There is supposed to be a cinematic where Jaina asks Rexxar to spare her troops in the assault. That's why you are not supposed to destroy the 'Theramore Guard' structures.
I was wondering where did that Cutscene go lol. I know she says that because after the battle, that'll be the only thing she'll have on Theramore and thus killing the structures MUST not happened.
TLCBonaparte And yet, Garrosh had many supporters. Not every orc supported him, I know, in fact most were against him, but it doesn't change that he had many of them. Not to mention that with him, the orcs can shove the whole "Blood of Mannoroth" excuse where the sun... Oh, and before you start calling me an human symphathizer or something, I do not have any human alt, but I do have an orc alt (on 90 lv)
***** So what's your beef with the horde? By your argument maybe Horde deserve to be crushed by Kul Tiras? Now you need an alt because faction is gone.
TLCBonaparte I did not say that. Besides, I know WoW's lore: if the Horde had been crushed then and there, they wouldn't have helped with the Second War of the Shifting Sand, with the Burning Crusade, and War against the Lich King. So yeah, we would have been pretty fucked up. I do not have a beef with the Horde, I am just poiting out that it wasn't just Garrosh who was bloodthirsty. So if anything, it would have closer to say that I have a beef with the orcs themselves.
TLCBonaparte Well, to be fair, the majority of the rank and file orcs supported Garrosh. He was what the common people wanted. The majority of the people that actually opposed him were either higher ranking orcs, most orcish shamans, or members of the other Horde races. So, yes, the majority of the Horde as a whole was against him, but the majority of the orcish race supported him. Its a shame really. If Garrosh didn't have Thrall's initial support, he probably would have just stepped down as leader, without violence. That almost happened with him and Cairne, if it wasn't for Magatha.
Admiral Proudmoore; I will never stop fighting your kind. Rexxar; "i'm Admiral Proudmoore, derpiederp!" Proudmoore; ...what are..? Rokhan; you be a big nerd, mon! Proudmoore; By the Light, the Orcs are....using some kind of physcological warfare. Chen; Now you are screwed, nerd! Admiral Proudmoore; I AM NOT A NERD! Archmage; Dont let them anger you, Admiral! Do not feed the troll! Admiral Proudmoore; ...what? Cairne; Look at me, i'm Admiral Proudmoore. I am dumb and get wrecked all the time. Admiral Proudmoore; sunofabiatch! -runs off, gets owned- And thus Trolling became a popular Horde tactic.
Don't let them get to you, Admiral Proudmoore! You're better that that, man, you're better than that! Though one has to wonder... if the horse is called Invincible, how come you can actually see it?
Don't forget to do the rest of the Exodus of the Horde campaign which tells the story of what happened to Thrall between leaving Lordaeron (in the prologue campaign all the way back at the beginning) and getting to Kalimdor! It is found in the Custom Campaign menu.
Rexxar is one of my favorite people in Warcraft Lore...I named my Hunter's pet after Misha in honor of Rexxar...lol I loved the quest line with Rexxar in WoD,
CYЯEO That is Nazgrel, the wolf rider you fight with in the first chapter of the Orc campaign. Rexxar is in Blade's Edge Mountains, trying to get in contact with his old clan and killing the Gronn in that area.
One of my favorite chapters in the whole campaign. It took so long cuz divided heroeos by base. Cairne was in the right one, Rexxar, Chen in the middle, and Rok'han with trolls... Was extremly long but fun.
Admiral Proudmoore tries to attack Orgrimmar? Jaina turns on her father and lets the Orcs kill him. Warchief Garrosh decimates Theramoore? Thrall says he can't do anything to help her and will even fight her if she tries to attack Orgrimmar.
Thrall was with the Earthen Ring, attempting to keep the Maelstrom stable. Jaina was using water elementals to attack Orgrimmar and in doing so was undermining Earthen Ring's efforts to keep Azeroth safe. Let's also not forget that Admiral broke the peace treaty and Jaina fought to re-establish it. Meanwhile Horde and Alliance were at war during Cata and MoP and Theramore was used by the Alliance army as a staging ground to break into the Barrens.
This last map kinda reminded me of the standard map you find in MOBAs nowadays. Observe how there is a top, a middle and a bottom lane with "minions" pushing. Just a coincidence I'm sure but kinda neat considering the mod that sprung up from this game.
That was the point of it. They made this map and the playstyle to be a bit like an AoS/DoTA style map (remember, at this point, DoTA, ToB, AoS, EoTC, and other such style maps were abundant and popular in War 3).
Nathan Cassidy Yea, I was happy when they announced Heroes of the Storm cause I was eager to see Blizzard's take on the genre. I mean, they made a Tower Defense map in War 3 too and, other than a few small issues that could improve it, it was better than most fan made tower defenses.
