In Defence Of Western Values | ARC Off-Stage
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- "I found myself in the West where I suddenly was exposed to so much opportunity and possibility, and a sense of freedom that people back home will never even be able to understand."
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Freedom is a Western reality, which in Konstantin Kisin's words, Western values produce.
For Africa Brooke, even at 9 years old, the difference felt entering a society built upon belief in the sanctity of the individual was tangible. This is the Western reality to which we have become accustomed.
However, trying to live in the Western reality without its foundational values will ultimately cause the reality to fade, until it is something else entirely. Konstantin reminds us, the price of freedom has always been eternal vigilance, and the same is true of the prosperity, safety, and strength enjoyed in the West for so long.
In ARC's latest Off Stage conversation, Africa Brooke, Konstantin Kisin, Winston Marshall, and Eva Vlaardingerbroek discuss the question, what are Western values? What makes the West unique, and how should this be protected?
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Winston Marshall is a member of the ARC Advisory Board. He is a Grammy award-winning musician, writer and host of the podcast ‘Marshall Matters’. He is also co-founder of the non-profit organisation Hong Kong Link Up.
Africa Brooke is a coach, speaker, and writer, specialising in helping public figures and
entrepreneurs overcome cultural pressures, self-censorship, and self-sabotage.
Eva Vlaardingerbroek is a Dutch lawyer and political commentator dedicated to protecting
freedom and fundamental rights.
Konstantin Kisin is a political commentator and TRIGGERnometry host.
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00:00 The Essence of Western Freedom
00:50 Zimbabwe's Economic Downfall
03:05 Western Values versus Perceived Realities
03:25 Individual Sanctity within Western Ideals
04:30 Christian Influence on Western Civilisation
06:15 Universalism versus Cultural Relativism: A Modern Debate
10:15 The Dynamics of Democracy and Power
17:00 Upholding Western Values: Contemporary Challenges
31:00 Exploring Political Identity
36:55 Preserving and Promoting Western Principles: Hope and Strategies
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On a side note,
An article well worth a read,
Left, Right and Canary in the Mine, Andrzej Koraszewski
Love seeing you guys all aligning …. A major shift is in play. What a time to be alive. And you’re right - now we need more action 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
emm, There is ZERO evidence of human meat waves from Russian side of this war...
And i have study this war for hours each day for many years, and there is zero things sugesting that, not a singel video clip even.
Almost everything i have heard about this war have been false.
Great discussion, weird hard ending to the video, though. Like it was just cut off arbitrarily.
Enlightening conversation.
If any of you are particularly inclined, the UK has just 'elected' (although with how our voting system works, the winner doesn't always have to actually be the most popular...) a party who, in my opinion, threatens our Christian 'western' values as a nation, and threatens to further dive us into a hellish pit. Prayers for our country would be appreciated... and frankly, prayers for the whole world should probably be a high priority on all our daily lists; as an old russian proverb says, 'pray and then row to shore'. God bless.
This video says "4 comments" but only this 1 showing; hypocrisy is spoken about in the Bible, speaking of Western values but suppressing speech here as part of de facto censorship-suppression-narrative control apparatus.
Yeah, the Conservatives really mucked it up with Sunak.
@@Adrian-yi8fl. They thought being Woke was the Centre Right 😢😂😂😂😂
Plenty rowing to uk shores:)
Starmer is going to finish us off. He's Establishment through and through.
I don't mean to sound patronising, but it's great to hear four young people so articulate and well balanced. There is optimism for the future.
It’s fine that they have a discussion but they’re clearly not experts considering how factually incorrect they were in many parts. Mixing religion and political ideology goes against the fundamentals of democracy. Sure Christianity is a western value in that it shapes our identity but it doesn’t support the tenets of democracy
You stole my words ;-)
This is not a representation of the majority unfortunately... the youth today are being indoctrinated with anti-west rhetoric and communism
“Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the transmission of fire.”
― Gustav Mahler
A sensible man, as evidenced by his tombstone bearing only his name.
Though I would add that caring about some things of the past isn't automatically bad.
And thinking about that, and comparing it to the "transmission of fire", I would choose the fire over the mere caring.
- Gwyn, Lord of Cinder
What a phenomenal quote! Hear Hear!
Never heard that one before - I like it!
