I’m a graduated senior this year and COVID has practically ruined everything about college life for everyone. Some aren’t even leaving to go to college, but still paying full price. Bonkers.
How about take the required courses at your local community colleges and then transfer? It's literally the same thing but the cost of CC is just pennies. You all are going to be going on Zoom and Canvas (or whichever online course site) by the end of the day so idk why y'all are not taking advantage of that.
How to go to any non-ivy university without taking an SAT: 1: Graduate HS w/ >3.0 GPA. 2: Finish a transfer associate's degree at your local community college w/ >3.0 GPA. 3. Do a single 8 hour shadowing shift for the job you want to do in your degree field. Or just any job in your degree field. 4. Apply as a transfer student with over 60 college credits at honor status, honor status high school diploma, intern experience relevant to the field, and letters of recommendation from your professors and the professional you are shadowing. No state college in the country is going to turn down this application over the sea of standard high-school graduates that you are competing for a spot with. Plus, you are paying for only 60 university credits compared to the 120 that the true freshman are, and you will both earn the same degree from the same university.
This. I had a 2.5 GPA in high school, didn't get into any college. Then, I did CC for 2 years with all A's, and got into a top 30 university in my State. Community college is not emphasized nearly enough as it should be
Lonny Hennessy - Absolutely correct! In addition to your recipe making an application to transfer into the name brand school “look” better, a student who has been able to do all that shows actual on-the-ground grit and determination, rather than “merely” showing potential. On the flip side of this, a lot of college education does not take place in the classroom, lab or library, but through unscripted impromptu interactions, and there’s almost invariably more of a chance to have those interactions while living in the dorms or nearby housing at a four-year college than while attending a two-year commuter school. But your higher bank balance and/or lower student loan debt plus a head start on your career likely will make that a worthwhile trade off. And if ultimately you earn a graduate degree after following your recipe, where you spent your freshman and sophomore years will be utterly irrelevant.
Hell, if you had a SAT score above 1400, good EC involvement, stellar LoR's, in addition to all of this, you might even be able to transfer into an Ivy League. Ivy Leagues do take community college transfers (From what I've heard they take more CC transfers than form state schools . . . Idk why or if that's true)
@@boomdigity1028 The problem is that many Ivy Leagues (and private universities) will not accept all CC transfer credits, extending graduation and making college cost more. State universities, on the other hand, have articulation agreements with CCs in their state, making it super easy to transfer credits and graduate on time.
Here in Pakistan my friend got a SAT score of 1570 on his first try and after hearing its not a requirement anymore he got so mad. Edit: He got into Yale.
Tell your friend to submit it anyway, a submitted high test score >> no test score, even if the universities claim against that. It also shows that your friend can plan ahead and has been thinking of traveling to the US for a while.
Bruh a 1570 will help a lot. Just because it’s not required doesn’t mean that colleges won’t take it into consideration, and the vast majority of applicants will still submit some sort of standardized test. A 1570 is really good!! I’m proud of your friend.
Idk about the SAT, but school GPA’s are about the least effective way to compare students. Rich people can pay certain private schools for a high GPA. In public schools the kid who brings cookies for the teacher every class will get higher marks on essays or other subjective marking schemes. Some teachers are ‘super nice’ and give everyone infinite retakes on tests. Other teachers swear to keep their average at a C. GPA’s vary wildly across different secondary schools, and I’d hate to see more weight being put on this.
Not even just paying, plenty of schools are literally just easy or hard. My schools is so Fucking easy just normally. It’s a public school, no one pays. But it’s absurdly easy and my gpa is about 3.9 and I have studied literally twice in my high school career.
Jake Harrison lol same, i dont even know what are the names of the lessons when it comes to the tests. I have studied for the sat more than i have studied the last 3 years
There are schools which have much lower bar to get perfect GPA. But some gifted schools are more difficult because it is popular of the reputation and selection process is tougher. I think this will make things worse for good student, but increase the chances for mediocre students to attend Ivy leagues.
Last year it wasn’t. It’s a district by district case. My district in Arizona chose to do it online only as our district was already closed because of the pandemic
The SAT can go burn. From my experience, test prep is a mind-numbing and sad environment that parents pay hundreds of dollars for because of the insecurities that the education industry pushes onto them. If you want to avoid this seriously just go to city college, you'll dodge most standardized testing and save tens of thousands of dollars on tuition.
I quite literally did no studying whatsoever and got a 1240. Granted, studying in the past has usually made me do worse on whatever I’m studying for. But regardless, the only thing you need to know is some pretty basic test taking strategies, and you can get that for free from basically any teacher, and even your parents if they’ve done something similar.
Umm bruh you don't even have to spend anything... just go online to KA and do the 10 practice tests and the many diagnostic tests. You should be able to get a 1500+ If you practice arduously
just to make u feel better,that we arent alone,other countries also have a rat race to uni Here in india its called Joint Engineering Exam (for engineeering) and All India Medical Test(for docs)....we have to write exam with atleast 4-5million people to get a rank...your rank tells u where u stand in this rat race involving each and every student in this country
@@mukulsinghparmar854 True Indian Education System is extremely hard. SAT was a joke to me and my friends when we were in grade 9. We could do all the questions so easily.
@@mukulsinghparmar854 When I saw the movie "3 idiots" the Indian Education System, was very similar in a negative way. I feel like Indians think America is the holy grail of education but in reality it's the same, we just have more money. Most of the money goes to the military.
Honestly education is just and industry like any other, with people at the top trying to make as much money as possible. It's unfortunate that students have to spend enormous amounts of money and go into debt to compete in the sick game that these institutions have created to maximize their own profits.
Pushy yes, for the most part the only videos that actually help with school work are those specifically designed to follow a curriculum. As great as UA-cam and streaming services are they tend to give random bits of information that don’t add up to good grades. They also rarely delve into harder topics like those students have trouble with in school because these videos are for profit, and people don’t like watching hard stuff. I love this channel, but nebula still seems like a new and innovative way for procrastination.
I wish the College admissions Board could have taken an L sooner, and be reworked. The way people are manipulated by education institutions are horrendous. Could use it after the FGC exploding...
@Hdye Hdhde Vast majority of International students are from wealthy backgrounds and pay higher tuition rates than Americans. It is a cash cow for these "prestigious" universities and they are not going to make it hard for the wealthy international students to get in. This also applies to wealthy American students. In other words, if you have money and connected, these universities will bend over for you. George W Bush got into Yale University as a C grade high school student. There's nothing meritorious about these "top" universities. It's all about the MONEY!
@@clemhfandango. the world runs on money. You can complain about the unfairness of it all but being around people who have access to money is an environment more conducive to success because you're able to more easily mesh skill with capital to create innovation.
in Brazil, we have a mixed system. There is a national public test, ENEM, that the vast majority of federal universities uses. Some also make there own tests and divide the number of students that can join using each method. It is not hard IMO, only if you want Medicine or some few exceptions. Private unis can use it, as well as custom tests or your high school grades
it's not completely gone yet, but even if it is it's obviously still a great thing to have on your resume. and human nature just tells us that someone w a great sat score and great resume is gonna have a higher chance than someone with a great resume only.
@@danndidntask4057 bro to be really honest, i don't think a lot of the schools are going to keep the sat/act. regardless, i'd advise you build your resume from the minute you step into high school, even if this still is around you can take like 5-6 months and prepare for it and get a decent score.
8:13 "Free SAT/ACT Exams" That comes with exceptions, I'm in the weird bracket where I'm not poor enough to be considered for it, but not rich enough to take it multiple times.
IMO SAT is too easy so nobody really care. Make college entrance exam once or twice in year under US department of Education and make it real harder like China does so we could see partial differential equation and linear algebra on math exam and student got 1% place can go MIT, Stanford, Ivy, etc how about that?
I have a child who is working on getting accepted into university, and my response to this video is: who cares. What a bunch of smoke and mirrors. And everyone knows it. I don't mean that universities provide no value. I'm an engineer who earned a university degree to become one, and I'm glad I did. But universities offer considerably less today than they did 20 years ago. That's why the smoke and mirrors aspect is ratcheting up. Coronavirus is just accelerating the pace a bit. Frankly, we should develop new ways of certifying a person's competence. And we shouldn't care how the person became competent. Just that they are.
Going "test-blind" means that colleges only consider GPA and puts those who go to tougher schools at a disadvantage. There are many high schools that go out of their way to counter grade inflation. On the other hand, there are also many schools who feel the pressure to give A’s to students that show up. You get a root problem that an ‘A’ at one school might actually be a ‘C’ at another. And being test-blind means you remove the extra dimension of seeing beyond subjective grading. Test-optional can be good, but test-blind will hurt many students who go to tougher schools who are actually getting a better education in the end.
The better schools have parents who care. They're not going to sit idly by while the college admission system fucks them over. They'll push the high schools to give out easier grades. So if standardized testing is removed, all you'll see is grade inflation.
@@djinn666 I'm from Italy, there's almost no standardized tests here and indeed tougher high schools put you at a disadvantage in terms of grades, I've seen people go from failing years to getting As just by changing school. Thankfully all the universities know this and don't care about marks, instead getting you to take an admission test specific to what you'll be studying or just letting you in.
I go to school in Ontario, Canada and we only have 20+ universities in the province and most students go to school in province. While we don’t have standardized testing, the schools account for grade inflation by looking at high school graduates admitted in the past and compare their high school performance to their university performance. With this system they can approx. the inflation at high schools. Sadly though, the US is too big and has too many schools for that system to work
@@djinn666 I don't think this just applies to better schools but there is already a strong pressure from parents on school grades, and without standard testing, it'll only get much worse, schools/teachers obviously cannot be relied upon to be objective, ultimately they'll cave to economic and employment pressures, worse than they already are with grade inflation.
You know, this year was my first year taking the SAT test in a low-income school where I studied heavily. My group of students that I tested with was grouped alphabetically and my last name starts with a V, so these are the last students. One student was mentally-impaired and enrolled in special education classes. He constantly asked loud questions to the testing advisor and made noises as well as scream a bit. Every one of the students I asked about how they felt during the test agreed he was a distraction but throughout the entire test the advisor would not remove him. I feel cheated knowing this might be the last score I have even if it is not as important, because I know I could have done better without impediments like that.
You can still sign up to take it another time. I’m probably gonna do it in August. If the test you took was recent, I think you can complain to college board about it since you did get distracted and the location wasn’t silent.
The only reason people migrate to us colleges despite the absurd competition and high prices is because they can get a job that'll pay it off in 3-4 yrs
Bhikari Pani we don’t get paid too little, as long as you don’t choose arts or some shit. I’m not saying our education system is perfect, but it is 100 times more simple and straight forward.
Trigger warning for parents who are dealing with the American *_Higher Education Industrial Complex._* I could write a horror novel about my experiences sending ... and paying for ... 2 Kids to attend American _Public_ Universities to earn Engineering degrees. My advice, suffice it to say: if a parent has a 7th grader or younger, do what I did for the 3rd kid: Have them become fluent (reading and writing) in a foreign Language (such as French, German, Dutch, ect.) and choose an EU University for study where the overall cost, all-in, are 85% lower.
