The Story of Competitive Sonic the Fighters (Documentary)

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  • Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
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    In 1996, Sega's legendary AM2 studio released what may be the most disliked game in their catalog: Sonic the Fighters. Often derided by both Sonic and fighting game fans, this game has built its own community on the outskirts of the FGC. This is that community's story.
    This video started as a freelance article pitch years ago, but I finally was able to get it together this year thanks to the support I was able to find with my Melee videos. I hope those who have come to my channel for Melee will be open to learning about another game where funny cartoon characters punch each other.
    Thanks to ‪@shadetail‬ , @Cronnicossy, ‪@SonicArena‬ , ‪@mysticnoodle‬ , ‪@MKMaster250‬ and KOS for footage featured in this video as well as for your input putting this together, also of course thanks to Matt Beach, Raxx8, Gizaru, and so many more people omg. Also thanks to ‪@GuileWinQuote‬ for offering FGC wisdom to this stinky Smash player, KOS for a bunch of stuff, Justin and Raine for help with arcade machine footage, and Resprit, Kadence and Nona for revision notes.
    song list: pastebin.com/TTThm7TR
    Community discord: / discord
    Additional Reading:
    STF Netplay Tutorial: • Sonic the Fighters RPC...
    STF is Competitive and Here's Why: • Sonic the Fighters is ...
    STF is Cool Actually: • Sonic the Fighters is ...
    DCLX23 vs. ULLL_TOO_STRONG: • PS3 Sonic The Fighters...
    Coney makes a tier list: • Coney Makes a Tier Lis...
    STF on Xbox Marketplace: marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Pr...
    Chapters:
    0:00:00 Intro
    0:01:57 Fighters, Vipers, and Hedgehogs
    0:07:49 Gems Collection
    0:10:25 StF 101
    0:15:21 Giza's Scene
    0:17:31 The Next Generation
    0:24:30 Sonic the Tier List
    0:28:27 Tournament Zone (XB360)
    0:36:05 The PS3 Scene
    0:44:07 The Trukuu Saga
    0:50:53 Rebirth
    0:53:27 Beach Blast
    1:11:12 Who is Mystic Noodle?
    1:22:19 Canyon Splash Bash
    1:27:05 Sunset Showdown
    1:45:30 Trukuu Tuu: Electric Bugaluu
    1:48:40 Courage/Knowledge of Self
    2:19:39 Thanks!!!!!!
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  • @wusstunes
    @wusstunes  6 місяців тому +251

    Thank you for your support on this video! Reminder that if you want to support me, your likes and comments go a long way, but also I take donations on ko-fi, where you can also get access to some bonus content and early video releases and all that jazz. Thanks!
    ko-fi.com/wusstunes
    ALSO if you want to know why I changed the thumbnail it was to spite you, specifically!

    • @lunep6
      @lunep6 6 місяців тому

      😅😅😅😅😅😅

    • @lunep6
      @lunep6 6 місяців тому

      😅😅😅😅😅i😅i😅

    • @Groddon
      @Groddon 5 місяців тому

      Amazing documentary

  • @danieloloan8525
    @danieloloan8525 6 місяців тому +193

    Before the video: "Why are some people so obsessed with Bark the Polar Bear?"
    After the video: "I get it now..."

  • @Dee_JayDJ
    @Dee_JayDJ 6 місяців тому +262

    "He remembered what his PS3 ancestors taught him, input a safe land and mash punch"
    Great video

  • @SonicArena
    @SonicArena 6 місяців тому +966

    Where do I even begin? This is the video that the Sonic the Fighters community deserves, and I just want to thank you for all the extra time and effort you put into shining a light on the game and everyone who contributed to the scene! When I first began hosting tournaments, I never thought we’d make it as far as we have. Over the years, we’ve formed a close bond as a community and I truly believe that Sonic the Fighters has a bright future as a competitive game! Fantastic video. - Polymath

    • @derekhamilton-ve6md
      @derekhamilton-ve6md 6 місяців тому +11

      ima fight you one day.

    • @XaidynPinckney
      @XaidynPinckney 6 місяців тому +5

      Correct

    • @GabrielHodge
      @GabrielHodge 6 місяців тому +4

      Thanks for keeping the scene alive all these years poly -Gabriel (the guy who made that bean guide)

    • @mjul7003
      @mjul7003 6 місяців тому +1

      You deserve a video?

    • @ghostoflazlo
      @ghostoflazlo 6 місяців тому +1

      The sonic community already got chris-chan. Don't be greedy now

  • @GuileWinQuote
    @GuileWinQuote 6 місяців тому +707

    The wait was worth it! Thanks for having me and thanks for putting so much work into this. Much of what I learned about the community through this would probably be lost to time without resources like this. Great stuff!!