Awesome ❕❕🌟 quote, Mahler and his extra sensitivity can illuminate when you see heads full of death coming. I remember Di Caprio Mahler in the film Sutther Island. 🙏👍🌟
A new generation of tought leaders have arrived, and they are not clueless. My heart rejoices in these 4 individuals ❤
Now 5, after several recounts,
Disregard Eva please. She is not a thought leader but a pretty face that built her career on the destruction of a Dutch anti-establishment party.
They are not individuals. They have the same mind set.
Is ARC backing Project 25?
@jeaniebritz4587
I urge everyone to actually check out 2025. You don't want a President to have the power to change laws search as how often you have elections or how many terms a President can have.
Ms. Africa has an incredible understanding, I feel, of how people born in the West take for granted Western culture and all that it provides. Her perspective being viewed Through different cultural lenses is fascinating…..I hope we see more of her in the future.
I'm a New Zealander and thankfully we got rid of Jacinda Ardern and her Neo Marxist government and now have a centre right Coalition gov, Miss Africa is a fantastic young lady and think we will see a lot more of her in the future
Intelligent. articulate and empathetic.. an amazing young lady
Yes, we have taken it for granted and as we have gotten more educated and morally aware, we have seen the downsides of out past and that is where this panel refuses to accept that some subcultures like the feminist movement, and the BLM movement have a point. All these are part of the "woke" left and anti-west in their values. That is what the West enables. Yes, we might not be the strongest military force of the future and give Russia and China a leg up, issues all worth considering but I don't hear that discussion. It's all morals and from the more immoral stance.
She is wonderful isn't she... and important voice for this time.
@@arc_conference
Freedom to express opposing views is not upheld in this comment section.
I identify with everything this lovely Zimbabwean lady says. I had to leave my beloved Zimbabwe for the same reasons.
We need to hear much more from this lady , schools should be inviting to people like her , and people like yourself ,to speak to children , that would be so valuable
It always cracks me up to hear how Zimbabwe is crumbling but when it was Rhodesia it was a thriving country.
If only we had the technology to determine what went wrong there.
Good news is it looks like AI may well figure it out despite big techs best efforts to stop it from doing so
@@genfiveten595 lol we don't need the technology love. We just need intellectual honesty.
What went wrong is that certain nations (as in groups of people inhabiting certain areas) aren't yet mentally and morally mature to run their own societies without turning them into corruption - ridden swamps destroyed by desire for fast profit without concern for the future.
You don't need AI to come to that clearly obvious fact. You just need a good amount of intellectual honestly to be able to say "yes, and the fact these brown skinned people fall into that category does not make anyone racist".
And it's not JUST the brown people, it's all peoples without tradition of running their own country. My nation (white, Slavic) has the same problem. When communist regime was overthrown, the new capitalists first sold out all the factories and machines because that brought more profit much faster and easier than continuing the production. When the money ran out, they started selling the land (physical land) and assembling into cartels to buy cheap from private people (who also sold for easy & quick money because using your land for slower long term profit is harder than just selling it and getting the money now). Now when THAT money is running out, they're selling out the people by chasing out the local worker with small wages and replacing him with a cheaper Indian worker.
All because the evolutionary level of "hard work + minding long term conditions == long term survival" hasn't been reached yet.
So how DOES it get reached? With EVOLUTION. It all has to go to Hell, the country has to go bankrupt, the borders have to close, and the remaining people have to create a new generation that will come to the conclusion "...hang on. If I sell this piece of land, I'll have money for a few years, and then what? I better plant me some grain and if I do that, I can spend my whole life working hard, but living in relative comfort".
@@toddmichael4271What's funny about it?
Free speech isn't only about the sanctity of the individual, but about how truth and learning occur, and that is for the benefit of society as a whole.
Agreed, and freedom of speech which allows, codified IN language, freedom of THOUGHT, is by FAR the best fertile ground for creativity and innovation that benefits EVERYONE
@@GilbertdeClare0704 People think by talking, they can not think without it, they need the other people to think together {by talking or reading -a from of talking-} even Newton {the one that thought more and came further than al others} needed "giants,to stand on, to look further", as he said himself...
@@Jannette-mw7fg I completely agree ! And the more that making that assumption has become the norm, the LESS aware people are becoming OF their OWN inner thought processes, mental health problems correspondingly increase, and people are less able, through that lowered SELF awareness, to back track ON their own thinking, to examine and find the "thoughts and underlying assumptions" that CAUSE the problem. THEN people become SO very vulnerable to those EXTERNAL sources who are all to ready to mislead and propagandise ?
