I think live tribals are fine as long as the audience can actually hear people and follow what's going on. Several minutes of unintelligible whispering is not fun to watch, but real-time strategy adaptation is!
There’s part of me that’s always wanted someone after 10 minutes of live tribal to yell “you know what? I’m voting individually” and just take their seat. I know there’s a solid chance it would lead to them getting voted out, but can you imagine the gag if everyone just got fed up of whispering to each other and huddling up and made an individual decision that tore up alliance lines?
that's a bad move though.. not just for that tribal, but for the next ones as well. you basically announced to everyone that you can't be trusted as a number/a vote in your alliance. aside from the risk that the target will be you that night, once you go back to camp your alliance will be wary with working with you. the opposing alliance will also use that crack to convince them to vote you out next bc you're unpredictable. players have been voted out simply bc they are unpredictable/ indecisive. except if you're Sugar in Gabon.. then you'll make the F3 for sure 😂😂
@@sibernout7717 well you can't trust unpredictable people. bc they might self destruct your alliance. both alliances usually agree they don't want that kind of person in the game. think of Debbie (kaoh rong), Christy (amazon), Jennifer (kaoh rong), Gabriel (marquesas), Sarah (cagayan), & more. if your only reason to 'vote individually' is bc you can't take whispers in a tribal, that's concerning for any alliance. *but* ofc if you do it for strategic reason, and do not announce "you know what? I'm voting individually" to the whole tribe, then you'll be fine. point is, don't come across as unpredictable/unreliable lol.
im a big edge of extinction (season) defender. i do get why people would not like it, but a season where the newbies outclass the returnees, where each of the returnees are production favorites, is a rare sight. i just wish the twist was consistent in visibility, since i loveeee the very petty drama and the way they shot their confessionals in uncomfortable close ups.
Malcolm's real optimal move in S26 (though I understand this wouldn't have occurred to anyone at that time): Don't say anything at all about the idols till Jeff asks for them. Then play both. Seven votes for either Malcolm or Eddie don't count. Jeff reads the last three: Phillip--Cochrane--Brenda. The Amigos plus the other four Stealths are going to revote. Malcolm announces that, just as his alliance split their votes in the first round, they will do so again; it's entirely down to the other four to decide who goes. The pecking order is exposed and Stealth R Us is finished. Whichever of the three goes, his or her closest backer(s) now start voting with Malcolm, Eddie, and Reynold.
That would have been so sick!!! I would say to replace Brenda with Andrea because Andrea was always paranoid and her being a target would break that alliance quicker than Jeff snuffing their torches, but your idea is already so cool to think about I can’t even imagine that actually happening :D
@@Lizzy-yl4un Andrea works too. Phillip was the face of the alliance at that point and Cochrane was the brains of the operation. You want to make sure the third is also someone who’s pretty high up in the group so you don’t end up giving the others an easy out. Another variation would have been for Malcolm to vote Eddie so it becomes a straight up choice between Phillip and Cochrane, the two biggest beasts. However I think if you do that, you make it easy for them to wriggle off the hook, because probably they all vote for Phillip and stay strong in the next round, netting the same result as what really happened.
I agree that move would have been perfect. I do like changing Brenda to Andrea as the other commenter said. The thing I like is it also throws a spotlight on the 2 not voted on, in this scenario Phillip would probably be voted out, but it leaves Cochran and Brenda (or Andrea) looking like the biggest threat and make the rest of stealth r us to ask themselves if they could beat them. Leading to probably Cochran being voted out. The move might have secured them 6 more days and more time to get themselves into the majority with themselves at the center. Full credit to you, I fully love this idea.
@@braydenswinhart Actually I’m now thinking they should have put their votes on Cochrane, Brenda, and Andrea, and kept Phillip out of it. If he’s an option on the revote it’s too likely that the alliance will easily agree on him as a consensus choice, because he _was_ wearing on everyone’s nerves. You want their argument to be as intense as possible, so deny them any easy options.
I actually think the better strategy would be to keep the vote target and second idol secret, the three amigos vote for EACH OTHER so that both idols idol out all (ten?) votes successfully triggering a complete revote with all three amgios immune. They announce that they're all voting individually, but not for who, AND THEN they split their vote three ways (Brenda, Cochran, Andrea?) and just allow the chaos of the vote to do the work - then they use the cracks to split open the main alliance regardless which of the seven majority players goes home.
