I still fail to understand the "controversy" over the Moors. Skinner didn't get to compete it internationally--at any meet--first, and that's how you get a skill named. London Phillips doesn't go on about how it's not fair that the Biles isn't the Phillips.
@@aaronsandman749 it seems fair that you need to compete a skill at an official FIG event to get it named. That's why other skills are controversial, like the Onodi - Mostepanova *had* competed it at an official meet before Onodi did. Skinner had only competed the DTDLO domestically. Why do people think it's controversial when no one says the same about the Biles I?
@@rebeccasilver2181 People do say the same about the Biles 1? I have seen such multiple times. Even on London Philips floor video here on UA-cam some comments say it. And I believe it should be the first gymnast to compete it and land it with no exception, as long as they are at a level 10 equivalent meet or higher.
@@aaronsandman749 People talk about Biles vs Phillips, but it's not as heated as Moors vs Skinner. I don't agree that it should be the first person who can land it at any competition. The CoP is written by the FIG, so if you want your name in it you need to do it at an FIG meet. Now that any world cup counts for naming, it's perfectly reasonable. Is it fair to gymnasts who don't get international assignments? No, unfortunately, but allowing any domestic competition where there are no FIG officials present to verify opens the door for other controversies. It also wouldn't be fair to gymnasts from smaller countries, who don't have a bunch of domestic meets the way the US does.
I read somewhere that Mostepanova didn't submit the skill because "it was too easy", just a variation of a backhandspring, just added a half turn to a normal skill.
I've heard it wasn't submitted bc the coaches assumed it was already in the Code. Or it just wasn't prioritized. I don't think Shushunova submitted the Yurchenko 3/2 either.
She didn't submit it because they thought it was already a skill. In USSR this was called 'Kolpenskoye' but was mainly performed on floor so they assumed it was already in the Code
I feel that Vanessa Ferrari should be recognized as an Olympian (just like Mykayla Skinner) instead of world champion. Both are prestigious but she worked incredibly hard for years to be an olympian.
World AA Champion holds more prestige in my mind than Olympic Medalist. However Mostepanova is described as only a Soviet Gymnast, so maybe you have a point.
For me, I'd probably prioritise World Champion over Olympic bronze or silver, but Olympic Champion over World. But since she's an Olympic medallist too, she should have been recognised as both.
Being an Olympian is just participating at the Games, you know that, right? So in your head, Gaëlle Mys (2x Olympian) has a more prestigious title than Morgan Hurd (World Champion)?
I know you didn’t mean any harm but I’d personally change the title of the video to “Skills that weren’t named after the gymnast who did them first”. IMPO, saying these skills were named after the “wrong” gymnast implies that the reasons why it happened weren’t valid.
@@takerkellygiveusbacktupac617 There's an official process for a reason. The first person who does it could have done it completely on their own without anyone noticing it. These skills WERE named after the people who performed it first in international competitions, as the rules state. They weren't named after the "wrong" gymnast because those who did it "first" literally did not meet the requirements for naming it after them.
It's surprising how each sport treats recognition differently. Although not the same as having a skill performed and named after you, at least in figure skating you are recognized for successfully landing the skill first regardless of the level of the competition. Also subsequently being recognized for performing the same skill in higher-up competitions up to the Olympics. For figure skating, all athletes whole accomplished the skill first get remembered. I know it's not the same as having it be named after you, but it's fun seeing how different sports approach those who get immortalized in the history books. edit: The competition still being within the code of official tournaments for the sport. Performing it at a local ice rink doesn't count.
I think it's a much better system to have the skill named after the first person to land it in any kind of competition. Or maybe any competition that is a qualifier somewhere in the chain of Olympic/world competition (so in the US, that would mean meets that are nationals qualifiers, because nationals qualifies to trials which qualifies to worlds/Olympics). Having to do it first at the right kind of competition seems artificial and really unfair to some gymnasts!
The chusovitina vault (front handspring rudi) could’ve been the atler as she performed it at the us cup and goodwill cup three years before chuso ever performed it. But again it was never performed at a World Cup/etc
@@nabojsa most definitely! Some were very disjointed because they took their time & you would see the turn... just the way they did it. But as you mentioned & a few others were beautiful at doing it!
