Just the fact that Janet blew up her game for these women, only for them to throw her UTB is disgusting me in so many ways! This episode makes me sick beyond belief!
@Salty 556 exactly lmao.think they were trying to do a recapture the "groundbreaking" social awakening that was the Zeke and Varner "outing heard around the world."
Thank goodness Janet was cast for this season* Jamal is just entitled and wants to control how everyone acts, preaching first world problems acting all high and mighty
@Salty 556 am just glad they gave Missy the boot last night after playing the race card. Also don't like that after taking a long time to leave after being voted out she told Elizabeth "now you gotta kill Elaine" in a stage whisper that could have been heard by the others, Jeff & possibly Rob & Sandra. Whether Missy was kidding or not, she needs to have repercussions happen to her IMO>
Yes, and we can address this also making sure we are addressing Dan, the actual cause of the touching. And we can also simultaneously address Aaron’s victim-blaming and dismissing.
Kevan McDougall I agree Dan is definitely a creep but the girls are also scumbags. I find almost everyone extremely unlikeable and kind of annoying this season. Such a bummer. At least Janet is kind of cool.
It doesn't change the fact that Dan was inappropriately touching them as well. They really were too afraid to let it affect the game. Keller, was the only one with the strength to really admit what he was doing. Its all there for everyone to see in the episodes. He is creepy, and gross, and puts his hands where they should not be.
PREACH it was absolutely disgusting, like yes I understand it is a game for a million but exaggerating a real world problem did not make it okay to “further” them in the game
Karishma was decent about it too. She was an outsider to the situation and couldn’t deliver much input, but she still defended Janet for being honest about what she believed had happened.
Dan needs to keep his hands to himself. The other girls should NOT have used this behavior as part of the game. Somethings are too serious to take lightly.
@AllegedPhilo They were not fake allegations. Those girls backtracked because they were afraid they would lose in the game. Dan is creepy and he was touching all of them in ways he should not have. Kellee is the only one who told the truth and stood up with it.
@@Mikey_Mike1 but both happened. He allegedly sexually harassed her and the girls made up sexual assault claims. Both are wrong and we saw both extremes of the situation.
Aaron’s comments are disgusting, just as much as Dan’s. Jamal took my breath away with his simple statement. He gets it, completely. Aaron, sit down, shut up, and listen.
@@daytenhalsey8701 There is a serious problem with this whole #metoo nonsense. Men are now being convicted and put on the guillotine without ever getting a trial. This is not ok and this is why the #himtoo movement was born. I will always stand up for anyone getting accused like that without any evidence. As for Dan Spilo, it turns out there are footages of Dan touching Kelley a lot and her telling Dan she did not like that so Dan maybe did cross the line there with Kelley. There is no evidence of what happened with the camera woman though. It was wrong for the producers to remove him for that. It sounds like a made up BS story to me.
The entire Me Too movement in a nutshell. The good the bad and the ugly. You have the victim who loses by coming forward. You have the perpetrator who was given too many chances. You have the woman who is damned for standing by the victim. You have the ignorant men who feel like they know a lot when they know nothing. And you have women who bring up false charges for personal gain.
@@sacremende of course I’m triggered the feminazis are ruining the world accusing innocent men of touching hair and pretending it matters and people are going along with it
vial.of.photons Yes cause real men stay silent and won’t stand up to other men in defense of women. Lol. You just sound like a coward to me. Slime balls sit back and let women get treated that way by other men. Creeps. Cowards. You have it all twisted bud. Men who are obsessed with calling other men, ‘beta males’ and whites knights’ for any sort of virtuous behavior that involves women, are just angry at women and insecure about their manhood. If you’re so worried about being a pussy, you might want to reevaluate your bullshit. Don’t be brainwashed by men who just hate women and only care about their own asses. They are just really bitter. Hardly exemplary representations of ‘manhood’. Lol
I hated how they all pretty much turned on her because they felt their games were being threatened. This should of been the one time to separate GAME from PERSONAL
I don't think it's really fair to say they all turned on her. It was really just Aaron and the two women. Everyone else either stuck up for Janet or stayed out of it
Aaron was such a jerk. He just spewed so much arrogance, venom, and narcissism, that it’s sickening. He posted an apology on Twitter, but for some reason I just don’t buy it. Maybe half of his apology is sincere BUT the other part of it just didn’t feel right. It’s difficult to put together the uber chauvinist arrogant supercilious Aaron at tribal council, and the macho masculine Aron turning the tables showing sensitivity and crying in his apology.
Your begging for female attention is disgusting. A man hating feminist is probably threatening to break up with you if you don't write this comment. Lol
@@Beachteach610 I agree Aaron was a 3rd party perspective here, meaning that his to account Dan too (wrong or right either way he is expected to be critical about it) Missy and Elizabeth is what getting in my nerves here... but it's also expected, it's a game. They did what's best for them at that moment. (Destroying Dan and Janet game at the same time)
I think you both completely perceived this entire line as a somewhat narcissistic comment, you could not be more wrong, Jamal was saying his life has women on every turn and with that comes respect and sympathy, you 2 just decided to make a joke out of it and if I were either of you I would delete your comments bc Jamal clearly has respect for the women around him, and you scumbags decided to make that a villainous trait by taking it completely out of context and then making it relatable with the joke, to both of you go shove your out of context quotes up your ass
Rory O' Donnell just to summarize what you said. “Respecting women” gives him the right to be ignorant? The cameras showed everything that happened and this guy had the audacity to say “I didn’t see it, therefore it didn’t happen” and completely try to shut it down without hearing the other side out so I don’t see your point. Also stop talking out of your ass when you have a perfectly fine mouth. No need for the name calling and 3 year old tantrums, were all adults here so start acting like one.
For those who don't know, or can't remember what happened here, this is the breakdown: Dan was a touchy-feely player with the girls. (Note: the younger ones, not Janet.) Even when hinted to stop (usually they pulled away or retained space), he refrained for a short time, but soon after started it up again. Rubbing their shoulders, touching their hair, arm around their waists, etc. This was notably first addressed by Kellee Kim, who you see sitting on the jury. Kellee's decision to place a complaint fueled Dan to get her voted out of the game. As you can see -- it worked. After this, Dan continued to be inappropriate with personal space. Missy and Elizabeth saw an opportunity to target Dan, by making up a story that he had been making them feel uncomfortable. Janet was an ally of Dan's (mainly because they were the two older players), but also had a quality about her that the girls found they could trust, like a mother. They confide in Janet that they are being harassed by Dan, even though it's a concocted story, yet believable considering what just happened to Kellee Kim. Janet believed their story. Janet decided, for the good of the game and to protect the girls, she would go against her alliance and vote Dan off so that they were felt more safe. Remember: this move by Missy and Elizabeth would badly affect Janet no matter what. Had she sided with Dan, she would appear socially (and likely globally with the show's viewers) to be complacent where sexual harassment was concerned. But siding with the girls was morally the right thing to do, even if it damaged her alliance. Either way, the #MeToo movement was the theme of this season, and Dan would be made an example of. What ended up happening hurt the movement as we witnessed two girls take advantage of a man in order to propel their position within the game -- all the while, needing to believe the victims was crucial. While Dan was certainly touchy-feely, the allegations that Missy and Elizabeth made were untrue. Believing the victims was never more questioned as the two girls proved that they could play the victim card to get what they wanted, knowing that people should blindly believe them. In the end, the girls put out a scripted public apology on their Twitter accounts, and left it at that. Actions taken by all, starting with Dan who didn't understand boundaries, to the women who concocted a story to catapult the situation further, and to the show's producers who used the #MeToo movement for ratings did no one any good. The victims here were Kellee, who tried to say something and was voted out. And Janet, who tried to help, but her likability -- especially regarding this situation, made her too much of a threat and eventually was voted out because of it. Also affected: the women around the world who watched this unravel, who may question whether or not it is wise to speak up at all about their own sexual harassments or sexual assaults.