I know this may not 'count', but one of my favourite 'live' tribal councils has to be on Australian Survivor 2017 (Season 4), or what I simply call "I'M SORRY ANNELIESE!". For context, there was a rough alliance of five in the Samatau Tribe of Tessa, AK, Ziggy, Jarrad and Peter, and heading into tribal they were intent on splitting the vote between Locky and Tara, as they were thinking that either person may have an idol in his pocket. Locky and Tara manage to convince Anneliese, who is technically not part of the alliance but agreed to split the vote with the majority alliance, to vote AK just in case the alliance messes up their vote split. Despite Anneliese flipping, the vote split still works, 3-3-2 tying Tara and AK, and in the revote Tara gets all of the votes (with the exception of Locky's) out. And then, a bottle split without the bottle happens, and the tribe is sent STRAIGHT into a double tribal council. This blindsides the alliance, who still want to split the vote knowing there might still be an idol floating about, but are unsure of who exactly to vote as they are sent straight to the second vote, without prior deliberation. Anneliese and Locky are the first two to vote, and Anneliese flips to vote Locky out. Then Ziggy steps into the voting confessional booth. She shouts, and I mean SHOUTS, into the camera "I'M SORRY ANNELIESE!". I count it as an amazing live-tribal move, and probably one of the only ones done in the voting booth, as it lays down the plan for the rest of her alliance as to target which person (because they still don't EXACTLY know who flipped a vote to target AK, and votes could fly wildly on untold assumptions), and potentially preventing major infighting in a majority alliance that could result in their downfall is one of the boldest, and best moves in Survivor history I could think of. To top off the hilarity of the moment, both Tessa AND AK likewise shout "I'm Sorry Anneliese" at full volume, almost as if to confirm that the message has been received, and after the vote split, Anneliese is given the boot. (I think Locky mainly stayed because he was a massive physical advantage for their tribe.) Granted, this was all undone by ANOTHER twist that meant that Tara & Anneliese were just being tribe-swapped instead of voted out, but at the moment and still (to this day), I consider it one of the best moves in a Tribal Council in any Survivor.
I think it's not a good strategy most of the time, because everyone can see who's whispering to who and for how long. If someone's getting less and quicker whispers then it's a big hint to play their idol.
Live tribals aren't necessarily bad just they need to be constantly subtitled and not too long because some Survivor Episodes have about 1/3 of its screentime taken up by them lol
I love your vids, buddy! Always hyped when a new one comes up ♥️ I think Hayden’s move to flip Ciera in BvW should have been noted in the evolution of live tribals. Hayden was going home, and he turned the tables to not only give himself immunity, but score a 33.33% chance of booting out the biggest physical, social, and strategic threat out of the game. Definitely one of the best failed moves of all time ❤️ (new video idea, maybe? Haha)
41 was my first live season I followed as I picked up survivor at the start of covid and I just remember sitting there watching Heather trying to start a live tribal and achieving legitimately nothing from it left me sitting there like "Welp. Maybe I shoulda just stuck to watching this show on paramount+. I don't even know who this lady is!"
In my opinion, the best thing The Three Amigos could have done during that Tribal Council would have been to vote for three random people. That way, if Stealth R Us all voted for Malcolm or Eddie, they would all have to vote for one of three people in their alliance, greatly increasing the possibility of it breaking up.
That tribal shows Malcolm’s strategic incompetence. Philip was the most unlikable and expendable person anyways and didn’t cause the fracture he hoped would happen.
I think 1 live tribal a season is good and welcomed as long as it’s necessary, for example when Dean completely blows up the blindside on tommy and now everyone needs to get a new plan, not just someone getting up and asking who r we voting for. One of the reasons I didn’t enjoy Winners at War as mush as I should’ve
@@markjackson6431 Yep and how about that one other guy that was voted out third on EOE and came back into the game? I think his name was... Chip? or maybe Charlie?
Not sure if this was worth mentioning in the video, but in Survivor: Guatemala, there was almost a live tribal that Jeff shot down immediately. It was the tribal when Gary, who was the target played the immunity idol, and right after he sits down, everyone is about to whisper to each other to figure out who to vote out since they can't vote out Gary, and Jeff angrily shuts it down and says time to vote and Bobby Jon was voted out instead. I wonder what changed Jeff's mind about this format? Why didn't he tell JT to sit down?
Haven’t watched the video yet but I have to share a tale so please sit down, grab a snack, and strap in. It was a fateful Wednesday night in the year of our lord 2021 and I sat in my dorm with my roommate as we turned on the tv to excitedly watch survivor 41. Now, dear reader, I must make it clear my roommate was a survivor novice (as we all were at one point) and was not as well versed as your or I in the vast catalogue of survivor trivia, stats, and gameplay floating our psyche day in and day out. So my roommate was not prepared for the fright that befell him as during what seemed to be a normal straight forward tribal council quickly devolved into a mess of badly miked discussions and incomprehensible scuttling of contestant. My roommate had experienced his first life tribal. It’s something we’ve all done and try to forget but I’ll never forget the disgust and confusion plastered across his face as the votes were read and he had no concept or how or why they turned out as they did. I sat him down after and explained to him the horror of the live tribal. While the scars will never fully heal he continues to watch with me to this day albeit with the added tension that one day-any day-an episode could end with another cacophony of haphazard strategy and pandemonium called a live tribal.
