There's a mythbusters episode on yt where they test how much you can bend a barrel, and still have it be lethal. Not very scientific (when are they ever) but it was a fun episode, even though I don't usually care for mythbusters.
no this curved barrel myth is cringe worthy. The research begins and ends with google. Fun fact the enfield had a curved barrel attachment long before 1944
German here. To understand the usage of this Krummlauf Rifle, you have to understand european living, especially german architecture. Most houses, even the ones i am living in now and i grew up within the 90s have a basement which has a small window, up to 30cm of height right above the ground of streetlevel. Meaning you have to use 3 stairs to reach ground level flats and living space, making it so, that you can not look into the flats through windows if you walk by. Meaning you can stand in a most of the time low ceiling basement (not high enough for german soldiers) and use the Krummlauf to shoot out of these windows. The inaccuracy would mean that you would not hit the guy doing the same on the other side of the street to often. In this way building a death trap for those in between. These basements served as bunkers from the bombs sadly. As far as i know it was developed late in the war probably for the last resort in the urban warfare in the cities and from bunkers. Streets are narrow in germany, not meant for the modern cars, so big or small street, the Krummlauf would have had the correct distance most of the time.
Thank you for sharing this, it is always interesting to learn directly from other cultures. I can imagine the atmosphere of tension, it would have been gut binding, but when it's a life or death situation, the choice is already made. Part of my family came over from Germany in 1893. Maybe you know who the name of an elite group of fighters in medieval times that basically lived at night, they slept during the day and trained and lived in the dark. They took out a huge army over a 4 mile stretch that had the army basically stretched out and could only move a few wide, and of course they would attack at night.
U can’t expect ppI from the us, to understand/respect different cuItures/ways of Iiving my friend. It’s literally one of the biggest things ppI witness with amerikans.
@@huswsimonbla not sure if you are serious but there is two variants, one for tanks and one for infantry, P variant was for tanks and the I version was for regular infantry soldiers, time to look things up before you talk my dude.
For gun geeks this is a big deal, have never seen any footage of this bizarre weapon being fired! Saw this in a book as a kid and it blew my mind thanks for this fascinating video!
@@fortyfour8160agreed. I've known about this thing for years but to see it being shot in a video is amazing. I wish they would have gave close-up shots of the hardware and the attaching mechanism.
Ian MacCollum did a video on 'Forgotten Weapons' to provide history and background on this device when he saw GT's Instagram previews, _before_ watching this video. HUGE props to Ian for showing a TON of class!
This is unique. Even Ian McCollum is jealous. Only 15 shots, but for people who understand what this device is, 15 shots is a lot of rounds. 15 shots of gun youtube history in the making. Great job.
Honestly? I have little skin in the "Is SDI the shit or just shit?" game... but Charlie's improv bits on their name are the best part of their sponsorship of the Garand Thumb channel 😅
@@TheSundayShooter better than the people who talk out of their ass. I don't see a problem with referencing a proper source. The internet is full of so much disinformation these days it is ridiculous...
@@bitfreakazoid I was referring to Ian's comment that this is "just a shooting video". Ironic for him to trivialise the demonstration in which a velocity increase was discovered along with stable flight through a medium _EDIT_ Apologies, I misread Ian's tone! Please disregard the above statement
Who would have thought garand thumb would make such a big contribution to WW2 history!? It's great to actually see firing of this thing documented for future generations
That's amazing to see an American ending up being able to try the Krummlauf! When i was serving in the Bundeswehr we had 2 Ocassions where we were allowed to shoot certain obscure but also in general historic German Guns hand in hand with the "Museum für historische Wehrtechnik" (basically translates to Museum for historical Military Technology). And we indeed had a Krummlauf Presentation, sadly none of us, no matter how qualified were allowed to try it out, but instead a retired General who ended up working for the Museum did. Is it a bonkers Idea and was probably not really useful at all? Definitely. Was it interesting? Hell yeah! Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
There were version with a 30 degree, 45 degree and 90 degree curves. The 90 degree curved versions were for operation from the hatch of a tank, half track or assault gun. Yes it was useful if you didn't want to get shot entering a building, firing from a trench or from a hatch of the StuG III as infantry tried to overwhelm the For 70 years this excellent idea has been ignorantly dismissed as one of Hitlers Crazy Weapons. Hitler had nothing to do with it.
@@williamzk9083I highly recommend watching Forgotten Weapons' most recent video on it. It wasn't Hitler's idea, but it likely never would've made it past the prototype phase without him. What's more, _as proven in this very video,_ it had significant drawbacks that made it nonviable for deployment.
@@williamzk9083 As tempting as the idea is, there was no practical way for it to be used as there was too many drawbacks (as seen in this video). I forget the name of it but Israel has a really nice attempt which is probably the best we'll get for another hundred years or so.
@@skepticalbadger Judging by everything said in the video and the description it is _heavily_ implied that it is. Also think logically, do you think there’s still somebody manefacturing these… for the StG-44 of all things? I can’t even find any non-functioning replicas for sale. Also if it were modern GT is always really good about giving credit to whoever made the stuff so in all likelihood it is the real thing. If you have any counter-evidence, please do share! 😊
A Krummlauf got me a credit on Mythbusters. I took a photo of one at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds museum years ago and they wanted to use the image for Mythbusters' "Shooting around corners" episode.
