Bitcoin Q&A: Can You Trust a Hardware Wallet to Generate Your Seed?

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  • Опубліковано 20 гру 2024

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  • @abedrole7512
    @abedrole7512 4 роки тому +56

    0:40 "Trying to do elliptic curve multiplication or hashing by pencil & paper is probably too difficult for most people"
    => Like this comment if you think he did just that for his own wallet xD

    • @Juznik1389
      @Juznik1389 4 роки тому +3

      Hah, was about to write it! And only need to do it once too. I'm tempted

  • @SocraticMethodGuy
    @SocraticMethodGuy 4 роки тому +43

    This man is a hero plus genius

  • @Nuf1337
    @Nuf1337 4 роки тому +40

    How do you trust your pen?

    • @timurtimak6372
      @timurtimak6372 4 роки тому +8

      How do you trust yourself?)

    • @Blackwingsss
      @Blackwingsss 4 роки тому +2

      What if im mindcontrolled by 5G

    • @cococrypto1381
      @cococrypto1381 4 роки тому

      Especially if its name is Lepen.

    • @Juznik1389
      @Juznik1389 4 роки тому +1

      You can't, the angle of the led, the pressure asserted on the pens led and grip can be measured against the persons regular writing and recreated with enough combinations to get the correct characters🤯😁

    • @MitchellCallahan
      @MitchellCallahan 3 роки тому

      Using a dice roll and writing it on paper.

  • @Redreynard
    @Redreynard Рік тому +2

    It's May 2023. The middle of the Ledger backdoor controversy. And I was not happy. But this video has helped me calm down a bit. .... I think that Ledger should make Andreas their press spokeman!

  • @cococrypto1381
    @cococrypto1381 4 роки тому +9

    My advice is to check if your mnemotics are in a book and then write down the page, line and word number on a paper.
    Even someone find your paper, you will not have to worry.
    My second advice is to create a second mnemonic key and wallets and in case of emergency transfer all your assets on them.

    • @Kerrington_John
      @Kerrington_John 9 місяців тому

      Could you explain further ?

    • @bradmarcus26
      @bradmarcus26 8 місяців тому

      Horrible advice. They can check to see if you have done search engine searches for the word mneumonics as well as the books recommended.

  • @DorangoBread
    @DorangoBread 3 роки тому +4

    Andreas should do a step by step tutorial on generating a seed by rolling dice or cards. That would be fun to watch.

  • @chico280
    @chico280 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you! I've asked this question to myself numerous times.

  • @margoomahony9565
    @margoomahony9565 4 роки тому +2

    great question, well explained as always. Thanks again AA.

  • @irclaw42
    @irclaw42 4 роки тому +3

    How do we know the manufacturer doesn't keep a copy of the mnemonic phrase?

  • @televolna
    @televolna 4 роки тому +2

    Making our own seed phrase...if I am right it has checksum and must be created according certain rules. Or not?

  • @TheEVGAftw
    @TheEVGAftw 4 роки тому +4

    Great video, just got a trezor

  • @baronsilverbaron757
    @baronsilverbaron757 Рік тому

    Excellent. I would think that by far the most losses come from user mistakes. The simpler the hard wallet the better.

  • @deaconjamesk
    @deaconjamesk 4 роки тому +12

    I have bought every one of Andreas' books
    They are awesome!
    'The internet of things volume 3' just arrived and I will be reading it over the next couple weeks!
    Highly recommend guys and gals! I have a question for Andreas...
    50 Times multiplier is the figure I have heard in this space for a while
    Can you explain why crypto has a 50 x Multiplier marketcap?
    a)What contributes to create that?
    b)Who sets it?
    c)Could the multiplier lower in the future?

  • @rickparker8036
    @rickparker8036 4 роки тому +2

    Fantastic as always!

  • @Ones_Complement
    @Ones_Complement Рік тому +1

    How do you know the wallet is not generating a fake seed from your dice rolls with a private key already known by a malicious employee? If the answer is "you don't", is there a safer alternative?