I'm like in the ultra-minority of superfans that have actually enjoyed live tribals every single time they've happened. Whether they were good moves or not, whether they were subtitled or not, I legitimately enjoyed most of them because for once, tribal council actually MEANT something. Usually, it's all just theatre; one alliance is trying to act their asses off to convince the others that one plan is occurring instead of another, answers to Jeff's questions are completely meaningless, and ultimately, I just want to get to the vote. But if a tribal becomes live, what that means for me as a viewer is that this episode just became more interesting, and I have something to talk about that actually includes the events of tribal council. (But obviously, I'm more in favor of subtitling every single live tribal versus leaving us up in the air completely. I'd still like to know what's going on.) Personally, my favorite live tribal - aside from the EOE Julia boot - is one that you didn't mention that I think should've: the quintessential "Rustle Feathers" flip, where Hayden flips Ciera, thus forcing the show's second ever rock draw! No one got out of their seat, but it was similar to Marquesas in that it was very much a public forum, and plans were still changing at that very moment. Absolutely iconic, and if you ask me, the Big Brother import that should've had a return by now is Hayden, not Caleb, lol.
I think the reason that was left out was because there was no whispering. Kathy asked permission to whisper in Vecepia's ear and was shot down. I wonder what would have happened if Hayden had asked permission or just pulled a JT and just got up and started whispering
Idk if you’ll read this, but can you do a video on the history of voting blocs? When the earliest examples were, when the term was first used. I remember when players were suddenly saying it in Cambodia and I had no idea what they were talking about, so it was really hard to follow at times. I have a better understanding if it now, but sometimes I still feel lost when I hear it.
Idc what anyone says.. JT has the right idea. He already won. And his game in his winning season is like legendary in Survivor lol he already proved himself, why *not* take the big risks? People act like giving away the idol in HvV was "the dumbest move in Survivor history", but can you imagine how iconic it would have been if it worked? It was a good plan.. it just didn't happen to pan out. Game Changers, on the other hand, was just not smart lol but the way I see it.. he didn't have a ton of time to really think everything through and I think he just kinda panicked. It's funny that I'm even defending him like this lmao he's certainly not my favorite and, quite frankly, he gets on my nerves sometimes.. but tbf fair just about every single player has gotten on my nerves from time to time lol I just think people give him more sht than he deserves.
I do like the chaos of live tribals but I’d prefer it if was like one big flashy moment per season and it usually comes with plenty of memorable moments, but I also like being able to follow along haha I wished they just subtitled more and looped the audience in
I think that live councils can be fun, but they have to be done like how Malcolm did it, or when a huge wrench is thrown in the plan like Penner winning a clutch immunity. If it's a good reason to force a scramble and/or cause chaos it's great. But if it starts to happen more often in a season, especially if it's just random, then it just gets annoying. And just shows a lack of planning and paranoia getting a little too high. While Malcoms chaos inducing live tribals were great, JT's live council was just a hail mary that screwed him almost as hard as his idol pass to Russel. Sometimes it's setoff by a great intentional play like just revealing an idol. Othertimes it's cuase of one bad wording or phase, thatmay not have been intentional, and just throws a potentially game changing tribal into a chaotic mess and some no-name nobody goes home and nothing happens, ir people like Malcolm get so screwed you can see him visibly trying to contain his anger as he's snuffed. I guess opinion on a live tribal can differ depending on who you're invested in. If it saves someone you like you might just enjoy that one, but hate another. Or it could come down to sheer not knowing what's going on or what's being said like the early ones. I bet that put a bad taste in alot of viewers mouths and has left a forever stain on the idea. Hopefully heather has hurt that idea for awhile.
It's so ironic to think Malcolm was one of the precursors of the "proto" Live Tribals (mid-20s) and also the target on the very first "true" Live Tribal (S34)... A very DARK (Netflix) coincidence, actually!
I would say the tie vote that only involved 2 people voting during the re vote in a tribe of 6 where Daniel swapped his vote in S42 was a live tribal IMO
Annoying is certainly right. I don't like how out of the loop we are when a live trial happens. I mean, why not just skip from the challenge to Trial if all the plans are going to change.
I know WaW oversaturated the market a bit, but for my money one of the best tribal moments of all time is Sophie Clark at live tribal just fully getting up and declaring "okay why don't we just go over there and decide who's going home?"
