Drum Teacher Reacts: VINNY APPICE | Black Sabbath - 'Falling Off the Edge of the World'
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Yes! For groove: Slippin Away. For epic: Sign of the Southern Cross.
For depressing: Over and Over. This album has everything 😅
Andrew, if you liked “Falling off the edge of the world” please have a listen to “The sign of the southern cross” off of the same album “Mob Rules” Vinny’s drumming is sensational!👍
Such a tight band. This is the lineup that reunited for 1992's "Dehumanizer" album (my favourite Dio-Sabbath album), and then in the 2000s got back together under the Heaven & Hell moniker, staking their claim as a separate band from Black Sabbath. Everything they did was killer, including their 2009 album "The Devil You Know", which was Dio's last studio appearance before his death in 2010.
About Vinny Appice, what I love about him is that he brings a minimalist approach to heavy metal drumming, completely devoid of ego. He's perfectly content to lay down a straight 4 groove for days, and throw in just the right accents at just the right time to catch what the band is doing around him. He's a great example of someone who has loads of facility on the drums but isn't trying to force it in anywhere. Whatever the song needs, that's what he plays. The Ringo Starr of heavy metal.
Exactly, Appice plays for the song, giving it what it needs, and never overplays.
This album is one of the most underestimated record ever made !!!
Martin Birch is the reason why the album sounds so clean....amazing work. Love these Dio Sabbath albums. "Sign of the Southern Cross" is another outstanding song.
Martin Birch is a legend (RIP) all those Deep purple, Rainbow, Black Sabbath, Whitesnake, Iron Maiden etc albums that he engineered/mixed/produced and made sound so great, just wow !!
Interesting that Heaven and Hell soumds very different even though it is also a Martin Birch production.
100% agree Martin Birch the best rock producer ever
@@wernermoritz882I feel all the Maiden Albums Martin Birch did have their own individual sound… what a great producer. Engineered some of the early Fleetwood Mac, who knew!!
Martin Birch is more than a legend👑👑👑
Ok now you HAVE TO do SIGN OF THE SOUTHERN CROSS, off of the same album. The Apice brothers rule, Vinny is one of my favourite all time drummers.
Produced by Martin Birch. The same guy who produced Rainbow, Deep Purple, & Iron Maiden.
When Bruce Dickinson joined Iron Maiden he said he’s been listening to Heaven & Hell on repeat, & was “suffering from an extreme case of Black Sabbath-itis”
Birch also produced Blue Oyster Cult. "I put my pants on just like the rest of you, one leg at a time. Except, once my pants are on, I make gold records!"
Martin Birch should be in the RR HoF!
One of my favorite Dio-Era songs, when the main heavy riff comes in I basically lose my shit every time, never gets old!
I'm always a sucker for songs that start out slow and then kick things into high gear, and this is one of the best of them.
And when Dio comes in with "NEVAH! NYO NEVAH AGAIN . . ." I'm like all "Yes sir! Right away sir!" So much conviction in that voice! And I've always said Sabbath was Iommi and whoever else is in the band, but I can't deny Dio's delivery is as great as the riff.
The Sign of the Southern Cross from this album is my favourite Sabbath song. What an album. If prefer this over H&H
Yep. I get a little embarrassed playing 99% of metal after Mob Rules..
Amen to both points. The production on this album is better than Heaven and Hell. Imagine how good H&H would be if the production was the same even though Martin Birch was the producer for both.
One of greatest album ever....
The Mob Rules album is criminally underrated. Great song.
Post Ozzy era has a great amount of tasty stuff. Try the track Anno Mundi from 1990's album Tyr. Featuring Cozy Powell from Rainbow on drums. Neil Murray from Whitesnake on bass, and Tony Martin on vocals.
Cozy is a beast, my favorite drummer.
I produce hard rock and Mob Rules is my 2nd favourite Sabbath album - in terms of production.
They sure had some bad moments... They got very sloppy in places and very insecure in the mid-later 80s and onwards.
Underrated by whom? Not us Black Sabbath fans. People that use the term "underrated" are not musicians from what I gather or at the very least, casual listeners of music in general.
No one mentioned that Vinny is Carmen Appice 's brother ! Legendary drummers❤
I saw Carmine in Blue Murder with John Sykes on guitar and Tony Franklin on bass, killer band, try Valley of the Kings, that song & video are killer, great band!
They may be brothers but they pronounce their surname differently, ha ha.