This campaign is such an innovative one since it is the foundation for WoW and the final battle is basically DotA prototype or inspired the foundation of DotA gameplay.
Yep, :D for me lore died when Arthas got his just reward. Best ending scene ever, always gives me the "chills" haha, I just made a pun without realizing, get it?.. I'll leave now.
2veki I remember when I first played it how I actually hated the Undead campaign because I couldn't stand Arthas betrayed everybody but then I came to love that and now he's my favourite villain. He's awesome and everytime I replay Warcraft III all over again, I can't wait to get to the last cinematic because you're right - it gives 'chills' every time. Amazing ending and one of the best in video game history...
Beatrixacs300 I am glad you feel the same, there are not many people who like him but to me he is the best character of all games I ever played. That's why I don't accept the death of him they made up in World of Warcraft... It's plain dumb, some 10 or 25 random loot hoarders barge in his citadel, and kill him. Wow yea that's really legit, Ofc. they just had to put "light" shit cause "good" always wins in the end. - . -
2veki Yes, he is the best character of all games I've ever played, I just love his history. Oh man, the death was so ridiculous, I remember how mad I was about it. After all the lore around his character and how invincible he was, the only thing the loot hoarders needed was old dude Fordring praying to the Light and Frostmourne was shattered... And with that, Arthas was defeated. Horrible way for a good villain to die.
2veki Well, it wasn't exactly 10 or 25 people who killed him, but his arrogance. He killed the entire raid, remember? But he left Tirion alive, letting him attack from behind (yes, Tirion attack was a cheap shot! The most honorable paladin ever had to cheat to defeat Arthas!). But if you are unsatisfied with how Arthas' story met its end, then feel free to read my fanfic, Rebirth of the Damned :www.fimfiction.net/story/55373/rebirth-of-the-damned
Thinh Vo First mission's not so bad though, it's a fun little concept. Though a bit of a pain for Crendor I think (at least if it was on hard) since you have to manage 3 armies (sorta). Undead Campaign is pretty good, but I don't like timed missions as much and I think Undead has the most iirc.
What a shame about Admiral Proudmoore. There was no need to kill him and certainly no need to mock him in death. He had seen so much devastation by the orcs that he couldn't simply forgive the Horde, even if it had changed since the darker times. I, for one, actually agrees with the Admiral, i don't understand why the humans should simply forgive the orcs and assume they'll leave the humans alone.
***** There is a big difference between wiping out anyone who have ever commited crime and forgiving carelessly like the crime didn't matter at all. I never said that i wanted all orcs to be wiped out, like the orcs almost did with the humans on multiple occasions, i simply said that the orcs shouldn't expect the humans to just forget and forgive all that the orcs ever did to them. Fact of the matter is, the orcs didn't have to kill the Admiral, they could've captured him and tried to talk sense to him or simply discuss why he hated the orcs and what the "new" horde could do to change his mind. But nope i guess, let's just storm the citadel and kill the Admiral and all his soldiers... Totally a different horde guys, really...
***** You're right, of course, that the orcs isolated themselves on another continent but it's not like the humans had their own continent anymore so "isolation" is gonna be difficult when the humans are also looking for a new home. Would i expect the orcs to just give up and go into the internment camps again? No. Are you justified to strike back if someone attacks you? Yes, most certainly. Does that mean that you should? Not necessarily. If Thrall wanted to start anew he should know that diplomacy is gonna do more good than war in the long run. He could've showed the humans that the new horde was different by defeating the Admiral and then showing mercy and talking to him instead of just killing him. As for what you say about a major human leader, i assume you mean Jaina Proudmoore... you know... the admirals daughter... Knowing how Jaina thought of the conflict between the humans and the orcs at the time, don't you think she would have preferred for the issue to be solved diplomaticly? Not only would the relationship between orcs and humans have improved but she would still have her father...
***** I'd like to see him refuse diplomacy when held at swordpoint, you're right he was racist but he was certainly not an idiot, at least i can't see that in him. Saying someone has to die is a very narrowminded thing to say, especially when you're the one on top of the situation. Thrall had an army of Orcs, Trolls, Tauren and Ogres at his disposal, what was the Admiral gonna do when he lay on the ground, beaten and unarmed? Refuse to listen to the orcs? Saying he'd rather die? Possibly. But i don't think he would refuse to listen to his daughter. Who knows? Given enough time Jaina could maybe have convinced the Admiral to see that he was wrong, but now we'll never know and the humans have another reason to hate orcs. The admirals attack on the jungle trolls was completely uncalled for and you and i can easily agree that those actions were inexcusable. I never claimed that the admiral was perfect and given a situation of diplomacy had happend, the admiral certainly had his crimes to answer for, just as the orcs had.
