Jesus Sam! Thanks for making me feel ancient at all of my 36 years! I can remember when these first came out and it feels like yesterday. Although they (and the royal Scot) got a bit of a lukewarm reception if I remember in contrast to the slightly earlier black 5 which was very well received. BTW no oo gauge loco is worth £200 when you consider the fantastic o gauge Dapol terrier, class 08 and 57xx pannier all available today new for £195!
For over £200, why is any electrical tape in any shape or form acceptable!!! I’m an engineer, and only use this as a cheap fix? I wouldn’t pay more than £90. A bit biast as always found Hornby inferior and overpriced.
Good looking loco there Sam ,, 1 thing we have to remember that if they dont make good profit well there will be no more hornby so let the peeps that can afford it have there fun with it till it breaks down and we get it for a quarter or sometimes a tenth of the price , fix it for a small amount and get another 10 to 20 years of running and enjoyment from it. I still see that paying top dollar is not a good thing but it is what it it. I seen you on the telly on the weekend too. Keep up the good work and gr8 video there sam. Cheers from John in Australia.
[Sigh] I've lost all faith in Hornby. From this point, I refuse to buy any modern locos from them. The prices are far to high, if a teen like me who just wants to sit down and 'play trains', well, I can't with new locos, as on £5 a week pocket money, it would take me 41 weeks to buy this model at RRP, this is why I buy second-hand. If I only bought new stuff, I'd be limited to one or two locos a year, but since I decided to go second-hand, I managed to buy 11 in 2020, an astonishing 17 in 2021 and 4 this year so far. So yeah, second-hand is definitely the way forward for me.
I agree prices are getting unbearable but it's not all Hornby's fault. Literally everything is increasing in prices - Bachmann, but other hobbies and non-railway items like bikes are going up. Not to mention food, petrol, energy. Inflation, the pandemic, logistics (and to an extent for some prices especially surrounding energy and food - Russia's illegal aggressive and bloody war against Ukraine - though the war will have little to no impact on Model railways) have contributed to the rise in costs and costs of living. For newer models I can sort of see why prices are going up with research, designing, production, logistics and development etc. But Granted though Hornby does indeed bear some responsibility, especially charging unreasonable prices for older tooling. It's not quite an easy situation and there isn't really an easy solution to the problem, our daily lives are getting more expensive sadly and wages haven't caught up with it.
As an ex Rhyl (pronounced GRILLE without the G, but you're forgiven) boy and as a nipper around 1961 having been hauled from Rhyl to Brum by this very loco, I had to have one. Bought about 4 years ago for about £120, not run yet as don't really have a layout, but it's on display in my trains/cars/planes travelled/driven/flown display cabinet. You were unlucky Sam, none of those quality issues with mine, apart from a missing whistle, which might be down to me. Really pleased with it as I think it looks great, would have liked it in BR livery to replicate my journey though. Hornby RRPs - madness. Great review as always, thanks.
If only the RRP wasn't that much, then this model surely would have been higher up on the leaderboard. It is dearly a shame that Hornby's prices are hiking, I wish we could do something one day.However this model is actually much better than I thought it would be for the age, thank you Sam for reviewing this and keep it up!
I have the lovely un-rebuilt Pariot from around 2009 "Illustrious" in crimson lake. Apart from the old fashioned peg connector between locomotive and tender, she still passes muster with today's models. Perhaps lacking the finest detailing, but she runs beautifully and looks spiffing. I would rather have her for what she cost me second hand than this sister loco at £200, you have reviewed, though she does look very nice.
Thanks for sharing! Ahh yes I forgot they would have had the peg drawbar in the early days... still, glad to hear it's decent! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looks like an upgrade for my current patriot but I'll not get it , smashing video again Sam. I'm going to fit my king with a zimo chip tonight as I have been meaning to do that for a while , have a great day
A beautiful class in a nice livery!I really want one now but for how many locos I already have that are good, and the quality you get for your money, I can’t justify that price. Hornby seems to think money up, quality down is the right way which is sad because if they put attention to quality and lower the price a bit that would be one absolute class buy. Stay safe 😀
I'd agree - it's a pity they've upped their prices so drastically, yet still haven't addressed a lot of the lacking areas of their models... hopefully they'll fix things before it's too late! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, I was looking at the Hattons best sellers and found what could be the biggest bargain I've ever seen, I think you should check it out. They are selling a Hornby Class 87 with a sprung pantograph and buffers as well as two different light settings for only £99. Pretty sure that is over 50% off, the RRP is probably over £200 knowing Hornby
The LNER B12 is the odd one out, as she doesn't have outside cylinders or steam-pipes. Easy, the theme is 4-6-0 wheel arrangement, and the B12 is the only 4-6-0 who has inside cylinders. By the way, thankyou for sneezing my channel name, it sounded very convincing. You're cute when you fake a sneeze. You got the Gunpowder part of my request slightly wrong, I specified I wanted the GWR one in the consist, but you got everything else correct and put in the LNWR version, so I'll let you off the hook. You should create an Easter Eggs-press train this Easter Saturday. I'd love to see it.🍫
True! I wasn't going to pay £200 for this... they wouldn't have made this sale if they hadn't reduced the price like they did! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Just looked at mine. The running plate is perfectly flat, and has no glue marks whatsoever. It's a great looking loco, and is a superb running locomotive, and also sounds great now I have added sound to it as well!
