Top 10 Games that Need to be Dethroned
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Tom, Sam, and Zee discuss some critical darlings - and why they need to be knocked down and dethroned!
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00:00 - Introduction
02:06 - Sam’s #10
03:02 - Tom’s #10
04:02 - Zee’s #10
05:31 - Tom’s #9
07:16 - Zee’s #9
09:30 - Sam’s #9
12:09 - Zee’s #8
15:31 - Sam’s #8
16:42 - Tom’s #8
18:33 - Zee’s #7
21:14 - Tom’s #7
23:32 - Sam’s #7
25:40 - Tom’s #6
28:26 - Sam’s #6
31:40 - Zee’s #6
33:18 - Sam’s #5
35:10 - Zee’s #5
38:26 - Tom’s #5
41:20 - Sam’s #4
43:28 - Tom’s #4
44:55 - Zee’s #4
48:01 - Tom’s #3
49:39 - Zee’s #3
51:59 - Sam’s #3
54:33 - Zee’s #2
58:35 - Sam’s #2
01:00:18 - Tom’s #2
01:04:29 - Zee’s #1
01:06:59 - Tom’s #1
01:11:19 - Sam’s #1
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You guys need to do this list yearly and show what has changed. In 2019 this list would likely be drastically different
I would love to see a follow-up to this video on whether the game has now been dethroned and by what.
Agreed!
"I'm looking for that trick-taking game that's played everywhere!"
I'm guessing the Crew would be the dethroner there
I'm guessing that Splendor would be gang murdered by Century, Azul, and Happy City
2022 here still wanting a revisit!
Adding to the list of viewers that would like a follow-up to this video.
Zee's comedic timing was ON POINT this video. ..."hate to keep bring it up"
Inflatable terrain must become a thing! :D
is that being esoteric?
Zee is the man!
I completely agree. The comedic banter is worth as much as any game advice.
***** I feel like that's one of the reasons they are so well\highly regarded besides the clear knowledge about the industry and games. If they actually had training in comedy I could only imagine the content they produce. If you have ever seen the Game Grumps table flip they play board games but have improv training and it's absolutely fantastic.
Sam: "I'm not really a grumpy person..." LOL
Throat punch incoming :D
He just plays one on UA-cam.
Has he never watched the videos he is in
Is it an American thing, this obsession with theme? As a Brit, my experience is that, in general, theme isn't all that important, in relation to the mechanics of the game.
I found that British people care even MORE about them than Americans ;)
Julia Spearing just the opposite. I love theme more than most, but almost all of YT channels I watch that focus on thematic games are U.K. Based. Also, the kings of thematic games, Games Workshop.
Good theme makes good game mechanics a better game.
It seems so, together with making huge boxes and too value a game for cardboard per USD.
Kind of? But to be honest, as a US/UK joint citizen who has lived and gamed in both parts of the world I would include GB into that love of theme over more dry, elegant Euros.
Like, personally I like both and have plenty of games in my collection with a pretty paper-thin theme. But...theme's still important. It can absolutely polish an "okay" design into a gem of a game overall. And when the theme works in a really GOOD design...it can elevate a game to levels that design alone just can't achieve.
As someone who worked at a newspaper that tried to get rid of the bridge column. The paper got so many complaints bridge was brought back the next week.
Matthew Romanada Cribbage is a far better card game.
Chess is also public domain. Literally anyone can produce a copy and sell it.
So is Go, a much better game mechanically...
@@almisami or backgammon and its variants, a clever mix of dice and skill.
@@almisami isn't Arimaa even more complex yet easier to learn?
Though I recall its commercial use is still limited
Codenames: Pictures is actually harder to play as the codemaster, but on the other hand, it avoid the accidental uttering of the wrong word. In either case, I think the whole idea of "people sitting around staring at the cards" means your group hasn't yet learned to trashtalk and confuse the other team during their turn. Adds a whole bunch more stress. We don't even use the timer. The main appeal is that the game serves large groups of new players, and it's easy to slip people into the game if they arrive late.
I think its actually very sad what Sam said about KDM. Dice tower is a source of information and review, and a reference to me. When I was thinking about investing money on KS campaign, I hoped to find something here, but coudn´t find even a note. Its a shame the hate coming from Sam, without even playing the game, just because of the theme. The miniatures on the base game aren t even offensive in any way, he sould inform himself.
