This brings back memories of school when we’d get these on the run occasionally. Then there were older J reg darts that were utterly gutless and could barely get up hill. Not as fucked as this though!
My earliest memory of these buses in London is when one of them stalled at the top of a tiny hill, then gently rolled down to the bus stop. Looking at all these videos I guess stalling was more of a problem with these buses than I realized
ex-Pete's Travel, says it all. Mid Wales Travel once bought (for some reason) an ex-Pete's Travel Dart. T547HNH. Was a dodgy shed with a top speed of about 20mph and half the windows had been replaced with un-openable ones...
Ngl that sounds scary that noiseit sometimes made starting up. I would have ditched that bus first chance no matter how nice the driver was lol. Feel sorry for the guy :(
ALX400 Bus Train and Aviation, But is it really scary starting up that’s the main question? And I do feel sorry for the nice guy as well. I would give him lots of money & he’ll deserve something nice, even though it’s a stressful job being a bus driver 😥.
Michael David no the solenoid doesn't start it the starter gear does it looks like the gear from the clutch on a chainsaw. All the solenoid does is to either cut or open electricity to the motor.
given that i spent near enough all my childhood riding around in them as the main operator at the time had loads of these to me it sounds like there is something wrong with the gearbox or the clutch cos the engine sounds fine.
I remember these the seats were like sitting on a rock horrible noisy things I’m glad they got rid of them bloody awful they used to give me headaches aswell so annoying 🤦♀️🙍♀️
In Hungary, our BKV (Budapest's foreign Transportation Company) has a lot of Ikarus 405 (midi), 415 (solo 12m) and 435 (articulated 18m) diesel buses. They started to take them out of service, while their engines are working very vell. (The 405 series sometimes had some starting problems, but another Ikarus 405 could solve the problem.. So the importance is on that those old Ikarus buses, especially the older 200 series are working better than the 400 series, and also better than Dennis buses...
I personally dislike Euro 3 Darts because of this, always breaking down. When my local Route 130 in London had them they would never start after the driver change at Addington Village.
Probably an EGR that make this thing breakdown a lot those stupid emission controls they put on this thing since Euro 3 did nothing but make engine less reliable and simply more rubbish
Makes me glad Go North East got rid of the majority of (if not all of) their Darts/Pointers, they used them primarily on the Venture routes, and god I hated those buses, tired, worn out, rusting away (to the point one even broke its' passenger door hinge so only one side opened mid-route!!), doors failing to work, thank goodness for the Optare Solos and Versas they acquired to replace them, so much nicer, despite having basically the same drivetrains.... :)
I remember when the Dart was a new thing, not long after Arriva North East took over the United buses here in County Durham in the late 90s, they were introduced (as the Plaxton Pointer) to replace the ageing stock of Leyland Nationals, and they were quite the novelty, such a low floor, the windows didn't leak like sieves, and were "quiet" (In comparison to a National), but not long after that, they started going wrong, and hilariously, Arriva repainted some of their remaining stock of Nationals into their liveries to temporarily replace the conked out Darts while in for repairs!! :P Since then, I've never really had any soft-spot for the Darts, one bus I do miss though are the MCW/Optare MetroRiders, noisy, but nippy... :)
There's several things wrong with this poor thing the starter struggles engaging/disengaging the gearbox is struggling in pretty much all operation, the engine is starved of fuel Poor thing
2:22 Ouch! It's a dying Dennis Dart, a total shame and Darts are/were great buses to ride in. :'( Can't really comment on any other company apart from the Stagecoach, because I've never been on a bus with any of the others. Stagecoach however - only one man and his sheer greed for money and corporate dominance is to blame for the way the company is going or behaving...Brian Soutar! He's the founder and chairman of Stagecoach, living the rich life while his poor workers (or should that be slaves?) are working long hours, little breaks and on low pay, the fleet in every part of the UK is not getting the funding from him that they deserve, to expand and serve the public in the way it should. The technical/mechanical arm is not as high a standard as it should be, not to mention that depots are closing nationwide and fares are on the rise!