I just began watching this season a few years after it aired, and literally paused mid tribal council to search how it was received when it happened on youtube. This comment captures exactly what happened. Thank you for the breakdown, was starting to think I might have misinterpreted what I thought happened.
Rules of what? She was offered so of course she should have taken the opportunity. The thing I don't like about these "me too" feminist groups is that they don't want to give women responsibility yet have the audacity to say they want equality. Women should be kids according to feminists.
@@liamroberts2576 she actually can talk about it and was offered to disqualify Dan but she didn't. Of course social justice warriors in the comments section will treat her like a kid and not a grown woman by relieving her of any responsibilities. It's never a woman's fault.
@@woodykusaki9970 Well the show did not present that part of the story to us and some of us don’t know every fact about a TV show that aired something like 3 years ago. If I did know that fact I would assume she stayed silent to avoid direct confrontation as well as more scrutiny and didn’t leave the jury possibly due to the possibility of it breaking a contractual obligation. But at the end of the day idk why she did those things but I can try to find empathy for her because I’m a decent human being not because I’m a social justice warrior… such a heated @ me for me literally writing “Literally” lmao. 🤣
As much as I agree that he did wrong. For guys to touch other guys like hugging, kissing, etc. isn’t as socially accepted as guys touching girls. If those girls told him to stop than he should stop. If they don’t then he can keep going.
@@superawesomecaillougod6664 i think its the other way around ppl feel more comfortable with the same sex than with opposite even for guys i see guys do things to each other that they would never with girls that they barely know
The moment Jamal stepped in, I would have defended Aaron and called Jamal a self righteous prick. I hate people who can't think beyond the popular morals and values
@@tjwilkerson2589 in what way was he out of line? His comment made perfect sense. If it was that big, everyone would have known about it. Jamal didn't use his brain and just went along with what dum woke logic being fed to him.
The producers should have pulled him from the game based on the footage of him playing with Kellie's hair alone. As a guy we know that is not ok we don't need to be told.
Thank you. Is it really that difficult to keep your hands to yourself? I'm female and I know not to touch anyone, especially colleagues and/or people (women and men) I am not close/intimate with without their consent. It's not okay. That should be obvious. And the fact that Dan behaved this way when he knew he was being recorded is even more disturbing, and makes me wonder how far he's gone when no one was watching. He's despicable, and so are the women that tried to use this shit for a leg up in the game. It's gross behavior all the way around.
He was just playing with her hair...I think she was playing it up cuz u can tell keller is one of those feminist types with a loud mouth that wants to be heard. But dan, c'mon man, dont be touching her hair...u gonna get your life fucked by some bs
Bro Kellee said she wanted Dan to stay. Production asked her if she was uncomfortable and she said everything was fine. What the hell is production supposed to do in that sense?
@@SonicGlitchmaster1 Yeah, no. Kellee wanted Dan gone but worried it would impact her game, so she kept her mouth mostly shut and dealt with extreme discomfort and fear because without it her chances of winning would be zilch. Very sad.
"we are not entitled to be hypocrites by having people cater to our feelings first and formemost and ignore responsibility while demanding equality just because we're women". This is more right.
@@meowaboutit manipulating what I said? Typical feminist move right there. What I said was.. "demanding equality *WHILE IGNORING RESPONSIBILITY*". Thank you and goodbye. 😊
The women in this season ought to be ashamed of themselves. They talked about inapropriate behavior by Dan and then backtracked to stay in the game. SHAME ON THEM and shame on creepy Dan
The crazy part is Janet is being shamed saying she’s taking a serious situation like this and trying to spin it for her own gain in the game. When in reality the girls that were being violated were the ones that were trying to spin it for their gameplay. Not that it makes anything Dan did ok, but it brings so much doubt now into what Dan actually did. Because why would you allow this man to stay if he was doing such bad things to them? It shows how vile Missy and Liz were. Truly disgusting people. Shows little girls that it’s okay for a man to do these things as long as something good is there for you in the end of it.
vial.of.photons are you saying that’s a good thing? they didn’t OFFER sex as a bribe; men like Weinstein said “have sex with me to follow your dream”. that’s on the man, not the woman. even so, you could make the argument that the woman made the choice to do that, but that doesn’t dismiss the countless rape allegations against such men.
Me too.. I was rooting for Elizabeth from the beginning .. But oh well. What Missy and her did is inacceptable. Are they even aware about how bad it it perceived?
Aaron backtracked with I have sisters, I have mother Yeah, as if Harvey Weinstein was not born from a women's womb. Aaron's true color definitely popped up like a goddamn peacock fan of a tail
Nope Aaron was right. If I was there, I would have shut Jamal down and tell him, please don't treat women like kids. They are grown adults. If it's bothering them that much, make a loud noise out of it. No one "woes on me" us men, why should women be treated any special. I thought you want equality. Now, you want to be treated like snowflake kids?
There was a girl I shared a class with in college who asked all of us “as a man, if you were raped by another man would you want the world to know? or even your family and close friends” I looked around the room and saw perspectives change as guys were forced to come to terms with the fact that they knew they would be too embarassed and emasculated to admit it.
While the actions of Elizabeth and missy are terrible and unacceptable, can everyone please remember the video evidence of Kelle being *incredibly* uncomfortable after dan continued to touch her after she told him to stop? After receiving SEVERAL verbal warnings from her? Dan is the wrong here the most, let’s not forget that. While he didn’t make missy or Elizabeth uncomfortable,he *did* make Kellee feel that way, so many of the things that were said about him were true. What my point is is that these things said about him didn’t spring for no where, even if missy and Elizabeth lied about their involvement in the behaviour.
Ya, being a creepy touchy person is bad, and that’s universally understood by a majority of people. Lying about something that serious to paint someone in a worse light than they’ve painted themselves in is another evil altogether. It’d be like accusing someone who’s stolen some food from a grocery store of armed robbery because “they’ve stolen before so them using a gun isn’t out of the realm of possibility.” It makes the two women seem like they have some undiagnosed issues.
For all those focusing on the actions of just the female tribe members: Dan DID inappropriately touch other tribe members. He was spoken to by Kellee in the first episode and by Producers. 100% agree that Missy, Elizabeth, and Lauren’s (to a lesser degree) actions of using this real experience for gameplay was disgusting and needs to be addressed. AND we can simultaneously do that while still knowing that Dan acted inappropriately and appears ignorant to the reality that he DID (not an IF) touched others inappropriately.
The reason everyone is focusing on Liz and Missy is because people are already in agreement that Dan is a worthless scumbag. His actions where indefensible and you're not going to find people making excuses for him. But it needs to be highlighted what Liz and Missy did because of all the focus going to what Dan did. Janet was spit-roasted the next tribal counsel because of their lies, and everyone was coddling Dan like HE was the victim and no one was talking about how Liz and Missy were the liars. It was as strange as it was disgusting. There are 4 camps here: The victim(Kellee), the victim's advocate(Janet), the predator(Dan), and the predators advocates(Liz and Missy). I don't just want the predator punished for this, I want those who defended him punished as well.