Besides a boardgame, a hobby that we all love, earning 13 milion bucks on KS should be a motive to celebrate.
lol it's okay I've never take anything seriously from Sam.
Eh--it seems like some of the Dice Tower guys (Sam especially) seem rather effected by what they consider to be "offensive" or "uncomfortable" content in some games.
That's totally fine if they're just some guys doing UA-cam videos. That's terrible to the point of negligence if you consider them journalism.
In reality...they're somewhere in the middle (they DO receive funding beyond just UA-cam ad revenues, but they also do not portray themselves as impartial journalists). Ultimately, I think Dice Tower just isn't the source for detailed and/or impartial coverage on games with certain content.
Yeah, it's kind of annoying hearing that something should be "dethroned" because...it's too popular/pervasive when it wasn't played due to personal concerns. But I'm not sure it's fair to hold these guys to more impartial, "fair" coverage if they've never presented themselves as such. Though the fact that Sam now DOES host full segments on the channel rather than just sitting in as "Tom's friend" DOES lean him slightly into a more formal role.
Daniel Rosini and the reasoning was just blah. I mean, KDM had maybe 4 weeks where it was prominent. Rising Sun is probably much worse in that regard.
Is "sad" really the right word here? i can understand that you're disappointed, but KDM just doesn't really fit with the Dice Tower's brand as i see it. Aren't there other reviewers you can trust to give you information about that game? KDM doesn't seem to have needed the Dice Tower to succeed. Why should the Dice Tower need KDM? There are so many other sources online if there's a game that the Dice Tower hasn't covered..
Actually for me it is....I kinda give a damn about what the guys on DT have to say about games, and it pisses me off seing people giving then a hard time because of their christian beliefs.Guess its just the case of expectations not met =D
How about a "Tremors" hidden movement game where multiple creatures need to find the humans on the surface? :D
YES!
Sorry. Sounds too much like battle ship when I think about it.
A good base for the hidden movement mechanics could be Escape the Aliens in Outer Space.
Great idea! Let’s develop it. They did something similar recently with Jaws 🦈
@@codeman99-dev except instead of you probing enemy locations, the prey generate noise by themselves
I love it when Tom is ranting about scrabble meanwhile Zee is hopelessly trying to explain to Sam what “Qi” is 😂
I love how he said Fury of Dracula was too complex to play with mom and dad, and it's the first board game I've ever managed to get my parents to play and want to play again.
Sam said he never heard anyone say about how good kingdom death is, but that is all I ever hear about the game
me too
I would argue it's also the number one reason why they keep hearing about it: it's an amazing game that should be played by anyone who calls himself a reviewer or pretend to be a catalyst for the hobby.
And let's all reiterate it again (to no avail, I know): the erotic/mysoginist/uber disgusting models are NOT PART OF THE MAIN GAME nor lore, and MANY, MANY, MANY KDM players (myself included) couldn't care less about them.
MONOPOLY! WHERE?!
About Codenames:
I think it's a fine example of the "magic" that a game can have. It goes against reason to resist playing or introducing people to it, because it's so widely loved. That said, I think I enjoy it only about half as much as everyone else, and less every time I play. I like it okay, especially at 4 players, but I'm stunned how much everyone likes it.
I think the success of the game can be attributed to, primarily, 2 things(keep in mind, this is off-the-cuff, I really could talk about this for an hour):
It's pretty easy to grasp, so players who don't want to invest mentally in a game get to the delightful struggle without much work.
It rewards a shared sense of identity. Players always attribute their successes this way. It's never "I picked up your clue from this other clue and pieced the message together"(though that is totally plausible), it's usually "we're winning because we're all sports fans" or "I am just on the same wavelength as you".
We had a game recently where it was men vs women. The women are all schoolteachers and/or moms, and the guys are a mixed bag. The women got a clue "Independence Day:2" (sketchy clue, I know), and immediately got "alien" and "fighter". While trying to throw them off the trail, I suggested "England", which they weren't considering. I thought it would be a big risk, might just be the right answer I'm tipping them off to. Instead I got blank stares and looks of confusion. Not one of them could imagine how England would have anything to do with Independence Day. When I clued them in later, they said "well, I guess. That's more about America than England", and got a look of "yeah, that's right" from all around.
