It’s simple: People don’t have a problem with women taking the pivotal role in a movie. They have a problem with bad writing. Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor & Vi etc. are beloved female characters because they’re relatable, flawed & compelling not just because they’re strong. Edit: aaaaaand (thus far) it sucks. I have a sneaking suspicion that all criticism of the show’s plot and characters will be deflected by calling people sexists & bigots 🧐 Edit 2: That was an understatement. Acolyte is absolutely awful Edit 3: Episode 4… how is it getting even worse 😂 Edit 4: Well it’s over. One of the worst shows I’ve ever seen. It completes the trinity of trash with Velma & She-Hulk. Just another nail in Star Wars’ coffin.
Yes, I think that people are also getting tired of action movies with female leads. They are making too many of them. It's becoming too predictable. It's just not believable to see skinny women beating up men.
@@nerychristian it's ok if we are using ranged weapons, but immersion falls when you see a skinny 65kg woman destroying a 120kg muscular man with her fists.
interesting point there! if episode IV or II would be released now, everyone would loose their minds on it being "too political" and "woke leftist bullshit"
Luke, who essentially becomes the most powerful user of the force in star wars history, was being trained by one of if not THE best teachers ever (Yoda), and he still lost his first fight with Vader. He then had to go back and spend MONTHS training even more. Ray who finds out she is a Jedi like a few weeks ago with zero training whatsoever can defeat Kylo Ren who has been training his whole life? Already there are zero stakes, she easily defeats the big villain without going through any hardship or development. Compare this to Luke, who with the power and training mentioned, gets his hand cut off in his first fight against Vader who was going easy on him the whole time. Horrible horrible horrible writing.
And here you are, comparing Kylo Ren to Darth Vader. Let's face it, Vader was 1000 times the villain that Ren EVER was. Ren was young, impulsive, and lost his temper on an hourly basis. Vader didn't scream, yell, and smash equipment. Because Vader had a MUCH better command of the Force than Ren could ever dream of having. Yeah, Luke was trained by Yoda - but he lost his first fight with Vader precisely BECAUSE he was impulsive, angry, and lacked the needed focus. Yoda said as much. Luke lost precisely BECAUSE he was behaving just like Kylo Ren, and Yoda knew he would most likely lose. Now, even though Yoda trained Luke - at least in part - how long was this training? It never seemed to me that Luke was on Dagobah very long -- he did some running around, levitated some rocks, beheaded his own shadow - but that was essentially it. There was no "training montage" -- a staple of 80s movies -- much to Empire Strikes Back's credit, but it just didn't seem to me that Luke was all that well-trained. AND ... Vader was conflicted about killing his own son. Palpatine sensed it. I honestly don't believe Vader WANTED to win ... otherwise I think Luke would've lost to Vader from the beginning.
@@hannable70 The first half of your comment is just opinion and hyperbole so I’ll focus on the lack of facts in the second half. We don’t know how long Luke was on Degobah “running around, levitating some rocks”, but I do know that Empire Strikes Back took place 3 1/2 years after Star Wars. And it was on Hoth that Obi Wan told Luke that he must seek out Yoda because “THERE IS NOTHING MORE I CAN TEACH YOU” (Not Yelling, just emphasizing) That’s a little more time than the 2 or 3 days that Rae even knew that she had force powers and that Jedi were even real. Then, you claim that Vader could have won had he wanted to but didn’t. That simply helps defeat your own argument for Rays success against Kylo because he had ZERO reservations about killing her and he was easily a 1000 times a better duelist than the girl who had literally just lit up the lightsaber for the first time.
"Finally accepted" LOLZ its like when South Park made that "woke" episode LOLZ. Right at the cutting edge of culture arent they they got their thumb on the zeitgeist LOLZ
It was the only original idea they had in the movie, but they weren’t interested in doing anything with it. So they just ended up using him as a goofy sidekick to swoon over the perfect White girl. And anyone who pointed this out was called misogynist or even racist…until John Boyega came out and basically said the same thing himself.
@@HansKlopekthat doesn't change the fact that they had the chance to actually do something interesting with one of the new characters and decided not to. That actually makes it worse.
@TheNat11 she's the one that gives the scripts the Final thumbs up and has the Kenobi script re written to feature Leia instead of Luke, so yeah it's her fault.
No. All of you are lying as a group when you mention these characters like they were mainstream icons. You’d have to know who they are or watch their movies to have any indication of them back then past a mention or proper success stemming from multiple roles. You’re only remembering these women characters now as a group as a response to this overcorrection in Hollywood
@@justjoshua5759 Samus Aran is pretty fucking mainstream my dude. At least among Millennials and younger. If you want to get into Hollywood, though, there are plenty of examples. Sarah Connor in Terminator being the quintessential example, IMO.
