As someone who works on mountain bike suspension for a living, I can say with absolute certainty that those shocks are not going to perform as the user would hope. The ones in the video are Rockshox Monarch R units but the same issue would apply to all bike shocks, and that is that the force required to get them moving relies on huge leverage ratios from the linkages of the rear of a bike frame. The way they're mounted here on the skis won't exert enough leverage to overcome the inherent friction of the seals and damping components unless they're run at very low air pressure (way less than the working parameters that they're designed for) and in running them with very low air pressure you're not going to see any correct function of the shock as you rely on the high pressure to maintain correct compression and rebound damping. These units on the skis do nothing other than give them kudos because they can say they're using high tech MTB shocks. They're completely the wrong type of unit for what they're trying to achieve here with this design.
Potential issues: 1. Mount point is now way outside of manufacturer rec, so no warranty, and you're mounting into a narrower part of the ski with added weight. 2. Will the brake still work well with the binding being much higher off the ski? 3. The only possible market I see for this is older people who will now be experiencing falls from a taller height with the added height. 4. Potential loss of maneuverability with the shocks will probably lead to people accidentally holding their edge longer and preventing them from hockey stopping therefore continuing momentum into an unwanted direction = more collisions. 5. Probably the most important, how much more effort is it going to take to get back to center if you land backseat and then have to fight the suspension to get back up and how many more ACL injuries will it cause. 6. more prereleases because the ski binding is now moving in the air with extra force in a way it wasn't designed for? So many more, I'm sure they're skiable and get the idea of wanting to add suspension to a ski but it's just a bad idea for so many reasons in my opinion.
Less energy into the skier. By newtons law that also means less energy the skier can put into the ski. This is just a very niche product for people who don’t value performance in skiing.
It's only going to limit vibration frequencies in the vertical plane. Transaxial forces and horizontal edge forces, the most common rider input will not be effected. Definitely still a niche product but innovation only comes from trying weird shit and seeing what happens. No one is telling you you have to buy it. It will affect the front to rear ski loading to some extent but I'm curious how that would affect the actual ride feel overall. There are definitely some specific scenarios and specific people who this might be very beneficial to or at least a cooler way to spend money than going to the casino 🤷
I have so many questions haha. It seems like a concept development-level prototype where you have picked some ideas you want to test and you just rig up an easy way to test the basic ideas. I can see a future version compressing an elastomer or some kind of leaf spring and a simplified damper setup that better fits the application. Probably with a wide-open rebound circuit to help you out of turns. The product itself is wild but the idea is so interesting
As someone who has been in the ski industry 40 years I have seen many changes. Some good, some bad. But I have learned never to knock it until you try it. I had the second pair of rockered skis ever made, the Volant Spatula given to me by McConkey. I skied those for years with people skeptical and not wanting to try them. Then all big mountain skis became rockered and suddenly everyone thought they were great. So this really doesn't strike me as something that will work but I am interested to see what you find.
Isn’t the flex in the carbon going to affect your DIN setting? I feel like when you apply pressure the binding is going to tighten on the boot and not release when it should and otherwise during normal riding you’re going to have to cruise with a lower din as a result
Just the way you are already at the max of the suspension while stepping on it tells everything 😂. Imagine on a jump and repetitive shock.. I can't wait to hear your thoughts while skiing
Does it come with rider weight recommendation for sag settings and rebound etc. Also any mountain biker who rides in colder months knows the air pressure in your warm garage vs cold trail effects the air pressure in the shock. Also if you pressureize it in super cold and and then take the skis insidenwill it blow the seals?
Is it April 1st already?? $2000 to add a ton of weight, have binding screws go into thinner non-metal reinforced parts of the ski, slow reactions to the skier pressuring the ski into a carve, and as you say the suspension plate getting packed with snow after one run. Worse it's an idea to solve a problem that doesn't really exist, bearing in mind the ski & boot already flex to absorb shock.
