BTT #92 - Economist Reveals The ROI on Women w/
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Economist Aaron Clarey joins me to talk about his new book (The book of numbers) that examines the low ROI on chasing women for the average Joe.
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I have scaled back my total production requirements to achieve basic self actualization at this point. The drive to make myself a multi millionaire is so blunted at this point. I would rather be self sufficient with no nagging, and go do my hobbies/outdoor activities than sacrifice that for anything at this point.
How minimalist is your life now?
And here while I am listening to this excellent video, my ex wife is sitting in the other room, interupts me to tell me how many monthly payments she will have for her new phone... lol can't wait to sell the house and start my new life.
I bet it's the latest and most expensive phone too. They do the same with cars, shoes, handbags.
Women just fritter money away by obtaining things they believe will make them more attractive. Ironically, it's men that turn heads by having nice things. We don't care what phone a young hot women has. We care she's young and hot.
Your ex is in for a hard lesson when the penny drops that no one cares!
@@0ccam5Raz0r women don't buy those stuff for men rather they buy because some people have a hobby of collecting shoes, purses, jewelry etc
@@adflix424 I've thought about it a lot. Women mimic male qualities all the time as they think we're the same. I firmly believe they buy stuff to represent "look, I'm doung well. What a catch I am" in the same way they think being aggressive is attractive because they find aggressive men attractive.
Women copy without understanding.
@@0ccam5Raz0r Interesting points.
@@0ccam5Raz0r Women just fritter money away by obtaining things they believe will make them more attractive.... *for* *the* *next* *guy* . Fixed it for you!
What he says about girls acting like NPC on dates and having no opinions on world events or anything for that matter is so accurate.
"you just like that girl because she cooks for you and treats you nice"
YES
Novel approach. Lost on most women.
"If you want to be happy for the rest of your life
Never make a pretty woman your wife"
"I saw your wife the other day. She's ugly!
She's ugly, but she sure can cook, baby!"
5 minutes in and the truth is dropped like a bomb.
Thanks for bringing Aaron on, what a great show! He is 100% right.
It's a bleak message superficially but Aaron is right about dating apps. In terms of the time you would spend 'constantly swiping', 'building up volume', or spending money on 'flattering professional quality photos' - it's a waste of your time and money resources as a man.
You are better off learning and refining a skill, going to the gym to improve your physique, looking for professional opportunities. Build yourself up and success in all areas will eventually come, instead of a mindset of just getting by financially and trying to mop up the dregs on dating apps.
For what, to pick up DUDES?
@@jeffreyd508 I bet you liked your own comment
@@jimmycampbell78 I did. Maybe one day you'll post a comment that's worthy of that...
@@jeffreyd508 Wow, big ego. With that arrogance you should have no problem then picking up girls or dudes- whatever floats your boat.
The ROI is supposed to be emotional. However the emotional ROI in 2021 is very negative, so its not worth it.
That cannot be measured. How would you even know if there is a true return?
@SOUL SEEKER Feeling “fulfilled and happy” changes from second to second. It’s too vague and elusive.
@@Anonymous-md2qp Well, you cant really measure "utility" neither but economics estimate it by making something to measurable equal to something measurable... for instance... "how much $ would you pay maximun for this good= consumer utility"
You may do something similar by ataching numbers of quality to emotions like 1-10, similarely to the hot-crazy matrix...
Is it perfect? NOPE, but its a social science, it cannot be "perfect", humans are not "perfect"...
what is "perfection"?
@@979aljm I’m talking about ROI. When I buy stocks and property I can assess and track my ROI. I don’t know of a practical way to assess that in a relationship.
@@Anonymous-md2qp Maybe there is no way because it is pure chaos... and thats why this people say "avoid LTR's" XD
I was happily married for five years, but I was married for twenty-four years. When I began contemplating divorce, I consulted with three marriage counselors and two mininsters. All of them told me I should get a divorce. So, no, I don't think it was my fault. Guys, odds are it's not your fault. My mistake was waiting as long as I did. If you want out, get out. Don't keep burning up your years.