@@artski09 I'll give it a shot. Could be cathartic for me. My rule (for my kids) is I don't pay for college degrees that have little/no value in the marketplace. If you want to major in 17th Century British lawn mowing, do it on your own dime. My concept of college is to enhance ones employment options, not to "Find ones self". Perhaps 40-50 years ago, _any_ college degree made a person stand out, but no longer. My goal is to help make my children Independent and critical thinkers, as well as *get them out of the house* so they can live their own lives on their own terms. I see far too many of my boomer contemporaries send their kids to college, and then the kid moves back in because they are stuck with $400 - $1000/Month in student debt (for 10 years) and/or did not get a degree that was in demand. 3 Kids. Oldest was accepted to University of Texas Austin. He wanted to pursue Petroleum Engineering (only 17 Universities even offered that degree at the time).. and none of them were in our State. So "Out of State Tuition" applies. He entered in the fall of 2012. "Rack Rate/MSRP" (Advertised all-inclusive cost including tuition, room, board - AKA: meal plan - and *expenses* ) at the time was *$38,600.00/Year* (Would be $24,000/year if in-state). Almost $46,000 per yer now. But, he got a few _Scholarships._ Reducing the MSRP down to the in-state tuition levels. When we toured the campus, the school concentrates their sell on Student lifestyle. The new Freshman dorms, the 24/7 Cafe's in the dorm basement, the pools, the college sports, Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium, the Fraternities and Sororities, the clubs, how well manicured the campus is, all the famous and rich alumni, the rec center(s), other activities, the futuristic performing arts center, near campus restaurants, theaters and bars, etc., etc. These Universities sell College as if it were a _Cruise Ship vacation package._ But Like any good Shyster, they don't tell you about all the gotcha's: The "Scholarship(s)" may only be for the first year. The Scholarships have a minimum GPA to maintain (in some cases, its a 3.5). The *expenses* "vary". The cost can, and will, rise year after year. And the FACT that 60% of the entering students take 5.5 years to earn a degree, not 4. That the major your kid wants, has requirements to even get into the department. That upper division classes are not offered every semester, and since just about every class has a prerequisite, if the student ever gets off track because of a poor grade, this may cause a semester to a full year delay in qualifying for graduation. Long story shorter, My son changed his major from PE to Civil Engineering, and took 5 years to graduate. My total out of pock cost for this Grand *Public Funded Institution:* $128,000 2nd kid, enters USC (yeah, THAT private USC in California) in my sons 5th year. So two in college simultaneously. The USC Rack Rate/MSRP: $64,000 per Year.
@@incognitotorpedo42 I only have direct experience in France, but yes. The tuition is the same for all admitted students, regardless of nationality. Remember the EU is a collection of highly ...dare I say ... Socialized Countries. So education is highly subsidized. BTW, you bring up a sore point with me. I responded here with my sad tale of woe regarding the cost of U.S. University for my kids in another comment. When my son was attending College at a PUBLIC University in Texas, his status was non-resident/out of state. And thus the fees were added, about $15,000/year at the time. BUT, Foreign Nationals that come from other Countries to these same Texas Public Schools, were treated as in-state residents. And were not subject to the non-resident tuition premium. Pissed. me. off. Also,...and now this is my opinion: I think EU Countries, specifically France, uses their low-cost University system as an _immigration filter._ In the U.S., we _Import_ uneducated impoverished peoples. *In France, 25% of ALL University Students there are International.* They _encourage_ International students to apply. An accepted student gets a Student Visa. And that Visa is ONLY good as long as the student does well in University. If the student is failing or drops out, France hustles that student back to their Country of origin. By the time an International student has completed University there, they are fairly assimilated into the French culture and society, and typically choose to stay. Thus France gets a selection of highly motivated (which is what one must be if they want to go to school abroad), productive, and college educated new residents paying their high(er) taxes. Added note: Attempting to go through the application and admittance process online for a French University is pointless. They do not return emails or phone calls. It is better that one travel there, and deal with that bureaucracy (its brutal) in person.
I wouldn't even be mad at honest system like that. 20% of slots going to highest bidders. And you have to post money for expected number of semester up front. This income can be used to subsidise the other students.
The OSSLT is hilarious because if you answered questions on a Grade 10 English test the same way you do the OSSLT, you'd have to retake Grade 10 English.
not really. people like me who have weaker resumes rely on their sat/act scores much more. also, like the video says, test optional is pretty trash because someone who has a good resume and at least an average or above average sat/act score is obviously going to have a higher chance than someone with a good or great resume.
Not really, it's more like a weeding out process now. Top schools will still want SAT scores and the burden of proving ur achievements will be that much greater if you don't take it. This will really only benefit high achievers who don't want to do extra work.
I remembered what a Japanese friend told me: In Japan, they eased the difficulty on standardized testing for students born around 94-95. They quickly realized that students enrolled in top tier universities weren't competent enough to handle the courses they enrolled in. The decision on eased testing was quickly reverted after that. Anyone know more about this?
I was studying 3 months ahead of that test while also balancing homework and tests of 4 ap classes. When it was cancelled, I never felt that much frustration before
Same =( studied for a month and a half. Now I don't have any motivation to do it again. What if it gets canceled again, I would have wasted so much time
Also huge tip for anyone in high school. No one will tell you this, but if you receive a SAT score over 1300 or ACT score over 29 you will be eligible for most college’s highest possible academic scholarship. This works heavily in favor for you when attending a state college. So if you still have time before heading to college or you are going into your senior year, DO NOT STOP TAKING THE SAT OR ACT UNTIL YOU ARE OVER 1300 OR 29! Even if you completed an early admissions application and have committed to a school you can keep taking the SAT or ACT to improve your score and make sure to report your new score to your college and they will increase your academic scholarship. This will save you thousands of dollars on tuition!
IMO SAT is too easy so nobody really care. Make college entrance exam once or twice in year under US department of Education and make it real harder like China does so we could see partial differential equation and linear algebra on math exam and student got 1% place can go no MIT, Stanford, Ivy, etc how about that?
@@tickbird8573 HECK NO. I would much rather have the holistic admissions that we have right now compared to just a pure SAT score determining my future.
@@MLGDatBoi the SAT and ACT engage in price fixing, both keeping their prices the same high amount, rather than competing by lowering prices until they both profit less
I would kill to be class of 2019. You have no idea how lucky you are. My entire senior year, everything I've worked for, was ripped out from under me. And now the college admissions process decided we weren't fucked up enough as it is.
I’m a high school graduate going to school in August. I took the ACT twice (once last September and again in November). I got into my top school, but I can’t take it again to try for a full-ride scholarship. I’m losing out on a chance at saving $40k and there’s nothing I can do about it. It sucks.
That sucks. I can't really empathise as I'm a university student in the UK. Over here, I got a scholarship and it never even considered my grades in anything. Only extracurricular stuff, an essay and an interview. For people with good grades, you get like a reward. Usually in my university it's around £1000 for being one of the best academic students in your particular group.
Shoney Carpenter many universities give you hell when transferring credits. It’s a massive nightmare for many and usually result in more wasted effort and money as a lot of stuff just doesn’t transfer. They find reasons why not take it
I did the AP history test, it was literally the easiest thing I did all year. We practiced for a 5 paragraph dbq with 7 available docs (i think) and it was shortened to 4 paragraphs and they removed the 50 question multiple choice + saqs. Easier grade but all my year wasted because so much of the material we learned wasn't used
I had extra time on my SAT (disability accommodations) but it was done in the most inconvenient way. I had more time than I needed to take the English portion, but I STILL ran out of time for the math portion. A reasonable person would suggest that I use the time I wasted waiting for the English portion to end to begin the math one, but my test would've been invalidated if I did that. 🙃
Can’t say enough how much of a good value AP tests are. I walked into my school with 15 credits and a lot of annoying prerequisite classes out the way. The price per credit with an AP test is around $30, whereas you usually pay $300-1000 per credit at a 4-year university.
I've gotten the feeling that colleges admitting students graduating in 2020 and 2021 are going to be super lenient about admissions. And most of them have already waived/changed the SAT/ACT score submission
I’m a final year student in a polytechnic, my guaranteed internship as part of my course program has now been virtually cancelled and being replaced by an alternative program that will begin in October, now all my classmates in the same course are terrified of our future as the 6 month internship was the main event of our 3 years of polytechnic over 2 years of college, allowing us to have actual work experience in our resume, which is now gone. All I’m wondering is what the future is going to be for students like me entering the workforce
I'm skippin' college, I just decided to work as a Real Estate agent like my mom. She doesn't even use her associate's degree, so I'm in the clear. My mother is someone who closes million $ homes which is pretty cool. That's 60k for 1.5 months worth of work. The cool thing is that she works with a partner and split the work and cash so IT'S EVEN EASIER. I want to work in a practical job and I want to, in the future, become a business owner. That is my passion, w/out the college debt.
I would very much like the idea which an educational system emphasizes more on individual strengths and weaknesses rather than standardized academic tests.
I've always said and I will say it again... if colleges require us to have SATs in our admissions, then we shouldn't have to pay every time to take the test or else it becomes a monopoly
@@livethefuture2492 you can thank the government for that if you live in the US. Many counties, especially in the midwest, require you to go to the school they decide, either based on range or preference within that range if they have multiple schools in that zone.
Honestly I think that standardized tests are a decent, granted very imperfect, way to compare students directly. GPAs change per school district or particular private schools, many students compete in academic tournaments (debate, history bowl, etc) or athletics that just can't he compared against each other, and writing essays takes writing styles that are also very hard to compare. I'd prefer to have the certainty of knowing I have a good score rather than being compared on some emotional factor like my life experiences, which clubs I happened to like, or that my particular admissions officer happened to have a bad day. Same thing is true for AP courses, but the problem is that not all schools have the same AP course availability. For reference, my stats are: SAT: 1540 Subject Tests: 790 US history, 790 physics, 790 math II (These are all on the new scale - out of 1600 for SAT and out of 800 for subject tests)
@@UmbraHand Lol I actually am finding out whether I got the diploma in about a dozen hours, but I never said IB was bad. It's the same as AP - they offer a good way to compare students on an even international level. Unfortunately, it's wayyy less popular than AP in the US, so in reality, it's hard to compare students (most of whom haven't done IB), especially given that there are two levels of difficulty (HL and SL).
I agree. Maybe if these tests could be government-sponsored like in most other countries this could be remedied significantly. The tests could be free and thus not discriminate against classes as much (rich people would still be allowed to pay for tutoring while poor people can't, but at least poor people now have the option to take the test multiple times), and it wouldn't have this disgusting duopoly between ACT and Collegeboard's SAT. However, what I suggested is a pretty socialist concept and I highly doubt the US would be willing to adopt a system such as this but only time will tell.
@@avisays350 I mean I think the local government should pay for your AP/IB/SAT/ACT tests if you have trouble paying for them. In my district, everyone's AP/IB tests are automatically paid for by the district, and SAT/ACT fee waivers can be acquired (and I did get them) for being below a certain wealth level. Other districts can also adopt this model, but making the tests free would totally ruin the test companies economically.
I never took the SAT or ACT. Started at a community college and then transferred to a university. SAT/ACT is pretty much a scam and unnecessary considering todays circumstances and wide socioeconomic gap. You may be able to do well on the SAT/ACT but then you need to worry about how to pay for tuition and survive as you do your education.
Same here, with slightly different details. I was homeschooled, so I took some college courses online, first one being a community college, then at a four-year college that I didn't have to formally enroll at to sample online courses. After I already had decent grades from their own school, I was accepted pretty easily. Also, there's plenty of reputable schools abroad, which often don't require any kind of testing. And since not a lot of Americans go abroad, you seem like valuable diversity to them, while getting the exact same degree, likely at a better ranked, cheaper, and quicker school than you would have realistically gotten into. I did my master's in the UK, and I know people who do that for a bachelor's, too. I'm adding this here in case anyone reading is making plans, because there are a lot of ways to get around these tests.