This is the best gun channel without a doubt. The content this year has been insane! So many things we have never seen in this detail! Thank you so much!
This one would have been an amazing one to get the Ballistic High Speed guys involved with. Extreme slow motion on the bent barrel would have been fucking sick.
Let’s hope the owner is generous enough to allow the BHS guys to put a round or two through it in the name of real information! Not that I didn’t enjoy this video, but BHS enables us to see things on a totally different level.
The original 8mm Kurz were mild steel/iron core projectiles. Which would likely break apart in the Bend much easier than softer lead core projectiles like the modern ammo you’re shooting now.
Thank you! I was going to mention the steel core military ammo vs likely lead core modern ammo which is more malleable and able to bend down the barrel without shattering. Also the military ammo of the time was likely steel jacketed as well so much stiffer which probably helped with the barrel's wearing out so quickly. The soft guilding metal jacket and lead core is going to do a lot less damage to the barrel.
Leaving one barrel at a set spin rate (twist) and then jumping into another barrel even at the same spin rate without the lands lining up might cause some instability in the bullet but might not have much or any real effect on trajectory or stability.
@@allthingsconsidered3211 a revolver cylinder is unrifled.. i could be wrong but as far as i'm aware revovler cylinders are smooth, the barrel is rifled.
Jamon! Way too awesome to let us get the chance to see this rifle in use !!!!!!! Way to go PSA guys!!!! So dang awesome to see this in action, actual rounds and get some in depth information on it!!!! Love it
There’s also a surviving example of this rifle in the private collection of the National Firearms Centre in the UK. I had the pleasure of handling and inspecting it about a decade ago.
The USA also made an attachment for the “grease gun” to shot around corners. When I was in grammar school in the 1970s I saw it in a book. Also there are attachments that use a camera that accomplishes the same function. Edit: There is in fact a photo of it in the subreddit r/interestingasfuck . M3 with bent barrel, c.1953.
This is so awesome to watch that thing actually get used! I'm surprised that nobody has replicated it as a novelty item. It would be fun to see a full auto meltdown video with it.
The breaking up of the bullets was only observed with the higher bend angles (the 90° version for sure). I think the 30° is the only barrel that really didn't fragment.
The "Myth Busters" TV show demonstrated how you can progressively bend a barrel all the way to 180 degrees and it still shoots. Yep, they bent a barrel into a U shape so it was actually facing BACK towards the shooter! The bullet only lost about 15 to 20% of its velocity, and IIRC did not break up. I think they cited the German WW2 experiments with the concept. You can find the episode on UA-cam under "busting gun myths" or some similar title.
@@zx7-rr486 They did it wiith a .22lr though, a lot less energy to rip through the barrel or fragment the bullet. Matt from Demoliition Ranch shot a few bullets into bent pipes, it definately works, but the more energy the bullet has the more it will erode the barrel. 8mm Kurz isn't a massively energetic cartridge, but still packs more of a punch than most pistols.
Price realized on most of these is about $3000-4000. Absolutely crazy considering these only last for a few hundred rounds. Very cool that we get to see how it functions!
Most people who buy them are collectors, they're not going to use them. There are guns that go for $250,000 that the buyers never intend to fire a single time... It's an awesome piece of gun history.
1- Congratulations for an excellent video 2- I came here on the recommendation of forgotten weapons 3- The Germans didn't know that to deflect a projectile all you have to do is swing like Angelina Jolie in "Wanted" hahaha Greetings from Patagonia Argentina
I can't believe how much I'm learning about the history of guns , even though I've been actively collecting them for around 34 years my knowledge wasn't even nearly where I thought it was. Great video.
The STG/MP-44 is one of my favourite WW2 platforms. I heard about the Krummlauf a long time ago, but ite effectiveness was never really explained. Kudos to PSA Arms for allowing this device to be used for this video.
Wow! Pretty cool! My Dad mentioned something about a bent barreled rifle once when I was a kid. I just added that to all of the crazy stuff a 19 year old kid saw while being a scout in Patton's Third Army. As I got older, I had seen pictures of this but to finally see it fired and given an explanation of how it was SUPPOSED to work was really interesting. Thanks!!
Absolutely amazing video! I never thought of seeing this device in action. On the other hand, as the thing has a lifetime of around 100 rounds, if I were the owner of it I'm not pretty sure I would have allowed you to use it!
Let's be very real, God doesn't want us focusing on this. He wants us focusing on Him. None of this political stuff pleases Him or amounts to being right with Him. Going to church and watching Garand Thumb isn't necessarily a flex. Just comes off as a sign that yet another Christian has confused being politically active for being a good Christian. Definitely talking about myself too. But let's not pretend Christians today aren't acting totally worldly in the name of politics and then patting themselves on the back for going to church every Sunday. It's not a chad move. Going to church is absolutely the opposite of a chad move. The world will think you're lame if you follow God. If you're making it a chad thing or being percieved as such, it's likely part of your political culture war than true relationship with God. I know for a fact Jesus would lead us to worship HIM and seek Him, not worry so much about politics. The people of His day expected Him to topple the evil Roman empire, that wasn't the plan. Why would He be especially concerned with our politics over our spirituality today. Again, Definitely talking to myself as well. Just really began thinking about this the more I see people talk about going to church as if it's a chad behavior. Made me start thinking about how we're not applying the Word of God to our lives. We're just calling ourselves Christians while being devoted to politics
The American reports of it's performance and problems may have actually been of the M3A1Grease Gun variant they made and tested to see if the idea had any merit. The Russians similarly made PPSh-41 variants to test the idea. Forgotten Weapons' new video on this (released same day) has pictures.
