I agree. Salt Lake City proper doesn't have a very large footprint, so I think it's just over 200,000 people, but Salt Lake County-essentially the entire Salt Lake Valley-has grown like CRAZY! Same with Utah County to the south, as well as Davis and Weber counties to the north (the entire SL metro area, or "Wasatch Front.") Washington County, nearer to Las Vegas than SLC, in the extreme southwestern corner of the state, is out of control! (Sorry, that reply sort of got away from me, haha.)
I live in Alaska. While Anchorage is loosing people a nearby area has grown over 7% since 2020. Between 2010 and 2022 that same area’s population grew by 26%.
Lake of the Ozarks has certainly grown a lot. Wouldn’t be surprised if we’re responsible for most of Missouri’s growth, since we’ve certainly grown a lot more than the state as a whole.
I'm one of these people who moved from one of the green states (NC) over to a purple state (Illinois). No matter the trend, I fell in love with Chicago and my only regret is not moving here sooner.
I'm from Western Mass and we've had a noticeable influx of New Yorkers due to people escaping the city as a response to the pandemic. And I would say that most of the growth in NH and ME has been an expansion of the Boston metro northward. Large numbers of people commute to Boston every day from southern NH. And with the increase in remote work, many folks have looked for smaller towns to resettle in, particularly if housing is cheaper and more available. So other than the rural areas where young people continue to leave and the population is definitely declining (like where I live), I'd say that Massachusetts is actually on the increase. It's just that the growth is technically across the border. It's essentially as if Gary, Hammond, and South Bend, Indiana gobbled up all the growth in Chicagoland.
For the Midwestern turn around, the big factor would be cost. The popular southern areas are getting a bit more expensive. The shrinking cost of living isn't making up for lower general pay. The midwest + less popular southern states (AL/AR/OK) will probably benefit the most. Property taxes in Texas/insurance in Florida with the rising property values were brutal (pretty much only Hawaii and Alabama had rates low enough to not get as sucker punched by taxes on escalating property values).
The South, in particular NC,SC,TN,GA and especially Florida - is no longer cheap. Couple that with extreme traffic due to cities not being able to handle the increased population, brutal summer heat and some nasty hurricanes - and I'm thinking we'll see something of a reverse exodus back to parts of the Midwest and Northeast.
@@vincentfalcone9218this is just wishful thinking. The south is in no way too expensive to live in. In most of the states you named, there maybe 2 cities that are primarily even driving growth, thus relating to how expensive things are. There are medium sized cities in each of these states that are not the charlottes, atlantas, nashvilles, etc where the population can increase while the cost of living doesn’t shoot up dramatically. Pensacola, FL, Huntsville, AL, Savannah, GA, Greenville, SC. The big cities will continue to get people because jobs continue to locate there, and the medium sized cities will continue to attract people who want an affordable life and not having to be in a multi million person metro area. I do agree that the Midwest will eventually turn around and begin to recover population, but the majority of the Midwest’s main cities are still in population free fall such as Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh. Even if those cities find ways to stop the bleeding and begin to recover, that will take decades. It would take generations to recover the populations they had in the 50s. Cities like Youngstown, Toledo, Gary, Dayton, Eerie will have a much tougher battle than the larger cities in staging comebacks.
The big factor for any population changes will be cost. Basically the first question a person will ask themselves is: how shitty of a location can I tolerate for cheap rent?
@@natebryars732it may take decades for STL to reach its old city population, but STL will be on the rise. Many large projects beginning, awesome and classic city architecture at half of even Chicago prices. Right now STL downtown is hurting, but they are actively planning a come back. Also, the metro is cool with nice burbs. Chicago is underrated by most on the interwebs...we visit often and its looking great. Also many major projects (the 78 neighborhood, Lincoln Yards, new Sox and Bears stadiums), and more coming. Look for Northern KY and Cincinnati also to improve. Many are noticing these are great places and affordable. For us, we observe many moving out of the stand alone Midwestern towns.... not enough jobs, not enough to do, and way too much conservative negativity....its very unattractive and these are the main reasons we're probably leaving in a few years. FL is overrated...the hurricanes and extreme summer heat....who wants to deal with that when on the opposite the Midwestern winters aren't that bad anymore? Just my (our) 2 cents.
@@natebryars732 The issues are hitting the mid-size cities as well. Knoxville, Greenville (SC), Chattanooga, Charleston, Asheville and many more - all have experienced skyrocketing rent/home price increases and traffic well beyond what the roads can handle.
And in the Midwest the winters aren't as cold either. I am an avid golfer and have played multiple rounds in January and February in the metro Detroit area. The low to mid 40's isn't warm but it isn't frigid either.
I really appreciate that you say "This is just my hypothesis" instead of "this is my theory". I know that I'm sort of knit-picking, but semantics matter. (I guess I'm a word nerd as well as a geography nerd).
Oh, nice! A map I've contributed to. =p I moved from Chicago, IL to Salt Lake City, UT back in 2021. Loving it here, and the taxes are even higher than IL! Fortunately, my income has increased by $20k, too. Love the channel, Kyle. Keep up the good work.
(I don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk, so please understand that I'm just teasing you a little, but . . .) The map is color coded, the states are all marked, and he explained the areas he was talking about by using cardinal directions-northeast, southeast, etc. Unless you aren't from The States, in which case I can understand how it would be confusing. 😉
Thanks for the presentation. I grew up in Florida and purposefully live twenty miles inland from the Gulf. With three hurricanes, it will be interesting to watch for any population changes. Home insurance rates have been increasing and will most likely accelerate. I would not be surprised to see a migration away from coastal areas and even out of the state. The original coastal native Floridians built shell mounds. Some mounds were ceremonial , but mounds may also have been storm shelters.
Not only will property insurers raise rates, most non government sponsored insurers have completely left the state. You’re going to basically have to get a government subsidized insurance plan (much like they already have but scaled way up) in order to insure property there. The only issue being is that it’s going to be insanely expensive when they can’t spread out their losses.
@@jordanl69MAGA Florida isn’t going to government subsidize anything since it would require massive tax increases. The state is unsustainable given the current politics there.
I moved to FL in 2022 ( FWB) and moved out in 2023. Sold everything including a brand new built house that had a 2.75% mortgage. The Panhandle is a craphole.
@@Dangic23 My sister and her husband live in a big camping trailer about 25 miles from the Florida coast from November to April, then in another big camping trailer in upper NY State from May to October. Her husband does construction work both places. I see a future with more cheap homes not insured, often bought used, and the Rush Limpballs in big mansions they are self insuring with their millions in investments and other homes.