Would you consider yourself to be a good person? How many lies have you told, and what do you call someone who lies? Have you ever stolen something, and what do you call someone who steals? Have you ever taken God’s name in vain (very serious; in Old Testament times, the Jews wouldn’t even say the name of God for fear of blasphemy) - even ‘OMG’? One more: Jesus said whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery in his heart; have you ever looked with lust? Well I’m not judging you - but if you’ve done these things then you’re a liar, thief, blasphemer and adulterer-at-heart; that’s how seriously God takes sin. He is Holy (perfectly good/righteous and separate from sin) which means that H e is perfect in justice - and if He were to judge you by the moral law (we’ve already looked at 4 commandments) would you be innocent or guilty? Heaven or Hell? The answer is hell - the wrath of God upon you for your sin. Is that concerning? But fortunately, God’s will is not that you perish. He wants all men everywhere to be saved. So do you know what He did for us guilty sinners? In self-giving mercy, He sent His Son Jesus Christ. He lived the perfect life that we should have lived - tempted at all points and yet He NEVER sinned. Through His life, being in very nature God, He revealed God to men; but we in our hatred condemned Him to death. On that cross as Jesus suffered, He took on the sin of the world and was judged in our place; receiving God’s wrath. You and I broke God’s law, but Jesus paid the fine. God can justly forgive us. On that cross He died, then He was buried, but 3 days later He was raised from the dead - conquering death and Hell and ushering in The Kingdom of God. He then ascended to the right hand of God the Father (where He came from) now Lord of the living and the dead. God has fixed a date when He will judge the world in righteousness. What you need to do is repent (In humility, acknowledge your sin before God and turn to a relationship with Him) and trust ALONE in Jesus Christ and His work on the cross; and God will grant you the gift of the Holy Spirit. Then be baptised. When you place your trust in Jesus - the Lord and Saviour - these things will happen: 1) God will forgive the sins that you have committed; they were paid for by Jesus at the cross. 2) The perfect life that Jesus lived will be credited to you. He will find you holy and blameless on judgement day (and now), as Christ’s righteousness covers you. 3) You receive a place in Christ’s kingdom as an adopted child of God. God becomes your Father. Eternal life isn’t just about living forever, but a personal relationship with God Himself. That life can start now; The Father will reveal Himself to you if you seek Him. 4) God doesn’t just save you from the penalty of your sin (Hell). He can save you from the power of sin itself. Whoever practices sin is a slave of sin; but when you repent and believe the gospel [WHICH HAS BEEN DESCRIBED] the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in you and sanctify you (working in you to further abandon sin and turn to the will of God). When the end of the age comes, and eternity begins, this work will be brought to completion as you are finally freed from the presence of sin. Jesus offers to take away your sin and to give you His righteousness; you must receive it by faith. Choose this day if you will align with the world, or with Jesus and His kingdom - only His is eternal. ROMANS 10:9 - If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
Yeah cuz kids at school are fuckin ruthless....first it'll be his friends cant come over cuz they aren't comfortable with Dan. Then those friends will tell their friends and now this kid whose face was shown on national tv, all while knowing good and well Dan was gonna be booted from the game for inappropriate behavior...and they didnt blur his face or edit out the loved one visit? They should realize they are ruining 2 people's lives by defamation and trying to cover it up by using laser focused days and days of footage and updating us with white text on a black background, that you personally warned Dan...show the footage if you did warn Dan... I'm beyond pissed because this kid has so much shit he should have never had to deal with and go through in this extremely awkward phase of life. I feel sorry for him and really hope CBS is held accountable for their unethical behavior and defamation of character while involving a minor which IMO is criminal.
@@TheNibiru720 It's not defamation of character if there is video evidence to back up the claioms bud. I get what you're saying about his son but you understand that Dan is 100% guilty right? He's not being slandered in any way, he clearly did what he was accussed of doing and it's on camera...
@1:12, so, you see how Janet said she was in the wrong for getting involved. Well, that should end the argument on the opposing side’s part. But instead, Aaron continues to pin blame on Janet. Dude! Shut up! She said she was in the wrong! What do you need to add?! Obviously, Janet is NOT in the wrong, but if she admits it, why is Aaron continuing the argument?!
I haven’t even gotten to this season yet, but Jamal, I appreciate you. So articulate, a simple but powerfully presented statement bringing to light the heart of the issue- thank you for being the kind of man the world needs more of! To reiterate, I have not seen this season yet so I don’t know what did/did not occur, but regardless of whatever that may have been, his statement still rings 100% true. Also if there are any Greys fans out there reading this right now, close your eyes when Jamal talks and then try to convince me that he doesn’t sound exactly like Jackson Avery lol
Honestly, Survivor is nothing like the outside world. Real life isn't a game for a million dollars, real life doesn't have cameras on you 24/7. If there was inappropriate behaviour, then it's on production to monitor and prevent it.
The sexual harassment situation should not have been a part of the game. The fact that the producers didn't nip it in the bud cost Kellee her place in the game. Had it been handled, the whole outcome could have looked completely different. The least they could do is invite her to play again in another season.
Kellee sitting on the jury while the person that was touching her is still in the game. She must have been PISSED that nothing is being done about Dan. It was crazy. I think they should have handled it WAYYYYY earlier than this. He made it sooooo far in the game until he touched ANOTHER crew member "on accident". That was when Survivor is like, "Nevermind, Kellee is right hahahahaha". *Dan is removed*.
Dan, Aaron, Elizabeth, Missy, thats the order I want them gone... Missy at least towards the end seem to have some remorse, still I hope none of them win this.. I'm rooting for you Janet.
people always wonder why women who have experienced things like this are so afraid to speak up. This is an example why, they just get called liars or it was “taken out of context”. Touching a woman anyway she doesn’t want or like to be touched is harassment.
I died inside when he said "I have a mother and two sisters so I'm very sensitive to women's issues". Just because a few people in your life are female doesn't mean you're an expert on women.
Such a disgusting season. I really thought Season 39 would've destoryed the whole Survivor game. I believe that this incident did happen (as survivor even had to ask Dan to leave) and that Missy and that other girl used this real event to obtain some sort of game advantage and to lie about the incident is disgusting. Shame on those two.
It wouldn't destroy Survivor because not everyone is a self righteous prick who is incapable of using their brains. I stand by Aaron, Missy and Elizabeth. Kellee was also at fault for not taking the offer to disqualify him. "Victim blaming" my a$$. Women are not little girls. Learn to take responsibility please.
Well he wasn't able to control himself in front of the camera, we can all just imagine how inappropriate he is IRL. The wife "usually knows", but he just blatantly left the evidence for his (poor!!!) children and his children's friends and parents to see. Disgusting!
It’s sad that I don’t have a favorite “survivor” player for best gameplay But Janet definitely was the best whole-hearted person and even player from this entire season
Wow. Jamal really spoke some truth to get a peer to listen who wasn’t. This is such a sad thing to watch. It does happen just like this in the real world. I’ve seen it. I’ve lived it.
No he didn't. Jamal spoke self righteousness. I stand by Aaron, Missy and Elizabeth because I know how to think and don't just go by the popular morals and values.
I truly admire Janet for having stuck her neck out for these women, even if, for game reasons, they ended up stabbing her in the back. It was duplicitous of them after she defended them, but at the same time, it does nothing to minimize what Janet was attempting to do. She left the game with her honour intact, no question.
Its so disgusting that this was spun on Janet like that, 5 different woman who btw didn't include Janet complained about Dan. Kellee was crying about how he kept touching her after she asked him to stop and was talking to other girls about it happening to them too, the producers showed a bunch of clips of him being inappropriate including touching girls hips and legs or putting his hand around them while they were sleeping. They literally went to Janet to complain to her as she was friends with Dan, Janet said if he did anything again she'd confront him on their behalf. She did confront him and they all acted like they never complained and everyone turned against Janet. The rest of them literally said they didn't want to bring it up because they knew it would have game consequences, Janet did it on their behalf and they turned against her to better their game, that's insane.