Got the same issue as Chris. Really in the manosphere we find many leitmotifs. When you're helping one of these guys, you're helping all of us
He was hilarious...Jaded, honest and awesome 👊
I love Aaron but man he’s black pilled .... who wouldn’t be if you knew the stats like he did
@@coreybrown4192 if hes black pilled then man i am void pilled
@@usernameluis305 explain what you mean by void pilled ?
I've watched this a couple of times now. I just find Aaron Clarey's "it's ok to throw in the towel" message such a relief to listen to. I'm a 30YO male with a good electronics engineering job with nice pay and benefits. I'm close to paying off the mortgage on my nice flat in the city. I have muscles and I'm definitely blessed in the looks department. But I can't get a single date. Whether in person or on dating apps, it's an excruciating process and the ROI is terrible. I've tried everything to improve things - considerable money and time invested. Thanks Aaron for explaining that it's ok to step back, put my hands up and have the self respect to say "I'm not doing this anymore. It just isn't worth it right now."
Always good to hear from Aaron!
I'm from Zimbabwe..... yes it applies sir 😂😂😂I'm legit from Zimbabwe by the way
ACs take with online dating is such a truth bomb.....utterly pointless, especially in these times. I've dabbled in online dating in the past with hit & miss success at best. Browsing profiles today just showcases what a dumpster fire that landscape is. You're likely to have better success just meeting someone randomly while you're out and about doing your own thing.
Resources not Rezources
I have book of numbers on Audible . I have listened to it 10 times now . Just life saver , thanks
To chris, going out and getting with different women should be the last thing you do. The best thing to do when you’re in heartbreak mode is to take your fitness to the highest level possible and also to work on your financial future. Use that negative energy to create the perfect physique or a massive bank account! The pain will go away with each day. Getting under another body asap is a female trait in my experience. Let them do that while you work in bettering your position.
💪💪
So true! Currently still working on this 🙌🏻
Lots of gun, Jesus, whiskey loving gals where I'm at. But very few of them are on the dating apps. Excellent show. Cappy is great.
wheree!
@@albertosanchezlopez2890 Idaho.
Always a good time with these two.
Whoa!
It's your job to have something going on in your life, so that whether a woman is present or not, you don't care.
Damn, that's powerful!
Aaron made me remember of a time i picked up a girl for a date, all she did was complain about where we were going and how she shoulda just stayed home. I got off the freeway and started turning back, she noticed and got upset that i was taking her back and started screaming at me. I just pulled over and told her to get out, she was in shock that i actually kicked her out in the middle of some blvd in sfv lol. Gave her what she was asking for 🤷♂️
When I look at women as just another person and don't over inflate their importance it makes it much easier to be with and around them.
This should be mandatory learning
I finished reading your book last night Rich. Great book man, thanks for the knowledge and insight! Least I could do was write a badass review. Also appreciate the videos and free content, I’ll be a lifelong listener and viewer. I’m working on getting enough bank to buy a in person talk.
Guy who called to say he found a great women but only dated her for 5 months 🙄
Was very cringe
Yes I'd sign up your course on how to find a long term relationship and find stocks
always a pleasure to hear from cappy
Aaron has great info and does a great interview, he should be on more often
I live on the "Left Coast" when I go on a dating site this is what I come across. "I'm a strong independent woman. I work for a non-profit organization. I love my job and have my own car and you should too. I'm a vegan and fight for animal rights. I do yoga and meditate. I care about the environment (but drives a V8 SUV). I love to travel, I go away at least twice a year to sunny warm places for the beach, I've been to (list off a bunch of countries). I like spending time with my family and friends and the best aunt ever. Family is important to me (but I don't want a family of my own). Must love dogs, my dog is my best friend and comes before everything else. " Those are the ones without children. The profiles of women with children are in worse.
Unless you want kids, what’s the problem?
Great data....thank you for being there
Clarey looks like a healthy Scott Weiland.
Miss Scott & STP. RIP.
@@realeyesrealizereallies99 Doesn't he remind you of him. Only healthy and well spoken. Yeah I miss Scott Weiland too.
@@life5161 He really does.