ALL of those great thinkers from Plato, Da Vinci, Locke, Burke, Keates, Newton all shared that common denominator of SEEKING time alone, WITH their awareness OF their own thoughts to develop INNER, CRITICAL Thinking, rather than blindly follow EXTERNAL "critical theory"
@@GilbertdeClare0704 I do agree with you largely, but do not forget that those thinkers where the smartest ones.The rest of us simple folks do also need time alone to think about our inner motivations etc. but we also need to talk with others to come further. And so do the great ones.
@@Jannette-mw7fg I completely agree with you and apologise that I left that aspect out to shorten my first post. I was thinking along the lines of how modern material "Social Media" have a different nature to that of books ? I agree with all you've said as I know Plato had spoken similarly in that need for the Social realm TO bounce our ideas around in, as a stimulus TO inner thought, and a refiner OF inner thought after that lone introspection ? One being like the mountain that one must never forget the way down from ? In reading those great thinkers, I always pick up on their love for nuance and their ability to refine their thought with others, but with the same respect and critique offered UNTO oneself ? Becoming the base of all great civilisations and rational discourse.
However, I think what I was trying to unpack was how that method and attitude seems to have been lost or clouded BY materialisation of everything so that going inward and refining one's ideas, then bringing them back into a social realm for further refinement and "testing", seems to have been supplanted by technological OTHER people's thoughts, leaving almost a fear of being alone, and a susceptibility TO that external influence WITHOUT an INNER OR OUTER checking ? Like a backward step to very early Religious "GroupThink" type strictures that there "IS only one way and thought", and anyone who strays needs to be punished ? As well as that fear of going inward having the potential to create a vacuum where INNER "Identity" used to exist, Material Dialecticism seems to then fuse in WITH materialism to "offer back" "Identities" to pick off a shelf by belonging TO a tribe, instead of discovering Identity WITHIN "self" ? ?
I definitely agree with you that BALANCE is necessary in that process. Otherwise "Plato's Cave" and madness beckons in one direction, while blind and very violent Mob Rule beckons in the other ? ?
ps, Thank you for your "food for thought" comment. Much appreciated
Humor, especially when it's about oneself, is a sign of intelligence and understanding, bringing one closer to the world of Wisdom. Education must be filled with humor, laughter, and happiness.
Yes! Humour is a sign that we have the humility to realise that we don't know everything, and do not have final answers, but are exploring, questioning honestly. Ideological and Religious Fanatics and Fascists have no humour and don't allow others to laugh and have fun in the presence of doubt.
A wise and beautiful comment. Thank you.
And I'll give you three guesses which present day ideology resents and defies that line of thought most while at the same time is juggling itself to overrun the West!!! After that is done, I want you to imagine the stupendous damage that will cause to, not only the West, but the entire world as a whole???
Thank you 🙏🏼 for standing up for western values and democracy. It’s about time people forget the reason they left their homeland and never had a voice but once they were given the opportunity they easily forgotten the reason the fled and want to establish their homeland values in the west telling everyone what one can and cannot say or allowed.
We all should protect dearly the western values!
We must save this Our values of human life We are all precious some more than others you guys particularly because you are serious thinkers and can save our culture
Excellent people. So much higher quality than those elected into UK.
Is ARC backing Project 25?
Hearing intelligent people talk about important topics like this is wonderful. A gift. Thank you ♥
These 2 young women are so intelligent. English, their second language, is spoken perfectly. And confident and brave too. Hope.
It really stands out how articulate they are in a second language, especially Eva. I got taught French from a young age and could barely manage a trip to the shops without embarrassing myself.
This is the real flowering 🌟 of love, brilliance and clarity of the 21st century. Exciting!❕❕ 100/100. Thanks to the Founders of ARC 🙏for offering LIFE in luxurious quantities in your videos. From Europe, 🇪🇺🌟 toast croissants with bacon.❤
Thank you so much!! 'Toast croissants with bacon'? Yes please!
As far as Western values go, for those born in the west, it is like a fish not being aware it is wet.
Excellent discussion you beutiful people thankyou for standing up for us godbless you all 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 🇬🇧 ❤❤❤😊
The last few minutes
Yes yes yes
Are we awake now🕊
Love that quote, KK, that Thomas Sowell books should be crushed into peoples water to help them get red pilled. Great comment 😊
Absolutely brilliant humour. What a gift that he was a witty comedian well versed in satire. We must have a great - and even dark - sense of humour as we juggle increasingly more fire batons in today's Orwellian-Huxleyan culture.
