Thank you for the History Lesson it should have made him a Super Star in the Military and not Basketball, but he came home and still had Time to play this Sport and have his name alongside 2 Basketball Stars.
Though Ted Williams was an instructor during WW2, you also had Major League players Buddy Lewis, Bert Shepard, and Jake Jones (all awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross) and at least 18 Minor League players all served as pilots in the war. Also Minor League player Dick Aldworth served in WW1 as a pilot too
Thank you. Happy Wednesday Chris & everyone! Off topic but I wonder if there is ever a possibility that grading companies will open up grading shops in different states. 🤔 Somehow allowing ppl to come in & get cards graded on the spot & maybe even allowing us to see the process while there. Graders could also use this time to explain lower grades. I would be willing to pay a few extra bucks for this in person service. They could do this by appointment maybe or/& maybe welcome walk ins. Idk. I guess it's just me wanting this in order to be able to trust the grading process & the graders. 😊
Ross Barnes was a stud in the 1870s. Lifetime batting average of .360 batting over .400 multiple times. He heavily exploited the fair/foul bunt rule that they had to change in 1876. This sort of crashed his career but he still has some powerful stats if you want to look him up.
couldn't agree more about the slant cut on the mantle. when it comes to buying vintage, grade matters less to me than eye appeal. if a card looks really good, i don't care if its a 2. that just means its cheaper for me.
There have been over 5,000 Aaron rookies graded by PSA, plus an untold number graded by other companies and in the raw. Hank is 5-10,000 times more important than Trev, so it kinda pans out.
I think the '52 Mantle was the one found in a cheese box in Wisconsin, (dead serious) The guy had it put away.." An Army vet found his high-grade Mantle in a cheese box, where it had been stored for more than 50 years" Confirmed...went back and checked. Sports Collectors Digest is the reference....it is indeed this very card. Check those old cheese boxes folks!
I know everyone is different but that Paige card is history. That Mantle auto is history. The Mahomes patch auto is cool but it has little to no gravitas. I don’t know how the Mahomes went for more but to each their own
That 1956 set looked great!! Wonder how long and how many dollars went into the set. I have a set of 1979..some PSA 8 and all raw cards equal or better...and I hate to think how much I spent...but it was a fun challenge and did do OK getting rid of the dups. Centering was tough but no short cuts were taken on the corners. Started off with a great Nolan Ryan raw I paid just under 30 floor at the flea market.
It should be noted how insane the mark up is on the ‘52 Bowman Mantle PSA 5 auto. A regular PSA 5 would get you around 6k. Auto 16x+ the value!?! As a side bar, do we really think it would have went for more had the auto got a 10 rather than a 9?
I would like to see a countdown of the top sets on the PSA registry . Like the top Cracker Jack sets , the top Goudey, 1952 Topps etc , t-206 , although the t-205 look better
Chris--good stuff as always! Man, I'd love to have a Shoeless Joe, that card is iconic. Agree with you on tilt. Not sure why PSA let's that slide when aesthetically it's a real downer. I feel like Brady's stuff will keep correcting 1) typical post-retirement stuff and 2) which will be more unpredictable...the career of Mahomes. If he stays healthy and keeps winning...that Brady card will keep sliding.
@@scottvaughn9 PSA population report showing, the 1951 Bowman Mantle has been graded 1,966 times. 1 in a PSA 10. 9 in a PSA 9. 1952 Mantle: 1,556 times. 3 in a PSA 10. 6 in a PSA 9. So, I wouldn't say significantly rarer...but, yes, the 1952 set is, looked at by most collectors as an important set.
@@ACD1994 yea, the Pop reports are an important piece of it. I see what you’re saying. I just think Topps became the flagship brand for more of the hobby history, combined with the high number River dumping stories, combined with the fact that most collectors seem to prefer the Topps for being closer to a standard size (vs. the smaller Bowman’s)… and again, with that particular set just being so iconic, it shoots up the values of many of the cards. To the point where you see 2nd year cards outselling the rookies. Same deal with the Mays, too.
