I use a surround sound setup and the roar of the PMDG engines sounds incredible coming from the speakers behind me. I do not think anyone else has captured those sounds as well, and I use many planes from both sims.
I've been flying PMDG since 2003 when I bought my first 737 NG from them. With PMDG delaying its MAX, I decided to get the v1.0 version of the IFLY 737 MAX. Here are my very early impressions (I'm currently processing a video): Pros: Visuals Sounds Manual flight Cons: LNAV random disconnect VNAV unable to stay on approach path Throttle asymmetry, spikes, and cuts randomly when A/T engaged Suggestions: Simbrief integration into EFB
Excellently put! We've been flying PMDG since the mid 2000s as well so call us biased, but they hold the crown in our eyes. However, let's see what iFly can do in the coming months! Thanks for the feedback!
Awesome video man 😎 Now, for all of the flight simmer out there, this is a matter of whether you prefer the NG or the Max and not a matter of Ifly or PMDG. I would say that we all should appreciate both options and feel glad for having them.
You did a great job man by being honest without being bias. I do respect that the I-fly Boeing 737 max is a newer product which brought to flight simmers a high quality experience for this aircraft’s type as PMDG did back then in Prepard 3D and here in MSFS.
I think the PMDG is more reliable specially when it comes to editing for flight plan and other FMC manipulations, the FMC in the ifly MAX still very limited and has many bugs when editing the flight plan on the fly.
I own both the ilfy and the pmdg. Each has it’s own strengths and weaknesses being a digital simulation that has to adhere to the MSFS ecosystem and SDK limits. I have to say though, I am pleasantly surprised by the ifly 737 max 8. It is a refreshing twist to what we currently have in the airliners category. From working interior nuances to the engine and pitot covers, custom sounds and a myriad of other quirks included for a very decent pricepoint. It performs excellent, the best performing airliner in my hangar atm. Sure it is still in it’s formative days but the progress and upcoming fixes that will turn the ifly into a matured product just proves how good it will be in the future. Overall, I enjoy both, but I am inclined to say I find it hard to not want to reach out and fly the ifly 737 max every time because it is just truly a joy to fly. What a time to be in the flight simulation era! We have a great variety of quality products to choose from! 😊
I did my first flight with the iFly last night and I really enjoyed the aircraft. I will say though, its a little weird that you barely need to accelerate at all on the ground to get the plane moving. I moved my throttle maybe a millimeter and the aircraft started rolling, which I don't feel is very realistic. Also, the sensitivity of the nose wheel/rudder is incredibly arcade-feeling. I think the PMDG 737 clears the iFly when it comes to ground handling.
1000000 percent agree with you! It really is an enjoyable aircraft to fly! How ever, like you said, those little details on the ground do make it feel arcade like and we think if they tweek those little things, it can be even better! Time will tell as this is an early release for their 737max, so maybe in the near future they will nail it.
As soon as you release the brakes on the MAX, the aircraft starts rolling, you have to keep pressing the brakes as the aircraft will exceed 30kts quite easily. The taxi method is to slow down from 30kts to 10kts and release the brake pressure again and repeat. This is the best way to keep the brakes cool during taxi. The reason behind this is because LEAP 1B engines have a higher idle thrust than the CFM56 engines.
Personally the pmdg does everything I asked it to do. Do the sounds need work ? Yes! The ifly has weird bugs needs a bit more polishing to be more user friendly & also needs more support for rnav approaches
Does those big engines wobble and shake in turbulence / bumpy runway? After seeing FBW A380 adding in those super dynamic wing/flap/engine animations, it really makes a huge difference experiencing the weight of those jets.
So we believe that both iFly and PMDG made realistic simulations of wing flex on a 737, meaning its doing what its supposed to be doing. As cool as wing flex and engine wobbles do look, I am sure they want to keep it authentic to that airframe. A good example of this is the PMDG 777. If you sit in the wing view, you can see those 777 engines wobble as they do in real world scenarios. So I guess what we are trying to say is, if they thought it should have been simulated, they could have, because they have shown it in other aircraft that they have developed. Hope that makes some sense lol.