***** He was not as racist as Garithos. The destruction caused by the Horde in Stormwind, Lordaeron and Quelthalas was to much. Even after his death he was not wrong. The Horde Invade Ashenvale, Gilneas, bombed Theramore, destroy the Vale of Eternal Blossom. The Horde have not proven themselves to be trustworthy even until now.
***** That was in Pandaria. The Invasion of Gilneas, Sylvans was all in at that times and the Invasion of Ashenvale, most of the Horde leader were fine with it since Orgrimmar were out of resources and the Night Elf refuse to trade. The bombing of Theramore was their breaking point but the fact still clear that the Horde still support Garrosh in Ashenvale.
Thrall: We have no interest in conquest or murder. You took the lands from centaurs, harpies, quillboars and more races, you still have Warsong forces stationed in Ashenvale, and now after youve pushed the Kul Tiras back from the mainland you pursue for the sake of removing a threat by carnage instead of diplomacy. Yeah... peace is the priority.
Kul Tiras was setting up military bases in Durotar, breaking the treaty they had, and showing they weren't going to agree on diplomacy. Durotar was the least popluated place, but there were still harpies, quillboars, etc so they either could go dig themselves a 6 foot hole, or kill some. And the warsong forces in Ashenvale was Garrosh. Nobody agrees with/ likes Garrosh. But hey, atleast it was just because they needed some lumber and were only fighting nelves since they had to for it.
Could you have been even more obviously biased? Kul Tiras forces ATTACKED and wiped out few of the Horde camps already. They were preparing the military assault against the Horde to slaughter them all and showed that they are not interested in diplomacy. Thrall COULD have give the order to wipe out every single human in Theramore and the Orcs would do it gladly for all the years of oppression and hatred they endured in the human lands. But he didn't. He closed his eyes on the incident and said he has no more quarrel and the Horde will leave in peace. Thrall chose not to continue the cicle of hatred. Ashenvale was so boldly invaded and trees cut down by the orders of Garrosh, not Thrall. In Warcraft 3 the incident with the Nelfs was inevitable since the Orcs weren't even aware of Night Elves existence at the time. As for Centaurs, Harpies and Quilboars, as Cairne has already stated they did try to offer peace to these races of Kalimdor but they are simply too hostile. Taurens were even on brink of extinction because of centaurs.The reason why Orcs are not at war with the Tauren race is because Tauren are proud honourable race who are not hostile for no reason even to strangers.
Grom's Warsong Clan indeed continued the deforestation at the borders of Ashenvale Forest despite Thrall's and Shamans disagreements. But it was Garrosh order to invade the Ashenvale so boldly.
The stampede must be the absolute worst ability in the history of video games. You can't even hit anything with it AT ALL. THE LEAST they could do would be to not make it a channeled ability.
Also known as 'bad WoW writing' Because hey if everyone isn't a violent warmongering racist how are we going to make them a raid boss later? Illidan, Kael'thas, Vash, Garrosh, Orcs who were dead for years before the game... (Hey gotta use that time travel for something) Especially egregious is Kael'thas, I mean dude betrayed his people for the guy responsible for wiping out his people...so he can save his people. Wat.
Goraka91 Kael'thas didn't exactly betray his people to begin with, he tried to bring them all to Outland with Illidan to find another source of magic, but many Blood Elves didn't want to. Also, Illidan had nothing to do with wiping out Blood Elves.
Loremaster17 But by that point of siding with Kil'Jaeden the lich king was no longer under Kil'Jaeden's control so I imagine Kael'Thas saw it as a good opportunity for revenge (also he got power/magic hungry to insanity and I'm not 100% sure he knows Kil'Jaeden created the Lich King, we players know a lot of the lore, but that doesn't mean NPCs in the world do)
The God Emperor That's another good point. The majority of NPCs don't even know who the original Lich King actually was. Nobody saw Kil'jaeden turn Ner'zhul into the Lich King, and neither of them told anyone about it.
Hm. So where is Kul Tiras in World of Warcraft? Seems like a human nation would be pretty important to...not even be on the world map. C'mon Blizzard do you need Redshirt Guy to remind you of your actual lore? :\
Kul Tiras was an island nation of the coast of the Eastern Kingdoms I think it was in the sea under Gilneas to be exact,why Blizzard has erased it from the map in wow is anyone`s guess but it is assumed it was destroyed with the other human kingdoms in the Demon Invasion.
TheToodinho The assumption is that since it isn't a zone in the game, it would be 'confusing' to have it on the map. Not to mention, it technically would be close enough to the main land masses to fly to where its supposed to be on the world map before fatigue happens.