Hahahaha
Hey guys! Sorry for my English, I am Ukrainian guy, I’m just leaning it. I just want to say that I’m am happy for this 17 years old guy. He is going in right direction. I’m 39 and will be so fucking happy if I would know all this stuff that you guys talking about.
How do you have time to post when your country is being invaded?
Aaron Clarey is a savage. Love that dude.
Even before finding this channel many of the discussions here I've had with my buddies. Uncanny. Especially the one of the decline of women as their age/have kids, while men get better like a fine wine. I even developed a graph for that. Now I'm mid 40s. Almost as fit as I was in my teens minus a few injuries (sports did its thing) no longer scrawny and packing some decent muscle mass. Doing okay financially but live a very simple non glamorous life. Most people guess me as being mid 30s based on physical appearance. I wouldn't class myself as alpha but I don't follow the crowd and do shit my way as Frank Sinatra said. Funny enough the females I knew back in the day who probably looked at me with scorn now are chunkier, dimply, clingy, reek of desperation and are looking to settle down. I'm like why the eff would I settle for you and take care of some other dude's kid(s) with your tired dimply ass. It's a concept I can't begin to comprehend. Rarely someone still asks when am I getting married. I'm like I'm doing well enough on my own and I certainly don't need the stress or risk losing half of what I have.
Arron Clarey said nobody needs a motorcycle with a larger capacity than 400cc - that was the last time I ever listened to anything he had to say
I been struggling with this lately with my 20month LTR. She's an alright broad but I struggle finding high enough value long- er term on my roi. I can't find it. *Not having children
I'm a Malaysian. Got married when i was 26 years old and my wife is 24 years old. Still happily married after 17 years. My wife is low maintenance, loyal, take care of my belongings, raise my son good, cooks good food, religious (much more than me), adapts to my family (father and mother) and helps me out when i'm at my farm.
When u discuss about ROI, it means u treat marriage like a business. Not the way i see it. Marriage in my definition is me being a better man as compared to if i hadn't had my wife.
That's Nice
Are you going to link to your Only F @ns?
I want to ask something.
Please answer if possible.
In case of finding good women, how do you understand that they are good natured and not that they just don't have that much options available and the man has high SMV.
What is meant by good ?
ROI on wahmins? Stop trolling lol! More like LOI - lost on investment!
Just ordered Aaron's book. Thanks for the referrals boys
Disregard females, acquire currency
That’s what I did for 5 years while I was building my bank as a young doctor. Now I’m completely debt free with my house paid off, became a millionaire two months ago, and now getting back in the dating scene with a lot more leverage than I ever had.
@@David-fw4ly why going back in the dating game lol they only want you for money... they will take all your assets and then you can start all over again
@@ErnestkhalimovErnestkhalimov That would be true for a blue pulled guy. I’m getting a vasectomy next month, so ‘accidental’ pregnancy won’t be an issue. Plus I date with 3 rules in mind, don’t marry, don’t impregnate, and don’t co-habitate. Follow those three rules and you should be fine.
Of note, I only date casually, and date between 18-23 years old while girls are still in their party years and are fine with a short term relationship that will not lead towards marriage.
Also, I’m a physician working in private practice in the Midwest currently making 600k so I can spend a couple thousand a month on a girlfriend and it won’t stop me from building my net worth. Sure I could not date and build wealth faster but I’m 40 y/o and you get to the point where it’s okay to dabble in the dating scene without getting zeroed out like Rollo says if you are red pulled and stick to the 3 rules I mentioned above.
Also, if you are a young guy I don’t recommend dating, focus on building your bank and career and once you cross the finish line you can dabble as well.
I really like Aaron and read his Bachelor economic book. I feel he and Rich are more about disregarding women while you build yourself up and become the best version of yourself you can be. Rich is a proponent of dating, just with a red pill lens and don’t get married.
Lastly, as long as you don’t marry, cohabitate, or get a girl pregnant there really isn’t much a woman can do to take your assets away from you. Peace out bro!
@@David-fw4ly you're in the perfect position sir. Congrats and keep it up.
