I love seeing O'brian thinking about Cal at the end of The Babysitter, you can tell he's realizing how much of an impact she ended up having on his life just to immediately be gone forever.
That ancient city is actually human. They abandoned it long ago. The ODST named Dutch in this short is the same Dutch from Halo 3 ODST. The ODSTs hate the Spartans for a few reasons. One is the fact that they feel like the Spartans stole their thunder making them the second best but the other has to do with Chief. When Chief was younger he got into a fight with a group of ODSTs and ended up accidentally paralyzing them and I think some died. That part is in The Fall of Reach. The ODSTs hated that they became second best, they felt the Spartans were undisciplined because of the Chief incident, and they hated the fact that they were being outdone by people who were younger than them. Over time the Spartans earned their praise and by the end of the war the ODSTs respect the Spartans and in a way feel like they are kinda the same though still different.
Oh interesting, I assumed it was Forerunner since in the briefing at 5:12 they mentioned it not being Covenant nor Human. Pretty cool that this is the same Dutch from Halo 3 ODST, I did not know that!
@@x2zchat Yeah, at this point in the war humanity had no idea what they were looking at. They were still trying to come to grips with just understanding the Covenant's history and culture, and the handful of Forerunner artifacts that had been found were so few and far between that ONI had no idea what they were looking at. The Forerunners hadn't even been conceived of by this point by the UNSC, which was why the ruins were such a big deal. And no one would become aware of ancient humanity (outside of Truth, Mercy, Regret, Mendicant Bias and the other Monitors) until well after 2553 and the war's end.
@@slate8409 I don't recall ever seeing any of the Prophets being aware of ANCIENT Humanity and their role. Only that the Reliquaries listed modern humans as Reclaimers (mistranslated as Reclamation) and their very existence would shatter their religion/seat of power if the truth was revealed. The Forerunners were very thorough in wiping out traces of Ancient Humanity where they could (especially after defeating and de-evolving them to more primitive states and confining them to Earth), though a rare few did survive to be rediscovered by modern humans. I've read and reread the majority of the books dozens of times over (stopped after the absolute drivel that Karen Traviss was writing), but its been years and I easily could've forgotten it.
You know how Covenant call Spartan-IIs Demons because of their inhuman strength, speed and agility. They also ODSTS Imps which is a lower class of demon. Because ODSTS are the Elite of what a normal human soldier can be they are like basically the SAS/Navy Seals of the UNSC. Because when ODSTS are working as a team thats when they are most dangerous.
It's been suggested the city in the episode is ancient human, like from before the firing of Halo, a sort of temple world. If you look closely you can see Chinese, Mayan, Japanese, Assyrian, Greek, hindu and numerous other styles of ancient architecture strewn around the place. I think I was one of the earlier people that noticed it, everyone always said it was just a lazy job or a mistranslation that ended up with them choosing ancient japanese structures, but its deliberately varied.
I'm pretty certain it came from the time when humanity and the forerunners were meant to be the same species before that was retconned to us being sibling species.
When we play as Chief, that is already near the end of the war after years of conflict. That's why the ODSTs are cool with him. In the earlier times of the war though, this grumpy attitude is pretty common between the two groups, mostly from ODST side. From their view, it does make sense though. Imagine going through such intense training to become tge peak of what human can do, only to become second fiddle to the seemingly robotic soldiers that does everything better than you.
Some people think O'Brien is the same O'Brien as the one who dies at A Day At The Beach from Halo 2 while forgetting there have been atleast two other O.D.S.T.s named O'Brien.
The worst part about this is Cal was most likely younger than O'Brien was when she died considering the version of Mjolnir she's wearing is the first set of MKIV that got issued out to the Spartans.
Ya ODSTs being the Navy Seals of the Halo universe, they really disliked that the Spartans showing up and taking all the glory. Because to them the Spartans didn't earn the title of being the best, they got it through augmentations and gear. Where as the ODSTs had to go through intense training and have no augmentations and no special gear. I don't know how deep your getting into Halo but it goes way beyond the games, the book series covers the entire story. I don't want to spoil anything if you are doing a deep dive into Halo, but I will say what the Spartan IIs went through was indeed extreme hell. And that was classified until very late into the story. I think it was first brought up in the games on Halo 4, but I can't remember how detailed the game got, when explaining how the Spartan IIs were created. Halo's story is insane, I can't recommend the books enough. For anyone who has just played the games and watched the different halo series, except for the newest Netflix show. Which I think most Halo fans can agree doesn't actually exist and was just a bad nightmare. Check out the book series its 100% worth it.
Watch the (Mona Lisa) and the (Heart of the Midlothian) for Halo spinoffs, both are animated comics, very well done official halo media. And (Halo Headhunters). Also animated.