Vermont has kind of grown during the pandemic! The Burlington area is the largest "metro" but its still so small. Its like 100,000-200,000 the size of a suburb
Maine's growth I believe is because of remote work, proximity to nature, proximity to large metros on the east coast, while remaining center-left in politics. It can also still be pretty cheap compared to other places in that region.
Remote work. Cost of living. Affordability. Proximity to fun places. Being around like-minded neighbors. Those 5 contribute to what Kyle discussed IMO.
#3 and #4. If you look at that map those are all just really nice, fun states to live in. California should be in dark green too, but it's just not affordable and has too many problems, which lower the appeal of it.
@@BillDotreewhere I grew up. Taxes are high in NY State, but if you can find a job it likely pays more than cheaper states. I moved to Kentucky in 1991 for a new job, and am still there. Upper NY State has better weather June to August, and Kentucky has better weather November to March.
@@BillDotree I never know if someone saying upstate NY is talking about Orange County, Oneida County, or Clinton County, because those all have very different scores on those 5 categories.
I'm calling it now, at some point in the next 50 years the rust belt states are going to make a big comeback. They are the old cities that were still built to human scale so they still have walkable city centers and suburbs. If the projections are right that states like mine will officially become tropical, those states will be more comfortable for people who don't like being hot. You can still find cheap real estate in rust belt cities. I follow a creator in Utica, NY and I think she said their population is like 70k but the city has the infrastructure for like 250k. That's crazy.
I'd love to see an XmR Chart of populations for each state to see what the trends have been over the last 100 years or so and if the latest data points are within those trends or if they are outside of control.
Eventually there won’t be anywhere in the country with cheap cost of living. Sad to see Wyoming and South Dakota booming, those have been very cheap places to live in the past
@@BillDotree I’m hoping there’s an in state migration upstate over the course of the next couple decades. I know we’re gonna be a climate haven when shit really hits the fan so I’m interested to see how our economies start to boom
Kyle, is there a big difference in average number of kids for states like California vs Oklahoma? Curious if that impacts the population patterns much.
Good question! I live in Utah, where it's not uncommon to see families with 4, 5, 6, or even more kids. Not statewide, but definitely in certain pockets of the state. Park City: very few kids. Utah County/Provo: TOO MANY KIDS. 🤣 My parents' neighborhood in Utah County is brimming with kids, whereas my neighborhood in Salt Lake City proper has far fewer. I've lived there for 22 years and never had a single trick-or-treater.
Massachusetts resident here, what you have to understand is that it is very expensive to live here, and on top of that we aren't building nearly enough housing thankfully the state has made it actually desirable to have kids here? I'm noting a huge amount of little ones in my neighborhood. People seem to think Massachusetts is a great place to start a family
People have money in MA and it's a fairly low crime state. At least it is compared to southern states. Great healthcare, schools and a lot to do in the region. I'd live there, but it's just far too expensive.
Writing from Visalia, California here. I was wondering if you could please make a video on the Cross Valley Corridor and the California High Speed Rail?
Do you follow City Nerd? He's an urbanism 'Tuber and has some interesting videos about that sort of thing (and the driest sense of humor I've ever seen🤣).
I imagine the post-COVID remote boom was the biggest hit for the massive tier 1 cities like NYC, LA, and SF. How many people were staying in those sort of metros solely because they had high-paying jobs that didn’t exist anywhere else?
I see 2 big factors- where retirees and mobile workers want to move to, and second where a new factory or new big office building is built, for hundreds of new job openings.
I agree with much of what you're saying. About zero State income tax, I moved to Texas in 2018 and their zero State income tax was attractive but wow, the sales tax is high. They're also aggressive increasing property assessments to get higher real estate tax revenue. Even as a renter we have had our rent increased due to higher real estate tax. So moving to an income tax free State to save money is a fallacy. And as far as the sales tax goes, it is a very regressive tax. It affects the poor disproportionately to the rich, especially where some food and all clothes are taxed like in Texas. The poor and the middle class are spending a larger proportion of their income on these necessities than the rich.
This was a very interesting video and I have no oversimplified opinions about any of it. Except for the half-dozen or so (mostly) polite replies I wrote while *hockey-game-drunk last night. * - Hockey-drunk is above basketball-drunk, but below soccer-drunk. Soccer-drunk is a skootch below getting-thrown-out-of-a-bar-drunk. Individual results may vary based on whether you live in a red state or a blue state. (Which is a bullsh*t variable that I just made up because that doesn't really factor into this as heavily as some people seem to think it does. Alcoholism is much more nuanced than something so logically reductive and reactionary.)
A lot of these changes can simply be explained by migration out of the states where the population is too large and thus the cost of living is too high while the availability of housing is too low. This is a pattern you see throughout history. People migrate to highly attractive areas with great social policies until the presence of too many people start to raise the cost of living beyond what most people can afford, and then once a tipping point happens migration flows out from those highly attractive and successful places into the surrounding areas . . . changing the population demographics of places like Maine, Nevada, Arizona, etc . . . Usually the growth areas would be nearby but with the availability of long distance travel we see a lot of people from New York traveling further south along the east coast to avoid the rust belt which still has a bad reputation.
I wonder why Maine is growing in population to such a high degree. It's a very high tax state. We moved here from the southeast, and I've yet to meet another southerner willing to put up with the harsh New England Winters.
"Fewer immigrants have been coming in the last few years* Yeah.. um.. I stopped watching there.. that is just a glaring blind spot. Like, where has he been?
I think the biggest surprise for the next five years is going to be Iowa; every time I go there it's just booming. There' is going to be a population increase that goes along with that.
West Virginia's unpopularity seems surprising. For all the fuss people make about moving out west to take advantage of amazing topography and outdoor stuff, they could find alot of the same features in WV. Mountains, ski resorts, miles and miles of mtb and hiking trails, kayaking, motocross, hunting. I live in Oregon but somehow WV seems more wild and untouched. Obviously there are social and economic issues to overcome but what state doesn't have that?
You guys are proving my point. For a state that is basically 100 percent mountains, WV's outdoor leisure industry is sporadic. Look at NC or Tennessee or even Arkansas, arguably Americas mtb capital. WV has something none of those states have tho, lots of snow. Davis is starting to get the message and so is Elkins. Good video Kyle.