Nah Jaina is okay. She always loved Horde because she loved Thrall until Thrall betrayed her by taking that she-male as his mate. Then she raged and tried to destroy Orgrimmar... I think it would be cool if this was real :D
HighLanderPony If you don't help them, the humans eventually destroy all the bases and you lose. But only if you don't do anything since your heroes at that point are pretty much immortal gods of destruction so you can just go kill Proudmoore and not give a fuck about anything.
I think I'd enjoy the Horde campaign more if they weren't so self-righteous and hypocritical. Seriously, years of human oppression? Those poor little orcs, unfairly picked on just because they, you know, tried to eradicate mankind and their allies and didn't stop until they were forced to, and then once they finally freed themselves they got right back to it after they'd had time to lick their wounds. If they showed a bit more awareness of what they'd done and admitted that they needed to hole up in Durotar as a matter of their very survival until they could learn to stay on their side of the playground that would be one thing, but they keep on trying to pretend that they have the moral high ground even when their actions show clearly that the opposite is true. Face it, the orcs are the bad guys and they have been since the beginning. Even massive defeat and the near extinction of their entire race didn't teach them any lessons. It would be okay if the Horde characters themselves thought they were the good guys when they were clearly the bad guys but the story development made their hypocrisy clear, but the writers actually seem to believe the oppressed victim Horde tripe they're trying to shove down our throats, and that's just bad storytelling. The worst part is they use the oppressed victim Horde model as a standard to judge Alliance actions and paint them as unreasonable and wrong even as the Alliance keeps giving the Horde second chances and keeps suffering terribly for it. Meanwhile the morons among the Alliance who mindlessly support the Horde to the point of being traitors to their own people are painted as the moderate and reasonable good guys who are in the right, and if they ever see reality they suddenly become the bad guys. It's a fucked up distorted lens the writers keep trying to force me to look through, but I just can't.
They have moral high ground during the Founding of Durotar though. Proudmoore is the one who broke the peace treaty, invaded the lands that don't belong to him and started destroying settlements and establishing military outposts. The Horde fights him because he can't be reasoned with.
We will be conquers so fucking annoying here this ad all the fucking time we will never be slaves we will be conquers boost level 90 instantly I know I'm already level 100
There is supposed to be a cinematic where Jaina asks Rexxar to spare her troops in the assault. That's why you are not supposed to destroy the 'Theramore Guard' structures.
I was wondering where did that Cutscene go lol. I know she says that because after the battle, that'll be the only thing she'll have on Theramore and thus killing the structures MUST not happened.
This mission looks like it might be the one that inspired the entire MOBA genre.
You have to admit, With the Actions of the horde proceeding this, Especially in Cata and Mists, Admiral Proudmore has not been proven wrong yet.
But that's pretty much all Garrosh's fault. He is seriously the deadfly in a bowl of perfectly good soup.
TLCBonaparte And yet, Garrosh had many supporters. Not every orc supported him, I know, in fact most were against him, but it doesn't change that he had many of them. Not to mention that with him, the orcs can shove the whole "Blood of Mannoroth" excuse where the sun...
Oh, and before you start calling me an human symphathizer or something, I do not have any human alt, but I do have an orc alt (on 90 lv)
***** So what's your beef with the horde? By your argument maybe Horde deserve to be crushed by Kul Tiras? Now you need an alt because faction is gone.
TLCBonaparte I did not say that. Besides, I know WoW's lore: if the Horde had been crushed then and there, they wouldn't have helped with the Second War of the Shifting Sand, with the Burning Crusade, and War against the Lich King. So yeah, we would have been pretty fucked up.
I do not have a beef with the Horde, I am just poiting out that it wasn't just Garrosh who was bloodthirsty. So if anything, it would have closer to say that I have a beef with the orcs themselves.
TLCBonaparte Well, to be fair, the majority of the rank and file orcs supported Garrosh. He was what the common people wanted. The majority of the people that actually opposed him were either higher ranking orcs, most orcish shamans, or members of the other Horde races. So, yes, the majority of the Horde as a whole was against him, but the majority of the orcish race supported him.
Its a shame really. If Garrosh didn't have Thrall's initial support, he probably would have just stepped down as leader, without violence. That almost happened with him and Cairne, if it wasn't for Magatha.
Even now i still find it hilarious how hideos WoW's theramore compared to the one in this campaign.
Crendor is winning the race, in your face Husky!
27:30: Wait, Billy was there to?! Was he one of the Peons?
Dude, dude...i think Crendor just gave Billie a backstory.
Just? Billy has had a backstory for 2 years.
kopitarrules Thanks, didnt see that video!
Admiral Proudmoore; I will never stop fighting your kind.
Rexxar; "i'm Admiral Proudmoore, derpiederp!"