Sad that people have a surface level understanding of psychometrics. The SAT is a great measurement for cognitive ability and an incredibe predoctor for first year school performance. By the way, the SAT gaps exist DESPITE socioeconomic differences. Blacks in the top 10% of family income earners get an SAT score similar to the bottom 80% of white income earners. Before you blame racism, understand that blacks rate their quantitative skills higher than any other race (Asians, which objectively are the best, rate themselves lowest.) Lol
Took both and thought I got bad scores,(I got good scores I was just misinformed bye my AP/honors teacher, they were saying you need this scores for this(then I realized they were talking about ivy league schools)) kinda looking back on it it is a total wast of time and money and unwanted stress. Just go to a good community school and then transfer. You get the same paper at the end.
Let me throw in my two cents on this. For me, I had natural academic ability that lead me to breeze through most of grade school without ever having to learn how to try. Thus, I fell into that "low grades, high test scores" category, which can be one of the least desirable ones to be in. Luckily I did get into and through college, but I know that my test scores carried my application. So just from the perspective of people in my shoes, the diminution of test scores would be harmful. The question of test scores is definitely a tricky one- maybe they should put it on the SAT.
To be honest the SAT is just a literacy test with mid level arithmetic skills employed. Whenever I take it I score relatively high but I can see how others could find difficulty in it and I dont necessarily agree that it can be used as a high prediction agent used in seeing success in students
I'm glad these are being phased out, they really have little relevance to class competency. I recently graduated from engineering school and my scores were fine, my family is poor and I just had to study on my own, but most of the wealthy students who came in with near perfect scores were both middling in their classes and super frustrated with their poor grade. They are not going to be good engineers. I doubt they'll be in the field for long. I may not be a living thesaurus, but I know how to build and design a safe pipeline.
@@SA-pj3fz um did you even read what I wrote. The students who did well in the standardized exams did poorly in engineering class and make the university students look bad to employers. Its better to base decisions on a larger pool of data such as class grades, extracurricular work, and social outreach. The same way employers look at potential hires for graduate talent.
@@bluehotdog2610 have you ever been to a large University? I have, the best students were the ones who were driven, often struggling on their own with full time jobs on the side. The "objectivity" just leads to a new game to be played by rich parents. Tenacity and determination can not be calculated in a 6hr exam focused on algebra and reading comprehension, but it can be seen in past work, just like applying for a job.
nanochase I agree with everything you said. Colleges destroy crucial thinking skills for many who have so called high standardized test scores. All they care about is high grades but don’t know how to apply actual work in their field. And many graduate gloating over their plaques and don’t care to continue learning or growing in their field while those who learn in the field without testing go farther, too many are walking around like a used textbook and that’s it. All head knowledge but no wisdom or application which is useless.
College really isn’t scary. Not at all. I actually find it easier since you have a lot more time to do whatever you want. You spend far fewer hours in class everyday. Maybe like 3-4 hours a day vs 8 in high school. Manage your time well, do your work on time, learn how to study for tests, and you’ll be fine.
@@ShadowTheNinjaKitty its the study part that I'm worried about the most lol...haven't studied in.... basically ever. Ap env during lockdown was a slap in the face
So we’ll go from having a standardized test that Virtually all schools accept to back to having each college have its own standardized test. As an international student who had to travel 3 hours to my testing center, I wonder how much time i would have to have spent to get to the UC exam center And im guessing that a point system of how much that exam is weighted as opposed to GPA will be made public and standardized and the US college system will become just like the one i ran away from. Amazing!
Just have the high school final exams already be standardized (at least for each state) and then you can just compare those grades. Works for most of the world.
America has such wide variation in the quality of schools & students that some high schools would have massive fails while students at other schools would find finals to be comically easy.
Each state has different tests. New York has regents standardized testing for finals, which is why it’s one of the best in education. States like Florida have normal finals where teachers can put whatever they want so that you could get a 50 just for showing up. It wouldn’t be fair to the students who have to take harder tests.
@baby bean But having 50 different types of test scores being submitted to a school is very confusing. One kid got 100 points, another 1000, and yet another 30. Also, this gives an advantage to students from lower preforming states.
Everyone is missing the main point. With everything online, tuition costs will collapse. But the flip side is that STEM courses/degrees which require lab work, will now have crippling costs, because SOMEONE has to pay for the lab material, also for the tuition of the PhD students, which is where a LOT of undergraduate tuition goes nowadays. Fewer people pursuing degrees in physics, chemistry, biology, mathematics, means fewer engineers, doctors, physicists, new patents on chemicals, etc. People are thinking that this cultural shift will be a blessing. I predict people will regret it.
Colleges are already moving back to live and on-location classes. I have had to pay the gym fee, concert fee, this fee, tutoring center fee, that fee, etc. all for things I can’t currently access and the tuition isn’t changing at all. They’re going back to the way it was but with lots of hoops to jump through because of panic, and the prices haven’t changed.
You hit the nail on its head. I say that to lower the ever rising tuition costs, we also mandate universities (which don't pay taxes btw), to not give scholarships and built extravagent infrastructure for athletes and legacy students. Such projects are not at all related to academia, yet they increase costs dramatically for STEM students
Same for the arts. The graphic design and animation majors had no issue transitioning to online, but painting, drawing, sculpture, ceramics, printmaking, and photography majors struggled. We already spend over $100 per class each semester for supplies, now I had to find my own space to do my art class work? Along with two other art classes that also needed a significant amount of space? Don’t forget to have it stored somewhere so my family/visitors don’t touch it or else it’s back to square one. And wasn’t even the tip of the iceberg. It didn’t help that it’s mandatory that art majors take the beginning course for EACH of the listed courses above. Don’t get me wrong, my university’s art program has been amazing, but if we end up online again, I’m going to scream.
This is a clever move on the part of the universities. Tuition prices will collapse, or at least drop with the move to online learning. So one good way of increasing enrollment is to lower the barrier of entry. Since anything done online is virtually infinitely scalable, their hope is they'll be able to maintain the juicy profits by increasing the volume of eligible students.
I don't see why we don't use more video education. Why rely on the performance of a lecturer who can and does forget details when you can record one perfect lecture by someone more charismatic and engaging. Doing this at your own pace is a bonus. Replace "class time" with a tutoring hour or something.
@@sor3999 I agree with you. We should use more videos lectures. The problem is why pay 20K+ a year for what is effectively like Coursera, which is free or very low cost. The universities are making this move not because they truly care about students, but rather because they want to maintain their profits.
the sat doesn't show intelligence it shows how well you know the test itself. Fortune 500 company CEOs took it without preparation as adults and got 900s
i took it without studying and got a 1400 but i definitely would have gotten higher if i had the book. and keep in mind 1400 and 1500 is the difference between "good college" and "great college".
I’m in a weird situation with my parents right now. I got a 1510, which is what I want. Yet they still want me to retake it because it’s not good for “elite colleges”. I am not retaking a test to get 3 more problems right.
Here in Sweden, collage admission is entirely based on high school grades. There is a standardised test that you take in third (for math and swedish), 6 (math, swedish and english) and 9:th (for math, swedish, english, social studies, and nature studies) grade. first two are only designed to determine which student needs more help and the one in 9:th grade can only impact your grades positively, not negatively. Also, in Sweden you go to college after 9:th grade.
What do you mean by 9th grade scores can only impact positively, not negatively? If Alice and Bob are impacted positively, and nothing happens to Charlie and Denise, by default Charlie and Denis are still hurt because the college can only accept half the kids. Is college admissions not a zero-sum game in Sweden?
@@georgebrantley776 The standardized tests scores can only impact your grades positively. But that is only like 10% of your grades. The rest is from the lessons (how active you are, answering questions, smaller tests etc.) So if you perform good on the lessons but bad on the standardised test, no worries your grade will basically not be impacted. And if you perform bad on the lessons, you can make up for that on the standardised test. Hope that made more sense.
The US doesn’t do that because each state has different high school exams. New York has standardized finals for the whole state, while another state will have a teacher create the final and give 50 points for just showing up and writing your name.
Took my ACT last October as a senior, litterally had been 2-3 years since I learned some material on the test. Got accepted to the colleges I wanted to without the act score, being a strong essay writer and having sound leadership experience is much more valuable then a test score.
You’ll only be as ready to get rejected as the colleges will be to not get more than a handful of students due to mass rejections. Which is to say not at all.
I didn't even get into an average college because of my SAT scores, but when I went to community college for 2 years and transferred, I got into the best university in my state. This is why I think the SAT is absolutely stupid
@@ShadowTheNinjaKitty Its very obvious he meant his SAT scores weren't good enough to get him into decent colleges freshman, which is a shame because that fact that he got into great colleges as a transfer clearly indicates the limitations and flaws standardized testing has on kids
This makes me so glad I’m doing VCE where our version of the SAT (GAT) is used as a backup when students can’t do exams or when there is a discrepancy.
The SAT honestly feels like an obsolete relic at this point. I remember taking the test itself being hours of torture, even after attending a preparation class in which the test was simulated multiple times. It's really no fun taking a test for that long with only a few very short breaks, and it absolutely favors people who work well under pressure. Most colleges don't even require it anymore.
I went so long undiagnosed with ADHD and ASD which made school unbearable for me, phasing out the SAT and the ACT would tank my chances of getting into a college so hard
In Brazil each university has it's own test and you apply to the ones you want. The test is the only thing that matters, no one cares about high school grades, EC activities, essays about your persona. You can be and do whatever you like before taking the test. The down side is taking multiple tests in order to apply to multiple universities, but on the upside you get to be a kid and enjoy life in school without worrying some random college person will consider your life a waste and not worth it.
in Portugal it works like this. During the three years leading up to the university, all subjects count towards the average. it's about 7 or 8, I don't know if they added any. then we have 4 exams. biology and geology, physical Quimics, mathematics and Portuguese. each ezame can weigh up to 30% of the grade. which means that your grade only changes if you have a different grade by more than two values. the exams are not really to evaluate students, but to normalize schools, ensuring that none inflates students' grades. then, after 3 years the school gives you a final grade, the average. then we go to the education website and make an application, where we place our faculties in order of preference, from 1 to 6. each faculty gives a different importance to the value of the exams, so the average can be different for each university. in the end, the algorithm tells us what college we stayed at. it is usually one of the first three. this means that you can make an application for the university of medicine of Lisbon, for the university of letters of Madeira and for the university of engineering of Porto. no problem, the system says where we can enter, depending on our score and the score of other competitors. for example, one year the minimum medical grade may be 18.60 (0-20 scale) and the following year 16.80. depends on the notes of the people who apply. I sincerely prefer this system, because although we have exams, there is no "biggest exam of our life". of course we have the scary math and portuguese exams, but they are just as important as the others. The math exam is the One with more subjects, but the portuguese exam is the One with the worst grades. The exams are always in the same format, but they changed in 2020, in this change, you can fail 3 or 5 question (i don't remember now) without losing points. There are 5 obligatory questions and 15 non obligatory. In the non obligatiory you can choose 12 or 13 to awnser. And if you don't awnser to 4 or awnser them wrong, they don't count. The exams are made by a council, nominated by the ministery of education. So we have the theory that in years of legislative elections, the exams are easier. Ahahahahahah but Until now, this was true.