Had my eye on one of these for several months but hoping for a much lower price. Inappropriate for my BR era layout but would remind me of my Great Aunt who lived in Rhyl - and she was a very lively lady too! Thanks for another encouraging review.
I have had this model since it was introduced. I run it on DCC and have never had any problem with it. I paid around £120 for it, not including the decoder. Your review item has no differences from mine that I can see!! Good old Hornby, making hay even if the sun doesn't shine! Keep up the good work.
I have one of these, it was my first large engine that was brand new. I love it so much, so I was devastated when one of the screws holding the coupling rods came loose. It jutted out, got caught on the drive rod and bent it :(
Hi Sam, When you give the ratings for the price, which one do you take into consideration, the retailer price that you paid or the price marked by the manufacturer? Great videos!
Some Patriots were named after important people of the consituent companies of the LMS, (Sir Frank Ree); army regiments, ships, countries (Bahamas, Ceylon), holiday resorts, for example 'Morecambe and Heysham' and in this case, Rhyl (Denbighshire, Wales).
My 2007 version of one of these recently "died", owned new since 2013 and stored sensibly in a bedroom environment. Anyway, it all started with the motor not engaging properly, especially when going forwards. I reluctant decided to investigate but the chassis was very hard to remove from the body, this not being helped by the fragile nature of the body. The problem seemed to be the plate on which the DCC chip can be mounted. However, eventually I succeeded. No matter what I tried, when I put the chassis back in the body the problem with the motor reoccurred. Then things really started to go wrong. In trying to unscrew the DCC mounting plate to have a look at the worm gear cover, the fixing point sheared off. Then the larger lower part sheared off the main chassis. It is only connected by a thin stub. Hornby initially said it was too old to be considered for repair so I decided to cut my losses and see if I could have a free-running, non-powered model. Sadly the chassis would not run freely enough around corners. Hornby then said they would take a look but, a fortnight later, returned the loco saying it was too far gone. I am not too upset about this because they have been generous with other mazak-deteriorated models I have had. Sorry for going on but modellers need to be careful with some Hornby models from this era. The Royal Scot and Patriot seemed to be vulnerable like the early T9s and 2005 Class 31s, amongst others. At least I have spare motor! Keep up the good work!
Another great review! On you price comments, looking at the 1971 Triang-Hornby catalogue, you could buy a 4-6-0 loco for £4.50 (90 shillings!) that is about £68 in today's money. So in real terms, the list price has risen 3-fold since then. It's true that more recent locos are much more detailed, more accurate and better performers but surely not worth that kind of increase.
Got one of these last year £150- Cannot fault it's quality and running. You are correct on the very high prices today but everything is up in price (apart from wages)
Quality control seems a bit of a problem there in China. There shouldn't be glue and oil stains over the model. That sloppy rear driver is a tad annoying, too. But at least unlike New Zealand Railways, you didn't find asbestos in your locomotive from China 😵💫 A great video as usual :)
I have both rebuilt Patriot and Royal Scot from Hornby. The Patriot does run better run better than the Scot. The price increases are getting out of hand. I paid $140 and $179 (about 106 and 129 pounds in 2021) in for the same locos which are now running about $270. Even the used loco market is getting very expensive.
Your videos are so enjoyable and relaxing to watch. And I'm not a train guy. Your non review vids are especially entertaining and well produced. My review: 10/10
Could you do a video where you figure out how to give a model train a face and controllable eyes? I want to make films in the style of the old Thomas and Friends, but I cannot find sufficient documentation of HOW they made the eyes move other than “They used servos and a joystick.” I also think that it would make an interesting videos.
I agree that £205 is too much but, in my view, one star is rather too harsh: 2 stars? I have one the models that dates from 2007. Out of the box it preferred running in reverse but, after running in, it preferred running forwards. Some of the original Royal Scot models from 2007ish tended to suffer from Mazak degeneration of the motor locating pieces. However, Hornby repaired mine very quickly and promptly for free. I would seriously be tempted to get another one like yours for £100 but I have obviously missed that boat! I suspect that your price is a result of Hornby selling off some surplus stock but the £205 price now is rather OTT. I do agree that a sprung plate underneath would be a real bonus.
I have this loco, its nice but glad i bought it in a sale. The connecting rods are dodgy at the back and the running board is bent which results in some odd running characteristics, but after a bit of tweaking and lubrication and it runs well.
Could you sometime do an unboxing and review of the rivarossi big boy as I am thinking of maybe getting the loco but not entirely sure if I should or not. Liked the video by the way.
as a plant tech for a dry cleaner who buys lots of stuff for machines prices of anything that used electrics are hard to come by and are expensive anymore in the last 2 years prices for stuff has spiked and leaving the stuff on the spru will make it harder to damage
@@SamsTrains hi Sam my mistake it’s a royal scot, royal army service Corps. It looks similar, any how it’s a great model. And at around £100 they are great value models ( can’t believe we are saying that but…..)
I got the E. Tootal one last year for around 100 pounds. No major glue issues and the warping of the running plate, while still there, was nowhere near as bad as yours. I guess the quality control leaves a lot to be desired. It runs really nicely though. Would I buy it for 200? - Not a chance.
