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- Over the last decade, cities in developing countries around the world have been adopting bus systems like Bogotá's Transmilenio because they are cheaper and ease traffic and pollution.
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When i went to Bogota 3 months ago I loved it, the only problem with transmilenio is that at monets it gets really packed, other than that bogota is an amazing city loved it and i wanna go back :)
The system works well, but it can get extremely crowded. Ive missed stops because I could not push my way through fast enough.
What about now?
It's not working now
Transmilenio was a good idea about 15 years ago... Nowadays we're needing a better option here in Bogotá
how is it like now ? i'm asking because my city is currently installing a BRT line and i'm curious about people's real experience around the world
@@ahmedagdi7164 brt its a system to medium population cities, bogota has 10 millon in population, a brt in a big citie es trash.
Actually, bogota is construying the firts line of metro
@@lufthansa002 I see, i hope the metro improves the situation..
My city has less than 1 million in population, so I hope it will work out
@@ahmedagdi7164 for curiosity, what is ur city?
Transmilenio is good for a city of about 3 or 4 million, not over 8 million like Bogota. It has gotten to the point to where every time I go to Bogota, I dread taking it. I basically have to stretch before riding because I know that I might get stuck in an uncomfortable body position. Bogota needs something that can carry at least twice or more people at any given time to a particular destination than what Transmilenio does. My ex-girlfriend doesn't even bother with it anymore. She just drives or takes a taxi.
"Bogota needs something that can carry at least twice or more people at any given time to a particular destination than what Transmilenio does."
Double-decker buses?
So a metro system is what they really need
@@redlightmaxthere are already bendy buses, which carry more people than a double decker, and there aren't double decker bendy buses
Having bending buses doesn't mean having a system of buses like transmilenio. London buses sometimes drop you off in the middle of the road, there are many traffic jams in places such us oxford street, regent street. Taxis, motorbikes, bycicles, rickshaws, all of them uses buses lanes. Conversely transmilenio lanes are only used by transmilenio buses. It's a new system, it wasn't just putting some red buses on the road!!!
bravo mi querida BOGOTA !!!
I've traveled to 15 of the most advanced countries in the world and I've never seen anything like the Colombian transmilenio bus system. It's definitely the best public transportation system. It makes me wonder what in the world were they thinking when others build massive subway systems.
exelent
Yo vivo en Colombia.. y puedo decir que lo tenemos todo! tenemos buena comida, buena gente, buena cultura... pero lo único que tenemos mal es el gobierno y el trafico! :/
su valor es de 1,5 veces al del bus, y le quieren aumentar. Sin contar que accionista del proyecto es un exalcalde. Los buses emiten enormes cantidades de contaminacion, si quieren comprobar, deberian ver el arranque o un bus en transito para notar cuanta suciedad. lo bueno es la rapides, pero el sistema esta saturado y aun asi le van a incrementar. por favor si pueden traducirlo les agradezco.
En el 2009 y antes de ese año eran muy pocas las ventas ambulantes, pregoneros, indigentes y limosneros.
Menos venezolanos.
La troncal de la 10 y la 26 no estaban, tampoco el sitp.
(....continued) These improvements are due to fundamental changes implemented in TM: the stations are located on the median, the exclusive lanes are the leftmost ones, the buses thus have the doors on the left side, the stations are at exactly the same height as the bus floor facilitating the movement of passengers, especially those on wheelchairs, among many others. Although Curitiba was first, it is more than evident that Bogotá didn't just copy their system.
Juepuerca como envegecio de mal este video. Es increible
is close to start the construction of the Bogotá's subway, I think that is
the best option now as there is no space for cars on the streets.
a, that video omitted as these stations are filled, usually
These buses pass llenisimos, people mostly walk, people
closing pressure that people are falling,
I think that Bogota is just over populated ... like many other cities around the world ... Sprawl is bad .. People should demand government to spread or leave it to Pure Mad Capitalism to control Market . Many people would love to live in NY or Tokyo but don't because it is expensive.... Florida is one example . Miami ( or all of South East Fl ) is very popular but is expensive to live . so you have alternative to live in Orlando , Tampa , Jax , naples , Gainesville , Ocala and even with those cities sprawl happens which South FL , Orlando and Tampa is becoming like a Sprawl ... so the problem is the system , you either design a city for cars or Mass Mass public efficient Transit....
its value is 1.5 times that of the bus, and you want to increase. Not counting
which is a shareholder in the project exalcalde. Buses emit huge
amounts of pollution, if you want to check, you should see the
boot or in a transit bus to see how much dirt. how good is the
quickly, but the system is saturated and even then they will increase.