KillieKingdom, I live in Hastings & on Thursday when I was going to work on route 101 to Rye, I caught an old shabby Dart that was working fine until we got to Fairlight Village Commanders Walk & then the bus broke down. The Driver said this: Guys, If I can’t get the bus to start, Then you’ll have to catch the next bus. But he got it going again thankfully, all thanks to Stagecoach. And we was 3 mins behind schedule, but I don’t give a fuck about that at all. The driver also said that he accidentally stalled it. But now everything’s going good in the hood.
Not all darts are poorly maintained. Thamesdown (now called Swindons bus company)used to have alot of Dennis Darts, most are voith ones (they are all withdrawn) those darts were maintained well. Stagecoach and Lothian darts have good quality, not poor at all.
thank goodness this is in the UK, if it was in America the passengers would complain and the driver would've abused the bus more harshly to get it going and instead making the problem worse Edit: i know the driver's nice in the video but America its kinda the opposite
In Canada (dunno about the other provinces) in the province of British Columbia, the bus would be immediately taken out of service and a replacement coach called for.
This is an example why First Midland Red Did not keep their 3 Remaining Dennis Darts because they were worried they would fail to because to me there was no point of Keeping them. But I wish they would keep them for longer. They even got rid of their only Dennis Dar MPD (Mini Pointer 2 Dart) 42876 which I think also had some trouble.
@@publictransportvideos4805 i cant agree even more mate i love the company but the people in the offices dont give a flying toss about the bus maintanence and the drivers altho most people are friendly at Diamond i love the company got ace buses better than NXWM in my opinion
@@123CrazyChazy true I would rather a Volvo than a dart too I hate the streetlites as well same with the e200/e400 mmcs they are awful I would also take a scania or Volvo any day
Starter motor would not enguage corrrectly then it sounded like the engine was forced to stall out as the gear wouldn't release. Got more than the one problem with that vehicle.
That did not sound good at around 2:25 there. This Dart reminds me of the Arriva one on UA-cam (X or Y-reg Mini Pointer Dart) that just couldn't make its mind up.
The first bus with start stop technology, lol
Better dont do that on UK busses, they all start like crap overthere….Not safe……
This brings back memories of school when we’d get these on the run occasionally. Then there were older J reg darts that were utterly gutless and could barely get up hill. Not as fucked as this though!
I agree bud absolutely shit used have them here in east anglia.
Spent more time in the workshop than earning there keep.
If it's not passengers it's buses that push drivers to the limit.
And idiot car drivers.
Can't get truer than that
3:15 Driver: "Come on!" lol I like that
3.15 "come on" then just thrashes the hell out of it
The driver was really nice when people got off the bus, that's all I care about
Lewis Curtis, I know, why thrash a broken bus when it’s got a very shitty engine 🤦♂️?
Public Transport Videos, Yeah, I like people who do that is well.
get on schedule.
Yeah that's pretty funny, c'mon *splutters 3 times* "whoosh"
@@paulodeoliveira6728 it wasn’t the engine. It was a gearbox issue.
It wants to be a hybrid when the engine but out when it stops. Lol
2:21 I don't know why but that 3 tone beep beeping while the engine struggles to start just makes me laugh
Idk why its strangely nostaglic to me
My earliest memory of these buses in London is when one of them stalled at the top of a tiny hill, then gently rolled down to the bus stop.
Looking at all these videos I guess stalling was more of a problem with these buses than I realized
Love the old Dennis darts, shame they got rid of em.
In skegness there's still 2 in ordinary operation and they're still used as driver training buses
come down to stagecoach west, we have plenty of them! as they replaced the solos we had (for a short period of time)
There's still a few in use here in Hertfordshire, the 6 and 11 routes in Stevenage use a couple
There is 4 in Worcestershire All operated with LMS Travel. But 1 has gone I think
ex-Pete's Travel, says it all. Mid Wales Travel once bought (for some reason) an ex-Pete's Travel Dart. T547HNH. Was a dodgy shed with a top speed of about 20mph and half the windows had been replaced with un-openable ones...
