League position doesn't paint the picture. Points do. United finished 2nd under Mourinho, but were 19 points off. That's equivalent to 6 wins and a draw
@MalcolmTann0 That’s true to an extent. But Liverpool finishing 2nd under Klopp in 18/19 with 97 points versus United finishing 2nd under Ole in 20/21 with 74 points is a massive gulf in quality. Even Arsenal finishing 2nd last season with 89 points was only one less point from the Arsenal "Invincible" team of 03/04 with 90 points. Every season has its own story but context in league tables and points won is important when historically comparing sides. To not do so is disingenuous.
I remember when we were not getting into top 4 after Wenger left we were told we will never make top you again because we are not ambitious enough in the market. We did two seasons in a row now comfortably too. People are writing us off again with trouphies, let's just wait and see
We showed no ambition in the summer and as far as I can tell we’re not showing any ambition in January too. No sporting director and we need more forwards
Imagine using examples of great comebacks and you use Spurs vs Ajax instead of Liverpool vs AC Milan or Liverpool vs Barcelona. The 2005 final was voted the greatest comebavk of all time. Bent: Look at Spurs vs Ajax.
This is the problem with pundits and fans - you can’t control other teams. How does league position determine progress? Mikel can only control Arsenal’s points. If we get more points than last year but finish 3rd, it’s still progress. More wins, less goals conceded, etc. We’d have 2 league titles if we were competing in any other period of the PL. stop being so naive
I dont know which team you referring to' but if its United' we won more trophies in the last three seasons more than arteta managed in his time at arsenal' if someone is under pressure it has to be him' United has a new manager trying to implement new ideas mid season' which is hard considering the type of players he has' Arsenal have no excuse!' carabao cup is almost gone!..
@@kinyanjuicarlos8899 In the last 3 years Man u have won carabao Cup and FA Cup. And spent 3/4 billion in achieving that. And had 3 different managers. Money well spent ! 👍
Reality is whatever Arsenal do there will be people out there who will find a stick to beat Arsenal with. It doesn’t really matter what other fans think tbh
Delusional. How is 13th and winning the europa moving forward? Europa doesnt get any champions league teams dropping in anymore so the quality is even worse.
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I don’t want the FA cup. I would much rather we challenge again like last year. We are one of the best teams in Europe now. We gotta keep knocking on the door. People forget that we are in the champions league too… i think it’s because of the new champions league table
United will do Arsenal a big favour. Knock them out the FA Cup. That will leave Arsenal free to concentrate on a top 4 finish. They’d better beat Spurs and Villa, then. Not a given… 😊
The only things that should matter to Manchester United are trying to get in the top four so that you get a Champions League place. FA cups etc don't matter. Even if you don't win the Champions League - which is very unlikely - being in that competition is better than winning the FA Cup.
Winning back to back FA Cups would be quite the achievement for United given the season they've had. I'm pretty sure the fans right now would bite your hand off for it even if they finish 10th in the league.
Pundits: “If Arsenal don’t win a trophy this season they’ve failed” Also Pundits: “If Arsenal only win the FA cup this season they’ve failed” I guess Arsenal can’t do right from wrong, the agenda continues 🫠🫠
@patcallinan3992 Yeah, the ol' "Bigger Fish To Fry" chestnut. Zero titles, zero finals and 1 FA Cup in 5 years (with Emery's team). Keep looking for those bigger fish to fry!!
Arteta is a media darling and evidently immune to sacking. The Arsenal owners appear content to just plod along and get UCL qualification with zero trophies.
League position doesn't paint the picture. Points do. United finished 2nd under Mourinho, but were 19 points off. That's equivalent to 6 wins and a draw
You can have 113 points & finished 2nd who cares. 2nd is the 1st loser, winning is all that matters fella
only an arsenal fan could have this mentality lol
@MalcolmTann0
That’s true to an extent. But Liverpool finishing 2nd under Klopp in 18/19 with 97 points versus United finishing 2nd under Ole in 20/21 with 74 points is a massive gulf in quality. Even Arsenal finishing 2nd last season with 89 points was only one less point from the Arsenal "Invincible" team of 03/04 with 90 points. Every season has its own story but context in league tables and points won is important when historically comparing sides. To not do so is disingenuous.