Summary: Dan was very touchy, especially with the girls. Some thought it was just his way of showing affection, others thought it was weird. Kelle was very uncomfortable with it. She had a chat with him and asked him to stop. Dan seemed to respond very positively and apologized for making her uncomfortable. However he is seen touching her again a few times (mind you, these weren't inappropriately ways of touching people, but still wrong because she told him not to). Kelle didn't want to make a big deal about it because she was afraid it would ruin her game. Production stepped in and talked to everyone separately to respect boundaries but told Dan he was the reason for the talks and he needed to be more mindful or he would be kicked off. That ended things but Kelle still wanted Dan out. She incorrectly believe the other girls were just as creeped out by Dan as she was. Missy and Elizabeth used the situation to blindside her. They also used it to make Janet look like a traitor to Dan who was one of her closest allies. Janet really liked Dan but wanted the women to feel safe. This tribal was supposed to be the end of it. A few days later, Dan was getting on a boat with Janet after a challenge. He was falling and kept his balance by catching himself on a female producer. Because of his behavior beforehand, production suspected it may not have been an accident and didn't want any lawsuits. They kicked him off the show which shocked everyone as those who saw it, didn't think anything of it. The episodes aired and since we were in the middle of the metoo movement we get people acting like Dan sexually assaulted Kelle. Missy and Elizabeth both got death threats for using the situation to their advantage. At the reunion, many castmates were planning on saying good things about Dan who they believed was rail roaded by production for ratings. They were essentially going to say something along the lines of him being wrong, but still believing he was a good person. Production shut that down as they didn't want the woke mob coming after them and canceling their show. You can find Noura's post game interview at the reunion where she states how she feels about the situation. Let's just say production is happy they didn't ask her about her thoughts at the reunion lol.
I felt so bad for Janet - she has one of the biggest hearts and an excellent moral compass and one of the biggest bullies and entitled castaways in Survivor history (Missy) and her little sidekick/lapdog (Elizabeth) manipulated and used it against her for an issue that goes WAY BEYOND the game of Survivor. While I do get, the whole "it's just a game" and "it's part of the game - lying and manipulating" and I'd be saying the same thing...the line was crossed (not only by Dan), but with them using it to their advantage for a cause that has been made known to so many and affected so many really crossed the line that I blame the producers and others for not stepping in sooner then this whole thing could've been avoided. I'm just glad the bully got what she deserved and her lapdog followed suit right afterwards - karma is a bitch and it bit em both right in their butts and mouths
If anything, this should open our eyes on the fact that some woman will use the victim's card only IF it works to their advantage. I totally agree with one survivor who didn't want to be touched. It should have ended right there. However, the other woman used it to their advantage when it suited them. I'd they were really violated, they whos have voted him out right there and then.
This was my 1st season watching & I liked it yet it was the worse one. I've been sexually assulted 3 times, it was weird. My brother got me (after season 1) to be a Survivor fan. Now I want to be on the show.
It's very layered. Now it has to be said Kellee also wanted Missy gone originally, not Dan first, as much as he is a creepy POS. Edit: I should have added that Kellee may have wanted for CBS to intervene, PERIOD, to get Dan disqualified for legal and safety reasons, and rightfully so, and still get on with her plan to get Missy out
Just the fact that Janet blew up her game for these women, only for them to throw her UTB is disgusting me in so many ways! This episode makes me sick beyond belief!
And I'm happy that Missy ang Elizabeth went home after that
Tropical Terrarium under the bus
CrownRoyalz1 she should’ve said that instead lol
Karen Bowes GOD I WANTED HER TO WIN SO BAD
JANET GOT ROBBED
Janet, you are already winner of this season in my heart...
StanislavyeungHK but Dean has an idol nullifier, so she’s not really guaranteed.
@StanislavyeungHK this comment did not age well
...except for the fact that she hardly played the game and was overall a bland character
No noura won
@@coqui9879 and they don’t want to fight with her in Fire making challenge coz she will for sure win, and if she made it to the final 3, she will win
Thank goodness Jamal and Janet were cast for this season.
jamal was a "white"knight or an african-american of color knight. Good riddance virtue signaling beta sjw
@Salty 556 exactly lmao.think they were trying to do a recapture the "groundbreaking" social awakening that was the Zeke and Varner "outing heard around the world."
Thank goodness Janet was cast for this season* Jamal is just entitled and wants to control how everyone acts, preaching first world problems acting all high and mighty
@Salty 556 am just glad they gave Missy the boot last night after playing the race card. Also don't like that after taking a long time to leave after being voted out she told Elizabeth "now you gotta kill Elaine" in a stage whisper that could have been heard by the others, Jeff & possibly Rob & Sandra. Whether Missy was kidding or not, she needs to have repercussions happen to her IMO>
alexisdiva9 nobody cares
Missy and Elizabeth’s actions in this episode made me sick
Yes, and we can address this also making sure we are addressing Dan, the actual cause of the touching. And we can also simultaneously address Aaron’s victim-blaming and dismissing.
Kevan McDougall I agree Dan is definitely a creep but the girls are also scumbags. I find almost everyone extremely unlikeable and kind of annoying this season. Such a bummer. At least Janet is kind of cool.
It doesn't change the fact that Dan was inappropriately touching them as well. They really were too afraid to let it affect the game. Keller, was the only one with the strength to really admit what he was doing. Its all there for everyone to see in the episodes. He is creepy, and gross, and puts his hands where they should not be.
Dans actions were the ones that made me sick but go ahead and trash on the girls
PREACH it was absolutely disgusting, like yes I understand it is a game for a million but exaggerating a real world problem did not make it okay to “further” them in the game
Jamal, Janet and Kellee are the only 3 who realise the importance of Dans actions and now 2 of them are on the jury and the other is on the bottom
And jeff probst
And Karishma?
Karishma was decent too..
Karishma was decent about it too. She was an outsider to the situation and couldn’t deliver much input, but she still defended Janet for being honest about what she believed had happened.
Dan needs to keep his hands to himself.
The other girls should NOT have used this behavior as part of the game. Somethings are too serious to take lightly.
@AllegedPhilo They were not fake allegations. Those girls backtracked because they were afraid they would lose in the game. Dan is creepy and he was touching all of them in ways he should not have. Kellee is the only one who told the truth and stood up with it.
Chantal Noisin and then he was kicked of the show for touching the producers
@@girlwithiceandfire They both said that they didn't feel unsafe and were ok with Dan.
AllegedPhilo shut up, you sound extremely ignorant
@@Mikey_Mike1 but both happened. He allegedly sexually harassed her and the girls made up sexual assault claims. Both are wrong and we saw both extremes of the situation.
Aaron’s comments are disgusting, just as much as Dan’s. Jamal took my breath away with his simple statement. He gets it, completely. Aaron, sit down, shut up, and listen.
Michaela I hated aaron
Aaron was right
PlaneExpert back it up with evidence
@@daytenhalsey8701 There is a serious problem with this whole #metoo nonsense. Men are now being convicted and put on the guillotine without ever getting a trial. This is not ok and this is why the #himtoo movement was born. I will always stand up for anyone getting accused like that without any evidence.
As for Dan Spilo, it turns out there are footages of Dan touching Kelley a lot and her telling Dan she did not like that so Dan maybe did cross the line there with Kelley. There is no evidence of what happened with the camera woman though. It was wrong for the producers to remove him for that. It sounds like a made up BS story to me.
Michaela how was anything he said offensive
Janet is a HERO in my books ... I hope she WINS !!
She didn't though ☹️
I’d love to see it but no one is gonna take her to the end
She should ok f won. Her mistake was showing that idol too Tommy.
The entire Me Too movement in a nutshell. The good the bad and the ugly. You have the victim who loses by coming forward. You have the perpetrator who was given too many chances. You have the woman who is damned for standing by the victim. You have the ignorant men who feel like they know a lot when they know nothing. And you have women who bring up false charges for personal gain.
Well said.
Completely
“Ignorant men”
Sexist.