    • @zorg621
      @zorg621 9 місяців тому

      There's a really great guide on their website on how you can verify it. Would recommend you checkout their docs and read the guide.

  • @ChitranjanBaghiofficial
    @ChitranjanBaghiofficial 4 роки тому +1

    How does Digibyte's MultiShield works?

  • @GiffysChannel
    @GiffysChannel Рік тому

    What about using bitaddress on an air gapped device?

  • @infatuationirony
    @infatuationirony 4 роки тому +2

    Great explanation! Would you consider doing a review on a non-open source BC-Vault wallet?

  • @davids4063
    @davids4063 4 роки тому +2

    Great answer Anton, and thank you!
    I have a few other questions.
    We have 2048 word for 12, 24, and 48 word mnemonic phrases.
    How many combinations are there?
    Are there more possible ways to create wallets than this?
    Will the world ever run out of private keys to be generated?
    Lastly, an observation, it seems as though one could attempt to use dice rolls or some other form of entropy to generate a new wallet, but then randomly generate an already used private key and accidentally discover someone elses bitcoin.

    • @localtribe2851
      @localtribe2851 4 роки тому

      Check his other video

    • @IRGhost0
      @IRGhost0 Рік тому

      You’d multiply 2048 by itself the number of times that’s the number of words in the mnemonic phrase.

  • @xmenmerex1376
    @xmenmerex1376 4 роки тому +2

    I'm on Paper Wallet. Better than hardwares.

  • @izzylogan25
    @izzylogan25 3 роки тому

    Some people are talking about diy cold wallet manufacture

  • @LiladharGaur002
    @LiladharGaur002 10 днів тому

    Than which device we use

  • @billfrenger8955
    @billfrenger8955 9 місяців тому

    Thank you Andreas. What if a government seizes the internet in it's jurisdiction and requires a government issued "Driver's License" in order to gain access?

  • @chrisone8283
    @chrisone8283 4 роки тому +2

    What is wrong with Tails? I’ll take that any day over a black box which is connected to an internet device, not to mention it’s free

    • @Quantris
      @Quantris 4 роки тому

      Nothing is wrong with Tails per se but the point is Tails' threat model doesn't protect you from compromised hardware. It's also not newbie friendly so as a recommendation for newbies, "use a hardware wallet" is probably the winner.

  • @rogernevez5187
    @rogernevez5187 4 роки тому

    Is there a secure algorithm to generate private keys from a seed ???

  • @Mr25thfret
    @Mr25thfret 3 роки тому

    How about owning a hardware wallet, transfer your crypto to it then create a paper wallet to store the bulk of your crypto?

  • @gumed85
    @gumed85 9 місяців тому

    Respectfully, one should learn how to do all these steps to create an off-line seed, for the sole purpose of understanding the fundamentals, even if you are going to use a comercial hardwallet.

  • @mrjam6767
    @mrjam6767 3 роки тому

    very well layed out

  • @TALKCalgary
    @TALKCalgary 2 роки тому

    Perhaps you should be discussing the issues with BIP39.

  • @ThedudeMMXlll
    @ThedudeMMXlll 3 роки тому

    Can you make a 2021 video plz.

  • @Saribex
    @Saribex Рік тому

    Well we can have our own entropy for our 24 words with 256 physical dice (1-3 is 0 , 4-6 is 0).

    • @F16_viper_pilot
      @F16_viper_pilot Рік тому

      Eh, you might want to make one of these ranges equate to a 1.😬

  • @PoppyRaid
    @PoppyRaid 4 роки тому

    Andreas could you update to present day your confidence in a 51% attack on bitcoin , or is it tge sane result as from 2015. ? 😉Many thanks

    • @Covalent5
      @Covalent5 4 роки тому +1

      It’s even harder now! Impossible I would say.