It paints a picture. It means that Liverpool and Chelsea and Arsenal were even WORSE than that Utd team. It means City that season were just too good.
@@MalcolmTann0impossible btw
If Arsenal win the Fa cup and finish 4th I’ll be one of their most succesfull seasons in 20 years
I agree the most a small club like arsenal can hope for
You're having a laugh, mate !! 🤣
@@SeveAisamDo you feel better? Or need an extra pat on the back? Just let it out bud
Arsenal are terrible at the moment yet still live rent free in your head, wow the trauma you going through is something
We ain't
I remember when we were not getting into top 4 after Wenger left we were told we will never make top you again because we are not ambitious enough in the market. We did two seasons in a row now comfortably too.
People are writing us off again with trouphies, let's just wait and see
We showed no ambition in the summer and as far as I can tell we’re not showing any ambition in January too. No sporting director and we need more forwards
The real delusion is thinking finishing 14th is a success. That's the real delusion.
You cant say we should have won that game when you lost 2-0 😂
You can because we had enough chances to score 4
@ and Newcastle had more
Remember 35% of Arseanal trophies are community shields and nearly 50% is FA cups. Of course they talk nonsense regarding it
Imagine using examples of great comebacks and you use Spurs vs Ajax instead of Liverpool vs AC Milan or Liverpool vs Barcelona.
The 2005 final was voted the greatest comebavk of all time. Bent: Look at Spurs vs Ajax.
This is the problem with pundits and fans - you can’t control other teams. How does league position determine progress? Mikel can only control Arsenal’s points. If we get more points than last year but finish 3rd, it’s still progress. More wins, less goals conceded, etc. We’d have 2 league titles if we were competing in any other period of the PL. stop being so naive
If if……your mum had balls she would be your dad.
If it wasn't for the fa cup they'd have won nothing with 20 year's ffs
That's not true about uth.
@patcallinan3992 try English
I dont know which team you referring to' but if its United' we won more trophies in the last three seasons more than arteta managed in his time at arsenal' if someone is under pressure it has to be him' United has a new manager trying to implement new ideas mid season' which is hard considering the type of players he has' Arsenal have no excuse!' carabao cup is almost gone!..
@@kinyanjuicarlos8899 In the last 3 years Man u have won carabao Cup and FA Cup. And spent 3/4 billion in achieving that. And had 3 different managers. Money well spent ! 👍
Arteta and arsenal not winning trophies is now the problem of other clubs wow😮
What has Mr Bent ever won ?
What are you talking about dont you know they won two trophy's the last two seasons? they got the 2nd place trophy
What a great topic, finishing a position don't know, not winning trophy can't predict
Reality is whatever Arsenal do there will be people out there who will find a stick to beat Arsenal with. It doesn’t really matter what other fans think tbh
Haha Benty 😂 🫵 🤡 should have won that game! Newcastle scored 100% (2) of the goals. Arsnil scored 100% (0) no goals 😂😂😂😂
To get a draw at LFC is like a W for United now !
Delusional. How is 13th and winning the europa moving forward?
Europa doesnt get any champions league teams dropping in anymore so the quality is even worse.
Celtic’s 2025 transfer rumours so far…
Sondre Ørjasæter 🇳🇴 (Sarpsborg 08) - #1 biggest forward prospect in Norway 🇳🇴🌟
Bazoumana Touré 🇨🇮 (Hammarby IF) - #1 biggest talent in Sweden 🇸🇪🌟
Mathias Kvistgaarden 🇩🇰 (Brøndby IF) - #3 biggest forward prospect in Denmark 🇩🇰🌟
Celtic are FINALLY targeting the market they should have been targeting for YEARS! You look at the talents that have left Norway over the last ten years that have gone on to be TOP players in world football and ALL were within Celtic’s budget before they left Scandinavia!