It wasn't a clever strategy, a successful communication, or an in joke. What won the day was a shared kind of outlook. You'll win if your team are all non-video gamers playing off the clue "Nintendo" and skipping word "cartridge" in favor of "crash". That feeling of being rewarded by seeing what you have in common with other people is powerful and resonates deeply.
Tom's #7 "I want a fast fun racing game that everyone is talking about." - after 6 years it's finally here, "Heat pedal to the metal"!
Pure Trading? Chinatown!
Agreed. Also, Lords of Vegas has a good bit of trading in it as well.
Pit is a pure trading game. haha.
Just saw this after I commented, throw in another agreed.
Chinatown is my favourite also and it's been around for almost 20 years. I can't believe these guys haven't played it yet. They must have just forgotten it.
You know I was taught Lords of Vegas with 2 people who had played it before. But they played with very little trading, ha, I won the game and showed them the power of trading. I did a lot of trading and probably opened their eyes. Great game, not sure if it's a beginner game like Catan tho.
Munchkin needs to be dethroned by an actually good game... I like the humour of Munchkin, but the game is waaaaay to long, and all the fun gets zapped out of it.
Check out "Red Dragon Inn." Much better game that feels fun from the get go. Munchkin is boring as can be until someone gets to level 8 or so.
- The big 'squares' that you can use with poker are called plaques. :)
- I like Codenames, and I always tell people to think out loud. The codemaster can't react of course or think out loud but it's amusing nevertheless to hear the players associate. It doesn't need to be a silent game imo.
"I want 'Words With Enemies'"
Simpsons already did it. "You sunk my Scrabbleship!"
The good thing with Sentinels is that you are one hero, with Legendary you could be fielding four different heroes. And the other players are playing the very same heroes as you are. There's no personal investment, no role play as it were.
Nothing will ever overthrow the god emperor of mankind. NOTHING
Wow you kind of nailed the games that were iterated on over the past 4 years
Chess Boxing is an Henki Bilal invention (real good French Bande-Dessinée creator and designer). It appeared in his comics in the late 90's and early 2000 and then was adaptated as a sport by fans.
Great video, thanks !
In regards to El Grande, isn't Zee just describing the Dice Tower Essentials game, Royals?
Tom: Thus games kinda old DETHRONE IT!Sam: This game has too much hype DETHRONE IT!Zee: This game is too long and fidly DETHRONE IT!
Just a quick word about Chess-Boxing (from an old chess player). They're more closely related endeavours than you might think. Lennox Lewis, for example, is a strong chess player who funds after school chess clubs. I've never boxed, but I've read that they share core skills - delivering fundamentals under intense pressure, understanding movement, position and strategy, or increasing one's strength through training. What at first glance seems like a ludicrous idea actually makes a decent amount of sense. Just saying. Peace x
Oh man. Betrayal is my number one. That was a good choice.
Betrayal is up their with Consulting detective as games that just INFURIATE me. Like, you have these amazing old games that keep getting reprinted but the publisher NEVER FIXES THE PROBLEMS. In Betrayal, it's the wonky rules, in Consulting Detective, some typos that have legit made me waste HOURS over the course of all 10 cases.
Yeah, I'd love something like that that's a proper game. Like, Last Night on Earth mechanisms or something.
BothGabor I get that Betrayal's variable system makes it kind of hard but--Christ, it shouldn't be THAT hard to make a coherent game out of it. Mansions of Madness does well (granted, with much less variety). Or hell, just slap a roleplaying dice engine in it and a brief one-page rules explanation of each scenario and you're off.
I mean, if we can have games like 504 work pretty well out of the box, how is Betrayal constantly stumbling out of the gate?
@@jonofpdx I know it's a 2 year old discussion, but do you know anything about Betrayal at Baldur's Gate? Does it maybe fix any of the mentioned problems?
@@nyiridonat Haven't played it, I'm afraid. Not sure.
"I hate a game I never played" I feel like you violated a reviewer code of ethics or something.
Zee...you described Royals when looking for a game to replace El Grande :P
I was scrolling though the comments to see if anyone mentioned this, before I did myself.