Please thank them if they can translate it.
In my opinion, the system is pretty bad for Bogota, those buses are contaminating all the time! The buses are alway full of people, it is impossible to get on a bus, for that you have to wait from 3 or 6 buses. Each bus can carry 160 passengers which is very few people for the amount of passengers that bogota needs to move.
Transmilenio is the ONLY way to move around Bogota, that´s why it moves a lot of people, because in Bogotá you don't have ANY OTHER OPTION because no one has built a metro or a tram.
I'm an urban planner and live in Bogotá and have lived in Jakarta as well, taking Transjakarta a couple of times. I think the biggest issues in Bogotá is that the system was dropped from investment since 2005 so only 30% of it got built, that puts a lot of stress in the existing infrastructure. In Jakarta the system doesn't always have a private lane, it sometimes has to share space with private cars and that defeats the whole benefit of taking public transport. In both cases I believe this has to do with politics.
Rollo Lawson not true at all
@@CarlosReyesP do you work as an urban planner? Thinking about studying urban planning.
Dear All, I saw this type of Bus Route in Ahmedabad (Gujarat State) India, which is
known as BRTS and the same is very excellent. The CM of Gujarat Mr. Narendra modi is the main person behind this noble project, at present the same is covering a distance of about 45 kms, and trying to extent to 70 kms by the year end 2014. In India also these development is taking place.
Bogotá's transmilenio covers a route of 113km just with the red buses, and a large distance of 663 km with the green buses, just counting them.
At first this was a great solution for Bogotá; good intentions at first. Now it's not that pleasant to use this "buses".
me encanta colombia sobre todo bogota
y las mujeres son hermosas me gustan como ablan los colombianos tienes un asento hermoso me gusta el tran milenio es ordenado y limpio les deceo lo
mejor amigos colombianos que dios los bendiga
espero conocer bogota pronto saludos desde SANTIAGO DE CHILE
When you go in the subway you are like a rat in a cave, when you see the sun, the sky, and the city then you feel like a human been, at least for me it really makes a difference. If you can build the entire system for the whole city at the price of a single subway line then its really good idea. Of course everything can be better, then as Bogota improved a lot the system from the original Curitiba's idea, I hope to see in the future many cities improving Bogota's idea.
It’s super crowded.It doesn’t even have be a subway.It can just be above ground LRT with 4-car light rail trains.Much more space
It just isn't the same as a metro line. The vast number of buses means lots of drivers, that's good when you have unemployment, but as wages rise and countries become more developed, that becomes a money pit. It's also extremely overcrowded because even the biggest double articulated bus can carry about 220 passengers, whereas a train can carry a lot more. Lots of buses is also a huge amount of internal combustion engines maintain, an electric train has neither batteries nor many moving parts. Buses can get very expensive to operate when you're running hundreds or even a few thousand of them and can't carry so many people. The rolling resistance of rubber tyres also makes buses less energy efficient
Colombia is the country that created the system! Please give credit to the country.
Actually it was the UK. Runcorn was the first city to have the system.
@@gsw8734 Yes, I researched and you are right. Bogota is a city of iver 10 million people. the service is a blessing. thanks
@Miguel Alcala Gomez It literally was, it was built in the 50s.
The Transmilenio works because Bogota is blessed with many wide avenues. The same could not be replicated easily in European medieval street-plans. But the public transport within Bogota's historic centre is poor; the local buses are badly signposted and talk about rammed, very tourist-unfriendly. While the Transmilenio works well and is a good start, there are still many parts of Bogota hard to reach without a car or taxi.
great city..!
Hay quá
Tanto que critican a Transmilenio, pero en otros lados saben que un sistema de transporte colectivo muy bueno!!
saludos desde argentina buenos aires..tengo compañeros de colegio colombianas y son muy bonitas..jaja
@Tostig68, I apologize for @jorgeubaque's rudeness. I hope that when you visited Bogotá you were welcomed with open arms. Colombians tend to be particularly nice to foreigners, maybe because we want to overcome the bad image that most of the world has of us.