Excellent discussion, young people! So glad you shining stars are on our Awakening team and jumping out front to help build and rebuild the West !❤
Agreed.. inspirational all of them
So glad you think so! We do too!
You guys do realise that the most prominent of all Western values is the understanding that the military industrial complex is not to be challenged. It's disgusting. It's repugnant. And it's Western.
Thank you ARC being able to listen to 4 greatvdown to earth minds debating without so much as a raised voice no down putting is so so refreshing, one actually wantscto sit and listen to you for hrs where as most debates now days just end up in put downs and slandering that one simply moves on to something differnt
That was a good listen. Thank you. It is pleasing to hear Mr Kisin speaking about now being the time to begin action, rather than a continuation of just talking which gors unheard by the vast majority.
What kind of action is being advocated for? Building a giant barge with a sample of two candidates each of whatever determined superior moral virtue which they selected??
This is an exceptional conversation so well balanced and abound with clarity and clear articulation of ideas, Talk hard, Gods speed.
You actually want to listen to these people they debate without animosity or any bullish remarks, this is real debating, I'm a 67yr old retired New Zealander and back in the 70s working many long hrs into the night I always used to listen to the parliamentary radio station debating it was great none of this modern day yelling people down no slandering just great open debating
@@paton57: anger and impatience are driving too much of the debate nowadays. The narcissism of imposing one's ideas on others has become common. There is not enough listening going on.
Listening to you all, our future, gives me tremendous hope for the UK, you are never too young to enter the fray; please forge boldly ahead!
Love Eva! A favorite - so articulate, intelligent, and honest.
Yes, amazing
Absolutely not. She deliberately destroyed an anti-establishment party ahead of a major election. She's a harpy that should be disregarded in every sense possible.
@XanderNikshoe bedoel je ? Leg eens uit groenlinksstemmer ?
Thank You! 🇨🇦
The only way to restore what we had is to go back to our Christian values and above all - faith. We are always trying to figure it out through intellectual discourse but this is not enough.
We must learn to trust in God again who established our principles and way of life. As it is written in Proverbs 3:5-6;
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart,
And lean not on your own understanding;
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He shall direct your paths."
Simple.
That’s not what upholds a democracy and western values but having a faithful society is good for a healhier society
Agreed, it doesn't matter about denominations, you are accountable before God and live and breath for him whether you know it or not. It is in Colossians.
One of the values of Western Culture is the freedom and motivation to EXPERIMENT, to TRY OUT different ways of doing things, to EXPLORE ways of being, and of doing!!
To try and fail and be proud and not be told by the state how I must live
The west EXPERIMENTED with islam and muslims and the result is bad: trouble and violence. Will the west continue with the experiment?
@@ace-oo8hoagree, the state should not tell you how to live but something should - because we are so vulnerable to our own fallacies.....
@@ace-oo8ho 👍 Agreed. Though the state is also entitled to free speech, but not to force their agendas. As long as our way does not harm others physically. Mental offence must be dealt with by the receiver. One problem is that Free Speech is meaningless in societies where there is not Free Listening. The current street protests all over the world are perfect examples of free speech with absolutely no listening. Free speech should lead to DIALOGUE . . .as in this video. Street Protests are usually one side shouting and the other side not listening, and the shouters not allowing the other side to speak, and refusing to listen there . . . discuss!
"Do not go gentle into that good night, Old age should burn and rave at close of day; RAGE, rage against the dying of the light." 🌟
Dylan Thomas.
Intolerance is underrated. Assuming that it is elegant 🤭and frees 🤔you from blame for things not committed, and opening your legs 👩❤️👩🥴like 20th century maids 🤤 before people who 🔪😕👅🏚️ come to your door disguised as "victimsof poverty 👁️👁️ 👊", is OLD-fashioned and moth-eaten. From Europe 🏰 🇪🇺 🖼️ 🥐🍷🍾
Superb group of young people ... we need people like them
Truly wonderful "Young Global Leaders", to use Klaus Schwab´s phrase. Seriously, Catholic conservative libertarian here, and they are great. But you know what: They make me cherish, miss, pray for - old white men. They are young, they don´t yet have their history and reading together. Never was it clearer to me that it takes a lot of time to accumulate wisdom. They do not yet understand history, they do not understand the depths of Greek civilization and the judaeo-graeco-Christian-Germanic cultures which over millenia formed those values which we have now lost in the communist onslaught since 1789 or 1917. Anyway: Yes, we do need us old men to explain, because these excellent young ones here obviously aren´t up to it yet. God bless them.