I didn't scroll down far enough. I said the same thing when I heard his #7.
Bryan Connelly was just doing the same thing. I assumed he had played all the Dice Tower Essentials!
How can i find the music that was played in the end?
thanks for help :)
Dethrone Scrabble? if your talking mechanics then Qwirkle. If you're talking words then letter tycoon.
not really its not been dethroned possibly because it is actually a good game
@@readilium3432 you sound like an elitist modern gamer who cannot accept that games like Scrabble and Monopoly are actually enjoyable to a lot of people
"They literally sell a Scrabble dictionary!"
"Is it really a dictionary?"
"No. It's just a bunch of words."
(whispering) "So is a dictionary."
BEST LINE - "I can whoop on a chess player!"
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What do you mean Tom? Stratego is literally chess but cool and fun and still has the same overall punch, its perfect!
A feast for Odin is definitely the most Viking(y) game. Because Vikings were merchants in the first place
If you ask Rahdo, Nations dethrones Through the Ages.
Mentat1231 ayeah, but does hr absolutely adore it ?
I think I've had my annual safe dose of grumpy old man after watching this one.
I consider Canasta to be an "old person game" - but when I finally learned it, I actually find it's really fun to play :-)
That's because you got old.
Tales of the Arabian Nights with an app instead of the giant book would be a big improvement. If it'd read the choices to you, walk you through it, ask you to choose in the app, it would be a lot shorter and more fun.
Me thinking gloomhaven is on the list until I see the date of the video. Woops
I hope they don't dethrone gloomhaven because I don't want another 100 hours campaign that I will never come close to finish.
@@DarkLeviathan8 *Frosthaven intensifies*
Codenames is people sitting staring at cards quietly? Clearly Sam is playing with boring as fuck people. Whenever I've played the only person sat quietly is the Codemaster as everyone else furiously argues over their interpretations of the clue given, and even then it's taking an effort of will for them not to start yelling as well, pointing out how blindingly obvious the clue is.
There's a reason Password has been game TV game show. It's fun to watch the person guessing try to work out what their partner is getting at. I think perhaps Sam is focused too much on his own turn when playing codenames. The fun is actually in watching the other team struggle to convey information that you know.
I mean, if you can't think of ways to connect more than one word together with a clue, I guess it would suck... but that's the fun part of the game, thinking up crazy clues that connect multiple words together.
I like games that degenerate into dead silence sometimes. That means everyone is running near 100% mental capacity. This is one of the reasons I love Splendor. I explain the game in like 5 minutes, it is DEAD SIMPLE, new players often end the explaination with "thats it?" and then the game starts and you can see the gears start turning as the playfield changes much faster than expected, to play well you really need to track what everyone else is doing, etc...
I think the quiet part he's referring to is when the codemaster is trying to come up with a serviceable clue. It can be a beast sometimes.
Yeah, I think a timer really helps this game. It can make it too stressful for the codemaster, but if that person cannot come up with clues fast enough it is best if they do not play that role anyway.
7 years later and Codenames, El Grande, Chess, and (for me) Kingdom Death have still not been replaced.
30:10 I would love to see a live playthrough of Zug um Zug Deutchland with those passengers.
New Angeles as a quasi-BSG replacement?
I think Zee is missing the point with Dead of Winter as far as how the game makes everyone look like a traitor. He says he wants to excise that dynamic from the game, but the fact that each player is keeping an eye out for a possible double-cross while advancing their own agenda IS already shaping story subplots within the greater narrative of Dead of Winter. Nothing will ever change the overarching tale -- a group of isolated survivors huddled together in the cold and fending off undead hordes -- that's more or less fixed and dictated by the game's thematic design and components. It's the context of each individual's actions and how their decisions play out from moment to moment within that environment that creates a unique and memorable story.
I get that. I understand WHY the mechanic exists from both a thematic and gameplay standpoint (and I assume Zee does as well).
I still can't stand that mechanic.
By giving players the hidden agendas that DO NOT match how the player may WANT to act in a given scenario from a gameplay AND thematic point of view, your working at cross purposes with player agency (which I think of as more important than hiding the traitor). I would much rather INCENTIVIZE (without requiring) players to take more suspicious actions to more organically replicate that mistrust and confusion. But then you would probably have to allow for a beefier traitor reveal/powerset (a'la something like Betrayal or even Shadows). At which point, it's a pretty different game.