West Virginia is a beautiful state with surprisingly few opportunities to enjoy it relative to the potential areas of interest. There has only been a small amount of land set aside as parks or wilderness. There's always been the mentality that "there might be coal there" so don't protect it. New River Gorge just became a National Park a few years ago. It was a "National Scenic River" before, but it could've/should've been a NP 100 years ago. The younger generation is more interested in protecting the wilderness of the state, but coal is still king in WV even into 2025.
The present tax rates in some states are changing. In the state I live the income tax is headed to being a flat tax and retirees do not pay state taxes on pensions, 401Ks, and social security. Retirees receive 2 credits on property taxes as well. This keeps retirees from moving to no income tax states. You can take a nice vacation from winter when you don't pay state taxes on income.
A lot of people died WITH c-vd. Also, Florida had increased by 4.7% from 2020. 2020 population was 21.6 million, and 2023 population was 22.6 Million. Source data from macrotrends/global-metrics/states/florida/population
Instead comparing taxes, compare cost of living. That's what drive people further. We left Denver co for middle of PA because the pay was comparable to lower col.
My hypothesis is that people are just moving away from cities. With so much full and partial remote work, and so many products available to purchase online, the benefits of the city is in decline.
That's not really true. Some cities are losing population but others are growing tremendously. There is massive population loss from a lot of rural areas, as well as growth to other rural areas in different areas.
When a community figures out how to best maintain a healthy economy despite a population stall or decrease it's going to change the USA. I say this because a lot of communities, especially the ones here in central Florida want to hit a sweet spot in population and then stay there, as in no knew developments, no new malls, no new attractions to attract tourists from out of state. Sure it might be economically unrealistic, but that's just what the majority of people want in that area.
Depending on source, Oregon either marginally lost or gained population. Portland State University's numbers are what the state uses and they said Oregon actually gained 23k in 2023. The census says we lost ppl so they're at odds with one another. Based on the amount of time I sit in traffic we have LOTS of ppl. 😂
I think Oregon is more of a "correction" than anything else. (And I suspect that most of the loss is in Portland, and the east side suburbs) For a while, Oregon was one of the most desirable places to move to, but we didn't really have sufficient available housing for all the people wanting to move here. Then we had the George Floyd protests every night for over a year.
@kjhuang I believe because of them Portland started no cash bail and the BLM-backed DA quit prosecuting. Simultaneously, oregon legalized all drugs. It was a perfect storm.
If you exclude the economic and societal problems, I believe one of the biggest reasons for the changes is that people are just tired of cold climates.
Economics trump all. Most people would choose a cold state with jobs/cheapness than a warm state without (e.g. Louisiana). Deciding based on climate is a luxury fewer and fewer people can afford, unless we're taking about a climate situation that has direct financial impact like flood insurance in Florida.
Would like to add, because many have forgotten, but the boom in South Dakota had to do with the way Governor Kristi Noem ran the state during Covid. It was the only state that was open in the country, which she was dragged through the mud for on MSM. I would know because I moved from California to SD in Aug 2020 because of her decisions. Ask anyone who moved here and you will hear Noem's name come up. Yes, it has no state income tax, but that's not the driver I can assure you.
Kristi gained notoriety for killing a puppy because she was too impatient to learn how to train it properly. It's the owner that really learns new behavior patterns if a dog is to be trained right. But some people should never own a dog just like some people should never have kids!!
If I'm not mistaken, if you work remotely in a different state from where your office is located, most states will require you pay income tax in the state where your job is based. This isn't universal, but it is common.
NC expects you to claim income made in other states - it might only be if you didn't pay taxes to that state but I forget off hand. What I do remember is that if you buy goods in a non sales tax state, NC expects you to pay them the taxes lol
The problem with only looking at income tax is the states get you other ways. I moved from the midwest to FL where there's no income tax, but the insurance is 3-4x as expensive so I'm no better off. Have to look at everything. If you're median income or under you'll be no better off. High income is really beneficial to move to a no income tax state though!
I think the US should have a population of at least 500 million people. Birth rates and immigration should rise to at least 2% a year and this would lead to higher economic growth.
@@suprensa4393 yeah but as stated in the video and on news articles, the countries demographics are changing. In the future there will be a smaller workforce and a large elderly population which would cause problems in society. Higher expenditure on healthcare and welfare, a shrinking tax base and lower productivity just to name a few
@@TheLiamsterSmaller workforce is due to the AI/machine revolution. In the future machines will take care of elites (elderly or not) while everyone else starves in the streets.
@@TheLiamster As long as a certain segment of our population is hysterical about certain minorities moving to this country then this country will continue to grow old with an inadequate number of younger people to work and care for the aging population. Europe is the same fix with countries full on xenophobic!!
Most of it is simple math. The cost of living for people who can work remotely is a huge reason to leave cold expensive cities like New York and Chicago. Retirement savings go farther in the south.
I understand that South Dakota is a zero income tax state and that people would move there for that reason if they can work remotely. But I have to wonder that they could move to a warmer climate if they could live anywhere. I wonder if the population increase is due to the availability of jobs there. I know their population has been increasing for decades because of the availability of jobs and the low cost of living.
Population loss is very toxic to a society. You also start having to deal with a dwindling resource base and less investment. A major headache for places that has experienced loss is that you still have the roads and infrastructure to support a larger population, letting it rot isn’t great, but you have fewer and fewer people to pay for it. When places start shrinking more and more people start leaving too which only makes the problems worse. Never forget that your wages are a “price” for someone else. In a way it’s like inflation. You always kind of want a little bit, but just not so much that you notice it. Deflation actually ends up being catastrophic for any period of time and rapid growth can also be challenging. Humans like slow and steady.
Population decrease puts a lot pressure to reduce government spending. We won’t have the tax base to support government spending like Medicare and especially social security.
I found it very interesting that you state one of the three major reasons for the slow population growth nationwide is that fewer immigrants have come to the US in the past few years. Can you share the source from which you draw that conclusion? If the rhetoric of one particular political faction is to be accepted as truth, we've been inundated with immigrants of all sorts, especially "illegal immigrants," over the past four years. If the statistics don't align with their rhetoric, that's an important fact that needs to be made more universally understood. I'd love to see an analysis of annual immigration statistics for the past few decades.
The only reason the US is gaining population is because of immigration. Otherwise the growth rate is below the replacement rate or fertility rate for the country. Fertility rate must be above 2.1 for a population to increase. Not counting immigration the fertility rate is below 2.1. 1.62 according to several sites online. Some countries in Europe, South Korea and others are even lower.
I am sure those people who can work remotely work for tech companies. They tend to have offices in multiple states (hint Austin, TX). It is easy to move their payroll to another state.