There is one more. you didn’t review the green Australian loco which Hornby released in the UK. That turned out to be a bit of a dog for the money. No tender pickups.
I like the look of this LMS Patriot locomotive although I wish the price wasn’t too expensive along with the quality being better such as fixing the warped parts of this locomotive.
I have an older version of the Hornby Patriot, which has the old style tender coupling. It runs a dream but I find it's pulling power isn't great. It seems to be a grip issue as the wheels slip if I give it more than 6 (modern Mk1) coaches. Wheels and track clean etc it just seems a little light on its feet. Love it though. I did buy a 2nd hand Royal Scot but it had terrible mazak rot so was literally dead.
Thanks for review Sam .For me hornby railroad is value for money & well worth a try as the price is very good plus good running qualities ,same for all rolling stock .Think hornby should consider some of there older stock for this range & still make some money Keep up the good work .
These locos have had a small bit of upgrading since the initial release 15 years ago. Initially, they had the 8-pin socket in the loco, with the older-style powered drawbar instead of the adjustable one with the 4-pin wired connection, and the original tender probably using the airfix-style clip coupling instead of NEM pockets. I have 45545 Planet (not to be confused with my black 5 45455), in BR green, and it runs well. I'd say 2005-2014ish were the golden days of hornby. Prices not too high, all the new locos introduced had decent detailing which are still pretty much to modern spec (excepting metal running plates, firebox glow, 21-pin or plux22 decoder sockets), before the Design Clever idea they had, and modern releases of these locos are often of a poorer quality than when initially released despite advances in tech.
I have the E. Tootal Broadhurst version, I payed around 100 for mine too, and I loved it until one day it locked up and bent the valve gear, I haven't been able to find a replacement valve gear, no-one appears to have one in stock (including Hornby). Disappointed!
This was basically the steam version of the class 31. Mazak Rot with the early versions of this tooling, black watch and the NRM special edition one I’ve had issues with the chassis crumbling, so have personally lost confidence with this product and the Class 31 it’s a shame as they are both great looking locomotives, Hope it’s fixed but I just can’t take the chance at the price they are wanting
What a beautiful loco, almost thought it was a black 5 until I took a closer look. Also, how much space does your layout take up, I want to build one similar to the style of yours.
Hey Sam, do you think you could make a video on what you look for in a model like listing what features a model should tick with some really good models and some bad ones? Or did you make a video like this already
I have a Hornby Royal Scot (R3517 Seaforth Highlander) which is almost identical and in the same livery with gold and red bands. Even after playing 'spot the difference' and looking very, very closely I can only find two: 1) The Royal Scot has a riveted tender rather than smooth. 2) The Royal Scot has a small black box on the running plate between the 2nd and 3rd driving wheels. Both have a 2007 tooling so I suspect Hornby use the same one for both models.
I'm sure I spotted some differences in their proportions, but it's been a while since I filmed this - will look again... but yes they're definitely very very similar! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains The Patriot was also known as the 'Baby Scot' so you may well be right about the proportions being slightly different, but if so I think you could only tell if you have the models next to each other.
There's something wrong with the 4th coach behind the Hornby Patriot - it's wobbling like crazy all the time as it goes along. I certainly wouldn't want to be a passenger in that one!
The fact that it's below your Gladstone (a loco really nice to see) says it all about the price, even if we consider that after the three "items" we got recently (covid, speculation and war) all prices are doubling and a terrible inflation is blasting the Western world.
haha yeah! Then again, not all prices are doubling... many model railway manufacturers have been able to maintain their prices... or increase them by very little! It seems some manufacturers have just used the opportunity to raise their prices! Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Unknown Warrior is a long way off completion. They are having to re cast all the driving wheels as they ones they currently got have cracks through out.
hi sam I have recently watched your salvage or scrap series and that reminded me of a intercity 125 loco I have that is dead wont run and the paintwork has seen better days. I have previously sent it to someone experienced in model trains in my family. They sadly could not get it to run :( However I am not giving up and I know you are very very experienced in this sort of thing so wondered if you had any tips or could help me hopefully salvage my 125. hopefully it wont go to the scrap Man. Thank you sam and keep up the good work on the best youtube channel ever Kind regards Fifi
Hey Fifi - sorry to hear that - I do have some videos on servicing the ringfield motors, maybe they will help you? ua-cam.com/video/L-ai83Sej7g/v-deo.html Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I'm not sure that fitting the scale coupling from the factory is a good thing. On my heritage railway-based layout locos need to be able to haul coaches in both directions, so I need to fit the tension locks. If a scale coupling is fitted then it will need to be removed, something which is quite dificult to do without breaking them. I would prefer them to arrive with a bare front end so that you can just fit the parts you need.