@thatflightsimchannel I think it's alot of work for the developers to add in those details. Some even suggested for GSX to add in animations for the passengers and the seats to vibrate in the cabin to really show the effects of acceleration, rapid deacceleration, turbulence, and bumps. Not sure if that's possible to simulate those effects with high frame rates. For anyone flying inside the cockpit, those details don't matter
I think your preference will matter depending on what you prioritize. The PMDG is very stable, consistent, complete and extremely fun to fly. Is it perfect? No. But no addon is. The iFly shows great promise. It looks better, has better sounds and immersion overall. If they can get all the bugs sorted out and reach a the same level of systems and stability as the PMDG, they'll have the better product. But for me, at this point, it's the PMDG because I know it will behave the same way every time and do what's asked of it.
to me I think the sounds are both great, I feel the Ifly sounds are better but not sure if that is because of the different engines it just sounds more powerful and meatier to me. I flown on both many a time and the buzzsaw sound on the PMDG just seems to miss that undertone that makes it to treble, where you would normally feel the engines through the chasis giving it a slightly deep undertone on the engine sound. Obviously this is just my opinion based on my experiences but that doesn't take away the quality of the sounds that are on the PMDG still good. but the PMDG is a little more mature and it really shows its more stable better optimised and I agree has that weight.
We completely agree with you. Again it is so hard to decide which one is best, We think that both did an amazing job bringing the sounds to life. Now when it comes to flying the aircraft, you nailed it by saying PMDG is a little more mature. That's a great way to look at it, and we are definitely not saying iFly can not get there, heck, this after all is an early release of their 737max, so they really could polish up their product and make it really shine in the coming future.
I think the PMDG sounds leave a lot to be desired. The quality of the recording isn't the problem with them. It's the absence of frequencies that you hear and feel. Almost like it's being played from small speakers, even though you may have a full audio system.
Thank you for this video comparison, it is very well done and informative. Here's my unsolicited opinion for anyone in the same boat as me: I bought into the hype of the iFly, and personally am disappointed. With that being said, I know it is early access and still have high hopes for the aircraft. PMDG has obviously been around longer and has a more polished product, this will be the aircraft I choose to fly until iFly has more time to be developed. There is just too many issues and bugs with the iFly that I've experienced. When I get the time to sit down and do some simulated flying, I want everything to work without fuss. This is what PMDG excel at. While the iFly is subjectively prettier to look at, system wise PMDG wins for me. Just my two cents for anyone who is maybe looking into buying one or the other, I vote PMDG for now. Cheers!
Thanks for sharing your feedback! We feel the same way and while we haven't necessarily experienced too many bugs (so far) on the iFly, we find ourselves going back to the PMDG every time. I think you said it best, when it's time to simulate airline ops and get as real as you can get, PMDG is the way to go.
I have both of them. And i really like the sounds more in ifly 737 max. But still i would choose PMDG for a lot of reasons. one of them is the 3D scan technology for exterior and interior. In addition to that, PMDG have implemented more accurate system simulation which is only the real plane suppresses it. As for the engine sounds on the PMDG. they sound OK, but not clearly as the real plane. There is sound mod for it from FT-Sim. They sound exactly like the real 737 cfms. Check them out. i doubt that you would go back to the default sounds.
I prefer the NG design in general.....but iFly brings more to the sim experience, regardless of accuracy or not. Gotta remember though, even PMDG felt really bad at the start and it took a few iterations (based on comments posed in other videos). Maybe do a full release comparison now? My THEORY on the sounds is two-fold: Those coming from XPlane flying the Zibo mod which has a VERY deep soundset; and because in simulation we don't feel or smell, often an overexaggerated soundset is desirable to help increase immersion slightly even if it isn't as realistic. Take the Max for example - at least for me, with a "quiet" environmnet realistic or not, makes it feel more 'boring' in comparison.
I completely agree with your take and thank you for that idea. Once the iFly matures and stabilizes itself in the flightsim community, we might revisit this video and attempt to redo it.
The iFly is the winner for me but I still prefer the zibo 737 over both of them, I think that's still the best overall 737 experience available on a desktop im
@ ive only ever tried Xplane demos and not the full product so I can’t say I agree. However, both Flako and I have been on the Flight Simulator franchise since the late 90s so we’re biased. Maybe one day we’ll give Xplane a fair shot and see what we think.
