Solving a tricky sum of square roots (Olympiad practice)

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  • Thanks to Devesh from India for the suggestion! A version of this problem was given in an Olympiad qualifying test.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 768

  • @camembertdalembert6323
    @camembertdalembert6323 3 роки тому +365

    the end can be done in a simpler way. Just add the two starting equations, then factorise. It becomes (x²+y²)(x+y)=365, then replace x+y by 9.

    • @zarinakhatun5574
      @zarinakhatun5574 3 роки тому +16

      Yeah I also solved it in this way

    • @deerh2o
      @deerh2o 3 роки тому +7

      me too -- surprised when Presh went the direction he did.

    • @zdrastvutye
      @zdrastvutye 3 роки тому +5

      yes because 365=182+183 from both equations

    • @ihti20
      @ihti20 3 роки тому +7

      Haven't noticed this comment and posted the same. This step is really natural, I started to solve with it. We can also consider formula x³+y³=(x+y)(x²-xy+y²). After adding (x+y)xy we get it. I always begin solving this sort of problems with adding and subtracting expressions, that helps often.

    • @warfyaa6143
      @warfyaa6143 3 роки тому +1

      yup, I did this.

  • @harshitarora778
    @harshitarora778 3 роки тому +1145

    It's always fun to learn from you fresh limewater!

  • @Maon22
    @Maon22 3 роки тому +511

    Looked difficult but done with simplicity

    • @farrier2708
      @farrier2708 3 роки тому +10

      Your idea of simplicity differs from mine, FiL, by, at the very least, a factor of a^2+b^2,.

    • @SriNu_CSD
      @SriNu_CSD 3 роки тому

      Perfection 👍

    • @finmat95
      @finmat95 3 роки тому +6

      Everything is simple IF YOU KNOW HOW to resolve it

    • @alphabeta2589
      @alphabeta2589 3 роки тому

      @@abirhossainshanto4900 It was a PRMO problem from India if I am not wrong.2017 and grade 8ths were asked to solve

  • @homeliving2462
    @homeliving2462 3 роки тому +291

    This is perfection,Presh!!

  • @NestorAbad
    @NestorAbad 3 роки тому +30

    I love these algebra tricks! 😍
    I followed the same steps as you, but with a little variation in the ending:
    When you get x+y=9 (that is √a+√b=9) then you can do a little trick with the initial equations a√a + b√b = 183 and a√b + b√a = 182: if you add them you get a√a + b√b + a√b + b√a = 365, but the left hand side of this equation factors as (a+b)(√a+√b), so you have (a+b)·9 = 365 and a+b = 365/9.
    Thanks for sharing!

  • @AJain-18
    @AJain-18 3 роки тому +15

    Simple.
    First add them and take out commom. You get : (a + b)(a^.5 + b^.5) = 365
    Then add first eqn and three times the second eqn and take the cube root on both side. You get : (a^.5 + b^.5) = 9
    So a + b = 365/9 and final ans is 73

    • @Skandalos
      @Skandalos 3 роки тому

      Yea, just play around and explore the opportunities. Of course experience helps.

    • @ravineemkarolijoshinainital
      @ravineemkarolijoshinainital 3 роки тому

      @Saumya Bhatt Freedom of speech.

    • @dimitriskontoleon6787
      @dimitriskontoleon6787 3 місяці тому

      Ouaou really cool solution... Yes need experience to just see this, but is really cool one solution.

  • @sadeekmuhammad3646
    @sadeekmuhammad3646 3 роки тому +17

    I really love the way you animate your videos to make any concept clear 😃

    • @walexandre9452
      @walexandre9452 3 роки тому +1

      It's really impressive! I'd like to know the program he is using for animate his videos.

  • @mosesmuchina1308
    @mosesmuchina1308 2 роки тому +5

    i enjoy your easy to understand solutions. Thanks Presh for making mathematics fun and tricky too.

  • @andreassiouras6607
    @andreassiouras6607 3 роки тому +28

    This is the most excited and hyped math has ever gotten me
    Thanks Presh

  • @shelleyweiss9920
    @shelleyweiss9920 3 роки тому +6

    I enjoy your videos so much. I try to solve each problem before watching the solution then compare my solution to yours. On this one I kept laughing as I watched every step I took faithfully presented on the screen!
    Alternative final steps, once you reach x+y=9, substitute in x=9-y to the equation (x^2)y + x(y^2)=182, and get the quadratic x^2 - 9x + 182/9 = 0. By the quadratic formula, x=14/3 or 13/3 (and solve that y=13/3 or 14/3 respectively), thus x and y are 14/3 and 13/3, and x^2 and y^2 are 169/9 and 196/9... the rest is easy arithmetic.
    Excellent problem! Loved it!

  • @EatThatLogic
    @EatThatLogic 3 роки тому +69

    Once we substitute sqrt(a) and sqrt(b), it becomes easy to see where it is headed. Nice solution! 😁

    • @akshaychopra6679
      @akshaychopra6679 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah......Always try to substitute in rational powers....