I have to mention Alec and Kara agreeing to vote for Angelica to save Alison who's just got her vote stolen by Nick literally while Gabby's voting in DvG
Im okay with live tribals as long as we get subtitles, part of the fun is knowing whats happening. S34 is the worst example for sure since there is literally no justification for why michaela goes home
14:25 side note: just a funny little fun fact for y'all.. I said "one fellow swoop" until I was 29 years old. Which was last year lmao thats what I thought the phrase was 🤦♀️ and I know I've commented/tweeted/etc. that before lmao I've probably been on that bone apple teeth subreddit and didn't even know
Had Pete kept his mouth shut about Malcom, they might have been able to pull off that blindside. If that happens, Penner 100% goes home next, even if Skupin flips as Kent would be on board for any Penner vote. That could've given the Pete/Abi/Artis alliance the strangle hold for the rest of the season.
They are actually part of the reason I stopped watching survivor after season 40. I don't like that no one trusts anyone and these random names come out of nowhere. Live tribal would be fine if we would actually follow what is being said. But multiple episodes of unintelligible whispering is annoying, the audience isn't being blind-sided, we're being stripped of one of the most interesting parts of the game, the strategizing. It makes the players seem so chaotic that they have no control either. But maybe I'm biased since I prefer the teens and 20s seasons way more.
I’m completely on board with the way you feel about Game changers’ boot order. However, you COULD say they changed the game (or just that season) by voting out the biggest physical threats early.
Isn't it a distinct advantage to be seated in the back? Tribal Council should be done in an oblong semi-circle, with 3-5 feet of space between each seat.
"You know when you're heading tribal council at the 25 minute mark, things are gonna be good"
Jeff Varner in GC would beg to differ
ahahahaha
They tend to annoy me when almost every tribal becomes a live one but when live tribals occur in moderation they’re still fun to watch
Agree, the occasional is good
Yes and when they actually shift the gameplay. They can be fun! But sometimes it’s overdone like guys. Nothing happened.
I think live tribals are fine as long as the audience can actually hear people and follow what's going on. Several minutes of unintelligible whispering is not fun to watch, but real-time strategy adaptation is!
That thumbnail. I’ll never forget Ron say “should we just vote out Victoria?” Victoria: “what?!?”
No one ever noticed Victoria! Not even Jeff! She literally had to call herself out in the challenge to prove she was there!
There’s part of me that’s always wanted someone after 10 minutes of live tribal to yell “you know what? I’m voting individually” and just take their seat. I know there’s a solid chance it would lead to them getting voted out, but can you imagine the gag if everyone just got fed up of whispering to each other and huddling up and made an individual decision that tore up alliance lines?
Didn’t Denise basically do that in WaW?
that's a bad move though.. not just for that tribal, but for the next ones as well. you basically announced to everyone that you can't be trusted as a number/a vote in your alliance.
aside from the risk that the target will be you that night, once you go back to camp your alliance will be wary with working with you. the opposing alliance will also use that crack to convince them to vote you out next bc you're unpredictable.
players have been voted out simply bc they are unpredictable/ indecisive. except if you're Sugar in Gabon.. then you'll make the F3 for sure 😂😂
@@tenerife_sea Wouldn't they actually try to get the indecisive person to flip so they could get majority the next tribal after
@@sibernout7717 well you can't trust unpredictable people. bc they might self destruct your alliance.
both alliances usually agree they don't want that kind of person in the game. think of Debbie (kaoh rong), Christy (amazon), Jennifer (kaoh rong), Gabriel (marquesas), Sarah (cagayan), & more.
if your only reason to 'vote individually' is bc you can't take whispers in a tribal, that's concerning for any alliance.
*but* ofc if you do it for strategic reason, and do not announce "you know what? I'm voting individually" to the whole tribe, then you'll be fine. point is, don't come across as unpredictable/unreliable lol.
My favorite live tribal is from S41.
Jeff: Ready to vote?
Heather: Yes
Heather: *Proceeds to get up and start whispering in ears*
When Stephanie said "This is gonna be a crazy season" and you laughed and said "no it won't", that freaking sent me haha
"Hahaha..... no it won't!"
This line killed me way harder than I expected
im a big edge of extinction (season) defender. i do get why people would not like it, but a season where the newbies outclass the returnees, where each of the returnees are production favorites, is a rare sight. i just wish the twist was consistent in visibility, since i loveeee the very petty drama and the way they shot their confessionals in uncomfortable close ups.
Devins really made it interesting when he came back into the game
Malcolm's real optimal move in S26 (though I understand this wouldn't have occurred to anyone at that time):
Don't say anything at all about the idols till Jeff asks for them. Then play both. Seven votes for either Malcolm or Eddie don't count. Jeff reads the last three: Phillip--Cochrane--Brenda.
The Amigos plus the other four Stealths are going to revote. Malcolm announces that, just as his alliance split their votes in the first round, they will do so again; it's entirely down to the other four to decide who goes. The pecking order is exposed and Stealth R Us is finished. Whichever of the three goes, his or her closest backer(s) now start voting with Malcolm, Eddie, and Reynold.