Finally I find someone who agrees That they can't understand the hate for PMDG's sounds ( which incidentally were recorded from the real plane by a talented audio engineer using studio quality equipment ). I've been a passenger on numerous real flights in the NG and the engine start up, spooling , flap sounds, wing flex etc etc seem spot on to me. It seems there is a vocal minority of PMDG bashers who love to rubbish PMDG and their products. What I say to them is PMDG didn't hold a gun to your head to make you buy their product. You bought it because you wanted it. It was released as early access and just a few days ago we got another major update. Over 100 builds since release. It is solid and what's more , all of my hard ware such as the Go Flight MCP Pro, EFIS and FDS CDU and FSC Motorised TQ talk to it. It all works. However, none of it works with the IFly Max and since it seems they have locked out all the events ( as they did with their P3D V5 release ) it is unlikely it will ever work. PMDG have always worked closely with home cockpit builders and it shows. Whether IFly change their minds about locking out cockpit builders , remain to be seen. I would rather have my hardware work, than be able to flush the toilet. So I will wait patiently for the PMDG Max, until then I'll stick to the NG.
That is an interesting point of view that we havent discussed much on these videos, how accessible are these aircraft with cockpit hardware. You bring a great point, it speaks volume about a developer who not only creates a great asthetically looking product, but one that will give you further immersion when it works with hardware. So I'd be very interested in seeing if iFly does open this up for cockpit builders, because that can be a huge factor when people decide to purchase or not.
I personally would like to think this isn't really a fair comparison since The NG series has more favorable reputation than the MAX. Unless we compare asobos 737 max to ifly 737 max.
I will be flying the max sometimes, but the pmdg feels more realistic while flying and is stable overall in my opinion . My problems with the max: -Autopilot is unstable with VNAV and LNAV and sometimes does weird things. -If i give the engines 1 procent when I start taxing, I won't have to do anything anymore to get to the runway. Except breaking. It's weird that you can gain speed without giving power to the engines -it feels like a cessna to me when taxing, like it's way to light even if I have a full aircraft -the sounds are great until you look from the front in 3th person. Then it's sounds like an hair dryer in my opinion. Either taxiing or flying, it sounds weird and to silent while the other sounds are loud. -Textures on the outside are not as great in my opinion. Some area's look bland and to clean, even cleaner and smoother then real new aircraft. -the beacon lights are to bright Now this is just my opinion. But personally I only am going to use the max for airlines who doesn't fly the NG or some special liverys. If I can fly the NG I'll choose it over The max any day.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! The taxiing feeling you just mentioned is perhaps why I addressed the MAX as feeling arcadeish. It doesn’t feel right. Also, I share your sentiment with the NG. There is a bias from me because I’ve enjoyed PMDG products for years and therefore, I’ll continue to choose the NG series from PMDG until I get bored of them.
The MAX's engines are powerful enough (the LEAPs on the -8 is rated at 28k pounds of thrust vs the 26K for the CFM56 on the -800s) at idle power to the point where you can taxi on idle power. The IAE v2500s on the A320 family share a similar attribute. As for taxi handling, both the PMDG and iFly have a ways to go (Fenix is the only one who has really done it right) However, I will attest that the iFly is even more unwieldy. I believe they are working on it. For the time being, set up a small curve on your rudder/nosewheel axis.
Sorry but the PMDG 737 *engine* sounds are incredibly lack luster and leave a lot to be desired. 1) The packs sound like artificially created white noise. 2) The engine sounds are just all off in every aspect (buzzsaw, cockpit, how it sounds depending on where you sit, vibrations, pitch, tone, etc) 3) The 737NG series has a distinct spooling sound. It's hard to explain but sounds like a whooshing sound. The zibo (a free airplane) replicates it but the PMDG does not. It's actually pretty loud when sitting over the wing. 4) The buzzsaw definitely sounds artificially created. 5) As you increase airspeed, the sound of the engine should become more muffled. There's also an incredibly prominent sound of the engine vibrating and changing pitch constantly. It's never just one straight sound like in the PMDG. Theres also smaller details missing like the sound of the runway grooves and nosewheel, however the max has it. If you want to compare, listen to the startup, taxi out, and take off. It's night and day: ua-cam.com/video/JBn-db4h-HI/v-deo.html&ab_channel=SkyliteProductions Solution: Get Boris to make a sound pack. I promise if he made a sound pack, you would change your mind. There's a reason why a lot of people are complaining about the sounds and not the max's.