Bro my mind is blown!!! I can't believe we have this video. I'm such a WW2 nerd and man this made my day! That's such an "untouched" area of history and now we have such a high quality video on it, EVEN SHOOTING. That's so fucking cool. Thank you for making such amazing videos man.
This is the gun that started the trend of all our favorite guns that we know today and the guns that are the closest to the MP44 are the prototype MP45, the CETME, and the HK roller delayed guns and the HK33 being the closest to being the candid modernized MP44.
As far as I’m aware, the weapon was mostly intended for tank crews to fire out of the top of the turret without exposing themselves. Like a really primitive version of a modern CROWS remote turret. I think it was for urban and very close combat where the tank might be getting overwhelmed by enemy infantry, so the accuracy issues wouldn’t matter so much.
This is pretty fascinating. I consider myself a WW2 history buff and never knew about this. There is just SO MUCH information concerning that era of weapons development.
You know the idea probably came from Hitler geeking out and watching Bugs Bunny bend Elmer Fudd’s double barrel right back at his head. He was like, “yyaaa, das iz e guten idea!!!”
Amazing episode! Wish we could do similar stuff in the UK but our gun laws aren’t fun laws so keep up the great work bringing us these iconic pieces of ww2 kit! Now for Administrative Results to don his electricians uniform and test it 😂
If I remember correctly, they also had a 60° and 90° barrel as well, but they were quickly dropped due to breaking far quicker than the 30° and 45° barrels. The 90° was meant for their panzers, and would cause the bullets to break apart, limiting the effective range, but turning it into a pseudo shotgun up close. As far as I know, the 30° and 45° didn't break the bullets apart, im not sure about the 60° though.
garand thumb is ALWAYS bringing the absolutely coolest and most unique things on this channel! man, every time i watch a vid, im an even bigger fan than before. i dont know of any other people putting out such cool content and getting their hands on items like this. thanks again, this is awesome
Absolutely did NOT expect to see this on the channel. Thanks for making this historic video! These are the crazy things I could only read about in the obscure books on weapons development I collected as a kid.
The amazing thing is, by that point they were losing the war, yet they came up with all kinds of bizarre ideas that made very little sense in a practical world, cost them tons of money and research time, and took their scientists away from actual weapons and ideas that might have helped them. It was like we had OSS agents in the top of their research bureaus sabotaging their efforts. I have to say, Good Job Wild Bill!!!
@@jefferydraper4019 The British SOE were planning to parachute a sniper team into Bavaria to take everyone's favorite Austrian painter. The mission was scrubbed since there was a risk that the Germans would put someone competent in charge to fill the vacancy in the Reich Chancellor's office. "Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake."
@@KingDick-no2xs And the video here proves it is effective in urban combat. No other country devised such a thing. So you're just admitting to being ignorant.
@@KingDick-no2xs The last 300 years -> 80% of all new inventions, computers, otto/diesel fuel engine, rocket fuel + rocket science etc. are all invented by germans. They are kings of engineering.
At 8:36 The projectile could be faster in the Krummlauf because there is a effect in usage where the projectile gets squeezed and therefore gets faster (Squeeze bore guns have that, like on the Panther 7,5cm gun) The effect is called the "Gerlich principle", would be my guess Edit maybe you can get hand on one of these Squeeze bore guns, they are also pretty rare, but the projectiles are mostly very special in its apperance
The actual squeezing isn't what makes the projectile faster. It's the fact that the barrel has a larger volume, allowing the expanding propellant to do more work on the projectile. It's similar effect to increasing barrel length.
Might break the internet with this one, well done boys! I only saw one of these fired once and it was in black and white. I believe the 90 degree barrel caused the bullets to break up, not the 30 degree. The 90 created a shotgun affect to which they could clear attacking soldiers on and around the tank. Most interesting part of this video was the increased velocity. Should have shared more of those numbers. Awesome video, thanks to all who were evolved!
Can not overstate enough how awesome it is there is now modern videos online showing how this thing actually shoots.
There's a mythbusters episode on yt where they test how much you can bend a barrel, and still have it be lethal.
Not very scientific (when are they ever) but it was a fun episode, even though I don't usually care for mythbusters.
Like those rocket pistol videos where each round is about $400
Pleasant surprise seeing you here.
No Kidding - Memes and Gun-Tube videos just keep getting better.
It's almost like Musclecars and Rock&Roll in the late 60s - early 70s
no this curved barrel myth is cringe worthy. The research begins and ends with google. Fun fact the enfield had a curved barrel attachment long before 1944
Jamon from PSA is a absolute legend for letting them use this firearm.
Customer service at the stores is terrible. They make great rifles, but dealing with the immature children behind the counter is awful.
jamon? Jamon means ham in Spanish 🧐
Gotta try to keep Mike on their good side since he left leviathan 😂
@@giloro85but it’s not pronounced “huhmone” it’s pronounced “jaymin”
@@patrickharlow1098 that is definitely a made up name 😆. I know a Cuban guy called Usnavy cos his mom was rescued at sea in a raft.