@@vicprovost2561 killer 3 piece...sykes is one bad ass
,.... DEAR SUSAN! IT'S C A R M I N E 😊😊! BERNIE GERMANY 😊❤
Vinny was an emergency addition to the band he came through like a champion. A lovely fellow and still a great drummer.
Try headless cross also. Not a lot of ppl know about it but it’s a hidden gem for sure
Not a bad note on it.
Sign of the Southern Cross is what blew me away back in 81
You mentioned this sounds more like Iron Maiden than it does like Black Sabbath. And you're not wrong, but it's worth mentioning that Iron Maiden did not yet sound like this when Mob Rules came out.
The Mob Rules album does everything that was great about the popular metal of the mid-80s, without any of the radio-friendly compromises.
Great song on a great album. Part of the reason it might sound a little bit Maiden-ish is that it was produced by the late, great Martin Birch, who produced all of Maiden’s albums from “Killers” through “Fear of the Dark”. He’d also worked on all the Dio era Rainbow albums, among others.
My all-time favorite album!
Thanks for reacting to this song, one of my favorite Sabbath songs. I saw Black Sabbath on this tour in 1982 and saw their last tour with Dio in 2007. Dio was 64 in 2007 and knew he was dying from stomach cancer, but he sounded as good as ever. He died 3 years later at the age of 67.
This sounds amazing because it was produced by Martin Birch, who's of course best known for producing all the great 80s Iron Maiden albums. Anyway: listen to "Sign Of The Southern Cross" from this record. Doesn't get any heavier.
It's weird - I love Ozzy's solo stuff, but if I want to listen to Sabbath, it's the first two DIO lead albums I go to - Heaven and Hell, and Mob Rules are absolute classics. Yes, their sound evolved when RJD joined, and I love those albums.
Headless Cross Album with Cozy Powell is another Era of Sabbath that you should checkout
Hell yeah.
Excellent as always, Andrew! I love this album. Tony Iommi (especially when accompanied by the greatest bass player ever, Geezer) is a creative once in a hundred years genius. As you noticed, with your examples of later Metallica and Iron Maiden, as Rob Zombie famously said, "Every cool riff has already been written by Black Sabbath. Anything everyone else does is just basically ripping it off. You're either playing it faster or slower or backwards, but they wrote it first." And, "Everybody knows that Black Sabbath started everything and almost every single thing that people are playing today has already been done by Black Sabbath." Lars Ulrich: "If there was no Black Sabbath, I could still possibly be a morning newspaper delivery boy. No fun." Rob Halford of Judas Priest: "To me, Sabbath are in the same league as the Beatles or Mozart. They're on the leading edge of something extraordinary." Dave Grohl: "I love Black Sabbath. They made an amazing contribution to music today. Almost every band that made it big in the Nineties owed a debt to them." Henry Rollins of Black Flagg: "Black Sabbath - one of the world's universal language of music. I felt proud, for three or four minutes of my life combining my voice with Tony Iommi's guitar sound." Geezer Butler: "During our first meeting, Tony Iommi was a great jazz guitarist, his capabilities cover all styles - Black Sabbath has even narrowed his horizons."
In that same speech, Lars also said "the heavy metal genre might as well be subtitled 'music derivative of BLACK SABBATH.'" Peace.
@@kdbadk 👍 And yet they (other than Ozzy because of a TV show) never got anywhere near the credit they deserved because of bad unfair snob reviews and no radio play, as if Zeppelin was the only thing out there.
Love vinnie. I met him and the rest of the Dio band back in 96. Very nice guy as well as Dio. And I have all of their autographs!
The whole album is amazing.
In his work with Both Black Sabbath and Dio, Vinny has a really unique and unusual feel where a lot of the time it feels like he's dragging and going to fall off the beat. But he never does. I haven't noticed too many other drummers doing that and it really adds a nice push and pull to the pace of the songs.
Was just about to write the same thing. Allways in the pocket when needed
I saw this tour in San Diego when I was 17. Great album! " Country Girl," "Slipping Away" and "Mob Rules" are also great tracks. I really enjoy your channel.
Likewise! I was also 17 but saw them in Philadelphia at the Spectrum. It was a religious experience 😄
Dont 4get Over and Over... Tonys lead playing at the end is some of his best of all time.
You're getting a crash course in Sabbath. It took me 20 years to take it all in, and You're experiencing the evolution in less than a year? Maybe two? Continue enjoying the Black Sabbath through the Tony Martin vocals era. You will not be disappointed!!