  • @void.vision-beyond
    @void.vision-beyond 3 роки тому +6

    O my god😯😯
    I'm in class 10th and answer of maths what prof. presh tell is just goes over my head. But, this I understood crystal clear. ✌️✌️
    It was just awesome. 🔥🔥Unbelievable let's and put up's. That was really amazing. Thanks professor 🙏🏻🙏🏻
    The answer and explaintion was just astonishing. ❤️❤️

  • @ex-i9708
    @ex-i9708 3 роки тому +3

    2:53 from here there is a shorter approach
    If we pay attention we can find that the value of (a+b)*(√a+√b) factors to be exactly equal to the sum of the given equations and since we calculated the value of √a+√b (which is 9) then we substitute in the equation
    We get:
    (a+b)*9 = 182+183
    (a+b)=365/9
    9/5 *365/9 the nines cancel out and we are left with 365/5 which is 73.
    Thanks for reading my answer

  • @AliKhanMaths
    @AliKhanMaths 3 роки тому +5

    A super satisfying solution! I strive to be able to solve problems like that, and I share my maths tricks to help others do the same!

  • @gamingmusicandjokesandabit1240
    @gamingmusicandjokesandabit1240 3 роки тому +125

    Apparently partway through I thought we already had the sum of the squares of x and y

    • @BleuSquid
      @BleuSquid 3 роки тому +11

      The sum of the squares isn't the same as the square of the sum.
      e.g.
      2^2 + 3^2 = 4 + 9 = 13,
      (2 + 3)^2 = 5^2 = 25.

    • @gamingmusicandjokesandabit1240
      @gamingmusicandjokesandabit1240 3 роки тому +4

      @@BleuSquidI didn't confuse it, promise 🙂

    • @gamerb-fz1oj
      @gamerb-fz1oj 3 роки тому

      @@gamingmusicandjokesandabit1240 are you confused with the sum of the cubed x and y?
      Cos at 2:23 you see: x^3 +y^3 =183

  • @laurendoe168
    @laurendoe168 3 роки тому +4

    Wow... what a long, but rather simple, route to getting the answer. I loved how substitution eliminated the need to even care that it involved square roots.

  • @jimschneider799
    @jimschneider799 3 роки тому +1

    Nice. I'm not sure if my approach would have counted as simpler or not, but here goes:
    After making the substitutions sqrt(a) = x and sqrt(b) = y to obtain the system:
    (1) x^3 + y^3 = (x + y) (x^2 - x y + y^2) = 183
    (2) x y^2 + x^2 y = (x + y) x y = 182
    Adding (1) and (2) together gives:
    (3) x^3 + x y^2 + x^2 y + y^3 = (x + y) (x^2 + y^2) = 182+183 = 365
    Then, adding (3) and twice (2) together gives:
    (4) x^3 + 3 x y^2 + 3 x^2 y + y^3 = (x + y)^3 = 365 + 2*182 = 729
    Take the cube root of (4) to obtain x + y = 9, then divide (3) by this result to get x^2 + y^2 = a + b = 365/9. Multiply this by 9/5 to get 9/5 (a + b) = 9/5 * 365/9 = 73.//
    I probably wouldn't have thought of this if I hadn't factored (1) and (2) first, and realized that I could add multiples of (2) to (1) to obtain expressions in terms of x+y and x^2+y^2.

  • @sharpmind2869
    @sharpmind2869 3 роки тому +14

    I solved it , this is from prmo 2017.
    Also √a = 14/3 and √b = 13/3 . 👍👍😊😊😉

    • @JohnSmith-kj2od
      @JohnSmith-kj2od 3 роки тому +2

      It was the first question of the paper lol

    • @christopherrice4360
      @christopherrice4360 3 роки тому

      Thank You for saying what square root of a and square root of b equal. I went through the entire UA-cam comment box to see if anyone said what those values were. I'm the type of person who needs every single value solved in order to feel like the Math problem was 100% completely finished.

    • @christopherrice4360
      @christopherrice4360 3 роки тому

      @@marcnye9221 may i please see the actual values of and b by taking the squares of the square root values? I would do it myself but i feel like the calculations might be tricky. Cool how the values of square root of a and square root of b can be reversed.

    • @marcnye9221
      @marcnye9221 3 роки тому

      @@christopherrice4360 After deducing that x+y=9 as in the video, next observe that
      1=183-182
      =(x^3+y^3)-(x*y^2+x^2*y)
      =(x+y)*(x-y)^2
      =9(x-y)^2
      and hence x-y=1/3 or x-y=-1/3. Combine these again with x+y=9 and you can solve for x and y individually. Taking squares gives the corresponding a and b values.

  • @josh-ed4ri
    @josh-ed4ri 11 місяців тому

    A nice alternative starting point is to use the exchange symmetry (x y) to see the two solutions to the system of equations must lie on the line y = -x + c where c is a constant. Plugging this equation into the two given equations leads to c = 9. The rest of the solutions follows in the same way.