Gordo thanks for your input! You do bring some interesting points that we havent factored in like pack sounds. How ever, we are in agreement, we do like the small details of the runway grooves nad nosewheel that the max does bring. If you watch our sound comparison video, you will see that we mention those little details that the MAX has over the PMDG. You bring a great point, Boris does make extremely good sounds, so if they do come up with a sound pack, it would be a perfect combination.
I'm enjoying flying it so far. My biggest issue stands with ground handling. I still haven't adjusted my pedal sensitivity with the iFly but I'll have to try that.
Drzewiecki = Jevi-yetz-key Taxiing sucks with the ifly. too damn sensitive and i hate the click logic in the cockpit. otherwise, for early access it’s great. The PMDG my only issue there are the few existing bugs that still need to be fixed, ground handling options in the fms instead of the tablet is annoying, and no cockpit door animation. it is showing it’s age as an FSX ported model but still great. But compared to the ifly, the ifly just feels new.
Wow I butchered that name terribly but thank you for clarifying. But we agree with your statement. PMDG needs to step up their game with the finer details that we're experiencing in the sim community nowadays.
Engine yes. There are certain nuances missing especially the unique sound it makes when they spoil up and down during taxi. They have some resemblance of it but leaves some to be desired. The buzzsaw also needs work. As for the cabin I don't care much for it but they should especially since the 777 has one and they're charing over 70 bucks per model
Stop riding the fence man. PMDG is a port over from FSX . PMDG has been in the game for many years and look what they put out. Get off the fence. I did like your video.
Correct us if we're wrong, but isn't the Zibo strictly an Xplane add-on? I'm sure there's mods out there to allow people to port it over to MSFS but we've never explored that option.
you cannot compare the NG with the MAX. this is a flawed comparison And the constant comparisons are the playground of fools and fanboys where subjective takes are the norm
@@pieterduplessis6906 we disagree. Your opinion is entirely your own and that is fine. Don’t forget that this is a simulator franchise where we can compare a Cessna 172 to an Antonov-124 if we so desire 😉
I use a surround sound setup and the roar of the PMDG engines sounds incredible coming from the speakers behind me. I do not think anyone else has captured those sounds as well, and I use many planes from both sims.
Nice job on the vid! The only winner here is us. I will definitely fly both.
Bingo! We're on the same mindset.
Dang I’m jealous of the time you have to play.
Totally agree. Indeed, they are two different planes
I've been flying PMDG since 2003 when I bought my first 737 NG from them. With PMDG delaying its MAX, I decided to get the v1.0 version of the IFLY 737 MAX. Here are my very early impressions (I'm currently processing a video):
Pros:
Visuals
Sounds
Manual flight
Cons:
LNAV random disconnect
VNAV unable to stay on approach path
Throttle asymmetry, spikes, and cuts randomly when A/T engaged
Suggestions:
Simbrief integration into EFB
Excellently put! We've been flying PMDG since the mid 2000s as well so call us biased, but they hold the crown in our eyes. However, let's see what iFly can do in the coming months!
Thanks for the feedback!
Awesome video man 😎 Now, for all of the flight simmer out there, this is a matter of whether you prefer the NG or the Max and not a matter of Ifly or PMDG. I would say that we all should appreciate both options and feel glad for having them.
@@wilmerdavid6549 we’re with you on this! We’re extremely lucky to have access to such aircraft.
You did a great job man by being honest without being bias. I do respect that the I-fly Boeing 737 max is a newer product which brought to flight simmers a high quality experience for this aircraft’s type as PMDG did back then in Prepard 3D and here in MSFS.
I think the PMDG is more reliable specially when it comes to editing for flight plan and other FMC manipulations, the FMC in the ifly MAX still very limited and has many bugs when editing the flight plan on the fly.