I was joking last week during on the last runs on my first day of the season when ripping over chunky hardpack "gee some suspension would be nice right now" IT WAS JUST A JOKE IN MY HEAD
Based on mounting points, it will impact the ski flex and behavior, can’t see it being effective, you will also loose feedback from the ski, for sure not as precise
It's a bad look that Out Of is even reviewing these. The chances of injury are so much greater the farther your center of mass is from the ski edge -a licensed professional engineer
Okay… the developers are smoking some interesting weed. I can appreciate the desire to eliminate the vibration one can feel on a hard groomed slope in spring. Powder days? Fugedaboudit!! Angulation will be increased when carving BUT how will the skier feel the rebound of the ski? The price of the binding is complete total F U money! I will look at your follow up videos but in no way would I be interested in trying this version… let’s see what 2.0 brings.
Maybe a useful user group could be individuals with disabilities, such as those who have lost a leg or require adaptive skiing. This group could benefit from skiing longer with less impact?
Best way to have less fatigue... is to stay in the couch. You can also hire someone to ski for you.
And not add a ton of weight to your skis
As someone who works on mountain bike suspension for a living, I can say with absolute certainty that those shocks are not going to perform as the user would hope. The ones in the video are Rockshox Monarch R units but the same issue would apply to all bike shocks, and that is that the force required to get them moving relies on huge leverage ratios from the linkages of the rear of a bike frame. The way they're mounted here on the skis won't exert enough leverage to overcome the inherent friction of the seals and damping components unless they're run at very low air pressure (way less than the working parameters that they're designed for) and in running them with very low air pressure you're not going to see any correct function of the shock as you rely on the high pressure to maintain correct compression and rebound damping. These units on the skis do nothing other than give them kudos because they can say they're using high tech MTB shocks.
They're completely the wrong type of unit for what they're trying to achieve here with this design.
Potential issues:
1. Mount point is now way outside of manufacturer rec, so no warranty, and you're mounting into a narrower part of the ski with added weight.
2. Will the brake still work well with the binding being much higher off the ski?
3. The only possible market I see for this is older people who will now be experiencing falls from a taller height with the added height.
4. Potential loss of maneuverability with the shocks will probably lead to people accidentally holding their edge longer and preventing them from hockey stopping therefore continuing momentum into an unwanted direction = more collisions.
5. Probably the most important, how much more effort is it going to take to get back to center if you land backseat and then have to fight the suspension to get back up and how many more ACL injuries will it cause.
6. more prereleases because the ski binding is now moving in the air with extra force in a way it wasn't designed for?
So many more, I'm sure they're skiable and get the idea of wanting to add suspension to a ski but it's just a bad idea for so many reasons in my opinion.
@BigPurpleSkiSuit these were so some of my concerns also
Yea and also there is like 10 cm less of flex of the ski to use (how long the binding+shocks are)
Solid list beyond the obvious issues of: weight, price, and loss of responsiveness/performance.
Yo these look fire when I keep my eyes closed 💯💯🔥
😂😂😂
Less energy into the skier. By newtons law that also means less energy the skier can put into the ski. This is just a very niche product for people who don’t value performance in skiing.
It's only going to limit vibration frequencies in the vertical plane. Transaxial forces and horizontal edge forces, the most common rider input will not be effected. Definitely still a niche product but innovation only comes from trying weird shit and seeing what happens. No one is telling you you have to buy it. It will affect the front to rear ski loading to some extent but I'm curious how that would affect the actual ride feel overall. There are definitely some specific scenarios and specific people who this might be very beneficial to or at least a cooler way to spend money than going to the casino 🤷
Can I get them with an AT setup for backcountry?? 😅 can’t imagine these being successful with any target demo.
I hope anyone who buys these lands back seat on that rear shock
I may point and laugh 😅
I have so many questions haha. It seems like a concept development-level prototype where you have picked some ideas you want to test and you just rig up an easy way to test the basic ideas. I can see a future version compressing an elastomer or some kind of leaf spring and a simplified damper setup that better fits the application. Probably with a wide-open rebound circuit to help you out of turns. The product itself is wild but the idea is so interesting
Definitely feels like a janky way to achieve an interesting idea. Agreed on the elastomer approach which imo would make WAY more sense
If it’s reducing forces coming back into your body, wouldn’t it reduce the force you’re able to push into the ski?