Old white men made me immediately think of Thomas Sowell for some reason ;)
Communist onslaught? You mean Judeo-Bolshevism?
Konstantin is the one on the right, actually a middle aged comedian and political commentator. He’s actually brilliant, the other three not so much.
9:05 I recommend Thomas Sowell’s “Conflict of Visions” this conversation will make more sense
That’s a bloody good point by Marshal, that Western values technically include communism, Nazism, Fascism, and that we need to define which Western values we want to treasure.
On Konstantin’s dilemma about his son inheriting wealth as disincentivising ambition, can the wealth be ‘gated’ behind investments that fit the son’s emerging interests in life? Kind of like ambition tokens that must be used in order to unlock the wealth
On the topic of tribalising into groups (Left and Right) in order to mobilise for action, I wonder if, culturally, we can develop a conversational habit of defining Left and Right before a conversation begins (especially one that is likely to get heated around the use of or even belief about those labels). I’ll be trying the following questions myself: what is right wing? What is far right? How do you spot someone who is far right? What is left wing? What is far left? How do you spot someone who is far left? Perhaps a long process, but let’s see what the results are
These people need to back Reform. They need to hammer David Starkeys talking points and relentlessly point out Labour s planned constitutional destruction. We don't need an abstract discussion at this point ,we need to highlight and focus on specific policies about to be unrolled.
Yes Konstantin! We need action, we need change!
If anyone is in Canada and wants to develop an alternative media agency or is looking for help please let me know!
In the grand scheme of life, I won the lottery at birth by being born in England. This fact is due to the efforts and sacrifice of my ancestors. The English / British way of doing things have been a guiding light for all nations of the Earth, good and bad. The western world as we understand it comes from British values, which in itself cannot realy be defined, however I think a sense of fair play and respect for each other is probably fundamental to this question? "Do untu others have you would have others do untu you" I think this statement is historicaly at the heart of how most Brits think. It is our greatest strengh whilst also being our greatest weakness! In my humble opinion.
"The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance". 100%! While listening to all of you gives me great hope for Western future, I'm also quite distressed at Canada's future. The majority of our population is very apathetic. They honestly just don't seem to care about freedom of speech.
You folk give me hope for our
Grandkids. Thank you!!!!!!!!
Thank you guys for letting us listen and watch your very erudite and fascinating conversation.
You are not alone.There are millions of 40:39 us out here who do our little bit but rely on people like yourselves to “carry the can” in the contested and challenging mass public spaces.Thank you for everything you do 😊
You have our back.
Brilliant minds!!! You must NOW START DOING YOUR BEST TO KEEP YOUR WESTERN VALUES ❤
There is optimism. It lies in a very simple principle: we need to perform only 10-13 percent and He will open the rest... Meaning - everything will change for the better if we perform just a small portion of our duties. ARC is a good approach. Know-how to make it happen.... )) Thank you for inspiration, especially girls ( enjoy to be a politically incorrect ))
The values are Protestant Christian. Our constitution says it best, “all men are created equal and endowed by their creator…”.
That depends on which part of the West you are in. It might be Protestant in the US, but it's obviously not in Italy, Spain, Greece, etc. The denomination isn't the root of our values, it's Christianity itself.
@@MisterFluffyBags the style of Protestant is closest to true Christianity. Catholicism is not. I can count the ways but so can anyone who knows the Bible and history. Although that’s not many these days
Catholicism is not built on personal and individual liberty and never was,it was built on the power of the pope and the church. Way too much to go through here. The Catholic Church was responsible for the dark ages, the Protestant brought it out and encouraged literacy so humans could know the truth not what was fed to them
Fascinating historical knowledge if people learn it.
Where did you get this stupid idea that some group of people has a monopoly or a patent on the invention of universal values? It is obvious to any educated person that even the North American Indians enjoyed freedom of speech and assembly before meeting the Europeans.
@@user-ed3ol1ij5i by the way animals have some forms of speech and assembly. Go learn something.