That would have been so sick!!! I would say to replace Brenda with Andrea because Andrea was always paranoid and her being a target would break that alliance quicker than Jeff snuffing their torches, but your idea is already so cool to think about I can’t even imagine that actually happening :D
@@Lizzy-yl4un Andrea works too. Phillip was the face of the alliance at that point and Cochrane was the brains of the operation. You want to make sure the third is also someone who’s pretty high up in the group so you don’t end up giving the others an easy out.
Another variation would have been for Malcolm to vote Eddie so it becomes a straight up choice between Phillip and Cochrane, the two biggest beasts. However I think if you do that, you make it easy for them to wriggle off the hook, because probably they all vote for Phillip and stay strong in the next round, netting the same result as what really happened.
I agree that move would have been perfect. I do like changing Brenda to Andrea as the other commenter said. The thing I like is it also throws a spotlight on the 2 not voted on, in this scenario Phillip would probably be voted out, but it leaves Cochran and Brenda (or Andrea) looking like the biggest threat and make the rest of stealth r us to ask themselves if they could beat them. Leading to probably Cochran being voted out. The move might have secured them 6 more days and more time to get themselves into the majority with themselves at the center. Full credit to you, I fully love this idea.
@@braydenswinhart Actually I’m now thinking they should have put their votes on Cochrane, Brenda, and Andrea, and kept Phillip out of it. If he’s an option on the revote it’s too likely that the alliance will easily agree on him as a consensus choice, because he _was_ wearing on everyone’s nerves. You want their argument to be as intense as possible, so deny them any easy options.
I actually think the better strategy would be to keep the vote target and second idol secret, the three amigos vote for EACH OTHER so that both idols idol out all (ten?) votes successfully triggering a complete revote with all three amgios immune. They announce that they're all voting individually, but not for who, AND THEN they split their vote three ways (Brenda, Cochran, Andrea?) and just allow the chaos of the vote to do the work - then they use the cracks to split open the main alliance regardless which of the seven majority players goes home.
I know this may not 'count', but one of my favourite 'live' tribal councils has to be on Australian Survivor 2017 (Season 4), or what I simply call "I'M SORRY ANNELIESE!".
For context, there was a rough alliance of five in the Samatau Tribe of Tessa, AK, Ziggy, Jarrad and Peter, and heading into tribal they were intent on splitting the vote between Locky and Tara, as they were thinking that either person may have an idol in his pocket. Locky and Tara manage to convince Anneliese, who is technically not part of the alliance but agreed to split the vote with the majority alliance, to vote AK just in case the alliance messes up their vote split. Despite Anneliese flipping, the vote split still works, 3-3-2 tying Tara and AK, and in the revote Tara gets all of the votes (with the exception of Locky's) out.
And then, a bottle split without the bottle happens, and the tribe is sent STRAIGHT into a double tribal council. This blindsides the alliance, who still want to split the vote knowing there might still be an idol floating about, but are unsure of who exactly to vote as they are sent straight to the second vote, without prior deliberation. Anneliese and Locky are the first two to vote, and Anneliese flips to vote Locky out.
Then Ziggy steps into the voting confessional booth.
She shouts, and I mean SHOUTS, into the camera "I'M SORRY ANNELIESE!".
I count it as an amazing live-tribal move, and probably one of the only ones done in the voting booth, as it lays down the plan for the rest of her alliance as to target which person (because they still don't EXACTLY know who flipped a vote to target AK, and votes could fly wildly on untold assumptions), and potentially preventing major infighting in a majority alliance that could result in their downfall is one of the boldest, and best moves in Survivor history I could think of. To top off the hilarity of the moment, both Tessa AND AK likewise shout "I'm Sorry Anneliese" at full volume, almost as if to confirm that the message has been received, and after the vote split, Anneliese is given the boot. (I think Locky mainly stayed because he was a massive physical advantage for their tribe.)
Granted, this was all undone by ANOTHER twist that meant that Tara & Anneliese were just being tribe-swapped instead of voted out, but at the moment and still (to this day), I consider it one of the best moves in a Tribal Council in any Survivor.
If Heather actually killed live tribals, that's Purple Kelly tier iconic behavior
Maybe that’s why they purpled her
Honestly, I love Heather, and I find it hilarious that she was purpled that hard even though she had an ACTUAL shot at winning this game x)
I think it's not a good strategy most of the time, because everyone can see who's whispering to who and for how long. If someone's getting less and quicker whispers then it's a big hint to play their idol.
“treat for Eddie”
THE SUBTLETY
Live tribals aren't necessarily bad just they need to be constantly subtitled and not too long because some Survivor Episodes have about 1/3 of its screentime taken up by them lol
I'm still waiting to see how Julie Chen would manage a live eviction ceremony live on a BB eviction episode.
that needs to happen
The Chenbot will go haywire probably
I love your vids, buddy! Always hyped when a new one comes up ♥️
I think Hayden’s move to flip Ciera in BvW should have been noted in the evolution of live tribals. Hayden was going home, and he turned the tables to not only give himself immunity, but score a 33.33% chance of booting out the biggest physical, social, and strategic threat out of the game.