  • @bibhuprasadmahananda6986
    @bibhuprasadmahananda6986 3 роки тому +1

    I directly went on to add both equations to get (a+b)(sqrt(a) +sqrt(b)) = 365. Then by the binomial formula... (sqrt(a) + sqrt(b))^3 = a(sqrt(a)) + b(sqrt(b)) +3(a^2)b + 3a(b^2). From the 2 given equations... We have that (sqrt(a) +sqrt(b))^3 = 729. So, sqrt(a) + sqrt(b) = 9....then substituting it back to our previously derived equation (that we obtained upon adding the 2 equations), we get 9(a+b) = 365...dividing 5 on both sides gives the desired result.... That is, 9(a + b)/5 = 73.

  • @anandk9220
    @anandk9220 3 роки тому +2

    Easy question but involves little solving using sum of cubes identity & componendo-dividendo properties.
    After obtaining a/b, substituting the value of (a/b) and its square root gives sqrt(b) = 13/3 and accordingly sqrt(a) = 14/3. Then using those values provides answer as 73.
    All dear friends who aren't comfortable with componendo-dividendo properties, here's the easiest way to solve this problem.
    Two given equations have first equation as sum of two cubic terms √a and √b, while multiplying second equation by 3 and adding that with first one, actually completes expansion of (√a + √b)^3, which is 729.
    So,
    (√a + √b) = 9
    Now factorise second equation to get
    √(ab) = 182/9
    Use above values in first equation and divide both sides by 5 to get answer as 73.
    General solution for RHS of equation 1 and 2 to be 'p' and 'q' respectively with factor in division to be 'k' (as 5 in this case)
    Answer-
    (p + q) ÷ k
    CAN'T GET BETTER THAN THIS !!!
    😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
    EDIT :
    I watched video solution after writing this comment. Happy to see it's the same easiest way to understand for all !!!

  • @thekidslife6523
    @thekidslife6523 3 роки тому +2

    Man really you are some sort of magician you made this tough problem look easy for people like who aren't even good at math.

  • @Wittokun
    @Wittokun 3 роки тому +7

    3:52 At this point, instead of squaring the equation, I factorized the sum of cubes in the given first equation and substitute all known values. Surprisingly, I got the same answers! 😁

    • @colombus2314
      @colombus2314 3 роки тому +1

      Im a pineapple, you have to respect me
      (None sense comment)

    • @TR_Arial
      @TR_Arial 2 роки тому

      That's the fun part in mathematics, there's a lot of different ways to get to the solution.

  • @agnibeshbasu3089
    @agnibeshbasu3089 3 роки тому +53

    This is from the first stage of Indian Math Olympiad called Pre-RMO

  • @ariesmars29
    @ariesmars29 3 роки тому +2

    I love when you say "That's the answer" at the end.

  • @davidjames1684
    @davidjames1684 3 роки тому +1

    A computer program can solve this rather easily. I just looped a and b to be between 10 and 50, checking 0.1 intervals, and it told me a is close to 18.8 and b is close to 21.8 so then I checked from 18.7 to 18.8 and 21.7 to 21.8 with much higher precision, and I could quickly see that a was becoming asymptotic to 18 7/9 and b was becoming asymptotic to 21 7/9, and therefore, the final answer is 73, and we can check that Sqrt(18 7/9) = 4 1/3 + Sqrt(21 7/9) = 4 2/3 is indeed 9. Notice that a + 3 = b.

  • @mcmac8027
    @mcmac8027 3 роки тому +1

    I'm just happy I found this channel. The fun always starts at the start of every video

  • @ihti20
    @ihti20 3 роки тому

    Second part of solution can be done easier: just sum initial expressions and get (x²+y²)(x+y)=365. I came up with more complicated solution first, I got quadratic equation with variable √a/√b. It gives the same answer but can't be evaluated without calculator. I tried to find easy way and managed only when I got annoyed by square roots and got rid of them by the same substitution. Then I saw that Del Ferro's structure and it was done.

  • @iniyangiri2145
    @iniyangiri2145 3 роки тому +2

    Presh i really appreciate your work!

  • @darshraatparsadhraj5583
    @darshraatparsadhraj5583 3 роки тому +6

    If only I can present every Mathematics workings like this instead of writing lines of calculations

  • @DavesTreeFarm
    @DavesTreeFarm 3 роки тому +4

    Such a convoluted process that when he said "That's the answer!"- I couldn't remember the question.