This song rips. Glad you enjoyed it!
Vinny is such an underrated drummer!
He plays exactly what the song needs no more no less. Tasteful as f^ck!
I remember the roar when this song was played at the Newcastle, Australia gig when Heaven and Hell toured here back in 2007. Vinny was amazing on this one. Didn't get to meet him, sadly, but his drum tech was a nice guy who I chatted to at the merch stall. You could feel the force of the kick drum hitting you in the chest from where I was seated - absolute wall of sound. Amazing.
Andrew, this is literally the rollercoaster affect. That slow climb to the top and then the release into the actual ride, and then the sudden stop. Excellent!
Like I told you before, it'll be a long time before you run out of awesome Sabbath to react to. \m/ \m/
I commented this on the High on Fire reaction you did yesterday (?): Iommi never runs out of great riffs! Time to check out 'When Death Calls' or 'Headless Cross' from Headless Cross album!
Finally! Vinny is such a great drummer!
One of the hardest songs ever done by "sabbath" was "zero the hero" featuring Ian gillum as vocalist. From the "born again" album.
Completely agree Marcus. Although Ozzy is the original and best for me, that track with Gillan is incredible. Nasty, sinister and with a kick ass groove. A throwback to Sabbath early years. One of Iommi’s greatest riffs.
Ian Gillum did just one album with Sabbath and also had his own band Gillum.
Awesome song, I saw those guys in Worcester MA in 1983, 6th row, was cool hearing Gillian sing War Pigs and Iommi riff on Smoke on the Water. Memories of a lifetime!
Great album! Ian sounded like the devil himself on Disturbing the Priest. 🤘
You mean heaviest
Best Sabbath song
Saw them on this tour and those drums just about ran us out of the arena! Vinny is just a powerhouse behind the kit.
As someone whom grew up with these band splits and rebuilds, I think everyone held their breath when Sabbath and Ozzy went their own ways. Sabbath IS an older band that did an amazing job at remaining relative. They survived long enough to be in direct 'competition' with many musicians they helped to influence. Not only did they have a legacy at this point, but were obviously not done writing music. Given all this I'll say once Dio left things were never the same and it's only in those special concert appearance where the 'glory' days are revisited that Sabbath shines like in the days of old.
Dio, like Ozzy, used his new credentials as a Sabbath alumni along with his Rainbow experience to gather a group of outstanding musicians around himself and his solo work is AAA.
Great reaction/analysis. Thanks Andrew.
Hes excellent. Down to earth , funny. And focuses more on the music in general not just the drums.
Check out live videos of this lineup in 2009, shortly before Dio passed. They went by the name Heaven and Hell then as the original Sabbath had reunited.
Should have never renamed it. They did, but I never call them by the rename.
Definitely. The 2007 from Radio City in New York is an awesome live performance.
@@markb.8756 yes it is but I prefer the 2009 Waken Open Air performance.
@@rickandgen l hear you. Didn't they play Time Machine on that tour?
Someone mentioned 'Time Machine' ...What a killer song!! The 'Wayne's World version' is the best (on the Dehumanizer '92 album re-releases)
Martin Birch was the man behind the production of this album. He is the same producer Iron Maiden had in the eighties so that comparision make sence.
Great version of the band, Ronnie and Vinnie re-energized Tony and Geezer and they did get together several times to add their great legacy to the Black Sabbath saga. Nice that you are looking at them, I've found their performance of Heaven and Hell at Wakken to be the band's best live clip, though some prefer Dio during earlier tours, he is still great but the band is on fire, Iommi gives one of his very best heavy blues, improv jam solos that only he can conjure up. That show is goosebumps inducing, you need to see and hear the magnificence these guys are putting out. You can tell the crowd is in awe! Enjoy. 🎵🎸🎤🎹🎶
Vin is a good acquaintance of mine. I see him (and Carmine) often where I do marketing and promotions. Gave me a few lessons. He is such a great teacher. I love his style, and I've adopted it in my playing. He even taught my son how to do the 🤘 sign. Got photos of it.
Check out LAST IN LINE, the band. They are ready to drop their 3rd full length album. Band consists of him, original DIO guitarist Vivian Campbell, former Ozzy bSsist Phil Sausson, and vocalist Andrew Freeman. Check them out!
Geezer simply drives this song along!
🎉Vinny!!!🎉
And Dio is God 🤘
Must hear more songs Sign of the southern cross,children of the sea...
Vinny Appice!
My biggest influnce and favorite drummer!