And even their girl bosses have better writing than the shit being shoveled today. I say that without sarcasm, the writing in The Boys is genuinely good at giving nuances to its women characters. Starlight wakes up to the reality that her powers weren't a gift from God like she was lead to believe, but the result of a government experiment her mother put her up to for a check. Maeve started out thinking the world of her new job until she gave away too much of herself to the point of being complicit in Homelander's bullshit and had to find relief at the bottom of a bottle. Through their hardships, they make an effort to grow and change from what they endure. Girl bosses nowadays don't have to work for anything or fight a larger problem that challenges them and their ideology.
When Homelander is "directing" their movie (i don't remember the specific episode), and how he forces Maeve to act all lesbian on camera for the film, that was the perfect encapsulation of hollywood and disney
"im gonna make a movie about a woman being a main character!" >The female character in question is OP times 9000, has little to no struggles, personality is flatter than my floor "Why is noone liking my movie?"
Overpowered main characters are usually a bad idea, girl boss is just the most controversial. It's not like it can't work but the ones that do work often get less screen time than side character, which defeat the purpose of promoting an agenda
Let’s be real it’s overall not but this reaction and all these complaints aren’t coming from ppl who view these ppl as worthwhile enough to watch on the screen considering they weren’t even that present and barely talked about as much Like yeah it’s an insane overreaction but it’s not one born from nothing either.
No, unfortunately Disney will not stop doing it. They know everyone hates it but they dont care. When they announced Rey was coming back, that was the confirmation their politics outweigh common sense. Because that was not a thing in the pipeline they had to burn off, that was a decision moving forward knowing girlboss films fail and not caring.
They get taxpayer dollars to do it as well. At this point most the films are not making profits anymore so why continue? It stinks of corruption and laundering. Disney to change tack would have to fire most of the employees it’s embedded deeply only an aggressive takeover and complete purge would change it. So it’s going to continue
I’m glad they’re finally starting to realize that unearned power and confidence doesn’t resonate with an audience, but the experience and journey that the characters took to develop. It’s OK to put women through tough trials and tribulations for character development, that is not misogyny.👍💯
Barbie is still the most successful film of 2023. Male characters in Barbie are portrayed as incompetent power hungry horndogs that are responsible for all societal problems. Cypher was right, ignorance truly is bliss
Yoda: Finn, the chosen one you are. Finn: Really? You mean it? Not somebody else?! Yoda: No, in yourself believe. Disney: Hey, wait, just because he was a child soldier and as FN-2187 not even had a name, that does not mean he is relatable zero-to-hero material... Finn: I am not? Why?! Disney: Put a chick in it and make her lame. That's what audiences expect from us. But, Finn, we will keep you around as a laughing stock. Finn: ... I am not coming back for any of your Plus shit... Disney: Fine. We will find another minority to exploit and fake-care about.
The whole idea of politics in movies is to have a shield to deflect against legitimate criticism. They want to say things like “the fans are racist and sexist” rather than saying “we made a bad script”
Yes. They use the overt political messaging as a shield so they do not have to be competent craftsmen. There are woke things made well like Steven Universe - where it tells stories but just so happens to show the virtues and perks of their viewpoint. The current crop of 'movies' just preach and the world they portray is not even showing their politics in a good light, or showing its virtue, but showing men being denigrated for revenge.
Andor is the most political Star Wars project ever released and nobody had an issue with it. Having women or poc as main characters isn't political lol
did you read the script yet? mfs will say shit like 'captain marvel is bad cuz its woke' when its literally american military propaganda, and say 'andor is good cuz its not woke' when its literally shows the sparks of collective action and working class revolt lmao
Finn would have been a much better lead than Rey. A stormtrooper turned Jedi, with proper struggles with PTSD and trying to keep up with Jedi teachings despite his emotional turmoil.
This already sounds quite compelling. You can even sprinkle in a dash of narrative regarding the idea that a Storm Trooper could break the mold and be a force user. Only question I would ask is: how did they get different peoples to be Storm Troopers? Aren't they all clones of Jengo Fett? It could actually seal that lore gap (if I missed it anyway) and be popular. I found Finn to be the most interesting cast member of the films.
That plot would’ve been so sick man. They could’ve depicted how Finn struggles to cope with what the real world is like after he’d been brainwashed by The Empire for many years. Storm Troopers are pretty much trained in Sith Philosophy so there’d naturally be many clashes with the Jedi way whilst he’s trying to figure out his position in life and within the Jedi order and turn the tide of war against the evil empire. Almost like an inner and outer conflict kind of narrative.
