How he beautifully yet tragically tells you this story in perfect detail, where he paints a picture for you mentally, is why he’s just an incredible writer.
He's still able to tell that story and create the imagery in your mind with spoken word when normally he does it in written word. Man is a true author.
Joe doesn't get enough credit for not interrupting. And keeping these long format conversations going in ways that really dive into the nitty gritty. If this exact story was told on any other podcast, the host would interrupt and make it funny/about them somehow. Joe keep doing you man.
Little known fact. During his tenure at fear factor if he really liked a contestant or found them more deserving of the price. He would help them win. Encourage them more and even ignore things if it helped them.
I know when I talk about loss and how my family lost someone in a tragic accident, I do have things that I have saved up to say - much like Palahniuk did at the end there. Things like that can come up enough to where it's better if you have things ready to say, and you just tell the story.
My mother was murdered by a registered sex offender who was also her boyfriend. She didn't know he was a sex offender as he kept this to himself, but she did know he was a previous convict. She spent most of her younger years an addict and most of her late adult years picking up the pieces. She was never able to pick up enough of those pieces to not be involved with abusive and manipulative men. She was 50 years old. Rest In Peace Michelle.
What is really unfortunate is how many men are violent and manipulative lots of people are codependant can't stand to be alone even women who did not have bad childhoods can fall prey to them because you don't expect people to be that way. Women should really be taught about predators from a young age their safety is really in danger but I think they do look for certain things when targeting a potential victim the independent type are probably not preferred but abusers isolate their victims too so then support networks are cut off that's actually a red flag too.
It would be weird to reflect on this after some strange series of things. I don't much like this author at all but i wanted to get to hear him out a bit. Best wishes friend. Might be important that we experience this.
This is a wild story. My Dad was murdered too...stabbed by a fellow Heroin addict. Difference for me, is that my Dad was abusive to me, and so his death was rather more like a blessing in my life. So I never got the sense of losing a Father, but rather gaining a future. I sympathize with those who have lost parents which were worth having.
Sympathy to you & so true about having parents who were not roll models. I have met people in my town who's parents never taught them anything except for how to blow a meth pipe.
The way he starts the story with "Dad.." just hits me hard. Clearly this man meant a lot to him and still does. This makes the fact that he shares this entire story so openly even stronger. "Father" is a different word. It's just a biological word to me. "Father" can be absent yet still be your father. A "Dad" is not absent and technically doesn't have to be your biological father. I hope this was some twist of fate with some higher meaning. That somewhere out there, there is a man that sits around and thinks "Huh, that was an odd turn of events. Oh well.." and goes on enjoying the afterlife. I know this is just likely to be completely nonsense, but one is allowed to think that way. That one can hope and believe that at the time of death you will be given an opportunity to meet with them again -- there can be no bad outcome of this: Either A) You do meet them again and get to experience their presence, voice, personality and everything you loved about them, or B) There's nothing at the moment of death and you will not be aware to be disappointed. This is why I think anyone discouraging hope by hiding behind "science" is a fucking monster. Understand that this is something that might be a driving force for others.
It’s simplicity makes me ponder the complexities of life. As an individual who is truly in need to read such kind words, i find it truly amazing to have stumbled upon these beautiful words? Would it be fair state this falls into the category of divine? Absolutely. Even more beautiful is the fact that the happiness i gained from reading your post has now given me the motivation to pass this same positive energy to someone else.. just a good person being a good person? Perhaps. Or maybe , as you stated, a concept and force beyond our control.
I really hope you're right, believe me, I don't want to be right, that there's probably just nothing... Heaven just doesn't seem logical. I wish I could have blind faith but I guess I have some serious trust issues when it comes to what I hear from humans.
Some stories make you stop and look around and appreciate every beautiful thing in your life. This was one of those stories. Props to Chuck for having the strength to share it
Listening to him retell this story makes me realize why he is my favorite author. Finding the patterns that are stretched out beautifully and tragically throughout time is something only Chuck can do. He's a poet
This is true. Same reason he's a favorite of mine as well. I love the self awareness he has as he mentioned towards the end that it may all just be coincidence and he's grasping at anything to make sense of it, as well all do to some extent. To me, this is what the human mind does, try to put things that are in disorder, into order, of some kind, to cope, to assuage the saddened mind into a realm of peace. It's so sad, but we've all had sad, traumatic experiences. And trying to find some sort of poetic cohesion or semblance from the tapestry and woes we all have, I feel, is healthy, for the mind.
No wonder this man is a incredible writer with the pain he must have went through. "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed." -Ernest Hemingway
As a new (and now, award-winning) writer... yup... I resonate. *Vulnerability is more valuable than all the money in the world.* 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ "Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart & soul's fate revealed. In Time, all points converge--hope's strength re-steeled. But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain, We must see all in nothingness... ...before we start again." 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ -- Diamond Dragons (book 1)
@@user-cb7jq6rv1j I'm scrolling down and you're on all of these comments, I seriously doubt Palahniuk did anything to you personally so I'd suggest getting help with your creepy obsession
E l norton no the point is don’t marry a Con. Fate had no involvement in the murder but associating with scum had everything to do with it. Stay away from jailbirds.
@@richardjordan9092 There's a pretty easy way to either substantiate or disprove the claims before making an ambiguous statement about the validity of them
Wow... amazing story. Sometimes in death we see or feel absolutely amazing things. This was unreal. My mom passed before my dad and had always taken care of him, cooked, cleaned, everything. And when my Dad was very sick with cancer, the last day I visited him, when he could no longer speak or look at me, I got home and asked out loud for my mom to go there and let him know it's ok to let go. And I got an extremely powerful feeling come over my entire body, feet to head, and not even 2 minutes later I got the call that he had passed. So I truly believe that once again, as always in his life, my mom took care of him and helped him across. There's just no other explanation with the feeling and timing of events.
Yeah that's called magical thinking your dead died because he was sick he couldn't even talk he would have died weather your tried to do magic and contact the dead or not
@@moonstarsun5293 His life must be miserable enough up to the point he must share his frustrations with people that have nothing to do with his/her predicament. Misery loves company.
@@CRLenard No Tinder back then. And why not ? Most Abusive ex threaten their ex all the time, it's nothing new really. You don't expect them to commit actual murder.