His playing is so powerful and combined with the groove, drag and hard hitting clean triplets.
Well its an combination that makes him one of the best!
One thing that I dont hear a lot of people talk about is his grip. Not only does he play with the other end of the stick but also he holds the right stick inbeatween his index and middle finger.
He got it from his older brother.
He truly is the rockingmachine as Dio used to call him🤘
Yup this is tremendous
Ron here from Nova Scotia Canada, Digging all your Black Sabbath reviews. Now that you've got your taste of Dio and his potential, now it's time to see where he came from. Dig into a little ELF pic one of these three little Dio diddies.
Carolina County Ball, Trying to burn the sun or Streetwalker. You can hear the powerhouse potential in Dio in these songs. Not long after these songs he was working is craft with Ritchie Blackmores Rainbow.
Cheers Andy. Keep digging the Sabbath, your 1/2 way thru.
💯🙏
I highly suggest Voodoo not the album version but the one they have on the live album called live evil! Vinny's drumming is insane on that. You will absolutely love it!
Martin Birch. That’s the step up.
He produced and engineering some of the greatest albums in metal history. Sadly, he died 2 years ago.
Eleven Deep Purple albums, five Rainbow, eight Whitesnake, two Black Sabbath (the two original Dio albums), ten Iron Maiden, not to mention his Fleetwood Mac catalogue, and miscellaneous other artists. He was a genius in the recording studio.
Of these albums, the following are legendary.
Deep Purple: Fireball and Machine Head
Rainbow: Rising
Black Sabbath: Heaven & Hell and Mob Rules
Iron Maiden: Killers, Number of the Beast, Piece of Mind, Powerslave
In recent years I’ve started to believe that this was no coincidence, and that he was actually responsible for driving these hugely talented bands to produce their career masterpieces.
RIP the Headmaster.
to hear this one live and that ending! yes they were THAT tight LIVE!!!
Vinny is awesome saw them on heaven and hell and mob rules tour
I haven't heard this song in a long time thank you for reacting❤
And right from the start, as soon as Geezer touches the strings you know it's a good one . . .
Appice allways plays so great! Really makees the songs heavy!
On one Festival here on my city, Monterrey Metal Fest maybe 2005? Playin Quiet Riot, Dokken, Shaman, Mago de Oz, Twisted Sister etc...and Dio, Mick "Wild" Brown one of the best drummers of 80s and Dokken's drum signed my cds...and when he's look the "Mob Rules" he's tell me: "This is the all time favourite album by a heavy metal drummer...the perfect sound of a drums".
The sludge tone in this song is epic.
Thanks for your reaction and insights!! Youd get a real kick out of the 2010 live version of this song! Same drummer, and he crushes it!!! Massive !!! Peace
Hail to the Godfather of Heavy Metal
Totally excellent tune. I hope someone will request Zero the Hero. If not, I will eventually. Lol
Dio - Straight Through the Heart.
Vinny goes ape in that song. Nothing but swagger.
I'll check it out Steve!
You are again spot on. This is a new approach from Sabbath. An my god wasn't it incredible. I love this band like no other. Sensational band. Ozzy or dio
Carmine Appice.
Vinny Martell played guitar with Carmine in Vanilla Fudge.
You should listen to Some Velvet Morning from Renaissance.
MOB RULES is one of the finest metal albums ever recorded. I actually prefer it to HEAVEN AND HELL. You owe it to yourself to check out the entire album. 🤘
Great Pick For Sure!
Favorite Sabbath song btw: Disturbing The Priest off the Born Again album.
Ian Gillan, Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler,- and Bill Ward.
Just can´t beat it.
This is a fantastic song off an amazing album..
Appice is a legend but for me Sabbath's true treasure was Tony Martin (their lead singer for some later albums) - vocally he was something else! I see precious few UA-camrs react to that era - it's all Dio or Ozzy!
Awesome
Every time I listen to this masterpiece I get goose bumps when Geezer's bass comes in.
Man that was a great tour!
Track is absolute fire
If you can watch live at Radio City Music Hall, the band is Heaven & Hell, 2009 but it's Mob Rules Sabbath line up astonishing gig
Also check out Turn Up the Night off the same album. Cracking riffle, great drumming and dead catchy
Can't wait to check it out
It really was one of the greatest band breakups of all time. Dio coming into the band wasn't replacing Ozzy, he made it an entirely new band - Appice was the cherry on top. Meanwhile, Ozzy played to his own strengths with his fantastic solo run. Ozzy Sabbath, Dio Sabbath and Solo Ozzy have three totally different sounds/vibes/dynamics, and it really showed that sometimes you need that time apart.