True - it would interfere with a front coupling if fitted... possibly better to see it just included in the accessories bag... but definitely glad to see it included at all! :D Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, At the price you paid this engine is a nice buy. But I 100% do agree with you: the RRP is ridiculous ! And as usual QC for made in China is non existing so it's always a risk - as with any product coming from there. Your honest reviews are a great and excellent 'buyer guide' info. Thanks Sam! Kind regards, Filip
Hi Sam, nice to see a Patriot 😎 Shame that you were able to find such fault with it, though. I was looking forward to denting my bank account again, but now I am not so sure. Then again, even if the current price is a rip-off, it certainly seems worth it when you get a 100% discount 😅 As for the name: I suspect the people of Rhyl will be right riled! Beware next time you go to North Wales 😜 Shame that the Unknown Soldier project has been beset by terrible setbacks, the latest absolute disaster being that they had scrap all the driving wheels before they even turned a wheel in anger 🙄🤦 It is annoying when they charge that much and don’t give you metal running plates and can’t even get the glueing right. Such a shame as there is the basis for a great loco otherwise, which I’d hope for as one of my favourite classes. I had a Hornby “Lady Godiva” once upon a time (1980s model) which ran like a watch but obviously wasn’t this detailed. That said, I’d suggest it was better value (and better quality controlled) that your one at the proper price! 🤔 Strange one isn’t it: a model that is soooo very nice in so many respects. And yet…And yet…🤷🏻♂️ Hmmm…despite it all, I am still tempted to ‘fill the gap” in my LMS fleet. But even if I can get it at a small price, the lack of accessibility is still a concern…🤔 We’ll see! Cheers mate 🍀🍻👍 PS: I literally just realised as I posted this that, quite by chance, I was drinking my tea that Clair just gave me from my Patriot Fund cup while I watched this! 🤣😂😅
I don't think I like single driven axles. When the middle wheels move but the others don't, as on the Bachmann Thomas in both its liveries, it irks me. Is it necessary to have all a locomotive's driving wheels have driven axles?
Just like Horny to 'Hike' up the prices - Last November 2021 - I bought from my Local Model shop "Early BR Lord Nelson Class 'Lord Rodney' No. 50863" - R3635 & he charged me £155.00 but the old Hornby Price was £169.99 but the new Hornby price when I bought it at the time was £186.99 - guess what - they have put up the price even more now (11/04/2022) it is ££205.99!!! I Just glad I bought it when I did!!! 🤔🚂🚂🚂
Hi Sam great vid I recently got my granddad's old locos all Fleischmann 2 Steamies 1 electric and 1diesel they are really old and I need to service them (as they have not been serviced in around 20 odd years) what is the essential thing I need???? Thanks Nathan
i have to say my patriot i never had any problems with it the price when i bought it i wasnt to happy about i paid about £140 but had to get it as it is named after my home town the best way to pronounce the town name is rhyl (ril)
Wasn't the Ivatt mogul the odd one out?
It was indeed - well spotted! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Jesus Sam! Thanks for making me feel ancient at all of my 36 years! I can remember when these first came out and it feels like yesterday. Although they (and the royal Scot) got a bit of a lukewarm reception if I remember in contrast to the slightly earlier black 5 which was very well received. BTW no oo gauge loco is worth £200 when you consider the fantastic o gauge Dapol terrier, class 08 and 57xx pannier all available today new for £195!
haha sorry about that!! It is crazy how time flies these days to be fair!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
RILL, Sam. It's pronounced RILL. But LOVE your reviews; objective, honest and focussed on the people that BUY (rather than produce) model railways.
haha thanks a lot Andrew - and glad you've noticed... no brown-nosing on this channel! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
For over £200, why is any electrical tape in any shape or form acceptable!!! I’m an engineer, and only use this as a cheap fix? I wouldn’t pay more than £90. A bit biast as always found Hornby inferior and overpriced.
Good looking loco there Sam ,, 1 thing we have to remember that if they dont make good profit well there will be no more hornby so let the peeps that can afford it have there fun with it till it breaks down and we get it for a quarter or sometimes a tenth of the price , fix it for a small amount and get another 10 to 20 years of running and enjoyment from it.
I still see that paying top dollar is not a good thing but it is what it it.
I seen you on the telly on the weekend too.
Keep up the good work and gr8 video there sam.
Cheers from John in Australia.
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I've lost all faith in Hornby. From this point, I refuse to buy any modern locos from them. The prices are far to high, if a teen like me who just wants to sit down and 'play trains', well, I can't with new locos, as on £5 a week pocket money, it would take me 41 weeks to buy this model at RRP, this is why I buy second-hand. If I only bought new stuff, I'd be limited to one or two locos a year, but since I decided to go second-hand, I managed to buy 11 in 2020, an astonishing 17 in 2021 and 4 this year so far. So yeah, second-hand is definitely the way forward for me.
I agree prices are getting unbearable but it's not all Hornby's fault. Literally everything is increasing in prices - Bachmann, but other hobbies and non-railway items like bikes are going up. Not to mention food, petrol, energy. Inflation, the pandemic, logistics (and to an extent for some prices especially surrounding energy and food - Russia's illegal aggressive and bloody war against Ukraine - though the war will have little to no impact on Model railways) have contributed to the rise in costs and costs of living. For newer models I can sort of see why prices are going up with research, designing, production, logistics and development etc. But Granted though Hornby does indeed bear some responsibility, especially charging unreasonable prices for older tooling.
It's not quite an easy situation and there isn't really an easy solution to the problem, our daily lives are getting more expensive sadly and wages haven't caught up with it.