Absolute quality.
Public Transport Videos i've just noticed the yellow and red hand rails. Nice "effect"
Redditch's buses have lots of "nice effects" like that too ;)
Public Transport Videos why don't they fix these things?
It costs money and they don't want to spend it
Ngl that sounds scary that noiseit sometimes made starting up. I would have ditched that bus first chance no matter how nice the driver was lol. Feel sorry for the guy :(
ALX400 Bus Train and Aviation, But is it really scary starting up that’s the main question? And I do feel sorry for the nice guy as well. I would give him lots of money & he’ll deserve something nice, even though it’s a stressful job being a bus driver 😥.
Lukeyboi o
The Dart was doing an impression of an old British car trying to start from cold when the starter solenoid disengaged from the flywheel.
Michael David no the solenoid doesn't start it the starter gear does it looks like the gear from the clutch on a chainsaw. All the solenoid does is to either cut or open electricity to the motor.
@@cidertom5140 That's what i mean.
I catch the 226 nearly everyday and the bus I had a couple days ago had the same problem
Bloke sitting there in the off-white jacket looks either half-bored, or half-dead lol - or perhaps that’s just good old British stoicism! 😂
Poor bus anyways great video mate I’m your 440th sub keep up the good work!
Sounds like a grinder when its reving
given that i spent near enough all my childhood riding around in them as the main operator at the time had loads of these to me it sounds like there is something wrong with the gearbox or the clutch cos the engine sounds fine.
That one is a VOSA magnet.
Omg that noise is like a very broken down bus
All you need to do is look at the poles to see how old it is!!!
2:37 The rev
I remember these the seats were like sitting on a rock horrible noisy things I’m glad they got rid of them bloody awful they used to give me headaches aswell so annoying 🤦♀️🙍♀️
Charlotte Conway, Have they replaced them with new seats and interiors?
the ones panther have down in essex are lovely, fairly quiet, comfy and all over a lovely bux
We used to have loads of T and P reg Darts in Southend operated by both Arriva and First.
Driver to mechanic "is it broke?" Mechanic"it's worse than that, it's dead Jim"!
In Hungary, our BKV (Budapest's foreign Transportation Company) has a lot of Ikarus 405 (midi), 415 (solo 12m) and 435 (articulated 18m) diesel buses. They started to take them out of service, while their engines are working very vell. (The 405 series sometimes had some starting problems, but another Ikarus 405 could solve the problem.. So the importance is on that those old Ikarus buses, especially the older 200 series are working better than the 400 series, and also better than Dennis buses...
it could be the battery is knackered as well
I personally dislike Euro 3 Darts because of this, always breaking down. When my local Route 130 in London had them they would never start after the driver change at Addington Village.
Euro 3 Dart aren't bad buses at all. They just need proper maintenance like any other bus.
Probably an EGR that make this thing breakdown a lot those stupid emission controls they put on this thing since Euro 3 did nothing but make engine less reliable and simply more rubbish
Makes me glad Go North East got rid of the majority of (if not all of) their Darts/Pointers, they used them primarily on the Venture routes, and god I hated those buses, tired, worn out, rusting away (to the point one even broke its' passenger door hinge so only one side opened mid-route!!), doors failing to work, thank goodness for the Optare Solos and Versas they acquired to replace them, so much nicer, despite having basically the same drivetrains.... :)
Some older Darts can be alright, if they're looked after. In other words the complete opposite of this
I remember when the Dart was a new thing, not long after Arriva North East took over the United buses here in County Durham in the late 90s, they were introduced (as the Plaxton Pointer) to replace the ageing stock of Leyland Nationals, and they were quite the novelty, such a low floor, the windows didn't leak like sieves, and were "quiet" (In comparison to a National), but not long after that, they started going wrong, and hilariously, Arriva repainted some of their remaining stock of Nationals into their liveries to temporarily replace the conked out Darts while in for repairs!! :P
Since then, I've never really had any soft-spot for the Darts, one bus I do miss though are the MCW/Optare MetroRiders, noisy, but nippy... :)
twocvbloke Dennis pointers has more power than the optare solo and versas
twocvbloke Arriva north east still has darts and I think they're in good shape.