That doesn't make it a BAD game. But...yeah, I would love for a game to come along that does as well as Dead of Winter does with other aspects of its themeing without that mechanic.
The only reason I like Dead of Winter is because everyone looks like a traitor. It was funny to see him complain about that.
That whole thing that Tom was saying about Betrayal at House on the Hill where sometimes you look at the traitor scenario and you're like "oh ya I just won" and then you don't even play it out because there's no point is SO ACCURATE.
80% of the games didnt sit on ANY throne in 2017
All my friends think board games are nerdy.... I need new friends
Chris Taggart, sometimes nerdy friends are the best friends. 🤓
Outside of friends who play poker, I’m in the same 🚣♂️ boat.
I friggin love code names (and dixit).
What are the other abstract strategy games that Tom mentions?
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If you want competitors for trick-taking games, I'd recommend the two most popular classic card games in Germany: Skat and Doppelkopf (double head). Skat is a highly technical game, where skilled players are almost guaranteed to win any hand but the most busted distributions. Doppelkopf is superficially familiar, but it is a much more chaotic sort-of co-operative game.
Sam: I know nothing about this game... and I'm sick of it.
That's what happens when people talk about something constantly without divulging any information about it. That's like me telling you over and over again, days upon end, that you really gotta buy this cardboard box, but I'm not going to tell you any useful information about it, like...what's in the box?
"Hasbro should be dethroned"
lmao
26:30 what is the trick taking game he said? 'Teachu'?
I had an idea for a "top 10" list. Make each number a genre, like 10 - Worker Placement. 9 - Cooperative and so on. Then all three of you pick your favorite game of each genre and argue over why it's the best one and why people would like yours. It's kind of more like a debate, but I think it would play out very well in your Top 10 format AND it would get the best games of the biggest genres all in one video for people who would like that too.
I'm really surprised there was no mention whatsoever of Monopoly, which holds, wait for it, the monopoly on family boardgame...
You must be on something really good. Monopoly's staple is that any theme can be thrown on it, so it sells copies. It is *not* a stretch to say that Monopoly sells more copies per year than number of games played. Most definitely true if you only count games of Monopoly that finished. Seriously the easiest game to hate ever.
99codemister Even not taking all that aspect of Monopoly into account, if we are just talking about popularity, Monopoly is still the most well-known boardgame. Since most agree it's a bad game design according to today's standards, it should be at the top of this kind of list. Then again, it's so obvious there is no point in putting it there.
My point was that the game isn't even liked by casual gamers. Seriously, everyone I have ever asked has both owned a copy and disliked the game. You don't even need to compare it to "modern games". It was pretty well beaten itself down before I was even born (1990, fyi).
Monopoly hasn't quite been dethroned yet, but a good chunk of its kingdom has been annexed off to Catan.
I dunno how Nations wasn't mentioned as a civilization game that compares to Through the Ages. I enjoy both, but Nations is MUCH shorter with 3-5.
It's also got some serious game mechanic issues that make it easy to abuse. Same goes for Clash of Cultures where the game is basically a solved puzzle. You either play it one way or you lose and if you get a barbarian village near you and your opponents don't you lose. TTA and the FFG civ version are all much better Civ games but ar elong which is what a civ game is supposed to be. Tom's off his rocker on this one.
Has Zee played Agents of SMERSH? It's basically a much gamier version of Tales of the Arabian Nights.
1:01:21 what are these other strategy games?
It sounds like Sam just wants people to stop talking about games they like that he doesn't.
Sentinels of the Multiverse is my favorite game. I agree with Tom. We need superhero games to compete with it.
Letters of Whitechapel - Have you played Scotland Yard?
Vegas Showdown - The Killer here is Mad King Ludwig.
The biggest problem with 40k is they keep changing the rules without keeping any backwards compatibility. I'd like to be able to play my Deathwing, Kult of Speed and Squats armies in modern rule sets.
Those Bridge entries in the newspapers are maybe a form of communication between terrorist cells :)
Never played KDM but dislikes it... smh.