Proudmoore; ...what are..?
Rokhan; you be a big nerd, mon!
Proudmoore; By the Light, the Orcs are....using some kind of physcological warfare.
Chen; Now you are screwed, nerd!
Admiral Proudmoore; I AM NOT A NERD!
Archmage; Dont let them anger you, Admiral! Do not feed the troll!
Admiral Proudmoore; ...what?
Cairne; Look at me, i'm Admiral Proudmoore. I am dumb and get wrecked all the time.
Admiral Proudmoore; sunofabiatch! -runs off, gets owned-
And thus Trolling became a popular Horde tactic.
Don't let them get to you, Admiral Proudmoore! You're better that that, man, you're better than that! Though one has to wonder... if the horse is called Invincible, how come you can actually see it?
I love your avatar, man....Edward James Olmos is god.
GeneralProfessor Because invincible things aren't invisible, but rather don't die.
Malachite
Check out Crendor's video: "Da Trollin Troll" ;)
GeneralProfessor I HAVE FAILED. I MUST COMMIT SEPUKU.
Don't forget to do the rest of the Exodus of the Horde campaign which tells the story of what happened to Thrall between leaving Lordaeron (in the prologue campaign all the way back at the beginning) and getting to Kalimdor! It is found in the Custom Campaign menu.
Rexxar the unspoken hero /salute
Rexxar is one of my favorite people in Warcraft Lore...I named my Hunter's pet after Misha in honor of Rexxar...lol I loved the quest line with Rexxar in WoD,
:) And now you see why Rexxar is a badass and not just some weird NPC wandering around Desolace.
Isnt he also a quest giver at hellfire peninsula at the main horde outpost?
CYЯEO He also hangs out in Gorgrond now
CYЯEO
That is Nazgrel, the wolf rider you fight with in the first chapter of the Orc campaign.
Rexxar is in Blade's Edge Mountains, trying to get in contact with his old clan and killing the Gronn in that area.
His model also isn't updated lol
One of my favorite chapters in the whole campaign. It took so long cuz divided heroeos by base. Cairne was in the right one, Rexxar, Chen in the middle, and Rok'han with trolls... Was extremly long but fun.
I did exactly the same :D
i replayed it like 10 times xD
Gromx I know, right? Never got the hang of it?
I also split my heroes the same way.
Don't do bases - just kill Praudmur.
I like how crendor is breaking barrels and crates on the last mission...
Admiral Proudmoore tries to attack Orgrimmar? Jaina turns on her father and lets the Orcs kill him.
Warchief Garrosh decimates Theramoore? Thrall says he can't do anything to help her and will even fight her if she tries to attack Orgrimmar.
...What's with the questionmarks?
Scumbag Thrall
Thrall was with the Earthen Ring, attempting to keep the Maelstrom stable. Jaina was using water elementals to attack Orgrimmar and in doing so was undermining Earthen Ring's efforts to keep Azeroth safe. Let's also not forget that Admiral broke the peace treaty and Jaina fought to re-establish it. Meanwhile Horde and Alliance were at war during Cata and MoP and Theramore was used by the Alliance army as a staging ground to break into the Barrens.
GeneralProfessor Loremaster17 Doesn't change Thrall's a douche.
Nice timing on the upload, I just finnished Part 1, and now you can go and finnish the Undead campaign before Husky.
This last map kinda reminded me of the standard map you find in MOBAs nowadays. Observe how there is a top, a middle and a bottom lane with "minions" pushing. Just a coincidence I'm sure but kinda neat considering the mod that sprung up from this game.
That was the point of it. They made this map and the playstyle to be a bit like an AoS/DoTA style map (remember, at this point, DoTA, ToB, AoS, EoTC, and other such style maps were abundant and popular in War 3).
I just thought it was a neat coincidence but it they designed it with the mode in mind that really cool.
Nathan Cassidy Yea, I was happy when they announced Heroes of the Storm cause I was eager to see Blizzard's take on the genre. I mean, they made a Tower Defense map in War 3 too and, other than a few small issues that could improve it, it was better than most fan made tower defenses.
And I'll give them credit, they made an entry into the genre that can actually say, "I'm different."
When you Said UH! I Can kill their buildings! I slammed my head into my table :P
Wow when I completed this it took me so long and when I watched him get the panda warrior I was pissed saying it wouldn't have taken long if I had him
Beware beware the daughter of the sea
rexxar, the true champion of the horde
The start of the MOBA genre sits still in here
FOR REXXXXAR
Nerd. It's like 4:30 am. Did not expect the second part to come so early.. or late lol.
there is barrely anything in those barrels
crusadercanio my puns are crate.
BXRchampion1993
Crendor is truly one with the owls. It's a thing.
