Hanomag 251 - Steed of the Panzergrenadiers
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2021
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Do you have a favourite armoured half-track? I have a look at 251s inside and out, and at all its variants. Examples from Bovington, re-enactments, and my models.
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From the comments, I have learned that the 'OT' in 'OT-810' stood for "Obrněný Transportér" in Czech, which means, rather predictably, 'armoured vehicle', Also, it seems that the Czechoslovakian factory that made them is now in Slovakia, after the break up of the country (or 'Velvet Divorce') in 1993.
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I need to go to sleep.. But this is more important!
Same 😂😂😂
Yes!
if you don't watch it, it's heresy
It's 4 am for me
Yep
This is legit the highest production value Lloyd’s ever made in that single ad block.
Yeah the advert he did was worth £40k. He probs got £1200 quid. Lol. He’s a bit nutty and over excitable! Easy to mug off lol. I like his enthusiasm but he does RANT a lot. Poor wife. Over the breakfast table. Look look see this egg. We didn’t get eggs like this in my imaginary Dream world tank platoon. Blah blah. 🤪
Nice stick work.
I dare say so myself!
This is what made me laugh and truly enjoy this video
If I weren't a broken man on a Halifax pier, I'd have three VPN accounts by now.
"Hanomagnituitous." That's why we like Lindybeige.
His flashing linguistic fluidities, quench thirsts for expressive alacrity.
May I also note that halftracks weren't only just used for their simplicity compared to tanks. It was also because it is much faster to train drivers to drive with a steering wheel than to use the differential track movements like in tanks.
The US half track is cheaper, faster and easier to build and it's easier to repair and more reliable. Just like the Brits Rommel ended up appreciating US armor reliablity and ease of use. Rommel used a US half track personally after capturing some of them at the Kasserine Pass.
How many soliders can you cramp into a tank and how will they enter this vehicle? have a look at the ram ,it t`s not fun to climb over the sidwall if someone shoots at you that very moment!!
@@readhistory2023 I'd have to disagree. The US half track was based on a 4WD truck with driven front wheels so it needed a transfer case to split the drive shaft and a differential on the front wheels. That's 3 differentials instead of 1 and CV joints for each front wheel.
-The Germans couldn't afford that many machine tools.
-The German half track was simply a 2WD truck transmission. The only additions was that a outside of a 15 degree turn a hydraulic brake mechanism applied pressure to the inside rear drive wheel to assist the turn. This was adjustable. No complexity there, just a minor brake modification. The differential could also be locked. If the front wheels were destroyed the German vehicle could operate without them on brake steering alone but in the US vehicle the front driven wheels were essential.
-The US vehicle used all rubber tracks. The Germans had rubber tires on the wheels and even rubber pads on the track but every 100km or so you had to get an oil can to oil each track joint. In the US half track the track was all rubber and needed no oiling. This is why the US vehicles were easier to service. The Germans didn't have the kind of rubber needed to do this as they lacked natural rubber.
so what@@readhistory2023
@@readhistory2023 so what
Ah, be grateful, poor cameraman was obviously trying to record you in your full grace :/
I believe camera operators try to keep the subject centered in the shot, and typically that's the person talking. The camera person probably didn't realize that the main focus should be the vehicle and that it was ok for Lindy to be at the edge of the shop. A brief conversation could have cleared this up I'm guessing. Lindy is nicely centered and with a good eyeline the entire shoot indeed.
Are you the cameraman? Be honest
@@omenran there is the one third rule. A narrator shouldn't be in the center, but when he is moving towards the camera. It is not that appealing, when the subject is on the center, but for educational purposes.
@@ragnarokgzlr8522 the shot composition is two thirds Hanomag 251 and one third Lindybiege and back wall of garage. the cameraman did a fantastic job 10/10
There is no excuse. The person holding the camera is not a cameraperson nor cameraman. That is the price of using someone who thinks camerawork is easy.
the only channel where I don't skip the ads. Lindy is so entertaining.
I still haven't found one that tops Terrible Writing Advice. His sponsorship ads are *hilarious*.