The details of the story like the boulder, and the house being clean as a pin, are so sad because it shows how much pain Chuck went through, obsessing over the details and timeline in his head as he grieved and tried to heal. I hope he was able to at least have some peace knowing that his dad didn’t suffer for too long, and passed before the fire took him. I hate scumbags like the ex husband who believe that they’re entitled to another human being’s life.
I saw another more recent re-telling of this story and he says he tried to understand it "forensically" and that he is certain that the fire is what killed his Dad.
@@anas-432 coincidences are not proof of a god. Logically sometimes something unlikely has to happen, you just don't count all the stuff that *doesn't* happen, obviously.
Everyone is so hesitant to acknowledge the magic that emerges from unconscious patterns and trauma. You get laughed at for saying people create their reality until they realize that most of their lives are just repeats of unresolved trauma that manifests in ways you couldn't make happen even if you tried.
"The Law of Attraction" is neither a law, nor is it based in reality. In the end, every individual has MUCH less 'control' over their lives than they believe. When someone has 'success', they take credit. When they 'fail', they blame circumstances. The irony is... circumstances, connections, upbringing, money, luck, height, beauty, weather and more *ALL* play a role into one's life. Your own actions don't have as much influence as you'd like to believe (well, not scientifically, at least). But... people continue to believe as they wish, of course. 💪😎🤟
@@Novastar.SaberCombat 20 years ago no one knew what fasting was and now everyone and there grandmother's are doing intermittent fasting the muslims have been fasting for hundreds of years even though there was no science on this at that time people who did it and continue to do it will have longer life spans compared to someone who just started doing it science will catch up to these things eventually maybe in our lifetime maybe in a few hundred years I'm not going to wait for science to come around for me to start using something that clearly works
Such a tragic story but a story we as men can learn from. The girlfriend, a lawyer, got her ex out of prison. He then went on to sexually abuse her daughter from her previous marriage. They separate with the ex stipulating that he will end any boyfriend that she has. Ok guys, listen up. If you are with a woman who's been married twice with an ex who is an ex-felon, sexual abuser, no matter how much you like her it probably will not end well. Don't think bad things won't happen to you. There's a very good chance it will. Not just getting ended but losing a lot of money, mentally abused, losing friendships, losing hobbies. This was an extreme case but bad outcomes are very common. Let's learn from them.
this is good advice. Don't be a hero to someone who doesn't want to be saved. I mean, as a lawyer imagine the choices she had and she went for a prisoner lol. C'mon man!
For any of you who haven't read his books. They feel just like this story. You are taken away into very uncomfortable circumstances but you want to know more and more of what will happen.
I’d love it if Joe got into interviewing people who’ve had near death experiences or one of the authors who’ve studied NDEs. I think those stories would be perfect for Joe to look into…
@OmniscientSloth One of Joe's recurring guests is Graham Hancock. You probably already know this if you're into NDE's, but in case you don't, Hancock has a channel and he interviews people with near dear experiences.
@Elder Tree Because I don’t feel like downloading another app creating a username creating a password login and to another platform to look at the same shit.
i mean at 22 years past, if you do feel serious pain when retelling a traumatic story; you haven't done anything emotionally. If you manage your emotions and mental well being, you'll have worked through that well before 20 years.
@@eliassanchez420wakenbake to process the murder of your father and just be able to retell it like that? I know a few guys who’ve gone through the same shit and they don’t like speaking on it understandingly.
Wow. That was the most emotional story I have ever heard. My heart goes out to him. Losing a father can...as I have...I can only imagine. Great story... thank you for sharing
I knew this was gonna be a UA-cam clip when I heard it. Deeply saddening story…hit me hard while I listened in my way home from work today. And at the same time….this man’s perception of it all blew my mind. Amazing
Saying “Dad” instead of “my dad” demonstrates how brilliant of a storyteller he is. He pulls you into his world. His dad is ours. Goes to show there’s nothing more human than literature…
The way he's able to put all of the pieces together and explain every detail so viscerally is both fascinating yet deeply terrifying, especially when his tone is so nonchalant describing such a personal tragedy.
ORORORORO!!! I spend half of my day sleeping! ORORORO!!! Then I sometimes get up and tell you that I am a famous content creatorORORORORO!!! Please don't sleep while driving, dear big
@@RolandSpecialSauce he’s working on a book and testing the story on the often gullible Joe Rogan.... but yeah, sure, he wrote “kismet” on a boulder that just happened to fall into the road 😂
@@RolandSpecialSauce Wasn't it a different house? I don't feel like watching the whole thing again, but I thought they were killed when he was picking the woman up
I don't know why women start relationships with men in prison. It's so bizarre to me. Especially starting a relationship, doing legal work to get them out, marrying them, for them turning out to be a criminal that abuses your daughter. The guy is a criminal. You met him while he was doing time. What did you expect?
plus the Patterson-Gimlin video was real, not sure what the creature was but it was real. Because Tech and spec-fx in 67' were not good enough to fake it. watch 2001 odessey, see how bad the monkey suits were. Look at harry n the Henderson that was done with a 10m$ budget, P&G was done with 100k$. P&G had no special effects training Rick Baker won an oscar for H&H.
Thank you Joe for letting him tell his story. It was a gift. I take nothing for granted, and there is always someone who has had more tragedy in their family than you….
Stories like this made me release I been so luckky to have the loving dad, mom and siblings I have. I quit whining about my "tough" childhood, years ago.
I remember doing a book Report on Choke my sophomore year of high school. I got an A but also a talking to from my teacher that if I ever did a report like that again he would suspend me.
Choke is NOT school material, but big props to your teacher for knowing you did it right. I fell in love with Palahniuk in Highschool, there was a girl( I still crush on in our 30's) who was a big fab of his. I dived in head first at Barnes and Noble and spent around $70 on his books. Never told her, but that shaped my life in a way I cannot repay. Thanks Allison, you beautiful soul.
Omg, your own life just gave you enough drama, enough raw material, so you took it and become an amazing writer... That's not an ordinary story and the way you told it, just gave me goosebumps...
@@DrSpaceman69 the way he depicted it feels like one of his stories, it is so detailed and whimsicaly colorful, it doesn't feel real, right? But it is...
We always think every mild interruption in our daily life is a hassle and negative thing. Stories are like these a good reminder that we shouldn't put a label on anything!!