Tom the best trick playing game is Euchre. So much faster and better then bridge or hearts. I know it's heavily played here in Michigan. I remember tables of ppl playing it in high school at lunch time and parties.
Terry Wardlaw it’s really popular here in Indiana too
I think the trouble with Bridge is that IF you play it with all the weird(?) conventions of bidding and scoring its quite a pompous game...strip that away and its a good partnership card game...possibly the best
I feel Sam missed the point on several picks loke Nexus ops. It wasn't games that need an upgrade in components.
I've been a Heroscape guy since the beginning. All they needed to do was throw in a board mat with the hexes and some hex pieces that are already 7 or 8 layers high. That's it. You can buy mats online and it saves a lot of time if you want to play a quick match.
As an avid chess-player (I do the daily puzzle on chess.com and the tactics training, I play online almost every day)... Chess needs to be dethroned. It has the highest throne of any game in existence: Internationally played at tournament level... respected as though it indicates a person's intelligence... openings, mid-game principles, endgame all analyzed and memorized and named... Any number of two-player abstracts could be just as idolized, memorized, and equated to a person's IQ; it is an accident of history that it was chess and not Hive or any of the Gipf games, etc. It's one of my favorite games, but it's really time for another abstract to take the stage. It's been time for that for hundreds of years.
Mentat1231 I love playing chess with real people. But I just don't have the desire to memorize openings and study books about it. The worst thing is, it's hard to find people like me. Most people have no interest in playing it or they're addicted. Life is too short, so I prefer to play simpler games with my family and friends. IMO, it is the greatest board game of all time, though.
I nominate Go. It's just as pretentious.
Shogi is so much better then chess. It dethroned chess for me. 'Nuff said :)
Trench, based on the WW1, is the next chess to be dethroned!
To dethrone chess you would need the game to be free for everyone to make copies.
I disagree. I don't think availability on that scale would make a difference. I don't think there is a better 2 player game out there at the moment. There may be more that are more fun, more thematic etc. but from a purely mechanical point of view, Chess is king of the hill.
Did you try Bohnanza with one less reshuffle than usual? Works well here.
What I'm a little confused about is why, on the subject of games with secret movement, Colt Express wasn't mentioned? It's not that I think they need to love it, but it's a major, recent game that has hidden movement, and if they don't think it has dethroned Letters From Whitechapel, it's strange that they didn't explain why.
Is it because Colt Express is a Programmable Movement game? Is that treated as a different game mechanic than Hidden Movement? I haven't played Letters From Whitechapel. Does it handle movement in a way that is closer to Scotland Yard than it is to Robo Rally? (I think I heard them mention pens and paper...)
Idiotic comment from Sam about not liking and getting tired of hearing about Kingdom Death: Monster. Says he's never played it, and doesn't care about playing it. It's one of the best all around campaign board games that have been made. Lots of strategy and decision making. I understand if he's being a prude about the adult theme of the game, but the game mechanics are top notch. It has one of the highest ratings on Boardgamegeek that I have ever seen, mid 9's and climbing. Just don't make a blind judgment on a game based on your personal moral compass or whatever.
they are talking about a Dune remake, so perhaps they will make a new movie version of Dune (as it would sell well alongside the movie)
Both of these things happened :)
bro predicted the future
A somehow late question, but Tom mentioned that for him Exodus dethroned Eclipse...why Empires of the Void is never mentioned? Do you think that is at the same level of Exodus with a feel of TI3?
Can someone please tell me what the space game is that Tom mentioned - something something zoma centauri??
Exodus: Proxima Centauri
SharlzG Exodus: Proxima Centauri
Thanks Dan and Brian
Kingdom Death: Monster really is a fantastic game, especially for a huge fan of Final Fantasy Tactics like myself. The only criticisms I have are the prohibitive price (my gaming group had to combine funds to buy it) and the unforgiving insta-death dice rolls (we just ignore those). Sam is usually my favorite reviewer, but it's sad to see him hating on a game he hasn't even played.
it seems to me that sam is reacting to the hype more than the game that he hasn't played. hype is super annoying (and i know the DT contributes to it just like everyone else on the internet). i haven't played food chain magnate, and probably would enjoy it, but i'm so turned off by everyone saying it's the best thing since sliced bread, that alone is enough to make me never want to play it. it sounded to me like sam was coming at KDM from a similar angle, added to the fact that he's turned off by the theme.