Same. I buy all of mine from a carboot. Got 5 locos last year which to buy online would have been at least £300 and payed only £45
The 40 Patriots were only "nominal" rebuilds of Claughtons, meaning they were in fact new builds but classified as rebuilds for accounting purposes
As an ex Rhyl (pronounced GRILLE without the G, but you're forgiven) boy and as a nipper around 1961 having been hauled from Rhyl to Brum by this very loco, I had to have one. Bought about 4 years ago for about £120, not run yet as don't really have a layout, but it's on display in my trains/cars/planes travelled/driven/flown display cabinet. You were unlucky Sam, none of those quality issues with mine, apart from a missing whistle, which might be down to me. Really pleased with it as I think it looks great, would have liked it in BR livery to replicate my journey though. Hornby RRPs - madness. Great review as always, thanks.
Decent review Sam looks like a nice locomotive and the funny thing is right when this video was uploaded I was servicing an old hornby patriot.
Thanks a lot David - ooh that's spooky!! :O
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
If only the RRP wasn't that much, then this model surely would have been higher up on the leaderboard. It is dearly a shame that Hornby's prices are hiking, I wish we could do something one day.However this model is actually much better than I thought it would be for the age, thank you Sam for reviewing this and keep it up!
I have the lovely un-rebuilt Pariot from around 2009 "Illustrious" in crimson lake. Apart from the old fashioned peg connector between locomotive and tender, she still passes muster with today's models. Perhaps lacking the finest detailing, but she runs beautifully and looks spiffing.
I would rather have her for what she cost me second hand than this sister loco at £200, you have reviewed, though she does look very nice.
I have Illustrious too! Still one of my favourite locomotives in my collection. I remember buying it new for £64.99!
Thanks for sharing! Ahh yes I forgot they would have had the peg drawbar in the early days... still, glad to hear it's decent! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Looks like an upgrade for my current patriot but I'll not get it , smashing video again Sam. I'm going to fit my king with a zimo chip tonight as I have been meaning to do that for a while , have a great day
Good to see the models' wheels aren't cracked and need replacing, like the Unknown Warrior.
haha very much so! ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
A beautiful class in a nice livery!I really want one now but for how many locos I already have that are good, and the quality you get for your money, I can’t justify that price.
Hornby seems to think money up, quality down is the right way which is sad because if they put attention to quality and lower the price a bit that would be one absolute class buy.
Stay safe 😀
I'd agree - it's a pity they've upped their prices so drastically, yet still haven't addressed a lot of the lacking areas of their models... hopefully they'll fix things before it's too late!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Sam, I was looking at the Hattons best sellers and found what could be the biggest bargain I've ever seen, I think you should check it out. They are selling a Hornby Class 87 with a sprung pantograph and buffers as well as two different light settings for only £99. Pretty sure that is over 50% off, the RRP is probably over £200 knowing Hornby
Yup! One Class 87 is due to arrive in the summer, product R30030, and has a price of £217.99, pretty ridiculous really.
Thank you so much for the heads up - just picked one up! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains when do you think 🤔you'll review it??
The LNER B12 is the odd one out, as she doesn't have outside cylinders or steam-pipes. Easy, the theme is 4-6-0 wheel arrangement, and the B12 is the only 4-6-0 who has inside cylinders. By the way, thankyou for sneezing my channel name, it sounded very convincing. You're cute when you fake a sneeze. You got the Gunpowder part of my request slightly wrong, I specified I wanted the GWR one in the consist, but you got everything else correct and put in the LNWR version, so I'll let you off the hook. You should create an Easter Eggs-press train this Easter Saturday. I'd love to see it.🍫
Whilst everyone pays these prices nothing will ever change....
True! I wasn't going to pay £200 for this... they wouldn't have made this sale if they hadn't reduced the price like they did!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Just looked at mine. The running plate is perfectly flat, and has no glue marks whatsoever. It's a great looking loco, and is a superb running locomotive, and also sounds great now I have added sound to it as well!
Had my eye on one of these for several months but hoping for a much lower price. Inappropriate for my BR era layout but would remind me of my Great Aunt who lived in Rhyl - and she was a very lively lady too! Thanks for another encouraging review.
I have had this model since it was introduced. I run it on DCC and have never had any problem with it. I paid around £120 for it, not including the decoder. Your review item has no differences from mine that I can see!! Good old Hornby, making hay even if the sun doesn't shine! Keep up the good work.
That's great news Mike - yes it's a great model overall isn't it, especially for its age!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have one of these, it was my first large engine that was brand new. I love it so much, so I was devastated when one of the screws holding the coupling rods came loose. It jutted out, got caught on the drive rod and bent it :(
Hi Sam, When you give the ratings for the price, which one do you take into consideration, the retailer price that you paid or the price marked by the manufacturer?
Great videos!
Some Patriots were named after important people of the consituent companies of the LMS, (Sir Frank Ree); army regiments, ships, countries (Bahamas, Ceylon), holiday resorts, for example 'Morecambe and Heysham' and in this case, Rhyl (Denbighshire, Wales).
My 2007 version of one of these recently "died", owned new since 2013 and stored sensibly in a bedroom environment. Anyway, it all started with the motor not engaging properly, especially when going forwards.
I reluctant decided to investigate but the chassis was very hard to remove from the body, this not being helped by the fragile nature of the body. The problem seemed to be the plate on which the DCC chip can be mounted. However, eventually I succeeded.