I lucked out hard as a senior. Without the SAT, I definitely wouldn't have been accepted to my college. I hope juniors will have some extra way to impress colleges.
I’m taking it in August, you can still take it and colleges will prefer a student who takes it anyway because they can at least see how well they can do in standardized tests.
as someone who went to a hard school, going based just on grades isn't fair to students who went to schools that are harder to get good grades at than easy schools. standardized tests are supposed to make it more fair across schools.
Which makes sense. It just sucks that standardized tests unfairly judge as well, since poor students are less likely to do well. There’s ways to practice without spending money, don’t get me wrong, but a lot of people don’t know about that. It also takes money to retake the exam, so while rich people can just retake and retake, if you’re poor it isn’t so easy. It’s also arguable whether the scores even say anything. The first time I took the ACT I got a 26. After a lot of practicing I got a 33. Guess what I learned in that time period in order to improve? A lot of stuff that didn’t really matter. I don’t even remember any of it now, and it’s only been a couple of years since I took it. I wasn’t any smarter after getting a 33 than I was with a 26. I was just better at playing the game, and that’s all I really think it is for the most part. If you want a general aptitude test, retaking it and practicing shouldn’t even be a thing. Because then all you’re testing for is whether someone can learn to play the game right, and study stuff that they won’t remember a year form now for hours. Because, in the end, am I any more college ready than someone who only took the ACT once, without studying, and got a 26? Nope. Not really. All it shows is that I had more dedication to study for a standardized test, which I really don’t think says anything about intelligence
In surprise the college board didn't get bailed out. Home Owners Association and private schools in my area got bailed out with the small business loans even though they aren't considered small business
I'm from another country . Came to USA in highschool. I never knew anything about the SAT until my graduation year. I got lucky and one test was happening in that weekend so I took it. Never studied or even thought it would matter as my HS GPA was 3.3. I did the test got an OK score. By then university applications had closed so I went to community college for the summer and fall semester. Applied to schools again as a transfer with some credits and I got into 4 schools that were good schools. Now I'm in TTU and my roommate said he took it like 4 times The SAT is stupid.
Test Prep doesn't actually significantly change your SAT score. It's all about your ability to think abstractly. I got 1190 on my first PSAT. The year following my next take, I worked to improve my brain and the way I thought about everything and my score increased to 1400 the next fall. (I'm hoping that the SAT doesn't become insignificant, I'm relying on my scores.) Learn how to think critically and abstractly. Look for meaning behind the obvious in everyday life and become interested in the subjects you learn at school. That will do better than any test prep. The only thing test prep can help you on is becoming familiar with what the test wants you to know and how they want you to think.
Going test optional is going to be difficult, things like essays and letters of rec will become a much larger deal. Most people aren't doing anything this summer. The lucky few who have internships will have a huge advantage. It doesn't matter what happens people will play the system to get what they want.
As the "Gifted" kid who did great on tests and was bad at turning in homework... that box of [???] is a whole ass Mood. Though really, I was fucked up by the lack of understanding from teachers, and that not turning in an assignment or doing so late the "solution" was to shame me and take off points, or sometimes not accept an assignment late at all. But I had high hopes through high school bc I consistently perform well on tests... and then I immediately flunked out of college.
The SAT and ACT are rather pointless, however I do think the AP test is an extremely good deal for most high school students. For one, most universities accept them if you get a 4 or a 5, some even take 3’s. They give you actual college credit and often times fulfill prerequisites too. The cost-per-credit value is insane, too. It breaks down to something near $30 per credit through AP’s, and $300-$1000 per credit at most public 4-year colleges. Also, at least from my experience, the rigor of AP courses best adequately prepare you for your first two years of college - I think my workload actually went down significantly when I came to college compared to my last two years of high school, so I felt like I was coasting while a lot of my fellow freshmen were having breakdowns come midterms. AP courses actually remind quite a bit of British A-levels. I was interested in applying to few English universities for a while, and they all seemed to want AP courses with scores of 4’s and 5’s from American students, rather than just SAT/ACT. It always struck me as rather obtuse that in the US the main college admissions exams really only care about English and Math. If you wanted to go to college to major in pre-med, shouldn’t your test scores on biology and chemistry exams be what matters, and serve as the best indicators as to how well you will do in that major? Perhaps the US education/college admission system should transition more to the British model, with AP’s becoming our equivalent of A-Levels. I would like to hear the opinion of some Brits on this though, since I’ve never personally taken A-levels.
I am not a Brit, but I am somewhat familiar with the British education system. I'd assume the reason why British universities look heavily on A-levels, while American colleges look more toward ACT/SAT (top tier colleges don't care that much because SAT/ACT is too easy for them, but mid tiers will) is because in Britain, university is a relatively narrow event. Students will sign up for Maths, and they will study Maths and pretty much only Maths, often only for 3 years and get their Bachelors. Meanwhile in the US, a math major will take a lot of gen ed, and probably also add on a minor/double major. At many American colleges you don't even declare a major until your sophomore year. So American colleges will consider APs but also realize that most American students end up changing their major. Meanwhile in Britain, you are more locked-in, so the A-levels are definitely relevant.
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@@harsh_adukia sat is designed for the average person and iit jee is designed for top stem students... I'm sure that if universities like mit and Caltech had their own testing it would be harder than iit-jee
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I’m a graduated senior this year and COVID has practically ruined everything about college life for everyone. Some aren’t even leaving to go to college, but still paying full price. Bonkers.
How about take the required courses at your local community colleges and then transfer? It's literally the same thing but the cost of CC is just pennies. You all are going to be going on Zoom and Canvas (or whichever online course site) by the end of the day so idk why y'all are not taking advantage of that.
@@jellybelly111 because kids are raised to treat and look down upon those who use public education.
You think that sucks, i paid tens of thousands to attend zoom university last semester 😳😰
Go to CC and take your basics online. Those who are paying full price for classes are not smart at all.
As a fellow senior, I just said meh, and continued on lol
How to go to any non-ivy university without taking an SAT:
1: Graduate HS w/ >3.0 GPA.
2: Finish a transfer associate's degree at your local community college w/ >3.0 GPA.
3. Do a single 8 hour shadowing shift for the job you want to do in your degree field. Or just any job in your degree field.
4. Apply as a transfer student with over 60 college credits at honor status, honor status high school diploma, intern experience relevant to the field, and letters of recommendation from your professors and the professional you are shadowing.
No state college in the country is going to turn down this application over the sea of standard high-school graduates that you are competing for a spot with. Plus, you are paying for only 60 university credits compared to the 120 that the true freshman are, and you will both earn the same degree from the same university.
This. I had a 2.5 GPA in high school, didn't get into any college. Then, I did CC for 2 years with all A's, and got into a top 30 university in my State. Community college is not emphasized nearly enough as it should be
Lonny Hennessy - Absolutely correct! In addition to your recipe making an application to transfer into the name brand school “look” better, a student who has been able to do all that shows actual on-the-ground grit and determination, rather than “merely” showing potential.
On the flip side of this, a lot of college education does not take place in the classroom, lab or library, but through unscripted impromptu interactions, and there’s almost invariably more of a chance to have those interactions while living in the dorms or nearby housing at a four-year college than while attending a two-year commuter school. But your higher bank balance and/or lower student loan debt plus a head start on your career likely will make that a worthwhile trade off.
And if ultimately you earn a graduate degree after following your recipe, where you spent your freshman and sophomore years will be utterly irrelevant.
Hell, if you had a SAT score above 1400, good EC involvement, stellar LoR's, in addition to all of this, you might even be able to transfer into an Ivy League. Ivy Leagues do take community college transfers (From what I've heard they take more CC transfers than form state schools . . . Idk why or if that's true)
@@Bill-ou7zp do you think it's possible for international community college student with 4.0 GPA to transfer in one of the top 20?
@@boomdigity1028 The problem is that many Ivy Leagues (and private universities) will not accept all CC transfer credits, extending graduation and making college cost more. State universities, on the other hand, have articulation agreements with CCs in their state, making it super easy to transfer credits and graduate on time.
I hope the SAT ends. CollegeBoard doesn’t care about the students at all. It’s all about the money to them...
Ashres it’s like it’s a company or something.
I agree. I don’t think that government monopolies should be allowed and if they are they shouldn’t focus on money.
Parker Alleman yeah. It’s a company that claims to be a nonprofit while their CEO bags millions annually.
James Smith facts.
Parker Alleman Sycophant. Go bootlick somewhere else.
Here in Pakistan my friend got a SAT score of 1570 on his first try and after hearing its not a requirement anymore he got so mad.
Edit: He got into Yale.
It won't hurt tho
@Science Geek a lot of people have achieved perfect scores. It's not even that hard.
Tell your friend to submit it anyway, a submitted high test score >> no test score, even if the universities claim against that. It also shows that your friend can plan ahead and has been thinking of traveling to the US for a while.
1570 should definitely still be submitted, just because the sat is optional doesn’t mean it won’t help with admissions anymore
Bruh a 1570 will help a lot. Just because it’s not required doesn’t mean that colleges won’t take it into consideration, and the vast majority of applicants will still submit some sort of standardized test. A 1570 is really good!! I’m proud of your friend.
Honestly it’s so weird that America’s national high school examination is handled by a private company.
Is it though?
@@DavidGonzalez-zg5ux yes
For the most part, it is.
@@DavidGonzalez-zg5ux Yes, it is really fucking weird.
The US has a history of privatizing what should be publically provided
Idk about the SAT, but school GPA’s are about the least effective way to compare students. Rich people can pay certain private schools for a high GPA. In public schools the kid who brings cookies for the teacher every class will get higher marks on essays or other subjective marking schemes. Some teachers are ‘super nice’ and give everyone infinite retakes on tests. Other teachers swear to keep their average at a C. GPA’s vary wildly across different secondary schools, and I’d hate to see more weight being put on this.
Exactly, grades are not objective, which is why we have standardised testing in the first place.
QuitLife lol 100% everyone pays fir grades in my school 😂 cant afford it though 🙂
Not even just paying, plenty of schools are literally just easy or hard. My schools is so Fucking easy just normally. It’s a public school, no one pays. But it’s absurdly easy and my gpa is about 3.9 and I have studied literally twice in my high school career.
Jake Harrison lol same, i dont even know what are the names of the lessons when it comes to the tests. I have studied for the sat more than i have studied the last 3 years
There are schools which have much lower bar to get perfect GPA. But some gifted schools are more difficult because it is popular of the reputation and selection process is tougher. I think this will make things worse for good student, but increase the chances for mediocre students to attend Ivy leagues.
Don’t forget, there was a glitch where the act wouldn’t submit. I had to retake it twice because of that. Happened all over the country
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Wdym? Is your test not in person?
Last year it wasn’t. It’s a district by district case. My district in Arizona chose to do it online only as our district was already closed because of the pandemic
The SAT can go burn.
From my experience, test prep is a mind-numbing and sad environment that parents pay hundreds of dollars for because of the insecurities that the education industry pushes onto them.
If you want to avoid this seriously just go to city college, you'll dodge most standardized testing and save tens of thousands of dollars on tuition.
@Happy Dude Dude that's false information
Just do the sat practice test on Khan academy 2-3 times and your SAT score should increase 50-100 points.