"hype is super annoying"
Tell me about it, like with Mechs & Minions. Atleast its rather afforrdable compared to KD:M
Yeah, I spent less on Mechs vs Minions than I spent on Caverna, and it was easier to get as well (lots of material shortage issues when caverna came out). Fun game for sure, I am loving it. I think it deserves most of the hype it is getting. The box which gets praised actually annoys me a little bit though. the super nice inserts mean it takes up more space and makes the box stupidly big when it really does not need to be that big. maybe if you paint all your minions, but with just the nice wash on them, there is no reason they can't be just crammed in a compartment. It would be way more convenient and space saving. They are made out of a similar plastic as blood rage minis and are pretty much indestructible.
I feel that it's worth it to point out that good games deserve a little bit of hype. I am currently in for the KD Kickstarter... but the only reason that I heard about it in the first place was because of my uncle referring me to 'this crazy nerdy intense game'. I am by no means rich or much of an impulse buyer. HOWEVER, in extensive reading, I did not see a bad review. The worst thing that I read was, "yes, it is expensive. If you get it and decide that you hate it, chances are you can still sell it for a profit". Not compelling, but with my love of board games and tabletop games (especially cooperative ones), it didn't seem like something that I wanted to pass up on.
I have loved watching dice tower and seeing their reviews on games for years. I couldn't be much more dissapointed about Sam throwing down a game just because of hype though. After all, as a very successful UA-cam channel, it is actually their job to create hype, thus they shouldn't be complaining too hard when people are content with their purchase and are excited to see the creator be successful.
My two pence. Sorry that it's long.
Tech Rapter, Board game Brawl put it at #1 of all time and The Kwarenteen wanted to put it number one, but it didn't hit the table enough, It was his #3), Drive thru reviews loved the game, Forged by geeks love the game and The Regulars love the game.
Check out KDM Sammy, almost everyone that's actually played it is fond of the game as much as the production values.
I dunno, I think any game that features a knock-out mechanic of 'you rolled a 1, fuck off now and spectate' isn't a well designed game.
The Galaxy Trucker Phase when your creation tries to survive in a hostile voyage is sooooo fun. You are thrilled to see if that "thing" you just built, is going to pass through the space.
Whenever I see Zee resting his arm on the side of the table it looks huge. I'm guessing baseball pitcher or arm wrestling champion. Keep up the great work guys.
X-Wing is possibly going to be the 40k dethroner. It has woken Games Workshop up.
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That part of the hobby appeals to the existing base (not everyone loves it though) but a new king of miniatures game doesn't need to fit all the same criteria. Games Workshop knows that now and were probably shocked when X-Wing took their number 1 sales spot.
Building and painting is a whole other hobby though. As a game X-Wing is a valid replacement. And many paint X-Wing still.
I think if Xwing was more like dragon wing, than maybe. But with just space battles I don't think so (because I think they are too different). If they decide to take the atmospheric ships of xwing and add in ground forces in a similar fashion to dragon wing and it is as popular as xwing was.... Then I think you have a VERY good argument.
I would wager Armada would dethrone 40k before X-wing simply on the grounds of larger, more methodical, strategy compared to the faster-paced tactical combat of X-wing. Even if both are the same style of gameplay with their own unique flavor, I think Armada will grab 40k players' attention more.
Joe Hall it isn't about taking the spot of 40k from 40k players necessarily. The idea is taking the spot of the number 1 miniatures war game.
I want to see TI3 dethroned... with TI4. Update it now!!!
For me, Letter Tycoon is the game that dethroned Scrabble. Its core concept is exactly the same as Scrabble's (i.e., making words), but it does away with the board. The Scrabble board is, in my view, the source of all the frustration of the game:
1) lack of space necessitates the dreadful 2-letter words;
2) a person can snag the good multiplier spots just by luck of timing;
3) the unequal letter point system means that a bad draw can neuter your chance at scoring well, and it rewards placement of particular letters rather than skill at coming up with words; and
4) you can have a great word and be unable to use it because of space restrictions.