Being shot, screamed at, losing one's job, and getting into a car accident are a few examples of where very little 'positivity' can be gleaned. Sure, 'looking on the bright side of a train wreck' MIGHT be how some people like to look at life... but at a certain point, it's just hell after highwater after disaster after floods & fires: no escape. 😕😔😓
My great grandmother was an uneducated simple woman from a holler in the middle of Bergton, VA. She was a promiscuous woman who would jump from one man to the next probably trying to find some sort of comfort like any of us sometimes do. She had left her boyfriend for a drunkard, a Reedy man known for his poor temperament and his propensity for violence. She continued seeing her previous lover, and when Reedy found out he strangled her to death with a clothes line and dumped her body on a brush pile not far from his trailer on German River Road. She laid there for three weeks before she was discovered. Her body was in an advanced stage of decay from exposure to the July heat. He was suspected of her murder though at the time forensic technology was limited and the investigation had to be dropped. Fast forward several decades later; my father marries a Reedy. She turns out to be the granddaughter of my grandmothers killer. Ironic fate brought us together
I like how Joe actually listens and doesn't care to always one up the other person's stories. He actually instigates conversation and wants the guest to talk about themselves.
True 👈🏻 It's not something he has to think about to do, Even with the most full on guests he subconsciously and consciously evaluates it But he will tell you this himself Most people are good people. Expanding the mind with substances or rituals that keep you grounded... Doing these types of things - once again Either subconsciously or not... There is more than one way to explore, tap into, and then find the path that starts the exploration for who you are ultimately meant to become ...some people just never make those first few simple decisions at the time when live confronts you with them - as in 'a fork in the road' Joe's the best way to observe the best on people. What you see and say "whoa, Joe's the man..." Youre seeing who have in you. And it's even more sweeter because yo get to put your real ''you' onto that type of realistic approach to yourself, which can be construed by people and life - in all the aspects of it I feel we are at a time where it's dangerous to talk about one person who is a public figure Support them of course, but don't fight for them cos there are too many other variables at play that can backfire ( ironically ) of them for the good that they do Supporting Joe, looks to me, as to support those close to him... His friends publicly His family if you know them His business partners if you are associated with them I don't expect this type of idea to be a shock to anyone. But if it makes sense reading it, Then be a better friend to yourself by standing alongside those you know who can empower someone else Keep it positive And it they aren't ...tell them in the strongest opposite way of how you think and feel Something dumb and stupid Like, ".. go and fuck yourself you cocksucker" 🤣
This has become my favourite podcast. I love the vast variety of guests, and the broad topics of discussion. @JoeRogan you need full episodes on UA-cam…WE need full episodes on here!
He says, "Dad" as if he is telling his brain to locate a folder he has opened many times. It's pretty clever, actually. If it wasn't methodical, it might be impossible.
I dont feel that way at all - I lost my dad 4 years ago and the act of calling him "dad" makes me still feel that emotional connection he and I shared as father and son. I lean more into that theoery for his reasoning but it could be either or or something else entirely!
Yes, the key to being incredibly smart but at the same time to be sane is to compartmentalize. Nothing wrong with it, we do this all the time! Breakfast feels different from Dinner? Then you are using this!
There’s some really great comments for this video... This is one of, if not, the best one I’ve seen... Fantastic observation... I have to point that out when I share this story with others who I believe will understand and appreciate the story Chuck just shared...
Holy crap, man... that's an insane story.... like someone said below.... that was rivetting.... I had to listen to the end... a macabre but oddly beautiful telling of horrific events.
Brilliant. Clips like this make me realise why I started listening to this podcast right at the beginning of Joe starting it: his ability to bring the best out of his guests, to choose fantastic guests and have these wonderfully nuanced, educational, touching conversations with no filter, no censorship, no judgement...there's nothing like the JRE. Hats off to his success. Big Tech and the MSM need to realise that REAL human beings when they express themselves truly and fully always exhibit a mixture of the troublesome, the 'problematic' and absolute magic. People (like myself) crave REAL people having REAL conversations. Free speech forever.
plus the Patterson-Gimlin video was real, not sure what the creature was but it was real. Because Tech and spec-fx in 67' were not good enough to fake it. watch 2001 Odessey, see how bad the monkey suits were. Look at harry n the Henderson that was done with a 10m$ budget, P&G was done with 100k$. P&G had no special effects training Rick Baker won an oscar for H&H.
@Ohsew so Frank "The Irishman" Sheeran said he killed jimmy Hoffa so he's telling the truth, so the CIA saying lee Oswald killing Kennedy was also telling the truth, so WMD in Iraq was also the truth, 911 findings were also the truth? Ahuh people lie then.
"Choke" was good. Also read "Damned" but so much of that book was just gross. An entire lake of semen from masturbation!? And that was one of the more mild items. 🤢
Life is a mystery my friend. I can never forget something that happened to my mother. My mother had a sister who almost looked identical to her. Her younger sister. Her name was Ines. (Love you Titi Ines, R.I.P) Well, my mom and aunt Ines were like best friends. They would stay up until 1am laughing, making jokes, chatting. The best of friends. Aunt Ines eventually got cancer. My siblings were in their 20's, I was in my early teens at the time. My mom wanted to go visit my aunt in her dying days, because she was getting worse. She lived in Boston, and we were in NJ. My brothers tried to convince her not to go because they thought she would be fine. I, on the other hand, convinced her to go, and that life is unpredictable. So, on her way she went. When she arrived, the next day, my aunt passed away. We like to believe my aunt was waiting for my mom to finally pass on. Life is a mystery, and we don't always have the answers, But, there is something unexplainable about death, and love.
I've had personal experience and have looked back regarding this person and I totally agree with your perspective on seeing the signs, which then opens a whole new perspective as to how this is.
My mom was murdered by two sicarios (probably) paid by her ex boyfriend who we assume did it out of jealousy as it happened two weeks after she remarried. Two men in a motorcycle pulled up to her restaurant, one of them got off and shot her. We don't know exactly who paid the men in the motorcycle but imagine it was this ex boyfriend who has since died. She was 32.
One of my favorite authors.. If you want a good read, everybody talks about him for Fight Club, but give Survivor and also Haunted a read. Awesome books.
Mr. Palahniuk has such a way of enthralling you with his spoken and written word. I thoroughly enjoy his long form conversations with Joe. I held back a couple tears and I loved that story. I would enjoy sitting down and eating a burger, just chatting.