I wonder how many Trevor Lawrence 1/1 rookie cards Panini made? I hope it’s more than 35 because the Aaron went for the same price and has 35 PSA 8.5 or higher. It’s almost a false rarity lol
The ‘48 Leaf Satchel Paige has never received higher than a PSA 8. There are five of them. There are 27 graded a PSA 7. A PSA 7 has not sold since _before_ the boom and it went for more than the SGC 7. (108k). I reckon a PSA 8 might get six figures +. A PSA 6 now is worth around 50k++. Given all of that and how nice the card looks (assuming there’s nothing major we can’t see, just the back centering being whacked) doesn’t it only make sense to buy this card, crack it and submit to PSA? The risk seems very minimal with how good it looks from the front. It’s hard for me to imagine it getting less than a 7 again, assuming there’s nothing hidden from the pictures.
"Not sure how many rings that adds up to in total, but more fingers and toes than I've got." By my calculations, today we learned that Chris has a maximum of 18 fingers and toes. Looking forward to the "story time" video on which digits are missing and how each was lost.
@@collectorinvestordealer You're not wiggling your way out of this one. I expect a story on how you somehow avulsed the fourth toes on both feet during an intense negotiation for a Bump Wills error card.
Hey Chris how much do you think the rotation/tilt of the card (ie the 1952 Mantle) affects the grade? For instance, if you have a card with 8 centering but with a tilt, would you expect that to get an 8 or maybe a 7?
@@collectorinvestordealer yeah I’ve been trying to figure that out. Had a 1976 Aaron with 8 (tilted) centering come back a 7 - unsure if it was bc of fisheyes or that frame rotation. Same with a Carew that had some rotation to it. Seemed to lose a subgrade but tough to say
The 1951 Bowman GM10 went for LESS than the 1972 GM10 Topps??? Without checking I can pretty much guarantee a few of the cards in my 1972 set would likely be graded 10s - better get them slabbed before coherent thought grips the auction world....
crazy to see the drop of the prices in C. Ronaldo cards since his move in S.Arabia and Messi winning the WC therefore ending any type of comparison between the two of them. Still PSA 10 for 60 K seems a very very good buy
That Brady card had three 8.5's and a 10 with a final grade of 8.5, lol. Somebody failed math, that's an average of three 9's and an 8.5 for a final grade of 9. What has Trevor Lawrence done to justify a card selling for 150k? I'm seeing another fake sale to pump up that 1/1 which makes it about the 40th 1/1 Lawrence has, and graded 6, lol, without an auto or patch, scam. If any of these sales of modern cards are real, it just goes to show you what people will spend on a card as long as they think it's a deal, only to turn around months later and sell it for a huge loss which that person buys it because they think it was a huge deal because of the price drop, and so on. That Lawrence card aint worth a thousand bucks. How many int's did he throw in the playoffs? If my memory is correct, he's 6TD's and 6 Int's. Never been to a conference championship game. 150K ?
The grade is not just an average of the subgrades but it is a more complicated formula. Simply averaging them would not work out. Imagine a card with subgrades 10, 10, 10, 2. The average would be an 8.
I know, when I said average, I meant take a full point off the 10 making it a 9, then distributing that point to the three 8.5's making 2 9's and leaving an 8.5. you are left with three 9's and an 8.5. Where it's more complicated is that the grader at BGS has a final decision to elevate the card or not regardless of any averaging out of the points. So a 10 10 10 2 grade would average out to be an 8 grade as you would take away two points from each 10 and give them to the 2 making it an 8, leaving four 8's, but Beckett has a rule you can't elevate the final grade more than one point from the lowest grade, so a 10 10 10 2 grade would be a final grade of 3. However, 8.5 8.5 8.5 and a 10 should be a final grade of 9. lol@@collectorinvestordealer
Jerry Coleman was a Marine combat pilot in WWII and Korea (120 flight missions). Going with the Hank Aaron rookie over the Trevor Lawrence 1/1.