The Moors is the Moors and that's it. Just because Mykayla did it in a televised event or videos of her doing it went on the Internet first doesn't mean Victoria hadn't been training it or even landed it first in training. Mykala didn't make world's (we ALL know why she doesn't make teams/finals) so it's not named after her. End
@@amaanb1923 her form. International judges teared apart her execution and she never improved it significantly. That's why even with big difficulty on floor she didn't score that high
@@albertitomoon5002 Yes. In the 2014 Worlds floor finals, MyKayla had the most difficult routine (even more difficult than Simone’s) but had the 2nd lowest execution score. Her E score was hammered significantly that she was beaten by Aliya for bronze who only did 3 tumbling passes but with wonderful execution as well as beautiful dance elements. Even up to the Tokyo Olympics, MyKayla still had wonky execution. Powerful, yes, but not aesthetically pleasing.
@@arvee0914 I think her keeping the moors is what really messed her up even more too because it's one of the biggest skills she has the most deductions on. She could have even tried the biles II since she landed it pretty well in training but she chose to keep the moors. It's a shame since she is hard working and has the talent, just never improved on form
Yeah, but this thread is about who was the first to perform a skill, not who did it best. As time goes on, of course there are gymnast who are stronger or will perform a skill better, but how about respect to those who dared to do it first.
I find the Onodi and the Dowell the only cases where we can speak of "wrongly" named elements, since both Europeans and Worlds are pretty big international competitions. As for other cases, where it was firstly performed at the domestic competition or the gymnast never made it to the team/stopped performing. Who cares.
@@agent606 True, well not for the Dowell I would argue. It originally competed at an international competition, but they changed the rules later. Other than that, that is correct. Now the Europeans are considered international competition. That was the only one I might argue wrongly named.
if simone only ever comes back to do one thing ... she needs to do the yurochenko double vault. would not be right if another gymnast had that named after her (although i think its a safe bet there wont be another gymnast competing it anytime soon)
@@corrineanders6373 « the last Olympics » ? Paris 2024 must be a collective hallucination ? Do you even know what « the twisties » are ? It’s when a gymnast gets lost in the air, it’s very dangerous
The Biles I gives me whiplash looking at it. Goes into a back to station then half twists to land facing the crowd. Full speed it’s definitely impressive but in slow motion 🤌
@@murasakino101 also, the Chusovitina as a full-in was performed by Aleftina Pryakhina in 1987 worlds PT but she was only an alternate and couldn't perform it in competition
While a Tsukahara vault would no longer be performed at a Class C Competition, It is named after a Male Japanese gymnast. With that being said a Tsukahara vault was first performed in Lakewood, Ohio by a Hal Shaw, a male high gymnast, in the early 1960's. While Shaw would go onto compete at the University of Illinois, he would never compete at the World Championships of Olympic Games.
So what’s being said here is, the skill was performed first by someone else who either failed to complete it in a competition that qualified the element to be named for them or just didn’t put in the request for it … therefore the element is NOT named for the wrong person.
@@anikokoren3417 Huang huidan twisted at a different time point, Hers is in the code as a different skill than fans. It’s inconsistent though because on vault and floor fig stopped caring about when the twist happens. But on bars we still have things like that, deltchev vs. gienger, Chusovitina having the full-out tuck dismount on bars
@@amaanb1923 she ignored Covid rules and was basically a down right denier like her husband, and then contracted it but thought she should be able to continue to train putting the entire gym at risk, while also traveling interstate constantly, threw a fit when she wasn’t awarded perfect tens in ncaa for throwing sloppy double doubles, threw a fit and reposted a racist picture of gabby Douglas when she was named a an alternate for the 2016 us Olympic team, basically said kyla ross and Maggie Nichols didn’t deserve all the awards they won over her in ncaa despite them constantly out scoring her because of her form issues, again threw a fit that she “stuck six yurchenko vaults and was never awarded a ten” (because her form is atrocious). Her one armed cheng that she thought should have been scored higher (which she did improve but not much, her repeated use of the n word, went on Twitter immediately after not making the 2021 Olympic team and liked and retweeted posts saying she should have been chosen over grace. Again trashing a team mate for making a team she would have never made to begin with because (again and again) her form is horrible and international judges would tear her apart.
@@amaanb1923 also her and her family troll Reddit and UA-cam and insult, fight, and disagree with anyone who dare to say anything negative about McKayla. Her dad has already called her “the best vaulter in the world” which is clearly untrue.
Moors vs Skinner is a fierce competition between two high level elite gymnasts. Both could stick it. (Before you start, Skinner’s Olympic floor qual is enough). Biles 1 vs Phillips is a top level elite gymnast vs a gymnast who all credit too her achieved the elite status but has only shaky official executions of the skill. Biles sticks it. Yes politics, FIG rules and who people like the most plays a part too.
Gymnasts successfully practice difficult moves with no cameras around so we may never know who really performed it first on earth. Thats why the rules are in-place & criteria must be met.