    • @MitchellCallahan
      @MitchellCallahan 3 роки тому

      It already happened, and the result wasn’t nearly as bad as expected.

  • @sl523
    @sl523 4 роки тому +2

    Surprised you didn't include "optional passphrase"

  • @leemisciali6020
    @leemisciali6020 Рік тому

    Hello. I need some help please. I have some funds which is aparently stuck in the blockchain which came from my Binance page due to minor fees being too low and can’t pay more. Aparently if I add the exact same amount on to my Binance this will release the funds that’s stuck. Is this correct. Also can a third party access my Binance page even when it’s my email/password and passcode

  • @boyacaxa
    @boyacaxa 4 роки тому

    I have a question. This devices work with a battery? If so, how to recovery the bitcoins if the battery dies? Or if the device stops working?

    • @DorangoBread
      @DorangoBread 4 роки тому +2

      You're suppose to write down your seed in the event any device breaks.

    • @lile5341
      @lile5341 4 роки тому +4

      After you save and written down the seed words, your cryto accounts can be recovered with any other hardware wallet from any manufacturer as long as it support BIP39 (Bitcoin Improvement Proposal 39)

    • @boyacaxa
      @boyacaxa 4 роки тому +1

      @@DorangoBread thanks

    • @boyacaxa
      @boyacaxa 4 роки тому +1

      @@lile5341 thanks

  • @majmunbezgaca5220
    @majmunbezgaca5220 4 роки тому

    ok i just have 1 question... what in case that something happens to ledger company
    and i end up with 24 phrase words and cant recover my coins from ledger...
    :/

    • @Quantris
      @Quantris 4 роки тому +3

      Wallets these days are all following a standard. So you can use these words with a different hardware wallet (or even software wallet) without issue.

  • @andrewjeremysilke
    @andrewjeremysilke 4 роки тому +3

    Your logo is your hairline. Brilliant.

  • @PoppyRaid
    @PoppyRaid 4 роки тому

    Elliptic curve calculations “Probably” to difficult for most people 😂👏✌️

  • @YouuRayy
    @YouuRayy 4 роки тому

    what about Mycelium?

  • @OscarHerrera-xc4to
    @OscarHerrera-xc4to 4 роки тому

    thanks bro!

  • @MarceloRodrigues-ch1lv
    @MarceloRodrigues-ch1lv 4 роки тому

    excelent video

  • @azoresmarine
    @azoresmarine 4 роки тому

    Obrigado

  • @willjensen4261
    @willjensen4261 4 роки тому

    Thanks🤙

  • @PietroSperonidiFenizio
    @PietroSperonidiFenizio 4 роки тому

    It's easy to make the first 23 words of the seed randomly. The problem is always the 24th. Could you give suggestions about that?

    • @norbertsimon4270
      @norbertsimon4270 Рік тому

      hmm Why? is the last word something like a sumcheck validating the combination? If so then the Total number of combinations is not 2048 on the 24th but "only" 2048 on the 23rd... well that is also big enough for me... :-)

    • @F16_viper_pilot
      @F16_viper_pilot Рік тому

      @@norbertsimon4270Yes, the last word is partially a checksum. The first 3 most significant bits (as I recall) are computed from die rolls or coin flips or whatever, and the last 8 bits are a checksum.

  • @friedrichhayek3683
    @friedrichhayek3683 4 роки тому +1

    making your own seedphrase!? We humans CANT create satisfying amounts of entropy

  • @yawzerdoink-a-sore-as
    @yawzerdoink-a-sore-as Рік тому +2

    Hello from 2023, Ledger is not trusted anymore, go fig!

    • @stevolanddownunder3549
      @stevolanddownunder3549 6 місяців тому

      Still the best.

    • @lucahoffmann8695
      @lucahoffmann8695 4 місяці тому

      @@stevolanddownunder3549 ledger is closed source and has released a concerning feature making it possible for ledger to retrieve your seed for „backup“
      Bitbox is the best.
      Open source and swiss made 🇨🇭

  • @fromeddie
    @fromeddie 4 роки тому +1

    No!