Agreed!
iFly is still pre-realase btw
@@Luxi001 correct! We mentioned it during the video several times
I own both the ilfy and the pmdg. Each has it’s own strengths and weaknesses being a digital simulation that has to adhere to the MSFS ecosystem and SDK limits. I have to say though, I am pleasantly surprised by the ifly 737 max 8. It is a refreshing twist to what we currently have in the airliners category. From working interior nuances to the engine and pitot covers, custom sounds and a myriad of other quirks included for a very decent pricepoint.
It performs excellent, the best performing airliner in my hangar atm. Sure it is still in it’s formative days but the progress and upcoming fixes that will turn the ifly into a matured product just proves how good it will be in the future. Overall, I enjoy both, but I am inclined to say I find it hard to not want to reach out and fly the ifly 737 max every time because it is just truly a joy to fly. What a time to be in the flight simulation era! We have a great variety of quality products to choose from! 😊
I did my first flight with the iFly last night and I really enjoyed the aircraft. I will say though, its a little weird that you barely need to accelerate at all on the ground to get the plane moving. I moved my throttle maybe a millimeter and the aircraft started rolling, which I don't feel is very realistic.
Also, the sensitivity of the nose wheel/rudder is incredibly arcade-feeling. I think the PMDG 737 clears the iFly when it comes to ground handling.
1000000 percent agree with you! It really is an enjoyable aircraft to fly! How ever, like you said, those little details on the ground do make it feel arcade like and we think if they tweek those little things, it can be even better! Time will tell as this is an early release for their 737max, so maybe in the near future they will nail it.
The LEAP1B engines have the power to roll/accelerate the aircraft at Idle IRL.
This is realistic behaviour.
@@738_M8 I'll take your word for that, I didn't know that
As soon as you release the brakes on the MAX, the aircraft starts rolling, you have to keep pressing the brakes as the aircraft will exceed 30kts quite easily. The taxi method is to slow down from 30kts to 10kts and release the brake pressure again and repeat. This is the best way to keep the brakes cool during taxi. The reason behind this is because LEAP 1B engines have a higher idle thrust than the CFM56 engines.
PMDG the engine sounds are like they're real world counterparts for the Boeing 737 Max Series ✈️
Personally the pmdg does everything I asked it to do. Do the sounds need work ? Yes! The ifly has weird bugs needs a bit more polishing to be more user friendly & also needs more support for rnav approaches
looking forward for iFly final release
Does those big engines wobble and shake in turbulence / bumpy runway? After seeing FBW A380 adding in those super dynamic wing/flap/engine animations, it really makes a huge difference experiencing the weight of those jets.
So we believe that both iFly and PMDG made realistic simulations of wing flex on a 737, meaning its doing what its supposed to be doing. As cool as wing flex and engine wobbles do look, I am sure they want to keep it authentic to that airframe. A good example of this is the PMDG 777. If you sit in the wing view, you can see those 777 engines wobble as they do in real world scenarios. So I guess what we are trying to say is, if they thought it should have been simulated, they could have, because they have shown it in other aircraft that they have developed. Hope that makes some sense lol.
@thatflightsimchannel I think it's alot of work for the developers to add in those details. Some even suggested for GSX to add in animations for the passengers and the seats to vibrate in the cabin to really show the effects of acceleration, rapid deacceleration, turbulence, and bumps. Not sure if that's possible to simulate those effects with high frame rates. For anyone flying inside the cockpit, those details don't matter
I think your preference will matter depending on what you prioritize. The PMDG is very stable, consistent, complete and extremely fun to fly. Is it perfect? No. But no addon is. The iFly shows great promise. It looks better, has better sounds and immersion overall. If they can get all the bugs sorted out and reach a the same level of systems and stability as the PMDG, they'll have the better product. But for me, at this point, it's the PMDG because I know it will behave the same way every time and do what's asked of it.
@@jay790962666 perfectly stated and I believe we wholeheartedly agree!
I love flying both!
to me I think the sounds are both great, I feel the Ifly sounds are better but not sure if that is because of the different engines it just sounds more powerful and meatier to me. I flown on both many a time and the buzzsaw sound on the PMDG just seems to miss that undertone that makes it to treble, where you would normally feel the engines through the chasis giving it a slightly deep undertone on the engine sound. Obviously this is just my opinion based on my experiences but that doesn't take away the quality of the sounds that are on the PMDG still good. but the PMDG is a little more mature and it really shows its more stable better optimised and I agree has that weight.