    • @BrotherNeroFGC
      @BrotherNeroFGC 6 місяців тому +16

      i immediately knew you were part of this as soon as i saw the title. Good stuff guys

    • @GeebusCrust
      @GeebusCrust 5 місяців тому +2

      I like that he credited you as "fighting game appreciator."
      Well researched video

  • @myboy_
    @myboy_ 5 місяців тому +97

    Love the aesthetic of this game, the bright colors, reduced shading, simple models. Everyone just looks so charming, especially tails and amy

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  5 місяців тому +33

      i think its probably to date the best 3d model of tails

    • @danielsurvivor1372
      @danielsurvivor1372 4 місяці тому +6

      ​@@wusstunes Keep spitting yo fax

    • @heliumpai7627
      @heliumpai7627 4 місяці тому +6

      ​@@wusstunesthought that said you would date that 3d model of tails 😭

  • @theunchosendude5446
    @theunchosendude5446 5 місяців тому +32

    KOS's "that matchup sucked" comment after winning the entire tournament was hilarious

  • @christopherwilliams9418
    @christopherwilliams9418 6 місяців тому +125

    Wish they'd put this on Steam with mod support... I'd love for it to be more accessible with potential for new characters and stuff.

    • @rinnnnnnnnnnrin
      @rinnnnnnnnnnrin 4 місяці тому +15

      The fact this game is repeatedly forgotten by sega annoys me to no end... here's to hoping this is one of the games they're working on either a remake or sequel right now since they're working on bringing back alot of classic ips of theirs

    • @jrhamari
      @jrhamari 29 днів тому +2

      ​@@rinnnnnnnnnnrinI would even take just a port of the 2012 remaster at this point. The closest we have is the Xbox 360 version on Xbox One and tecnicly the version included in Lost Judgement and Like A Dragon Gaiden.

    • @sergiomendoza251
      @sergiomendoza251 2 дні тому

      The mugen community make a 2d Sonic the fighters game called Sonic the fightera blitz.

  • @Aflay1
    @Aflay1 6 місяців тому +40

    Many fighting games have a video showcasing a story about some legendary low tier hero who flips everything everyone thought they knew about the game.
    The game, Sonic the Fighters, itself, is it's own low-tier hero. A spectacle of a game with so many secrets and some of the most kindhearted badasses a community can ask for. Especially a Sonic community.

  • @Takato
    @Takato 6 місяців тому +69

    The whole "critics hated the game" debacle is why I hate when journalists that don't know jack about fighting games review fighting games. It's like asking someone that doesn't know and it's not interested in driving/racing to review a racing simulation game, of course they're not going to like the game because they're not understanding 10% of the mechanics behind it, plus STF has one-button combos which enables button mashers to just carpal tunnel their way through arcade mode and then think it's the game's fault. Same reason why MK receives a ton of outstanding reviews, because there's lots of eye-candy for non-fighting game players there, thus they forget to review the game in a more technical way.
    Anyways, really great video, it itched me to try and convince people to play this game again over here lol

    • @agentblackbird9435
      @agentblackbird9435 4 місяці тому

      MK?

    • @rinnnnnnnnnnrin
      @rinnnnnnnnnnrin 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@@agentblackbird9435 literally what other fighting game has the initials mk?

    • @agentblackbird9435
      @agentblackbird9435 4 місяці тому +1

      @@rinnnnnnnnnnrin
      Oh my god I'm so fucking stupid

    • @gamerkingmayathe064th5
      @gamerkingmayathe064th5 4 місяці тому +2

      I've kinda just stopped giving a shit about reviews almost entirely when I realized that a lot of my favourite games (various Mega Man games, NEO TWEWY and the fighting game genre as a whole) are things that more casual players (so most of the reviewers I've seen) can't for the life of them seem to be able to actually review the games and not spread misinformation on the depth of those games due to just not knowing shit about them. Especially since I'm more into the technical side of said games and hearing nobody but like maybe one or two people actually talking about the technical side and saying the games aren't as mechanically deep as they actually are just angers me

    • @S0meb0dy728
      @S0meb0dy728 2 місяці тому

      @@rinnnnnnnnnnrinMario Kart

  • @FirePuff12
    @FirePuff12 6 місяців тому +256

    I played Sonic the Fighters as part of Sonic Gems Collection, the game I got with my Gamecube!
    I had no idea there was a scene, you can only imagine the excitement I felt when I saw that you’re uploading one of your masterclass videos on it.

    • @pjdonovan5788
      @pjdonovan5788 6 місяців тому +6

      🔥 puff!