Unfortunately, as in all other places, we also have intolerant and close minded people like @jorgeubaque. I hope those few people don't ruin the image you have of us. Most of us welcome your comments and your well intended criticism.
ojala que sea un exito tambien en Lima
Its all about Double Deckers man.. but not every city can have a double decker. Mostly Republic Of Ireland, England, Hong kong, Sinagpore double deckers are in full service and not just for Tour Buses
A bendy bus carries more people than a double decker
"Transmilenio because they are cheaper and ease traffic and pollution."
Wrong !
How is that wrong
A city is totally different to a country so bogota is a develop city but it is in a second world country no a third because colombia is still developing its economy but the cities and towns have good qualities of life and also a good development the problem is that the colombian per capita is of 18US$ and it has to be 20US$ until colombia became a develop country people says that colombia is avery poor country when is not the poverty rate in colombia is of 20% and un the U.S is of approximately 15% there is almost no different but the U.S didn't have to fight drug cartels plus it didn't have a civil war that is still there bu the government is trying to sign a peace treaty so there is no war people stop judging colombia because colombia its just a normal country about to reach its full potential plus the colombian economy grows 5.6% each year
yep... they already did that
This is Colombia, el riesgo es que te quieres quedar.
transmilenio is not the first in the world, it was created in cuitiba brazil almost 15 years before it was implanted in bogota
In this video we only see a part of the transmilenio, is a good system, but not to a big city like Bogotá, it has a lot of problems too, we need a subway since is the best massive transportation system this two combined could be the answer for mobility.
More money to invest, it is to late now
me doleria muchisimo si se acaba con un orgullo que nacio con los ideales de bolivar, es que nisiquiera somos nosotros mismos quienes crearon colombia, "recuerden", fue bolivar, un venezolano, extranjero de estas tierras, quien la libero de los españoles y quizo a estas tierras como suyas
Back then this commuting option was good, but now it's the bane of many citizens.
Crowded place but beautiful and organized... the buses are pretty good for transportation..
Para haber mejorado la infraestructura de la ciudad no necesitabamos de transmilenio, lo hubieran podido hacer perfectamente hace mucho tiempo.
thi si really good idea I live in asia and everyday traffics are becoming horific and impassible. This system can outrun guys in mercedes idling in city clogs
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@gigib0y el metro de medellin no es malo, pero la ciudad se endeudó por años con un sistema que podia haber sido remplazado por una solucion mas razonable. no vale la pena cometer el mismo error en otras ciudades.
they have those articulated buses in London....they've been found to be too dangerous in modern traffic and are now being phased-out
we have them all over the place in NYC. they’re not dangerous and London is adding them back.
Es orgullo para nosotros los Colombianos y envidia de muchos otros........
Transmilenio doesn't have the capacity for the transportation of all the citizens in Bogota, maybe it sounds strange after watch this new york times' video but this is the true.
Que bien los felicito ahora viene el metro de bogota que sera mucho mejor que el transmilenio, pero igual habia que hacer un cambio en los buses, mi ciudad panama también esta en un cambio en el sistema de transporte publico en los buses y pronto en el 2014 vamos a tener un metro, VIVA latinoamerica!
a carachas!!!!
solo nosotros podemos hacer de esta ciudad mejor!!!
dejemos de criticar y pongamos en practica la cultura!!!!
Nice system, Colombians!
I wish we've got something like this here in Moscow.
Yaroslav Uvenkov believe me, you don't Want it.
It's called the Metro...
Moscow has an excellent metro system
I think Billy Mays could have sold these buses just a little better, but this was a good sales pitch anyway, I'll take seven!
@colombianillo ahora que habla de los paises latinos, recuerde entonces las tarifas... argentina por ejemplo es un pais donde si bien el metro es baste viejo, el pasaje cuesta 500 pesos colombianos... es más si ud va a medellin verá que el metro tiene tarifas especiales para estudiantes, clientes frecuetes, personas de la tercera edad. en fin, creer que no tenemos un problema es ignorar todo lo que ha pasado con la contratación y la corrupción.
cannot build subway I guess the city is over 2600m and risk at the earthquake mountain zone...I see something in Quito Ecuador as well...
el transmilenio ta bueno , y las fase !!! 3 mejorr
@BlancaCM1 Yo no estoy criticando el transporte público aunque no es el mejor, es medio aceptable y si he estado en Estados Unidos, Alemania y Holanda donde el transporte es mucho mejor, lo que estaba criticando era la falta de infrastructura vial y mala planeación vial de la ciudad que nos perjudica a nosotros los bogotanos
Colombia
The accent is on the second last syllable for 'Bogota' not on the first.