Question - when you say SUBMIT, does that mean the gymnast actually has to personally ask or request that it be considered to be a new element for the code of points? I always thought that the Judges did this automatically.
Usually the coach will request for the element to be evaluated. The Code says they must deliver a USB stick with a video of the skill + technical drawings if possible.
Me as a casual spectator with no gymnastics training whatsoever so I'm clearly going by the aesthetic: Biles vs Phillips: Biles, only because she was planted on the landings (that can't be good for the knees or ankles) Ferrari vs Larson: Larson looked more graceful. Dowell vs Wagner: Wagner looked better in hers. Moors vs Skinner: Something looked... off on both of them in all honesty. Onodi vs Mostepanova: Mostepanova. I couldn't even tell she turned.
I’ve seen a video like this before, there was a gymnast who had performed the Patterson years before Carly did it, she just never made it to Worlds or the Olympics.
@@agent606 Yep and it was a shame she didn’t get to go international and all but that’s life. Sometimes it sucks. However most of us die hard fans don’t call it the Patterson anyway. It’s just a double Arabian. 😂 I could care less if a skill is named. I just like knowing how it’s performed.
I would call Moors Biles III, if I had a chance. 😂 I don't care if it should be Moors or Skinner, but both's execution is not that precise. I know the skill is difficult af, but it just does not look like the skill if they both perform it. Biles' form is the best and I am not surprised.
Moors competed her skill with terrible body shape and is almost like a double double tuck. I know Mykayla is criticized for having soft knees but it should’ve been the skinner
Biles I could actually have been the Dos Santos II, had she wanted. She used to do it as a "warm up" for what has become her Dos Santos II. Which means Dos Santos II could have been Dos Santos III.
Podkopayeva vault Mustafina vault Chow 1/2 - yaostafina and Madison kocian was involved somehow The chow itself I think? Chusovitina vault Chusovitina floor Silivas floor All the Nellie Kims except the beam dismount
So happy Skinner didn't get the name, her attitude was all messed up in the Rio quad. And frankly, I didn't care for her in Tokyo either, though she was slightly more bearable. Jade remains the only female gymnast who seems to have truly mastered the skill though.
U have to perform it at a world championship qualification to have it named after u. Not the first one who did it nd evidently the other gymnast didn't do tht🙄🙄🙄
Totally misleading. The rules abide so why dispute the athletes who worked hard to popularize the skill by successfully executing the skill in competition?
Did anyone else get triggered when he announced Onodi as an Olympian?? She’s an Olympic champion! 😒 anyway great video! Btw I have hear commentators call it a mostepanova😊
lol, love the inflammatory and misleading title. More interesting video ideas: 1. Skills named after gymnast, removed from the code, resubmitted years later and named after someone else 2. Skills commonly referred to as the "Miller" which were never actually named after Shannon Miller 3. Skills named after gymnasts who if performed today would not receive credit
Um, no WAY should judges gave given Maddle Larson ring leap credit. She's nowhere near the required position. Or if she does, these clips don't show it.
It looks like the skills were given the right names after all. The title is misleading. You have to follow specifications to have a skilled named after you. 😊
I love the Onodi, but unfortunately her own skill plagued her career in the 90s often being the thing that threw her off the beam. Also, in English we put the stress on the wrong syllable. Her last name is Ónodi, not Onódi.
the moors performed when it was named after her, as well as most - but not all - of skinner's attempts, were done very poorly, with bent knees. Granted, too straight to be a pike, but geez ... personally id be happier to do one of those skills perfectly and not have it named after me, than have it named after me when i did a crap job of dong it at the time. I also think to be the first one to do it in an elite comp, even if you never got it named after you due to not competing at a qualifying event, there is a lot of pride to be had in it -you basically 'invented' it
Am I the only one thinking the naming rules are bollocks? Who gives a hoot where and how they compete, someone else evidently did it first. It’s like someone writing and performing a song on small stage and then someone else taking the same song and performing it on a world stage. Doesn’t make it ‘theirs’ now, does it?
Moors never did the Moors right. Not once. I can't believe they even gave her credit for it. I also can't comprehend how people think the anode skill is beautiful.lol
This is abused, only someone who has absolutely no experience in the sector would come up with such a nonsensical video. If people do not make internationally, and remain unknown, so do their athletic attempts. Seconfly, if they do Not perform correctly their routines, there is no way in the universe they will have anything named after them. The Biles REMAINS hers because she is one of the very few gymnstatos who have scored a perfect ten!
I didn’t realize “the Moors” could have been “the Skinner.” I really think that young lady did not get the respect she deserved as a gymnast. Happy she got a good ending.