  • @deminthaashubodha9387
    @deminthaashubodha9387 4 роки тому +8

    My advice, don't keep all eggs in one basket.

    • @majmunbezgaca5220
      @majmunbezgaca5220 4 роки тому +1

      why ? isnt ledger nano best possible way to store coins? :P what can go wrong?

    • @tikklemeemo1979
      @tikklemeemo1979 4 роки тому

      Still losing 1 basket would be enough to piss me off

  • @marvelattar7798
    @marvelattar7798 10 місяців тому

    I have recently got into Bitcoin. I was led through the process and got my Bitcoin up to $49,999. The problem is I have maintenance fees of $4100. I have been told that I have to pay the $4100, before I can get the Bitcoin. I live on a fixed income and have not been able to pay the maintenance fee of $4100. What can I do to retrieve my Bitcoin?

  • @kokonato8646
    @kokonato8646 4 роки тому +20

    'Cure worse than disease' lol I love your political joke.

    • @KryptosChain
      @KryptosChain 4 роки тому

      Me too

    • @missionpupa
      @missionpupa 4 роки тому +2

      Kokonato he just said no pun intended and yet you still took it as

  • @kimgaugemusic
    @kimgaugemusic Рік тому

  • @securemaple
    @securemaple 4 роки тому +1

    Crypto was hyped up and touted as cure many problems but we have seen crazy financial situation, printing tons of money etc but the use cases of crypto seem to have not taken any advantage of it. It's still fringe market with manipulation and fluctuations for no reason or logic. If this will ever be mainstream, who knows?? It seems to be turning bit pointless thing.. Anyone agrees? For or against welcome

    • @jamesm2881
      @jamesm2881 4 роки тому +2

      If you do research of what is being developed behind the scenes you would think different. Follow the money .. visa is even getting in on the bitcoin game now

    • @nauxsi
      @nauxsi 4 роки тому

      @@martinlutherkingjr.5582 I'd agree. I would go as far as to say no one(new to the space) should be buying bitcoin between now and halvening event. Just turn off all the videos from day traders, let it drop, check back and in August buy a very small quantity if still intending to.

  • @lordswaggity1213
    @lordswaggity1213 4 роки тому

    I need dat SEED (:

  • @connylaurine745
    @connylaurine745 4 роки тому

    I just lost all trust in my Ledger Nano S.

    • @nofood1
      @nofood1 4 роки тому

      just a little I agree, but still got 90% of it in my Ledger.

  • @friedrichhayek3683
    @friedrichhayek3683 4 роки тому +2

    Trezor is a nightmare, I don't have a pc but you need one for updating it's firmware

    • @RandyDupree
      @RandyDupree 4 роки тому +7

      I have both Trezor and Ledger and Own a 2015 PC.. Trezor is my choice

    • @nimohobbs9827
      @nimohobbs9827 4 роки тому

      @@RandyDupree I do prefer my Trezor over Ledger also..

    • @nauxsi
      @nauxsi 4 роки тому

      @@nimohobbs9827 is that version 1 or the new one?

  • @friedrichhayek3683
    @friedrichhayek3683 4 роки тому

    But I don't need trust with my ledger nano s, it comes sealed and you connect it to a power source and generate your seed offline. Ledger is unsatisfying but trezor is cancer

  • @TheChiefCoin
    @TheChiefCoin 4 роки тому +1

    Sell into this pump.

  • @yaBoyDreamer
    @yaBoyDreamer 4 роки тому +2

    That hater needs some Jesus

  • @hyperskivo8426
    @hyperskivo8426 4 роки тому +1

    Just create a paper wallet on an air gapped computer and burn the computer afterwards.

  • @danielb8295
    @danielb8295 4 роки тому +3

    shave your head, make sport, eat healthy. greetings