"it may have not won the war, but today they won our hearts."
"Are we allowed to say that?"
Lmao
I mean, as long as it's about the gun then I don't see anything wrong
Always have
@@Barnes-ml9wg I think that might be just you
Best line of 2024 😂
As if this bunch AREN'T going to be total wehraboos! 🤣😂🤣
German here. To understand the usage of this Krummlauf Rifle, you have to understand european living, especially german architecture.
Most houses, even the ones i am living in now and i grew up within the 90s have a basement which has a small window, up to 30cm of height right above the ground of streetlevel. Meaning you have to use 3 stairs to reach ground level flats and living space, making it so, that you can not look into the flats through windows if you walk by.
Meaning you can stand in a most of the time low ceiling basement (not high enough for german soldiers) and use the Krummlauf to shoot out of these windows. The inaccuracy would mean that you would not hit the guy doing the same on the other side of the street to often. In this way building a death trap for those in between. These basements served as bunkers from the bombs sadly. As far as i know it was developed late in the war probably for the last resort in the urban warfare in the cities and from bunkers. Streets are narrow in germany, not meant for the modern cars, so big or small street, the Krummlauf would have had the correct distance most of the time.
Thank you for sharing this, it is always interesting to learn directly from other cultures. I can imagine the atmosphere of tension, it would have been gut binding, but when it's a life or death situation, the choice is already made. Part of my family came over from Germany in 1893. Maybe you know who the name of an elite group of fighters in medieval times that basically lived at night, they slept during the day and trained and lived in the dark. They took out a huge army over a 4 mile stretch that had the army basically stretched out and could only move a few wide, and of course they would attack at night.
U can’t expect ppI from the us, to understand/respect different cuItures/ways of Iiving my friend. It’s literally one of the biggest things ppI witness with amerikans.
My grandmothers maiden name is faust. I have native American on both sides of my family. I have family from germany and europe. :3 i born in america
Not sure if you are serious or not but the Krummlauf was made for the "Ferdinand" tank.
@@huswsimonbla not sure if you are serious but there is two variants, one for tanks and one for infantry, P variant was for tanks and the I version was for regular infantry soldiers, time to look things up before you talk my dude.
The ballistic and accuracy testing segments really highlight the engineering ingenuity of the time.
Do they?
"Have you seen those warriors from the Rhineland? They've got curved guns. Curved. Guns."
Lol is that a change on the line from Skyrim guards?
I used to be an adventurer like you, but I took a Krummlauf to the knee.
"I used to be an soldier like you. Then I took a burst of kurz from a curved STG in the knee..."
I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I hit it big investing in NFTs, started a family, and retired.
"if you have to travel by the night stick to the roads, it's the daedra with curved guns you see"
For gun geeks this is a big deal, have never seen any footage of this bizarre weapon being fired! Saw this in a book as a kid and it blew my mind thanks for this fascinating video!
weapon attachment*
@@skepticalbadger ?
Haha same here. Saw it in a book in a library when i was like 9 and was amazed.
Pretty big deal for WW2 fans as well. This is crazy to see this type of video with this weapon attachment.
@@fortyfour8160agreed.
I've known about this thing for years but to see it being shot in a video is amazing.
I wish they would have gave close-up shots of the hardware and the attaching mechanism.
Ian MacCollum did a video on 'Forgotten Weapons' to provide history and background on this device when he saw GT's Instagram previews, _before_ watching this video. HUGE props to Ian for showing a TON of class!
This is unique. Even Ian McCollum is jealous. Only 15 shots, but for people who understand what this device is, 15 shots is a lot of rounds. 15 shots of gun youtube history in the making. Great job.
Charlie is just out to push the envelope with the SDI jokes😂
Honestly? I have little skin in the "Is SDI the shit or just shit?" game... but Charlie's improv bits on their name are the best part of their sponsorship of the Garand Thumb channel 😅
@@generalilbisits an online only trade school... what more is there to say?
Yeah, the US Army also said The MG42's bark was worse than it's bite.
Or the MP40 was less controllable than the Thompson
That was propaganda meant to keep panic down. Actual reports of weapons testing especially after the war are different
I'm sure soliders on Omaha would disagree
They weren't lying though. You can't hit shit with its 1000rpm+ fire rate. Suppression and area denial sure it's great.
@@patgray5402 That's completely wrong, most machine guns today are built off the MG42. It was an iconic machine gun and ahead of it's time.
Forgotten weapons and Garand thumb both uploading a krummlauf video 17 minutes apart LOL. Time to watch both!
Yeah that was crazy I thought they were going to be in the video together collaborating
@@TheSundayShooter better than the people who talk out of their ass. I don't see a problem with referencing a proper source. The internet is full of so much disinformation these days it is ridiculous...
@@TheSundayShooterCompared to regurgitating something made up? Are you actually complaining that he does research?
Yo I thought I was trippin. Was expecting to see them collaborating. They've had to of done it intentionally
@@bitfreakazoid I was referring to Ian's comment that this is "just a shooting video". Ironic for him to trivialise the demonstration in which a velocity increase was discovered along with stable flight through a medium
_EDIT_ Apologies, I misread Ian's tone! Please disregard the above statement
0:45 Charlie got some goose 🪿 in his step 😂
ERIKA!