@@Mimi-mx4sk I really don’t care to debate this with you, but what I will say is it’s very easy to criticize someone’s reaction to circumstances you’ve never had to endure. I think her story is amazing.
It's a curse to invent a skill if you compete for a top national team. You just know a Canadian, Australian, Brit, etc.. will make their way to an international/national meet easier and claim it.
I do like that they changed the rule now if two gymnasts perform the new skill at the same competition it is named after both of gymnasts.
But if skinner nailed the moors in quals would it be named after her or both of them since they still did it at worlds just not the same day
i feel that's a bit goof in this case the movement shouldn't receive either names period. end of discussion -_-
@@d00f60 I think it would be, the Skinner-Moors
MYKAYLA did not compete t 2013 worlds
chow 1/2 would have been yao-mustafina had this been in effect at 2012! i heard they both submitted at the time
I still fail to understand the "controversy" over the Moors. Skinner didn't get to compete it internationally--at any meet--first, and that's how you get a skill named. London Phillips doesn't go on about how it's not fair that the Biles isn't the Phillips.
Bc skinner is a snowflake
The controversies are in the whole COP and how skills are named after gymnasts, not just the Moors. But okay.
@@aaronsandman749 it seems fair that you need to compete a skill at an official FIG event to get it named. That's why other skills are controversial, like the Onodi - Mostepanova *had* competed it at an official meet before Onodi did. Skinner had only competed the DTDLO domestically. Why do people think it's controversial when no one says the same about the Biles I?
@@rebeccasilver2181 People do say the same about the Biles 1? I have seen such multiple times. Even on London Philips floor video here on UA-cam some comments say it.
And I believe it should be the first gymnast to compete it and land it with no exception, as long as they are at a level 10 equivalent meet or higher.
@@aaronsandman749 People talk about Biles vs Phillips, but it's not as heated as Moors vs Skinner. I don't agree that it should be the first person who can land it at any competition. The CoP is written by the FIG, so if you want your name in it you need to do it at an FIG meet. Now that any world cup counts for naming, it's perfectly reasonable. Is it fair to gymnasts who don't get international assignments? No, unfortunately, but allowing any domestic competition where there are no FIG officials present to verify opens the door for other controversies. It also wouldn't be fair to gymnasts from smaller countries, who don't have a bunch of domestic meets the way the US does.
it's funny how in Romania we don't call it the "Onodi", we call it the "Mostepanova"..
Even onodi called it the mostepanova
As it should be
I think it was actually Marta Egavari who did it first in 1981 - but again not submitted at the time.
I read somewhere that Mostepanova didn't submit the skill because "it was too easy", just a variation of a backhandspring, just added a half turn to a normal skill.
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I've heard it wasn't submitted bc the coaches assumed it was already in the Code. Or it just wasn't prioritized. I don't think Shushunova submitted the Yurchenko 3/2 either.
She didn't submit it because they thought it was already a skill. In USSR this was called 'Kolpenskoye' but was mainly performed on floor so they assumed it was already in the Code
I feel that Vanessa Ferrari should be recognized as an Olympian (just like Mykayla Skinner) instead of world champion. Both are prestigious but she worked incredibly hard for years to be an olympian.
Exactly, and she is not only an olympian but olympian silver medalist.
World AA Champion holds more prestige in my mind than Olympic Medalist. However Mostepanova is described as only a Soviet Gymnast, so maybe you have a point.
For me, I'd probably prioritise World Champion over Olympic bronze or silver, but Olympic Champion over World. But since she's an Olympic medallist too, she should have been recognised as both.
Being an Olympian is just participating at the Games, you know that, right? So in your head, Gaëlle Mys (2x Olympian) has a more prestigious title than Morgan Hurd (World Champion)?
Also, Onodi is an Olympic CHAMPION, not only an Olympian.
I know you didn’t mean any harm but I’d personally change the title of the video to “Skills that weren’t named after the gymnast who did them first”. IMPO, saying these skills were named after the “wrong” gymnast implies that the reasons why it happened weren’t valid.
Na. Then first person to do it should have it named after them. Reasons are irrelevant
@@takerkellygiveusbacktupac617 There's an official process for a reason. The first person who does it could have done it completely on their own without anyone noticing it. These skills WERE named after the people who performed it first in international competitions, as the rules state. They weren't named after the "wrong" gymnast because those who did it "first" literally did not meet the requirements for naming it after them.
Ooohhh, yall need to stop being so damn silly about everything. Enjoy the video and stop worrying about ppl getting insulted.
It's called a catchy title.