    • @umjammerrox
      @umjammerrox 6 місяців тому +9

      this guy invented the nair-rest, ykno

  • @yankees2864
    @yankees2864 6 місяців тому +32

    This is going to be the Sonic Fighters version of the Smash Documentary for Melee, can see a lot of people getting interested in the scene after this

  • @emmbeesea
    @emmbeesea 6 місяців тому +84

    I mean hey, just like Melee, Sonic the Fighters managed to find a competitive scene against the odds. This video tying in to Melee not just once was a cherry on top. There is so much more Melee/Sonic the Fighters left to play and both still remain far from solved games. This was a behemoth of a project, and I'm glad I watched it!

    • @ZachCG
      @ZachCG 6 місяців тому +5

      you know it's a good video when you bump into emmbeesea in the comments

    • @drifter402
      @drifter402 6 місяців тому +1

      Well it's Sonic so it's a different beast. I wouldn't be surprised if people are playing Sonic Drink competetive

  • @t_piig
    @t_piig 6 місяців тому +22

    At 52:00 I was the commentator for the PS3 games! It's really cool seeing this resurface lol I was teddy bears 111

  • @DerekSquirreltail
    @DerekSquirreltail 6 місяців тому +85

    Me and some friends love messing around with random fighting games like this, and about 5 or 6 years ago we dedicated a night to Sonic the Fighters. We didn't know anything about the competitive community, so it basically just felt like a 6 hour session of us going into uncharted waters of undiscovered tech and weird mechanics, and it's one of my best memories of playing competitive fighters. Just a nonstop night of "WAIT that's how that works??" and "YOU CAN DO THAT? That's so sick!"
    I really love that this video exists. After that night with friends, I found myself as a believer in this games potential, but never really dug into it beyond that. Which is my bad. But it's amazing to see it gets the highlight it deserves with more info and history than I would've ever expected.

  • @bigbangbot-SuperSqank
    @bigbangbot-SuperSqank 6 місяців тому +96

    Sonic The Fighters is both one of the first Sonic games and one of the first fighting games I ever played. It is a game I have a lot of nostalgia for and I always enjoyed it. Seeing a project like this is extremely cool, I have always had a slight interest in the competitive side of the game and I never thought it would get coverage to this degree. This is awesome to see.

  • @Cronnicossy
    @Cronnicossy 6 місяців тому +42

    Glad to help! Thanks for having me, fantastic video.

    • @ewanphilip5604
      @ewanphilip5604 6 місяців тому +4

      Thank you for kickstarting a whole online community of StF fans!

  • @TheEssentialHughJazz
    @TheEssentialHughJazz 6 місяців тому +120

    Hi wuss! As a fellow "culturally Sonic" kid I really appreciate your style and I follow every video as they come out. This documentary is fantastic and you should pride yourself on all the hard work you clearly put in researching, interviewing, writing, and editing. It's astonishing how every minute of this movie-length work feels purposeful and pondered over. I really really hope this video catches the algorithm or takes off on word of mouth or whatever needs to happen for you to be properly rewarded for crafting it. All the best.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  6 місяців тому +26

      Culturally Sonic is such a wild but valid phrase omg

  • @SilentVinyl
    @SilentVinyl 5 місяців тому +8

    It is amazing to see that even older games can get a competitive scene when passionate players come together

  • @geo-fry6372
    @geo-fry6372 6 місяців тому +152

    I’ve never understood why there is so much dislike for this game, I always thought it looked really cool. I’ve always been curious on how competitive this game could get, and now I feel vindicated

    • @borby4584
      @borby4584 6 місяців тому +59

      I think, like Sonic R, it was caught during the era when Sonic couldn't do ANYTHING without drawing mockery. Couldn't pick up a sword without people acting like it was the second coming of 06. And when there wasn't content to mock, they turned their heads to the past, and laughed at games they did not understand

    • @kylerook
      @kylerook 6 місяців тому +9

      @@borby4584 a good chunk of sonic games where good or above average, but tons of the fans
      just hated change or different.

    • @borby4584
      @borby4584 6 місяців тому +7

      @@kylerook Right. Like literally only 06, Secret Rings, Shadow, and that one RPG could truly be called "Bad", and even then it's not equal. I'd sooner play Shadow over the RPG or 06, and I mainly blame Secret Rings for 06 being that bad

    • @kylerook
      @kylerook 6 місяців тому +4

      @borby4584 even then save for 06 they where all serviceable and fun.
      Like if I where to play any of those games I would have a grand time.

    • @borby4584
      @borby4584 6 місяців тому +8

      @@kylerook Secret Rings gets better, and Shadow has good moments too, but Chronicles is a bit *too* flawed IMO, especially compared to the other RPGs on the DS (or Elite Beat Agents)

  • @djspflytnt
    @djspflytnt 6 місяців тому +18

    the DK connection reveal to link your videos was so HYPE

  • @BlazeHedgehog
    @BlazeHedgehog 6 місяців тому +58

    Justice for Sonic the Fighters, now and forever

  • @Game_Hero
    @Game_Hero 5 місяців тому +23

    How did you manag to make a two hours long video about competitive fighting games captivating from minute to minute like that? Especially loved how characters were introduced throughout the videos with their traits, strengths and weaknesses, makes it so much easier to follow a game you're not that familiar with to help visualize the dynamics between the characters. Good job!