This is definitely my favorite episode too. The ODST (Orbital Drop Shock Troopers) are supposed to be the cream of the crop, the best Humanity has to offer without all those augmentations, gene therapy and surgeries. I believe they also have a 90% casualty rate since their missions were so dangerous. "Your job isn't to jump feet first into hell. It's to make sure it's crowded when you get there!" If you haven't already I recommend watching the fan made short film "Halo ODST: Operation Whiteout" It's almost 3 minutes long, but it's pretty cool nonetheless.
Gonna go a little bit deep with the lore here. There are fan theories that the ruins on that planet are actually not forerunner made. But are, in fact, made by humans. But not our generation. Let's say that our generation is generation 2. And 100,000 years ago, humanity (generation 1) was spacefairing and ran from the Flood, went to war with the Forerunners. The theory goes that the ruins in this episode were made by generation 1 long before they became spacefairing. The issue with this theory, though, is that Halo Legends was made in 2009. Ancient humans that went to war with Forerunners wasn't even a thing written in any halo media yet. So the theory is highly unlikely, but still interesting to think about.
Timing does absolutely nothing to make it unlikely. A LOT of modern Halo lore was already coming into form around this time, post Halo 3 - I mean, Legends itself had a massive effect on future lore. The Forerunner Trilogy, for example, was announced in..... DADADADAAAAAA 2009. And SO MUCH LORE in Halo is future writers coming back and expanding on old ideas. Just look at Prototype - it connects to fucking EVERYTHING in some tangential way. Midlothian, Cyclops/Mantis, Spartan Ops, THE DAMNED BANISHED. Something being old doesn't hold any weight on discussions of its conicity unless it's explicitly contradicted later.
Prototype suit actually doesn’t even begin to come close to a Spartan in terms of pure strength and speed - only advantages it really gets are flight and raw firepower due to integrated weapons. It should be telling that the more advanced Mantis mechs were mass produced by the UNSC while MJOLNIR was so costly that a single suit had the same approximate credit value as an entire frigate. The thing about the Prototype was that it was designed for normal human use, and the strength it added was a straight lift value. No more, no less. MJOLNIR, by comparison, was a MULTIPLIER. It took the Spartans’ already inhuman strength, speed and reaction time and - at least for Mark IV which you see here - doubled it. Mark V would go on to be a times five multiplier, I believe, and Mark VI slightly stronger than that with the trend continuing all the way through GEN2 and later GEN3. MJOLNIR isn’t as flashy as the Prototype suit… but when you look at the combat records for the Spartan IIIs who were largely inferior to the IIs due to greater genetic diversity (save for the rare CAT2 IIIs like Noble Six who were actually better on average due to the more advanced augmentations)? Outside of TORPEDO and PROMETHEUS they had completed entire tours without single injuries or casualties while not having MJOLNIR available to them. That multiplier to base effectiveness is no joke when that’s what you’re starting with.
To be fair. MJOLNIR got cheaper to produce too. That cost of one starship for a single suit of armor was from early in the Covenant War. Afterall, they have hundreds of suits in the post-war era. If they retained that same cost, then it would have been impossible to make that many that quickly.
@@AlphaWolfShade That's purely down to it being the GEN2 design, which cut a lot of corners. GEN1 MJOLNIR was ruinously expensive in part because of the quality in each suit. GEN2 was significantly cheaper due to three things. First, advancements in production, which is what you're talking about. However, the other things they did actively hurt the armor because they both made it modular which cut down on the amount of armor plating used and used far, far lower quality materials to cut down on weight and cost. GEN2 MJOLNIR relied almost entirely on the armor's shielding for protection which was - at best - equivalent to the Mark VII's shields since that armor was used as the baseline for both GEN2 and GEN3. This was explicitly noted in lore regarding the GEN3 armor when Halsey came back to the UNSC following the Created Uprising. She *hated* the fact that GEN2 armor sacrificed the user's safety for the sake of cutting production costs, and since the UNSC had bigger problems than worrying about money they began focusing again on keeping the relatively few Spartans they had left both alive and using the absolute best quality of gear that could be provided.
Most of the odst and army and marines etc hated the spartans because they were seen as robotic war tools then actual humans and since the odst are supposed to be the best of the best then the spartans come alone that created a heated rivalry between the 2
I love seeing O'brian thinking about Cal at the end of The Babysitter, you can tell he's realizing how much of an impact she ended up having on his life just to immediately be gone forever.