  • @mcmac8027
    @mcmac8027 3 роки тому

    The initial equations
    a√a + b√b = 183 (E1) and
    b√a + a√b = 182 (E2)
    and the required unknown:
    9/5 (a + b) = ? (U1)
    show a close relationship, and luckily they resemble two-point linear equations that usually start by adding them on both sides after substituting
    x = √a (E3) and
    y = √b (E4)
    respectively. Then it follows that
    a = x² and
    b = y²
    Then the sum of equations E1 and E2 is:
    (x²·x + y²·y) + (x²·y + x·y²) = 183 + 182
    It becomes easier now since, after careful rearranging, this resembles the algebraic terms in a binomial expansion of (x + y) to degree 3, except the numerical coefficients do not satisfy this condition. To resolve this, add the terms reflexively to give:
    (x²·x + y²·y) + 3(x²·y + x·y²) = 183 + 3(182)
    x³ + 3x²y + 3xy² + y³ = 729, or
    (x + y)³ = 729
    Also, the required unknown 9/5(a + b)=? already gave a clue which directs the focus to the simplified
    (x + y)³ = 9³
    x + y = 9 (E5)
    Putting back E3 and E4,
    √a + √b = 9
    or
    9 = √a + √b (E6) *9 will be useful later
    It slowly reveals how the problem was constructed, i.e. it evokes the use substitution (oddly between variables and constants) and algebraic factoring in surprisingly simple ways.
    Finally, substituting x and y back to √a and √b will lead to the useful relationship between the first two equations to help find the value of the required unknown. Applying E1 until E6, U1 becomes:
    9/5 (a + b)
    = (√a + √b)/5 · (a + b)
    = 1/5 (√a + √b) (a + b)
    = 1/5 [ (a√a + b√b) + (b√a + a√b) ]
    = 1/5 [ (183) + (182) ]
    = 1/5 (365)
    = 73 ∴
    ---
    The problems presented in this channel requires knowledge and technique combined, while pattern recognition and systematic manipulation come in handy. It is clear how some problems do not require to find the values of some variables.

  • @p.girijapuchhakayala8855
    @p.girijapuchhakayala8855 3 роки тому

    OOOO...Cool problem. Loved it. THANK u PRESH for bringing us these problems.

  • @kusumpandey1754
    @kusumpandey1754 3 роки тому +5

    Every time a new question with new trick encourages my interest of maths 😀

    • @antoniopedrofalcaolopesmor6095
      @antoniopedrofalcaolopesmor6095 3 роки тому

      That is the purpose of these videos, I guess, if everybody feels the same way as you, Presh will certainly have a sense of mission accomplished, thank you Presh for your nice videos!!

    • @kusumpandey1754
      @kusumpandey1754 3 роки тому

      @@antoniopedrofalcaolopesmor6095 yes right

    • @namishbaranwal3522
      @namishbaranwal3522 3 роки тому

      @@antoniopedrofalcaolopesmor6095 agreed

  • @jursamaj
    @jursamaj 2 роки тому +1

    From the 2 equations, we know a & b must be positive, and we can easily determine that they must be less than 32.24. The 1st equation can be rearranged to find that b=(183-a^1.5)^(2/3). Plugging a & b into the second equation, an easy numerical approximation in a spreadsheet finds solution at 18.7777777778. Sure enough, plugging in a=18+7/9 makes an exactly solution. Plugging 18+7/9 & 21+7/9 into the final equation yields 73.
    Never underestimate the value of numerical approximation, then trying the obvious exact value.

  • @deveshswami2739
    @deveshswami2739 3 роки тому +4

    Perfectly done, presh.
    I do appreciate your efforts and love your channel videos. Keep going.

    • @VsukraM
      @VsukraM 3 роки тому +1

      How did you answer 2 months ago

    • @notauser9063
      @notauser9063 3 роки тому

      2 months ago ?!?!

    • @homeliving2462
      @homeliving2462 3 роки тому +1

      @@VsukraM maybe he is the special member of the community getting early-access to the videos.

    • @deveshswami2739
      @deveshswami2739 2 роки тому

      .

    • @deveshswami2739
      @deveshswami2739 2 роки тому

      @@VsukraM I'm the one who gave this problem as suggestion to presh to make video on, so before posting on yt, he gave me the link to this video on yt. This is how...
      AND I'M NOT ANY SPECIAL MEMBER OF COMMUNITY LOL

  • @rahulraveendran5529
    @rahulraveendran5529 3 роки тому +4

    I love Mathematics. It's my first video. Really enjoyed the learning. Since you are explaining the concept slowly it's easy to catch. Thank u very much. God bless you. 👍

  • @jimmykitty
    @jimmykitty 3 роки тому +10

    As Always, You're really Awesome!! Love your works ❤❤ love form Bangladesh 🇧🇩 ❤

    • @Ankit-vn7lq
      @Ankit-vn7lq 3 роки тому +2

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    • @Ankit-vn7lq
      @Ankit-vn7lq 3 роки тому +2

      I saw u there

    • @jimmykitty
      @jimmykitty 3 роки тому +2

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    • @Ankit-vn7lq
      @Ankit-vn7lq 3 роки тому +2

      @@jimmykitty same here 😊😎👍

    • @jimmykitty
      @jimmykitty 3 роки тому +2

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  • @ved9402
    @ved9402 3 роки тому +1

    Problem keeps becomes good, Better, best

  • @kanguru_
    @kanguru_ 11 місяців тому

    Let u=sqrta + sqrtb, v=sqrta-sqrtb; then uv=a-b, u^2+v^2=2(a+b). From the sum and difference of the original 2 equations: uv^2=1 and u(u^2+v^2)/2=365. So u^3/2=365-1/2 and u=9, so u=+-1/3. Then a+b= (81+1/9)/2, so (9/5)*(a+b)= (9/5)*730/2/9=73