Similar to Ted Williams, combat pilot.
Thank you for the History Lesson it should have made him a Super Star in the Military and not Basketball, but he came home and still had Time to play this Sport and have his name alongside 2 Basketball Stars.
100%👍on the Aaron Rookie.
Though Ted Williams was an instructor during WW2, you also had Major League players Buddy Lewis, Bert Shepard, and Jake Jones (all awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross) and at least 18 Minor League players all served as pilots in the war. Also Minor League player Dick Aldworth served in WW1 as a pilot too
Thank you. Happy Wednesday Chris & everyone!
Off topic but I wonder if there is ever a possibility that grading companies will open up grading shops in different states. 🤔
Somehow allowing ppl to come in & get cards graded on the spot & maybe even allowing us to see the process while there. Graders could also use this time to explain lower grades.
I would be willing to pay a few extra bucks for this in person service. They could do this by appointment maybe or/& maybe welcome walk ins. Idk.
I guess it's just me wanting this in order to be able to trust the grading process & the graders. 😊
Very weird to see a PSA 6(!) Trevor Lawrence ahead of Aaron and Mantle....
Interesting to see the Trevor Lawrence Black Finite appear. It was purchased by Grant at Backyard Breaks at the National and he crossed it to a BGS 8.
Jerry Coleman may be a common, but he is a Hall of Fame broadcaster, longtime voice of the San Diego Padres.
That Montana is crazy off center for a 10.
Agree.
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At best PSA 8
Those vintage PSA 10s are noticeably off center, certainly wouldn't get a 10 if submitted today. So what are people really paying for?
Ross Barnes was a stud in the 1870s. Lifetime batting average of .360 batting over .400 multiple times. He heavily exploited the fair/foul bunt rule that they had to change in 1876. This sort of crashed his career but he still has some powerful stats if you want to look him up.
The dropping values of Pat Mahomes rookies should probably be a warning to those collecting Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert, and other QBs.
That Montana getting a 10 is a disgrace, not only is it tapered with the centering of the picture, it’s also just generally off center.
A 72' Al Oliver for over 18 grand, just to buy the 10 label ??? I will never understand the logic behind that.
Not even in the Hall of Fame
couldn't agree more about the slant cut on the mantle. when it comes to buying vintage, grade matters less to me than eye appeal. if a card looks really good, i don't care if its a 2. that just means its cheaper for me.
Liked the comment about Trevor Lawrence being same price as Hank Aaron . Because that makes a lot of sense .
There have been over 5,000 Aaron rookies graded by PSA, plus an untold number graded by other companies and in the raw. Hank is 5-10,000 times more important than Trev, so it kinda pans out.
Absolutely wow at that 93 Refractor set.
I think the '52 Mantle was the one found in a cheese box in Wisconsin, (dead serious) The guy had it put away.." An Army vet found his high-grade Mantle in a cheese box, where it had been stored for more than 50 years" Confirmed...went back and checked. Sports Collectors Digest is the reference....it is indeed this very card. Check those old cheese boxes folks!
The Joe Jackson Cracker Jack is a beauty! 😍 Grail!
I know everyone is different but that Paige card is history. That Mantle auto is history. The Mahomes patch auto is cool but it has little to no gravitas. I don’t know how the Mahomes went for more but to each their own
The T Law is worth as much as the 8.5 Hank 😂😂 give it 5 years and that card won’t be with 25% of what they paid
Just spat my lunch all over my phone when you said that mahomes sold for 800,000….
The Trevor Lawrence 1/1 in a 6!!! Wow! I wonder if anyone would pay that much and crack it and regrade it?
96 of the 109 cards graded by PSA ... at that point, why not grade the last 13?