I quite literally did no studying whatsoever and got a 1240. Granted, studying in the past has usually made me do worse on whatever I’m studying for. But regardless, the only thing you need to know is some pretty basic test taking strategies, and you can get that for free from basically any teacher, and even your parents if they’ve done something similar.
@@MariamShehab yep. I spent over $100 in test prep but still scored low due to test anxiety.
Umm bruh you don't even have to spend anything... just go online to KA and do the 10 practice tests and the many diagnostic tests. You should be able to get a 1500+ If you practice arduously
Imagine doing the most important test in your life on a phone...
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The AP tests aren’t really that important at all
When its 1:10 am, u live in australia, and ur so bored that u watch videos about US schooling
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yeah this counts as humor to people with an actually fair and functional school system lmfao
@@anishsattaram3793 so you dont have a entrance exam? lol
just to make u feel better,that we arent alone,other countries also have a rat race to uni
Here in india its called Joint Engineering Exam (for engineeering) and All India Medical Test(for docs)....we have to write exam with atleast 4-5million people to get a rank...your rank tells u where u stand in this rat race involving each and every student in this country
@@anishsattaram3793 I'm a fairly patriotic American, but even I can't deny our education system is pretty mediocre.
Me: books my SAT exam next month
Polymatter: The end of SAT?
In America not in India . Indian education system is different from American.
It will still be useful on the application if you get a good score.
@@mukulsinghparmar854 True Indian Education System is extremely hard. SAT was a joke to me and my friends when we were in grade 9. We could do all the questions so easily.
@@mukulsinghparmar854 When I saw the movie "3 idiots" the Indian Education System, was very similar in a negative way. I feel like Indians think America is the holy grail of education but in reality it's the same, we just have more money.
Most of the money goes to the military.
Honestly education is just and industry like any other, with people at the top trying to make as much money as possible.
It's unfortunate that students have to spend enormous amounts of money and go into debt to compete in the sick game that these institutions have created to maximize their own profits.
"Do you have trouble being productive? Then why not get this new entertainment video streaming service!"
Bit of a stretch, doncha think?
Videos are better for entertainment rather than learning
@@DiversionG except for Khan academy's*
DiversionG Not inherently true but most of the time yes.
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Pushy yes, for the most part the only videos that actually help with school work are those specifically designed to follow a curriculum. As great as UA-cam and streaming services are they tend to give random bits of information that don’t add up to good grades. They also rarely delve into harder topics like those students have trouble with in school because these videos are for profit, and people don’t like watching hard stuff. I love this channel, but nebula still seems like a new and innovative way for procrastination.
**laughs in Canadian, where my grades are the only factor in my admissions**
Happy independence day
Unless.....
Same in the French system
@@darcflame37 that was two days ago
Laughs in Argentina. All universities are public and anyone -con- can study here for free (even immigrants)
I wish the College admissions Board could have taken an L sooner, and be reworked. The way people are manipulated by education institutions are horrendous.
Could use it after the FGC exploding...
Hdye Hdhde Then the SAT should be required for International students and not American students.
Interesting opinions, I must say.
@Hdye Hdhde Vast majority of International students are from wealthy backgrounds and pay higher tuition rates than Americans. It is a cash cow for these "prestigious" universities and they are not going to make it hard for the wealthy international students to get in. This also applies to wealthy American students. In other words, if you have money and connected, these universities will bend over for you. George W Bush got into Yale University as a C grade high school student. There's nothing meritorious about these "top" universities. It's all about the MONEY!
@@clemhfandango. the world runs on money. You can complain about the unfairness of it all but being around people who have access to money is an environment more conducive to success because you're able to more easily mesh skill with capital to create innovation.
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*laughs in India where marks in one single test decide whether you get into a good uni or not*
You literally get an 'All India Rank'
if you think that's hard, look at Korea's CSAT
@@yashvangala China's GaoKao :p
in Brazil, we have a mixed system. There is a national public test, ENEM, that the vast majority of federal universities uses. Some also make there own tests and divide the number of students that can join using each method. It is not hard IMO, only if you want Medicine or some few exceptions. Private unis can use it, as well as custom tests or your high school grades
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@@Dominus_Potatus good one
When you’re so early you’ve already taken the SAT and it’s removal is no longer helpful to you (even though you wish it was)
It's still useful in your application
That’s why you procrastinate ^^
it's not completely gone yet, but even if it is it's obviously still a great thing to have on your resume. and human nature just tells us that someone w a great sat score and great resume is gonna have a higher chance than someone with a great resume only.
Just graduated 8th grade I’m hoping hard
@@danndidntask4057 bro to be really honest, i don't think a lot of the schools are going to keep the sat/act. regardless, i'd advise you build your resume from the minute you step into high school, even if this still is around you can take like 5-6 months and prepare for it and get a decent score.
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That comes with exceptions, I'm in the weird bracket where I'm not poor enough to be considered for it, but not rich enough to take it multiple times.
Isn't the ACT $20?
The ACT is normally around $50 D:
“The middle class”
Don't do that. Don't give me hope.
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IMO SAT is too easy so nobody really care. Make college entrance exam once or twice in year under US department of Education and make it real harder like China does so we could see partial differential equation and linear algebra on math exam and student got 1% place can go MIT, Stanford, Ivy, etc how about that?
Tickbird that’s just Gaokao
I have a child who is working on getting accepted into university, and my response to this video is: who cares. What a bunch of smoke and mirrors. And everyone knows it. I don't mean that universities provide no value. I'm an engineer who earned a university degree to become one, and I'm glad I did. But universities offer considerably less today than they did 20 years ago. That's why the smoke and mirrors aspect is ratcheting up. Coronavirus is just accelerating the pace a bit. Frankly, we should develop new ways of certifying a person's competence. And we shouldn't care how the person became competent. Just that they are.
Going "test-blind" means that colleges only consider GPA and puts those who go to tougher schools at a disadvantage. There are many high schools that go out of their way to counter grade inflation.
On the other hand, there are also many schools who feel the pressure to give A’s to students that show up.
You get a root problem that an ‘A’ at one school might actually be a ‘C’ at another.
And being test-blind means you remove the extra dimension of seeing beyond subjective grading. Test-optional can be good, but test-blind will hurt many students who go to tougher schools who are actually getting a better education in the end.
The better schools have parents who care. They're not going to sit idly by while the college admission system fucks them over. They'll push the high schools to give out easier grades. So if standardized testing is removed, all you'll see is grade inflation.
Q0ET9U... and then everyone has all A’s and no one must work or actually learn
@@djinn666 I'm from Italy, there's almost no standardized tests here and indeed tougher high schools put you at a disadvantage in terms of grades, I've seen people go from failing years to getting As just by changing school. Thankfully all the universities know this and don't care about marks, instead getting you to take an admission test specific to what you'll be studying or just letting you in.
I go to school in Ontario, Canada and we only have 20+ universities in the province and most students go to school in province. While we don’t have standardized testing, the schools account for grade inflation by looking at high school graduates admitted in the past and compare their high school performance to their university performance. With this system they can approx. the inflation at high schools. Sadly though, the US is too big and has too many schools for that system to work
@@djinn666 I don't think this just applies to better schools but there is already a strong pressure from parents on school grades, and without standard testing, it'll only get much worse, schools/teachers obviously cannot be relied upon to be objective, ultimately they'll cave to economic and employment pressures, worse than they already are with grade inflation.
You know, this year was my first year taking the SAT test in a low-income school where I studied heavily. My group of students that I tested with was grouped alphabetically and my last name starts with a V, so these are the last students. One student was mentally-impaired and enrolled in special education classes. He constantly asked loud questions to the testing advisor and made noises as well as scream a bit. Every one of the students I asked about how they felt during the test agreed he was a distraction but throughout the entire test the advisor would not remove him. I feel cheated knowing this might be the last score I have even if it is not as important, because I know I could have done better without impediments like that.
You can still sign up to take it another time. I’m probably gonna do it in August. If the test you took was recent, I think you can complain to college board about it since you did get distracted and the location wasn’t silent.
Me: Spends thousands on SAT tutoring
2020: haha
Thousands? What field are you looking to enter?
@@bobby_tablez I'm curious too
@@bobby_tablez I don't think the SAT tutoring is for a particular field of study, but for certain 'Brand name' schools and/or more scholarship funds.
Enders Tenders it’s like I want to feel bad for you but...
That was an intelligence test, and you failed spectacularly.
How I got into university in Denmark: go online, press apply. If my high school grades are high enough, I get in, if not, I can write an application..
Look, none of this is relevant if you can get a decent job
The only reason people migrate to us colleges despite the absurd competition and high prices is because they can get a job that'll pay it off in 3-4 yrs
If you can get same high paying job else where not many would bother to go to us universities
Bhikari Pani we don’t get paid too little, as long as you don’t choose arts or some shit. I’m not saying our education system is perfect, but it is 100 times more simple and straight forward.
@@victorlahm4359 can foreigners apply?
Covid19: Prepare for trouble
G4 H1N1 virus: *And make it double*
To protect the world from devastation.
@@alexandertownsend3291 Unite all peoples within our nation.
@@KentoCommenT for the world greatest federation
Random Dude what do you mean?
@@tearem9703 WABAFETTTT
Trigger warning for parents who are dealing with the American *_Higher Education Industrial Complex._*
I could write a horror novel about my experiences sending ... and paying for ... 2 Kids to attend American _Public_ Universities to earn Engineering degrees. My advice, suffice it to say: if a parent has a 7th grader or younger, do what I did for the 3rd kid: Have them become fluent (reading and writing) in a foreign Language (such as French, German, Dutch, ect.) and choose an EU University for study where the overall cost, all-in, are 85% lower.
could you write a short story?
Do EU schools take American kids for the same low price as locals? This seems like the ultimate in-state/out-of-state thing.
@@artski09 I'll give it a shot. Could be cathartic for me.
My rule (for my kids) is I don't pay for college degrees that have little/no value in the marketplace. If you want to major in 17th Century British lawn mowing, do it on your own dime. My concept of college is to enhance ones employment options, not to "Find ones self". Perhaps 40-50 years ago, _any_ college degree made a person stand out, but no longer. My goal is to help make my children Independent and critical thinkers, as well as *get them out of the house* so they can live their own lives on their own terms. I see far too many of my boomer contemporaries send their kids to college, and then the kid moves back in because they are stuck with $400 - $1000/Month in student debt (for 10 years) and/or did not get a degree that was in demand.
3 Kids. Oldest was accepted to University of Texas Austin. He wanted to pursue Petroleum Engineering (only 17 Universities even offered that degree at the time).. and none of them were in our State. So "Out of State Tuition" applies. He entered in the fall of 2012.
"Rack Rate/MSRP" (Advertised all-inclusive cost including tuition, room, board - AKA: meal plan - and *expenses* ) at the time was *$38,600.00/Year* (Would be $24,000/year if in-state). Almost $46,000 per yer now.
But, he got a few _Scholarships._ Reducing the MSRP down to the in-state tuition levels. When we toured the campus, the school concentrates their sell on Student lifestyle. The new Freshman dorms, the 24/7 Cafe's in the dorm basement, the pools, the college sports, Darrell K Royal-Texas Memorial Stadium, the Fraternities and Sororities, the clubs, how well manicured the campus is, all the famous and rich alumni, the rec center(s), other activities, the futuristic performing arts center, near campus restaurants, theaters and bars, etc., etc. These Universities sell College as if it were a _Cruise Ship vacation package._
But Like any good Shyster, they don't tell you about all the gotcha's: The "Scholarship(s)" may only be for the first year. The Scholarships have a minimum GPA to maintain (in some cases, its a 3.5). The *expenses* "vary". The cost can, and will, rise year after year. And the FACT that 60% of the entering students take 5.5 years to earn a degree, not 4. That the major your kid wants, has requirements to even get into the department. That upper division classes are not offered every semester, and since just about every class has a prerequisite, if the student ever gets off track because of a poor grade, this may cause a semester to a full year delay in qualifying for graduation.