If he would have said to himself, i was coming down this road just a little bit earlier i could have died, then saying after getting shot if I only could have come earlier to get her I could have lived.
The most incredible Man alive !!! Chuck Palahniuk changed my life and I feel that his existence makes this world worths more … and his stories makes my life more tolerable for living
You can tell how much he was hurting by taking so much time to reflect and make these kinds of connections between his dad's childhood and ultimate demise. That's so tragic, but I'm happy he was able to find comfort in those reflections.
Damn. This lady fell in love with a psycho got him out of prison, assaulted her daughter, then killed her and her boyfriend nowhere did she notice the guy might be unhinged during there time getting to know each other.
How he beautifully yet tragically tells you this story in perfect detail, where he paints a picture for you mentally, is why he’s just an incredible writer.
Mr Ballen youtuber is also a great story teller. Reminded me of him here
@@albertross2456 my ballen is the best
He's still able to tell that story and create the imagery in your mind with spoken word when normally he does it in written word. Man is a true author.
First you learn to write, then you learn to think.
His literal first book was Fight Club, absolutely incredible writer
Joe doesn't get enough credit for not interrupting. And keeping these long format conversations going in ways that really dive into the nitty gritty. If this exact story was told on any other podcast, the host would interrupt and make it funny/about them somehow. Joe keep doing you man.
Little known fact. During his tenure at fear factor if he really liked a contestant or found them more deserving of the price.
He would help them win.
Encourage them more and even ignore things if it helped them.
Bert Kreischer being the absolute worst
@@libertarianpunk8558 him and Schuab
@@shaodynasty1017 lol oh god yeah
%100 tried to watch the nelk pod cast and bob constantly talks over people annoying as
“And I’ll take comfort where I can find it”
For me, probably the most subtly profound thing in this.
agree completely
To even be able to talk about this without breaking down is courageous.
I was coming here to comment on this
It felt like he was building up to something say something else?
I know when I talk about loss and how my family lost someone in a tragic accident, I do have things that I have saved up to say - much like Palahniuk did at the end there. Things like that can come up enough to where it's better if you have things ready to say, and you just tell the story.
"He spent his entire life, looking for the woman "
May your father rest in peace!
My mother was murdered by a registered sex offender who was also her boyfriend. She didn't know he was a sex offender as he kept this to himself, but she did know he was a previous convict. She spent most of her younger years an addict and most of her late adult years picking up the pieces. She was never able to pick up enough of those pieces to not be involved with abusive and manipulative men. She was 50 years old. Rest In Peace Michelle.
I'm sorry that happened. Thank you for sharing that with us, you honor her memory. And I hope you are doing ok
i am so sorry to hear what happened to your mom. hope you live a long, nice, beautiful life brother. my prayers are with you.
Sorry bro. That's sad.
What is really unfortunate is how many men are violent and manipulative lots of people are codependant can't stand to be alone even women who did not have bad childhoods can fall prey to them because you don't expect people to be that way. Women should really be taught about predators from a young age their safety is really in danger but I think they do look for certain things when targeting a potential victim the independent type are probably not preferred but abusers isolate their victims too so then support networks are cut off that's actually a red flag too.
It's should be illegal to be in a relationship without letting it be known that you are a registered sex offender.
Note to self: If giant boulder suddenly and mysteriously blocks your driveway, take the hint and stay home.
It would be weird to reflect on this after some strange series of things. I don't much like this author at all but i wanted to get to hear him out a bit. Best wishes friend. Might be important that we experience this.
I was thinking his guardian angels pushed that rock to stop him from going. But he went anyway.
@@okjoe5561 If the rock wasn't there he wouldn't have been murdered!
Godsent boulders are no match for fresh snatch.
He would have failed the test if he let that stand in his way
This is a wild story. My Dad was murdered too...stabbed by a fellow Heroin addict. Difference for me, is that my Dad was abusive to me, and so his death was rather more like a blessing in my life. So I never got the sense of losing a Father, but rather gaining a future. I sympathize with those who have lost parents which were worth having.
🙏😓 Love & Light❣️🕯️
Beautiful..
Gaining a future...such wisdom
Hope you're doing well, buddy 🖤
Sympathy to you & so true about having parents who were not roll models. I have met people in my town who's parents never taught them anything except for how to blow a meth pipe.
A great way to look at it. Good luck ✊🏽
The way he starts the story with "Dad.." just hits me hard. Clearly this man meant a lot to him and still does. This makes the fact that he shares this entire story so openly even stronger. "Father" is a different word. It's just a biological word to me. "Father" can be absent yet still be your father. A "Dad" is not absent and technically doesn't have to be your biological father.
I hope this was some twist of fate with some higher meaning. That somewhere out there, there is a man that sits around and thinks "Huh, that was an odd turn of events. Oh well.." and goes on enjoying the afterlife. I know this is just likely to be completely nonsense, but one is allowed to think that way. That one can hope and believe that at the time of death you will be given an opportunity to meet with them again -- there can be no bad outcome of this: Either A) You do meet them again and get to experience their presence, voice, personality and everything you loved about them, or B) There's nothing at the moment of death and you will not be aware to be disappointed. This is why I think anyone discouraging hope by hiding behind "science" is a fucking monster. Understand that this is something that might be a driving force for others.
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It’s simplicity makes me ponder the complexities of life.
As an individual who is truly in need to read such kind words, i find it truly amazing to have stumbled upon these beautiful words? Would it be fair state this falls into the category of divine? Absolutely.
Even more beautiful is the fact that the happiness i gained from reading your post has now given me the motivation to pass this same positive energy to someone else.. just a good person being a good person? Perhaps. Or maybe , as you stated, a concept and force beyond our control.
I heard that and knew word for word there would be a comment that said what i was thinking
your last sentence is powerful. Irrational hope vs rational nihilism
I really hope you're right, believe me, I don't want to be right, that there's probably just nothing... Heaven just doesn't seem logical. I wish I could have blind faith but I guess I have some serious trust issues when it comes to what I hear from humans.
Some stories make you stop and look around and appreciate every beautiful thing in your life. This was one of those stories. Props to Chuck for having the strength to share it
Thank god for my normal-ass childhood
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⬆️Elon Musk meets Alex Jones!
😂 👽
I agree I've been lucky my dad is still kicking
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Absolutely 👍🏼
This is why JRE has blown up the way it did, a wide manner of guests and topics and he initiates real conversations!