  • @atakantrg7895
    @atakantrg7895 Місяць тому

    there is an alternative solution but harder : sum of both equation (a+b)(sqrta+sqrtb)=365 and (a-b).(sqrta-sqrtb)=1 and after substituting x=a+b and y=a-b we get (xy^2=365) by multiplying last 2 equation and (a-b).(sqrta-sqrtb)=1 turns into sqrt(365/x).(sqrt(x-sqrt(x^2-y^2))=1 and after using xy^2=365 in the last equation we get x^3 =(365^3)/729= 365/9 and hence 9/5x=73

  • @prabhakar4654
    @prabhakar4654 3 роки тому +1

    Please solve :
    Integral from 0 to 1 of {ln(X+1)}/x^2 + 1 dx

  • @rmschad5234
    @rmschad5234 3 роки тому +1

    At first I added the equations and factored into (a+b)(sqrt(a)+sqrt(b)). Then I added the first equation and three times the second, noticed the binomial expansion and solved for sqrt(a)+sqrt(b). Finally I substituted the later into the former and had the answer.

    • @manishankarkhetani6378
      @manishankarkhetani6378 3 роки тому

      If (a+b)(√a + √b) = 365
      Clearly 365=5x73
      Then a+ b = 73
      If we put this value as a+b we get 131.4 as ans? I don't know where I went wrong

    • @rakuraa4773
      @rakuraa4773 3 роки тому

      @@manishankarkhetani6378 they have to be real numbers not whole numbers so a+b=365/9 and (a^0.5) +(b^0.5)=9

  • @tobiaskyrion6019
    @tobiaskyrion6019 3 роки тому

    Multiplying the second equation with sqrt(a/b) gives a*sqrt(a) + a*sqrt(b) = 182*sqrt(a/b), similarly b*sqrt(a) + b*sqrt(b) = 182*sqrt(b/a). Adding and using the first equation gives 365 = 182*(a + b)/sqrt(ab) (*). Adding the first and the second equation gives (a + b)*(sqrt(a) + sqrt(b)) = 365, i.e. a + 2*sqrt(ab) + b = 365^2/(a + b)^2, which yields sqrt(ab) = (1/2)*(365^2/(a + b)^2 - (a +b)). Substituting sqrt(ab) in(*) gives 365*(1/2)*(365^2/(a + b)^2 - (a +b)) = 182*(a + b), hence 365^3 = 729*(a + b)^3. The real root of the latter is a + b = 365/9, i.e. (9/5)*(a + b) = 73.

  • @yogtanko
    @yogtanko 3 роки тому +1

    Briliant approach

  • @edal7066
    @edal7066 3 роки тому +2

    square both the equations and subtract them from one another. you get (a-b)(a^2 - b^2) = 183^2 - 182 ^2. Obviously a=183 and b=182 is a possible solution. (9/5)*(a+b) =657

    • @deekshanaik2438
      @deekshanaik2438 3 роки тому

      I got 333 as my ans.... So maybe the mistake is in our solution

    • @edal7066
      @edal7066 3 роки тому

      @@deekshanaik2438 you mean (9/5)(a+b)=333 in your case. what are a and b in your calculations? the initial set of equations is nonlinear meaning it need not have unique solution pair (a,b). so if your pair (a,b) satisfies equation and (9/5)(a+b)=333 as you say then it might be one of possibly many solutions - if your calculated correctly of course.

    • @deekshanaik2438
      @deekshanaik2438 3 роки тому

      @@edal7066 ohh that's true....I'll try again.... Thank you for the knowledge!!

  • @Pak_Tri_Mahardika
    @Pak_Tri_Mahardika 3 роки тому +1

    All the videos on your channel are really cool, may I know what app do you use for presentation?

  • @au2424
    @au2424 3 роки тому

    the second part can be easily done. the method given here is bit more complicated.
    if we add the initial two equations we will get an expression like this
    (a^(1/2)+b^(1/2))(a+b)=365
    from the first part we know, a^(1/2)+b^(1/2)=x+y=9
    So, 9(a+b)=365
    (9/5)(a+b)=73

  • @andregoncalves4083
    @andregoncalves4083 3 роки тому +5

    I solved it in a different way. I matched the top two expressions by adding 1 to the second. The roots will cancel out and the result will be equal to b=a. Then you can solve one of the 2 expressions and discover a and b.

  • @vikramkumar3677
    @vikramkumar3677 3 роки тому +10

    Indians know that this question appeared in 2017 prmo first stage of mathematical Olympiad of India

  • @PHYSICSSIRJEE
    @PHYSICSSIRJEE 3 роки тому +3

    A highly efficient solution 🙂👍🏼

    • @sudoheckbegula
      @sudoheckbegula 3 роки тому +1

      ARE SIR AAP __/\__ ME NS SIR STUDENT

  • @FightAgainstHate
    @FightAgainstHate Рік тому

    Add two main equations, taking common and then put value of √a+√b=9 further simplifying equation then divide both side by 9/5 .
    Finally a+b= 73

  • @gaurav7582
    @gaurav7582 3 роки тому +18

    This question is from PRMO(pre regional mathematics olympiad) in India 🇮🇳

    • @prathampatel1740
      @prathampatel1740 3 роки тому +2

      yeah i was about to say, i remembered doing this exact some question some time ago

    • @neerugupta6762
      @neerugupta6762 3 роки тому +1

      What! I did this question. I am in 9th. And I felt as If I improved in maths and able to solve world problems. But you told it came in prmo.
      Though I tried to take part but my school is not registered.😞.
      I wished I could give this exam. Can I in 10th?