@@David-fw4ly congrats I am 26 and I’m financially free recently from trading, I will be following in your footsteps!
an hour per day of karate training, an hour per day of casting bullets out of scrap lead, or loading ammo, an hour per day working on your ccw draw, airsoft shooting, or live fire at the range. hunting wild hogs or other varmints, shooting various types of matches, especially "combat" style stuff, and your evenings and weekends will be filled-up and you'll be making yourself a man who is looked-up to by other men, which means women will desire you.
Good convo. Keep 'em coming.
I'm leaving. I've assessed the situation and I'm going.
Don't ask me why, but your comment hits hard, Knock it out Of The Park, it's gone ! Cliss el'grand, t'un vra, du solide comme commentaire, demande moi pas pourquoi, mais ben kin !
Clearly an American psycho reference
i drive a 17 year old, beat up minivan, and my (now ex) wife loved the fact that she didn't have to rent a truck to haul the furniture, etc that she hauled around for herself and her gf's. She knows full well that my living in that van is how she got to the US . Doing so saved the rent, utilties, commuting, etc that paid for my trip to meet her in the Phills. The marriage lasted 7 years, which is the average anyway . I found a way to make money importing a wife (5-7 years each) and I probably would not have done so without "going thru" a Filipina who's 35 years my junior. My new wife, Columbian, is 50 years younger it's unlikely that I'll bother with having
Sounds like an old fashioned marriage of convenience. “Man with farm seeks woman with tractor. Send picture of tractor.” 😉
Hey-whatever works for you!
Didn’t you recommend this book a month or a few ago? Cause I swear I saw this cover on your Amazon list. I bought all of them haha!
Bumble, Match and Eharmony have worked best 4 me. Tinder is a disaster, but perhaps if I delete account and reswipe with pro photos. I’m talking deciles. I gotta be an at least 8 but realistically a 9. I date 4s and 5s in 40s/50s. I pay for premium. Got to find great cold approach spots in suburban location. I do it but most r married/engaged. Rings r really small and sometimes not worn. I got a PhD and try to specialize in the overeducated because I’m rare but really consider all ed lvls. I get dates, but the mismatch is crazy.
Cappy looks super healthy and chad like here without his glasses. Its a good look for him
Aaron is raising a very interesting question here. What happens when the price for working hard, which in the end is clearly hot wahmen, goes away? I believe you can see the answer in lots of young guys already. I know tons of guys my age (34) who're taking it easy these days. And why not? Yeah I understand the excellence motive, I like to think I'm on that path as well, but taking it easy, having lots of spare time to enjoy life isnt bad either. How much money does a man really need without a wife and children? Take a look what Joker of the Better Bachelor Channel is doing. Living in a bus travelling the world doesnt sound too bad imo. Its certainly alot better than working some stupid blue collar job 60 hours a week, only to pay for that house she so desperately wants.
So what happens when guys take it easy? Our economy will take a backseat in the world. We'll just not be that important anymore.
Honestly it’s the most interesting topic Iv seen spoken in this video for a long time I hope one of them really elaborates on this in another video
"" ...but taking it easy, having lots of spare time to enjoy life isn't bad either. How much money does a man really need without a wife and children?""
A new red flag!
In all the train wreck relationships I’ve been in... bad train wrecks... they all had..
A picture of Marilyn Monroe on the wall....
is this common!!??
the no crying rule is one of the best advise i heard
Good show Richard, thumbs up.
Aaron is the king.
Thanks Rich
Book of numbers was super important to me, im married and it helped reinforxe some assumptions i had about women. Have a parachute gents, dont center your life ln your wife or LTR, and have everything set up so that if you get kicked then you have places to go and other people to do 😂
Great chat men.
This episode is visible and available on apple podcasts but it doesn’t work and won’t download.
A picture of Marilyn Monroe on the wall at her place...get out of there... major red flag!!
Speech codes on campus, f3minism in general, coldness on a first date- it's _all_ a sh*t test.
Do either of you know how much money you spend on your plates per month?