@@laurensa.1803bom bom bom 😂
I'm no fan of collectivism although I must say Erica is a banger of a song.
I love how gun jesus gave you a shout out for this on the same day. two of my favorite gun channels in one day.
Yep def not to boost the algo… just a happy coincidence
Who would have thought garand thumb would make such a big contribution to WW2 history!? It's great to actually see firing of this thing documented for future generations
I mean his channel is named after loading a gun from ww2
That's amazing to see an American ending up being able to try the Krummlauf! When i was serving in the Bundeswehr we had 2 Ocassions where we were allowed to shoot certain obscure but also in general historic German Guns hand in hand with the "Museum für historische Wehrtechnik" (basically translates to Museum for historical Military Technology).
And we indeed had a Krummlauf Presentation, sadly none of us, no matter how qualified were allowed to try it out, but instead a retired General who ended up working for the Museum did.
Is it a bonkers Idea and was probably not really useful at all? Definitely. Was it interesting? Hell yeah!
Prost & Cheers from Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
There were version with a 30 degree, 45 degree and 90 degree curves. The 90 degree curved versions were for operation from the hatch of a tank, half track or assault gun.
Yes it was useful if you didn't want to get shot entering a building, firing from a trench or from a hatch of the StuG III as infantry tried to overwhelm the
For 70 years this excellent idea has been ignorantly dismissed as one of Hitlers Crazy Weapons. Hitler had nothing to do with it.
@@williamzk9083I highly recommend watching Forgotten Weapons' most recent video on it. It wasn't Hitler's idea, but it likely never would've made it past the prototype phase without him. What's more, _as proven in this very video,_ it had significant drawbacks that made it nonviable for deployment.
@@williamzk9083 As tempting as the idea is, there was no practical way for it to be used as there was too many drawbacks (as seen in this video). I forget the name of it but Israel has a really nice attempt which is probably the best we'll get for another hundred years or so.
Seeing Charlie goosestepping instantly told me that this video is gonna be a wild one, lol
A "wild goose chase" if you will...
"Why do you have to make it-" *cut* 😂
An actual survivor Krummlauf? That's incredible.
No. It is very clearly not an original.
@AnoneemusNoenamelmao
@@skepticalbadger Judging by everything said in the video and the description it is _heavily_ implied that it is.
Also think logically, do you think there’s still somebody manefacturing these… for the StG-44 of all things? I can’t even find any non-functioning replicas for sale. Also if it were modern GT is always really good about giving credit to whoever made the stuff so in all likelihood it is the real thing.
If you have any counter-evidence, please do share! 😊
A Krummlauf got me a credit on Mythbusters. I took a photo of one at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds museum years ago and they wanted to use the image for Mythbusters' "Shooting around corners" episode.
This is the best gun channel without a doubt. The content this year has been insane! So many things we have never seen in this detail! Thank you so much!
Hey boys when your tool is curved, it makes it easier to hit those important spots. This is an advantage, virgs.
The stg that's spent a good portion of it's life doing (P)orn.
vill you vear wigs?
i spit out my coffee when Mica caught that stray lol
@@thankfullyredeemedmaderigh7436That translated as aids 😂
i dont think boys need to know any of this kind of information......
This one would have been an amazing one to get the Ballistic High Speed guys involved with. Extreme slow motion on the bent barrel would have been fucking sick.
Yeah, really missed opportunity...
Let’s hope the owner is generous enough to allow the BHS guys to put a round or two through it in the name of real information!
Not that I didn’t enjoy this video, but BHS enables us to see things on a totally different level.
It would look like a bullet exiting a barrel. You can thank me later.
agreed, I was thinking about the same thing when he mentioned that the slug would have deformation
Its not many others have done that. It looks like a bullet leaving the barrel.
The original 8mm Kurz were mild steel/iron core projectiles. Which would likely break apart in the Bend much easier than softer lead core projectiles like the modern ammo you’re shooting now.
Thank you! I was going to mention the steel core military ammo vs likely lead core modern ammo which is more malleable and able to bend down the barrel without shattering. Also the military ammo of the time was likely steel jacketed as well so much stiffer which probably helped with the barrel's wearing out so quickly. The soft guilding metal jacket and lead core is going to do a lot less damage to the barrel.
Not to mention they have a 30 degree barrel, the 45 degrees would have chewed them up way worse
@@gavindagawdthey also had 90 degree barrels too
@@spazmonkey2131would you use the 180 degree barrel? 🤔
@@BudgiePanic If I'm defending Berlin from the Red Army, absolutely
This is probably the best video on your channel. An absolute blast and an amazing piece of history.
The fact that you got your hands on a piece of history AND got to shoot it is mindblowing.
Amazing vid as always
GT: “It never went into general production…”
PSA: “Allow us to introduce ourselves…”
Hahahahah
First the fuckers need to release the STG lmao
KelTec enters the room.
Strangely gaps in the rifling matter way less than you would think. It was common in stellite lined machine gun barrels.
I wouldn't expect it to matter at all if it's all the same twist rate.
Leaving one barrel at a set spin rate (twist) and then jumping into another barrel even at the same spin rate without the lands lining up might cause some instability in the bullet but might not have much or any real effect on trajectory or stability.
Or like you know, revolvers cyl gap
@@allthingsconsidered3211 a revolver cylinder is unrifled.. i could be wrong but as far as i'm aware revovler cylinders are smooth, the barrel is rifled.