It's surprising how each sport treats recognition differently. Although not the same as having a skill performed and named after you, at least in figure skating you are recognized for successfully landing the skill first regardless of the level of the competition. Also subsequently being recognized for performing the same skill in higher-up competitions up to the Olympics. For figure skating, all athletes whole accomplished the skill first get remembered. I know it's not the same as having it be named after you, but it's fun seeing how different sports approach those who get immortalized in the history books.
edit: The competition still being within the code of official tournaments for the sport. Performing it at a local ice rink doesn't count.
I think it's a much better system to have the skill named after the first person to land it in any kind of competition. Or maybe any competition that is a qualifier somewhere in the chain of Olympic/world competition (so in the US, that would mean meets that are nationals qualifiers, because nationals qualifies to trials which qualifies to worlds/Olympics). Having to do it first at the right kind of competition seems artificial and really unfair to some gymnasts!
The chusovitina vault (front handspring rudi) could’ve been the atler as she performed it at the us cup and goodwill cup three years before chuso ever performed it. But again it was never performed at a World Cup/etc
bai chunyue did it at 2000 pacific alliance as well
The *Onodi* , the most beautiful skill in all of gymnastics (my opinion, of course)!
@@nabojsa most definitely! Some were very disjointed because they took their time & you would see the turn... just the way they did it. But as you mentioned & a few others were beautiful at doing it!
I completely agree it's especially beautiful when formed after a bank that can spring which people rarely do cuz I guess it's so tough
Have to say, I'm not impressed with Ferrari or Larson's split ring position
Flavia's is the prettiest to me.
Neither should be counted as there is no way that's a 5cm gap between the foot and head
I had the same thought. That is not proper technique and neither should have counted.
The Moors is the Moors and that's it. Just because Mykayla did it in a televised event or videos of her doing it went on the Internet first doesn't mean Victoria hadn't been training it or even landed it first in training. Mykala didn't make world's (we ALL know why she doesn't make teams/finals) so it's not named after her. End
Curious, why didn’t she make teams/finals?
@@amaanb1923 her form. International judges teared apart her execution and she never improved it significantly. That's why even with big difficulty on floor she didn't score that high
@@albertitomoon5002 Yes. In the 2014 Worlds floor finals, MyKayla had the most difficult routine (even more difficult than Simone’s) but had the 2nd lowest execution score. Her E score was hammered significantly that she was beaten by Aliya for bronze who only did 3 tumbling passes but with wonderful execution as well as beautiful dance elements. Even up to the Tokyo Olympics, MyKayla still had wonky execution. Powerful, yes, but not aesthetically pleasing.
@@arvee0914 I think her keeping the moors is what really messed her up even more too because it's one of the biggest skills she has the most deductions on. She could have even tried the biles II since she landed it pretty well in training but she chose to keep the moors. It's a shame since she is hard working and has the talent, just never improved on form
Victoria didn’t start training the skill until MYK released video of herself doing the skill. It’s also way easier to make a Canadian team.
Jade Carey and Simone Biles have the best form on the Moors, its an eye sore when everyone else performs it
Yeah, but this thread is about who was the first to perform a skill, not who did it best. As time goes on, of course there are gymnast who are stronger or will perform a skill better, but how about respect to those who dared to do it first.
Yes.
I find the Onodi and the Dowell the only cases where we can speak of "wrongly" named elements, since both Europeans and Worlds are pretty big international competitions.
As for other cases, where it was firstly performed at the domestic competition or the gymnast never made it to the team/stopped performing. Who cares.
I think the Moors situation must suck for Mykayla…
It’s more of a “who really performed it first” and not wrongly named skills.
@@agent606 True, well not for the Dowell I would argue. It originally competed at an international competition, but they changed the rules later. Other than that, that is correct. Now the Europeans are considered international competition. That was the only one I might argue wrongly named.
@@ojk46 yeah but the fact that she and her family made a huge deal out of it kind of sucks away any sympathy I would have had.
What about the "Silivas"? Pryakhina did it at Europeans before Silivas did it at the Olympics.
Everything Simone does is so clean.
Yes indeed. I hope she comes back.
The Tsukahara was originally the O’Shaw-after Hal Shaw, one of my coaches (1972), who performed the vault in national competition only.
Shaw invented the vault while in high school in Lakewood, Ohio. Would like to induct him into our school's hall of fame.
@@tomglunt7483 I was told Shaw was imprisoned on charges you may want to look into-I’m not comfortable posting that information here. It’s bad.
@@djstace808 thank you
There used to be a video floating around of Tia Orlando doing the Dowell at an international competition (montreal maybe?) from 2003.
exactly! It was in Montreal, at Gymnix !
if simone only ever comes back to do one thing ... she needs to do the yurochenko double vault. would not be right if another gymnast had that named after her (although i think its a safe bet there wont be another gymnast competing it anytime soon)
Haha yeah I think the naming rights on the Yurchenko double are safe for now.