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  5 місяців тому +10

      very deliberately lmao this video took a long time to make and i was basically learning about the game as i made it so i tried my best to show my work !

    • @sergiomendoza251
      @sergiomendoza251 2 дні тому

      And is a obsecure game even

  • @imogenmcgough9689
    @imogenmcgough9689 6 місяців тому +34

    I always wrote this off as a virtua fighter clone but 2 hour documentary later and this is hype as hell.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  6 місяців тому +25

      One good Guile quote I couldn't get into this video is...even if it's a watered down virtua fighter how is that a bad thing? It's a more approachable version of one of the most technical and difficult to learn fighting games.

    • @THENAMEISQUICKMAN
      @THENAMEISQUICKMAN 6 місяців тому +3

      @@wusstunes As someone who really liked Virtua Fighter when I first played it back like a decade ago I never really thought "You know what Virtua Fighter needs? Less depth and technical aspects". People who played Virtua Fighter would generally just be happy playing Virtua Fighter, and this seemed like a "beginner's game". Now that a wealth of information has come out about it over the internet years, I can see why people would enjoy it even if they already play fighting games.

  • @CrowFGC
    @CrowFGC 6 місяців тому +80

    I’M SO HYPED i wanna join the community and learn the game!

    • @Zero254
      @Zero254 6 місяців тому +6

      I gotta dig out my ps3 and start playing again

  • @Nachotaco101
    @Nachotaco101 6 місяців тому +5

    Knuckles: This is a boxing ring, not a race track! Now put em up!

  • @sockrabbtt
    @sockrabbtt 5 місяців тому +7

    we had one of these for many years in our local chuck e cheese. never knew it was rare. always liked the art style, and thought the little gun guy was cool and unique for a sonic game.

  • @RESPRiT
    @RESPRiT 6 місяців тому +34

    Incredible work on this documentary, Wuss - it is almost certainly your best project so far. It is truly remarkable how much depth has been packed into a game with an audience to the tune of dozens, thank you for sharing and documenting this community!

  • @terpsidance.
    @terpsidance. 5 місяців тому +3

    I frickin love how every single aspect of Sonic, every game, every comic, every show, every aspect of this fandom has its own collection of dedicated fans who make it so much more than just a game or a comic or a show.

  • @christomanci
    @christomanci 6 місяців тому +6

    I loved this video as a melee head. Cool to see how a scene smaller than ours keep a game alive. Very fun 2 hours

  • @AlexanderRobichaud
    @AlexanderRobichaud 6 місяців тому +21

    I've spent most of today (christmas) by myself in a mental health spiral. This video has really lifted my spirits and is a really beautiful and brilliant project. I discovered your channel from a niche melee video, and I am really happy that you are now finding the success you deserve. You are a very brilliant creator and you have touched a lot people

  • @sakarain
    @sakarain 6 місяців тому +9

    Goddamn this is a good documentary. I’m not finished yet but there’s a lot of good moments so far. It’s really cool seeing the start of online tournaments and it’s interesting how the absence of crossplay can lead to different metas.

  • @KingExtrra
    @KingExtrra 6 місяців тому +9

    This was such a great ride! I was one of the rare few that got to play Sonic the Fighters as a kid on an arcade cabinet and seeing so many people sharing that live for this game is amazing!

  • @cannonballking7
    @cannonballking7 6 місяців тому +56

    A super interesting and well laid out timeline to this small but dedicated community! Keep up the amazing work, and have a lovely day.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  6 місяців тому +6

      Thank you! You too!

  • @Slick_Tails
    @Slick_Tails 6 місяців тому +9

    What can I say, except, this was amazing. You clearly put in a whole lot of effort, and despite me knowing basically nothing about this game I was hooked all the way through. I especially love how each character has their little spotlight through different players and commentary, and I was able to understand basic principles of the game thanks to your explanations. I'm also intrigued by the fact the game seems really well balanced, as evidenced by low tiers Amy and Bark putting in strong showings. That's pretty crazy considering the game's legacy as a knock-off "kiddie" fighting game.
    I think videos like this are a reminder that so long as you have a passionate community, however small, a fanbase is never truly "dead". Nowadays people glance over player counts and make assumptions, but I think if you love a game and can find other people to play against, that's all that matters. Maybe there could be a follow up video in the future if events continue?
    On a similar note, I'm heavily invested in the game Keyforge, a card game with physical decks that can also be uploaded to a fan site and played online. Despite its reputation as a "dead" game, the current NKFL (Nordic Keyforge League) has over 200 players competing, plus a whole bunch of other online tournaments, the recent Worlds event and store championships building up starting in March alongside the release of the next set, Grim Reminders. (Of which I am thoroughly hyped.)
    Yes, other card games have way more players: Magic, Hearthstone, Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Flesh and Blood, Marvel Snap, Legends of Runeterra and even the recent Lorcana making some waves. But those player counts don't mean anything next to the fact that Keyforge is the most fun I've ever had with a card game and continues to both excite and surprise me. And that's what gaming is all about. :)