I think the worst dating scene is definitely in North America (USA and Canada) followed by UK, Australia and New Zealand. I think Asian women from Asia itself not the ones that grew up in western countries are slightly better at least they don’t get obese after 30. But yeah men must protect themselves in life, dating and marriage.
I've had all colors, not all flavors, yet I too have a biiiiiiig thing for redheads. Something about that milky soft skin and (my usual joke) that Irish cremé
Sounds like Cappy might have the Covid...
Love him, so down-to-earth, he just doesn’t give a fuck. He literally has zero fucks left to give. Very likeable guy.
So im 38 and i want to have a family.. its sad how things are for men
Come to Asia friend.
Popp gets a shout out!!!!!!
He deserves it. Love his content!
Purchased both your books
Ladies here's some homework for you. Go ahead and create a Tinder account of an average guy who's trying to date a woman. Then swipe right on everyone and see how many dates you get. Once you do that. You'll understand why men don't want to commit to you anymore.
Please do one for teens
But when you're 55, near the years of retirement...stay single and spin plates while you still can ? Is that the best strategy ?
Save as much money as you can, go Philippean's or Thailand. Don't settle because you are a high value man. At least date 20 or 30 girls and look for red flags. Educate yourself on channel's like this on how to spot red flags. If your gut tell's you there is a red flag, trust it and find someone else. How women screen men is how you screen women
@@fearless6947If you have to go to a second tier or developing country to find a mate, you are NOT as “high value” as you think!
@@terry9238 a high value man does whatever he wants. No man cares about what you think. My life is good here. Weather is good, women are gorgeous, Food and rent is cheap
As spot on as Aaron is about so much, hes still a purple pill guy. You can catch 100 examples of his idealisms during this. I get it. Its a hard pill to swallow.
31:00 made my night LOL
What does ROI stand for? Region Of Interest?? In math it is often something in a multidimensional world.
Return on investment
@@stevenvaanbroaden4451 Thank You!
Hey Muhammed, try to dress and style yourself after Micheal B. Jordan. You can pull off a similar look. Work in the gym, focus on talking more slower and clearer( you can gather your thoughts easier this way and come off more confident instead of anxious) and focus on getting a job as soon as possible, and BANK the money. Good luck.
Redheads.......either you prefer them, or you DON'T 😁
And I DO! 😍
So true
Wooderson approved
Wow Clarey finally hit the wall lol.
The problem is normal June Cleaver women are boring so we spend our time and money on the crazy exciting ones that make us feel alive
Speak for yourself--sounds like you are not very imaginative. To a mature man there is nothing exciting about "crazy", and there is nothing boring about June Cleaver. Boring is having to constantly deal with the crazy woman's drama.
@@RK-db4oq Of course I speak only for myself and my experiences and beliefs. As to mature, I am in my 60s and have almost half a century of experience with women. I dated normal women in my 20s. I got married at age 35 to a nice normal woman. Even my mom thought she was boring. After 4 years of marriage and 2 daughters, she divorced me because I was working 100 hours a week establishing my Neurosurgery practice and not spending enough time at home. That divorce cost me over a million dollars and led to hours in court over 15 years relating to child support and child custody. How is that for drama? After my divorce I didn't want to get married again and felt free to date women that let's just say are not marriage material. I don't deal with crazy women drama because of 2 words....NO and GOODBYE. Maybe more about my experiences at a later time.
@@michaelh4720 Married 30 years, 4 kids, my divorce only cost me 1/2 million. I'm an attorney and have seen the spectrum. Given your wealth you are playing with fire--and whether you care to focus on it or not you are a prime target. Real "crazy" may try and kill you one day, or frame you on a rape or assault charge (or both), or have a kid using the condom you thought you disposed of property and hit you up for child support for the next 25 years. I've seen crazy, and I've lived crazy. Exciting? I guess in some sense perhaps, but so is Russian Roulette. I don't play with either. I stand by my "mature" statement.
@@RK-db4oq I agree it is a risky world for any interaction with women these days. Especially for a wealthy man. I got a vasectomy at age 40 after my divorce. Saved me a lot of false claims. I gave up completely on women about 4 years ago after Harvey Weinstein and the whole MeToo movement got rolling. Of course, at my age giving up on women is not that difficult a thing to do. Stand by your mature comment. Lol. I could care less about the approval of a stranger.