We completely agree with you. Again it is so hard to decide which one is best, We think that both did an amazing job bringing the sounds to life. Now when it comes to flying the aircraft, you nailed it by saying PMDG is a little more mature. That's a great way to look at it, and we are definitely not saying iFly can not get there, heck, this after all is an early release of their 737max, so they really could polish up their product and make it really shine in the coming future.
I think the PMDG sounds leave a lot to be desired. The quality of the recording isn't the problem with them. It's the absence of frequencies that you hear and feel. Almost like it's being played from small speakers, even though you may have a full audio system.
Thank you for this video comparison, it is very well done and informative. Here's my unsolicited opinion for anyone in the same boat as me: I bought into the hype of the iFly, and personally am disappointed. With that being said, I know it is early access and still have high hopes for the aircraft. PMDG has obviously been around longer and has a more polished product, this will be the aircraft I choose to fly until iFly has more time to be developed. There is just too many issues and bugs with the iFly that I've experienced. When I get the time to sit down and do some simulated flying, I want everything to work without fuss. This is what PMDG excel at. While the iFly is subjectively prettier to look at, system wise PMDG wins for me. Just my two cents for anyone who is maybe looking into buying one or the other, I vote PMDG for now. Cheers!
Thanks for sharing your feedback! We feel the same way and while we haven't necessarily experienced too many bugs (so far) on the iFly, we find ourselves going back to the PMDG every time. I think you said it best, when it's time to simulate airline ops and get as real as you can get, PMDG is the way to go.
Very good video ! I just really wish pmdg would give the cabin and engine spinner some love
4:03 looks very clean. Like it is befitting for Renton, but when I get to JFK I expect to see a used airplane.
I have both of them. And i really like the sounds more in ifly 737 max. But still i would choose PMDG for a lot of reasons. one of them is the 3D scan technology for exterior and interior. In addition to that, PMDG have implemented more accurate system simulation which is only the real plane suppresses it. As for the engine sounds on the PMDG. they sound OK, but not clearly as the real plane. There is sound mod for it from FT-Sim. They sound exactly like the real 737 cfms. Check them out. i doubt that you would go back to the default sounds.
You're the second or third person to recommend the FT-Sim sounds and we will be checking them out asap. Thank you for your feedback!
PMDG are the company to beat regarding the 737. IFLY did a good job none the less.
Agreed! Couldn't of said it any better!
I prefer the NG design in general.....but iFly brings more to the sim experience, regardless of accuracy or not. Gotta remember though, even PMDG felt really bad at the start and it took a few iterations (based on comments posed in other videos). Maybe do a full release comparison now? My THEORY on the sounds is two-fold: Those coming from XPlane flying the Zibo mod which has a VERY deep soundset; and because in simulation we don't feel or smell, often an overexaggerated soundset is desirable to help increase immersion slightly even if it isn't as realistic. Take the Max for example - at least for me, with a "quiet" environmnet realistic or not, makes it feel more 'boring' in comparison.
I completely agree with your take and thank you for that idea. Once the iFly matures and stabilizes itself in the flightsim community, we might revisit this video and attempt to redo it.
The iFly is the winner for me but I still prefer the zibo 737 over both of them, I think that's still the best overall 737 experience available on a desktop im
@@xWayvz_ we’ve never tried Xplane before past a demo but I will admit, the Zibo always captured my attention.
I used to enjoy zibo but it became a buggy mess
doesn't matter how nice the zibo is, it's in a shitty sim
@ ive only ever tried Xplane demos and not the full product so I can’t say I agree. However, both Flako and I have been on the Flight Simulator franchise since the late 90s so we’re biased. Maybe one day we’ll give Xplane a fair shot and see what we think.
Nicely done. Happy contrails captain.
Ifly 737 cabin is very good pmdg need to remaster their plane for new cabin for me
We share the same feelings!