@@lisatowe778 If you do not agree with my statement and are going to refute it, then you should try harder. Read what I wrote again, read what you wrote, undoubtedly, maybe not right away, but you will understand that your comment does not in any way refute my statement. Having realized this fact, try to write something that can be an argument. Most likely the second attempt will be the same fiasco, but maybe the third or fourth time you will succeed.
Thank you one and all for sharing this conversation
I don't think the British Working Class ever thought they were privileged; to us it was The Norm. It took new people arriving here, telling us how lucky we were to live in such a Country, for us to believe Yes! compared to some other Countries, we WERE lucky. We also wished other Countries could have the same privileges, and values. That is one of the reasons refugees from oppresive regimes WERE welcomed, as were people with Trades and Experiences who could also enjoy and appreciate what we took for granted. The British were stunned at the aggressive and sometimes violent response from some of those we welcomed, but hoped, after time, they would intergrate and also enjoy the standard of living we offered them. That is why it took us a long time to see what was happening before our eyes. We now have so much to loose, to be replaced by new standards and changes we have tried to accommodate, without much success, because our values were not broken, and didn't need drastic and sometime unbelievable changes. Change happens, but in a Country where change for good would be welcomed, drastic change is something to fight against, not for..
This is the most exciting panel you could have put together! Very happy to see my generation unite at the table
I admire the IDF because the young that are conscripted are prepared to fight for their country and have responsibility towards the right s they enjoy
A proposed western value "Might does not make right"
Such a beautiful group. I am appreciative of how they contend on the nature of western values and the source of the rejection an possible ways forward.
I know by the nature of being a media communicator there is an element of Species Selection that goes on but, my word, that's a good looking table of people :D
Communism/socialism/fascism are NOT outgrowths of western values but rather the antithesis of western values.
great talk - what to do? If you buy a house, you get it surveyed - you examine the foundations. I feel it's the foundations of the problem that need to be brought into the light - show people - distill it down to the essence - there's a hymn sheet 'they' all sing from...shine a light on the dark corners of the past that support what is happening today. Secrecy is the enemy of truth - basically christian values/morals make the most sense to us in the West, so perhaps we should use those values as a beacon in which to orientate to, and light up all that wishes to remain 'hidden'.
We are not ALLOWED to say it's different - and worse - in other countries. We're not ALLOWED to say our civilisation is better and preferable.
Seeing you four young people gives us hope🙏🤝
Exporting democracy worked extremely well in South Korea, Japan and Germany. The difference in these cases is that high effort was sustained for more than a generation allowing a new body politic to rise that was raised on democratic ideals from the cradle.
Love the discussion..Konstantin rightly talks about the value and the dignity of the human person......my ? to him is says who where does that come from...western values yes but based on God,s determinate view...the imagio deo.....without God, you have no value....
Eva’s accent is throwing me through an uncanny valley of almost American but not quite. Dutch?
She's Dutch, but as per a lot of Europeans, she has picked up an accent from American TV & films.
@@The-Thirteenth-Floor She may have had school teachers with that accent.
I agree with Africa about the fact that most people in the West do not at all value what they have. I have been exposed to other cultures a lot throughout my life, I have traveled a lot to different places and I always thought "Thank God I was born I was born in Germany." Especially as a woman.
And I also hate the concept of racism. OF COURSE the skin color of a person is completely irrelevant to what I think about them. But for me the culture does very much make a difference. I have understood that different cultures think very differently and the idea that we can just mix them up and expect everybody to get along is completely absurd.
We have to take a strong stance in our culture and anyone who wants to live according to our values is welcome. But do not make the mistake to just assume that everybody will accept these values. Because they won't. And that's something we need to defend.
The best way to defend Western Values is to apply them universally and equally !
Thought-provoking, thank you for this
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@@elrevesyelderecho Did you comment on the wrong video? Your comment makes no sense 🤔
Good conversations..... Common sense talking........
The largest piece of the puzzle, that no one on the right or the left seems to be willing to talk About, is that the sanctity of the individual and the concepts of personal freedom only work inside the framework of a society built on religious principle. The society has to be Homogenously, religious, and live within the boundaries of that religion, for things like freedom of speech to work. Religion adds the constraint to the society at large, so that laws that allow freedom, don’t get out of hand.
It is the Judaic Christian values that inform Western tradition.
An open society is not the same as a free society; even free society differs from free lynch...