That ancient city is actually human. They abandoned it long ago. The ODST named Dutch in this short is the same Dutch from Halo 3 ODST. The ODSTs hate the Spartans for a few reasons. One is the fact that they feel like the Spartans stole their thunder making them the second best but the other has to do with Chief. When Chief was younger he got into a fight with a group of ODSTs and ended up accidentally paralyzing them and I think some died. That part is in The Fall of Reach. The ODSTs hated that they became second best, they felt the Spartans were undisciplined because of the Chief incident, and they hated the fact that they were being outdone by people who were younger than them. Over time the Spartans earned their praise and by the end of the war the ODSTs respect the Spartans and in a way feel like they are kinda the same though still different.
If my memory serves me correct it was ancient human architecture so yeah abandoned long long ago
Oh interesting, I assumed it was Forerunner since in the briefing at 5:12 they mentioned it not being Covenant nor Human. Pretty cool that this is the same Dutch from Halo 3 ODST, I did not know that!
@@x2zchat Yeah, at this point in the war humanity had no idea what they were looking at. They were still trying to come to grips with just understanding the Covenant's history and culture, and the handful of Forerunner artifacts that had been found were so few and far between that ONI had no idea what they were looking at.
The Forerunners hadn't even been conceived of by this point by the UNSC, which was why the ruins were such a big deal. And no one would become aware of ancient humanity (outside of Truth, Mercy, Regret, Mendicant Bias and the other Monitors) until well after 2553 and the war's end.
@@slate8409 I don't recall ever seeing any of the Prophets being aware of ANCIENT Humanity and their role. Only that the Reliquaries listed modern humans as Reclaimers (mistranslated as Reclamation) and their very existence would shatter their religion/seat of power if the truth was revealed. The Forerunners were very thorough in wiping out traces of Ancient Humanity where they could (especially after defeating and de-evolving them to more primitive states and confining them to Earth), though a rare few did survive to be rediscovered by modern humans. I've read and reread the majority of the books dozens of times over (stopped after the absolute drivel that Karen Traviss was writing), but its been years and I easily could've forgotten it.
@@mason0855 Really? Cool.
You know how Covenant call Spartan-IIs Demons because of their inhuman strength, speed and agility.
They also ODSTS Imps which is a lower class of demon. Because ODSTS are the Elite of what a normal human soldier can be they are like basically the SAS/Navy Seals of the UNSC.
Because when ODSTS are working as a team thats when they are most dangerous.
It's been suggested the city in the episode is ancient human, like from before the firing of Halo, a sort of temple world. If you look closely you can see Chinese, Mayan, Japanese, Assyrian, Greek, hindu and numerous other styles of ancient architecture strewn around the place.
I think I was one of the earlier people that noticed it, everyone always said it was just a lazy job or a mistranslation that ended up with them choosing ancient japanese structures, but its deliberately varied.
I'm pretty certain it came from the time when humanity and the forerunners were meant to be the same species before that was retconned to us being sibling species.
When we play as Chief, that is already near the end of the war after years of conflict. That's why the ODSTs are cool with him.
In the earlier times of the war though, this grumpy attitude is pretty common between the two groups, mostly from ODST side.
From their view, it does make sense though. Imagine going through such intense training to become tge peak of what human can do, only to become second fiddle to the seemingly robotic soldiers that does everything better than you.
Don't forget that John 117 killed 2 ODSTs and the others 3 severely injured during training.
I don't quite recall, but I'm fairly sure that one of those ODSTs is in Halo 3: ODST. The one in question is Dutch, I think.
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@@PINEAPPLEPINEAPPLE. I couldn't agree more.
Some people think O'Brien is the same O'Brien as the one who dies at A Day At The Beach from Halo 2 while forgetting there have been atleast two other O.D.S.T.s named O'Brien.
The worst part about this is Cal was most likely younger than O'Brien was when she died considering the version of Mjolnir she's wearing is the first set of MKIV that got issued out to the Spartans.
Ya ODSTs being the Navy Seals of the Halo universe, they really disliked that the Spartans showing up and taking all the glory. Because to them the Spartans didn't earn the title of being the best, they got it through augmentations and gear. Where as the ODSTs had to go through intense training and have no augmentations and no special gear. I don't know how deep your getting into Halo but it goes way beyond the games, the book series covers the entire story. I don't want to spoil anything if you are doing a deep dive into Halo, but I will say what the Spartan IIs went through was indeed extreme hell. And that was classified until very late into the story. I think it was first brought up in the games on Halo 4, but I can't remember how detailed the game got, when explaining how the Spartan IIs were created. Halo's story is insane, I can't recommend the books enough. For anyone who has just played the games and watched the different halo series, except for the newest Netflix show. Which I think most Halo fans can agree doesn't actually exist and was just a bad nightmare. Check out the book series its 100% worth it.
You mean the paramount tv show doesn't exist.
Watch the (Mona Lisa) and the (Heart of the Midlothian) for Halo spinoffs, both are animated comics, very well done official halo media. And (Halo Headhunters). Also animated.