LOK'TAR
LOK"TAR
LOK"TAR!
FOR REXXAR!!!!!!!!!!!!
And thus he begins the best campaign.
My right ear enjoyed the silence,.
'Boost our morale!'
Wp, I see what you did there!
This campaign is such an innovative one since it is the foundation for WoW and the final battle is basically DotA prototype or inspired the foundation of DotA gameplay.
Yay and Undead campaign coming soon! Can't wait, my favorite one. :)
Yep, :D for me lore died when Arthas got his just reward. Best ending scene ever, always gives me the "chills" haha, I just made a pun without realizing, get it?.. I'll leave now.
2veki I remember when I first played it how I actually hated the Undead campaign because I couldn't stand Arthas betrayed everybody but then I came to love that and now he's my favourite villain. He's awesome and everytime I replay Warcraft III all over again, I can't wait to get to the last cinematic because you're right - it gives 'chills' every time. Amazing ending and one of the best in video game history...
Beatrixacs300 I am glad you feel the same, there are not many people who like him but to me he is the best character of all games I ever played. That's why I don't accept the death of him they made up in World of Warcraft... It's plain dumb, some 10 or 25 random loot hoarders barge in his citadel, and kill him. Wow yea that's really legit, Ofc. they just had to put "light" shit cause "good" always wins in the end. - . -
2veki Yes, he is the best character of all games I've ever played, I just love his history. Oh man, the death was so ridiculous, I remember how mad I was about it. After all the lore around his character and how invincible he was, the only thing the loot hoarders needed was old dude Fordring praying to the Light and Frostmourne was shattered... And with that, Arthas was defeated. Horrible way for a good villain to die.
2veki Well, it wasn't exactly 10 or 25 people who killed him, but his arrogance. He killed the entire raid, remember? But he left Tirion alive, letting him attack from behind (yes, Tirion attack was a cheap shot! The most honorable paladin ever had to cheat to defeat Arthas!).
But if you are unsatisfied with how Arthas' story met its end, then feel free to read my fanfic, Rebirth of the Damned :www.fimfiction.net/story/55373/rebirth-of-the-damned
This is my nostalgia
wtf where was the paladin thats supposed to be with proudmore i remember him being such a pain
Man, Rexxar was cool. And then came Hearthstone...
Crendor, who has played League many times, completely missed the point of this mission.
Crendor you will love the Arthas Campign you will learn so much and its so fun :P
Except for the first mission
Thinh Vo First mission's not so bad though, it's a fun little concept. Though a bit of a pain for Crendor I think (at least if it was on hard) since you have to manage 3 armies (sorta).
Undead Campaign is pretty good, but I don't like timed missions as much and I think Undead has the most iirc.
ya gotta hurry up and finish the campaign to beat husky, since he started his back up.
What a shame about Admiral Proudmoore. There was no need to kill him and certainly no need to mock him in death. He had seen so much devastation by the orcs that he couldn't simply forgive the Horde, even if it had changed since the darker times. I, for one, actually agrees with the Admiral, i don't understand why the humans should simply forgive the orcs and assume they'll leave the humans alone.
***** There is a big difference between wiping out anyone who have ever commited crime and forgiving carelessly like the crime didn't matter at all. I never said that i wanted all orcs to be wiped out, like the orcs almost did with the humans on multiple occasions, i simply said that the orcs shouldn't expect the humans to just forget and forgive all that the orcs ever did to them. Fact of the matter is, the orcs didn't have to kill the Admiral, they could've captured him and tried to talk sense to him or simply discuss why he hated the orcs and what the "new" horde could do to change his mind. But nope i guess, let's just storm the citadel and kill the Admiral and all his soldiers... Totally a different horde guys, really...
***** You're right, of course, that the orcs isolated themselves on another continent but it's not like the humans had their own continent anymore so "isolation" is gonna be difficult when the humans are also looking for a new home. Would i expect the orcs to just give up and go into the internment camps again? No. Are you justified to strike back if someone attacks you? Yes, most certainly. Does that mean that you should? Not necessarily. If Thrall wanted to start anew he should know that diplomacy is gonna do more good than war in the long run. He could've showed the humans that the new horde was different by defeating the Admiral and then showing mercy and talking to him instead of just killing him. As for what you say about a major human leader, i assume you mean Jaina Proudmoore... you know... the admirals daughter... Knowing how Jaina thought of the conflict between the humans and the orcs at the time, don't you think she would have preferred for the issue to be solved diplomaticly? Not only would the relationship between orcs and humans have improved but she would still have her father...