Western values are freedom of speech, freedom of expression and a freedom to live your life how you choose within the laws of the country in which you reside and under the moral values taught within the Christian faith. What made the West great was those freedoms to innovate, freedoms to trade goods and services that enabled individuals to achieve the goals, whether thats via wealth or faith.
What has happened over the last few decades is the slow, but continuous infiltration of cultural Marxists into our education system, so all professions requiring candidates with university degrees acquire senior positions within their chosen profession, then they apply that same Marxist doctrine into their fields of work.
Political and social movements created to combat the left will only address specific problems. We need more centre right, conservative leaning intellectuals to enter the teaching and media professions to inject different prospectives in order to create more balanced content in what our children are taught and what we see on our screens.
The masses are like sheep and can be herd into the direction the powerful elites choose. It's been the same throughout history. The root cause pf our problem is the infiltration of our education system and it's the only way to reverse the trajectory we are on. Anything else is like applying a Band Aid on a severed limb.
Great discussion! Thank you. One of the problems is the tendency for synthesis-searching for values and creating a useful unity from different pieces scattered around. In my opinion, analysis is a more suitable approach for this pursuit. Analysis should guide us from the top down, from the Creator, and from the fundamental, absolute moral laws of creation. Then, after seeing the whole picture, we can easily differentiate what is suitable for us and what is not. Therefore, Western values are not a good starting point for most of human civilization. There's a humorous Russian expression for this: 'Putting an owl on a globe.'
The sanctity of the individual, sacrifice, forgiveness are christian values that shaped the west and should be preserved and build on.
The Magna Carta was written by an Irish priest. He was called back to Rome and stuffed into a closet for the rest of his life, and the document he created was ignored for the next 100 years. But it would be a stretch to say the foundations of the Magna Carta are not fundamentally Christian at a philosophical level.
Very true.
There were large aspects of freedom, liberty, democracy and rule of law in ancient Greece, Serbia, Asia and Northern Africa too.
" The Left has changed considerably' says Konstantin but is it driven by an overiding political directive from outside the West?
Great conversation from four brilliant young people.. Thankyou all.
When Zimbabwe was thriving,and a holiday destination, it was called Rhodesia. Totally different place.
Thank you Winston for stating the fact about the foundations of western society. Which is that we are created in the image of God and therefore have intrinsic value. That concept only comes from Christianity. Konstantin, the current state of Russia is directly attributable to communism!! How can you NOT acknowledge that truth?!! It’s extremely frustrating. Russia is only 40 years out of the grip of communism and only roughly 20 years into allowing Christianity back in. However I don’t doubt the Orthodox Church has been co-opted by govt bc that idea of religion being the opiate of the masses may still pervade the culture. It may take 80 years for that to dissipate
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Great discussion! There is no doubt that we are in good hands with people like you four. Don't despair just be stoic!
Our main value: individual freedom in responsability
Freedom, Democracy, Rule of Law, Christianity, Human Rights, the Value of the Individual none of them can be taken for granted we have always had to fight for them, that has never changed, so why are we doing it now? Outside Influencers via Internet, and also inside influencers within our own countries.
By Western over-tolerance of outside influences and influencers to justify Western 'fairness' and political correctness, which has been taken advantage of by those who want to destroy our democratic values and belief- systems.
@@heatherhinde6544 Would you say this applies to the liberal free world as a whole? Including in Africa, Latin America and Asia?
Thank you for this
It is not that we, in the Western world are privileged, it is more correctly said that we in the Western world are fortunate to have been born in this culture. Privilege connotes the sentiment that we do not deserve our traditions and values. Pick your words precisely to be the truth rather than alluding to something that is demeaning. Yes, I am fortunate to have been born in a culture that has managed to reach the level of knowledge and development that we have, it is my responsibility to ensure that the ideals of the West are continuously protected and improved for future generations. Other cultures are welcome to appropriate whatever aspect of our culture they desire, but they have to be worn that it comes at a great price to achieve. I can't help to think of Japan and Korea as two very distinct cultures that have appropriated some of our Western values to achieve a unique and local culture. They are still Korean and Japanese and very happy to be so.
Konstantin is a beast 🔥🔥
A great discussion, thank you.
Meaning comes from struggle, without struggle, people make up meaning (ideologies) or defer to hedonism... this is exactly whats happening now and has happened to many failing culutres in the past
My family are proudly left wing, however, I believe we should have a selective immigration policy that benefits the population. I have felt extremely guilty since the media convinced me I was a far-right racist. Now, I can see that, like those in the video, I am in limbo - thank you.