Long story shorter, My son changed his major from PE to Civil Engineering, and took 5 years to graduate. My total out of pock cost for this Grand *Public Funded Institution:* $128,000
2nd kid, enters USC (yeah, THAT private USC in California) in my sons 5th year. So two in college simultaneously. The USC Rack Rate/MSRP: $64,000 per Year.
@@incognitotorpedo42 I only have direct experience in France, but yes. The tuition is the same for all admitted students, regardless of nationality. Remember the EU is a collection of highly ...dare I say ... Socialized Countries. So education is highly subsidized. BTW, you bring up a sore point with me. I responded here with my sad tale of woe regarding the cost of U.S. University for my kids in another comment. When my son was attending College at a PUBLIC University in Texas, his status was non-resident/out of state. And thus the fees were added, about $15,000/year at the time. BUT, Foreign Nationals that come from other Countries to these same Texas Public Schools, were treated as in-state residents. And were not subject to the non-resident tuition premium. Pissed. me. off.
Also,...and now this is my opinion: I think EU Countries, specifically France, uses their low-cost University system as an _immigration filter._ In the U.S., we _Import_ uneducated impoverished peoples. *In France, 25% of ALL University Students there are International.* They _encourage_ International students to apply. An accepted student gets a Student Visa. And that Visa is ONLY good as long as the student does well in University. If the student is failing or drops out, France hustles that student back to their Country of origin. By the time an International student has completed University there, they are fairly assimilated into the French culture and society, and typically choose to stay. Thus France gets a selection of highly motivated (which is what one must be if they want to go to school abroad), productive, and college educated new residents paying their high(er) taxes.
Added note: Attempting to go through the application and admittance process online for a French University is pointless. They do not return emails or phone calls. It is better that one travel there, and deal with that bureaucracy (its brutal) in person.
@@incognitotorpedo42 Universities in Germany are free of cost for everyone, including international students
ANNOUNCEMENT: Money bidding system is now adopted. Whoever pays the most will be admitted to college.
lol like it isn’t a thing already
bidding for education?, sounds reasonable
I wouldn't even be mad at honest system like that. 20% of slots going to highest bidders. And you have to post money for expected number of semester up front. This income can be used to subsidise the other students.
9:35 that's terrible bubbling
disgusting
End EQAO. Evil questions attacking Ontario
Hahahahaha
I honestly believed EQAO stood for that until like grade 6
The OSSLT is hilarious because if you answered questions on a Grade 10 English test the same way you do the OSSLT, you'd have to retake Grade 10 English.
class of 2021 didn't take it in grade 9
@@firstname1317 neither did the grade 10's do the literacy test
*laughs in going to SAT-optional music school*
Music school really 🤨. people wonder why they have thousands of dollars in debt and can’t pay for it because they have a crappy job
Laughs in getting an actual degree
+Peppa pig is one thicc Bih lmao “tHiS genErAtIoN”
J laughs in not being an ass.
Parker Alleman laughs in being honest
Well Now students don’t have to worry about their SAT Tests
Not exactly. Still have to get it up for scholarships and it still helps admission.
For international student, it is a pathway to receive scholarship
not really. people like me who have weaker resumes rely on their sat/act scores much more. also, like the video says, test optional is pretty trash because someone who has a good resume and at least an average or above average sat/act score is obviously going to have a higher chance than someone with a good or great resume.
a fellow human being i feel like i can trust you as you are a fellow human being
Not really, it's more like a weeding out process now. Top schools will still want SAT scores and the burden of proving ur achievements will be that much greater if you don't take it. This will really only benefit high achievers who don't want to do extra work.
I remembered what a Japanese friend told me: In Japan, they eased the difficulty on standardized testing for students born around 94-95. They quickly realized that students enrolled in top tier universities weren't competent enough to handle the courses they enrolled in. The decision on eased testing was quickly reverted after that. Anyone know more about this?
My testing location in March closed 10 hours before the test was scheduled ._.
Ouch :(
Mine closed and was supposed to be March 20 :/ I feel ur pain bro
I was studying 3 months ahead of that test while also balancing homework and tests of 4 ap classes. When it was cancelled, I never felt that much frustration before
Mine too :(
Same =( studied for a month and a half. Now I don't have any motivation to do it again. What if it gets canceled again, I would have wasted so much time
Also huge tip for anyone in high school. No one will tell you this, but if you receive a SAT score over 1300 or ACT score over 29 you will be eligible for most college’s highest possible academic scholarship. This works heavily in favor for you when attending a state college. So if you still have time before heading to college or you are going into your senior year, DO NOT STOP TAKING THE SAT OR ACT UNTIL YOU ARE OVER 1300 OR 29! Even if you completed an early admissions application and have committed to a school you can keep taking the SAT or ACT to improve your score and make sure to report your new score to your college and they will increase your academic scholarship. This will save you thousands of dollars on tuition!
Simple, just destroy collegeboard's monopoly on education
IMO SAT is too easy so nobody really care. Make college entrance exam once or twice in year under US department of Education and make it real harder like China does so we could see partial differential equation and linear algebra on math exam and student got 1% place can go no MIT, Stanford, Ivy, etc how about that?
soooooo ACT?
@@tickbird8573 HECK NO. I would much rather have the holistic admissions that we have right now compared to just a pure SAT score determining my future.
@@MLGDatBoi the SAT and ACT engage in price fixing, both keeping their prices the same high amount, rather than competing by lowering prices until they both profit less
Simple, we, uh, kill the Batman
I had no idea being in the class of 2019 was such a blessing.
People that graduated in 2019 luckily dodged a bullet
How?
@@amko6358 Got out right before the COVID shitshow. Plus I took a Gap Year, so I'm not even in college during all this.
Right? We dodged quite the bullet there. I just hope this is over before my brother, who will be a sophomore next year, graduates.
I would kill to be class of 2019. You have no idea how lucky you are. My entire senior year, everything I've worked for, was ripped out from under me. And now the college admissions process decided we weren't fucked up enough as it is.
I don't even have SAT tests in my country.
Isnt it only really the America that has the SAT?
I don't really know what the SAT *is*. I know it's a test, but how it's different from any other test I wouldn't know.
+Colm M there are some international SAT and AP tests but it’s mostly American
If you are an international student looking to attend an american university, you would need to take the SAT
Kenny i think its how you go to university and college
I’m a high school graduate going to school in August. I took the ACT twice (once last September and again in November). I got into my top school, but I can’t take it again to try for a full-ride scholarship. I’m losing out on a chance at saving $40k and there’s nothing I can do about it. It sucks.
That sucks. I can't really empathise as I'm a university student in the UK. Over here, I got a scholarship and it never even considered my grades in anything. Only extracurricular stuff, an essay and an interview. For people with good grades, you get like a reward. Usually in my university it's around £1000 for being one of the best academic students in your particular group.
I mean you had two chances. But yeah you're out of luck.
yeah thats tough man
You can save 40K by going to CC and then transferring to the school of your dreams with 60 hours of college credit.
Shoney Carpenter many universities give you hell when transferring credits. It’s a massive nightmare for many and usually result in more wasted effort and money as a lot of stuff just doesn’t transfer. They find reasons why not take it
I did the AP history test, it was literally the easiest thing I did all year. We practiced for a 5 paragraph dbq with 7 available docs (i think) and it was shortened to 4 paragraphs and they removed the 50 question multiple choice + saqs. Easier grade but all my year wasted because so much of the material we learned wasn't used
I had extra time on my SAT (disability accommodations) but it was done in the most inconvenient way. I had more time than I needed to take the English portion, but I STILL ran out of time for the math portion. A reasonable person would suggest that I use the time I wasted waiting for the English portion to end to begin the math one, but my test would've been invalidated if I did that. 🙃
My grandfather picks up quartz and valuable onyx jewels. Send 60 dozen quart jars and 12 black pans.
Who else feels my pain
I'm getting *submit button not working* flashbacks
Oh god. That fucking copy pasta on the AP exams.
hehehe
*laughs in entire high school education being based on AP classes*
Can’t say enough how much of a good value AP tests are. I walked into my school with 15 credits and a lot of annoying prerequisite classes out the way. The price per credit with an AP test is around $30, whereas you usually pay $300-1000 per credit at a 4-year university.
@@ShortVideosRUs Except... this year.
I took IB classes when I was in high school and they were hard, but good
Jonah N
“Hard but good.” I’m presuming none of those classes were IB English
Reid I can get the reason of still having language but literature is just why?
Why is there a class with lit only but none with Lang only?
I've gotten the feeling that colleges admitting students graduating in 2020 and 2021 are going to be super lenient about admissions. And most of them have already waived/changed the SAT/ACT score submission
I’m a final year student in a polytechnic, my guaranteed internship as part of my course program has now been virtually cancelled and being replaced by an alternative program that will begin in October, now all my classmates in the same course are terrified of our future as the 6 month internship was the main event of our 3 years of polytechnic over 2 years of college, allowing us to have actual work experience in our resume, which is now gone.
All I’m wondering is what the future is going to be for students like me entering the workforce
I'm skippin' college, I just decided to work as a Real Estate agent like my mom.
She doesn't even use her associate's degree, so I'm in the clear. My mother is someone who closes million $ homes which is pretty cool.
That's 60k for 1.5 months worth of work. The cool thing is that she works with a partner and split the work and cash so IT'S EVEN EASIER.
I want to work in a practical job and I want to, in the future, become a business owner. That is my passion, w/out the college debt.
@ good for you?😐
I would very much like the idea which an educational system emphasizes more on individual strengths and weaknesses rather than standardized academic tests.
so test-optional etc.?
I've always said and I will say it again... if colleges require us to have SATs in our admissions, then we shouldn't have to pay every time to take the test or else it becomes a monopoly
10:36 - laughs in homeschool
Homeschooled until college, graduated with an engineering degree.
Yeh, many school systems are broken so it’s better to get homeschooled...
Wow, lucky you can even do that. Where I live we don't have any option but to go to school.
@@livethefuture2492 you can thank the government for that if you live in the US. Many counties, especially in the midwest, require you to go to the school they decide, either based on range or preference within that range if they have multiple schools in that zone.
My Wife and I plan on homeschooling our children. Looking forward to it
I too enjoy having no friends
Honestly I think that standardized tests are a decent, granted very imperfect, way to compare students directly. GPAs change per school district or particular private schools, many students compete in academic tournaments (debate, history bowl, etc) or athletics that just can't he compared against each other, and writing essays takes writing styles that are also very hard to compare. I'd prefer to have the certainty of knowing I have a good score rather than being compared on some emotional factor like my life experiences, which clubs I happened to like, or that my particular admissions officer happened to have a bad day. Same thing is true for AP courses, but the problem is that not all schools have the same AP course availability.
For reference, my stats are:
SAT: 1540
Subject Tests: 790 US history, 790 physics, 790 math II
(These are all on the new scale - out of 1600 for SAT and out of 800 for subject tests)
I disagree.