Exactly
Combined with millions of cliched replies and sycophants in the comments section.
@@BoqPrecision bots, theyre like internet head lice🙄
True, and Chuck Palahniuk is hands down one of his best guests!
Yep, substance
Listening to him retell this story makes me realize why he is my favorite author. Finding the patterns that are stretched out beautifully and tragically throughout time is something only Chuck can do. He's a poet
This is true. Same reason he's a favorite of mine as well.
I love the self awareness he has as he mentioned towards the end that it may all just be coincidence and he's grasping at anything to make sense of it, as well all do to some extent.
To me, this is what the human mind does, try to put things that are in disorder, into order, of some kind, to cope, to assuage the saddened mind into a realm of peace. It's so sad, but we've all had sad, traumatic experiences. And trying to find some sort of poetic cohesion or semblance from the tapestry and woes we all have, I feel, is healthy, for the mind.
A boulder large enough to block a mountain road came down as he was trying to see this woman?
The Universe: Well, I tried.
Right ,? Husband woulda Ben there anyways , probably had her stalked out
No wonder this man is a incredible writer with the pain he must have went through. "There is nothing to writing. All you do is sit down at a typewriter and bleed."
-Ernest Hemingway
As a new (and now, award-winning) writer... yup... I resonate.
*Vulnerability is more valuable than all the money in the world.*
🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
"Before I start, I must see my end.
Destination known, my mind's journey now begins.
Upon my chariot, heart & soul's fate revealed.
In Time, all points converge--hope's strength re-steeled.
But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain,
We must see all in nothingness...
...before we start again."
🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
-- Diamond Dragons (book 1)
Hemingway was not a great man, either.
@@user-cb7jq6rv1j agreed. Wife beating drunk.
@@user-cb7jq6rv1j I'm scrolling down and you're on all of these comments, I seriously doubt Palahniuk did anything to you personally so I'd suggest getting help with your creepy obsession
@@brightspacebabe let's cancel everyone who made mistakes
Tip: When a woman tells you she married a convict, run the other way.
The point is you can't run from fate.
Yup
E l norton no the point is don’t marry a Con. Fate had no involvement in the murder but associating with scum had everything to do with it. Stay away from jailbirds.
@@e.l.norton kismet indeed
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⬆️Elon Musk meets Alex Jones!
😂 👽
Joe is such a great interviewer. He just lets Chuck tell the story, uninterrupted.
How could one, hearing this story!?! 👀
A great interviewer according to you is someone who stays silent. Cool.
When he started the story with “dad, dad…” it touched my heart. He loved his dad so much it sounds. I’m so sad he went through this.
Jesus man what a story. And well told.
He should write novels
This guy only tells stories you don't want to hear, but his style leaves you hanging on every word. At least that's how it is for me
Lots of made up in these stories lol
@@richardjordan9092
True that..😂
@@richardjordan9092 There's a pretty easy way to either substantiate or disprove the claims before making an ambiguous statement about the validity of them
"I'll take comfort where I can find it" better words have never been said..
Wow... amazing story. Sometimes in death we see or feel absolutely amazing things. This was unreal. My mom passed before my dad and had always taken care of him, cooked, cleaned, everything. And when my Dad was very sick with cancer, the last day I visited him, when he could no longer speak or look at me, I got home and asked out loud for my mom to go there and let him know it's ok to let go. And I got an extremely powerful feeling come over my entire body, feet to head, and not even 2 minutes later I got the call that he had passed. So I truly believe that once again, as always in his life, my mom took care of him and helped him across. There's just no other explanation with the feeling and timing of events.
Yeah that's called magical thinking your dead died because he was sick he couldn't even talk he would have died weather your tried to do magic and contact the dead or not
@@leeroberts4850 wow Lee, you’re really out there making a positive difference, huh. Way to go…
@@moonstarsun5293 His life must be miserable enough up to the point he must share his frustrations with people that have nothing to do with his/her predicament. Misery loves company.
@@moonstarsun5293 brooooo😂😂😂 i’m dying at ur response. (But also, Nicholas, thats a very sweet story about a tragic moment, that u shared)
We should all be so blessed as this.
To be honest I can't imagine there are many "normal" stories someone could tell about their father being murdered
The way he refers to his father as “Dad” really makes the story hits different.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed this. Words and language does matter. Chick is great
it still hits creepyaf, but ok
he starts with dad, then uses father
emotionless as he gives full detailed autopsy. Hes either bs'n or just a creep
I find it uncomfortable... I would say "My Dad" or "My father Bob" but using the term Dad to the public is strange to me
Please stop saying hits different because you see morons using it. Be original.
He’s a MASTER
Me: So Chuck, your books are kind of fucked up, why do you think that is?
Chuck: Well I'm not sure. Anyway, let me tell you about my life
@Acceptable Let why does every story this guy tells sound like he invented it & it never happened? The world works in mysterious shways
@Acceptable Let It’s entertaining, not narcissistic
You: oooh narcissism all about me
Me: your a donkey
Right? The details make NO sense. The woman says that her ex said he would kill her and any potential lover so she placed a personal ad. Wtf?
@Acceptable Let you sound like a lot of fun to be around
@@CRLenard No Tinder back then. And why not ? Most Abusive ex threaten their ex all the time, it's nothing new really. You don't expect them to commit actual murder.
The details of the story like the boulder, and the house being clean as a pin, are so sad because it shows how much pain Chuck went through, obsessing over the details and timeline in his head as he grieved and tried to heal.
I hope he was able to at least have some peace knowing that his dad didn’t suffer for too long, and passed before the fire took him. I hate scumbags like the ex husband who believe that they’re entitled to another human being’s life.
I saw another more recent re-telling of this story and he says he tried to understand it "forensically" and that he is certain that the fire is what killed his Dad.
This is literally the most Beautiful tragedy I've heard. That is the perfect Expression of a Karmic journey .
I would call it a proof that fate exists and god exists.
@@anas-432 coincidences are not proof of a god. Logically sometimes something unlikely has to happen, you just don't count all the stuff that *doesn't* happen, obviously.
Everyone is so hesitant to acknowledge the magic that emerges from unconscious patterns and trauma. You get laughed at for saying people create their reality until they realize that most of their lives are just repeats of unresolved trauma that manifests in ways you couldn't make happen even if you tried.