This is definitely my favorite episode too.
The ODST (Orbital Drop Shock Troopers) are supposed to be the cream of the crop, the best Humanity has to offer without all those augmentations, gene therapy and surgeries.
I believe they also have a 90% casualty rate since their missions were so dangerous. "Your job isn't to jump feet first into hell. It's to make sure it's crowded when you get there!"
If you haven't already I recommend watching the fan made short film "Halo ODST: Operation Whiteout" It's almost 3 minutes long, but it's pretty cool nonetheless.
Gonna go a little bit deep with the lore here.
There are fan theories that the ruins on that planet are actually not forerunner made. But are, in fact, made by humans. But not our generation. Let's say that our generation is generation 2. And 100,000 years ago, humanity (generation 1) was spacefairing and ran from the Flood, went to war with the Forerunners. The theory goes that the ruins in this episode were made by generation 1 long before they became spacefairing.
The issue with this theory, though, is that Halo Legends was made in 2009. Ancient humans that went to war with Forerunners wasn't even a thing written in any halo media yet. So the theory is highly unlikely, but still interesting to think about.
Timing does absolutely nothing to make it unlikely.
A LOT of modern Halo lore was already coming into form around this time, post Halo 3 - I mean, Legends itself had a massive effect on future lore. The Forerunner Trilogy, for example, was announced in..... DADADADAAAAAA 2009.
And SO MUCH LORE in Halo is future writers coming back and expanding on old ideas. Just look at Prototype - it connects to fucking EVERYTHING in some tangential way. Midlothian, Cyclops/Mantis, Spartan Ops, THE DAMNED BANISHED.
Something being old doesn't hold any weight on discussions of its conicity unless it's explicitly contradicted later.
Originally Bungie’s intent was for the forerunners to be ancient evolved humans but I think around Reach they started to move away from that.
They had set up us being separate from the Forerunners at this point.
Prototype suit actually doesn’t even begin to come close to a Spartan in terms of pure strength and speed - only advantages it really gets are flight and raw firepower due to integrated weapons. It should be telling that the more advanced Mantis mechs were mass produced by the UNSC while MJOLNIR was so costly that a single suit had the same approximate credit value as an entire frigate.
The thing about the Prototype was that it was designed for normal human use, and the strength it added was a straight lift value. No more, no less. MJOLNIR, by comparison, was a MULTIPLIER. It took the Spartans’ already inhuman strength, speed and reaction time and - at least for Mark IV which you see here - doubled it. Mark V would go on to be a times five multiplier, I believe, and Mark VI slightly stronger than that with the trend continuing all the way through GEN2 and later GEN3.
MJOLNIR isn’t as flashy as the Prototype suit… but when you look at the combat records for the Spartan IIIs who were largely inferior to the IIs due to greater genetic diversity (save for the rare CAT2 IIIs like Noble Six who were actually better on average due to the more advanced augmentations)? Outside of TORPEDO and PROMETHEUS they had completed entire tours without single injuries or casualties while not having MJOLNIR available to them.
That multiplier to base effectiveness is no joke when that’s what you’re starting with.
To be fair. MJOLNIR got cheaper to produce too. That cost of one starship for a single suit of armor was from early in the Covenant War. Afterall, they have hundreds of suits in the post-war era. If they retained that same cost, then it would have been impossible to make that many that quickly.
@@AlphaWolfShade That's purely down to it being the GEN2 design, which cut a lot of corners. GEN1 MJOLNIR was ruinously expensive in part because of the quality in each suit. GEN2 was significantly cheaper due to three things.
First, advancements in production, which is what you're talking about. However, the other things they did actively hurt the armor because they both made it modular which cut down on the amount of armor plating used and used far, far lower quality materials to cut down on weight and cost. GEN2 MJOLNIR relied almost entirely on the armor's shielding for protection which was - at best - equivalent to the Mark VII's shields since that armor was used as the baseline for both GEN2 and GEN3.
This was explicitly noted in lore regarding the GEN3 armor when Halsey came back to the UNSC following the Created Uprising. She *hated* the fact that GEN2 armor sacrificed the user's safety for the sake of cutting production costs, and since the UNSC had bigger problems than worrying about money they began focusing again on keeping the relatively few Spartans they had left both alive and using the absolute best quality of gear that could be provided.
Wait, is that the same Dutch from the ODST game?
Yes, and while it has never been confirmed it's possible that O'brien is the same one from halo 2 day at the beach.
Most of the odst and army and marines etc hated the spartans because they were seen as robotic war tools then actual humans and since the odst are supposed to be the best of the best then the spartans come alone that created a heated rivalry between the 2
Odst's hates Spartans because chief screwed up a few odsts and Spartans basically get the credit for everything