  • @Ban-zx9se
    @Ban-zx9se 6 місяців тому +14

    My mind was blown when i saw cronnicossy. Somehow i didnt know she was a big figure in STF. Small world :P

    • @sergiomendoza251
      @sergiomendoza251 2 дні тому

      Wait,she!? I was thinking then was a guy with a girl vtuber model like many vtubers in latam but now i think is a trans girl because her voice like Mocha (TransCanadaLimited) and her wife Jackie.

    • @Ban-zx9se
      @Ban-zx9se День тому

      Yeah no she goes by she/her

  • @mitch_universe4058
    @mitch_universe4058 6 місяців тому +7

    I would absolutely love to see a fan-made patch of this game to balance some things and possibly make Metal Sonic and Eggman tournament legal, sort of like a Sonic Riders DX except for Sonic the Fighters

  • @realbobsaget
    @realbobsaget 6 місяців тому +23

    wow this documentary is a masterpiece, thank you. I've loved this game since I was a kid and often think about how underappreciated it is, truly a gem. My favorite part was definitely the mystic noodle segment, his meta developments and the TAS videos were mind blowing

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  6 місяців тому +5

      Do check out his TAS videos. They're actually really funny!

    • @sergiomendoza251
      @sergiomendoza251 2 дні тому

      Agreed

  • @JohnnyCenter25
    @JohnnyCenter25 6 місяців тому +22

    I clicked on this video just to have something to calm me down and fall asleep to. It's nothing personal, I just like having something in the background and will often click on longer videos.
    However, this was way more interesting than I anticipated. How this silly little game I played with friends when I was younger actually had a competitive scene unlike anything else was just so deeply intriguing that I felt myself glued to the screen. Then we get to Sunset Showdown and hearing the story about Mystic I was so invested in his story. Having 10 back to back matches that all were close was like something from a movie. The gameplay itself just felt unreal. I felt more awake than ever and it's 6 AM as of writing this comment. After all of that, I clicked on the timeline and saw another 30 minutes left.
    I thought a 2 and a half hour long video about a tiny fighting game's competitive scene was stretching it, but I was thoroughly entertained all the way. Might be the best documentary online that I've ever seen. Great work!

  • @umjammerrox
    @umjammerrox 6 місяців тому +7

    really excited for the future of StF, it's unreal how precise mysticnoodles and k.o.s. are, and the meta development has been so sick to see

  • @AntGSuxatYoutube
    @AntGSuxatYoutube 6 місяців тому +9

    I remember there being a cabinet for this game at an arcade in vegas, when i was younger my brother and i used to play the fuck out of it! The game has such a charming aesthetic to it, and discovering that theres a healthy competitive scene popping up for the game has me interested in checking the game out again.

  • @robnew272
    @robnew272 4 місяці тому

    I hadn't heard about this community before this, but I'm excited to check out the next tournament. Excellent work!

  • @ThatGuy4878
    @ThatGuy4878 6 місяців тому +4

    Fantastic video. Always love it when dedicated and passionate people try to spotlight their community and what makes them special.

  • @lessieqwq
    @lessieqwq 2 місяці тому

    still got like a quarter of the video to go but I've checked like 5 times that I've saved it to my good sonic vids playlist lolllll I absolutely love how much detail and care went into this video, awesome stuff!

  • @ethanreynolds4942
    @ethanreynolds4942 6 місяців тому +1

    Oh man, this was so good I have to watch it again. You have really gotten incredibly good at making these incredible niche coverage videos.

  • @arin4395
    @arin4395 6 місяців тому +5

    i've never played but this documentary is incredibly engaging . you've done yet another awesome job !! thank you so much to ya n everyone involved for sharing

  • @ryuakumaxx8
    @ryuakumaxx8 6 місяців тому +3

    Big Thanks again for including me bro, this vid is one giant trip down memory lane and it was really cool hearing everyone else's story on how they got into this fun little game.

  • @ultimatekd
    @ultimatekd 6 місяців тому +2

    Thank you so much for making this video. It was very clearly a labor of love and I hope it helps give Sonic the Fighters more exposure. You rock!!!