YES!
Mhm.
Yes the only explanation I have on this is the unconscious mind working on the law of attraction
"The Law of Attraction" is neither a law, nor is it based in reality.
In the end, every individual has MUCH less 'control' over their lives than they believe.
When someone has 'success', they take credit. When they 'fail', they blame circumstances. The irony is... circumstances, connections, upbringing, money, luck, height, beauty, weather and more *ALL* play a role into one's life.
Your own actions don't have as much influence as you'd like to believe (well, not scientifically, at least). But... people continue to believe as they wish, of course. 💪😎🤟
@@Novastar.SaberCombat 20 years ago no one knew what fasting was and now everyone and there grandmother's are doing intermittent fasting the muslims have been fasting for hundreds of years even though there was no science on this at that time people who did it and continue to do it will have longer life spans compared to someone who just started doing it science will catch up to these things eventually maybe in our lifetime maybe in a few hundred years I'm not going to wait for science to come around for me to start using something that clearly works
Such a tragic story but a story we as men can learn from. The girlfriend, a lawyer, got her ex out of prison. He then went on to sexually abuse her daughter from her previous marriage. They separate with the ex stipulating that he will end any boyfriend that she has.
Ok guys, listen up. If you are with a woman who's been married twice with an ex who is an ex-felon, sexual abuser, no matter how much you like her it probably will not end well. Don't think bad things won't happen to you. There's a very good chance it will. Not just getting ended but losing a lot of money, mentally abused, losing friendships, losing hobbies. This was an extreme case but bad outcomes are very common. Let's learn from them.
this is good advice. Don't be a hero to someone who doesn't want to be saved. I mean, as a lawyer imagine the choices she had and she went for a prisoner lol. C'mon man!
That's your takeaway??
@@stateyourthesis No. It's not my takeaway. Those are the facts.
@@stateyourthesis ignorant mf trynna get triggered. Foh.
@@stateyourthesis What’s yours?
For any of you who haven't read his books. They feel just like this story. You are taken away into very uncomfortable circumstances but you want to know more and more of what will happen.
I’d love it if Joe got into interviewing people who’ve had near death experiences or one of the authors who’ve studied NDEs. I think those stories would be perfect for Joe to look into…
he already did that. couple of years ago. unfortunately I can't remember the name of the guest.
eben alexander. has a book called ‘proof of heaven’. this is a man i’d love to speak to joe rogan
@@aidanLVbeats absolutely!
@OmniscientSloth One of Joe's recurring guests is Graham Hancock. You probably already know this if you're into NDE's, but in case you don't, Hancock has a channel and he interviews people with near dear experiences.
@@rath6599 I didn’t know he had a channel. That’s awesome! I love Graham Hancock
Those clips start to work on me. I actually do go to spotify now and then to watch the whole thing. Well played Mr. Rogan. Well played.
I don’t. Fuck spotify
@Elder Tree Because I don’t feel like downloading another app creating a username creating a password login and to another platform to look at the same shit.
@@mrlarrybobjr so it's just because you're lazy/a luddite? Is that the same for the rest of you anti Spotify weirdos?
Sellout haha
@@mrlarrybobjr
I thought you would have a legitimate reason 😂
Well damn that’s fucking rough. Can’t imagine how much pain he had to go through to be able to retell it in a public podcast. Even 22 years gone.
none, no one is forcing him
i mean at 22 years past, if you do feel serious pain when retelling a traumatic story; you haven't done anything emotionally. If you manage your emotions and mental well being, you'll have worked through that well before 20 years.
What pain???
@@eliassanchez420wakenbake to process the murder of your father and just be able to retell it like that? I know a few guys who’ve gone through the same shit and they don’t like speaking on it understandingly.
@@vv7299 💯
Wow. That was the most emotional story I have ever heard. My heart goes out to him. Losing a father can...as I have...I can only imagine. Great story... thank you for sharing
I knew this was gonna be a UA-cam clip when I heard it. Deeply saddening story…hit me hard while I listened in my way home from work today. And at the same time….this man’s perception of it all blew my mind. Amazing
My heart breaks for him and his father, what a truly tragic life cycle he went through punctuated by insanity and violence at both ends.
"But I'll take comfort where I can find it." This is some wisdom right here.
No way! He's back!!! One of the best guests on the podcast! We're in for a treat!
Saying “Dad” instead of “my dad” demonstrates how brilliant of a storyteller he is. He pulls you into his world. His dad is ours. Goes to show there’s nothing more human than literature…
The way he's able to put all of the pieces together and explain every detail so viscerally is both fascinating yet deeply terrifying, especially when his tone is so nonchalant describing such a personal tragedy.
He doesn't seem nonchalant at all, he stops himself from getting emotional numerous times
That's what you call being a man and dealing with your emotions
Dude's father was dead in 1999 most definetly had the time to come into terms with it he's not nonchalant but Numb
@@FNsMadman ignoring emotions has nothing to do with me being a man🤦🏾♂️
You used the word ‘ignoring’, I said ‘dealing’. Big difference.
Not surprised that he's an amazing storyteller but goddamn that was riveting
ORORORORO!!! I spend half of my day sleeping! ORORORO!!! Then I sometimes get up and tell you that I am a famous content creatorORORORORO!!! Please don't sleep while driving, dear big
@@RolandSpecialSauce he’s working on a book and testing the story on the often gullible Joe Rogan.... but yeah, sure, he wrote “kismet” on a boulder that just happened to fall into the road 😂
@@kevindube7096 I think Joe was just being nice and not calling BS on some on the stuff he was saying but yeah some of it didn't add up.
@@RolandSpecialSauce Wasn't it a different house? I don't feel like watching the whole thing again, but I thought they were killed when he was picking the woman up
@@kevindube7096 he wrote it after, not before. If he believes in fate, he's gonna see it places
Thank you for sharing!.. full body goosebumps
This MOVED me today. Thank you so much for sharing
Always amazes me how many women fall for convicts.
Law abiding is not sexy.
It's called hybristophilia.
It's one of the reasons "nice guys" don't do well with women.
I don't know why women start relationships with men in prison. It's so bizarre to me. Especially starting a relationship, doing legal work to get them out, marrying them, for them turning out to be a criminal that abuses your daughter.
The guy is a criminal. You met him while he was doing time. What did you expect?