The most unbelievable thing to me is how these big movie companies have the mindset of, “don’t listen to what the audience likes, we decide what you like”, which completely baffles me on how that’s an effective sales strategy .
@@mackamotorsport2593 "social engineering" means tricking someone into doing things they wouldn't normally do, such as allowing someone access into a restricted area because you've convinced them you're allowed to be there, or some other means of deception like tricking a corporate employee into divulging their password. It does not mean what you think it does. Put down the tin foil hat and read a book that doesn't require crayons for once in your life. 😞
you have a point there, with a fanbase that misogynistic, i dont understand how they still do female protagonists, if they already know everyone will cry about "feminist agenda" and "woke bs"
Had they dumped Rey and made Finn the fallen storm trooper who becomes a Jedi, the series would have been so good. Critical Drinker did an awesome synopsis of this idea. It would have been a far hearier war movie. Much Grittier
Seriously. Finn had so much potential yet he was reduced to screaming REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! like an idiot for two and a half movies. He should be the protag and Rey could be a secondsry non force sensitive character who guides them trought Jaku and then joins them after nearly dying to help them because she messed up earlier or something.
There's a youtuber who remade the sequel trilogy as narrated stories with AI generated images to complement the stories. Their sequel trilogy is much better than what we've gotten from Disney. Finn started similarly like Disney's story & became a Jedi in the end, leading the new Jedi Order. Rey was still Palpatine's "decendant" but she started as a "Darth Vader" type character & later turned to the light side after Luke saved her. Poe was Han Solo's protegé & later became Rey's husband. Han Solo died in the 1st story but because he heroically trying to save Poe & others when the new Jedi Temple that Luke built was attacked by Rey & her Imperial remnant Stormtroopers. Leia became the new Chancellor of the New Republic in the end. Ben Solo started as the best Jedi Padawan who turned to the dark side because he felt powerless & unable to save his father from the Jedi Temple ambush, but he got his own redemption arc in the end. Knights of Ren were like the Inquisitors that had their own leader with a title "Kylo Ren" & originally answered to Rey as their Darth Vader equivalent. Kylo Ren wasn't originally Ben Solo but someone else & Ben killed him in the 2nd story & took the title to complete his transformation to the dark side. At the same time, Rey was turning to the Light side & was actually trained by Luke. There was a cameo of Anakin in the last story, fighting Palpatine's soul who took over Ben Solo's body while Ben himself was fighting Rey & Luke who became young & strong again for the climactic battle only (thanks to The Force & the teachings of Anakin, Obi-Wan, & Yoda's Force ghosts). There was also a cameo of older Mara Jade in the final story & her relationship with Luke was explained there.
The bride from kill bill wasn’t an indestructible machine no one could beat, she faced challenges, nearly almost died three times. Felt trauma, regret, betrayal, and eventually her redemption, this is why people keep watching it till this day. Making a relatable character is hard work, anyone can make a stoic, emotionless machine. Hollywood doesn’t want to to listen because they’re still seating on a pile of cash, give it time, their war chest will dwindle then we will go back to basics.
The higher up executives who drive this nonsense will always be well paid and rewarded no matter how badly the films do. It will be the regular employees who suffer when layoffs eventually have to happen
"Diversity" took the place where "good storytelling" should've been. Groot was a walking talking tree but he has more charisma than the entirety of the Eternals cast.
It's sad when Groot and Hodor are two characters that only say 1 thing and still have more feeling and heart behind them than most of these new female superheroes do.
Disney has ruined Star Wars beyond repair… I watched Revenge of the Sith again after years of not seeing it and despite its corny moments it’s an epic movie and I probably enjoyed it more than I did the first time. It will probably be the last time I enjoy anything Star Wars like that ever again. The nostalgia of it all is gone for good.
Yes, it is incredible when you think about the possibilities that a universe like Star Wars had, the lack of creativity you have to have to ruin a franchise like that is impressive.
Why do you have so much of yourself invested in fiction of the past? This says a lot more about your boring existence than it does any franchise. So devoid of substance, you had to go fill it in with some corporate invention which got sold to another corporation who now makes the schlock not to your liking and the rose colored glasses you look at it with? Who gives a flying fuck? Watch the old shit, or not and just go outside, it stay in and study up and develop a new skill. Imagine acting like a victim over this silly shit 🤣🤣🤣🤣
One of my favorite female movie characters is Trinity from the Matrix and favorite game character is Samus Aran from Metroid. THOSE are examples of amazing, strong, inspirational women. Not the trash we've been getting lately.