***** I'd like to see him refuse diplomacy when held at swordpoint, you're right he was racist but he was certainly not an idiot, at least i can't see that in him. Saying someone has to die is a very narrowminded thing to say, especially when you're the one on top of the situation. Thrall had an army of Orcs, Trolls, Tauren and Ogres at his disposal, what was the Admiral gonna do when he lay on the ground, beaten and unarmed? Refuse to listen to the orcs? Saying he'd rather die? Possibly. But i don't think he would refuse to listen to his daughter. Who knows? Given enough time Jaina could maybe have convinced the Admiral to see that he was wrong, but now we'll never know and the humans have another reason to hate orcs.
The admirals attack on the jungle trolls was completely uncalled for and you and i can easily agree that those actions were inexcusable. I never claimed that the admiral was perfect and given a situation of diplomacy had happend, the admiral certainly had his crimes to answer for, just as the orcs had.
***** He was not as racist as Garithos. The destruction caused by the Horde in Stormwind, Lordaeron and Quelthalas was to much. Even after his death he was not wrong. The Horde Invade Ashenvale, Gilneas, bombed Theramore, destroy the Vale of Eternal Blossom. The Horde have not proven themselves to be trustworthy even until now.
***** That was in Pandaria. The Invasion of Gilneas, Sylvans was all in at that times and the Invasion of Ashenvale, most of the Horde leader were fine with it since Orgrimmar were out of resources and the Night Elf refuse to trade. The bombing of Theramore was their breaking point but the fact still clear that the Horde still support Garrosh in Ashenvale.
So what the admiral is saying is basically: You will never change so I won't either. Such a man-child.
22:13 yeah get a solid mid-haywaitaminute...
We love you Rexxar, until we find you on the Hearthstone ladder
Greetings, traveler.
- Bring out your dead!
- Coin
- I feel icky!
Thrall: We have no interest in conquest or murder.
You took the lands from centaurs, harpies, quillboars and more races, you still have Warsong forces stationed in Ashenvale, and now after youve pushed the Kul Tiras back from the mainland you pursue for the sake of removing a threat by carnage instead of diplomacy.
Yeah... peace is the priority.
Kul Tiras was setting up military bases in Durotar, breaking the treaty they had, and showing they weren't going to agree on diplomacy. Durotar was the least popluated place, but there were still harpies, quillboars, etc so they either could go dig themselves a 6 foot hole, or kill some. And the warsong forces in Ashenvale was Garrosh. Nobody agrees with/ likes Garrosh. But hey, atleast it was just because they needed some lumber and were only fighting nelves since they had to for it.
Could you have been even more obviously biased? Kul Tiras forces ATTACKED and wiped out few of the Horde camps already. They were preparing the military assault against the Horde to slaughter them all and showed that they are not interested in diplomacy. Thrall COULD have give the order to wipe out every single human in Theramore and the Orcs would do it gladly for all the years of oppression and hatred they endured in the human lands. But he didn't. He closed his eyes on the incident and said he has no more quarrel and the Horde will leave in peace. Thrall chose not to continue the cicle of hatred.
Ashenvale was so boldly invaded and trees cut down by the orders of Garrosh, not Thrall. In Warcraft 3 the incident with the Nelfs was inevitable since the Orcs weren't even aware of Night Elves existence at the time. As for Centaurs, Harpies and Quilboars, as Cairne has already stated they did try to offer peace to these races of Kalimdor but they are simply too hostile. Taurens were even on brink of extinction because of centaurs.The reason why Orcs are not at war with the Tauren race is because Tauren are proud honourable race who are not hostile for no reason even to strangers.
RobiePAX you are right man but it was Groms forces not Garroshs forces but you have had everything else right so yeah good for you here is a cookie
Grom's Warsong Clan indeed continued the deforestation at the borders of Ashenvale Forest despite Thrall's and Shamans disagreements. But it was Garrosh order to invade the Ashenvale so boldly.
i havent played wow in a long time so you are probably right im not gonna argue with someone that knows more then me in this so uhm pancakes
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The stampede must be the absolute worst ability in the history of video games. You can't even hit anything with it AT ALL. THE LEAST they could do would be to not make it a channeled ability.
Holy fucking shit, Jaina turned into her father during Pandaria, it all makes sense now, poor girl.
Also known as 'bad WoW writing'
Because hey if everyone isn't a violent warmongering racist how are we going to make them a raid boss later?
Illidan, Kael'thas, Vash, Garrosh, Orcs who were dead for years before the game... (Hey gotta use that time travel for something)
Especially egregious is Kael'thas, I mean dude betrayed his people for the guy responsible for wiping out his people...so he can save his people. Wat.
Goraka91 Kael'thas didn't exactly betray his people to begin with, he tried to bring them all to Outland with Illidan to find another source of magic, but many Blood Elves didn't want to. Also, Illidan had nothing to do with wiping out Blood Elves.