@thedopplereffect00 I don’t know which one is false. But some states will tax your income even if you reside in another state. NY is one of them. If you work in NY and live in NJ, you still pay NY state income tax. Don’t know CA situation. But I hear they will try to “link” you to CA in some way just to be able to tax you.
@@chefnyc it's based on where you physically work. If you work remotely, but earn income from a company in another state, you don't pay income tax to that state
A couple of other factors perhaps causing people to not want to have kids during covid are health safety reasons and the difficulty of raising children during covid. It's ridiculous that we talk about shrinking population as being bad. If economists worry that places aren't growing, that just means we have a flawed economic model. We need to shrink population to respond to changing world climates. Also, did it bug anyone lese that AL and CT are so off center?
I’d be interested to see this same map where the fill value is the total number of people migrating instead of proportion of people since like you said, this map gives a false impression that everyone is moving to the west where nobody lives!
@@sandtoy11510 😂😅. That depends on WHERE you spend that week or two. I have lived in New Mexico for 30 years from Santa Fe, Albuquerque and now down in Las Cruces which is a very livable city with all of the amenities of a big city. Since you have a negative attitude about NM do you really need to be reminded that every state has issues and problems. What state do you come from, I'll let you know some things many people would not want to live with there. And there is also considerable variation within each state. Many people don't care for Albuquerque but found many other places are just what they are looking for as I have.
You're just the person needed, Kyle, to start a movement of calling the areas correctly. Ohio isn't the midwest any more, it's the mid-east, for example. Midwest is Colorado.
@@AlexmanFore Most of that is negligible. Retired but not rich= taxes are minimal. Lots of breaks for seniors. I've lived in 5 states, very little difference at the end of the year for retirees. But, NYers and Californians sell out and move with big payouts. The can afford to. The south cannot.
20 million is an exaggeration. It is more like 12 million. And they are not 'illegals' they are human beings who have tried to escape horrendous violence and abusive circumstances in their home countries. And the US is partly responsible for those horrendous conditions with foreign policy back in the later half of the 20th century installing repressive governments all over Latin America. Add to that is the proliferation of guns in this country led to guns exported them across the border. So in essence the violence from the proliferation of guns in this country was exported over the border. This allowed the drug gangs to take over large parts of the country. The moral to this story is stop blaming the so called 'illegals' and look at the root cause of the problem!! That's the only way to solve any problem!!
Census 2020 was not completed, therefore ANY data from that period is suspect. The 2030 Census (IF there is one) will be a big surprise to everybody. Well, not everybody.
I would be curious to see this same map done by county (or parish) to see the areas of each state that gained or lost.
I agree. Salt Lake City proper doesn't have a very large footprint, so I think it's just over 200,000 people, but Salt Lake County-essentially the entire Salt Lake Valley-has grown like CRAZY! Same with Utah County to the south, as well as Davis and Weber counties to the north (the entire SL metro area, or "Wasatch Front.") Washington County, nearer to Las Vegas than SLC, in the extreme southwestern corner of the state, is out of control!
(Sorry, that reply sort of got away from me, haha.)
I live in Alaska. While Anchorage is loosing people a nearby area has grown over 7% since 2020. Between 2010 and 2022 that same area’s population grew by 26%.
Lake of the Ozarks has certainly grown a lot. Wouldn’t be surprised if we’re responsible for most of Missouri’s growth, since we’ve certainly grown a lot more than the state as a whole.
Agree
Does this include Biden's newcomers
This map would be more interesting at the county level
Kinda but it would be a 3 hour video 😊
I'm one of these people who moved from one of the green states (NC) over to a purple state (Illinois). No matter the trend, I fell in love with Chicago and my only regret is not moving here sooner.
I'm from Western Mass and we've had a noticeable influx of New Yorkers due to people escaping the city as a response to the pandemic. And I would say that most of the growth in NH and ME has been an expansion of the Boston metro northward. Large numbers of people commute to Boston every day from southern NH. And with the increase in remote work, many folks have looked for smaller towns to resettle in, particularly if housing is cheaper and more available. So other than the rural areas where young people continue to leave and the population is definitely declining (like where I live), I'd say that Massachusetts is actually on the increase. It's just that the growth is technically across the border. It's essentially as if Gary, Hammond, and South Bend, Indiana gobbled up all the growth in Chicagoland.
People didn't leave a state due to a "pandemic" they left because of tyrannical governments
They say we’re massing up those states, which means we’re making those states better
People are leaving Massachusetts due to insane taxes and high crime
For the Midwestern turn around, the big factor would be cost. The popular southern areas are getting a bit more expensive. The shrinking cost of living isn't making up for lower general pay. The midwest + less popular southern states (AL/AR/OK) will probably benefit the most. Property taxes in Texas/insurance in Florida with the rising property values were brutal (pretty much only Hawaii and Alabama had rates low enough to not get as sucker punched by taxes on escalating property values).
The South, in particular NC,SC,TN,GA and especially Florida - is no longer cheap. Couple that with extreme traffic due to cities not being able to handle the increased population, brutal summer heat and some nasty hurricanes - and I'm thinking we'll see something of a reverse exodus back to parts of the Midwest and Northeast.
@@vincentfalcone9218this is just wishful thinking. The south is in no way too expensive to live in. In most of the states you named, there maybe 2 cities that are primarily even driving growth, thus relating to how expensive things are. There are medium sized cities in each of these states that are not the charlottes, atlantas, nashvilles, etc where the population can increase while the cost of living doesn’t shoot up dramatically. Pensacola, FL, Huntsville, AL, Savannah, GA, Greenville, SC. The big cities will continue to get people because jobs continue to locate there, and the medium sized cities will continue to attract people who want an affordable life and not having to be in a multi million person metro area.
I do agree that the Midwest will eventually turn around and begin to recover population, but the majority of the Midwest’s main cities are still in population free fall such as Cleveland, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Milwaukee, Pittsburgh. Even if those cities find ways to stop the bleeding and begin to recover, that will take decades. It would take generations to recover the populations they had in the 50s. Cities like Youngstown, Toledo, Gary, Dayton, Eerie will have a much tougher battle than the larger cities in staging comebacks.
The big factor for any population changes will be cost. Basically the first question a person will ask themselves is: how shitty of a location can I tolerate for cheap rent?
@@natebryars732it may take decades for STL to reach its old city population, but STL will be on the rise. Many large projects beginning, awesome and classic city architecture at half of even Chicago prices. Right now STL downtown is hurting, but they are actively planning a come back. Also, the metro is cool with nice burbs.