  • @cozydaybit
    @cozydaybit 6 місяців тому +6

    when i saw this was over 2 hours long I did not expect this level of editing, production, and storytelling.. kudos very excellent job :]

  • @Segastar1
    @Segastar1 День тому +2

    The CEO tournament series just had a STF bracket that had 48 people!
    Thank you to my friend who shared this video to me. Might give the game a try once again

  • @al3ph35
    @al3ph35 6 місяців тому +3

    An engaging 2 hour doc on an incredibly small but dedicated scene is always a treat. It's not often that you get to see something like this. I hope the game gets more players and that local events start popping up, this game is so fun to watch. Great storytelling chief, as well as great interviews and editing. Wusstunes don't miss.

  • @djs9997
    @djs9997 6 місяців тому +1

    Super well put together, thank you for making this :- ) loved seeing this

  • @CanterlotCrusader
    @CanterlotCrusader 6 місяців тому +1

    Man, you're such an amazing creator man, it's criminal that you don't have more eyes on you. This is like, such a treat, to find out about an entire scene I had ZERO idea even existed.

  • @vis4041
    @vis4041 6 місяців тому +5

    Fantastic job. This game really needed a huge feature length video like this documenting its appeal, rise, and history in depth. A deeper look at this games history will surely breathe new life into its relatively small and obscure scene. Truly an undertaking Sonic the Fighters deserves. Really tremendous work.

  • @betarelics1979
    @betarelics1979 6 місяців тому +4

    Absolutely amazing video! You've definitely done a good job with it because now I'm tempted to give competitive Sonic the Fighters a try lol

  • @Ruhhtra
    @Ruhhtra 6 місяців тому +6

    This game was my childhood, but in a casual view and as a Sonic fan. Now I want to replay this as a fighting game enthusiast (and still a Sonic fan). You have no idea how much this documentary has inspired me! Amazing work and input from everybody in the video!

  • @percher4824
    @percher4824 5 місяців тому +2

    I can't believe you made me root for this Noodle just to introduce a Knowledge and then telling me that they're duking it out and that Knowledge won. I don't think I've ever smiled as much watching a fighting game match as I did when two Barks were bopping each other over the head. Rooting for both sides of the match in equal amounts is such a weird feeling.

  • @foojo9
    @foojo9 6 місяців тому +2

    This video is incredibly detailed and incredible, thank you for this amazing video on Sonic the Fighters, definitely one of my favourite games that I had on the PS3.

  • @XenoWarlock
    @XenoWarlock 5 місяців тому +2

    Really fun watch, love to see competitive scenes for old underappreciated fighting games.
    If I was to start playing online, I'd probably play Amy, she looks hilarious with the item drops.

  • @amelyred
    @amelyred 4 місяці тому

    Such a great video! I was always so obsessed with the visuals of Sonic Fighters, but I never got to actually play it. This video reminded me of game’s existence and learning about the competitive scene was really entertaining, thank you!

  • @Treppy_Gecky
    @Treppy_Gecky 6 місяців тому +5

    This is an incredible video dude. Ever since I played on the Gems collection as a kid I always wondered if there was a community around this game. Seeing people pull off insane combos is just so entertaining! And I think that’s the biggest appeal of Fighters: that it’s cartoony and fast. It just makes it so much fun to spectate or play!

  • @Kivarise
    @Kivarise 6 місяців тому

    Banger video! Very cool to learn about the scene for this game and how its grown. Hope it continues to do so cuz this is a very fun game to watch.

  • @Estus5807
    @Estus5807 6 місяців тому +4

    Insane work on the retrospective, nice additions with interviews and stuff, and the OST used is also amazing. Great job !! 😔 Just wish you get a million views

  • @ghostly7434
    @ghostly7434 6 місяців тому +3

    i feel like the community of this game and the server where the mobius cup is hosted is really friendly and dare i say one of the few instances where someone who isnt into fighting games, got into sonic the fighters, mystic noodles, polymath, the whole community was really wholesome while i was there and i couldnt be more grateful to have one of my childhood games have such a loving and strong community who push the game to its limits

  • @cookiemint8439
    @cookiemint8439 6 місяців тому

    Man, this is the greatest video I’ve seen all year
    It’s amazing to see a game like this have such a passionate community
    Good job and keep up the hard work!

  • @WarpWhistleShow
    @WarpWhistleShow 6 місяців тому +3

    Dang what a great video! I feel the "sitting in a lobby waiting for anyone to show up" story, as an enthusiast for Windjammers it was a lot of my formative years. I really need to give StF the time of day! Games been an absolute blast every time I've had a chance to play it, and I really wanna see it more.

  • @Concavewaters
    @Concavewaters 5 місяців тому

    Yoo. This is sick. Love the effort that went into this. That final battle was hype as hell the second the sonic OVA theme came in. Fantasatic work, yall involved.