Internet Comment Etiquette is another channel with great ad sections.
It's gotten to a point where he cab upload a video titled "this video is just an ad" and still get regular amounts of views.
You used plural because there are two ads in this video. One for Great Courses, one for a nice Hanomag 251 with very low mileage !
Use Brave browser and there are no ads.
Him and Internet Historian are the kings of ads
"Presentation isn't everything, you know?" he says as he proceeds to blow me away with entertaining and fantastical presentation.
The "primitive back door" on the late model falls open naturally thus shielding egressing troops. It's not a mistake and like ANY door or hatch one is expected to stay out of the way. A ramp (with expensive, precision actuators for a vehicle expected to have a short combat life before being destroyed) would be pointless while lightweight doors would be reasonably easy to close while offering some protection if left open.
The interleaved road wheels made for a better ride but much slower repairs when an inboard wheel was damaged (tracks and wheels of the era were very short-lived). Long tracks throw easily so using front wheels was a good choice for the era. Half-tracks (as correctly pointed out!) were never intended as AFVs and using them as such is why US halftracks were called "Purple Heart boxes" despite being mechanically superior ( such that Israel used them until quite recently).
The interleaved (more complicated than overlapping) road wheels gave German tracked vehicles an enormous advantage. A Tiger or Panther moving over rough ground was so smooth it could fire reasonably accurately on the move. That was one reason for the system and in some ways held advantages over the Sherman's Gun Stabilization system (it stabilized the whole tank) You can see how smoothly these tanks moved in archival footage but other tanks bobbed up and down like a cork in the sea.
Furthermore the multiple large diameter contact points meant that the peak ground pressure on German tracked vehicles was the lowest of any combatant. It's not all about mass over area. Peak pressure counts.
@@williamzk9083 doesn’t much matter how smooth the ride is if the tank can’t get into combat, and either way they were all pretty rubbish tanks
@@flyingrat492 Quite incorrect. The Panther proved to be very reliable and with its armour and excellent gun was very effective on the battlefield. The Tiger was the tank that had lots of teething issues and did breakdown in the middle of combat operations and its weight and size made it difficult to recover on an active battlefield.
@@fleuger99 Both had interleaved road wheels which were the point I was making about reliability
There’s a million other reasons they were bad though
1. 4 panthers for every Sherman lost- doesn’t sound so effective
2. Final drive and engine reliability
3. Poor side and top armour
4. Poor external awareness due to thin vision slits and no non magnified gun sights
5. Fuel line setup made it easy to burn out
6. Bad HE round
7. Difficult to maintain due to the density of the engine and the process for removing the final drive
8. No close ready rack for the loader- having to grab shells from down in the hill meant the main gun had quite a slow sustained rate of fire
The panther was an ok tank in the east but very vulnerable to infantry in the confined hedgerows of the western front and also definitely not very reliable due to its construction and crew. The fact that no major design elements from it were used post war and the French who used it in favourable conditions hated it tells you all you need to know about the quality of the design.
The only man who has ever made a mid programme commercial promotion entertaining .
Check out Tim Dillon. His ad readings are quite dark and hilarious.
Internet Historian is also pretty good with his ad reads
Ad worth £40k to the company poor silly Lindy got a grand. Duh
There was more after that fabulous mind blowing add? I had to stop and pop my eyes back in. 'Took ten minutes to un drop my jaw. ;p
Internet Historian wants to know your location. Never mind, he already does. You could've avoided that if you had used Nord VPN.
That's me with my reenactment group on the MG at 2:09
Life goal complete, feature in a Lindy video.
The owner didn't want to be credited by name, and my guide's name has alas been lost in time. I cannot recall if he wanted to be credited. If he does, then I can do this in the description.
@@lindybeige Knowing the owner, probably not! Would have loved to have had a chat with you at the time, could have shown you about the vehicles.
If you ever want to do any future videos on anything German WW2, let me know, our group would be very happy to help :)
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@@lindybeige : Good fellow.
"hi there. im not a nazi. but i play one on tv. and 5 out 4 nazis agree, allied air and material superiority really sucks."