Chicago is underrated by most on the interwebs...we visit often and its looking great. Also many major projects (the 78 neighborhood, Lincoln Yards, new Sox and Bears stadiums), and more coming.
Look for Northern KY and Cincinnati also to improve. Many are noticing these are great places and affordable.
For us, we observe many moving out of the stand alone Midwestern towns.... not enough jobs, not enough to do, and way too much conservative negativity....its very unattractive and these are the main reasons we're probably leaving in a few years.
FL is overrated...the hurricanes and extreme summer heat....who wants to deal with that when on the opposite the Midwestern winters aren't that bad anymore?
Just my (our) 2 cents.
@@natebryars732 The issues are hitting the mid-size cities as well. Knoxville, Greenville (SC), Chattanooga, Charleston, Asheville and many more - all have experienced skyrocketing rent/home price increases and traffic well beyond what the roads can handle.
Great video Kyle! Would be interesting to see this at the county level to see the gain/loss by area in each state.
And in the Midwest the winters aren't as cold either. I am an avid golfer and have played multiple rounds in January and February in the metro Detroit area. The low to mid 40's isn't warm but it isn't frigid either.
Typical England and West continental European winter temps
I really appreciate that you say "This is just my hypothesis" instead of "this is my theory". I know that I'm sort of knit-picking, but semantics matter. (I guess I'm a word nerd as well as a geography nerd).
It's "nit-picking". 🤦♀
@@VanillaMacaron551 Thank you- lice eggs, not knitting, my bad
We formerly lived in Delaware. Lots of retirees moving into Sussex County from NYC/Long Island, Pennsylvania, and the DC metro.
Oh, nice! A map I've contributed to. =p I moved from Chicago, IL to Salt Lake City, UT back in 2021. Loving it here, and the taxes are even higher than IL! Fortunately, my income has increased by $20k, too. Love the channel, Kyle. Keep up the good work.
One thing is that the percentages tell a relative story, it would have been interesting to actually have the absolute numbers to compliment.
Exactly, 9% of 100,000 is more than 11% of 70,000. Percentages go down, but it doesn't tell the entire story.
5% of India's population is 72.6 million. 5% of the US population is 17.3 million
ebjoyed the video a lot. suggestion for the next time you do this, maybe occasionaly circle or mark with arrows where you sre talking about
(I don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk, so please understand that I'm just teasing you a little, but . . .)
The map is color coded, the states are all marked, and he explained the areas he was talking about by using cardinal directions-northeast, southeast, etc. Unless you aren't from The States, in which case I can understand how it would be confusing. 😉
Thanks for the presentation. I grew up in Florida and purposefully live twenty miles inland from the Gulf. With three hurricanes, it will be interesting to watch for any population changes. Home insurance rates have been increasing and will most likely accelerate. I would not be surprised to see a migration away from coastal areas and even out of the state. The original coastal native Floridians built shell mounds. Some mounds were ceremonial , but mounds may also have been storm shelters.
Not only will property insurers raise rates, most non government sponsored insurers have completely left the state. You’re going to basically have to get a government subsidized insurance plan (much like they already have but scaled way up) in order to insure property there. The only issue being is that it’s going to be insanely expensive when they can’t spread out their losses.
@@jordanl69MAGA Florida isn’t going to government subsidize anything since it would require massive tax increases. The state is unsustainable given the current politics there.
I see alot of people moving to Atlanta more than it's already been, Just because of the weather.
I moved to FL in 2022 ( FWB) and moved out in 2023.
Sold everything including a brand new built house that had a 2.75% mortgage.
The Panhandle is a craphole.
@@Dangic23 My sister and her husband live in a big camping trailer about 25 miles from the Florida coast from November to April, then in another big camping trailer in upper NY State from May to October. Her husband does construction work both places. I see a future with more cheap homes not insured, often bought used, and the Rush Limpballs in big mansions they are self insuring with their millions in investments and other homes.
Vermont has kind of grown during the pandemic! The Burlington area is the largest "metro" but its still so small. Its like 100,000-200,000 the size of a suburb
I personally know 4 people who moved from NY to FL.
Maine's growth I believe is because of remote work, proximity to nature, proximity to large metros on the east coast, while remaining center-left in politics. It can also still be pretty cheap compared to other places in that region.
Very grateful for the Muir Maps code. I just so happened to be on there the other day dreaming of another map haha
Remote work.
Cost of living.
Affordability.
Proximity to fun places.
Being around like-minded neighbors.
Those 5 contribute to what Kyle discussed IMO.
#3 and #4. If you look at that map those are all just really nice, fun states to live in. California should be in dark green too, but it's just not affordable and has too many problems, which lower the appeal of it.
Less expensive states generally have less to do.
Upstate New York is the spot to be if you’re looking for those 5
@@BillDotreewhere I grew up. Taxes are high in NY State, but if you can find a job it likely pays more than cheaper states. I moved to Kentucky in 1991 for a new job, and am still there. Upper NY State has better weather June to August, and Kentucky has better weather November to March.
@@BillDotree I never know if someone saying upstate NY is talking about Orange County, Oneida County, or Clinton County, because those all have very different scores on those 5 categories.
I wonder why Pennsylvania is losing population. I’ve driven through it plenty of times and it’s beautiful there. Unless it’s just Philadelphia
I'm calling it now, at some point in the next 50 years the rust belt states are going to make a big comeback. They are the old cities that were still built to human scale so they still have walkable city centers and suburbs. If the projections are right that states like mine will officially become tropical, those states will be more comfortable for people who don't like being hot. You can still find cheap real estate in rust belt cities.
I follow a creator in Utica, NY and I think she said their population is like 70k but the city has the infrastructure for like 250k. That's crazy.
Pittsburgh is like that too. I like cities like that
yeah, agree, rust belt will have a renaissance in the next several decades.
Nuclear Fusion is coming to the Midwest before anywhere else. The elite are heavily invested in Illinois/Wisconsin specifically.
I'd love to see an XmR Chart of populations for each state to see what the trends have been over the last 100 years or so and if the latest data points are within those trends or if they are outside of control.
Nice map. I think putting -0.5% to +0.5% in the central group would have been better. Awesome to see this data btw.
Eventually there won’t be anywhere in the country with cheap cost of living. Sad to see Wyoming and South Dakota booming, those have been very cheap places to live in the past
Wyoming isn’t booming, that’s percentage of growth. 1% of the 570,000 people in Wyoming is very different than 1% of the 5,800,000 in Colorado.