Loremaster17 But by that point of siding with Kil'Jaeden the lich king was no longer under Kil'Jaeden's control so I imagine Kael'Thas saw it as a good opportunity for revenge (also he got power/magic hungry to insanity and I'm not 100% sure he knows Kil'Jaeden created the Lich King, we players know a lot of the lore, but that doesn't mean NPCs in the world do)
The God Emperor That's another good point. The majority of NPCs don't even know who the original Lich King actually was. Nobody saw Kil'jaeden turn Ner'zhul into the Lich King, and neither of them told anyone about it.
I think you missed a cinematic...
rexxar is the best horde
As a Stupid kid at the time , I got stuck in the Mines :/ .
Why does this map look extremely like a MOBA?
dat morale
Hm.
So where is Kul Tiras in World of Warcraft? Seems like a human nation would be pretty important to...not even be on the world map.
C'mon Blizzard do you need Redshirt Guy to remind you of your actual lore? :\
there are few remaining Kul Tiras in Durotar. Don't know if they changed that though with Cataclysm.
Kul Tiras was an island nation of the coast of the Eastern Kingdoms I think it was in the sea under Gilneas to be exact,why Blizzard has erased it from the map in wow is anyone`s guess but it is assumed it was destroyed with the other human kingdoms in the Demon Invasion.
We don't know where it is, even Blizz doesn't know. They said Cataclysm did a lot of damage to it, but that's it.
Actually we kinda of do www.wowwiki.com/Kul_Tiras they just didnt put it in wow for some reason.
TheToodinho The assumption is that since it isn't a zone in the game, it would be 'confusing' to have it on the map. Not to mention, it technically would be close enough to the main land masses to fly to where its supposed to be on the world map before fatigue happens.
Where u got a panda?
Have you guys ever wondered? Lothar sounds like an orcish name. Greatest human warrior and his name sounds orcish.
No, never say such foul thing again please.
Seriously Lok tar Ogar.... Lothar Ogar... Come on man you know it's true.
Man.. I feel so bad for Jaina. She deserves to be full of hate towards the Horde after all the shit they did to her.
Nah Jaina is okay. She always loved Horde because she loved Thrall until Thrall betrayed her by taking that she-male as his mate. Then she raged and tried to destroy Orgrimmar... I think it would be cool if this was real :D
Sir lothar suxs Get em drunk and that my friends is warcraft 3
Just drop the bomb
OMG did u say Sir Lothar sucks ??? O.o
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You really didn't have to constantly go back to help the camps...
Otherwise, decent job nerd :^)
Funny how he was shitting his pants, when you can barely lose this mission, if at all.
HighLanderPony If you don't help them, the humans eventually destroy all the bases and you lose. But only if you don't do anything since your heroes at that point are pretty much immortal gods of destruction so you can just go kill Proudmoore and not give a fuck about anything.
TheNovicek That's why I said 'you can barely lose this mission, if at all'.
HighLanderPony "if at all" means you aren't sure
TheNovicek Yeah, ok. Thought it was implied that going AFK would make you lose.
I think I'd enjoy the Horde campaign more if they weren't so self-righteous and hypocritical. Seriously, years of human oppression? Those poor little orcs, unfairly picked on just because they, you know, tried to eradicate mankind and their allies and didn't stop until they were forced to, and then once they finally freed themselves they got right back to it after they'd had time to lick their wounds.
If they showed a bit more awareness of what they'd done and admitted that they needed to hole up in Durotar as a matter of their very survival until they could learn to stay on their side of the playground that would be one thing, but they keep on trying to pretend that they have the moral high ground even when their actions show clearly that the opposite is true.
Face it, the orcs are the bad guys and they have been since the beginning. Even massive defeat and the near extinction of their entire race didn't teach them any lessons. It would be okay if the Horde characters themselves thought they were the good guys when they were clearly the bad guys but the story development made their hypocrisy clear, but the writers actually seem to believe the oppressed victim Horde tripe they're trying to shove down our throats, and that's just bad storytelling.
The worst part is they use the oppressed victim Horde model as a standard to judge Alliance actions and paint them as unreasonable and wrong even as the Alliance keeps giving the Horde second chances and keeps suffering terribly for it. Meanwhile the morons among the Alliance who mindlessly support the Horde to the point of being traitors to their own people are painted as the moderate and reasonable good guys who are in the right, and if they ever see reality they suddenly become the bad guys.
It's a fucked up distorted lens the writers keep trying to force me to look through, but I just can't.
They have moral high ground during the Founding of Durotar though. Proudmoore is the one who broke the peace treaty, invaded the lands that don't belong to him and started destroying settlements and establishing military outposts. The Horde fights him because he can't be reasoned with.
lok'tar bitches!
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