His level of enthusiasm and knowledge make his videos both entertaining and informative. Doesn't mean I don't think he's a bit barmy. Observation, more than judgement. Keep on, sir👍👍👍
His jumpers prove you have a point T.
When I was stationed in Germany there was a Skdf251 at the post museum. A buddy and I climbed in it and had a look around. It is a highlight of my life to this day! The hanomag is my favorite half track to ever be built!
Good grief
You know I think it is even today much safer than the BMP which is so bad troops ride on top.
"Rather than show you the whole vehicle, my cameraman preferred to leave this space available for captions"... was the exact moment the coffee came out my nose.
The day when Lloyd learns that he is too tall to operate his dream tank.
Too much neck drive a tank
Depends, I think he's about the same height as the Chieftain.
He’d have a 251/6 of course and would be behind the frontlines implementing his strategies he learnt from his airfix war games (recreated on the table)
That way he could cut a hole in the roof and wear a helmet! (Which he would never do, but it’s a joke I used to say about a 6’10 Porsche driver I knew)
Or hire a driver, which could double as his Batman!
Obviously they needed a lot of Schrumpfgermanen for operating these mules.
It's time to go back and add a very crammed model figure into the driver's seats of his scale half-tracks.
German here, and i just want to say that i was genuinely impressed by your correct pronounciation of the "Sonderkraftfahrzeug". Also, thanks for your awesome and interesting content on your channel.
"Do you have three years to spare to go to university?"
Well... that's where I'm supposed to be right now...
Lol
I spent seven years of my life in University. Really you're not missing all that much. Unless you're in some sort of practical field like STEM. But if you're in something Liberal Artsy then you can learn everything you learn in university by downloading some lectures from that Great Courses service Lloyd mentioned midway through the video. Just as effective and far cheaper.
@@KageMinowara I'm a chemist and now studying molecular biology so university is pretty necessary. There is no requirement to attend most lectures and I pay less for my university course than I would for the Great Courses subscription.
@@Zestric How did you manage that? Paying so little for Uni?
@@KageMinowara Live in Austria.
I pay 20€ per year dues to the students organisation and university itself is free
I just recently realized how fucking large this channel is and it's literally just a passionate guy talking about military history. Love it, goes to show UA-cam isn't all bad, there are good channels out there.
You want to visit Military History Visualised with Bernard also, the early videos of TIK (who has sadly gone a bit of the rails) and not least ScholaGladiatoris with Matt Easton.
@@PalleRasmussen What do you mean by TIK has gone a bit off the rails? His newer videos are still very enjoyable to watch. The only criticism I've heard, was that his lectures on economics are... somewhat unsatisfying and lacking the necessary depth the topic requires.
It feels that way sometimes
@@sohnigersohn8777 sounds like Matt Easton on samurai swords he did recently.
They’re fucking tanks bro who doesn’t love tanks
The refusal to refer to Bovington as ‘The Tank Museum’ is very much appreciated!
Thanks for all your time always.
"Home of the Tiger"
It's much smaller than I thought. It always looks so big in games and movies.
6:50 (almost) perfect German pronunciation. A blessing to my German ears
Nach dem Kommentar hab ich gesucht 👌
Nice tribute kamerad
And his pronunciation of the names of those French films was impressive as well. We are truly blessed to have such an intellectual and academic individual making this freely accessible content.
RIP your country
I also thoroughly enjoyed the back wall and ceiling of that building. Wish we got a clearer view of it.
My name is also Majid
Ya it seemed like a nice wall and ceiling hopefully there will be a follow up video that can elaborate more on the quality
I only watched it for the joy of SIP wall construction.
Fun fact: at 2:33 it gets mentioned that these doors may have hurt a few people, I actually know a story!