No matter what I tried, when I put the chassis back in the body the problem with the motor reoccurred. Then things really started to go wrong.
In trying to unscrew the DCC mounting plate to have a look at the worm gear cover, the fixing point sheared off. Then the larger lower part sheared off the main chassis. It is only connected by a thin stub.
Hornby initially said it was too old to be considered for repair so I decided to cut my losses and see if I could have a free-running, non-powered model. Sadly the chassis would not run freely enough around corners.
Hornby then said they would take a look but, a fortnight later, returned the loco saying it was too far gone. I am not too upset about this because they have been generous with other mazak-deteriorated models I have had.
Sorry for going on but modellers need to be careful with some Hornby models from this era. The Royal Scot and Patriot seemed to be vulnerable like the early T9s and 2005 Class 31s, amongst others.
At least I have spare motor!
Keep up the good work!
Another great review! On you price comments, looking at the 1971 Triang-Hornby catalogue, you could buy a 4-6-0 loco for £4.50 (90 shillings!) that is about £68 in today's money. So in real terms, the list price has risen 3-fold since then. It's true that more recent locos are much more detailed, more accurate and better performers but surely not worth that kind of increase.
I have to say,that Patriot class model looks like your LMS Turbomotive model,it's something about that tender lining
Yeah I see what you mean - it's a similar looking design isn't it? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Got one of these last year £150-
Cannot fault it's quality and running.
You are correct on the very high prices today but everything is up in price (apart from wages)
Quality control seems a bit of a problem there in China. There shouldn't be glue and oil stains over the model. That sloppy rear driver is a tad annoying, too. But at least unlike New Zealand Railways, you didn't find asbestos in your locomotive from China 😵💫
A great video as usual :)
The best part of these tape of videos for me is history of the real engines them self's
I have both rebuilt Patriot and Royal Scot from Hornby. The Patriot does run better run better than the Scot. The price increases are getting out of hand. I paid $140 and $179 (about 106 and 129 pounds in 2021) in for the same locos which are now running about $270. Even the used loco market is getting very expensive.
I will never miss a sam’s trains video, but unfortunately I was late a few hours, still. Outstanding loco
Your videos are so enjoyable and relaxing to watch. And I'm not a train guy. Your non review vids are especially entertaining and well produced. My review: 10/10
Thank you so much - that's awesome to hear!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Could you do a video where you figure out how to give a model train a face and controllable eyes? I want to make films in the style of the old Thomas and Friends, but I cannot find sufficient documentation of HOW they made the eyes move other than “They used servos and a joystick.” I also think that it would make an interesting videos.
the patriot is nicknamed the baby Scott as they shared several mechanical features to economise on their maintainance and is virtually the same loco
Yeah definitely Zac - you can clearly see how similar they are!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I agree that £205 is too much but, in my view, one star is rather too harsh: 2 stars? I have one the models that dates from 2007. Out of the box it preferred running in reverse but, after running in, it preferred running forwards. Some of the original Royal Scot models from 2007ish tended to suffer from Mazak degeneration of the motor locating pieces. However, Hornby repaired mine very quickly and promptly for free. I would seriously be tempted to get another one like yours for £100 but I have obviously missed that boat! I suspect that your price is a result of Hornby selling off some surplus stock but the £205 price now is rather OTT. I do agree that a sprung plate underneath would be a real bonus.
Very nice locomotive. Thanks for posting.
I have this loco, its nice but glad i bought it in a sale. The connecting rods are dodgy at the back and the running board is bent which results in some odd running characteristics, but after a bit of tweaking and lubrication and it runs well.
Ahh interesting - so it's a decent model in N scale then? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Can you review the bachmann ivatt tank please?
This feels very much like a black five, still I can already tell it's beautiful
Could you sometime do an unboxing and review of the rivarossi big boy as I am thinking of maybe getting the loco but not entirely sure if I should or not. Liked the video by the way.
as a plant tech for a dry cleaner who buys lots of stuff for machines prices of anything that used electrics are hard to come by and are expensive anymore in the last 2 years prices for stuff has spiked and leaving the stuff on the spru will make it harder to damage
Hi Sam I’ve not watched this yet but I picked one up at hattons for 95. At that price it is an absolute bargain. Can’t wait to see your thoughts
Oh wow - even better than my price - it sure is great for that money!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains hi Sam my mistake it’s a royal scot, royal army service Corps. It looks similar, any how it’s a great model. And at around £100 they are great value models ( can’t believe we are saying that but…..)
Let’s compare it to a Martin Mark Martin model loco. That is if you can get one of the four they are making
I feel like we're saying this far too often, at a better price an excellent model locomotive! Great review as always Sam :D
Woah that Patriot class is absolutely MAJESTIC when I saw the thumbnail the loco blew my mind with how beautiful it looks. Shame it has some problems
cool video Sam, I always wondered the difference between the Patriot Class & the Black 5.
My Bachmann class 40 a model only a few years old with most of its detail fitted I got for my birthday cost less than that
haha yeah - I've heard those are awesome actually!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
ill settle for there P2 the duke of edinbourgh 2-8-2 as its only a new body shell well it should be due out end of april around 250.00 pounds
I got the E. Tootal one last year for around 100 pounds.