I love that set. I have 20 of them, all in nm+.
That 1956 set looked great!! Wonder how long and how many dollars went into the set. I have a set of 1979..some PSA 8 and all raw cards equal or better...and I hate to think how much I spent...but it was a fun challenge and did do OK getting rid of the dups. Centering was tough but no short cuts were taken on the corners. Started off with a great Nolan Ryan raw I paid just under 30 floor at the flea market.
150,000 dollars for ONE Trevor Lawrence card?! I can buy a lot of Peyton Manning rookies for much less than that. 🙃
The 1993 complete PSA graded 1st Refractor set seems almost cheap to me. Thats not an easy set to put together graded.
It should be noted how insane the mark up is on the ‘52 Bowman Mantle PSA 5 auto. A regular PSA 5 would get you around 6k. Auto 16x+ the value!?!
As a side bar, do we really think it would have went for more had the auto got a 10 rather than a 9?
I would like to see a countdown of the top sets on the PSA registry . Like the top Cracker Jack sets , the top Goudey, 1952 Topps etc , t-206 , although the t-205 look better
Great idea!
That hank aaron was an 8.5? seems high with that chipped corner but i guess standards are lowered for vintage
That 13:16 Trevor Lawrence got take to BGS at the National and graded an 8. So I guess BGS 8 = PSA 6?
Chris--good stuff as always! Man, I'd love to have a Shoeless Joe, that card is iconic. Agree with you on tilt. Not sure why PSA let's that slide when aesthetically it's a real downer. I feel like Brady's stuff will keep correcting 1) typical post-retirement stuff and 2) which will be more unpredictable...the career of Mahomes. If he stays healthy and keeps winning...that Brady card will keep sliding.
Can someone please explain to me why Mickey Mantles rookie card sales for significantly less than his 52 Topps card in the same grade?
Because it’s a significantly rarer card combined with the fact that it’s one of the all-time most important sets in hobby history.
@@scottvaughn9 PSA population report showing, the 1951 Bowman Mantle has been graded 1,966 times. 1 in a PSA 10. 9 in a PSA 9.
1952 Mantle: 1,556 times. 3 in a PSA 10. 6 in a PSA 9. So, I wouldn't say significantly rarer...but, yes, the 1952 set is, looked at by most collectors as an important set.
@@ACD1994 yea, the Pop reports are an important piece of it. I see what you’re saying. I just think Topps became the flagship brand for more of the hobby history, combined with the high number River dumping stories, combined with the fact that most collectors seem to prefer the Topps for being closer to a standard size (vs. the smaller Bowman’s)… and again, with that particular set just being so iconic, it shoots up the values of many of the cards. To the point where you see 2nd year cards outselling the rookies. Same deal with the Mays, too.
I wonder how many Trevor Lawrence 1/1 rookie cards Panini made? I hope it’s more than 35 because the Aaron went for the same price and has 35 PSA 8.5 or higher. It’s almost a false rarity lol
That Satchel looks like a 9 not a 7.
That Satchel is a bargain!
The ‘48 Leaf Satchel Paige has never received higher than a PSA 8. There are five of them. There are 27 graded a PSA 7. A PSA 7 has not sold since _before_ the boom and it went for more than the SGC 7. (108k). I reckon a PSA 8 might get six figures +. A PSA 6 now is worth around 50k++.
Given all of that and how nice the card looks (assuming there’s nothing major we can’t see, just the back centering being whacked) doesn’t it only make sense to buy this card, crack it and submit to PSA? The risk seems very minimal with how good it looks from the front. It’s hard for me to imagine it getting less than a 7 again, assuming there’s nothing hidden from the pictures.
I'd like to know,,,who is buying these??
I still don't think money laundering in cards is talked about enough
"Not sure how many rings that adds up to in total, but more fingers and toes than I've got." By my calculations, today we learned that Chris has a maximum of 18 fingers and toes. Looking forward to the "story time" video on which digits are missing and how each was lost.