So the Family of my best friend is collecting everything from WWII and Oldtimers. They happen to own a 251 D, having these downward swinging doors. They were asked if the movie team of „Lensen - der Film“ could use it in the movie, which they were allowed to. On set, the cameraman didn’t know that these doors swing open like this and he got hit in the face with this around 30-40kg door, he had a open wound and I think a broken nose afterwards. Funny that this is so specific as mentioned in the video
Thanks for sharing cool story
Those compartments under the seats weren't meant for personal effects. Under either bench (there are two hinged and two static benches in each vehicle) there are fourteen slots for ammo cans. Each german ammo can was meant to carry 250 rounds, and 250 times 28 is 7,000 rounds of ammunition. These cans were meant to stay with the vehicle, but I'm sure they'd go missing from time to time in combat.
The little white balls on posts above each wheel indicate the width of the vehicle at its widest point. If something knocks one of those balls around, it will hit the walls of the vehicle. Sometimes those posts were removed and replaced with rearview mirrors.
Each 251 had a slot for a radio above the passenger seat, along with an 8 foot radio antenna that was stored behind one of the benches.
All 251s had bars to support a cover in case of foul weather, though a cover makes the already cramped interior even worse on top of trapping heat like no other.
My entire gruppe managed to fit inside one original Sdkfz. 251 D but it was incredibly cramped. I'd hate to have to get in or out of one in a hurry. Lloyd managed to figure out the "head first" approach on his first try though. Anyways, the OT-810s are even more cramped than the 251s if you can believe that. Original 251s ride smooth and run quietly too, compared to OT-810s or 251s with aftermarket engines.
While in the 251, the squad leader would serve as the crew commander, giving directions to the driver, whilst the machine gunner would man the forward facing shielded machine gun. Depending on the unit's logistical situation, the gun (or guns if the vehicle had a rear pintle mount) would stay with the vehicle while the squad had their own machine gun. Sometimes the 251 would support the infantry's assault, sometimes it would serve as a resupply point, and sometimes it would get the heck out of Dodge. The Wehrmacht and SS were incredibly flexible fighting forces, and individual companies were granted a lot of autonomy, so more things were situational than not.
I can't wait until Lloyd gets into any of the other million types of halftracks in German service during the war
Sorry to be that guy, but this is not a Hanomag:
“P.S. No evidence has been found in primary sources that these armored troop carriers were ever referred to by the name Hanomag - not even as a nickname by the troops. If the ‘Hanomag’ had been mentioned during the war to these troops, they would have thought that you were referring to the heavy trucks or buses for which this company was famous.” (Jentz, Thomas L.; Doyle, Hilary Louis: Panzer Tracts No.15-2 - mittlere Schuetzenpanzerwagen (Sd.Kfz.251). History of Variants, Production, Organization, Issue, Tactics, and Employment in Action from 1939 to 1942. Panzer Tracts: Boyds, MD, 2005, p. 15-2-1)
aw shiet, here we go again
If it's come to be known as a Hanomag is it not a Hanomag?
Collaboration at its finest :D
Mommy and daddy are fighting ;)
@@rat_thrower5604, to some extent that is true; however, it is what it is no matter what you call it. Things can have many names but typically have only one true name, in this case sdkfz 251.
no real tangents in this one....I guess you could say he stayed on track
Ka-dum tish!
@@lindybeige theres some discourse i never knew exist. i think it should be "Ba-dum tish" not "Ka-dum tish"
Douglas Parkinson i’m a “badum-tss” man, myself
How about Seinfeld engine tune.
@@pekkaseppala3999 get that american comedy out of here
I like the motorcycle version of this too, in 44 the germans abanded one on my grand parents farm, it was used on the farm untill early 80,s .
You have a Kettlerad? Lucky man.
@@marvindebot3264Kettenkrad (Kettenkraftrad)
The funny this is that during the war, the Germans never called them Hanomags. Someone speculated mentioning that to a panzergrenadier might have him think of a bus. But nowadays it's not just English speakers who use that term, a lot of Germans in the 3rd millenium will know what you mean if you say Hanomag 251, but I suspect that's to do video game culture osmosis. Just like how lots of people who never saw Star Wars know a Death Star was a man made thing in the Star Wars universe the size of the real moon, an example of film culture osmosis.
Whether it be their uniforms, their firearms or their vehicles. The Germans knew that fighting a war wasn't good enough, they had to do it in style.
Meanwhile, Stalin just figured the Nazis would run out of bullets before he ran out of people.