I don't care for Simone biles. She was in for herself during the Olympics, could care less her team. Their are Way better Gymnast then her.
@@corrineanders6373there is no better gymnast than Biles (and I’m not from the us)
@@zinzoline4990 🤣🤣 That's why she left her teammates behind. At the last Olympics!
@@corrineanders6373 « the last Olympics » ? Paris 2024 must be a collective hallucination ?
Do you even know what « the twisties » are ? It’s when a gymnast gets lost in the air, it’s very dangerous
The Biles I gives me whiplash looking at it. Goes into a back to station then half twists to land facing the crowd. Full speed it’s definitely impressive but in slow motion 🤌
I’d like to see more Onodi’s connected to other elements like she did when she competed it. It’s so pretty when done right! ❤
I think the Silivas is also a good example. Two USSR gymnasts performed the skill before Daniela Silivas.
Chusovitina on floor too i think. If I'm not mistaken, two different versions were dome of it
@@murasakino101 I've heard it's gone to being named after Tuzhikova with no distinction on where the twist is.
@@thesovgc in the 2022-24 CoP, the "full twisting double layout" is named after both of them, Chusovitina and Tuzhikova.
@@marcelotdeo good to know. thank you!
@@murasakino101 also, the Chusovitina as a full-in was performed by Aleftina Pryakhina in 1987 worlds PT but she was only an alternate and couldn't perform it in competition
And don't even get me started on all the Kims
That should be a video in itself! 😍
thanks for giving credits to these other anonymous gymnasts.
Love it! I also HATE the 'slow connection' deduction on beam and the 'precise' deduction. Perfect looking routines only score like a 8.0 E these days
While a Tsukahara vault would no longer be performed at a Class C Competition, It is named after a Male Japanese gymnast. With that being said a Tsukahara vault was first performed in Lakewood, Ohio by a Hal Shaw, a male high gymnast, in the early 1960's. While Shaw would go onto compete at the University of Illinois, he would never compete at the World Championships of Olympic Games.
So what’s being said here is, the skill was performed first by someone else who either failed to complete it in a competition that qualified the element to be named for them or just didn’t put in the request for it … therefore the element is NOT named for the wrong person.
other examples that i can think of is the fan dismount (bars), the mustafina dismount (bars). there's a lot actually! hoping for part 2 :)
Thank you! Can u tell me who performed them? I’m not aware :)
@@gymnasticsmasterclassI think Huang Huidan won a bars silver at 2014 worlds with the Fan dismount but Fan Yilin got it named after her in 2017?
@@anikokoren3417 Huang huidan twisted at a different time point, Hers is in the code as a different skill than fans. It’s inconsistent though because on vault and floor fig stopped caring about when the twist happens. But on bars we still have things like that, deltchev vs. gienger, Chusovitina having the full-out tuck dismount on bars
@@Plaspos interesting, I just watched it back and can't see the difference... but I suck at these lol
Who did Mustafina's dismount before her?
Johnson is done by Podkopaeva too.
There’s also the Silivas on floor that should have been the Pryakhina
I’m extremely relieved the Moors didn’t become the Skinner, because her ego would’ve been through the roof.
Not to mention moors just had better form and height.
MyKayla doesn't have ego shut up
Her ego? Did she do something that I’m not aware of?
@@amaanb1923 she ignored Covid rules and was basically a down right denier like her husband, and then contracted it but thought she should be able to continue to train putting the entire gym at risk, while also traveling interstate constantly, threw a fit when she wasn’t awarded perfect tens in ncaa for throwing sloppy double doubles, threw a fit and reposted a racist picture of gabby Douglas when she was named a an alternate for the 2016 us Olympic team, basically said kyla ross and Maggie Nichols didn’t deserve all the awards they won over her in ncaa despite them constantly out scoring her because of her form issues, again threw a fit that she “stuck six yurchenko vaults and was never awarded a ten” (because her form is atrocious). Her one armed cheng that she thought should have been scored higher (which she did improve but not much, her repeated use of the n word, went on Twitter immediately after not making the 2021 Olympic team and liked and retweeted posts saying she should have been chosen over grace. Again trashing a team mate for making a team she would have never made to begin with because (again and again) her form is horrible and international judges would tear her apart.
@@amaanb1923 also her and her family troll Reddit and UA-cam and insult, fight, and disagree with anyone who dare to say anything negative about McKayla. Her dad has already called her “the best vaulter in the world” which is clearly untrue.