Need one of those adaptive monoskiers to weigh in...
2055: wireless skis
I like how it’s removing feedback on the ski lol
I have to wonder that if you just added weight the ski if that would feel very similar.
As someone who has been in the ski industry 40 years I have seen many changes. Some good, some bad. But I have learned never to knock it until you try it.
I had the second pair of rockered skis ever made, the Volant Spatula given to me by McConkey. I skied those for years with people skeptical and not wanting to try them. Then all big mountain skis became rockered and suddenly everyone thought they were great.
So this really doesn't strike me as something that will work but I am interested to see what you find.
Really cool idea. I can’t wait to see the practical outcome!
Isn’t the flex in the carbon going to affect your DIN setting? I feel like when you apply pressure the binding is going to tighten on the boot and not release when it should and otherwise during normal riding you’re going to have to cruise with a lower din as a result
Take the shocks out and leave the raised carbon plate. Then you get your shock absorption from the plate flexing without the extra weight.
I bet the flex pattern feels buttery smooth.
Yes but how do they perform when you scorpion?
Just the way you are already at the max of the suspension while stepping on it tells everything 😂. Imagine on a jump and repetitive shock.. I can't wait to hear your thoughts while skiing
What’s the liability waiver look like?
@@brookscurran lol maybe I’ll send you a copy
Wouldn't the added wait make chair lift rides more insufferable? Feels like it would almost nullify the energy saved while skiing.
gonna see my dentist at the mountain rocking these
This video is a great idea. There's very little independent information on this product
Will be interesting to get some firsthand feedback on this.
Does it come with rider weight recommendation for sag settings and rebound etc. Also any mountain biker who rides in colder months knows the air pressure in your warm garage vs cold trail effects the air pressure in the shock. Also if you pressureize it in super cold and and then take the skis insidenwill it blow the seals?
If you want more performance and less fatigue for half the price get a Ski-Mojo from France. Now available in the USA.
In a time when the cost of skiing is getting more prohibitive, the success of something can make a bad situation worse.
Is it April 1st already?? $2000 to add a ton of weight, have binding screws go into thinner non-metal reinforced parts of the ski, slow reactions to the skier pressuring the ski into a carve, and as you say the suspension plate getting packed with snow after one run. Worse it's an idea to solve a problem that doesn't really exist, bearing in mind the ski & boot already flex to absorb shock.
Putting a set of Blizzard Thermos on my trail bike. Gonna hit the slopes with my pickle ball racket and 9 iron.
I was joking last week during on the last runs on my first day of the season when ripping over chunky hardpack "gee some suspension would be nice right now"
IT WAS JUST A JOKE IN MY HEAD
Pretty bad idea. Skier will have to use more energy to make larger movements to affect the ski.
It’s gonna ruin the feeling of the ski your gonna get a massive dead spot where there is no feeling and the ski won’t flex property
Curious about that too
@ They’re fixing a problem on one had
Those Rangers are so damn sexy. Very skeptical on the suspension system. That’s a ton of added weight.
Based on mounting points, it will impact the ski flex and behavior, can’t see it being effective, you will also loose feedback from the ski, for sure not as precise
It's a bad look that Out Of is even reviewing these. The chances of injury are so much greater the farther your center of mass is from the ski edge -a licensed professional engineer
The binding is so far away from the ski. Skiing is gonna be so wierd
Nothing like falling and getting impaled by your binding
Okay… the developers are smoking some interesting weed. I can appreciate the desire to eliminate the vibration one can feel on a hard groomed slope in spring. Powder days? Fugedaboudit!! Angulation will be increased when carving BUT how will the skier feel the rebound of the ski? The price of the binding is complete total F U money! I will look at your follow up videos but in no way would I be interested in trying this version… let’s see what 2.0 brings.
These look so heavy
Maybe a useful user group could be individuals with disabilities, such as those who have lost a leg or require adaptive skiing. This group could benefit from skiing longer with less impact?
Idk about that
This is the Rotational CLEWs for skis, lol.
They wont be here in 2 years.
Just buy a Stockli
Great idea but has been implemented poorly
Words fail me to describe how unbelievably dumb this is…😂