In the IB system, 50% of your grade comes from the final year exam. The other rest comes from your project IA’s and EE’s
@@UmbraHand Lol I actually am finding out whether I got the diploma in about a dozen hours, but I never said IB was bad. It's the same as AP - they offer a good way to compare students on an even international level. Unfortunately, it's wayyy less popular than AP in the US, so in reality, it's hard to compare students (most of whom haven't done IB), especially given that there are two levels of difficulty (HL and SL).
I agree. Maybe if these tests could be government-sponsored like in most other countries this could be remedied significantly. The tests could be free and thus not discriminate against classes as much (rich people would still be allowed to pay for tutoring while poor people can't, but at least poor people now have the option to take the test multiple times), and it wouldn't have this disgusting duopoly between ACT and Collegeboard's SAT. However, what I suggested is a pretty socialist concept and I highly doubt the US would be willing to adopt a system such as this but only time will tell.
@@avisays350 I mean I think the local government should pay for your AP/IB/SAT/ACT tests if you have trouble paying for them. In my district, everyone's AP/IB tests are automatically paid for by the district, and SAT/ACT fee waivers can be acquired (and I did get them) for being below a certain wealth level. Other districts can also adopt this model, but making the tests free would totally ruin the test companies economically.
I never took the SAT or ACT. Started at a community college and then transferred to a university. SAT/ACT is pretty much a scam and unnecessary considering todays circumstances and wide socioeconomic gap. You may be able to do well on the SAT/ACT but then you need to worry about how to pay for tuition and survive as you do your education.
Same here, with slightly different details. I was homeschooled, so I took some college courses online, first one being a community college, then at a four-year college that I didn't have to formally enroll at to sample online courses. After I already had decent grades from their own school, I was accepted pretty easily. Also, there's plenty of reputable schools abroad, which often don't require any kind of testing. And since not a lot of Americans go abroad, you seem like valuable diversity to them, while getting the exact same degree, likely at a better ranked, cheaper, and quicker school than you would have realistically gotten into. I did my master's in the UK, and I know people who do that for a bachelor's, too. I'm adding this here in case anyone reading is making plans, because there are a lot of ways to get around these tests.
Sad that people have a surface level understanding of psychometrics. The SAT is a great measurement for cognitive ability and an incredibe predoctor for first year school performance. By the way, the SAT gaps exist DESPITE socioeconomic differences. Blacks in the top 10% of family income earners get an SAT score similar to the bottom 80% of white income earners. Before you blame racism, understand that blacks rate their quantitative skills higher than any other race (Asians, which objectively are the best, rate themselves lowest.) Lol
Took both and thought I got bad scores,(I got good scores I was just misinformed bye my AP/honors teacher, they were saying you need this scores for this(then I realized they were talking about ivy league schools)) kinda looking back on it it is a total wast of time and money and unwanted stress. Just go to a good community school and then transfer. You get the same paper at the end.
Let me throw in my two cents on this. For me, I had natural academic ability that lead me to breeze through most of grade school without ever having to learn how to try. Thus, I fell into that "low grades, high test scores" category, which can be one of the least desirable ones to be in. Luckily I did get into and through college, but I know that my test scores carried my application. So just from the perspective of people in my shoes, the diminution of test scores would be harmful. The question of test scores is definitely a tricky one- maybe they should put it on the SAT.
To be honest the SAT is just a literacy test with mid level arithmetic skills employed. Whenever I take it I score relatively high but I can see how others could find difficulty in it and I dont necessarily agree that it can be used as a high prediction agent used in seeing success in students
It's essentially a shitty IQ test that can be retaken and studied for
I'm glad these are being phased out, they really have little relevance to class competency. I recently graduated from engineering school and my scores were fine, my family is poor and I just had to study on my own, but most of the wealthy students who came in with near perfect scores were both middling in their classes and super frustrated with their poor grade. They are not going to be good engineers. I doubt they'll be in the field for long. I may not be a living thesaurus, but I know how to build and design a safe pipeline.
Colleges and universities still have to accept students based on something, which would be a standardized test.
@@SA-pj3fz um did you even read what I wrote. The students who did well in the standardized exams did poorly in engineering class and make the university students look bad to employers. Its better to base decisions on a larger pool of data such as class grades, extracurricular work, and social outreach. The same way employers look at potential hires for graduate talent.
@@nanochase Except factors like class grades, extracurriculars, and social outreach aren't as objective.
@@bluehotdog2610 have you ever been to a large University? I have, the best students were the ones who were driven, often struggling on their own with full time jobs on the side. The "objectivity" just leads to a new game to be played by rich parents. Tenacity and determination can not be calculated in a 6hr exam focused on algebra and reading comprehension, but it can be seen in past work, just like applying for a job.
nanochase I agree with everything you said. Colleges destroy crucial thinking skills for many who have so called high standardized test scores. All they care about is high grades but don’t know how to apply actual work in their field. And many graduate gloating over their plaques and don’t care to continue learning or growing in their field while those who learn in the field without testing go farther, too many are walking around like a used textbook and that’s it. All head knowledge but no wisdom or application which is useless.
These are giving me flash backs to exams
I’m also thinking college is scary
College really isn’t scary. Not at all. I actually find it easier since you have a lot more time to do whatever you want. You spend far fewer hours in class everyday. Maybe like 3-4 hours a day vs 8 in high school. Manage your time well, do your work on time, learn how to study for tests, and you’ll be fine.
@@ShadowTheNinjaKitty
its the study part that I'm worried about the most lol...haven't studied in.... basically ever. Ap env during lockdown was a slap in the face
I just finished High School and all I can say is, "DOWN WITH BIG ACORN!!!!"
Nice, good luck with college
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So we’ll go from having a standardized test that Virtually all schools accept to back to having each college have its own standardized test. As an international student who had to travel 3 hours to my testing center, I wonder how much time i would have to have spent to get to the UC exam center
And im guessing that a point system of how much that exam is weighted as opposed to GPA will be made public and standardized and the US college system will become just like the one i ran away from. Amazing!
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Even soccer kid got a higher score than Hasan Minhaj.
@chohengencho well yeah when he took it in high school he got a 1310 but then he retook it for Patriot Act and then got a 1030.
Just have the high school final exams already be standardized (at least for each state) and then you can just compare those grades. Works for most of the world.
but america is a special snowflake. you know that already.
But if different states have different standards, how can students going to out of state universities be compared to one another?
America has such wide variation in the quality of schools & students that some high schools would have massive fails while students at other schools would find finals to be comically easy.
Each state has different tests. New York has regents standardized testing for finals, which is why it’s one of the best in education.
States like Florida have normal finals where teachers can put whatever they want so that you could get a 50 just for showing up. It wouldn’t be fair to the students who have to take harder tests.
@baby bean But having 50 different types of test scores being submitted to a school is very confusing. One kid got 100 points, another 1000, and yet another 30. Also, this gives an advantage to students from lower preforming states.
Everyone is missing the main point. With everything online, tuition costs will collapse. But the flip side is that STEM courses/degrees which require lab work, will now have crippling costs, because SOMEONE has to pay for the lab material, also for the tuition of the PhD students, which is where a LOT of undergraduate tuition goes nowadays. Fewer people pursuing degrees in physics, chemistry, biology, mathematics, means fewer engineers, doctors, physicists, new patents on chemicals, etc.
People are thinking that this cultural shift will be a blessing. I predict people will regret it.
Eh I think colleges will try to charge full price anyways
Colleges are already moving back to live and on-location classes. I have had to pay the gym fee, concert fee, this fee, tutoring center fee, that fee, etc. all for things I can’t currently access and the tuition isn’t changing at all. They’re going back to the way it was but with lots of hoops to jump through because of panic, and the prices haven’t changed.
You hit the nail on its head. I say that to lower the ever rising tuition costs, we also mandate universities (which don't pay taxes btw), to not give scholarships and built extravagent infrastructure for athletes and legacy students. Such projects are not at all related to academia, yet they increase costs dramatically for STEM students
Let's Spice up the comments Or just make tution free...
Same for the arts. The graphic design and animation majors had no issue transitioning to online, but painting, drawing, sculpture, ceramics, printmaking, and photography majors struggled.
We already spend over $100 per class each semester for supplies, now I had to find my own space to do my art class work? Along with two other art classes that also needed a significant amount of space? Don’t forget to have it stored somewhere so my family/visitors don’t touch it or else it’s back to square one. And wasn’t even the tip of the iceberg.
It didn’t help that it’s mandatory that art majors take the beginning course for EACH of the listed courses above. Don’t get me wrong, my university’s art program has been amazing, but if we end up online again, I’m going to scream.
This is a clever move on the part of the universities. Tuition prices will collapse, or at least drop with the move to online learning. So one good way of increasing enrollment is to lower the barrier of entry. Since anything done online is virtually infinitely scalable, their hope is they'll be able to maintain the juicy profits by increasing the volume of eligible students.
I don't see why we don't use more video education. Why rely on the performance of a lecturer who can and does forget details when you can record one perfect lecture by someone more charismatic and engaging. Doing this at your own pace is a bonus. Replace "class time" with a tutoring hour or something.
@@sor3999 I agree with you. We should use more videos lectures. The problem is why pay 20K+ a year for what is effectively like Coursera, which is free or very low cost. The universities are making this move not because they truly care about students, but rather because they want to maintain their profits.
@@sor3999 jordan peterson may be working on a online university, where the lectures are free but you pay for the accreditation.
the sat doesn't show intelligence it shows how well you know the test itself. Fortune 500 company CEOs took it without preparation as adults and got 900s
i took it without studying and got a 1400 but i definitely would have gotten higher if i had the book. and keep in mind 1400 and 1500 is the difference between "good college" and "great college".
@@bananya6020 the gap between a 1400 and 1500 is huge. I have been noticing it after the last few Practice tests I took.
I’m in a weird situation with my parents right now. I got a 1510, which is what I want. Yet they still want me to retake it because it’s not good for “elite colleges”.
I am not retaking a test to get 3 more problems right.
Haven't finished watching yet but it's a Yes
Here in Sweden, collage admission is entirely based on high school grades. There is a standardised test that you take in third (for math and swedish), 6 (math, swedish and english) and 9:th (for math, swedish, english, social studies, and nature studies) grade. first two are only designed to determine which student needs more help and the one in 9:th grade can only impact your grades positively, not negatively.
Also, in Sweden you go to college after 9:th grade.
What do you mean by 9th grade scores can only impact positively, not negatively? If Alice and Bob are impacted positively, and nothing happens to Charlie and Denise, by default Charlie and Denis are still hurt because the college can only accept half the kids. Is college admissions not a zero-sum game in Sweden?
@@georgebrantley776 The standardized tests scores can only impact your grades positively. But that is only like 10% of your grades. The rest is from the lessons (how active you are, answering questions, smaller tests etc.)
So if you perform good on the lessons but bad on the standardised test, no worries your grade will basically not be impacted.
And if you perform bad on the lessons, you can make up for that on the standardised test.
Hope that made more sense.
The US doesn’t do that because each state has different high school exams. New York has standardized finals for the whole state, while another state will have a teacher create the final and give 50 points for just showing up and writing your name.
Here in Canada, you try hard in high school and you are all good. No need for a SAT test
Took my ACT last October as a senior, litterally had been 2-3 years since I learned some material on the test. Got accepted to the colleges I wanted to without the act score, being a strong essay writer and having sound leadership experience is much more valuable then a test score.