@@scottcantdance804 but hey maybe this time the guy will change!
See ..
Jordan Peterson - 'Why women fall for pirates and vampires.'
astonishing. Chuck is truly a remarkable man living a remarkable life.
plus the Patterson-Gimlin video was real, not sure what the creature was but it was real. Because Tech and spec-fx in 67' were not good enough to fake it. watch 2001 odessey, see how bad the monkey suits were. Look at harry n the Henderson that was done with a 10m$ budget, P&G was done with 100k$.
P&G had no special effects training Rick Baker won an oscar for H&H.
This was fascinating.
I’ve read many of his books and been a fan for a long time, but I had no idea about this aspect of his life.
I love Chuck, his writing is so good, and his ability to tell a story with such clinical yet human details
This is the most substantial interview I’ve ever listened to! Listen to the entire interview! Don’t wait 3 years for the next one.
Thank you Joe for letting him tell his story. It was a gift. I take nothing for granted, and there is always someone who has had more tragedy in their family than you….
Listened to the whole podcast in Spotify.
The conversation was strange yet beautiful in a different way.
Chuck is a good story teller for sure.
I cannot stop appreciating this man for telling such harrowing story without flinching.
Stories like this made me release I been so luckky to have the loving dad, mom and siblings I have. I quit whining about my "tough" childhood, years ago.
I remember doing a book Report on Choke my sophomore year of high school. I got an A but also a talking to from my teacher that if I ever did a report like that again he would suspend me.
Choke is NOT school material, but big props to your teacher for knowing you did it right. I fell in love with Palahniuk in Highschool, there was a girl( I still crush on in our 30's) who was a big fab of his. I dived in head first at Barnes and Noble and spent around $70 on his books. Never told her, but that shaped my life in a way I cannot repay. Thanks Allison, you beautiful soul.
@@gumborambo4540 that is awesome. Palahnik's books are beautiful in a monstrous way. Allison sounds like a person with amazing taste.
Thank you for sharing this story.
So riveting and heartbreaking. Thoughts out to you man 🙏
Omg, your own life just gave you enough drama, enough raw material, so you took it and become an amazing writer... That's not an ordinary story and the way you told it, just gave me goosebumps...
The fact that it’s real is beyond amazing. It sounds like a Tarantino movie
@@DrSpaceman69 dude, its weird. detailed autopsy, casual delivery of said detail...no hint of grief
@@DrSpaceman69 the way he depicted it feels like one of his stories, it is so detailed and whimsicaly colorful, it doesn't feel real, right? But it is...
We always think every mild interruption in our daily life is a hassle and negative thing. Stories are like these a good reminder that we shouldn't put a label on anything!!
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⬆️Elon Musk meets Alex Jones!
😂 👽
Being shot, screamed at, losing one's job, and getting into a car accident are a few examples of where very little 'positivity' can be gleaned.
Sure, 'looking on the bright side of a train wreck' MIGHT be how some people like to look at life... but at a certain point, it's just hell after highwater after disaster after floods & fires: no escape. 😕😔😓
Especially if that label is "Kismet".
Because everyone have their own perspective
My great grandmother was an uneducated simple woman from a holler in the middle of Bergton, VA. She was a promiscuous woman who would jump from one man to the next probably trying to find some sort of comfort like any of us sometimes do. She had left her boyfriend for a drunkard, a Reedy man known for his poor temperament and his propensity for violence. She continued seeing her previous lover, and when Reedy found out he strangled her to death with a clothes line and dumped her body on a brush pile not far from his trailer on German River Road. She laid there for three weeks before she was discovered. Her body was in an advanced stage of decay from exposure to the July heat. He was suspected of her murder though at the time forensic technology was limited and the investigation had to be dropped. Fast forward several decades later; my father marries a Reedy. She turns out to be the granddaughter of my grandmothers killer. Ironic fate brought us together
I like how Joe actually listens and doesn't care to always one up the other person's stories. He actually instigates conversation and wants the guest to talk about themselves.
True 👈🏻
It's not something he has to think about to do,
Even with the most full on guests he subconsciously and consciously evaluates it
But he will tell you this himself
Most people are good people. Expanding the mind with substances or rituals that keep you grounded...
Doing these types of things - once again
Either subconsciously or not...
There is more than one way to explore, tap into, and then find the path that starts the exploration for who you are ultimately meant to become
...some people just never make those first few simple decisions at the time when live confronts you with them - as in 'a fork in the road'
Joe's the best way to observe the best on people. What you see and say "whoa, Joe's the man..."
Youre seeing who have in you. And it's even more sweeter because yo get to put your real ''you' onto that type of realistic approach to yourself, which can be construed by people and life - in all the aspects of it
I feel we are at a time where it's dangerous to talk about one person who is a public figure
Support them of course, but don't fight for them cos there are too many other variables at play that can backfire ( ironically ) of them for the good that they do
Supporting Joe, looks to me, as to support those close to him...
His friends publicly
His family if you know them
His business partners if you are associated with them
I don't expect this type of idea to be a shock to anyone.
But if it makes sense reading it,
Then be a better friend to yourself by standing alongside those you know who can empower someone else
Keep it positive
And it they aren't
...tell them in the strongest opposite way of how you think and feel
Something dumb and stupid
Like, ".. go and fuck yourself you cocksucker" 🤣
Chuck is always so underrated as a guest
I was so waiting for this one! I hope it is as amazing as last time.
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⬆️Elon Musk meets Alex Jones!
😂 👽
Chuck Palahniuk previous appearance on JRE had even more mind blowing stories than this, this man knows how to deliver tales.
This has become my favourite podcast. I love the vast variety of guests, and the broad topics of discussion. @JoeRogan you need full episodes on UA-cam…WE need full episodes on here!
Losing all hope was freedom. You're so powerful Chuck, more power brother.
He says, "Dad" as if he is telling his brain to locate a folder he has opened many times. It's pretty clever, actually. If it wasn't methodical, it might be impossible.
I dont feel that way at all - I lost my dad 4 years ago and the act of calling him "dad" makes me still feel that emotional connection he and I shared as father and son. I lean more into that theoery for his reasoning but it could be either or or something else entirely!
Matrix like
Yes, the key to being incredibly smart but at the same time to be sane is to compartmentalize. Nothing wrong with it, we do this all the time! Breakfast feels different from Dinner? Then you are using this!