Welcome to the Celtic FC 🍀 Scandinavian revolution! 🏴🇳🇴🇩🇰🇸🇪
COYBIG ☘️🇮🇪
Football is so subjective, isn't this the same show where they say a trophy is a trophy???
I don’t want the FA cup. I would much rather we challenge again like last year. We are one of the best teams in Europe now. We gotta keep knocking on the door. People forget that we are in the champions league too… i think it’s because of the new champions league table
United will do Arsenal a big favour. Knock them out the FA Cup. That will leave Arsenal free to concentrate on a top 4 finish. They’d better beat Spurs and Villa, then. Not a given… 😊
With saka out for the season and no signings, there is a good chance arsenal are winning nothing
Is the ball Amitre Atetita
Maybe across most leagues all teams are more equal by way of robotic football
We won a cup I take that finishing 2nd and not winning nothing I take 4 and a cup any day
Of course you would !! Especially when you're the pits.
@ what do u get for finishing 2nd nothing how we in the pits
@@nicholasbalasal8736 Ye are 13th in the league. Next week ye will be 14th.
But that's progress. 👍
@ who 13 😂😂 I don’t support Man U bro
So do MC going back? He looks like he is new in football for sure
who tf is Darren Bent? People who haven't done anything significant in life doing podcasts taking potshots at successful ones.
This is what arsenal fans wanted wenger sacked for 😂
The only things that should matter to Manchester United are trying to get in the top four so that you get a Champions League place. FA cups etc don't matter. Even if you don't win the Champions League - which is very unlikely - being in that competition is better than winning the FA Cup.
Winning back to back FA Cups would be quite the achievement for United given the season they've had. I'm pretty sure the fans right now would bite your hand off for it even if they finish 10th in the league.
@@AchtungBaby77 I don't care if we win back-to-back FA Cups, I want the Champions League! The Prem and the CL are the only things that really matter.
Cant stand stick Arteta is getting you were mid table before he took over.
Arsenal to still win this 3-1
Arsenal … bore off
Draw 1 game and Uth think they're superstars.
Ye are a joke club !!
Andy talking absolute shite as usual
Pundits: “If Arsenal don’t win a trophy this season they’ve failed”
Also Pundits: “If Arsenal only win the FA cup this season they’ve failed”
I guess Arsenal can’t do right from wrong, the agenda continues 🫠🫠
They can’t win anything
Well Ten Hag won 2nd best manager in Premiership.
Arsenal aren’t winning the FA Cup
Yet it becomes ur problem
Arsenal don't want another FA Cup 'cos Arsenal have more FA Cups than any other club.
Bigger fish to fry.
@patcallinan3992 Yeah, the ol' "Bigger Fish To Fry" chestnut. Zero titles, zero finals and 1 FA Cup in 5 years (with Emery's team). Keep looking for those bigger fish to fry!!
@@AchtungBaby77 I must be chatting to a 6 year old child. Or else that's your age mentality.
@@patcallinan3992only by 1
Excuse FC
Bent is getting as delusional when it comes to arsenal as Keown is
What fa cup win loooooool. They’re playing United tomorrow. It’s over 😂😂😂
U are a joke when’s the last time united even won a F’ing game of football
Ahh I don't mean to burst your bubble but the match isn't on tomorrow. It's on Sunday !!
Somebody needs to sack Darren bent he is awful! Can’t stand the bloke! So biased towards arsenal!
He's an arsenal fan, what do you expect 😂😂ya wet lettuce
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Typical English, winning trophies isn't good enough? As a wise man once said, do me a favour
Arsenal will finished 2nd again with no Trophy. Is that enough to keep Arteta?
Arteta is a media darling and evidently immune to sacking. The Arsenal owners appear content to just plod along and get UCL qualification with zero trophies.
Andy im afraid is correct