Having an international audience, an introdutctory explanation to what the SAT actually is would have been... nice...
Class of 2021/2025 gang, where you guys at!
Who else is ready to get rejected from literally every college that they apply to!
I'm 2021 and I feel so fucked.
Watch 2021 frick us up again
Im planning to study in US and this shit is bothering me. Something crazy happening with the application process
I’m in 2021, I’m still taking the SAT in August, I don’t care. If anything, it gives me an advantage over the others who didn’t take it.
You’ll only be as ready to get rejected as the colleges will be to not get more than a handful of students due to mass rejections. Which is to say not at all.
I didn't even get into an average college because of my SAT scores, but when I went to community college for 2 years and transferred, I got into the best university in my state. This is why I think the SAT is absolutely stupid
What do you mean by average? 20, the average ACT score, would get you into plenty of places in the US, at least
@@ShadowTheNinjaKitty Its very obvious he meant his SAT scores weren't good enough to get him into decent colleges freshman, which is a shame because that fact that he got into great colleges as a transfer clearly indicates the limitations and flaws standardized testing has on kids
This makes me so glad I’m doing VCE where our version of the SAT (GAT) is used as a backup when students can’t do exams or when there is a discrepancy.
Me: *isn't planning of going to college and will probably end it all filing his first tax returns* "interesting"
The SAT honestly feels like an obsolete relic at this point. I remember taking the test itself being hours of torture, even after attending a preparation class in which the test was simulated multiple times. It's really no fun taking a test for that long with only a few very short breaks, and it absolutely favors people who work well under pressure. Most colleges don't even require it anymore.
When you’ve been grinding an entire summer for the SAT just to hear that it’s been cancelled
It didn't matter. Affirmative action already wrecked the game
Steven Cooper unfortunately
You can still take it.
Same but I am still gonna take it
I went so long undiagnosed with ADHD and ASD which made school unbearable for me, phasing out the SAT and the ACT would tank my chances of getting into a college so hard
When your so early and you haven’t thought of a joke...
In terms of Jokes.... we have no jokes
As someone once said:
"These last two months of DLC for life on earth have been an utter dumpster fire. Might as well knock it back to 2020"
In Brazil each university has it's own test and you apply to the ones you want. The test is the only thing that matters, no one cares about high school grades, EC activities, essays about your persona. You can be and do whatever you like before taking the test. The down side is taking multiple tests in order to apply to multiple universities, but on the upside you get to be a kid and enjoy life in school without worrying some random college person will consider your life a waste and not worth it.
I am lucky that my high school exams were ended 7 days before the the lockdown (in india)
in Portugal it works like this. During the three years leading up to the university, all subjects count towards the average. it's about 7 or 8, I don't know if they added any. then we have 4 exams. biology and geology, physical Quimics, mathematics and Portuguese. each ezame can weigh up to 30% of the grade. which means that your grade only changes if you have a different grade by more than two values. the exams are not really to evaluate students, but to normalize schools, ensuring that none inflates students' grades. then, after 3 years the school gives you a final grade, the average. then we go to the education website and make an application, where we place our faculties in order of preference, from 1 to 6. each faculty gives a different importance to the value of the exams, so the average can be different for each university. in the end, the algorithm tells us what college we stayed at. it is usually one of the first three. this means that you can make an application for the university of medicine of Lisbon, for the university of letters of Madeira and for the university of engineering of Porto. no problem, the system says where we can enter, depending on our score and the score of other competitors. for example, one year the minimum medical grade may be 18.60 (0-20 scale) and the following year 16.80. depends on the notes of the people who apply. I sincerely prefer this system, because although we have exams, there is no "biggest exam of our life". of course we have the scary math and portuguese exams, but they are just as important as the others.
The math exam is the One with more subjects, but the portuguese exam is the One with the worst grades.
The exams are always in the same format, but they changed in 2020, in this change, you can fail 3 or 5 question (i don't remember now) without losing points. There are 5 obligatory questions and 15 non obligatory. In the non obligatiory you can choose 12 or 13 to awnser. And if you don't awnser to 4 or awnser them wrong, they don't count.
The exams are made by a council, nominated by the ministery of education. So we have the theory that in years of legislative elections, the exams are easier. Ahahahahahah but
Until now, this was true.
I can't work as effectively from home. I miss working at the office.
how about choice, or even the ability to switch whenever 🤔
I lucked out hard as a senior. Without the SAT, I definitely wouldn't have been accepted to my college. I hope juniors will have some extra way to impress colleges.
I’m taking it in August, you can still take it and colleges will prefer a student who takes it anyway because they can at least see how well they can do in standardized tests.
as someone who went to a hard school, going based just on grades isn't fair to students who went to schools that are harder to get good grades at than easy schools. standardized tests are supposed to make it more fair across schools.
Which makes sense. It just sucks that standardized tests unfairly judge as well, since poor students are less likely to do well. There’s ways to practice without spending money, don’t get me wrong, but a lot of people don’t know about that. It also takes money to retake the exam, so while rich people can just retake and retake, if you’re poor it isn’t so easy.
It’s also arguable whether the scores even say anything. The first time I took the ACT I got a 26. After a lot of practicing I got a 33. Guess what I learned in that time period in order to improve? A lot of stuff that didn’t really matter. I don’t even remember any of it now, and it’s only been a couple of years since I took it. I wasn’t any smarter after getting a 33 than I was with a 26. I was just better at playing the game, and that’s all I really think it is for the most part. If you want a general aptitude test, retaking it and practicing shouldn’t even be a thing. Because then all you’re testing for is whether someone can learn to play the game right, and study stuff that they won’t remember a year form now for hours.
Because, in the end, am I any more college ready than someone who only took the ACT once, without studying, and got a 26? Nope. Not really. All it shows is that I had more dedication to study for a standardized test, which I really don’t think says anything about intelligence
Jonah N says something about your wealth and dedication though
Jason Eel which is what the colleges want of course...
In surprise the college board didn't get bailed out. Home Owners Association and private schools in my area got bailed out with the small business loans even though they aren't considered small business
I'm from another country . Came to USA in highschool. I never knew anything about the SAT until my graduation year. I got lucky and one test was happening in that weekend so I took it. Never studied or even thought it would matter as my HS GPA was 3.3.
I did the test got an OK score. By then university applications had closed so I went to community college for the summer and fall semester.
Applied to schools again as a transfer with some credits and I got into 4 schools that were good schools.
Now I'm in TTU and my roommate said he took it like 4 times
The SAT is stupid.
How interesting, I was hearing things about our ATAR (Australia's version of the SAT) being scrapped too.
When did it occurred?
my friends and counselors and teachers all thought i was going to hell for refusing to take the SAT and ACT lol
Without the SAT, everyone will have to stand for the present.
"Is Data Science , Machine learning, AI are hype or is it really the future sexiest job" suggestion for next video🙂🙂
It's the future, robots will undoubtedly replace humans in the next 100 years.
Only 90% hype, but you can blame unscrupulous marketing departments and greedy speculators (who claim to be respectable investors) for that.
Test Prep doesn't actually significantly change your SAT score. It's all about your ability to think abstractly. I got 1190 on my first PSAT. The year following my next take, I worked to improve my brain and the way I thought about everything and my score increased to 1400 the next fall. (I'm hoping that the SAT doesn't become insignificant, I'm relying on my scores.)
Learn how to think critically and abstractly. Look for meaning behind the obvious in everyday life and become interested in the subjects you learn at school. That will do better than any test prep. The only thing test prep can help you on is becoming familiar with what the test wants you to know and how they want you to think.
9:39 This hit my OCD so hard...
i went to Johnson & Wales University and they don't require SATs. I did pretty well on my SATs but got lucky with applying there and getting accepted
I'm at Yale and can confirm that half of my friends (myself included) are complete idiots 99% of the time. Away with test scores!
Going test optional is going to be difficult, things like essays and letters of rec will become a much larger deal. Most people aren't doing anything this summer. The lucky few who have internships will have a huge advantage. It doesn't matter what happens people will play the system to get what they want.
Collage is useless and a debt trap but at the same time is required in most high paying jobs, leaving you with a "dam if you do, dam if you dont"
As the "Gifted" kid who did great on tests and was bad at turning in homework... that box of [???] is a whole ass Mood. Though really, I was fucked up by the lack of understanding from teachers, and that not turning in an assignment or doing so late the "solution" was to shame me and take off points, or sometimes not accept an assignment late at all. But I had high hopes through high school bc I consistently perform well on tests... and then I immediately flunked out of college.
Everybody else: *submits applicant with many good points*
Me: *wanders to campus gates* let me in... LET ME IIIIIIINNNN
The SAT and ACT are rather pointless, however I do think the AP test is an extremely good deal for most high school students. For one, most universities accept them if you get a 4 or a 5, some even take 3’s. They give you actual college credit and often times fulfill prerequisites too. The cost-per-credit value is insane, too. It breaks down to something near $30 per credit through AP’s, and $300-$1000 per credit at most public 4-year colleges. Also, at least from my experience, the rigor of AP courses best adequately prepare you for your first two years of college - I think my workload actually went down significantly when I came to college compared to my last two years of high school, so I felt like I was coasting while a lot of my fellow freshmen were having breakdowns come midterms.
AP courses actually remind quite a bit of British A-levels. I was interested in applying to few English universities for a while, and they all seemed to want AP courses with scores of 4’s and 5’s from American students, rather than just SAT/ACT. It always struck me as rather obtuse that in the US the main college admissions exams really only care about English and Math. If you wanted to go to college to major in pre-med, shouldn’t your test scores on biology and chemistry exams be what matters, and serve as the best indicators as to how well you will do in that major? Perhaps the US education/college admission system should transition more to the British model, with AP’s becoming our equivalent of A-Levels. I would like to hear the opinion of some Brits on this though, since I’ve never personally taken A-levels.
I am not a Brit, but I am somewhat familiar with the British education system. I'd assume the reason why British universities look heavily on A-levels, while American colleges look more toward ACT/SAT (top tier colleges don't care that much because SAT/ACT is too easy for them, but mid tiers will) is because in Britain, university is a relatively narrow event. Students will sign up for Maths, and they will study Maths and pretty much only Maths, often only for 3 years and get their Bachelors. Meanwhile in the US, a math major will take a lot of gen ed, and probably also add on a minor/double major. At many American colleges you don't even declare a major until your sophomore year. So American colleges will consider APs but also realize that most American students end up changing their major. Meanwhile in Britain, you are more locked-in, so the A-levels are definitely relevant.
laughs in *insert any wealthy western country with a Social market economy*
Germany
USA
Social market economy? I'm an economics major, and I haven't ever hears of that one before.
@@deltasword1994 its aka as Rhine Capitalism, basically its a free market economy, but the Government implements very social policies that establish fair competition in the market and it creates a welfare state, and the people are much better off.
@@pyrosyn4495 and destroys any real industries outside of Service ones for 'the benefit o the people' at the detriment of the economy and the nation for extraction of resources and manufacturing processes.
SATs are taken at the end of Year 6 and Year 2 in the UK and mainly test how well the teachers were teaching
Can you make a video on IIT-JEE ? Its like SAT but 1000 times harder and worth a million times more.
The two tests are completely different, and have a different purpose.
@@livethefuture2492 Almost same purpose.
@@harsh_adukia sat is designed for the average person and iit jee is designed for top stem students... I'm sure that if universities like mit and Caltech had their own testing it would be harder than iit-jee