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  • @DiamondNestEgg
    @DiamondNestEgg  15 днів тому +16

    CORRECTION: This bond is callable in one year (not two years as stated in the video)
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  • @Chris-bl5fs
    @Chris-bl5fs 15 днів тому +25

    I don’t consider bonds like these investable. For less than about 100bp of premium, the buyer is assuming some serious term risk (being a 2045 term) if interest rates continue to spike higher (given the less than 1 year call feature). Instead I picked up a DB bond offering today (secondary market) with a 5.625 coupon, 6/2031 term and a min call date of 3/2028. YTW on that bond was 5.501% (I paid slightly over par). Yes, 55bp less than the 6.05 coupon, but much less term risk, and less “re-investment risk”.

    • @allia6374
      @allia6374 15 днів тому

      how to know how to measure term risk and re-investment risk on such bonds? so the coupon rate was higher than YTW rate?,, I thought it can not be higher...

    • @Bondbeer
      @Bondbeer 14 днів тому +1

      I just bought a long dated callable agency bond paying 6.3%. I am ok if called in 6 months or getting 6.3% longer is ok as well. But I get your point if you may need the funds you may need to sell at a loss.

    • @pk4459
      @pk4459 14 днів тому +1

      Excellent point, and why I never purchase corporates with maturities longer than 5 years.

    • @ScottA-k4i
      @ScottA-k4i 14 днів тому +1

      All valid points here

  • @MADHIKER777
    @MADHIKER777 14 днів тому +5

    I just bought this bond the day before seeing this video. Your approval gives me confidence in my decision. I'm in retirement.

  • @daveg6530
    @daveg6530 15 днів тому +9

    As always, your presentations get a rating of AAA++++++!

  • @matt1544zxc3
    @matt1544zxc3 15 днів тому +20

    Isn't Jan 2026 in one year? not two?

    • @DiamondNestEgg
      @DiamondNestEgg  15 днів тому +10

      You are correct - we are a year behind

    • @AxioMATlC
      @AxioMATlC 14 днів тому

      Given this, you can get an agency bond for the same yield for a similar first call date. Given a agency bond is much less risky, I don't see the value in this corp bond. If it was two years, I could.
      To be frank, it really changed how excited I was for this. I think it's worth a note on the video or something to correct this mistake

  • @prieten49
    @prieten49 15 днів тому +1

    I immediately looked up what Deutsche Bank was offering in Germany to Euro customers in 2048 maturity bonds. Alas, the DL19WR bond maturing in 4/14/2048 had a coupon of only 3.5% but sold for 80.0 for a yield of 4.96%. I suppose the low price gives you some protection against early calls. But who knows what can happen in the next 23 years! Servus, Markus!

  • @sonarvord
    @sonarvord 15 днів тому +6

    Any tax considerations for income from a foreign bond?

    • @jamesvelvet3612
      @jamesvelvet3612 15 днів тому +1

      Depends. Talk to your tax advisor, not random folks on the internet. She answered your question in the first 2 minutes of the video

  • @MichaelToub
    @MichaelToub 14 днів тому

    Great Video!

  • @et_phonehome_2822
    @et_phonehome_2822 15 днів тому +1

    They were in trouble many years ago when our company absorbed some of its employees and applications, not sure nowadays how they are holding up in the US.

  • @duffman6675
    @duffman6675 15 днів тому +2

    What about the risk that they do not call the bond? In that case, interest rates are higher than what you are getting from them, and you are locked in for the rest of the 20 year term, or if you sell it, you get less than you would if you held it, because your interest rate is less than the current rates.

  • @billt9384
    @billt9384 14 днів тому +1

    DB seems to issue bonds frequently. What are they using all this money for?

  • @lg5308
    @lg5308 15 днів тому +3

    What will happen if after 2026 and before the maturity? Can we cash out the bond during the period? Thank you!

    • @sunlover5150
      @sunlover5150 14 днів тому +1

      There is not that much demand for callable corporate bonds in the secondary market. A buyer is likely to charge you a noticeable premium for liquidity, figure around +/- 2.0%.

  • @ScottA-k4i
    @ScottA-k4i 15 днів тому +5

    What about FHA @ 5.25 10 yr not callable until 2033

    • @Bondbeer
      @Bondbeer 14 днів тому

      The 20 year T Bond just went over 5% and is non callable and easier to sell if needed so .25% more is not enough for me.

  • @danielmarchisella8895
    @danielmarchisella8895 15 днів тому +1

    how are the Bonds taxed, I have mine in a retirement account, does Germany withhold tax ?

    • @allia6374
      @allia6374 15 днів тому

      also interested how foreign bonds of this kind are taxed?

  • @2009duny
    @2009duny 15 днів тому +4

    I will be more cautious in any corporate bond.

    • @danielmarchisella8895
      @danielmarchisella8895 15 днів тому

      I only have a few of those, I remember Credit Suisse No, unfortunately, the bondholders of Credit Suisse were not made whole. Swiss authorities decided to impose losses on Credit Suisse bondholders as part of the bank's rescue plan

  • @pdouglas3866
    @pdouglas3866 15 днів тому +1

    Not all of the Deutsche Bank bonds are Contingent Convertible. I inadvertently bought one that was, but I have 3 others that are not. After the Credit Suisse implosion I have serious concerns about my Contingent Convertible bond and may dump it at a loss in the future should Deutsche Bank appear to be having signs of trouble.

  • @pops3882
    @pops3882 15 днів тому +6

    Don't think I would invest in any long dated bond. 20 years seems like a risk given the amount of debt in the world.

    • @hokie85ee
      @hokie85ee 14 днів тому

      I made rookie mistake of buying extremely long term Deutsche bank new issues based on video on this channel a few months ago...they immediately started falling in value and one is down 7% now... 2 or 3 months ago. 5 plus percent for 30 years in retirement. Sound like a great rate but I'll be 91 by the time that Bond matures now I wouldn't be surprised if interest rates are double digits by then.

  • @loupasternak
    @loupasternak 15 днів тому

    These callables are giving the issuer a 'free' put. Prob not 100% free as presumably they are paying a little bit extra in yield. But they still have full control. The best that can be said is, you CAN sell the CD if you think rates are going to drop BEFORE they call it , and reinvest before that drop happens.

  • @wernerfoerster3666
    @wernerfoerster3666 15 днів тому

    I guess Vanguard doesn't have this one

  • @tk4c415
    @tk4c415 15 днів тому +1

    simple answer for me, nooooooo I would not buy

  • @iseeyou1312
    @iseeyou1312 14 днів тому

    Convertible bonds have the risk of equity in default scenarios with the return of debt. Not worth it. Plus, these bonds will be called anyway.

  • @MrTAFSIYNOT
    @MrTAFSIYNOT 15 днів тому +4

    Remember Credit Suisse? Not for me.

    • @Deltium5683
      @Deltium5683 15 днів тому +2

      That is a truly idiotic comparison and pure hyperbole and demonstrates that you don’t understand the difference between the two.

    • @Chris-bl5fs
      @Chris-bl5fs 15 днів тому +1

      The CS bonds that were allowed to default were bail in bonds. Although theDB bonds are convertible, they are not bail in bonds.

  • @q9r8s7t6u5v4w3x2y1z0
    @q9r8s7t6u5v4w3x2y1z0 15 днів тому +1

    ethical Deutsche Bank bonds ?????

  • @josephbevacqua573
    @josephbevacqua573 15 днів тому +2

    No

  • @lordabhikingfisher8087
    @lordabhikingfisher8087 15 днів тому

    I can't find this... what is the CUPID #?