@@doge8825 lol u triggered
@@sacremende of course I’m triggered the feminazis are ruining the world accusing innocent men of touching hair and pretending it matters and people are going along with it
Janet is a Queen! She’s the only one I like in this season that is still in the game
Jamal is a king
vial.of.photons Yes cause real men stay silent and won’t stand up to other men in defense of women. Lol. You just sound like a coward to me. Slime balls sit back and let women get treated that way by other men. Creeps. Cowards. You have it all twisted bud. Men who are obsessed with calling other men, ‘beta males’ and whites knights’ for any sort of virtuous behavior that involves women, are just angry at women and insecure about their manhood. If you’re so worried about being a pussy, you might want to reevaluate your bullshit. Don’t be brainwashed by men who just hate women and only care about their own asses. They are just really bitter. Hardly exemplary representations of ‘manhood’. Lol
a Fans vs favorites 3 might possibly be a chance to bring them back.
I hated how they all pretty much turned on her because they felt their games were being threatened. This should of been the one time to separate GAME from PERSONAL
the game is always about winning, no matter what happens. Get over it
@@hooliganfanatic7241 are you serious? This is a serious/sensitive subject! This goes beyond the game!
@@hooliganfanatic7241 the safety of others should come before winning anything.
I don't think it's really fair to say they all turned on her. It was really just Aaron and the two women. Everyone else either stuck up for Janet or stayed out of it
@@miss.vickies cope
Aaron was such a jerk. He just spewed so much arrogance, venom, and narcissism, that it’s sickening. He posted an apology on Twitter, but for some reason I just don’t buy it. Maybe half of his apology is sincere BUT the other part of it just didn’t feel right. It’s difficult to put together the uber chauvinist arrogant supercilious Aaron at tribal council, and the macho masculine Aron turning the tables showing sensitivity and crying in his apology.
I'm pretty sure they made him apologize. Glad he's on the jury :>
"Uh-oh aaron" -- The Queen
These guys are real reasons culprits are roaming free coz they know the truth and still prefer to help them.
What did he say on his twitter? Was it taken down now?
Eww you use Twitter
Aaron's commentary and tone towards Janet was disgusting.
Your begging for female attention is disgusting. A man hating feminist is probably threatening to break up with you if you don't write this comment. Lol
What Aaron said was right, whether you like it or not. He was just playing devil’s advocate that’s why people aren’t fond of him.
@@Beachteach610 I agree
Aaron was a 3rd party perspective here, meaning that his to account Dan too (wrong or right either way he is expected to be critical about it)
Missy and Elizabeth is what getting in my nerves here... but it's also expected, it's a game. They did what's best for them at that moment. (Destroying Dan and Janet game at the same time)
"i have a mother and a sister and i work with women. I am VERY SENSITIVE to this issue." Oh my God 🙄
This is one of those “I’m not racist! I have black friends! “ kinda arguments lmao
I think you both completely perceived this entire line as a somewhat narcissistic comment, you could not be more wrong, Jamal was saying his life has women on every turn and with that comes respect and sympathy, you 2 just decided to make a joke out of it and if I were either of you I would delete your comments bc Jamal clearly has respect for the women around him, and you scumbags decided to make that a villainous trait by taking it completely out of context and then making it relatable with the joke, to both of you go shove your out of context quotes up your ass
Rory O' Donnell just to summarize what you said.
“Respecting women” gives him the right to be ignorant? The cameras showed everything that happened and this guy had the audacity to say “I didn’t see it, therefore it didn’t happen” and completely try to shut it down without hearing the other side out so I don’t see your point.
Also stop talking out of your ass when you have a perfectly fine mouth. No need for the name calling and 3 year old tantrums, were all adults here so start acting like one.
You realize though that they themselves admitted that it was all a lie to get ahead in the game?
@@luryknadel kellee was telling the truth tho
For those who don't know, or can't remember what happened here, this is the breakdown:
Dan was a touchy-feely player with the girls. (Note: the younger ones, not Janet.) Even when hinted to stop (usually they pulled away or retained space), he refrained for a short time, but soon after started it up again. Rubbing their shoulders, touching their hair, arm around their waists, etc. This was notably first addressed by Kellee Kim, who you see sitting on the jury. Kellee's decision to place a complaint fueled Dan to get her voted out of the game. As you can see -- it worked. After this, Dan continued to be inappropriate with personal space.
Missy and Elizabeth saw an opportunity to target Dan, by making up a story that he had been making them feel uncomfortable. Janet was an ally of Dan's (mainly because they were the two older players), but also had a quality about her that the girls found they could trust, like a mother. They confide in Janet that they are being harassed by Dan, even though it's a concocted story, yet believable considering what just happened to Kellee Kim. Janet believed their story.
Janet decided, for the good of the game and to protect the girls, she would go against her alliance and vote Dan off so that they were felt more safe. Remember: this move by Missy and Elizabeth would badly affect Janet no matter what. Had she sided with Dan, she would appear socially (and likely globally with the show's viewers) to be complacent where sexual harassment was concerned. But siding with the girls was morally the right thing to do, even if it damaged her alliance.
Either way, the #MeToo movement was the theme of this season, and Dan would be made an example of. What ended up happening hurt the movement as we witnessed two girls take advantage of a man in order to propel their position within the game -- all the while, needing to believe the victims was crucial. While Dan was certainly touchy-feely, the allegations that Missy and Elizabeth made were untrue. Believing the victims was never more questioned as the two girls proved that they could play the victim card to get what they wanted, knowing that people should blindly believe them. In the end, the girls put out a scripted public apology on their Twitter accounts, and left it at that.
Actions taken by all, starting with Dan who didn't understand boundaries, to the women who concocted a story to catapult the situation further, and to the show's producers who used the #MeToo movement for ratings did no one any good. The victims here were Kellee, who tried to say something and was voted out. And Janet, who tried to help, but her likability -- especially regarding this situation, made her too much of a threat and eventually was voted out because of it. Also affected: the women around the world who watched this unravel, who may question whether or not it is wise to speak up at all about their own sexual harassments or sexual assaults.
I appreciate the breakdown because I didn't watch this season. Thanks
Not a single word gone to waste. Detailed, yet succinct. Very well said Ms. Canadian
@@errinfrancis743 i was thinking the exact same thing
Dan had also inappropriately touched a crewmember/producer afterwards which ultimately contributed to him getting nixed
I just began watching this season a few years after it aired, and literally paused mid tribal council to search how it was received when it happened on youtube. This comment captures exactly what happened. Thank you for the breakdown, was starting to think I might have misinterpreted what I thought happened.
Janet is the nicest person on this cast. Great woman!
She's also the dumbest. I think I know which one matters more in my book.
@@melaniewelch7060 how is she the dumbest
And Jamal
Dan misbehaves & Jamal gets eliminated.
This kind of reminds me of “To kill a mockingbird “.
The father misbehave & Tom gets killed.
you spoiled the book for me ):
Chantal Noisin I just read it but wtf
Completely unrelated note but thank you, now I don't have to do my summer reading.
That’s a great comparison. A+.
The thing I find most disgusting about this is how Kellee can’t talk about it, it’s literally silencing the victim.
She was offered but she said no cuz she felt that it broke the rules
Rules of what? She was offered so of course she should have taken the opportunity. The thing I don't like about these "me too" feminist groups is that they don't want to give women responsibility yet have the audacity to say they want equality. Women should be kids according to feminists.
Literally
@@liamroberts2576 she actually can talk about it and was offered to disqualify Dan but she didn't. Of course social justice warriors in the comments section will treat her like a kid and not a grown woman by relieving her of any responsibilities. It's never a woman's fault.
@@woodykusaki9970 Well the show did not present that part of the story to us and some of us don’t know every fact about a TV show that aired something like 3 years ago. If I did know that fact I would assume she stayed silent to avoid direct confrontation as well as more scrutiny and didn’t leave the jury possibly due to the possibility of it breaking a contractual obligation. But at the end of the day idk why she did those things but I can try to find empathy for her because I’m a decent human being not because I’m a social justice warrior… such a heated @ me for me literally writing “Literally” lmao. 🤣
Aaron pissed me off in this episode
_unhappymeal me too, I was so glad he got voted out next episode.