Letter Tycoon solves all of these:
1) the longer the word, the better the reward; 2-letter words are worth nothing
2) no multipliers, no timing effects
3) all letters are worth the same when played, and the reward scales properly (see item 1 above); the valuation difference is in the patent cost
4) you play your best word, plain and simple
And, to boot, the rest of the game around the word creation is successful and makes for an interesting framing device while keeping the focus on the words, as I think a word game should.
When Zee was saying Catan is the king of trading games I just thought "Chinatown"
I'm surprised Sam has never heard anything good about Kingdom Death Monster. It has a really high rating on BGG and is pretty well acclaimed by most who have had the opportunity to play it. I feel like Sam is turned off by the Horror aspects and won't give it a fair shake. Which is unfortunate. I like watching Sam's reviews because I am a fan of miniature games, and of all the people up there he should see the merits of the quality of the miniatures, even if he has never played the game. Yes they are on par with GW, both make amazing figures.
Kingdom death monster deserves all of the hype and attention it's receiving! Even after three 8-hour sessions a week for two months with friends, we still haven't beaten the base campaign. From heartbreaking stories of your characters dying horrible deaths to constructing the perfect settlement in a well-crafted nightmare world, KDM offers a mountain of content packed with high tension and strategic cooperation. Please give it a try and don't dismiss it just because people like to talk about it!
There are about 4 things you listed in that paragraph that steer me even farther away from giving it a try...just not my cuppa tea, I suppose.
Sean Young 24 hours a week for two months??? I guess that's no different then someone who plays video games a lot... but that's clearly not for everyone.
I'd just like to point out that there's lots and lots of glowing kingdom death reviews. Have you seen BGB Nick's videos ? Anyway, I'm not that interested in the game myself, it's too expensive, and it seems to scratch the same itch as Shadows of Brimstone, which is already a pricey thing.
But if I had the time and money ? I'd give it a try. Also most of the "nasty" models are just collectors items, the standard minis of the game are quite grotesque, but not really offensive.
You don't have to play for 8 hours at a time. Play sessions are broken up into "lantern years", which are typically 1-1.5 hours long.
Sam, I think you're crazy regarding the art for Alien Frontiers. The art is one of the best things about it! Retro sci-fi!
Watching in 2024, in the middle of Mike Dilisio's "trick-taking renaissance"
Kingdom Death is actually a really great game. The problem is that it's basically a Games Workshop level investment to play it. The reason you don't hear about it is because there's still fewer than 10,000 copies in world. The new kickstarter will help change that and you'll start hearing about how good (or bad) it is from people.
Racing game to dethrone Formula D? Mario Kart the board game or Pod Racer. FFG could do Pod Racer. Varying player powers...different Pod builds..a selection of play mats with different tracks, cool minis, some type of pod combat or sabotage mechanism...cool.
Toronto1967 Sounds like you need to try Steampunk Rally. A Canadian game racing game where you build your machine over the game.
They should put filter on the sound on this videos it is sometimes very high pitch.
For Zee's request on El Grande, a game like Ticket to Ride but instead of point connection, it's area control. Is this not Royals??
I've never spent a dollar on Kingdom Death Monster, but I have had a chance to play it many times. It is an exceptional game. It is easily one of the best games I have ever played.
I reckon Sam's just crap at thinking up Codename clues!
Isn't Baccarat in Sentinels a fan made character?
Zee - you're looking for TIME Stories. (referring to his #2)
I have to agree with Sam, I would love another Dune game/reprint!
Just having the Dune IP in a solid game would be great.
Well, now it is!
I believe Warhammer got dethroned by X-Wing since time ago...?
Sebastian G. bleh play armada
Dethroned as far as minis game but not a mini war game. 40k is still king but something better needs to come along. Legion is trying but it's not quite there
11:58 - I want to see that list: Top 10 Games We Keep Meaning To Play But Never Get Around To...
I'll start (my list also includes those I haven't played in a long time and would like to again):
- Republic of Rome
- Twilight Struggle
- Zertz
- Robo Rally
- Splendor
- Battlestar: Galactica
- Sticheln
- Seafarers of Catan
- Shadows Over Camelot
- Coup
What about Olympos for the Civ game? Medium-weight with a tech tree, plays in less than 2 hrs. Tumult Royale for Galaxy Trucker?