This is mindblowingly nitty who even does this
He had 3-4 Diamonds. Good fold
I actually thought about this and don't think it's a crazy thought. It just so hard cause even though the nut flush seems like a good hand I lost count at with the paired board it's not even like 10th best hand and probably half those aren't crazy plays
or quad 2s.
If I have a straight flush I'm gonna show cause it's a cool rare hand.
I'm never folding here but truthfully I think hero would lose over 50% of the time. Less sure about the 35% he actually needs. Still just way too big a deviation for me.
Gotta snap it off. Even a nittier villain won’t check back Qd after hero goes cbet-xc-x. If you think they *are* that nitty hero should just lead jam the river himself. This line can’t be consistent with folding.
This is never a bluff by a recreational. It’s either full house or nuts with log of diamond and he has it.
Seems like a good fold not vs described player type if u think he’s never bluffing it’s a the correct fold
How can you honestly not know if a game has a straddle when people are actively straddling ffs... Good lawd
Bart says check the nut flush on the river? That’s just horrendous wtf do you think he could have? You can’t think he has aces or quads given the play. This is insanity
I don't think that is why he is saying to check. The reason he is saying to check is that you'll make more by doing so. The villain has very few hands with which he can call, so betting isn't going to win you much money. However, the villain does have a lot of hands with which he can bluff. So the hero needs to either check or bet _really_ small to try and induce a bluff.
he had 3d4d
100%
Too many bluffs. If we're not going to bet the turn, we have to call this jam.
It's hard to imagine a tight player snap jamming Qd for value here. He would at least stop and think about it.
On the turn here all I put him on is diamonds or quads, when I hit the flush on the river I bet 405 and evaluate. Based on his reaction to that bet u decide if you’re calling a jam… which I’m not unless I have a read bc I’m fcked here
Villain is calling a 3-bet with 22?
Somebody call the nitbulance. Player down. 😂
A2 spades
A2 hearts
Pocket 5s
I highly doubt a “competent” player is open cold-calling a 3 bet with A2 out of position.
Win or lose - idk how you fold there
Villain was on button. Not out of position
Folded!!? What
Sometimes you just know... I wasn't sitting at that game. That's Poker...
Snap call🎉
Reads supersede theory.
He should retire lol
this hand was versus me actually, really cool to be in the video. I actually had KQcc for a bluff to get you off of any broadway pair containing a diamond. I would not expect him to fold KK with a diamond but i guess it worked lol
liessss but yeah this is very likely what went down
Ahoy the ultra weird 'i was there' types play poker too.
That’s awesome what are the odds
" if villian was an an asian / blogger type , iinstant call"
Putting too much emphasis on villians appearance.
bart? isnt it? i heard a voice what sounded like u on a youtube video about a stolen dog what was killed- it turned out to be u- i have sympathy- how cruel how sad- im sorry u lost your dog- i had a cat what was poisoned> u just killed my best friend for the last ten years- how cruel how sad