Just be careful with pickpockets and thieves it is really common since everyone is so bunched up one to another
transmilenio fleet is about to be replaced by brand new low emission buses, it's a good thing.
@aldree28 no tiene que ver con la atenas actual. es con respecto a la civilizacion griega que practicamente inventó las artes liricas y es la cuna de la humanidad. hasta hace algunos años, bogota era apreciada por su cultura teatral. por eso era una pequeña atenas. y no, la verdadera atenas no es fea. lo digo por experiencia propia. cordial saludo.
thanks ;)
@vagnervagula2: Actually that's a quite inaccurate assertion. On peak hours, TransMilenio's lines move 45,000 passengers/hour/direction at an average speed of 26 km/h, while Curitiba's RIT lines move 13,000 passengers/hour/direction at 19 km/h. (continues...)
Can you do a video on the myciti bus in cape town
this is one side of this system of transpotation but dont say the other things of transmilenio how the insecurity in the buses, the precary service to attention, the prolific state of the transmilenios highway, the inflated of the buses in some hours
transmilenio isnt a easy transportation system have some advantage but no everything is good, i live in bogota and i know that i say
Are you out of your mind? This is the worst system ever, pollution is affecting Bogota citizen's health.
A que hora filmaron este documental pues nunca lo he tomado tan desocupado, casi siempre hay que subir a empujones y queda uno apretujado con lo lleno que va, me parece rapido pero demaciado incomodo viajar en transmilenio.
Conoces Brasília?
oye pero si esta lindo el sistema de transporte colombiano es similar al de Lima obviamente que nosotros recien nos estamos levantando. Saludos Colombia lindos colectivos.
:))))
I am from Bogotá!
Ja, en ese video omiten como se llenan esas estaciones, generalmente esos buses pasan llenisimos, la gente en su mayoria de pie, la gente cierra a presion por que la gente esta que cae,
colombia!!..
Faltó mostrar el flujo a las horas pico (y lloviendo). Por otro lado, esos buses contaminan demasiado !
HOW IN THIS WORLD TRANSMILENIO IS GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT?
Because it reduces the amount of private vehicles on the road
Alguien acaso recuerda como era de caótica Bogotá antes del transmilenio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Transmilenio no es malo sino que hay negligencia en el gobierno distrital
el problema es que el mio en cali es algo nuevo el transmilenio lleva mas anos en bogota y transporta mas personas y como sabras cali tiene menos personas que bogota y el transmilenio es de mayor uso por jovenes estudiantes ya que el mio cubre mayor esas areas donde estan las universidades y lo de la seguridad estoy de acuerdo yo me siento mas segura en cali que en bogota y bueno soy calena pero he vivido en cali y nunca me he sentido segura en bogota no se pero me da un poco de miedo.
In this case you simply build a subway. BRT doesn't match the capacity, speed and comfort of a Metro or Light Rail System. BRT are useless and they do not actually offer an alternative to light rail.
Well said. politicians don't want metro systems for Bogotá. 70 years trying to build the first line and never happens
@@diego90XD That's very unfortunate for the residents of Bogota
@@railfan9174 It's still cheaper and more flexible than a metro or light rail. Plus if they integrated both forms of public transportation it would be perfect.
@Enerjee Well, those are the differences between developed and third world countries. We're just way behind.
@ALEXANDER7210 con todo respeto por su comentario y, con todo orgullo de ser bogotano... conozco ciudades que ud citó antes y la verdad, nos llevan ventaja en muchos aspectos. no hay lugar perfecto pero, lastimosamente con lo poco que el gobierno apoya la cultura, bogota podria facilmente perder ese titulo de atenas latinoamericana. seria una pena. cordial saludo.
transmilenio would be the best transport if it people had some respect, it gets so packed up!! people get on the buses even when they`re about to explode and that`s not it, the lack of culture among colombians is horrondeous. Only 15 to 20people should be allowed to be on their feet as you can not have 300 people when there is room for only 80 people!!