    • @prathampatel1740
      @prathampatel1740 3 роки тому

      @@neerugupta6762 PRMO hasn't happened yet and you can still give the exam, and yes you can give it in 10th 11th and 12th
      and you don't need your school to be registered, just follow Prashant Jain (PJ) sir on yt, and i'm sure you'll learn a lot thorugh PRMO

    • @somadas4704
      @somadas4704 3 роки тому

      Yes exactly

  • @karangupta1825
    @karangupta1825 3 роки тому

    Namaste, Presh.
    My name is Karan Gupta, I am from Ranchi, India.
    Could you please try solving this problem and if possible, then make a video:
    If 2^x=3^y=6^z, then what is the value of:
    1)1/x + 1/y
    2)x, y and z respectively.
    I used logarithms and my answers were:
    1)1/x + 1/y = 1/{Log(2)Log(3)}
    2)x = Log(6)Log(3)
    y = Log(6)Log(2)
    z = Log(2)Log(3)
    I also found that: 1/x + 1/y = 1/z.

  • @kcpal5863
    @kcpal5863 3 роки тому

    Indians are really best in mathematics..
    Thanks dear Devesh..
    And dear Paresh sir..

  • @andreisergeyev273
    @andreisergeyev273 3 роки тому

    This is rather simple equation, which does not require any tricks. The system of two equations (2.23 sec): x^3 + y^3 = 183 and xy^2 + yx^2 = 182 is a symmetric system with respect x and y. It has a regular solution via the substitution x+y = p and xy = q. After this substitution we get: x^3+y^3= (x+y)(x^2-xy +y^2) = p(p^2-q) = 182 and pq = 183. Thus, p^3 = 182 + 3pq = 729. Therefore, p = 9 and q = 182/9. Then, a+b = x^2 +y^2 = p^2 - 2q = 81 - 364/9 = 365/9.

  • @masterhalim8263
    @masterhalim8263 Рік тому

    I like the way you explain it. Students will like this. Thanks a lot.

  • @nirjharnath7395
    @nirjharnath7395 3 роки тому +1

    It's from PRMO 2017 in India

  • @roshannishani1607
    @roshannishani1607 3 роки тому +1

    Presh sir,
    Can you please answer to this question?
    (1) . (3√2-√3) (4√3-√2)
    (2). 4/7+4√3 (this question is in
    P upon Q form)

  • @ayoubkharoub3893
    @ayoubkharoub3893 3 роки тому +1

    Very beautiful equation

  • @PolarO_O
    @PolarO_O 3 роки тому +1

    First question can also be answered as 65 for a and 110 for b

  • @sudoheckbegula
    @sudoheckbegula 3 роки тому +3

    HI PRESH, PLZ CONTINUE THIS OLYMPIAD PRACTICE SERIES AND PROVIDE SOME HARDER PROBLEMS AS YOU DID EARLIER, THAT MIGHT PROVE TO BE VERY USEFUL FOR THE AUDIENCE

    • @dharmendrakishor5483
      @dharmendrakishor5483 3 роки тому +1

      Pj sir student
      Ntse stage 1 qualified
      Class 11 th
      Right ?

    • @sudoheckbegula
      @sudoheckbegula 3 роки тому +1

      @@dharmendrakishor5483 chilla chilla ke sabko scheme bata do xd

    • @dharmendrakishor5483
      @dharmendrakishor5483 3 роки тому

      @@sudoheckbegula XD
      Bhiya ma abhi 10th ma hu Delhi me
      Kya aap mujhe bhi guide karenge Ntse ke liye?
      Aur aap PRMO bhi kiye h kya?

    • @sudoheckbegula
      @sudoheckbegula 3 роки тому

      @@dharmendrakishor5483 nhi bhai prmo nhi kiya h aur guidance ke liye to pjsorop unhone higuide kiya tha ntseke liye aur prmo gawwd to wo hai hi

    • @dharmendrakishor5483
      @dharmendrakishor5483 3 роки тому

      @@sudoheckbegula but pj sir mera phone kabhi nhi uthate and Message ka reply bhi nhi karte, aur es saal unhone ntse ke liye padhaya bhi nhi h! kese baar kru class me baar krte nhi.

  • @MajdAf
    @MajdAf 3 роки тому

    i mean if you substract the two equations you can very simply find that a=b, then replace b by a in the first equation and solve it for a. Then just substitute a and b by their value and get the value of 9/5(a+b).