I love this! I think western values were brought to fruition world wide by the invention of the printing press. And are deeply rooted in literature. There's a different kind of thinking that evolved as a result but I have no clue how to day anything about it yet. I think JP comes close in Maps of meaning.
Thank you for content
Very informative
Hallelujah!!! I’m blessed and favored with $60,000 every week! Now I can afford anything and support the work of God and the church. For Your glory, LORD! HALLELUJAH!
Oh really? Tell me more! Always interested in hearing stories of successes.
This is what Ana Graciela Blackwelder does, she has changed my life.
After raising up to 60k trading with her, I bought a new house and car here in the US and also paid for my son’s (Oscar) surgery. Glory to God.shalom.
I know Ana Graciela Blackwelder, and I have also had success...
Absolutely! I have heard stories of people who started with little or no knowledge but managed to emerge victorious thanks to Ana Graciela Blackwelder.
Africa had a great interview with Jordan Peterson a few years ago. She had such a gentle mood about her, I don't know how we haven't seen more of her
As a 70 yo ... this is refreshing to hear... thank y'all
Fine discussion. You explored a wide range of issues and offered sophisticated nuances.
It was smart to end with a call to action.
Now we must clarify terms, identify work needed, and lay out steps to achieve that. “Left” and “right” are obsolete, relics of the French Revolution, 1789. Put them aside. There is only one relevant measure in all politics: how much power we give to government.
We need some framework for how we act together. But that creates immediate conflict between freedom of the individual and power of the State.
The US Constitution was written explicitly to define and limit government power.
Set a hard limit on how much of the economy we give government, all in. That limit includes cash taxes; unfunded mandates; borrowing; cost of laws, rules, regulations; theft through inflation from over-printing money, and similar. There must be a hard limit on total grab by government.
Hard term limits for politicians and bureaucrats. Politics is a service, to give back for our blessings, not a career, much less lifetime sinecure.
Would you like details to: (i) redirect public anger at government excesses, (ii) pull parasites away from feeding trough, and (iii) restore properly-aligned feedback mechanisms.
If these 4 are any indication western thought, traditions and civilization in general are in pretty good hands.
Great dialogue, thank you
I remember thinking as a teenager in the 70's, can places like America survive their own success, the nostalgia of keeping the trappings and continually distancing yourself from the cultural and traditional glue that underpinned the achievements of your society...
The dude from Mumford and Sons has found a new career.. he also plays a great Banjo
I have so much respect for these young people it’s inspiring and I’m so proud your having this conversation your educating me with your humility.
I hope the ARC will one day, perhaps in July 2025, organise a MILLION PERSON MARCH FOR DEMOCRACY in central London. I am not sure a million would attend!!! Sorry . . I do not have the resources to do it myself.
Excellent conversation. Keep doing what you’re all doing. 🙌
This is not a matter of 'silk,' it is about not losing sight of WHY-for what purpose you were born and why you have the privilege of 'slееping on silk sheets.' For what reason do you have extra power in the material world? Therefore, there is nothing wrong with accumulating billions and trillions. What you do with it-that is the question.
Education is the key. You are absolutely right. If we will be able to change paradigm of education - everything will be fine.
I think the point is that the silk sheets mean a lack of adversity or struggle, which are great educators. And without those drivers you need to choose to make your life difficult, which very few people are hard wired to do.
Great people in a great talk!!!
I love Eva.
Very interesting discussion which gives us all hope that our democratic values can be preserved. Thank you for sharing your insights and experiences.
"Life is prescious" is a core Tibetan Buddhist value!
The younger generation has been brought up without parameters, that's important and makes them want to control people as they have no understanding of self control.
When Yin become extreme it turns to Yang. When Yang become extreme it turns to Yin. The room for optimism comes from how extreme things have become.
Very level - headed and balanced intellectual discussion. A refreshing change from woke tainted and politically correct and highly charged American programmes .
I break things into pro-human vs anti-human. In that regard, character matters. I also say that we now know what we don't want and why. So that is why I am stunned by the UK's new vote. How not to lose hope? I'm Canadian and just found out we have a non voted in Senate which is stacked with Liberals (politics are not my Forté). Tears haven't stopped flowing since. I'm a simple person, and no longer can see our way through this.