There’s some really great comments for this video... This is one of, if not, the best one I’ve seen... Fantastic observation... I have to point that out when I share this story with others who I believe will understand and appreciate the story Chuck just shared...
makes sense, thank you for sharing.
This is usually the story to be scripted, for a movie or book.
But usually the stories we make reflect our experiences.
i nearly dropped my phone watching this - what an incredible perspective; brilliant and haunting story
Holy crap, man... that's an insane story.... like someone said below.... that was rivetting.... I had to listen to the end... a macabre but oddly beautiful telling of horrific events.
Jesus Christ, this is one of the most heartbreaking stories that I’ve ever heard. What an amazing storyteller, beautifully tragic word choice.
Brilliant. Clips like this make me realise why I started listening to this podcast right at the beginning of Joe starting it: his ability to bring the best out of his guests, to choose fantastic guests and have these wonderfully nuanced, educational, touching conversations with no filter, no censorship, no judgement...there's nothing like the JRE. Hats off to his success. Big Tech and the MSM need to realise that REAL human beings when they express themselves truly and fully always exhibit a mixture of the troublesome, the 'problematic' and absolute magic. People (like myself) crave REAL people having REAL conversations. Free speech forever.
His first episode was chilling. He has this way with words, just creeps you out
Chuck is such an awesome story teller. I can listen to him all day.
plus the Patterson-Gimlin video was real, not sure what the creature was but it was real. Because Tech and spec-fx in 67' were not good enough to fake it. watch 2001 Odessey, see how bad the monkey suits were. Look at harry n the Henderson that was done with a 10m$ budget, P&G was done with 100k$.
P&G had no special effects training Rick Baker won an oscar for H&H.
@Ohsew so Frank "The Irishman" Sheeran said he killed jimmy Hoffa so he's telling the truth, so the CIA saying lee Oswald killing Kennedy was also telling the truth, so WMD in Iraq was also the truth, 911 findings were also the truth? Ahuh people lie then.
Chuck's stories are always so terrifying and Intresting, so deep and thoughtful too.
whoah heavy AF , It shall be done. thx for sharing !!!
I saw Chuck speak at an authors event. 3 hours flew by. Dude is just absolutely fantastic
My favorite author no doubt. If you haven’t read any of his books, I cannot recommend it enough.
Rant Casey was recommended to me and did not disappoint
Pretty sure his pronouns are he/him
Wich book would you recommend the most? 🤔
"Choke" was good. Also read "Damned" but so much of that book was just gross. An entire lake of semen from masturbation!? And that was one of the more mild items. 🤢
@@dannyschwertner7785 pretty long delivery times in the netherlands… did you by any change read: One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest?
This is amazing 🙏
Life is a mystery my friend. I can never forget something that happened to my mother. My mother had a sister who almost looked identical to her. Her younger sister. Her name was Ines. (Love you Titi Ines, R.I.P) Well, my mom and aunt Ines were like best friends. They would stay up until 1am laughing, making jokes, chatting. The best of friends. Aunt Ines eventually got cancer. My siblings were in their 20's, I was in my early teens at the time. My mom wanted to go visit my aunt in her dying days, because she was getting worse. She lived in Boston, and we were in NJ. My brothers tried to convince her not to go because they thought she would be fine. I, on the other hand, convinced her to go, and that life is unpredictable. So, on her way she went. When she arrived, the next day, my aunt passed away. We like to believe my aunt was waiting for my mom to finally pass on. Life is a mystery, and we don't always have the answers, But, there is something unexplainable about death, and love.
I've had personal experience and have looked back regarding this person and I totally agree with your perspective on seeing the signs, which then opens a whole new perspective as to how this is.
My mom was murdered by two sicarios (probably) paid by her ex boyfriend who we assume did it out of jealousy as it happened two weeks after she remarried. Two men in a motorcycle pulled up to her restaurant, one of them got off and shot her. We don't know exactly who paid the men in the motorcycle but imagine it was this ex boyfriend who has since died. She was 32.
I'm sorry for your loss, brother.
Hope your doing better mate
I know it may sound a little dumb but she lives on in your memories
One of my favorite authors.. If you want a good read, everybody talks about him for Fight Club, but give Survivor and also Haunted a read. Awesome books.
I put Lullaby up there with Survivor.
Mr. Palahniuk has such a way of enthralling you with his spoken and written word. I thoroughly enjoy his long form conversations with Joe. I held back a couple tears and I loved that story. I would enjoy sitting down and eating a burger, just chatting.
This guy´s perspective on life is just so inspirational........
What a deeply enigmatic story told with such heart and pride
When the boulder rolled in front of me..... I definitely would have taken it as a message to stay.
If he would have said to himself, i was coming down this road just a little bit earlier i could have died, then saying after getting shot if I only could have come earlier to get her I could have lived.
The most incredible
Man alive !!! Chuck Palahniuk changed my life and I feel that his existence makes this world worths more … and his stories makes my life more tolerable for living
Thanks for this!!!!!!!
This persons story telling is simply amazing, really helps you imagine how the whole thing happened
It never seizes to amaze me how many incredible stories get shared with this show.
I love this man, so coherent and open.
This podcast is just soo damn awesome. Thx Joe
That story is freaking heart breaking, man
Fuck now i have to redownload Spotify… i gotta hear this episode
...Chuck Palahnuik...wowzers, no words! My fave author ❤
You can tell how much he was hurting by taking so much time to reflect and make these kinds of connections between his dad's childhood and ultimate demise. That's so tragic, but I'm happy he was able to find comfort in those reflections.
“I’ll take comfort where I can find it”
As we all should.
He didn't mention his father's name. I looked it up. His name is Robert Paulson.
In Project Mayhem, we have no name. It's only in death that we have a name. HIS name....was Robert Paulsen.
Dude ..😂
Who TF calls their father by their first name and last name which is also your own last name.
That would be weird as hell
@@BigBodyBiggolo it's Fight Club reference dude..
A fantastic storyteller. It only take couple of words for him to glue you.
This is so raw and engaging. What a story
Damn. This lady fell in love with a psycho got him out of prison, assaulted her daughter, then killed her and her boyfriend nowhere did she notice the guy might be unhinged during there time getting to know each other.
Our lives truly are the most beautiful & tragic experiences.
What a poetic story and so moving
Awesome clip