@ivonnata I do not know what is worse, my year or your English
ja por dios en cali yo ando con mi maleta atras sin ningun problema aca la gente es muchisimo mas civilizada nos respetamos nunca me han robado me siento tranquilo en mi cali en verdad, el problema del sistema de cali es que no hay sufuecientes buses y realmente uno puede pasar hasta 20 minutos esperando un transbordo en la estación hay que madrugar bastante pero el sistema que tenemos me atreveria a decir que es mejor que el de bogota es un sistema perfect lastima como digo hay que meter mas bu
que pesar que cada vez este pais se este desmoronando, no va a ser la guerrila que acabe colombia, ni siquiera el gobierno, va a ser ese separatismo reciente que esta fragmentando sicologicamente a varios colombianos, eso puede llegar a ser contagioso, incluso, los que reconocen ahora ser colombianos de pura cepa, puede que en un futuro se regionalize y deje de ser colombiano, que pesar
si el gibiern o las familias que han gobernado este pais dejaran su egoismo a un lado y dejar de robar plata para ver q familia es mas ampona seguro bogota tuviera un metro y el transmilenio seria como una especie de alimentador del metro y seria una ciudad perfecta, me imagino que viajar de sur a norte es una caos aya pero en seri si medellin tiene metro por que no bogota que es una ciudad demasiado larga haganse respetar rolos ustedes son muy callados y tolerantes por eso se las monta el gob.
@tavo199121 no se pegado y por aca pegado su persona SE PARECIO EL CAMPECINITO A CANTAR CARRANGERA Y A CRITICAR EL TRANSMILENIO si no le gusta el sistema transportese en burra como lo hacia antes de que hubiera transmilenio (por cierto el transporte publico estaba igual de saturado antes de que llegara el transmilenio y pues es comprobado que hay mas posibilidades de que lo roben a uno en el transporte publico que en el transmilenio) RESPONDE LO QUE QUIERAS POR QUE NO LEERE NADA
Bus still the mass transport
nice video! i hope this BRT system will be applied soon in my country, Vietnam. our roads are full of motorcycles, cars and long vehicles. it takes so much time to go from A to B. :D thanks for video.
@artemisadarc Si estoy deacuerdo contigo, es solo envidia o ignorancia si conocieran afuera de Bogota o otros paises no abririan la bocota para decir babosadas..................
Uno de los poco paises sin tren ni metro....perdon!...soliamos tener trenes!
Este vídeo es del 2009.
Hola, vengo del futuro, 6 de octubre del 2020. Sigue el coronavirus presente en nuestras vidas. El Transmilenio ya no se da abasto con la población!!
also alot of killing, kidnapping, terrorrism, too much shit, the true is that is really dissapionting.
estos autobuses son un sistema antiguo y atrasado para una metropolis, Bogota sigue siendo un pueblo grande con aires de ciudad cosmopolita, solo su vida nocturna es de una ciudad, sobre todo los prostibulos de alta gerarquia y la venta de drogas en las esquinas, tambien los chequeos de seguridad para bombas en los centros comerciales y demas sitios publicos, pueblo eres y pueblo seras...
And the subway....COMING SOON...2014
@lioncourt100 con el aditivo de que es caro y la cantidad de dinero y tiempo que se han robado con las licitaciones... en buenos aires el metro tiene un coste de 500 pesos colombianos, y el metro de medellín tiene la facultad de dar descuestos para usuarios frecuentes, personas de tercera edad y estudiantes... ¿seguiremos siempre tan ciegos a la realidad?, si bien no somos el unico pais con problemas, creeo que sí somos el más tolerante, abusado y conformista
@jorgeubaque
Oh I'm sorry mate - I didn't know visitors to Bogota are not allowed to have an opinion on it. Maybe that's why you have so few of them in the first place. Tourists can bring wealth to your not exactly world-leading country if you welcome them instead of telling them to belt up. Travel a bit more and you will see what I mean, besos x
@felipemonkey if you are so tough,, i recomend you to take a look at the complexity of quechua language, and the vast knoweledge it contains.
and peruvians are not quechuans, they are incas mixed with whites, blacks and much more,, just as the rest of southamerica.
read a book more often.. greetings from colombia.
Uff mejor que el metro de medellin 😌
Es mejor el metro
hey... calma... dejemos la vulgaridad que este video lo ven muchos extranjeros, pues está en ingles. no vayan a pensar que todos los colombianos usamos esas palabras. cordial saludo.
@santigomez1993 DE que habla a estado en otros paises???? usted no tiene ni idea de lo avanzado que esta Bogota en transporte publico en comparacion a otros paises o otras grandes ciudades en otros paises...........
@gaborreo everything was developed in brazil, colombia just copied it.
el transmilenio es bueno
pero no por la carrera septima
mucho trafico
TRANSMILENIO: una excelente idea, una pesima realidad