@@josephxavier1707 true but the concept of pressure blowing by remains the same
“It tilts on an AXIS on your shoulder”
I see what Micah did there 😎😜🤣
I don't think it was intentional.
Jamon! Way too awesome to let us get the chance to see this rifle in use !!!!!!! Way to go PSA guys!!!! So dang awesome to see this in action, actual rounds and get some in depth information on it!!!! Love it
*Jamin
Germans: HANZ GET ZE KRUMMENLAUF, WE GOT COMMIES AROUND THE CORNER
the regular scoped stg is such a vibe
Amazing looking piece
Most beautiful assault rifle ever...
The StG-44 was intended to accept a scope mount. Making it the first designated marksman rifle.
Always good seeing Charles in the video
Reminds me of that line from Porky’s…
‘Have you been f-ing around corners?’
Yes. Yes he has.
Damn...now Ive gotta watch Porkys again.
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking about. Also, every time I pick up a bent screwdriver.
@@jeffblackmon288 Great minds think alike
BAAAAHAHAHA
Been away from the gym for awhile, been building back up to 220 bench did 2 reps, thanks for the dad advice, needed that
Him cracking an egg on a pistol was the most extra thing I've ever seen.
I almost fell over - had no idea he was going to do that. From now on that's how I'm making eggs. I hope my wife and kids are down!
WHOA WHOA WHOA
GARAND THUMB AND FORGOTTEN WEAPONS POST ABOUT THE SAME WEAPON SYSTEM IN THE SAME HOUR
LETS GOOO
Just a FYI, DemoRanch did a whole show about bent barrels. He bent them himself over and over, more and more bent. Was a very interesting video.
Yep and Mythbusters did an entire episode on bending a barrel years before and it's pretty entertaining as well
@@LucasJackson_37 yep and the Germans did it decades before then and that's pretty interesting
They’re called Peyronies barrels
@@RedPillAlwaysyep and before that archers bent arrows and that's pretty interesting
It makes sense, Demo bent a bunch of barrels in crazy ways, most of em worked, but the accuracy and longevity is the key
i remember when he had a whole yard full of piping to send the bullet thrue a rollercoaster
True. Demo deserves a shout out for his awesome science!!
0:03 gdamn that gunshot crack sounds awesome, Hollywood needs to take some sound engineering advice from you guys
What a privilege to be able to actually use a piece of history awesome good job
17:34 - 17:48 - the German gas systems were totally next level
Both were built after the war, too
which gas system?
This one doesn't use wood to seal in the gas
Missed the joke
Yeah the typhus delousing was bitchin'
There’s also a surviving example of this rifle in the private collection of the National Firearms Centre in the UK. I had the pleasure of handling and inspecting it about a decade ago.
The Patton Museum that used to exist at Ft. Knox also had one on display back in the 1990s.
Me too but back in the 80’s when it was in Nottingham very unwieldy as I remember
But did you handle these?
The USA also made an attachment for the “grease gun” to shot around corners. When I was in grammar school in the 1970s I saw it in a book. Also there are attachments that use a camera that accomplishes the same function.
Edit: There is in fact a photo of it in the subreddit r/interestingasfuck . M3 with bent barrel, c.1953.
It also did not work well.
@@bills6093bending gun barrels is not recommended
This is so awesome to watch that thing actually get used! I'm surprised that nobody has replicated it as a novelty item. It would be fun to see a full auto meltdown video with it.
This is wild. Such an incredible piece of history on display. WWI and WWII had some cockamamie ideas for weapon tech.
The breaking up of the bullets was only observed with the higher bend angles (the 90° version for sure). I think the 30° is the only barrel that really didn't fragment.
Can confirm. My piss stream stays solid, and I've got the same angle...
The "Myth Busters" TV show demonstrated how you can progressively bend a barrel all the way to 180 degrees and it still shoots. Yep, they bent a barrel into a U shape so it was actually facing BACK towards the shooter! The bullet only lost about 15 to 20% of its velocity, and IIRC did not break up. I think they cited the German WW2 experiments with the concept. You can find the episode on UA-cam under "busting gun myths" or some similar title.
@@zx7-rr486 They did it wiith a .22lr though, a lot less energy to rip through the barrel or fragment the bullet. Matt from Demoliition Ranch shot a few bullets into bent pipes, it definately works, but the more energy the bullet has the more it will erode the barrel. 8mm Kurz isn't a massively energetic cartridge, but still packs more of a punch than most pistols.
WAIT YOURE TELLING ME FUDD LORE ISNT TRUE?!?
Didn't you see the Mythbusters episode when they replicated the "Fudd theory" .. and they actually kinda manage to do it
@@LucasJackson_37 wait actually? Lol that sounds cool
@@LucasJackson_37 No they didn't
Within a minute of it posted must be a miracle
You better thank baby jebus
Anything STG is a win in my book! Thanks for the video guys.
The music in sync with the gel slow-mo. Chefs kiss.
Only checking in to see what Charles called the Sonoran Desert Institute. This one took the cake. Many thanks.
I think when he said Suspicious Dancing Israelis took the cake
@@pinnaclephotography8535based Charles
Price realized on most of these is about $3000-4000. Absolutely crazy considering these only last for a few hundred rounds. Very cool that we get to see how it functions!