To his credit, he did apologize sincerely for what he said here. But it definitely doesn't reflect well on him.
he pissed me off all season
No one cares my dear.
@@woodykusaki9970 obviously you do considering you responded to a comment from 3 years ago
He doesn’t touch the boys, he isn’t 'just a loving person' someone needs to investigate him.
she should run and tell mommy and daddy too
Have a nice Dave sorry? what do mean by that
As much as I agree that he did wrong. For guys to touch other guys like hugging, kissing, etc. isn’t as socially accepted as guys touching girls. If those girls told him to stop than he should stop. If they don’t then he can keep going.
@@superawesomecaillougod6664 i think its the other way around ppl feel more comfortable with the same sex than with opposite even for guys i see guys do things to each other that they would never with girls that they barely know
@@superawesomecaillougod6664 thats actually wrong. Its way more socially acceptable to touch the same sex over the opposite.
Glad that Jamal stepped in for Janet. It was starting to get uncomfortable how Aaron was shifting the narrative, and no one was trying to help her.
The moment Jamal stepped in, I would have defended Aaron and called Jamal a self righteous prick. I hate people who can't think beyond the popular morals and values
@@woodykusaki9970 popular morals and values Janet literally thought Dan was assaulting women bro
@@Josh-hv2ze that's what Janet thought. Aftershow everyone else stayed silent and Noura explained the situation very well.
@@woodykusaki9970 you would be the prick for defending Aaron lmao. What Aaron said was out of line
@@tjwilkerson2589 in what way was he out of line? His comment made perfect sense. If it was that big, everyone would have known about it. Jamal didn't use his brain and just went along with what dum woke logic being fed to him.
The producers should have pulled him from the game based on the footage of him playing with Kellie's hair alone. As a guy we know that is not ok we don't need to be told.
Thank you. Is it really that difficult to keep your hands to yourself? I'm female and I know not to touch anyone, especially colleagues and/or people (women and men) I am not close/intimate with without their consent. It's not okay. That should be obvious. And the fact that Dan behaved this way when he knew he was being recorded is even more disturbing, and makes me wonder how far he's gone when no one was watching. He's despicable, and so are the women that tried to use this shit for a leg up in the game. It's gross behavior all the way around.
omg, you people are insane.
He was just playing with her hair...I think she was playing it up cuz u can tell keller is one of those feminist types with a loud mouth that wants to be heard. But dan, c'mon man, dont be touching her hair...u gonna get your life fucked by some bs
Bro Kellee said she wanted Dan to stay. Production asked her if she was uncomfortable and she said everything was fine. What the hell is production supposed to do in that sense?
@@SonicGlitchmaster1 Yeah, no. Kellee wanted Dan gone but worried it would impact her game, so she kept her mouth mostly shut and dealt with extreme discomfort and fear because without it her chances of winning would be zilch. Very sad.
"We are not entitled to know things just because we're men or just because we're in power"... Can't be more right than that
"we are not entitled to be hypocrites by having people cater to our feelings first and formemost and ignore responsibility while demanding equality just because we're women". This is more right.
@@woodykusaki9970 👏👏👏 WELL DONE 👍✅
@@woodykusaki9970 “demanding equality just for being women” god forbid…equality…terrifying !!! triggered much snowflake?
@@meowaboutit manipulating what I said? Typical feminist move right there. What I said was.. "demanding equality *WHILE IGNORING RESPONSIBILITY*". Thank you and goodbye. 😊
@@woodykusaki9970 god dang if I could buy you a drink I would
The women in this season ought to be ashamed of themselves. They talked about inapropriate behavior by Dan and then backtracked to stay in the game. SHAME ON THEM and shame on creepy Dan
You ought to be ashamed of yourself Meagan forcing your self righteous morals on others.
What the hell did Noura and Karishma do?
Jamal and Janet deserve a gold medal. Thank goodness we have people like that still.
Still can't get over how arrogant Aaron was during this tribal
You're 10x more arrogant than him for being a self righteous prick.
he said innocent until proven guilty. you only come hate on him now because he was guilty
The crazy part is Janet is being shamed saying she’s taking a serious situation like this and trying to spin it for her own gain in the game. When in reality the girls that were being violated were the ones that were trying to spin it for their gameplay. Not that it makes anything Dan did ok, but it brings so much doubt now into what Dan actually did. Because why would you allow this man to stay if he was doing such bad things to them? It shows how vile Missy and Liz were. Truly disgusting people. Shows little girls that it’s okay for a man to do these things as long as something good is there for you in the end of it.
Funny in a creepy kinda way that the gross guy who brought #Metoo to the topic of survivor was a Hollywood talent manager.
vial.of.photons
are you saying that’s a good thing? they didn’t OFFER sex as a bribe; men like Weinstein said “have sex with me to follow your dream”. that’s on the man, not the woman. even so, you could make the argument that the woman made the choice to do that, but that doesn’t dismiss the countless rape allegations against such men.
vial.of.photons Whats your full name so people know to stay away from you?
Eventhough this tribal council was disgusting, I felt so satisfied when Aaron, Missy and Elizabeth were the next 3 boots.
I JUST WANT TO POKE A SHARP STICK TO AARONS EYES WHEN JANET WAS TALKING
Lost so much respect for Aaron, Missy, Elizabeth, this episode which sucked because they were in my top 5
Me too.. I was rooting for Elizabeth from the beginning .. But oh well. What Missy and her did is inacceptable. Are they even aware about how bad it it perceived?
@@nourameliani5723 same! Elizabeth was my FAVORITE since day one! Last time I liked someone that much was Michaela from MvGen-X!
I was esp. disappointed by Elizabeth because I thought she was a nice girl. Seeing is deceiving.
Aaron backtracked with I have sisters, I have mother
Yeah, as if Harvey Weinstein was not born from a women's womb.
Aaron's true color definitely popped up like a goddamn peacock fan of a tail
Nope Aaron was right. If I was there, I would have shut Jamal down and tell him, please don't treat women like kids. They are grown adults. If it's bothering them that much, make a loud noise out of it. No one "woes on me" us men, why should women be treated any special. I thought you want equality. Now, you want to be treated like snowflake kids?
There was a girl I shared a class with in college who asked all of us “as a man, if you were raped by another man would you want the world to know? or even your family and close friends”
I looked around the room and saw perspectives change as guys were forced to come to terms with the fact that they knew they would be too embarassed and emasculated to admit it.
While the actions of Elizabeth and missy are terrible and unacceptable, can everyone please remember the video evidence of Kelle being *incredibly* uncomfortable after dan continued to touch her after she told him to stop? After receiving SEVERAL verbal warnings from her? Dan is the wrong here the most, let’s not forget that.
While he didn’t make missy or Elizabeth uncomfortable,he *did* make Kellee feel that way, so many of the things that were said about him were true.
What my point is is that these things said about him didn’t spring for no where, even if missy and Elizabeth lied about their involvement in the behaviour.
Ya, being a creepy touchy person is bad, and that’s universally understood by a majority of people. Lying about something that serious to paint someone in a worse light than they’ve painted themselves in is another evil altogether. It’d be like accusing someone who’s stolen some food from a grocery store of armed robbery because “they’ve stolen before so them using a gun isn’t out of the realm of possibility.” It makes the two women seem like they have some undiagnosed issues.
For all those focusing on the actions of just the female tribe members:
Dan DID inappropriately touch other tribe members. He was spoken to by Kellee in the first episode and by Producers. 100% agree that Missy, Elizabeth, and Lauren’s (to a lesser degree) actions of using this real experience for gameplay was disgusting and needs to be addressed. AND we can simultaneously do that while still knowing that Dan acted inappropriately and appears ignorant to the reality that he DID (not an IF) touched others inappropriately.
The reason everyone is focusing on Liz and Missy is because people are already in agreement that Dan is a worthless scumbag. His actions where indefensible and you're not going to find people making excuses for him.