Definitely one of the best failed moves of all time ❤️ (new video idea, maybe? Haha)
That move and reeds attempt to get John out in BvW2 are all time greats in my book
@@seanberrodin801 literally just watched that episode for the first time! Definitely a great moment
@@seanberrodin801 Sucks that Keith had to go and spoil it.
41 was my first live season I followed as I picked up survivor at the start of covid and I just remember sitting there watching Heather trying to start a live tribal and achieving legitimately nothing from it left me sitting there like "Welp. Maybe I shoulda just stuck to watching this show on paramount+. I don't even know who this lady is!"
hahaha i picked it up during covid too and these first two seasons i got to watch live didnt live up to the hype
In my opinion, the best thing The Three Amigos could have done during that Tribal Council would have been to vote for three random people. That way, if Stealth R Us all voted for Malcolm or Eddie, they would all have to vote for one of three people in their alliance, greatly increasing the possibility of it breaking up.
That tribal shows Malcolm’s strategic incompetence. Philip was the most unlikable and expendable person anyways and didn’t cause the fracture he hoped would happen.
I think 1 live tribal a season is good and welcomed as long as it’s necessary, for example when Dean completely blows up the blindside on tommy and now everyone needs to get a new plan, not just someone getting up and asking who r we voting for. One of the reasons I didn’t enjoy Winners at War as mush as I should’ve
Luke you Bash on the Game Changers cast about as much as you Bash on Candice (From Raro Tribe) in Heroes Vs Villains. And I love it.
don’t forget about: Eddie (being a dog) and David Murphy & his murphyism
@@markjackson6431 Yep and how about that one other guy that was voted out third on EOE and came back into the game? I think his name was... Chip? or maybe Charlie?
This video is everything I’ve ever wanted in a summer school episode and more
Great video 👍 I like the detailed videos on more specific topics.
Me after there was a brief live tribal in survivor 46, although the only thing iconic to come from that was “stop making the block hot”
Live tribals are one of my favorite parts of the show. They never get old to me. I love the chaos
“Malcolm pulls out one idol for himself, then a nice little treat for eddie”
I can’t with the subtle golden retriever joke 😂
I love Live Tribals! I love when I have no clue what’s happening in the episode because nobody actually talks about it before Tribal!
Not sure if this was worth mentioning in the video, but in Survivor: Guatemala, there was almost a live tribal that Jeff shot down immediately. It was the tribal when Gary, who was the target played the immunity idol, and right after he sits down, everyone is about to whisper to each other to figure out who to vote out since they can't vote out Gary, and Jeff angrily shuts it down and says time to vote and Bobby Jon was voted out instead. I wonder what changed Jeff's mind about this format? Why didn't he tell JT to sit down?
Haven’t watched the video yet but I have to share a tale so please sit down, grab a snack, and strap in. It was a fateful Wednesday night in the year of our lord 2021 and I sat in my dorm with my roommate as we turned on the tv to excitedly watch survivor 41. Now, dear reader, I must make it clear my roommate was a survivor novice (as we all were at one point) and was not as well versed as your or I in the vast catalogue of survivor trivia, stats, and gameplay floating our psyche day in and day out. So my roommate was not prepared for the fright that befell him as during what seemed to be a normal straight forward tribal council quickly devolved into a mess of badly miked discussions and incomprehensible scuttling of contestant. My roommate had experienced his first life tribal. It’s something we’ve all done and try to forget but I’ll never forget the disgust and confusion plastered across his face as the votes were read and he had no concept or how or why they turned out as they did. I sat him down after and explained to him the horror of the live tribal. While the scars will never fully heal he continues to watch with me to this day albeit with the added tension that one day-any day-an episode could end with another cacophony of haphazard strategy and pandemonium called a live tribal.
IMO the three amigos should not have suggested Philip, and voted for three different people instead. Chaos as stealth r us really turns on itself
Malcolm's multi-season arc of live tribals was a great insight!
And he was finally ended on S25 when Lisa all but announced that she was voting for him aloud at TC
I'm like in the ultra-minority of superfans that have actually enjoyed live tribals every single time they've happened. Whether they were good moves or not, whether they were subtitled or not, I legitimately enjoyed most of them because for once, tribal council actually MEANT something. Usually, it's all just theatre; one alliance is trying to act their asses off to convince the others that one plan is occurring instead of another, answers to Jeff's questions are completely meaningless, and ultimately, I just want to get to the vote. But if a tribal becomes live, what that means for me as a viewer is that this episode just became more interesting, and I have something to talk about that actually includes the events of tribal council. (But obviously, I'm more in favor of subtitling every single live tribal versus leaving us up in the air completely. I'd still like to know what's going on.)