Any state a Californian moves to, it becomes a crap hole
I’m a western New Yorker and I’m pretty sure our counties population has grown. I don’t think population decrease in NYC is a bad thing.
Same. I live near Syracuse and population seems to be booming. I’ve never seen this much traffic
@@BillDotree I’m hoping there’s an in state migration upstate over the course of the next couple decades. I know we’re gonna be a climate haven when shit really hits the fan so I’m interested to see how our economies start to boom
Here at the beginning. Thanks for the new video, Kyle. Always appreciate your analyses.
Thank you! I'll try to keep it up
Kyle, is there a big difference in average number of kids for states like California vs Oklahoma? Curious if that impacts the population patterns much.
Good question! I live in Utah, where it's not uncommon to see families with 4, 5, 6, or even more kids. Not statewide, but definitely in certain pockets of the state. Park City: very few kids. Utah County/Provo: TOO MANY KIDS. 🤣 My parents' neighborhood in Utah County is brimming with kids, whereas my neighborhood in Salt Lake City proper has far fewer. I've lived there for 22 years and never had a single trick-or-treater.
I didn't look at that number, but I do know that Utah and Idaho always lead the nation in birth rate.
Did this take into account the millions of Biden's/Harris newcomers
You ever consider doing more international videos? Love your content!
One percent growth “officially”. Unofficially the numbers are much higher.
‘Bout 18-20 million or so.
Massachusetts resident here, what you have to understand is that it is very expensive to live here, and on top of that we aren't building nearly enough housing thankfully the state has made it actually desirable to have kids here? I'm noting a huge amount of little ones in my neighborhood. People seem to think Massachusetts is a great place to start a family
People have money in MA and it's a fairly low crime state. At least it is compared to southern states. Great healthcare, schools and a lot to do in the region. I'd live there, but it's just far too expensive.
Hopefully that area will start teaching people how to use punctuation in printed communication attempts.
Massachusetts is one of those places where you get what you pay for
Thanks for this very interesting video.
Memphis and St. Louis haven't lost population? That's hard to believe.
Can you do a population map by county in each state? What counties are people moving to?
Washington state also has no income tax.
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Writing from Visalia, California here. I was wondering if you could please make a video on the Cross Valley Corridor and the California High Speed Rail?
Do you follow City Nerd? He's an urbanism 'Tuber and has some interesting videos about that sort of thing (and the driest sense of humor I've ever seen🤣).
@@MikeP2055 I do follow City Nerd and he is great. He even mentioned Visalia in one of his videos. He does really great work.
He did a video on California high speed rail.
@@margefoyle6796 Really? I didn't know.
@@lalodaniels1388 yes, in Jan 2023. Google geography king high speed rail.
The Huntsville AL and Fayetteville AR metro areas are saving their two states from total decline
I imagine the post-COVID remote boom was the biggest hit for the massive tier 1 cities like NYC, LA, and SF. How many people were staying in those sort of metros solely because they had high-paying jobs that didn’t exist anywhere else?
I see 2 big factors- where retirees and mobile workers want to move to, and second where a new factory or new big office building is built, for hundreds of new job openings.
I moved from a nice town in Rhode Island to another nice town in Rhode Island!❤❤
My son moved from South Kingstown to Providence...
I agree with much of what you're saying. About zero State income tax, I moved to Texas in 2018 and their zero State income tax was attractive but wow, the sales tax is high. They're also aggressive increasing property assessments to get higher real estate tax revenue. Even as a renter we have had our rent increased due to higher real estate tax. So moving to an income tax free State to save money is a fallacy. And as far as the sales tax goes, it is a very regressive tax. It affects the poor disproportionately to the rich, especially where some food and all clothes are taxed like in Texas. The poor and the middle class are spending a larger proportion of their income on these necessities than the rich.
You're the man
This was a very interesting video and I have no oversimplified opinions about any of it. Except for the half-dozen or so (mostly) polite replies I wrote while *hockey-game-drunk last night.
* - Hockey-drunk is above basketball-drunk, but below soccer-drunk. Soccer-drunk is a skootch below getting-thrown-out-of-a-bar-drunk.
Individual results may vary based on whether you live in a red state or a blue state. (Which is a bullsh*t variable that I just made up because that doesn't really factor into this as heavily as some people seem to think it does. Alcoholism is much more nuanced than something so logically reductive and reactionary.)
So on point about the short term memory, as someone once said, we live in the “United States of Amnesia”
A lot of these changes can simply be explained by migration out of the states where the population is too large and thus the cost of living is too high while the availability of housing is too low. This is a pattern you see throughout history. People migrate to highly attractive areas with great social policies until the presence of too many people start to raise the cost of living beyond what most people can afford, and then once a tipping point happens migration flows out from those highly attractive and successful places into the surrounding areas . . . changing the population demographics of places like Maine, Nevada, Arizona, etc . . . Usually the growth areas would be nearby but with the availability of long distance travel we see a lot of people from New York traveling further south along the east coast to avoid the rust belt which still has a bad reputation.
I'd like to see what is happening with Iowa. I have family there and it's a possible move-to state for us.
Just be aware of the areas that are frequently hit by tornadoes.
Northwest Indiana is, for the first time since the 50's/60's is the fastest growing subregion of Chicagoland. I see Gary starting to grow.....
I wonder why Maine is growing in population to such a high degree. It's a very high tax state. We moved here from the southeast, and I've yet to meet another southerner willing to put up with the harsh New England Winters.
"Fewer immigrants have been coming in the last few years* Yeah.. um.. I stopped watching there.. that is just a glaring blind spot. Like, where has he been?
These are pretty small changes. Overall it looks pretty much as you were
I think the biggest surprise for the next five years is going to be Iowa; every time I go there it's just booming. There' is going to be a population increase that goes along with that.
I like this one a lot.
That video made me sad
For the 50th year running, the undisputed king of population distribution remains Central Air Conditioning. Everything else pales by comparison.
West Virginia's unpopularity seems surprising. For all the fuss people make about moving out west to take advantage of amazing topography and outdoor stuff, they could find alot of the same features in WV. Mountains, ski resorts, miles and miles of mtb and hiking trails, kayaking, motocross, hunting. I live in Oregon but somehow WV seems more wild and untouched. Obviously there are social and economic issues to overcome but what state doesn't have that?
Sounds like you’ve never been to West Virginia….. not a lot of opportunities unless you are a remote worker
Having been to both, Oregon - and I mean anywhere in Oregon - is a no brainer. Don't get me wrong, WV is drop dead gorgeous. But that's all it is.