@@michaelh4720 Peace.
Why is it I've learned these rules and believed them as true...in like a month yet men still need to zoom call to hear the same thing they heard over and over again.... someone please reply if your also interested in this question...I think it's interesting
Because it's a fight against your cultural upbringing and biology. Women feel nice and the fantasy of marriage is strong.
Artificial redheads are the first to suck.
the one thing that incentivises me to study and work is a 65 mustang so I'm not sure about the women thing
Love your advice, but I'd have to disagree on the CDL license. I've been a truck driver for over 20 years. I make decent money, but the money you make for the work you have to do, is not worth it. Find something else. Forget about being a driver.
Very cool!
I would LOVE to get Rich's or anyone's thoughts on Aaron Clarey's 'The Book of Numbers' vs 'The Tactical Guide to Women: How Men Can Manage Risk In Dating and Marriage' by Shawn T Smith PsyD
What's the difference between the two? Is one better than the other? Which one should you get? Does being a dr of psychology give his book more credibility? etc
Oh my gawd hahahaha so Rich summed it up at 4:40? xD
Men shouldn’t think about marriage at all if they are under 35, PERIOD!!!!
Actually the last dude's T-shirt with the trees is cooler than Rich's dorky numbered wannabe StarWars old tee. Only pointing that out since Rich did. Real talk. Good stuff but take anyone's opinion with a grain of salt.
23:55
Want to filter the bad ones? Tell them that they are paying for the dinner. Ofc then you'll be single forever but what's the downside... you'll save some time at least.
Reality is multiple relationships throughout a lifetime from 16 to 96 or so. Not 20 to 90-To the grave. Thats how I see it. At 51 for myself. What woman can I go from 51 to 93 and when we hit 90, the woman and I are going to be still physically hot and heavy? Even if she is younger than me. The women I meet nowadays. They are very hard to just go out on a date and give very little in return. No way would I just wife up a woman in less than a year. My friend DB did it in 2004 and got divorced by 2009. He was told in Winter of 2008 that his wife's feelings were gone and there would be no counseling. He was her second husband. I never got married or had kids. I won in my life. No woman has been able to put the screws to me in any way shape or form.
Let’s face it, after 90-or 80 or 70-we’re not likely to be “hot and heavy” with ANYONE, whether new gf or wife of 50 years. (Even with all the little blue pills in the world.) After a certain age, platonic companionship and love may be more important. And someone suitable won’t necessarily show up later in life.
31:00 HAHAHAHAHA, dude... Lol
There are two kinds of women. Aspiring “tradwives”-who will expect you to be the main breadwinner for a whole family, forever. And “boss babes”, who make bank-and who will keep bringing in money throughout the marriage, with at most a brief timeout for babies.
The “tradwife” type will act like a gold digger, keep pressuring you to work harder and make more money, and in the event of a divorce will be able to CLEAN YOU OUT and TAKE THE KIDS-because she has been financially dependent and the kids’ primary caregiver.
If you don’t want that, choose a “boss babe” type.
If you don’t like that scenario either, too bad. Those are the choices.
LOL Redheads and Girls named Roxanne
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Fat , mean, disagreeable .....he nailed it
Haha hes got the rona. Thats what happened when i got it. I slept non stop for 3 days before i finally starting not feeling tired anymore
Same,
I got it early and I was super disappointed. I was hoping for a real challenge.
In my experience, every female dating profile is the same: boss girl with degrees and a 6 figure job who likes to travel to exotic locations and be taken out to fancy restaurants.
If she keeps making money throughout most of the marriage (with at most a brief timeout for a couple of babies), then she won’t be able to clean you out in the event of a divorce.
FIND OUT whether she sees marriage as a license to never work again-and if not, she may be a keeper!
AC is a National Treasure
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Quality women don't have to hide behind the internet to find a partner.
That's quite the blanket statement
@@WCGwkf its true tho
@@usernameluis305 says who, the op?
Early Moff!! lol