No major glue issues and the warping of the running plate, while still there, was nowhere near as bad as yours.
I guess the quality control leaves a lot to be desired.
It runs really nicely though. Would I buy it for 200? - Not a chance.
Odd one out: Ivatt 4MT 2-6-0, as it is the only Mogul, all other locos being 4-6-0s
There is one more. you didn’t review the green Australian loco which Hornby released in the UK. That turned out to be a bit of a dog for the money. No tender pickups.
I like the look of this LMS Patriot locomotive although I wish the price wasn’t too expensive along with the quality being better such as fixing the warped parts of this locomotive.
Me too - the price I paid was just right... but now they're almost double!! D:
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
rhyl pronounced rill sam, its a resort in north wales.
Hi sam I hope you're ok
Would you recommended the lima patriot
I have an older version of the Hornby Patriot, which has the old style tender coupling. It runs a dream but I find it's pulling power isn't great. It seems to be a grip issue as the wheels slip if I give it more than 6 (modern Mk1) coaches. Wheels and track clean etc it just seems a little light on its feet. Love it though.
I did buy a 2nd hand Royal Scot but it had terrible mazak rot so was literally dead.
Very nice review Sam. The locomotive really has some nice detailing.
It sure does Emanuel - glad you liked it! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Cool model Sam the lms patriot looks similar to the black 5 the jubilee and royal scot
Thanks for review Sam .For me hornby railroad is value for money & well worth a try as the price is very good plus good running qualities ,same for all rolling stock .Think hornby should consider some of there older stock for this range & still make some money Keep up the good work .
These locos have had a small bit of upgrading since the initial release 15 years ago. Initially, they had the 8-pin socket in the loco, with the older-style powered drawbar instead of the adjustable one with the 4-pin wired connection, and the original tender probably using the airfix-style clip coupling instead of NEM pockets.
I have 45545 Planet (not to be confused with my black 5 45455), in BR green, and it runs well.
I'd say 2005-2014ish were the golden days of hornby. Prices not too high, all the new locos introduced had decent detailing which are still pretty much to modern spec (excepting metal running plates, firebox glow, 21-pin or plux22 decoder sockets), before the Design Clever idea they had, and modern releases of these locos are often of a poorer quality than when initially released despite advances in tech.
Good honest review Sam ..
As much as it is a nice model, i always preferred the original condition patriots. Keep up the good work sam!
My example has surprisingly no superglue marks
I have the E. Tootal Broadhurst version, I payed around 100 for mine too, and I loved it until one day it locked up and bent the valve gear, I haven't been able to find a replacement valve gear, no-one appears to have one in stock (including Hornby). Disappointed!
Awesome video today Sam beautiful modle and will you be getting the new hornby e2
This was basically the steam version of the class 31. Mazak Rot with the early versions of this tooling, black watch and the NRM special edition one I’ve had issues with the chassis crumbling, so have personally lost confidence with this product and the Class 31 it’s a shame as they are both great looking locomotives,
Hope it’s fixed but I just can’t take the chance at the price they are wanting
What a beautiful loco, almost thought it was a black 5 until I took a closer look. Also, how much space does your layout take up, I want to build one similar to the style of yours.
Hey Sam, do you think you could make a video on what you look for in a model like listing what features a model should tick with some really good models and some bad ones? Or did you make a video like this already
I have a Hornby Royal Scot (R3517 Seaforth Highlander) which is almost identical and in the same livery with gold and red bands.
Even after playing 'spot the difference' and looking very, very closely I can only find two:
1) The Royal Scot has a riveted tender rather than smooth.
2) The Royal Scot has a small black box on the running plate between the 2nd and 3rd driving wheels.
Both have a 2007 tooling so I suspect Hornby use the same one for both models.
I'm sure I spotted some differences in their proportions, but it's been a while since I filmed this - will look again... but yes they're definitely very very similar!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains The Patriot was also known as the 'Baby Scot' so you may well be right about the proportions being slightly different, but if so I think you could only tell if you have the models next to each other.
look at the cab rear window on the patriot and see that there isn't one on the scot, just an opening.... otherwise i agree, very similar when rebuilt.
Looking at the thumbnail I got confused and thought this was another Jubilee
There's something wrong with the 4th coach behind the Hornby Patriot - it's wobbling like crazy all the time as it goes along. I certainly wouldn't want to be a passenger in that one!
The Stanier rebuilds look fab.
BigBoy is one you haven't reviewed yet ;)
But your reviews are sooooo good!
Rhyl wasn't a bad place when they named the loco. It has a bit of a "reputation" now!
30:08 the odd one out is the Ivatt Class 4 as it is a 2-6-0 not a 4-6-0
Dude its named after the Welsh seaside town of Rhyl, in north Wales.. pronounced Rill... keep up the good work... :)
i bought my Royal Scot over 10 years ago, and paid well below the 100.- poundmark...that was (and is ) ok...not a bad model...still...
The fact that it's below your Gladstone (a loco really nice to see) says it all about the price, even if we consider that after the three "items" we got recently (covid, speculation and war) all prices are doubling and a terrible inflation is blasting the Western world.
haha yeah! Then again, not all prices are doubling... many model railway manufacturers have been able to maintain their prices... or increase them by very little! It seems some manufacturers have just used the opportunity to raise their prices!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Unknown Warrior is a long way off completion. They are having to re cast all the driving wheels as they ones they currently got have cracks through out.