Finally I find someone who agrees That they can't understand the hate for PMDG's sounds ( which incidentally were recorded from the real plane by a talented audio engineer using studio quality equipment ). I've been a passenger on numerous real flights in the NG and the engine start up, spooling , flap sounds, wing flex etc etc seem spot on to me. It seems there is a vocal minority of PMDG bashers who love to rubbish PMDG and their products. What I say to them is PMDG didn't hold a gun to your head to make you buy their product. You bought it because you wanted it. It was released as early access and just a few days ago we got another major update. Over 100 builds since release. It is solid and what's more , all of my hard ware such as the Go Flight MCP Pro, EFIS and FDS CDU and FSC Motorised TQ talk to it. It all works. However, none of it works with the IFly Max and since it seems they have locked out all the events ( as they did with their P3D V5 release ) it is unlikely it will ever work. PMDG have always worked closely with home cockpit builders and it shows. Whether IFly change their minds about locking out cockpit builders , remain to be seen. I would rather have my hardware work, than be able to flush the toilet. So I will wait patiently for the PMDG Max, until then I'll stick to the NG.
That is an interesting point of view that we havent discussed much on these videos, how accessible are these aircraft with cockpit hardware. You bring a great point, it speaks volume about a developer who not only creates a great asthetically looking product, but one that will give you further immersion when it works with hardware. So I'd be very interested in seeing if iFly does open this up for cockpit builders, because that can be a huge factor when people decide to purchase or not.
I think the 777 sounds are really bad, but the 37 is good.
When do you think they will release the MAX 737
Are you asking about the iFly or if PMDH will release a 737 MAX?
@@thatflightsimchannel ifly I did not know PMGD was also making one thank you
@@Photoshopmanipulator It's already technically released. Even though it is an early-access, it's got plenty of features to run full flights.
The PMDG with the buttery soft landing 🛬 🧈
Hi, Is ifly 737 NG more stable than ifly 737 MAX?
@@Gereamia unfortunately we never tried the NG series from iFly in years prior to MSFS2020.
I personally would like to think this isn't really a fair comparison since The NG series has more favorable reputation than the MAX. Unless we compare asobos 737 max to ifly 737 max.
That’s a fair point and honestly, gives us a great idea for the upcoming release of FS2024 👍🏼
I don't think its meant as a comparison in the the different models of engines but more the quality of the addons and fidelity.
I will be flying the max sometimes, but the pmdg feels more realistic while flying and is stable overall in my opinion .
My problems with the max:
-Autopilot is unstable with VNAV and LNAV and sometimes does weird things.
-If i give the engines 1 procent when I start taxing, I won't have to do anything anymore to get to the runway. Except breaking. It's weird that you can gain speed without giving power to the engines
-it feels like a cessna to me when taxing, like it's way to light even if I have a full aircraft
-the sounds are great until you look from the front in 3th person. Then it's sounds like an hair dryer in my opinion. Either taxiing or flying, it sounds weird and to silent while the other sounds are loud.
-Textures on the outside are not as great in my opinion. Some area's look bland and to clean, even cleaner and smoother then real new aircraft.
-the beacon lights are to bright
Now this is just my opinion. But personally I only am going to use the max for airlines who doesn't fly the NG or some special liverys.
If I can fly the NG I'll choose it over The max any day.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! The taxiing feeling you just mentioned is perhaps why I addressed the MAX as feeling arcadeish. It doesn’t feel right.
Also, I share your sentiment with the NG. There is a bias from me because I’ve enjoyed PMDG products for years and therefore, I’ll continue to choose the NG series from PMDG until I get bored of them.
The MAX's engines are powerful enough (the LEAPs on the -8 is rated at 28k pounds of thrust vs the 26K for the CFM56 on the -800s) at idle power to the point where you can taxi on idle power. The IAE v2500s on the A320 family share a similar attribute.
As for taxi handling, both the PMDG and iFly have a ways to go (Fenix is the only one who has really done it right) However, I will attest that the iFly is even more unwieldy. I believe they are working on it. For the time being, set up a small curve on your rudder/nosewheel axis.
@@Parker-hy6ux thanks for the info!
Sorry but the PMDG 737 *engine* sounds are incredibly lack luster and leave a lot to be desired.
1) The packs sound like artificially created white noise.
2) The engine sounds are just all off in every aspect (buzzsaw, cockpit, how it sounds depending on where you sit, vibrations, pitch, tone, etc)
3) The 737NG series has a distinct spooling sound. It's hard to explain but sounds like a whooshing sound. The zibo (a free airplane) replicates it but the PMDG does not. It's actually pretty loud when sitting over the wing.