  • @OutOfTouch_YT
    @OutOfTouch_YT 6 місяців тому +5

    My only theory before i watch the whole video on why it didn't take off and a kid that lived in the 90s and SEGA consoles:
    its cause American generally didn't understand fighting games and to this day, lots of communities are very segregated by people that have polarizing opinions that gatekeep and discourage very normal people away from playing it. Sonic The Fighters has multiple archetypes and plenty of rock, paper, scissors play that you'd even find in Smash or Street Fighter. Even worse for being a Sonic game and having a weird reputation of some bad games by people from the early 2000s who are big Mario fans disregard everything Sonic or at least the North America marketed was, and even weirder was all this was happening simultaneously while people demanded console experiences be 30+ hrs of content instead of short casual bursts that SEGA liked making. They were like the TikTok of video games in a way and were forced to adapt to a new market of stay at home farmers.
    Moving on to Virtua Fighter, its also an unorthodox game where you have a short timer like 30 seconds and die really quickly thanks to counter-hit mechanic combos that can POTENTIALLY end lives in one string (go look this up, I'm not joking lmfao) and ring-outs. The only game's particular genre of 3D 3 button fighting it has more in common is something like platform fighters where neutral game is very important and of course early Soul Caliber/Fighting Vipers/Dragon Ball Z Budakai/Dead or Alive. At least this would be more true with Virtua Fighter 1 to 3TB... (VF3TB I heard was barely making some kind of comeback in Japan.) Just like Smash Bros, Sonic The Fighters has random mechanics like "catch up" or rage.
    So it's not very shocking to me that Sonic The Fighters took forever to find its audience. Its a fun game, but in a strange way, it was a game too ahead of its time and had too many scarecrows surrounding this game.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  6 місяців тому +2

      The platform fighter comparisons have really been coming in! I agree really. They're both titles where combos are more a product of getting multiple reads in sequence rather than a reward for getting the correct opening, so the counter hit becomes this very powerful and sometimes oppressive mechanic.

  • @sakarain
    @sakarain 6 місяців тому +2

    After finally finishing this, i gotta say this is a fantastic video for gaining interest in the game. So many games out there deserve a video like this and i'm happy StF has one.
    It'd be a stretch to say I want to play this game competitively, but my urge to mess around with it casually was definitely bolstered. I hope the scene has gets even more players!

  • @ugh_lily
    @ugh_lily 6 місяців тому +2

    just a great video !!! watched it over a few days but there was never a dull moment. thanks for making this niche little gem :>

  • @FlameIsLucky
    @FlameIsLucky 6 місяців тому +2

    this is such a well thought out, inspiring, and beautiful documentary

  • @henrybitencourt
    @henrybitencourt 4 місяці тому +5

    not to be political but this game's competitive scene out lasted the confederacy which is a W in my book

  • @fortidogi8620
    @fortidogi8620 6 місяців тому +7

    Havent finished the video yet, but I already really love the approach of researching three eras of the game's lifespan, since docs like this sometimes make the assumption that if it was unpopular, surely nobody's touched it til now.

  • @BMB
    @BMB 5 місяців тому +4

    this video is a masterpiece. def gonna look into the competitive scene more, this game looks sick

  • @iamdonifightbengaltigers
    @iamdonifightbengaltigers 6 місяців тому +4

    awesome video! i love sonic AND small fighting game communities, glad this was recommended to me :)) i used to love this game as a kid

  • @kalcony
    @kalcony 6 місяців тому +3

    This is sick. I hope you keep doing whatever you feel like (and that it supports you).

  • @TruKuu
    @TruKuu 6 місяців тому +1

    Wow! This video is awesome! It was great getting context behind websites and videos I'd seen years prior. You did a great job highlighting the players' journeys and efforts, and your telling of the tournaments themselves had me on the edge of my seat. Thanks for putting this together and showing the world why StF is the shiznit!

  • @tkchris5361
    @tkchris5361 6 місяців тому

    Amazing video btw! I remember loving this game as a kid and playing almost daily back on Sonic Gems Collection back on the PS2. Really amazing to see that a community has formed around this game, really shows the love and thought that was put into this fun fighting game.

  • @dragocrafterr8286
    @dragocrafterr8286 6 місяців тому +4

    dies of banger, unreasonable amount of editing effort

  • @mr._otis9840
    @mr._otis9840 6 місяців тому

    Wusstunes, you've done a great job laying out all the important details. I was immersed the whole video.