Tia Orlando competed a front double pike in either 2003 or 2004. I'm sure it was at the gymnix tournament =)
The Onodi is so beautiful just like the gymnast herself.
I'm not mad that hatin Skinner was left out of history.
Moors vs Skinner is a fierce competition between two high level elite gymnasts. Both could stick it. (Before you start, Skinner’s Olympic floor qual is enough).
Biles 1 vs Phillips is a top level elite gymnast vs a gymnast who all credit too her achieved the elite status but has only shaky official executions of the skill. Biles sticks it.
Yes politics, FIG rules and who people like the most plays a part too.
Is there an equivalent video about men's gymnastics?
Gymnasts successfully practice difficult moves with no cameras around so we may never know who really performed it first on earth. Thats why the rules are in-place & criteria must be met.
Has to be an INTERNATIONAL competition to count.
Question - when you say SUBMIT, does that mean the gymnast actually has to personally ask or request that it be considered to be a new element for the code of points?
I always thought that the Judges did this automatically.
Usually the coach will request for the element to be evaluated. The Code says they must deliver a USB stick with a video of the skill + technical drawings if possible.
Me as a casual spectator with no gymnastics training whatsoever so I'm clearly going by the aesthetic:
Biles vs Phillips: Biles, only because she was planted on the landings (that can't be good for the knees or ankles)
Ferrari vs Larson: Larson looked more graceful.
Dowell vs Wagner: Wagner looked better in hers.
Moors vs Skinner: Something looked... off on both of them in all honesty.
Onodi vs Mostepanova: Mostepanova. I couldn't even tell she turned.
I’ve seen a video like this before, there was a gymnast who had performed the Patterson years before Carly did it, she just never made it to Worlds or the Olympics.
Cory fritzinger did it in ncaa years before Carly.
@@agent606 Yep and it was a shame she didn’t get to go international and all but that’s life. Sometimes it sucks. However most of us die hard fans don’t call it the Patterson anyway. It’s just a double Arabian. 😂 I could care less if a skill is named. I just like knowing how it’s performed.
the double double layout is the Moors but the double double pike should be the Skinner lmfaooo
I would call Moors Biles III, if I had a chance. 😂 I don't care if it should be Moors or Skinner, but both's execution is not that precise. I know the skill is difficult af, but it just does not look like the skill if they both perform it. Biles' form is the best and I am not surprised.
Fun fact I train gymnastics with Mikayla Skinners nephew, Colton
this whole list is about to be exclusively Nellie Kim hijacking skills and rewriting the code with her name in it lol
Moors competed her skill with terrible body shape and is almost like a double double tuck. I know Mykayla is criticized for having soft knees but it should’ve been the skinner
I remember the Moors/Skinner battle. I was so hoping for it to be the Skinner lol.
Wow the gymnasts in the 80s were so shockingly thin.
Well considering that most of them were probably starved and overtrained, it's not surprising.
Moor’s Moors is piked, should not be considered
Mostepanova's Onodi was epic.
Biles I could actually have been the Dos Santos II, had she wanted. She used to do it as a "warm up" for what has become her Dos Santos II. Which means Dos Santos II could have been Dos Santos III.
Only Biles could perform the Moors in a true layout, just sayin
I can think of the Kim, the Kim, the Kim and the Kim.
Oh, and the Kim.
Podkopayeva vault
Mustafina vault
Chow 1/2 - yaostafina and Madison kocian was involved somehow
The chow itself I think?
Chusovitina vault
Chusovitina floor
Silivas floor
All the Nellie Kims except the beam dismount
So happy Skinner didn't get the name, her attitude was all messed up in the Rio quad. And frankly, I didn't care for her in Tokyo either, though she was slightly more bearable. Jade remains the only female gymnast who seems to have truly mastered the skill though.
This is less of a "name for the wrong" as it is a "this could have been named, if..." list.
When I saw the title I immediately thought "oh this is about Nellie Kim"
the moors should have been the biles II because none of the athlete perform the skill with completely laid out form
Biles is the Goat💯
So what the title should have been is "Skills that could have had another name, if life worked out differently"?
I made the „soares“ in the year 2019 but I haven’t made it to any international competition … and now it’s to late for me haha :(
Curiosity: Daiane dos Santos was doing the biles in training for Dos Santos 2, before Simone do.
The originator is the originator. Period.
Huh
A pike double front should just be a pike double front. You should add something special or unique to get a skill named after you.
U have to perform it at a world championship qualification to have it named after u. Not the first one who did it nd evidently the other gymnast didn't do tht🙄🙄🙄
Wow there are really great moments... With wonderful women 💐
Did Ferrari truly perform a ring? Did Larson? It's...