Sam wow enjoyed you latest video with so much going on hope there more to come regards DD.
hi sam I have recently watched your salvage or scrap series and that reminded me of a intercity 125 loco I have that is dead wont run and the paintwork has seen better days. I have previously sent it to someone experienced in model trains in my family. They sadly could not get it to run :( However I am not giving up and I know you are very very experienced in this sort of thing so wondered if you had any tips or could help me hopefully salvage my 125.
hopefully it wont go to the scrap Man. Thank you sam and keep up the good work on the best youtube channel ever
Kind regards Fifi
Hey Fifi - sorry to hear that - I do have some videos on servicing the ringfield motors, maybe they will help you? ua-cam.com/video/L-ai83Sej7g/v-deo.html
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Have you ever reviewed Bachmanns 8750 pannier tank?
the patriot is henrys side sick known as the green engine in malachite green i bought one painted it green and put a face on it
i do want to mention that 45555 "unknown warrior" is more of a replica then a new build
Is it possible to make a request now?
I'm not sure that fitting the scale coupling from the factory is a good thing. On my heritage railway-based layout locos need to be able to haul coaches in both directions, so I need to fit the tension locks. If a scale coupling is fitted then it will need to be removed, something which is quite dificult to do without breaking them. I would prefer them to arrive with a bare front end so that you can just fit the parts you need.
True - it would interfere with a front coupling if fitted... possibly better to see it just included in the accessories bag... but definitely glad to see it included at all! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hi Sam, At the price you paid this engine is a nice buy. But I 100% do agree with you: the RRP is ridiculous ! And as usual QC for made in China is non existing so it's always a risk - as with any product coming from there. Your honest reviews are a great and excellent 'buyer guide' info. Thanks Sam! Kind regards, Filip
Wasn't the odd one out the 2-6-0 ivatt next to the b12
Hornby should update some of there models like bachmann did, just saying :)
Cheers Willow & Jasper
I agree! Though this one is pretty decent as it is! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hey Sam, what's your favorite line? Mine is LNER, and LMS.
Hi Sam, nice to see a Patriot 😎 Shame that you were able to find such fault with it, though. I was looking forward to denting my bank account again, but now I am not so sure. Then again, even if the current price is a rip-off, it certainly seems worth it when you get a 100% discount 😅 As for the name: I suspect the people of Rhyl will be right riled! Beware next time you go to North Wales 😜
Shame that the Unknown Soldier project has been beset by terrible setbacks, the latest absolute disaster being that they had scrap all the driving wheels before they even turned a wheel in anger 🙄🤦
It is annoying when they charge that much and don’t give you metal running plates and can’t even get the glueing right. Such a shame as there is the basis for a great loco otherwise, which I’d hope for as one of my favourite classes. I had a Hornby “Lady Godiva” once upon a time (1980s model) which ran like a watch but obviously wasn’t this detailed. That said, I’d suggest it was better value (and better quality controlled) that your one at the proper price! 🤔
Strange one isn’t it: a model that is soooo very nice in so many respects. And yet…And yet…🤷🏻♂️
Hmmm…despite it all, I am still tempted to ‘fill the gap” in my LMS fleet. But even if I can get it at a small price, the lack of accessibility is still a concern…🤔
We’ll see! Cheers mate 🍀🍻👍
PS: I literally just realised as I posted this that, quite by chance, I was drinking my tea that Clair just gave me from my Patriot Fund cup while I watched this! 🤣😂😅
It looks like Henry from the Railway Series books.
I don't think I like single driven axles. When the middle wheels move but the others don't, as on the Bachmann Thomas in both its liveries, it irks me. Is it necessary to have all a locomotive's driving wheels have driven axles?
Hey Sam are you going to be reviewing the Bachmann daisy?
I am hoping to yeah! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains you're welcome
Just like Horny to 'Hike' up the prices - Last November 2021 - I bought from my Local Model shop "Early BR Lord Nelson Class 'Lord Rodney' No. 50863" - R3635 & he charged me £155.00 but the old Hornby Price was £169.99 but the new Hornby price when I bought it at the time was £186.99 - guess what - they have put up the price even more now (11/04/2022) it is ££205.99!!! I Just glad I bought it when I did!!! 🤔🚂🚂🚂
Hi Sam great vid I recently got my granddad's old locos all Fleischmann 2 Steamies 1 electric and 1diesel they are really old and I need to service them (as they have not been serviced in around 20 odd years) what is the essential thing I need????
Thanks
Nathan
Nice video it looks like the black 5
Your talk of the 07 tooling of the Gresley A1/A3 has me wondering if you are going to try one of the new ones?
1st !! - well almost - Happy Easter Sam. With disregards to Hornby with such inflated prices they are heading for a fall....
haha well done! And Happy Easter! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
i have to say my patriot i never had any problems with it the price when i bought it i wasnt to happy about i paid about £140
but had to get it as it is named after my home town the best way to pronounce the town name is rhyl (ril)
Sam are you planning to get the new hornby class 40 when it comes out in autumn and it’s only 97 quid
Looks like a short version of the black 5