@@Rick586 Which he only could do because he didn't actually consider the Russians he sacrificed en masse as his people. And neither did most of the leading Bolsheviks.
I have read that the nazis actually did factor style into some designs as part of psychological warfare. Apparently the SS dress uniform was designed by an opera costume designer to be a more dramatic and intimidating version of the standard German Heer dress uniform.
I find most German kit ugly tbh
@@maxkronader5225 I've read somewhere that the Nazis put so much emphasis on proper style and aesthetics, because the good guys also needed to look the part.
It's a controversial thesis in scholar circles though.
Wait a short lindybeige video, this can’t be real
It's pretty funny that an 18 minute video is considered short
Where are the tangents?!?
lol I said the same thing to myself . I always look to see if i have the time to watch the video fully prior to starting and Surprise ! a Short one .
@@GeraltofRivia22 only on this channel 😂
Actually, going back to the his early stuff (~12 years ago), his shortest video ever was a grand total of 31 seconds. The next shortest was 32 seconds, and the third (that I can find) was 49 seconds.
Oh yes. We ( I am Czech) have made halftrack vehicles. But it wasn't built as Hannomag conversion. It was made as tracked conversion of Praga V3S, which was so famous in off-road, so our soldiers used them to tow americans vehicles from sand in Dessert storm operation. Made in 50's, used fill 90's. :) but they had maximum speed 60km/h only.
I remember my Tamiya 1/35 Hanomag model kit, complete with Panzergrenadier troops. I think a childhood of building models familiarized me with many historical military vehicles.
I don't always watch Lindybeige, but when I do, I'm happy.
Germany: We need a cheap tracked vehicle for troops
Also Germany: Also make the track system really expensive to manufacture
Well they didn’t have the oil and logistics/spare parts to support a large amount of mechanized units so I guess if your gonna have a few of em might as well make em good
More like a cheap/easy transport was ordered, but at every step in development germans couldn't help themselves, and because germans, they were thought of as upgrades.
Those dummkopfs should've just bought American half tracks and repainted them.
@@orionstrehlow6816 As the war went on they were losing production to bombing and manpower. Gotta make sure they get out to the front with the best equipment they could afford
@@axelNodvon2047 Best is in the eye of the beholder. A simpler machine, even with slightly lower performance, may have been preferable. Simpler and faster to build, simpler and faster to maintain and fix. It isn't a battle tank, it's a combat capable transport for troops/supplies/artillery. It just needs to get the job done, preferably while consuming as few resources in oil/gas, manpower and parts as possible. Everything else is a bonus.
The angular body shape reminds me of modern stealth technology, probably went unnoticed at the time as radar wasn't typically used to discover half track vehicles.
In some of the old movies they even used the Czechoslovakian Version which was produced after WW II, for example "The Bridge at Remagen" from 1969 or the German 1993 movie "Stalingrad".
The metric conversion is appreciated. Yours truly, a foreigner
This is my favourite sort of lindybeige video. A madman frantically pointing out everything cool about a piece of historical kit
Try watching him on double speed!
As a retired 65 year old, I still build plastic scale models, including several Hanomag 251 versions. Tamiya has introduced a newer version with much better interior detail than their vintage kit.
I used to collect 1/72 plastic scale models of Stug III, Panthers and Shermans during the late 70s but my 2 growing sons destroyed them. Now retired, I plan to collect die casts models which could not easily be destroyed by my 2 years old great grandson. 😊
BTW, my 2 grandsons, both brothers, are now in the US Air Force.
Love the scale model/wargame pieces. Always loved half tracks and the infrared version has always been a favorite
Aaaah Lindy Beige! Forever testing the boundaries of just how niche a subject I'm willing to spend up to an hour watching!
How is this more niche than _ladders?_
You must have been very disappointed after about 18min then
@@tiberiusbrain I'll be honest, I was. I wouldn't have minded more facts or talking about Sd. Kfz. 221s for example.
@@AAArnold i was too. I missed all the tangents....
@@tiberiusbrain It was unusually straight forward.