If you don't want to mine coal there's approximately zero jobs besides that that are better than minimum wage retail or fastfood.
You guys are proving my point. For a state that is basically 100 percent mountains, WV's outdoor leisure industry is sporadic. Look at NC or Tennessee or even Arkansas, arguably Americas mtb capital. WV has something none of those states have tho, lots of snow. Davis is starting to get the message and so is Elkins. Good video Kyle.
West Virginia is a beautiful state with surprisingly few opportunities to enjoy it relative to the potential areas of interest. There has only been a small amount of land set aside as parks or wilderness. There's always been the mentality that "there might be coal there" so don't protect it. New River Gorge just became a National Park a few years ago. It was a "National Scenic River" before, but it could've/should've been a NP 100 years ago. The younger generation is more interested in protecting the wilderness of the state, but coal is still king in WV even into 2025.
The present tax rates in some states are changing. In the state I live the income tax is headed to being a flat tax and retirees do not pay state taxes on pensions, 401Ks, and social security. Retirees receive 2 credits on property taxes as well. This keeps retirees from moving to no income tax states. You can take a nice vacation from winter when you don't pay state taxes on income.
A lot of people died WITH c-vd. Also, Florida had increased by 4.7% from 2020. 2020 population was 21.6 million, and 2023 population was 22.6 Million. Source data from macrotrends/global-metrics/states/florida/population
Instead comparing taxes, compare cost of living. That's what drive people further.
We left Denver co for middle of PA because the pay was comparable to lower col.
you should do a fan meetup in Chattanooga
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140 miles away in Birmingham--for now. After the election, I may seek refuge elsewhere.
My hypothesis is that people are just moving away from cities. With so much full and partial remote work, and so many products available to purchase online, the benefits of the city is in decline.
That's not really true. Some cities are losing population but others are growing tremendously. There is massive population loss from a lot of rural areas, as well as growth to other rural areas in different areas.
When a community figures out how to best maintain a healthy economy despite a population stall or decrease it's going to change the USA. I say this because a lot of communities, especially the ones here in central Florida want to hit a sweet spot in population and then stay there, as in no knew developments, no new malls, no new attractions to attract tourists from out of state. Sure it might be economically unrealistic, but that's just what the majority of people want in that area.
Depending on source, Oregon either marginally lost or gained population. Portland State University's numbers are what the state uses and they said Oregon actually gained 23k in 2023. The census says we lost ppl so they're at odds with one another. Based on the amount of time I sit in traffic we have LOTS of ppl. 😂
Are you going to do a more detailed map of California on the California specific channel?
Need a New York State focus video
I think Oregon is more of a "correction" than anything else. (And I suspect that most of the loss is in Portland, and the east side suburbs) For a while, Oregon was one of the most desirable places to move to, but we didn't really have sufficient available housing for all the people wanting to move here. Then we had the George Floyd protests every night for over a year.
Portland was a West coast paradise in the 90's/00's. Californians moved there like crazy. Then prices and crime went through the roof.
Multnomah Co lost population but everyone probably just moved to Clackamas and Washington Co.
@@vincentfalcone9218happens wherever California's go
The George Floyd protests only affected downtown Portland though right?
@kjhuang I believe because of them Portland started no cash bail and the BLM-backed DA quit prosecuting. Simultaneously, oregon legalized all drugs. It was a perfect storm.
I think the growth of Maine and New Hampshire is probably fueled in large part by Boston Metro remote workers relocating for cheaper cost of living.
If you exclude the economic and societal problems, I believe one of the biggest reasons for the changes is that people are just tired of cold climates.
Then why is population growing in Montana, Idaho, South Dakota and Maine?
@@thedopplereffect00 There are more hot moved-to states than cold ones.
Economics trump all. Most people would choose a cold state with jobs/cheapness than a warm state without (e.g. Louisiana). Deciding based on climate is a luxury fewer and fewer people can afford, unless we're taking about a climate situation that has direct financial impact like flood insurance in Florida.
Would like to add, because many have forgotten, but the boom in South Dakota had to do with the way Governor Kristi Noem ran the state during Covid. It was the only state that was open in the country, which she was dragged through the mud for on MSM. I would know because I moved from California to SD in Aug 2020 because of her decisions. Ask anyone who moved here and you will hear Noem's name come up. Yes, it has no state income tax, but that's not the driver I can assure you.
Kristi gained notoriety for killing a puppy because she was too impatient to learn how to train it properly. It's the owner that really learns new behavior patterns if a dog is to be trained right. But some people should never own a dog just like some people should never have kids!!
If I'm not mistaken, if you work remotely in a different state from where your office is located, most states will require you pay income tax in the state where your job is based. This isn't universal, but it is common.
It’s not common. I know many remote workers as a software engineer, and all of them paid income taxes based on the state they lived in
NC expects you to claim income made in other states - it might only be if you didn't pay taxes to that state but I forget off hand. What I do remember is that if you buy goods in a non sales tax state, NC expects you to pay them the taxes lol
@@RedScareClair VA too
The problem with only looking at income tax is the states get you other ways. I moved from the midwest to FL where there's no income tax, but the insurance is 3-4x as expensive so I'm no better off. Have to look at everything. If you're median income or under you'll be no better off. High income is really beneficial to move to a no income tax state though!
Personally, I think he should have showed that map longer through his vid.
I think the US should have a population of at least 500 million people. Birth rates and immigration should rise to at least 2% a year and this would lead to higher economic growth.
Why do you think the US should be that big? Is 336 million not enough?
@@suprensa4393 yeah but as stated in the video and on news articles, the countries demographics are changing. In the future there will be a smaller workforce and a large elderly population which would cause problems in society. Higher expenditure on healthcare and welfare, a shrinking tax base and lower productivity just to name a few
@@TheLiamsterSmaller workforce is due to the AI/machine revolution. In the future machines will take care of elites (elderly or not) while everyone else starves in the streets.
@@TheLiamster As long as a certain segment of our population is hysterical about certain minorities moving to this country then this country will continue to grow old with an inadequate number of younger people to work and care for the aging population.
Europe is the same fix with countries full on xenophobic!!
Delawarean here and I can say that New Yorkers are everywhere in my state now. Its actually rather annoying
Does the fall of popn in NYC mean empty apartments and a fall in property prices?
Most of it is simple math. The cost of living for people who can work remotely is a huge reason to leave cold expensive cities like New York and Chicago. Retirement savings go farther in the south.
I would like to see how the population changes will affect the distribution in the House of Representatives
One guarantee: Wyoming won't be getting a 2nd representative.