  • @subhammondal3796
    @subhammondal3796 3 роки тому +8

    This question is from 2017 prmo exam of india...it was a question of 2 marks...i have solved it during my preperation...glad to see it here😁😁

  • @hirasm.b.sinurat9077
    @hirasm.b.sinurat9077 3 роки тому +2

    That was fun to learn with him. Always found a simple solution

  • @parthasarathysridhar567
    @parthasarathysridhar567 3 роки тому

    I got the same answer pausing the video. Thanks for the question.

  • @udayptp
    @udayptp 3 роки тому +4

    Which software do u use for making such videos bro please let me know

  • @angeluomo
    @angeluomo 3 роки тому

    I worked out that, to satisfy both equations, sqrt(a) and sqrt(b) are equal to 39/9 and 42/9 (and vice-versa). The sum of sqrt(a) and sqrt(b) has to equal 9. I don't know if these are the only solutions for sqrt(a) and sqrt(b), but these definitely work. Working through the first equation, you get 74,088/729 + 59,319/729 = 133,407/729 = 183

    • @angeluomo
      @angeluomo 3 роки тому

      This can be simplified further: sqrt(a) and sqrt(b) are equal to 13/3 and 14/3 (interchangeably).

  • @oishiknandi693
    @oishiknandi693 3 роки тому +1

    First time stopped the video and figured out the answer.. Great content !! 👍

  • @iamjustahair1315
    @iamjustahair1315 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks devesh from india

  • @Daniel-ef6gg
    @Daniel-ef6gg 3 роки тому

    After you get x+y=9, the easier way to continue is to add both equations. xxx+xxy+xyy+yyy = xx(x+y)+yy(x+y) = (xx+yy)(x+y) = (a+b)×9=365. Then you can divide both sides to get the answer.

  • @ansarqazi4377
    @ansarqazi4377 3 роки тому

    wao,,, what a question..!!... Nice strategy used...(and also beautiful video effects to show whats going on..!!)

  • @rmela4501
    @rmela4501 3 роки тому +2

    a=196/9 and b=169/9 (also interchangeable, due to symmetry). Credit: wolfram alpha

  • @pavelkotsev1542
    @pavelkotsev1542 2 роки тому

    You can subtract both equations. Then on the right side you get 1. Square the result and you get (a-b)^2.(a+b-2sqrt(ab))=1
    You can first square both equations and then subtract them. You get
    (a-b)^2.(a+b)=365
    Now we know that
    365/(a+b) = 1/(a+b+sqrt(ab))
    Which is easily simplified to
    (a+b)/sqrt(ab) = 365/182
    And that is something :)
    SUPPOSE, just suppose, that
    a+b=365 AND ab=182^2
    182^2=(2.7.13)^2
    The only way a+b=365 is if a=13^2/const and b=14^2/const.
    This const is here because of us WRONGDOING when we SUPPOSED.
    At the end, it will turn out that const=9 but that's not important right now.
    Nevertheless, it is true that
    sqrt(a)/sqrt(b) = 13/14
    And that is something BIG :)
    Now solve as you like - it's easy from now on. Find the actual values. There are no super big numbers from now on and there's also a lot of things that cancel out.
    Hint - it's easy if you use the second equation, because it has 182 and that's why a lot of things cancel out.
    More difficult that the solution in the video, however I thin it requires less thinking IF you spot that 182 = 2.7.13 and then you cannot "distribute" those numbers arbitrary between a and b. A tiny little bit of "numbers theory" actually helped a lot :)

  • @sampathkodi6052
    @sampathkodi6052 3 роки тому +1

    We can square on both sides and subtracting we will get a and b directly

  • @MathZoneKH
    @MathZoneKH 3 роки тому +1

    Great videos!

  • @brightjovanny
    @brightjovanny 3 роки тому +3

    Hello Presh, please which software do you use to make your maths videos?

  • @xa-xii8699
    @xa-xii8699 3 роки тому +1

    Love from India sir
    U are great

  • @charlesdang2557
    @charlesdang2557 3 роки тому

    a delicious problem with a neat solution

  • @m.m750
    @m.m750 3 роки тому +2

    Wow , That's awesome!!!

  • @bledlbledlbledl
    @bledlbledlbledl 3 роки тому

    I took a much more ...haphazard... path to the same answer:
    made a rebol2 function
    f: func[a b][reduce[((a ** 1.5) + (b ** 1.5))((a * square-root b) + (b * square-root a))]]
    then guessed at a and b until function f spit out [183 182]
    (it took me 41 guesses, but when I guessed it, a was 21.77777777777 and b was 18.77777777777)
    after that, the (9 / 5) * (a + b) returned 73

  • @Advocatekamalkumarkarmkar
    @Advocatekamalkumarkarmkar 3 роки тому +43

    Maths is the language , art , pattern of the universe.
    Physics is the law of the universe.
    Chemistry is the reaction and colour of the universe.
    :)