"Podpolianske strojárne Detva" was actually in Slovakia. Detva is a town in Slovakia, "strojárne" means "machine works" and that first adjective is geographical too, I think.
OT literally means APC. The 810's were not liked by their crews, who nicknamed them "Hitler's revenge".
Thanks for the detail. I tried and failed to find out what the OT stood for. 'Czech' was used by English speakers to refer to things from the former Czechoslovakia.
@@lindybeige The OT stands for "Obrněný Transportér" in Czech, if you wanted the meaning of the original acronym.
Podpolianske as in "from under Poľana", which is a hill the locals are quite fond of as it is the country's biggest ancient volcano.
@@lindybeige You should always check your facts before filming Lindy ...
Thank you from the ethnic Slovaks in the audience. Much obliged.
there's another advantage of haltracks over fully tracked carriers: if the width is limited, for a tracked vehicle the length is also limited. the length cannot be more than 2x the width, or you get trouble with the tracks when steering. so for the width of 2.10m. of the 251, a tracked vehicle could only be about 4m. long- instead of the 5.80 of the 251. ( a modern way around that is to connect 2 tracked vehicles to make one articulated vehicle! )
BT-5 disagrees.
Hanomagatudinous......that alone is worth both a thumbs up, and a subscription.
I needed some lindybeige in my life today.
Only today?
Best sponsor plug I've ever seen
Try some of the later Map Men videos or some later videos by Squire.
But this one's very good too.
Growing up in the 60’s and 70’s I too built more than a few Hanomags and thought they were so cool looking. Trust me when I say how many times my father (WWII Pacific War Veteran) got mad at my brother and I pointing out the halftracks as well as many faux Tigers.
The only UA-camr that makes me smile and actually hang around to watch when he tries to sell me something! Thanks, Lindy.
The passive aggressive captioned comments to the cameraman are hilarious. He won’t make that mistake again.
I beg your pardon, that's not passive-aggrevise rubbish, it is fine british humor.
@@mikesadillan5834
Is there a difference? 😉
@@thechumpsbeendumped.7797 Branding ...
The cameraman won't be making the mistake of working with Lloyd again.
What happened to all previous cameramen who got those captions in earlier videos?
Imagine a family going there to look at the tanks and they see a bearded man in a sweater ranting at a camera about how Hollywood can't fool him with the re painted American half tracks.
I don't think a family that's going to see TANKS would be surprised
so nice to see, if other countrys interested in our History 🇩🇪 greetings from germany🇩🇪
Hands down, the best ad ever! Not only on the channel? But in the history of adverts. Please make more like this!
From now on I'll refer to the Sonderkraftfahrzeug as "The Skiddiff".
Lindy said it, so I don't care if it's accurate or not.
Never could pronounce that long German name - I just called them “Sidkuhfitz”😝🤪
I'm sure he stole Skiddiff from an unpublished David Fletcher video.
But he didn't refer to the front line multi period living history group as 'Flem pluggers'
im german and 'Skiddiff' sounds to good not to be used
Germans like to abbreviate everything, but we usually don't use initial letters but first syllables.
There surely must have been a shorter everyday version of Sonderkraftfahrzeug, but I never heard one.
I really do like the walls and roof of the tank museum.
Quite lovely, some of the best I've seen in a video about armoured vehicles!
i never saw the Ambulance Version not even in any movie or documentary but cool to know they existed
Not only is Lindy's the only sponsorship I don't skip through, but I actively look forward to them! This was the best one yet! What an effort! Love the vids, every single one!
Lloyd's back at The Tank Museum, having all the fun. ;)
TBH it looks like he's editing old footage into new videos.
All his Bovington videos look like they were filmed at the same time. He's always wearing the same jumper in them.
Can't get out so 're cutting old stock video to tide him over the lean times. No one's complaining about the vlog though 🙂
It’s 2am, I would sleep but i need to know that the d variant had 9 plates and the c had an exhaust cover
My grandfather was radio operator in one of these, in the 97. Jäger Division
That´s one of the reasons I always liked that half-track
i really appreciate lindy beige. this is a fantastic and he never ceases to both entertain and educate me. the latter, something the world desperately needs. i wish more would find this channel. what a gold mine of wonders, this.