Haha I just assumed it added up to more than 20 :)
@@collectorinvestordealer You're not wiggling your way out of this one. I expect a story on how you somehow avulsed the fourth toes on both feet during an intense negotiation for a Bump Wills error card.
Hey Chris how much do you think the rotation/tilt of the card (ie the 1952 Mantle) affects the grade? For instance, if you have a card with 8 centering but with a tilt, would you expect that to get an 8 or maybe a 7?
Good question. Im not sure but it definitely affects it. I missed the tilt on the Mantle
@@collectorinvestordealer yeah I’ve been trying to figure that out. Had a 1976 Aaron with 8 (tilted) centering come back a 7 - unsure if it was bc of fisheyes or that frame rotation. Same with a Carew that had some rotation to it. Seemed to lose a subgrade but tough to say
Just so you can be up to date. Manning is above Montana on most of the greatest lists now
Thanks man. The PSA registered sets are nice.
The 1951 Bowman GM10 went for LESS than the 1972 GM10 Topps??? Without checking I can pretty much guarantee a few of the cards in my 1972 set would likely be graded 10s - better get them slabbed before coherent thought grips the auction world....
I used your phone # to send you a photo of the card. you have any idea what it might be worth? The sketch cards normally don't sell for too much $$.
Looks like you can keep in pocket $100,000-$200,000 grand on Mahomes, Brady next time you throw a winning bid out there.
Great video
Lawrence or Aaron? Such a coin flip
crazy to see the drop of the prices in C. Ronaldo cards since his move in S.Arabia and Messi winning the WC therefore ending any type of comparison between the two of them. Still PSA 10 for 60 K seems a very very good buy
Jan van Breda Kolff is the son of former Lakers coach Butch von Breda Kolff. Doesn't make his card worth more...
Would you be worried about paying big bucks for the high-grade vintage with people trimming cards?
People have been trimming cards for years and years, just kinda part of it and most of the time the trimmers are so good no one even knows it
How else are you going to get a 1954 PSA 10 ?
Yay
That Brady card had three 8.5's and a 10 with a final grade of 8.5, lol. Somebody failed math, that's an average of three 9's and an 8.5 for a final grade of 9. What has Trevor Lawrence done to justify a card selling for 150k? I'm seeing another fake sale to pump up that 1/1 which makes it about the 40th 1/1 Lawrence has, and graded 6, lol, without an auto or patch, scam. If any of these sales of modern cards are real, it just goes to show you what people will spend on a card as long as they think it's a deal, only to turn around months later and sell it for a huge loss which that person buys it because they think it was a huge deal because of the price drop, and so on. That Lawrence card aint worth a thousand bucks. How many int's did he throw in the playoffs? If my memory is correct, he's 6TD's and 6 Int's. Never been to a conference championship game. 150K ?
Couldn’t agree more.
The grade is not just an average of the subgrades but it is a more complicated formula. Simply averaging them would not work out. Imagine a card with subgrades 10, 10, 10, 2. The average would be an 8.
I know, when I said average, I meant take a full point off the 10 making it a 9, then distributing that point to the three 8.5's making 2 9's and leaving an 8.5. you are left with three 9's and an 8.5. Where it's more complicated is that the grader at BGS has a final decision to elevate the card or not regardless of any averaging out of the points. So a 10 10 10 2 grade would average out to be an 8 grade as you would take away two points from each 10 and give them to the 2 making it an 8, leaving four 8's, but Beckett has a rule you can't elevate the final grade more than one point from the lowest grade, so a 10 10 10 2 grade would be a final grade of 3. However, 8.5 8.5 8.5 and a 10 should be a final grade of 9. lol@@collectorinvestordealer
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We have a winner!
First..😊
an example for all of us... truly exceptional..
I’ll pop in for Chris..”We have a winner”!!