twocvbloke, But luckily you made it to your destination safe & sound hopefully 👍.
Nice one!! love the sound of that Allison tho!!
Startup sounds like a motor bike 😂
not surprised that it broke down because if a bus looks as bad as that with basically all of the grab poles having all of the paint chipped off
There's several things wrong with this poor thing
the starter struggles engaging/disengaging the gearbox is struggling in pretty much all operation, the engine is starved of fuel
Poor thing
Poor thing? Its a piece of crap
it could be a starter motor is jammed or the gearbox is jammed
Jason Watson, No I don’t it’s to do with the Gearbox, I think it’s a MOT Failure.
1:05 omg steady on broke down bus lol
Great video. ☺️
Love to see the defect list the driver left for the mechanics.
Such a shame that darts are dropping like flys grew up with them and to hear a hoover on streets now is a rare noise
Typical diamond dart
2:22 Ouch! It's a dying Dennis Dart, a total shame and Darts are/were great buses to ride in. :'(
Can't really comment on any other company apart from the Stagecoach, because I've never been on a bus with any of the others. Stagecoach however - only one man and his sheer greed for money and corporate dominance is to blame for the way the company is going or behaving...Brian Soutar! He's the founder and chairman of Stagecoach, living the rich life while his poor workers (or should that be slaves?) are working long hours, little breaks and on low pay, the fleet in every part of the UK is not getting the funding from him that they deserve, to expand and serve the public in the way it should. The technical/mechanical arm is not as high a standard as it should be, not to mention that depots are closing nationwide and fares are on the rise!
KillieKingdom, I live in Hastings & on Thursday when I was going to work on route 101 to Rye, I caught an old shabby Dart that was working fine until we got to Fairlight Village Commanders Walk & then the bus broke down. The Driver said this: Guys, If I can’t get the bus to start, Then you’ll have to catch the next bus. But he got it going again thankfully, all thanks to Stagecoach. And we was 3 mins behind schedule, but I don’t give a fuck about that at all. The driver also said that he accidentally stalled it. But now everything’s going good in the hood.
Not all darts are poorly maintained. Thamesdown (now called Swindons bus company)used to have alot of Dennis Darts, most are voith ones (they are all withdrawn) those darts were maintained well. Stagecoach and Lothian darts have good quality, not poor at all.
Does your bus shake when you start it up
Badly maintained dart should take it back to the depot and also look at the bars absolutely horrible the purple paint is coming off
Lmao stop and start tech on a dart lol
thank goodness this is in the UK, if it was in America the passengers would complain and the driver would've abused the bus more harshly to get it going and instead making the problem worse
Edit: i know the driver's nice in the video but America its kinda the opposite
@ricvucjf I don't know but i think it's relatable in some states
In Canada (dunno about the other provinces) in the province of British Columbia, the bus would be immediately taken out of service and a replacement coach called for.
This is an example why First Midland Red Did not keep their 3 Remaining Dennis Darts because they were worried they would fail to because to me there was no point of Keeping them. But I wish they would keep them for longer. They even got rid of their only Dennis Dar MPD (Mini Pointer 2 Dart) 42876 which I think also had some trouble.
They simply are pieces of shit…. UA-cam is full with breakdowns of them
Oh dear looks like that bus is certainly not going well
Loved the older ones in Darlington, shame they all went
Gearbox low on oil I reckon.
Great video
Possibly sub please
Sounds like fuel starvation.