But it needs to be highlighted what Liz and Missy did because of all the focus going to what Dan did. Janet was spit-roasted the next tribal counsel because of their lies, and everyone was coddling Dan like HE was the victim and no one was talking about how Liz and Missy were the liars. It was as strange as it was disgusting.
There are 4 camps here: The victim(Kellee), the victim's advocate(Janet), the predator(Dan), and the predators advocates(Liz and Missy). I don't just want the predator punished for this, I want those who defended him punished as well.
Uh Lauren did nothing
Dan just ruined the season omfg
Dan but also Aaron, Missy, Elizabeth.
Would you consider yourself to be a good person?
How many lies have you told, and what do you call someone who lies? Have you ever stolen something, and what do you call someone who steals? Have you ever taken God’s name in vain (very serious; in Old Testament times, the Jews wouldn’t even say the name of God for fear of blasphemy) - even ‘OMG’? One more: Jesus said whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery in his heart; have you ever looked with lust?
Well I’m not judging you - but if you’ve done these things then you’re a liar, thief, blasphemer and adulterer-at-heart; that’s how seriously God takes sin. He is Holy (perfectly good/righteous and separate from sin) which means that H e is perfect in justice - and if He were to judge you by the moral law (we’ve already looked at 4 commandments) would you be innocent or guilty? Heaven or Hell? The answer is hell - the wrath of God upon you for your sin. Is that concerning?
But fortunately, God’s will is not that you perish. He wants all men everywhere to be saved. So do you know what He did for us guilty sinners? In self-giving mercy, He sent His Son Jesus Christ. He lived the perfect life that we should have lived - tempted at all points and yet He NEVER sinned. Through His life, being in very nature God, He revealed God to men; but we in our hatred condemned Him to death. On that cross as Jesus suffered, He took on the sin of the world and was judged in our place; receiving God’s wrath. You and I broke God’s law, but Jesus paid the fine. God can justly forgive us.
On that cross He died, then He was buried, but 3 days later He was raised from the dead - conquering death and Hell and ushering in The Kingdom of God. He then ascended to the right hand of God the Father (where He came from) now Lord of the living and the dead. God has fixed a date when He will judge the world in righteousness. What you need to do is repent (In humility, acknowledge your sin before God and turn to a relationship with Him) and trust ALONE in Jesus Christ and His work on the cross; and God will grant you the gift of the Holy Spirit. Then be baptised.
When you place your trust in Jesus - the Lord and Saviour - these things will happen:
1) God will forgive the sins that you have committed; they were paid for by Jesus at the cross.
2) The perfect life that Jesus lived will be credited to you. He will find you holy and blameless on judgement day (and now), as Christ’s righteousness covers you.
3) You receive a place in Christ’s kingdom as an adopted child of God. God becomes your Father. Eternal life isn’t just about living forever, but a personal relationship with God Himself. That life can start now; The Father will reveal Himself to you if you seek Him.
4) God doesn’t just save you from the penalty of your sin (Hell). He can save you from the power of sin itself. Whoever practices sin is a slave of sin; but when you repent and believe the gospel [WHICH HAS BEEN DESCRIBED] the Holy Spirit comes to dwell in you and sanctify you (working in you to further abandon sin and turn to the will of God). When the end of the age comes, and eternity begins, this work will be brought to completion as you are finally freed from the presence of sin.
Jesus offers to take away your sin and to give you His righteousness; you must receive it by faith. Choose this day if you will align with the world, or with Jesus and His kingdom - only His is eternal.
ROMANS 10:9 - If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved
Dan just got expelled... dang
Sucks that it took him touching a producer or a staff member for them to get rid of him.
Yeah cuz kids at school are fuckin ruthless....first it'll be his friends cant come over cuz they aren't comfortable with Dan.
Then those friends will tell their friends and now this kid whose face was shown on national tv, all while knowing good and well Dan was gonna be booted from the game for inappropriate behavior...and they didnt blur his face or edit out the loved one visit?
They should realize they are ruining 2 people's lives by defamation and trying to cover it up by using laser focused days and days of footage and updating us with white text on a black background, that you personally warned Dan...show the footage if you did warn Dan...
I'm beyond pissed because this kid has so much shit he should have never had to deal with and go through in this extremely awkward phase of life. I feel sorry for him and really hope CBS is held accountable for their unethical behavior and defamation of character while involving a minor which IMO is criminal.
@@TheNibiru720 It's not defamation of character if there is video evidence to back up the claioms bud. I get what you're saying about his son but you understand that Dan is 100% guilty right? He's not being slandered in any way, he clearly did what he was accussed of doing and it's on camera...
No one has ever made me more mad and disgusted than Elizabeth and Missy lying like that
even the girls basically called her a liar... that can be very damaging to someone especially when smth traumatic happens and no one believes them
@1:12, so, you see how Janet said she was in the wrong for getting involved. Well, that should end the argument on the opposing side’s part. But instead, Aaron continues to pin blame on Janet. Dude! Shut up! She said she was in the wrong! What do you need to add?! Obviously, Janet is NOT in the wrong, but if she admits it, why is Aaron continuing the argument?!
Hes a tool
It’s so weird that Aaron legitimately thought that because Janet perceived the situation differently she’s just completely wrong
I haven’t even gotten to this season yet, but Jamal, I appreciate you. So articulate, a simple but powerfully presented statement bringing to light the heart of the issue- thank you for being the kind of man the world needs more of!
To reiterate, I have not seen this season yet so I don’t know what did/did not occur, but regardless of whatever that may have been, his statement still rings 100% true.
Also if there are any Greys fans out there reading this right now, close your eyes when Jamal talks and then try to convince me that he doesn’t sound exactly like Jackson Avery lol
Dan = Creep. Should have never been kept in the game as long as he was.
Honestly, Survivor is nothing like the outside world. Real life isn't a game for a million dollars, real life doesn't have cameras on you 24/7. If there was inappropriate behaviour, then it's on production to monitor and prevent it.
The sexual harassment situation should not have been a part of the game. The fact that the producers didn't nip it in the bud cost Kellee her place in the game. Had it been handled, the whole outcome could have looked completely different. The least they could do is invite her to play again in another season.
I feel like Tommy, Dean, Lauren, and Elaine deserve to be called out for voting to keep Dan, they enabled him.
Janet need to win this season
Dan Spilo should’ve honestly been removed from the beginning
Kellee sitting on the jury while the person that was touching her is still in the game. She must have been PISSED that nothing is being done about Dan. It was crazy. I think they should have handled it WAYYYYY earlier than this. He made it sooooo far in the game until he touched ANOTHER crew member "on accident". That was when Survivor is like, "Nevermind, Kellee is right hahahahaha". *Dan is removed*.
This did not age well...
Dude it’s like a year old.
Dan, Aaron, Elizabeth, Missy, thats the order I want them gone... Missy at least towards the end seem to have some remorse, still I hope none of them win this.. I'm rooting for you Janet.
Noura understands too
Well 3/4 of those listed are out all in a row too. Sadly, just Dan remains...
Lauren, too, should be gone
Jamal, Janet, and Kellee
Nothing but respect for my Justice League
people always wonder why women who have experienced things like this are so afraid to speak up. This is an example why, they just get called liars or it was “taken out of context”. Touching a woman anyway she doesn’t want or like to be touched is harassment.
Men get made fun of if they speak up most, if not all of the time. At least women will always have someone that’ll listen.
I died inside when he said "I have a mother and two sisters so I'm very sensitive to women's issues". Just because a few people in your life are female doesn't mean you're an expert on women.
Such a disgusting season. I really thought Season 39 would've destoryed the whole Survivor game. I believe that this incident did happen (as survivor even had to ask Dan to leave) and that Missy and that other girl used this real event to obtain some sort of game advantage and to lie about the incident is disgusting. Shame on those two.