The gun Market is the absolute worst of capitalism
Most people who buy them are collectors, they're not going to use them. There are guns that go for $250,000 that the buyers never intend to fire a single time... It's an awesome piece of gun history.
To be honest I thought they'd fetch more than that.
@@Centermass762 honestly, me too.
1- Congratulations for an excellent video
2- I came here on the recommendation of forgotten weapons
3- The Germans didn't know that to deflect a projectile all you have to do is swing like Angelina Jolie in "Wanted" hahaha
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I can't believe how much I'm learning about the history of guns , even though I've been actively collecting them for around 34 years my knowledge wasn't even nearly where I thought it was. Great video.
That start though lol.
Edit Imagine liking a youtube comment L.
I'm his top guy. He put me in charge of a whole panzer division. I'm jacked
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The STG/MP-44 is one of my favourite WW2 platforms. I heard about the Krummlauf a long time ago, but ite effectiveness was never really explained. Kudos to PSA Arms for allowing this device to be used for this video.
Looks like grand got a one up on brandon Herrera
And I bet Brandon likes it
@@KyleKalevra lol
@@thankfullyredeemedmaderigh7436 now that would be a great cut away gag
I bet let’s go Brandon gets mad just seeing one of these because his fav toy was clearly a rip off of it.
@@30AndHatingIt just aim for the legs with it, c'mon man.
That gun needs to see it's doctor for Peyronie's Disease.
Really should have had Ballistic High Speed come out for this one
Wow! Pretty cool! My Dad mentioned something about a bent barreled rifle once when I was a kid. I just added that to all of the crazy stuff a 19 year old kid saw while being a scout in Patton's Third Army. As I got older, I had seen pictures of this but to finally see it fired and given an explanation of how it was SUPPOSED to work was really interesting. Thanks!!
A Garand thumb AND a forgotten weapons drop at the same time on the same gun!?! Dope 🤙
Them: It's priceless
Me: I'll make that with $20 and a weekend at Lowe's
Love this kind of deep dive into odd weapons, especially these experimental designs. Thanks for the Demo, guys!!!
Absolutely amazing video! I never thought of seeing this device in action. On the other hand, as the thing has a lifetime of around 100 rounds, if I were the owner of it I'm not pretty sure I would have allowed you to use it!
Well, the Germans answered the question “show me the angle of your dangle.”
The angle of the dangle is proportional to the sag of the bag.
The angle of dangle is directly proportional too the heat of the meat.
Average sunday:
Wake up, go to church, then watch Daddy thumb 👍
Fr I just got home from church
As God intended.
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Let's be very real, God doesn't want us focusing on this. He wants us focusing on Him. None of this political stuff pleases Him or amounts to being right with Him. Going to church and watching Garand Thumb isn't necessarily a flex. Just comes off as a sign that yet another Christian has confused being politically active for being a good Christian. Definitely talking about myself too. But let's not pretend Christians today aren't acting totally worldly in the name of politics and then patting themselves on the back for going to church every Sunday. It's not a chad move. Going to church is absolutely the opposite of a chad move. The world will think you're lame if you follow God. If you're making it a chad thing or being percieved as such, it's likely part of your political culture war than true relationship with God. I know for a fact Jesus would lead us to worship HIM and seek Him, not worry so much about politics. The people of His day expected Him to topple the evil Roman empire, that wasn't the plan. Why would He be especially concerned with our politics over our spirituality today. Again, Definitely talking to myself as well. Just really began thinking about this the more I see people talk about going to church as if it's a chad behavior. Made me start thinking about how we're not applying the Word of God to our lives. We're just calling ourselves Christians while being devoted to politics
@@godwarrior3403 tldr
The American reports of it's performance and problems may have actually been of the M3A1Grease Gun variant they made and tested to see if the idea had any merit. The Russians similarly made PPSh-41 variants to test the idea. Forgotten Weapons' new video on this (released same day) has pictures.
I remember watching a military show on this device when i was a kid, they pretty much experienced the same results!
Bro my mind is blown!!! I can't believe we have this video. I'm such a WW2 nerd and man this made my day! That's such an "untouched" area of history and now we have such a high quality video on it, EVEN SHOOTING. That's so fucking cool. Thank you for making such amazing videos man.
This is the gun that started the trend of all our favorite guns that we know today and the guns that are the closest to the MP44 are the prototype MP45, the CETME, and the HK roller delayed guns and the HK33 being the closest to being the candid modernized MP44.
I didn’t expect a slight bend in a stg44 when I loaded UA-cam
It’s insane how smart the Germans were
Bending a barrel? Their tech is way overhyped!
@@KaptajnKaffe lmao
@KaptajnKaffe calm down XD
Desperation is a mother of all inventions.
I'm sure if they just bent it a little more the war would have ended up differently
Garand Thumb in an apron is my favorite Garand Thumb.
2:30 "Free and flowing like pretty much everyone after 1865." You know, I think this Charles character is growing on me.
0:33 "... if only I didn't have to expose myself ..." that won't keep anyone out of court or off a registry.
As far as I’m aware, the weapon was mostly intended for tank crews to fire out of the top of the turret without exposing themselves. Like a really primitive version of a modern CROWS remote turret. I think it was for urban and very close combat where the tank might be getting overwhelmed by enemy infantry, so the accuracy issues wouldn’t matter so much.