Nice video.
Who will be the first to compete the Andrade and get named after her?
In Romania we call it Mostepanova not Onodi :)))
Cristina Bontas did the chusovitina on floor in 1991 world
And Maddie didn’t touch the back of her head with her foot. The other girl did.
I feel bad for Wagner.
Onodi I think performs the move much better than the Russian girl.
You're out of your mind
Totally misleading. The rules abide so why dispute the athletes who worked hard to popularize the skill by successfully executing the skill in competition?
Did anyone else get triggered when he announced Onodi as an Olympian?? She’s an Olympic champion! 😒 anyway great video! Btw I have hear commentators call it a mostepanova😊
Yes we know this. the point is that the skill had to be done at specific competion. Change your click bait.
lol, love the inflammatory and misleading title.
More interesting video ideas:
1. Skills named after gymnast, removed from the code, resubmitted years later and named after someone else
2. Skills commonly referred to as the "Miller" which were never actually named after Shannon Miller
3. Skills named after gymnasts who if performed today would not receive credit
nice
Um, no WAY should judges gave given Maddle Larson ring leap credit. She's nowhere near the required position. Or if she does, these clips don't show it.
What about dos Santos I?
If you were a gymnast and made a new skill. What would the skill be named.
wasn't the "Yurchenko' done by another gymnast first?
Yes, by Levinkov, a male gymnast.
It looks like the skills were given the right names after all. The title is misleading. You have to follow specifications to have a skilled named after you. 😊
I love the Onodi, but unfortunately her own skill plagued her career in the 90s often being the thing that threw her off the beam. Also, in English we put the stress on the wrong syllable. Her last name is Ónodi, not Onódi.
True and I still do not know why she skipped compulsory bars in Atlanta
RULES NEED TO CHANGE
Why does the named after have to be c there so much lovely and beautiful skill under c
Who are these gymnast’s?
Everything named after Nellie Kim? 🙄
the moors performed when it was named after her, as well as most - but not all - of skinner's attempts, were done very poorly, with bent knees. Granted, too straight to be a pike, but geez ... personally id be happier to do one of those skills perfectly and not have it named after me, than have it named after me when i did a crap job of dong it at the time. I also think to be the first one to do it in an elite comp, even if you never got it named after you due to not competing at a qualifying event, there is a lot of pride to be had in it -you basically 'invented' it
Moors had terrible form. Watch Jade and Simone for how it’s supposed to be done.
Pretty shocking really 😮
Didn't a Russian gymnast go through the code and rename a bunch of skills after herself when she became an FIG official? Has that ever been corrected?
Yes, Nelli kim
Tajik-Qazaq-KoreanSakhalin-Tatar plss don't erase the heritage of the kween
Oooh Skinner 😞😞
Am I the only one thinking the naming rules are bollocks? Who gives a hoot where and how they compete, someone else evidently did it first. It’s like someone writing and performing a song on small stage and then someone else taking the same song and performing it on a world stage. Doesn’t make it ‘theirs’ now, does it?
NOT MOORS, it's MOOPS!!
I’m sorry but the Ferrari should be called the Ferrari because she fully executed it …
Mattie Larson didn’t execute it as well and did not do a full ring
She really only did a split full
But then the whole Olympics is shady as shi....
Moors never did the Moors right. Not once. I can't believe they even gave her credit for it. I also can't comprehend how people think the anode skill is beautiful.lol
Not even right. They change the rules suspiciously. Very shady.
This is abused, only someone who has absolutely no experience in the sector would come up with such a nonsensical video. If people do not make internationally, and remain unknown, so do their athletic attempts. Seconfly, if they do Not perform correctly their routines, there is no way in the universe they will have anything named after them. The Biles REMAINS hers because she is one of the very few gymnstatos who have scored a perfect ten!
I didn’t realize “the Moors” could have been “the Skinner.” I really think that young lady did not get the respect she deserved as a gymnast. Happy she got a good ending.
Will she retired after Tokyo , not my favourite gymnast but she is a hard worker
If it wasn't for her poor attitude and bad sportsmanship ... I was happy it wasn't credited "the skinner".
@@Mimi-mx4sk I really don’t care to debate this with you, but what I will say is it’s very easy to criticize someone’s reaction to circumstances you’ve never had to endure. I think her story is amazing.
So Biles gets credit for it when someone else did it first just because it wasn't in an official competition? That isn't fair
It's a curse to invent a skill if you compete for a top national team. You just know a Canadian, Australian, Brit, etc.. will make their way to an international/national meet easier and claim it.