Personally, my favorite live tribal - aside from the EOE Julia boot - is one that you didn't mention that I think should've: the quintessential "Rustle Feathers" flip, where Hayden flips Ciera, thus forcing the show's second ever rock draw! No one got out of their seat, but it was similar to Marquesas in that it was very much a public forum, and plans were still changing at that very moment. Absolutely iconic, and if you ask me, the Big Brother import that should've had a return by now is Hayden, not Caleb, lol.
I love live tribals too
i love live tribals
I think the reason that was left out was because there was no whispering. Kathy asked permission to whisper in Vecepia's ear and was shot down. I wonder what would have happened if Hayden had asked permission or just pulled a JT and just got up and started whispering
"Could this be a 10,000 IQ #girlboss move from our manipulative, chaotic, purple, super fan queen?" I quote this every day
“Probstian Dreams are made of”
My new favorite adjective
I just think about Kellee’s “These are the dumbest moves” at 14:42 every second of my life.
Every single vote out of that season made no sense! The final three was a joke!
Love a live tribal! Give me more drama! That is unless it leads to one of my favs going home of course.
Thank you Heather ❤️
Idk if you’ll read this, but can you do a video on the history of voting blocs? When the earliest examples were, when the term was first used. I remember when players were suddenly saying it in Cambodia and I had no idea what they were talking about, so it was really hard to follow at times. I have a better understanding if it now, but sometimes I still feel lost when I hear it.
Love the "this close" edit 4:30
I personally quite enjoy the chaos of a live tribal, but please, subtitle them.
I laughed so hard at 9:22
Luke's comedic timing/editing is so good.
I WISH that Heather theory was true 😂
As a huge fan of EoE, the live tribal was definitely a highlight of the season
Horrible opinion
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Am I the only one who likes live tribal because it makes for good tv, I think I am
Idc what anyone says.. JT has the right idea. He already won. And his game in his winning season is like legendary in Survivor lol he already proved himself, why *not* take the big risks? People act like giving away the idol in HvV was "the dumbest move in Survivor history", but can you imagine how iconic it would have been if it worked? It was a good plan.. it just didn't happen to pan out. Game Changers, on the other hand, was just not smart lol but the way I see it.. he didn't have a ton of time to really think everything through and I think he just kinda panicked.
It's funny that I'm even defending him like this lmao he's certainly not my favorite and, quite frankly, he gets on my nerves sometimes.. but tbf fair just about every single player has gotten on my nerves from time to time lol I just think people give him more sht than he deserves.
The cover image of this video is exactly what my brain is like when anything mildly interesting happens.
Pls do a video of your season rankings
I think I’m not the only one who hopes this
I do like the chaos of live tribals but I’d prefer it if was like one big flashy moment per season and it usually comes with plenty of memorable moments, but I also like being able to follow along haha I wished they just subtitled more and looped the audience in
You forgot survivor 29. "Keith Nale stick to the plan", nat told jhon "play ur idol"
I think because that happened quickly and Natalie was sitting right there, she didn't have to get up to whisper was why that wasn't mentioned
I think that live councils can be fun, but they have to be done like how Malcolm did it, or when a huge wrench is thrown in the plan like Penner winning a clutch immunity. If it's a good reason to force a scramble and/or cause chaos it's great. But if it starts to happen more often in a season, especially if it's just random, then it just gets annoying. And just shows a lack of planning and paranoia getting a little too high. While Malcoms chaos inducing live tribals were great, JT's live council was just a hail mary that screwed him almost as hard as his idol pass to Russel.
Sometimes it's setoff by a great intentional play like just revealing an idol. Othertimes it's cuase of one bad wording or phase, thatmay not have been intentional, and just throws a potentially game changing tribal into a chaotic mess and some no-name nobody goes home and nothing happens, ir people like Malcolm get so screwed you can see him visibly trying to contain his anger as he's snuffed.
I guess opinion on a live tribal can differ depending on who you're invested in. If it saves someone you like you might just enjoy that one, but hate another. Or it could come down to sheer not knowing what's going on or what's being said like the early ones. I bet that put a bad taste in alot of viewers mouths and has left a forever stain on the idea.
Hopefully heather has hurt that idea for awhile.
I wish every tribal was live. It would make things way more interesting
Queen Jenny Lanzetti from Kaoh Rong snubbed of a mention for being the first person to stand up during a tribal
I love life tribals Exocet in WAW and IOI a which was overloaded with them
I love the chaos of live tribals
7:25 I had to pause the video because I was laughing so much
"Jeff is about to pibble with excitement."
LOL!!!
It would be hilarious if someone made A 10 hour live tribal video.
Now please no one attack me, but I love live tribals.
this was a fun era, i will always defend it
8:38 moves that Fishbach kept him from pulling in Tocantins
It's so ironic to think Malcolm was one of the precursors of the "proto" Live Tribals (mid-20s) and also the target on the very first "true" Live Tribal (S34)... A very DARK (Netflix) coincidence, actually!