No. The 30 degree variant was intended explicitly for infantry use.
The original concept was for an armored vehicle weapon, but was ordered by Hitler for infantry weapons for trenches and foxholes!
Ethan's (Forgotten Weapons) video explains it all very well ..
Edit .. sorry Ian
@@LucasJackson_37 "Ethan"? Trying to avoid to take the name of our Lord and Saviour Gun Jesus in vain?
@@Spurdospaerde692 aww F-, sorry Ian .. braingarble .. my bad too many vidz today
15 shots? 7 more the garand TRULY A WUNDERWAFFE
This is pretty fascinating. I consider myself a WW2 history buff and never knew about this. There is just SO MUCH information concerning that era of weapons development.
Amazing that you were able to get one. Always wondered how well it worked and you have answered that question. Great content!
Saw this on a uk quiz show called "Qi". But I've never seen it fired. Except for Demo ranch and the bent barrels 😂😂
Doodoo Ranch did that back when he was still shooting 500 pudding cups with a 50 cal
Spectacular stuff..I love whatever content you guys put out but this was big fun.
They thought of some wild shit in ww2.
You know the idea probably came from Hitler geeking out and watching Bugs Bunny bend Elmer Fudd’s double barrel right back at his head. He was like, “yyaaa, das iz e guten idea!!!”
Great video guys, very cool to see that actually being fired!
I suddenly want a cooking with Garand Thumb series
They should come out with a pepper grinder that looks like a dynamite plunger!
Wow, my German ancestry is starting to make sense
Come, brother, sit at my table, we will drink and talk of our skills in bent weaponry. Word has reached The Fuhrer of your magnificent bend! 🍺
@@SomaticApparition I’m going to need to plead the fifth on that one
@@SomaticApparition😂😂😂😂😂😂 slight curve...😂😂😂😂
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The OG CORNER SHOT!!
Amazing episode! Wish we could do similar stuff in the UK but our gun laws aren’t fun laws so keep up the great work bringing us these iconic pieces of ww2 kit!
Now for Administrative Results to don his electricians uniform and test it 😂
Big thanks to whoever let you shoot that awesome test and view of history
A flannel daddy video on my birthday? Makes turning 31 a little bit better
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Happy birthday!
If I remember correctly, they also had a 60° and 90° barrel as well, but they were quickly dropped due to breaking far quicker than the 30° and 45° barrels. The 90° was meant for their panzers, and would cause the bullets to break apart, limiting the effective range, but turning it into a pseudo shotgun up close. As far as I know, the 30° and 45° didn't break the bullets apart, im not sure about the 60° though.
Hey dad, is this also why MY barrel is bent?
the last time I saw this thing was on military channel. I never thought I would see it be fired ever. This was so cool !
garand thumb is ALWAYS bringing the absolutely coolest and most unique things on this channel! man, every time i watch a vid, im an even bigger fan than before. i dont know of any other people putting out such cool content and getting their hands on items like this. thanks again, this is awesome
Absolutely did NOT expect to see this on the channel. Thanks for making this historic video! These are the crazy things I could only read about in the obscure books on weapons development I collected as a kid.
Look. When it comes to engineering. The Germans don't mess around. They mean business every time.
The amazing thing is, by that point they were losing the war, yet they came up with all kinds of bizarre ideas that made very little sense in a practical world, cost them tons of money and research time, and took their scientists away from actual weapons and ideas that might have helped them.
It was like we had OSS agents in the top of their research bureaus sabotaging their efforts. I have to say, Good Job Wild Bill!!!
@@jefferydraper4019 The British SOE were planning to parachute a sniper team into Bavaria to take everyone's favorite Austrian painter. The mission was scrubbed since there was a risk that the Germans would put someone competent in charge to fill the vacancy in the Reich Chancellor's office. "Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake."
They got a scrap barrel and bent it and you guys are jizzing your pant over it cos its german lol.
@@KingDick-no2xs And the video here proves it is effective in urban combat. No other country devised such a thing. So you're just admitting to being ignorant.
@@KingDick-no2xs The last 300 years -> 80% of all new inventions, computers, otto/diesel fuel engine, rocket fuel + rocket science etc. are all invented by germans. They are kings of engineering.
At 8:36 The projectile could be faster in the Krummlauf because there is a effect in usage where the projectile gets squeezed and therefore gets faster (Squeeze bore guns have that, like on the Panther 7,5cm gun) The effect is called the "Gerlich principle", would be my guess
Edit maybe you can get hand on one of these Squeeze bore guns, they are also pretty rare, but the projectiles are mostly very special in its apperance
The actual squeezing isn't what makes the projectile faster. It's the fact that the barrel has a larger volume, allowing the expanding propellant to do more work on the projectile. It's similar effect to increasing barrel length.
the Panther also didn't have a squeeze bore gun , the Germans did make a 7.5cm squeeze bore anti tank gun though
Charles is my favorite part of your vids at this point. Best humor..
Might break the internet with this one, well done boys! I only saw one of these fired once and it was in black and white. I believe the 90 degree barrel caused the bullets to break up, not the 30 degree. The 90 created a shotgun affect to which they could clear attacking soldiers on and around the tank. Most interesting part of this video was the increased velocity. Should have shared more of those numbers. Awesome video, thanks to all who were evolved!