4) The buzzsaw definitely sounds artificially created.
5) As you increase airspeed, the sound of the engine should become more muffled. There's also an incredibly prominent sound of the engine vibrating and changing pitch constantly. It's never just one straight sound like in the PMDG.
Theres also smaller details missing like the sound of the runway grooves and nosewheel, however the max has it.
If you want to compare, listen to the startup, taxi out, and take off. It's night and day: ua-cam.com/video/JBn-db4h-HI/v-deo.html&ab_channel=SkyliteProductions
Solution: Get Boris to make a sound pack. I promise if he made a sound pack, you would change your mind.
There's a reason why a lot of people are complaining about the sounds and not the max's.
Gordo thanks for your input! You do bring some interesting points that we havent factored in like pack sounds. How ever, we are in agreement, we do like the small details of the runway grooves nad nosewheel that the max does bring. If you watch our sound comparison video, you will see that we mention those little details that the MAX has over the PMDG.
You bring a great point, Boris does make extremely good sounds, so if they do come up with a sound pack, it would be a perfect combination.
VSD = Vertical Situation Display 😊
I heard the ifly had a really good realistic feeling like if u were flying the real 737 max.
I'm enjoying flying it so far. My biggest issue stands with ground handling. I still haven't adjusted my pedal sensitivity with the iFly but I'll have to try that.
They’re different planes?
are you asking or making a statement?
Check out FTSim Sounds for the PMDG 737 - imo the best ones.
I’ll give it a try 👍🏼
@Kuddel_92 nah the ftsim is missing a few sounds at different rpms.... the whole sound pack needs a do over
EFB Ifly Design Game Boy
Atm PMDG is stuffed with their navdata update
Too many people have too critical an ear. I like the sounds.
@@stevesumner9988 agreed!
Wrong. Sounds are one of the biggest parts of simulation/immersion.
@@Cloudybox12he is not wrong, this is only your opinion, other opinions are allowed
Drzewiecki = Jevi-yetz-key
Taxiing sucks with the ifly. too damn sensitive and i hate the click logic in the cockpit. otherwise, for early access it’s great.
The PMDG my only issue there are the few existing bugs that still need to be fixed, ground handling options in the fms instead of the tablet is annoying, and no cockpit door animation. it is showing it’s age as an FSX ported model but still great. But compared to the ifly, the ifly just feels new.
Wow I butchered that name terribly but thank you for clarifying. But we agree with your statement. PMDG needs to step up their game with the finer details that we're experiencing in the sim community nowadays.
Things I wish PMDG 737 would change:
1. cabin
2. engine sound
Engine yes. There are certain nuances missing especially the unique sound it makes when they spoil up and down during taxi. They have some resemblance of it but leaves some to be desired. The buzzsaw also needs work. As for the cabin I don't care much for it but they should especially since the 777 has one and they're charing over 70 bucks per model
I'd add improved textures on the overall model aswell as animated cockpit door and windows to the list
Boris Audioworks is making an incredible sound pack for the 737NG
Boris Audioworks is making an incredible sound pack for the 737NG
Both are top tier shit.
@@burgadahz17 found the troll 😂
@@thatflightsimchannel why.
@@burgadahz17 just curious, but what about these products makes them "top tier shit"?
Stop riding the fence man. PMDG is a port over from FSX . PMDG has been in the game for many years and look what they put out. Get off the fence. I did like your video.
@@talking2388 the fence? Not sure we’re following…..but thanks for the feedback regardless
none, Zibo is the GOAT
Correct us if we're wrong, but isn't the Zibo strictly an Xplane add-on? I'm sure there's mods out there to allow people to port it over to MSFS but we've never explored that option.
@@thatflightsimchannel Yeah it is sadly Xplane exclusive and I wish something similar was also available for MSFS for free.
you cannot compare the NG with the MAX. this is a flawed comparison
And the constant comparisons are the playground of fools and fanboys where subjective takes are the norm
@@pieterduplessis6906 we disagree. Your opinion is entirely your own and that is fine. Don’t forget that this is a simulator franchise where we can compare a Cessna 172 to an Antonov-124 if we so desire 😉