  • @jaredtherock5692
    @jaredtherock5692 6 місяців тому +1

    Dude the Rebirth Subscribe footage is so amazing I had to as I'm watching this amazing video. Didn't know that many people took it so seriously, and I remember fighting Boba Jango Fett in online matches and raging lol. Thanks for making the video

  • @aidandoesmusic
    @aidandoesmusic 6 місяців тому

    this is awesome as hell! great video. I’d love to hear more about smaller communities like this from you, alongside what you already talk about. :)

  • @newmaster95
    @newmaster95 5 місяців тому

    Wonderful video on a super fun game with a community I didn't know anything about!

  • @ilybrown
    @ilybrown 6 місяців тому +2

    I LOVE WATCHING TWO HOUR VIDEOS ABOUT GAMES I DIDNT EVEN KNOW HAD A COMPETITIVE SCENE!!!

  • @Adriancitos
    @Adriancitos 6 місяців тому +1

    really cool video,i've always been in love with this game's graphics but i never really paid attention to the game itself. it's nice to see it's competitive history and your videos are always incredibly fun to watch. really made me want to try the game for a bit, even if i suck at fighting games

  • @LRXC1
    @LRXC1 6 місяців тому

    Watched the whole thing front to back, I loved loved loved this video. Great work.

  • @RileyScott
    @RileyScott 6 місяців тому +7

    Phenomenal video that has me downloading the game as we speak

  • @drewguardo
    @drewguardo 6 місяців тому +1

    Jesus christ it's been 2h!!! Gj man this was an entertaining watch about a game I didn't even know existed.

  • @kylerook
    @kylerook 6 місяців тому

    WILD STORY TELL MORE! XD
    wonderful video! the music timing was perfect.

  • @RipperRoo92
    @RipperRoo92 6 місяців тому +2

    This is an amazing documentary, Thank you 👏🏿 🫡

  • @Spoops
    @Spoops 6 місяців тому +7

    It all comes back to Donkey Kong hahaha

  • @AcroxShadow
    @AcroxShadow 5 місяців тому

    Excellent video. Glad to see such passion for a niche game like this.

  • @Animefan8050
    @Animefan8050 6 місяців тому

    Superb edits! Also, I loved the timing with the music in the Bark section at about 28:30. Have subscribed.

  • @ultimateknux2402
    @ultimateknux2402 6 місяців тому +1

    This was such an exciting video to watch, props to all the work that went into it!
    Sonic The Fighters has always been a fascinating game for me and I only recently learned of competitive STF through SonicArena on a Twitter post and it's really opened my eyes to how I look at the game. I'm honestly really happy this underrated, goofy, and cartoony 90's fighting game has built up a community now more than it's ever had before and I'm glad this video serves as documentation for the growth of the games competitive community. I can't wait to see the future of this game!

  • @slobuckets
    @slobuckets 6 місяців тому +1

    Love this video. Really cool to see you hit on a niche fighting game. I wish there was a whole series of these type of videos to binge.

    • @wusstunes
      @wusstunes  6 місяців тому +1

      Biggest inspiration here is akshon eSports videos on grassroots scenes, as well as pandamonium's documentaries on old Sega Saturn games

  • @rakaikt
    @rakaikt 6 місяців тому +2

    This was such a good watch! Love this form of content. I always saw gameplay but never knew of the competitive potential for a game I saw on gems collections ages ago. Huge sonic fan and would love to get into this game!

  • @bluecheese7447
    @bluecheese7447 5 місяців тому +1

    Great video! I watched this during Winter Break

  • @DivineZenkai
    @DivineZenkai 5 місяців тому +3

    I used to play this game a lot back in highschool and really only played with a couple of friends that ended up not liking it, I kinda wanna learn it now knowing there's a whole community

  • @iranoutofideasforausernam1703
    @iranoutofideasforausernam1703 5 місяців тому +2

    As a Sonic fan who grew up with Sonic Mega Collection and Sonic Gems Collection, I used to play StF with my neighbours, then my sisters when they were old enough. I never knew there was so much depth to the game. Thanks for this video, it means a lot to me as some random nerd who always loved the game, but always stunk at traditional fighting games!

    • @uboa8060
      @uboa8060 2 місяці тому +1

      Your user name killed me

  • @Megaman12Protoman14
    @Megaman12Protoman14 6 місяців тому +1

    I stumbled upon your DK video a while back thanks to the algorithm and once more it brough me back for another masterpiece.
    I've always loved STF since I first got my hands on it via PSN (no gems collection for me growing up). I didn't think much of it besides being a quirky Sonic fighting game until I got hit with some wild moves by the cpu in arcade. I really wanted to learn how to do those, but I never figured most of them out. I fully understoon the depth the game was hiding when I joined a random lobby and this one Bean player just dominated. I'll never forget the message he sent me before I got boddied: "Do you like ducks?"
    Also I'd be remiss if I didn't touch on how much of a banger the game's OST is. Most underrated 3D Sonic OST without question.