  • @arm9180
    @arm9180 3 роки тому +3

    These are so satisfying

  • @shravanichawathe1358
    @shravanichawathe1358 3 роки тому +1

    This is the second question from prmo exam 2017 . Prmo exam is the first stage in section of the indian team from students of std 8 to 12

  • @iakhon-thegeniusgamer7288
    @iakhon-thegeniusgamer7288 3 роки тому

    There is another way of solving this. After adding the two equations, we will get this equation, (a+b)(root a+ root b)=365. From the second equation (Which is b root a+ a root b= 182), we get this equation, root ab (root a+ root b)=182. We will multiply this equation by 2. The new equation will be 2 root ab (root a+ root b)=364. We will add the first and the third newly found equations. So this will be alike this» (a+b) (root a+ root b)+ 2 root ab (root a+ root b)=365+364 or (root a+ root b) (a+ b+ 2 root ab)= 729. a+ b+ 2 root ab is equal to (root a+ root b) square. So the equation will be (root a + root b) (root a+ root b) square= 729 or (root a+ root b) cube= 729 or root a+ root b =9. We know that (a+b) (root a+ root b)=365. We will put 9 at the spot of root a+ root b. So (a+b) 9=365 or a+b=365/9. The question wanted to know the value of 9/5 (a+b). We will put 365/9 at the spot of a+b. So we will multiply the equation by 9/5. 9/5 (a+b)= 9/5 (365/9) and we will see that 9/5 (a+b) is equal to 73.

  • @azfarahsan
    @azfarahsan 3 роки тому +1

    the auto subtitles almost got your name right

  • @kabirsethi2608
    @kabirsethi2608 3 роки тому +1

    This was a very good question I solved by pausing the video. Thank you for explaining it really well..

  • @allinonebong1177
    @allinonebong1177 3 роки тому +1

    It came in PRMO 2017

  • @exadore2002
    @exadore2002 3 роки тому +1

    Excellent!

  • @satyapalsingh4429
    @satyapalsingh4429 3 роки тому +2

    Heart filled with joy .Explained very well . A lot of thanks to you , dear professor.

  • @shamanjitsingh7267
    @shamanjitsingh7267 3 роки тому

    You would have added two equations after finding that √a + √b =9
    after adding we get a√a+b√b+a√b+b√a=365
    Fatoring we get
    (√a+√b)(a+b)=365
    9(a+b)=365
    9(a+b)/5=73
    This was less complicated.

  • @dhk1126
    @dhk1126 3 роки тому +1

    Nice question and solution!

  • @jamesparochetti5279
    @jamesparochetti5279 3 роки тому +1

    Nice grindy problem, very fun, thank you!

  • @ravitejathatikonda1359
    @ravitejathatikonda1359 3 роки тому

    *Assuming a,b as x², y² looks little wierd. Instead we can show the solution in an easy manner too.
    *Let:
    1st equ as ¥
    2nd equation as $
    Now, substitute the result from (¥+3$) [Factorise] in (¥+$) [Factorise].
    => There you go the answer.

  • @paradoxxie
    @paradoxxie 3 роки тому +9

    I CAN'T BELIEVE I DID IT!!!!!
    This is great You made my day
    Thank you❤

  • @brijeshsrivastava6682
    @brijeshsrivastava6682 3 роки тому +5

    That was WAAYYY easier than I thought!

  • @GlorifiedTruth
    @GlorifiedTruth 2 роки тому

    I dug this the most!

  • @BroseMusic
    @BroseMusic 3 роки тому +2

    Wow, I never get these right and somehow managed to with a different approach. If you square the first and second equations and subtract the second from the first, you can factor the combined equation to:
    (a+b)(a-b)²=365.
    We know that (9/5)(a+b) = x
    Solve for (a+b)
    (a+b) = (5/9)x
    Substitute this into the factored equation we have above and you get:
    (5/9)x(a-b)²=365.
    Divide both sides by 5/9 and you end up with:
    x(a-b)²=73*9
    Since 9 is a square, it must divide (a-b)² which means that 73 must divide x. Since 73 is a prime, x must be equal to 73.

  • @KnowledgeEducationIndia
    @KnowledgeEducationIndia 3 роки тому +1

    Your videos are amazing. 🤩🤩🤩

  • @ApresSavant
    @ApresSavant 3 роки тому

    Why the unnecessarily long solution? Simply add the two expressions, and factor it.
    You get: (a+b)(sqrt(a)+sqrt(b)) = 365.
    Observe 365 has only two factors 5 and 73, thus a+b has to be 73, and sqrt(a)+sqrt(b) has to be 5, which is not correct.
    However given the extra information of (9/5)(a+b), we can scale (sqrt(a)+sqrt(b)) by (5/9) and get an answer that makes more sense in two steps!
    73 can't be the other factor as the sqrt() terms are smaller than the (a+b) terms.

    • @matthewjames7513
      @matthewjames7513 3 роки тому

      "observe 365 has only only two factors 5 and 73". Why assume factoring over the integers?

    • @ApresSavant
      @ApresSavant 3 роки тому

      @@matthewjames7513 because I can, and assumed that they would want a clean answer for the question. You are correct, the answer need not be integers.