Lindy has clearly spent a lot of time on "The Great Courses Plus"! Not only has he become an excellent advertising agent, but he has even learned to do metric! The hanomag information was great too..
luckely my sleep schedule is shit so i can watch this early
It's 4 in the morning for me
We are there with you. I'm not passing up my fix of quality history from a treasured source.
I think that commercial you made may have been the funniest thing I've seen all week. Thank you Lindy for your years of entertainment without compromise.
I’m a big fan of half tracks. Had the opportunity to drive several types and they’re great fun.
Love the miniature models. They brought so much more realism to the story. Thanks for sharing and keep up the good work on this channel
That ad was amazing. I literally cried.
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into your videos, especially your enthusiasm, thumbs up.
That’s so funny.... I too used to get annoyed as a kid when they substituted American armor and repainted to look German in the movies 😄
You have to be a little charitable. There's no place called "German Armor R Us" and Amazon doesn't sell WW2 German vehicles. Film-makers have to use something.
Film Logic: If its grey its german.
In a parallel universe, the movies substitute German vehicles for American ones.
I still have nightmares from that Leopard 1 they used in A Bridge too Far.
@@swunt10 🤣🤣 me too!!
I liked your painted miniature versions. ;)
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this would probably break me - go for it, ERB! ;D
legitimately would pay good money for this.
And the topic will be „Spandau“ :D
LOL
I normally skip the ad but that was theatrical enough to watch and actually enjoy. Well done sir!
I LOVE THIS AND THAT YOU MENTIONED THE SPECIAL wood fuel one
The Ot 810 ended production in 62, when it was replaced with new design of apc. Some of them were converted into light tank destroyers and various support vehicles and remained in service during the 70s and 80s, by the end as trainers and with reseve troops
How much is 'The Great Courses Plus' paying you? Colossal budget used for that advert!
He probably had more fun doing the advert than the rest of the video.
Best sponsor shout-out I have seen in a long time :)
My friend owned one and we had a blast reenacting with it.
This is one of Lindys best videos. Watched it several times over.
Only 18 minutes long, what’s happened to Lloyd, I hope he’s OK.
So glad you have a small archive of footage from the before time when we could do sensible things like visit reenactment events 😄 Mildly ashamed how accurate the university student proxy was to my own fashion choices at the time 😂
From the comparison report between US & German equipment from early 1945 compiled by the 2nd US Armoured Division, many of the GIs were of the opinion that the 251 was more spacious and offered better protection than their own half-tracks. But they also felt that it wasn't as manoeuvrable due to the lack of front wheel drive and found that it was more likely to throw a track when attempting to turn quickly on muddy ground.
The world is not such a bad place with Lindybeige around.
Lloyd!!! One never concedes measurement's to foreigners, especially when we have the glorious imperial system at our disposal.
Non-decimal systems may have a place in the measurement of time and money, but metric is far superior for distance.
Yeesh
@@p_serdiuk nah
12 inches = one foot (my foot to be precise)
Grab some popcorn and a beverage. Let the metric/standard Flame Wars begin!
Lloyd is so fraking huge, when i stood next to one i wasnt nearly able to look down into the crew compartment
Guess you're more dwarf than elvish eh?
Yeah, he's 6'4" or something maybe more. Ate all his vegetables and then some besides.
Alright, we need more of these commercials. This was amazing.
The half tracks we're cool too but that commercial though.
Returned to LBs channel after not watching for a while. Glad I did.
YES ANOTHER LINDYBEIGE VIDEO
Ah a Sunday treat!
A night snack
It's still Saturday
@@herbiehusker1889 It's been sunday for 3 hours where I live
@@Syfoll lmao imagine living anywhere that’s not in the US lol get rekt
@@numbers4851 boo boo I'm the fool :(
Back in the late 90s, I met a guy who acquired two OT-810s and converted them to Sdkfz. 251/1 models, one Ausferung C, the other Ausferung D. Pretty realistic conversions, in earnest.
Good show my good man!