Unfortunately, the only one who didn't really get revitalized in the whole thing was Bill. While Ozzy went off into superstardom, Tony had a great new partnership and even Geezer had the relief of no longer being looked to for lyrics, Bill took the Ozzy/Sabbath split incredibly hard and just kinda tapped out of it.
I was thinking the same things. It was a brrakup that fate demanded for great things to happen.
ok I LOVE YOU for making that outlaw torn reference at 2:25 because I finally have an explanation for why that is my all time favorite Metallica song
You have to review this… killer song (they are locked in) but the drummer is amazing.
Same album?
@@AndrewRooneyDrums sorry, forgot to copy the link.
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Good catch on the Outlaw Torn! I never noticed it, but yeah, they totally ripped it off. It wouldn't be the first time James took something from Tony...
It’s right there huh!?
The title track Mob Rules is a banger. Please react to it whenever it’s convenient for you
Great concert in Ottawa
Andrew , Sabbath , Drums , and Coffee !! My neighbors are having a blast 🥁
Love that song!
As a bass player who was most heavily influenced by Geezer back in the late 80's.... Vinnie and Bill are both fkn incredible. Opposite sides of the coin, but incredible. Vinnie's use of space or a kick or a snare hit that he leaves OUT just blows my mind.
Great feel
When that riff kicks in....
Andrew, as much as you enjoyed this track from the Mob Rules album, I think you would enjoy the drums in "Slipping Away" even more.
What about reacting to ANY song on the Live Evil album? Perhaps "War Pigs" (drum solo at the end), or "Black Sabbath", or "Sign of the Southern Cross /Heaven and Hell"
Have a listen to the live version at the Wacken open air concert from 2008, Absolute killer.
Besides it being a later era (early 80s) and everything that comes with it, and the more 'polished' songwriting too (more digestible different sections etc) - one big difference I think Tony himself said is that while Ozzy did melodies that follow the riffs and groves, Ronnie most of the time writes *against* the riff - adding a whole different layer.
These two Dio albums are absolutely amazing, and - I am very sorry - I'd pick them over any of the Ozzy ones (purely by listening enjoyment).
Heaven and hell is my favourite Black Sabbath album and MOB rules is my second don't get me wrong I love Ozzy Black Sabbath but Ronnie James Dio brought it to a whole new level❤😊
You wait until you hear 'The hairy scream' - Ian Gillan lead singing on Born Again.
The two Dio Sabbath albums were produced by Sir Martin Birch, that's all you need to know for the difference in sound.
Oh my God. Dio is so great ❤
Once, somewhere around 1986 I had a call from a friend on a sunday afternoon:
" So, whatcha doing?"
"Just walking around drinking coffee looking out the window listening to Vinny Appice´s bass drum on the Sabbath live album Live Evil.... "
" You know what, mate,- not the worst thing you could be doing..... "
And I´m a metal guitar player!
Awesome album
Sabbath-adjacent...Check out Rainbow's "Mistreated" live in Munich, Cozy Powell is off the chain in that and Dio's vocal are insanely good. Thanks for the video love this song so much and the live version they did (Heaven and Hell) at Radio City was outstanding as well. I also want to add that there's a really cool video of this song live with a camera on Vinnie out there..wasn't sure if it was appropriate to link here or not but you should check it out; very cool.
Martin Birch produced Heaven & Hell and Mob Rules for Black Sabbath, then moved on to produce the '80s Dickinson-era Iron Maiden albums, so this song sounding like Maiden is understandable. Or rather, Maiden sounding like this. The Trooper is the one I always think of in relation to Falling Off the Edge of the World, and Maiden's song came out two years later.
I'm not sure about this, but I like to think that Mob Rules as an album was part of the impetus for Maiden recruiting Dickinson to join them.
ANDREW- A BIG recommendation from me would be to review Black Sabbath's "NEON KNIGHTS" and also "HEAVEN AND HELL", absolute BANGERS!!!!!!
The Mob Rules IMO IS THE best sabbath album ever made.
Love all of it
Sir... try Rainbow - Stargazer Dio in his prime, yes prime..1976, With Ritchie Blackmore from Deep Purple on guitar and Cowy Powell on drums, you won't be dissapointed.. Jimi Bain on bass and Tony Carey on keyboards. and the Munich Phylharmonic Orchestra