The problem is that Diamond don't give their buses the proper care they need to work well
Aaron, That could possibly be the case.
Public Transport Videos, What in the world? Diamond buses don’t give their buses a proper care 😥? Oh fuck.
@@paulodeoliveira6728 please don't swear I mean kids are watching this.
@@publictransportvideos4805 i cant agree even more mate i love the company but the people in the offices dont give a flying toss about the bus maintanence and the drivers altho most people are friendly at Diamond i love the company got ace buses better than NXWM in my opinion
Doesn't make an operator look good when they send out buses like this.
00:45 The driver opens the doors when the bus is still moving
and? All our bus drivers do that here
Why is it always mainly old people who travel on buses?
Because alot of them stop driving and some places they want to get to are too far for them to go. So that's why they go on buses mostly.
That bus didn't sound like it was having a good day
Diamond's never have good days
Public Transport Videos, Is this the worst bus in the Diamond fleet?
sounds like the fuel pump is fucked but i may be wrong
Sounds like a Diamond bus ;)
Our R15PLK(BA52GHA) has a similar problem
ItzChaza I know about engines and it's sound like the fuel pump I agree 😃
Fuel starvation.
Starter motor issue?
hello from Hong Kong 🇭🇰
we had dennis dart before but all of them are retired already 😢
0:44 THE FLIPPING DOOR OPENED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD
it could be the choke is knackered or the fuel pump is knackered
There is no choke on a diesel engine
My question is why do people hate Dennis darts so much
I’m a big fan of Darts!
Public Transport Videos same I just see people say how much they say them personally I love them
@@publictransportvideos4805 me too!
@@123CrazyChazy true I would rather a Volvo than a dart too I hate the streetlites as well same with the e200/e400 mmcs they are awful I would also take a scania or Volvo any day
@ricvucjf very true
Rip dart lol
Bus companies love to keep running these Old Bangers to the ground. Whilst Arriva in London get all luxury new buses,
Starter motor would not enguage corrrectly then it sounded like the engine was forced to stall out as the gear wouldn't release. Got more than the one problem with that vehicle.
This is what happens when you don't maintain a bus.
This has the Newer E200 Engine
That did not sound good at around 2:25 there. This Dart reminds me of the Arriva one on UA-cam (X or Y-reg Mini Pointer Dart) that just couldn't make its mind up.
Mitchell Hurd The Dart didn’t sound good the entire time 🤣
Shame most of their Darts have gone now though...
Now Scrapped , gone in 2019
Just shows how bad darts are hope they will replace these junk with enviro 200
Not all darts are like this. When thamesdown used to have darts, they were really fast and powerful.
And the lothians.
@@Great_WesternTVFan any sort of SPD dart was good! and when FIRST operated in chippenham they had some pretty decent darts
@@Great_WesternTVFan down in London In Peckham we had these on the p12 and p13 and I tell u they were fastttttttt
Paint coming off the handles is disgusting!!!! What a lack of care by the operator
I Went On One & it broke Down and it was an mpd
Best to give it a bit more gas
I used have theses buses were I live until they got replaced with low emissions ones
Crap heap of a bus!! Miserable engine !! The Old Dennis farts sounded so depressing!! Always on High revs all the time
A ring there boss I tell them the bus it a shit box a different one would be nice ya no maybe
30701 is worse
they bought this back after march 2021
No it’s scrapped now
Glad they were scrapped, couldn't handle hills only comedy value was you'd pay £2.50 to get to your destination but never get there.... 🤣🤣
I dont get it why they drive the old buses get a better one like they have thousands of dollars
@ricvucjf i mean the new ones aren’t any better
Nope, the Royal Family has billions of dollars lol
its not broken its out of fuel but that starter is broken
Shed
This is bad 30897 is better than this
Shitty bus.. I'd blow the dam engine.
Dodgy diamond
Yotam Amit72❤😊
What a pieces of crap they always drive in UK…..