It wouldn't destroy Survivor because not everyone is a self righteous prick who is incapable of using their brains. I stand by Aaron, Missy and Elizabeth. Kellee was also at fault for not taking the offer to disqualify him. "Victim blaming" my a$$. Women are not little girls. Learn to take responsibility please.
I salute Jamal from speaking up! Kudos!
I really wanted to like Missy! But using this situation to benefit your personal game is sickening
*Me sitting on the couch eating McDonald’s and crying*
JANET MY QUEEN, DONT LISTEN TO THEM
The fact that Dan has a wife and still has the audacity to do such a thing, not just that; he has a child ffs. So disgusted at his behaviour.
Well he wasn't able to control himself in front of the camera, we can all just imagine how inappropriate he is IRL. The wife "usually knows", but he just blatantly left the evidence for his (poor!!!) children and his children's friends and parents to see. Disgusting!
2:16 KINGGGGGG
it’s a shame that Jamal was voted off
Yeah Jamal was self righteous this scene. I loved that he was voted off.
It’s sad that I don’t have a favorite “survivor” player for best gameplay
But Janet definitely was the best whole-hearted person and even player from this entire season
Wow. Jamal really spoke some truth to get a peer to listen who wasn’t. This is such a sad thing to watch. It does happen just like this in the real world. I’ve seen it. I’ve lived it.
No he didn't. Jamal spoke self righteousness. I stand by Aaron, Missy and Elizabeth because I know how to think and don't just go by the popular morals and values.
I love Janet and Jamal in this episode.
2:23 amen thank you Jamal 🙏
I am disgusted with those young girls Janet was looking out of them in a safety!!
Put up with a pervert to get ahead in life. Great game play!! THINKS NO ONE!!!
This is gross. Janet is too pure for this
I've got a mother is such an aggravating line every single time lmao rarghhh
Janet, Jamal and Kellee are heroes period.
Jamal, the only man I will listen to and respect on survivor.
I'm glad society is shining a light on this kind of behavior by women finally
I guess you’re mad that no woman wants to date you incel.
zack19192 ok incel tears poster
EsotericOccultist shows that a lot of metoo accusations are false
I truly admire Janet for having stuck her neck out for these women, even if, for game reasons, they ended up stabbing her in the back. It was duplicitous of them after she defended them, but at the same time, it does nothing to minimize what Janet was attempting to do. She left the game with her honour intact, no question.
Thank you Jamal for that extra powerful and moving speech
Jamal used to teach at my school. He’s honestly one of the best people I’ve ever met
@@IceW0lf198 Yep, I went to the all girls school he mentioned. When I first typed the comment I put in Mr. Shipman by instinct
@@IceW0lf198 He was in admissions but also did a lot with student reach out
Jamal is the loml, he is absolutely amazing
Janet is a 👑
Ah Jamal. What a champ!
Jamal is a MAN! Has my respect! Good job!
And they voted out Jamal.. when he was one of the few good people in this… disgusting..
Janet and Jamal are the only ray of light this tribal
Jamal cashing in on those tasty tasty woke points
Its so disgusting that this was spun on Janet like that, 5 different woman who btw didn't include Janet complained about Dan. Kellee was crying about how he kept touching her after she asked him to stop and was talking to other girls about it happening to them too, the producers showed a bunch of clips of him being inappropriate including touching girls hips and legs or putting his hand around them while they were sleeping. They literally went to Janet to complain to her as she was friends with Dan, Janet said if he did anything again she'd confront him on their behalf. She did confront him and they all acted like they never complained and everyone turned against Janet. The rest of them literally said they didn't want to bring it up because they knew it would have game consequences, Janet did it on their behalf and they turned against her to better their game, that's insane.
Jamal and Janet speaking some truths!
This is one of the worst moments in tv history. People don't hate CBS / Survivor enough for this garbage
Why is it that a lot of guys’ first line of defense is the fact that he has women in his life?
This season was so akward! Worst season ever !
But Respect for Janet!
I never finished watching this season, i couldn’t handle it . it was too disgusting :(
Summary:
Dan was very touchy, especially with the girls. Some thought it was just his way of showing affection, others thought it was weird. Kelle was very uncomfortable with it. She had a chat with him and asked him to stop. Dan seemed to respond very positively and apologized for making her uncomfortable. However he is seen touching her again a few times (mind you, these weren't inappropriately ways of touching people, but still wrong because she told him not to). Kelle didn't want to make a big deal about it because she was afraid it would ruin her game. Production stepped in and talked to everyone separately to respect boundaries but told Dan he was the reason for the talks and he needed to be more mindful or he would be kicked off. That ended things but Kelle still wanted Dan out. She incorrectly believe the other girls were just as creeped out by Dan as she was. Missy and Elizabeth used the situation to blindside her. They also used it to make Janet look like a traitor to Dan who was one of her closest allies. Janet really liked Dan but wanted the women to feel safe. This tribal was supposed to be the end of it.
A few days later, Dan was getting on a boat with Janet after a challenge. He was falling and kept his balance by catching himself on a female producer. Because of his behavior beforehand, production suspected it may not have been an accident and didn't want any lawsuits. They kicked him off the show which shocked everyone as those who saw it, didn't think anything of it.
The episodes aired and since we were in the middle of the metoo movement we get people acting like Dan sexually assaulted Kelle. Missy and Elizabeth both got death threats for using the situation to their advantage. At the reunion, many castmates were planning on saying good things about Dan who they believed was rail roaded by production for ratings. They were essentially going to say something along the lines of him being wrong, but still believing he was a good person. Production shut that down as they didn't want the woke mob coming after them and canceling their show. You can find Noura's post game interview at the reunion where she states how she feels about the situation. Let's just say production is happy they didn't ask her about her thoughts at the reunion lol.
I felt so bad for Janet - she has one of the biggest hearts and an excellent moral compass and one of the biggest bullies and entitled castaways in Survivor history (Missy) and her little sidekick/lapdog (Elizabeth) manipulated and used it against her for an issue that goes WAY BEYOND the game of Survivor.
While I do get, the whole "it's just a game" and "it's part of the game - lying and manipulating" and I'd be saying the same thing...the line was crossed (not only by Dan), but with them using it to their advantage for a cause that has been made known to so many and affected so many really crossed the line that I blame the producers and others for not stepping in sooner then this whole thing could've been avoided.
I'm just glad the bully got what she deserved and her lapdog followed suit right afterwards - karma is a bitch and it bit em both right in their butts and mouths
Why Tf was missy and elizabeth not speaking out like tf
If anything, this should open our eyes on the fact that some woman will use the victim's card only IF it works to their advantage. I totally agree with one survivor who didn't want to be touched. It should have ended right there. However, the other woman used it to their advantage when it suited them. I'd they were really violated, they whos have voted him out right there and then.
Dan stillo is the worst player in survivor history. He is the only player to ever be EJECTED from the game
🤢 this season 🤢
This was my 1st season watching & I liked it yet it was the worse one. I've been sexually assulted 3 times, it was weird. My brother got me (after season 1) to be a Survivor fan. Now I want to be on the show.
It's very layered. Now it has to be said Kellee also wanted Missy gone originally, not Dan first, as much as he is a creepy POS. Edit: I should have added that Kellee may have wanted for CBS to intervene, PERIOD, to get Dan disqualified for legal and safety reasons, and rightfully so, and still get on with her plan to get Missy out
Aaron, Missy, Elizabeth all got bit by karma and were sent back to back to back :) I love happy endings
What a sweet taste of karmic episodes :)
Wait what happened in this tribal council/episode because I live in Australia and I can’t watch it!
Aaron is being ignorant, because HELLO regardless of it being show, someone got hurt because of someone’s actions.
Believe all women, yeah right. They are like Al Pacino in Scareface "Me, I always tell the truth, even when I lie". And women goes #Metoo