There is a World War II based board game called Squad Leader updated ti Advanced Squad leader where I cut my teeth on learning about "Skdifizz" as I would pronounce the abbreviation. I believe it's you the first one to show me the actual spelling out of the abbreviation in my life.
I've always curious about economical angles: toward the end of the video you said it was almost as complicated to manufacture as a real tank.
Something I've been doing the last four months is Kyle looking at crawler tractors for replacing wheel tractors on plowing and disking cropland. What my research has shown me is that tracks are very very expensive.
Perhaps the two yards of track savings times two sides of the vehicle to total four yards was enough of a savings.
I don't think the armored personnel carriers M113 from what I was back in the Army the 1980s were as long as these. I guess it's cheaper yet just not to build forward of the tracks.
I think an indicator of expenses that the American Army from 1990 until 2010 started introducing the vehicle "Stryker" which was four wheels per side and something they could get away with evidently on the desert sand of the Middle East.
Google search says that it cost the Reich about 22500 Reichmarks to build a half track. I really don't know of any major power using a armored personnel carrier other than a half-track to to compare how much the savings is to a fully tracked vehicle.
Hanomag was located in my home town. Sadly, they went bust in 1984. I visited the old factory a few times in the 90s, but only because they converted parts of it into a techno disco.
Grüße aus der List! 🤓👍🏽
Lindy put more effort into his ad than he did in the video itself
The Sdkfz 251 was not only produced by Hannomag but by some other 15 companies.
That has to be the best-sponsored content ad ever.
I know this gets tossed around a lot but the Germans really did know how to fight in style
Yes, and they are awfully sore losers, but in style.
@@jonathanenglish9146 I wouldn't call them sore losers. The WW1 victors weren't gracious winners.
@@olliefoxx7165 How gracious would you be if large swaths of your nation were occupied and ruined like France was?
@@scockery If I was French I probably wouldnt be that gracious but there was plenty of blame to go around. There was enough history books available for the powers to know what happens when you excessively punish a beaten foe. France had it's own intrigues that brought it into conflict. If you play dangerous games you're gonna get hurt eventually.
@@scockery it was just revenge for the napoleanic wars where Napoleon did the same to us. :)
That ad..... im lost for words.....
Yes, it was quite something wasn't it? Personally i prefer his off the cuff ones, but i admire him for the effort he made here.
@@morningstar9233 i wonder what the sponsor was thinking. I bet the sponsors themselves didnt see this one coming either!
Absolutely brilliant The Great Courses Plus ad! 😄 The sponsors must be very happy with it.
I have had the privilege of getting inside on of them and was able to sit down inside the drivers seat. It was an awesome feeling. You really felt protected.
The ad was my favorite part. The rest was great too.
This man is STILL at the tank museum!
In Kellys Heroes, they actually used an American halftrack as an American halftrack.
Well spotted
I gave my like just for the commercial. It was awesome!
One of my favorite vehicles too. Also, love all the other odd half-track models that were built by other truck companies like Daimler and Tatra. The ad read was amazing, like a Python sketch. I thought you'd also mention a few more benefits of half-tracks. Because they operate so similar to trucks, it's very easy to train crew for them. If you know how to drive a truck, you can drive a half-track with little to no training. The same goes for the mechanical powertrain layout which is also very similar to a truck except for the track's suspension system. Engine, transmission, prop shaft, everything is easy to access and service. Pre-war if you knew how to service a truck, you could also service a half-track. This is something chieftain talks about constantly with regards to the Sherman vs other models. Ease of access and maintenance is everything. Something that is like a truck is so much easier to keep running than a more complicated vehicle. I understand the 251 may be an exception to this because the Germans made everything more complicated than necessary, but it's more true for the M3, Daimler, and Tatra models.
That was a much bigger consideration for the US production of halftracks -- US troops were much more likely to arrive for basic training already knowing how to drive a motor vehicle (and the US halftrack was essentially an armored truck with the rear wheels replaced by tracks), while Germany was still much less motorized, and it would generally be necessary to train new drivers up from scratch whether they were being trained to drive a truck/halftrack or a tank.