"Aubry having Eliza-level reactions" LOL, perfect description
I would say the tie vote that only involved 2 people voting during the re vote in a tribe of 6 where Daniel swapped his vote in S42 was a live tribal IMO
Yes! I was very confused when he said there were none in Season 42, I was like, I'm pretty sure there was or something close to one
11:22 Your, "Haha, no it won't" 😂
Julia vote out at Edge of Extinction is one of the best tribals ever
can u possibly go into the history of "the goat" Im still kinda confused on the whole title and history thing
in short, its a useless person, not big in the game
i enjoy live tribals 🤷♀️ makes me feel like i’m part of the action
I loved Karishma from s39 and elaine.. I really wish Nora and dean wouldn't have fcked everything up lmao
Annoying is certainly right. I don't like how out of the loop we are when a live trial happens.
I mean, why not just skip from the challenge to Trial if all the plans are going to change.
Well they gotta fill 45 minutes
What about Mari's boot from 33? that was a little live i think
Does anyone think that Malcom, Ozzy, and Joe look like Survivor's identical triplets.
That should be a season! Former players split by gender: Golden Boys vs. Black Widows
please redo this once again after this most recent episode.
15:46 Welp we just had one in survivor 44
I know WaW oversaturated the market a bit, but for my money one of the best tribal moments of all time is Sophie Clark at live tribal just fully getting up and declaring "okay why don't we just go over there and decide who's going home?"
Dude be calling my boi Fallen Comrades a trivia contest.
I have to mention Alec and Kara agreeing to vote for Angelica to save Alison who's just got her vote stolen by Nick literally while Gabby's voting in DvG
It was interesting to see them vote for Angelina, and the nullifier made it iconic (even tho I was rooting for Dan lol)
Im okay with live tribals as long as we get subtitles, part of the fun is knowing whats happening. S34 is the worst example for sure since there is literally no justification for why michaela goes home
Sarah made it happen to hurt Cirie because she was mad that Cirie tried to steal her advantage and Michaela was Cirie's closest ally
@@alexpoage1078 well ya we know that but leading up to that there was incredibly little indication the michaela was even on the table
True, she wasn’t on the table for that particular vote, but she was on the table for a lot of other votes
14:25 side note: just a funny little fun fact for y'all.. I said "one fellow swoop" until I was 29 years old. Which was last year lmao thats what I thought the phrase was 🤦♀️ and I know I've commented/tweeted/etc. that before lmao I've probably been on that bone apple teeth subreddit and didn't even know
Had Pete kept his mouth shut about Malcom, they might have been able to pull off that blindside.
If that happens, Penner 100% goes home next, even if Skupin flips as Kent would be on board for any Penner vote.
That could've given the Pete/Abi/Artis alliance the strangle hold for the rest of the season.
i love your commentary.. they zigged when they should have zagged.. lol...
They are actually part of the reason I stopped watching survivor after season 40. I don't like that no one trusts anyone and these random names come out of nowhere. Live tribal would be fine if we would actually follow what is being said. But multiple episodes of unintelligible whispering is annoying, the audience isn't being blind-sided, we're being stripped of one of the most interesting parts of the game, the strategizing. It makes the players seem so chaotic that they have no control either. But maybe I'm biased since I prefer the teens and 20s seasons way more.
Am I the only person who loves Game Changers despite the boot order
malcolm lowkey the legendary game changer
Live tribal is 🔥🔥🔥
As Kieth Nail would say stick to the plan
Well season 42 was filmed before 41 aired so I doubt that last one ..
Justice for Michaela 😭
I actually love live tribals, but only when there's 1 or 2 per season at max
I like live tribals sure, but in 46 I think they need to bring the conch shell back.
I love live tribals
couldn't you consider the second person to be voted out on the Braun tribe in Kaoh Rong a live tribal?
Didn't Jonathan attempt some kind of live tribal in 42 at some point during the Tori boot before they decided to have a public vote?
That was close to live because Maryanne and Drea said they were playing their idols and voting for Tori because Lindsey was in their alliance
6:52 I love Game Changers
I wish reynold would have came back
I’m completely on board with the way you feel about Game changers’ boot order. However, you COULD say they changed the game (or just that season) by voting out the biggest physical threats early.
OH YHAH!
I love the pointless live tribal in the green tribe in s41
12:37 I want to see those rankings, Luke
Isn't it a distinct advantage to be seated in the back?
Tribal Council should be done in an oblong semi-circle, with 3-5 feet of space between each seat.
9:26 Jeff Varner actually played decently in Australia
Still doesn't make him a game changer. He didn't do anything game changing in Australia or Second Chance
@@alexpoage1078 I agree. Not a game changer at all