I understand that South Dakota is a zero income tax state and that people would move there for that reason if they can work remotely. But I have to wonder that they could move to a warmer climate if they could live anywhere.
I wonder if the population increase is due to the availability of jobs there. I know their population has been increasing for decades because of the availability of jobs and the low cost of living.
A population decrease puts downward pressure on demand and prices.
Population loss is very toxic to a society. You also start having to deal with a dwindling resource base and less investment. A major headache for places that has experienced loss is that you still have the roads and infrastructure to support a larger population, letting it rot isn’t great, but you have fewer and fewer people to pay for it. When places start shrinking more and more people start leaving too which only makes the problems worse. Never forget that your wages are a “price” for someone else.
In a way it’s like inflation. You always kind of want a little bit, but just not so much that you notice it. Deflation actually ends up being catastrophic for any period of time and rapid growth can also be challenging. Humans like slow and steady.
@@ebrim5013 There are a lot of people in the US who need to read this comment, especially the last sentence.
Population decrease puts a lot pressure to reduce government spending. We won’t have the tax base to support government spending like Medicare and especially social security.
The 2020 census was delayed to 2021 because of the pandemic but we had to ask people where they lived in2020
It was NOT!!!
I found it very interesting that you state one of the three major reasons for the slow population growth nationwide is that fewer immigrants have come to the US in the past few years. Can you share the source from which you draw that conclusion? If the rhetoric of one particular political faction is to be accepted as truth, we've been inundated with immigrants of all sorts, especially "illegal immigrants," over the past four years. If the statistics don't align with their rhetoric, that's an important fact that needs to be made more universally understood. I'd love to see an analysis of annual immigration statistics for the past few decades.
The only reason the US is gaining population is because of immigration. Otherwise the growth rate is below the replacement rate or fertility rate for the country. Fertility rate must be above 2.1 for a population to increase. Not counting immigration the fertility rate is below 2.1. 1.62 according to several sites online. Some countries in Europe, South Korea and others are even lower.
You don't have the tax discussion quite right. If you earn income in CA but live in NV you still pay CA tax.
I am sure those people who can work remotely work for tech companies. They tend to have offices in multiple states (hint Austin, TX). It is easy to move their payroll to another state.
That's not true
@thedopplereffect00 I don’t know which one is false. But some states will tax your income even if you reside in another state. NY is one of them. If you work in NY and live in NJ, you still pay NY state income tax.
Don’t know CA situation. But I hear they will try to “link” you to CA in some way just to be able to tax you.
@@chefnyc it's based on where you physically work. If you work remotely, but earn income from a company in another state, you don't pay income tax to that state
A couple of other factors perhaps causing people to not want to have kids during covid are health safety reasons and the difficulty of raising children during covid.
It's ridiculous that we talk about shrinking population as being bad. If economists worry that places aren't growing, that just means we have a flawed economic model. We need to shrink population to respond to changing world climates.
Also, did it bug anyone lese that AL and CT are so off center?
I’d be interested to see this same map where the fill value is the total number of people migrating instead of proportion of people since like you said, this map gives a false impression that everyone is moving to the west where nobody lives!
Detroit is growing again
No surprise that CA, NY, and IL have lost the most people
Not saying I disagree, but am curious why you think this is so obvious.
because of taxes?
And Louisiana, Mississippi, WV?😅
@@Dangic23 Cheap to live in those states, but not a lot of job opportunities
Blue Democratic states
Didn't realize new Mexico is now in a population decline. That's crazy.
Spend a week or 2 there and you'll under stand why
@@sandtoy11510 😂😅. That depends on WHERE you spend that week or two. I have lived in New Mexico for 30 years from Santa Fe, Albuquerque and now down in Las Cruces which is a very livable city with all of the amenities of a big city.
Since you have a negative attitude about NM do you really need to be reminded that every state has issues and problems. What state do you come from, I'll let you know some things many people would not want to live with there. And there is also considerable variation within each state. Many people don't care for Albuquerque but found many other places are just what they are looking for as I have.
Hey Kyle! Your audio is out of snyc - AGAIN.
You're just the person needed, Kyle, to start a movement of calling the areas correctly. Ohio isn't the midwest any more, it's the mid-east, for example. Midwest is Colorado.
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Moving southwards= boomers retiring.
Also lower taxes, cost of living, and government regulations
@@AlexmanFore Most of that is negligible. Retired but not rich= taxes are minimal. Lots of breaks for seniors. I've lived in 5 states, very little difference at the end of the year for retirees. But, NYers and Californians sell out and move with big payouts. The can afford to. The south cannot.
Not entirely. There's been a TON of NY/NJ transplants to NC and many have been middle aged. But I've noticed some boomers for sure
You and everyone in your comment reply the answer is all the above.
@@AlexmanForeyeah people not working and needing effective medicine and healthcare are mostly concerned about taxes and regulations.
I think it’s also interesting seeing state population growth/loss based on immigration vs natural born citizens.
would like to see the numbers including illegals
Add 20 million
20 million is an exaggeration. It is more like 12 million. And they are not 'illegals' they are human beings who have tried to escape horrendous violence and abusive circumstances in their home countries.
And the US is partly responsible for those horrendous conditions with foreign policy back in the later half of the 20th century installing repressive governments all over Latin America. Add to that is the proliferation of guns in this country led to guns exported them across the border. So in essence the violence from the proliferation of guns in this country was exported over the border. This allowed the drug gangs to take over large parts of the country.
The moral to this story is stop blaming the so called 'illegals' and look at the root cause of the problem!! That's the only way to solve any problem!!
Please stop moving to Florida. The traffic is so miserable now.
Yeah, Northwest Arkansas is booming. Too bad I don't have a string of houses to sell right now; I would slay.
Good. Wisconsin isnt growing much. Everyone stay away. It sucks here.
Go Pack Go!
Yeah lol. Line must go up
NY, CA, IL, MA, - and SF, I see places where freedom and safety is restricted to fewer citizens. But that's just me, you figure it out.
Wish you said what percentage Oklahoma grew
I think way more people are leaving New Jersey than that
Census 2020 was not completed, therefore ANY data from that period is suspect. The 2030 Census (IF there is one) will be a big surprise to everybody. Well, not everybody.
Phoenix is the 6th most populous city and 10th most populous MSA
Yea and some of the worse water in the country. Like most of the west.
@@pillarwatch The water is fine.
@@pillarwatch nothing that a water softener can’t handle.
Your point being?
@@suprensa4393 sorry, I watched this yesterday and don’t remember what the hell it was about