I still recall Jack Nicholson's character in "As Good As It Gets" when asked how he writes women so well - "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."
Thats funny. But tbhbas good ss it gets was full of woke tropes that got us here in the first place. It was pure propaganda. Preaching about mental health and homosexuality.
@@TheoriginalBillBraskey I mean not everybody have to like something equally, but you must have at least agree most people won't hate it compare to latter entries. There are at least some plot, the character is OK, some even enjoyable with a sense of intriguing. It might not be some kind of top tier movie, but at least people generally not hate it.
Rogue One proves that if they wanted to, Disney could make decent Star Wars movies. Yeah Rogue One is not perfect and has some issues, but overall, I think it’s a solid movie. Why they wouldn’t want to continue that formula Rogue One started in exchange for everything else is beyond me.
Noone os the customer. And you can see it in box office when tohose movies and series loose hundreds of milions and movie theathers are literally empty@@tinymetaltrees
You wanna know something funny? Cara Dune is one of the more 'recent' strong female characters and guess what? The fans absolutely loved her. Why? Because she wasn't a character who was all about ' T H E M E S S A G E ' and had a genuinely likable personality. And you wanna know what Disney did? They got rid of her as quickly as they could. Apparently, if the fans LIKE the strong female character, it's wrong. If the fans hate her, then they did everything right and we're the bad guys.
They are not interested in strong female characters. They are only interested in weak female characters that blindly follow whatever MESSAGE they are pushing at any given time. Even Candace Owens have been cancelled by her own tribe of Conservatives for not sticking to the party line. And this from the party that supposedly frowns on cancel culture.
I was so upset when Disney removed her from the franchise. She was really lovable, strong outside but has a kind heart inside. "A good character is a removed character" i guess
They do not want strong female characters. They only want weak female characters that go along with whatever agenda they are pushing at any particular point in time.
Rogue One and Andor were made by a different crew than the rest of the nu-shit-wars, and theyre the only de-infantilized movie & show in the star wars universe including the original trilogy with its bafflingly lazy and shit third movie.
Because they had a crew that was competent, skilled, and knew and respected the source material better than the wojacks preaching garbage out of their mouths.
I went into rogue during a time where I had absolutely no interest in star wars anymore and honestly that film got me back into it, then the new film came out and crushed my soul again, Rogue 1 might not have been the best movie but its definitely been the best Disney star wars movie let alone sci-fi in general, it's like the world saw people mocking stereotypes and decided "nah what we need is even more stereotypes BUT they also have to be the main character" but yea if your like me and had no intention of watching it it does have its ups especially if you know about the comic which is the only reason I gave it a shot
Ngl, in the last three weeks I saw "the Jungle Book" (the cartoonfilm), "Robbin Hood"(also the cartoon one) and the first Harry Potter, and all of them were better than any movie I watched in the last 15 years. The vibes were just different. Now, all movies are pure stress to look at and social criticism
If you like those old Disney films then you should check out The Sword In The Stone (if you haven't already). One of my all time favorite Disney movies.
Weak people who self insert. That alien comparison is not a good point because this female empowerment message thing is downright political as well as mental, and has nothing to do with creativity at all.
Yeah. And lack of access to even attempt to try was removed or heavily gatekept for most of these women or ppl from DEI. Hence the push for stuff like DEI since you all have this energy for these individuals when more stuff comes out that does more and recaptures your attention to be angry about. It’s not even that you’re wrong in saying these are W characters everyone forgot about. But that’s the point. Everybody forgot because nobody cared.
I think The Force Awakens was horrible and it was my first Star Wars film. I think the reason people liked it wasn't any merit of its own, but the "Star Wars fever" taking hold that we're FINALLY getting a new trilogy featuring the OT characters and thus people loved it for that reason. It was bad on its own, though, and after watching the other trilogies it was a bad sequel as well. I'll never understand why people still act like the sequels would've been alright if JJ stuck around
If you have to humiliate and push down your male characters (specially the iconic ones) in order to elevate your new (or old) female characters, your movie/series will fail no matter what.
Funny thing is that Star Wars without "wars" is not a such bad concept. Series about galactic exploration, politics and intrigues of the Republic's senate or some Jedi trying to survive during the Empire's reign would be pretty awesome, ngl. The only thing it would require it's good or at least decent writing, but Disney is literally uncapable of doing that.
@@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong or, just stick to the recipe that made them famous for 4 decades... Funny thing is, Disney thinks the same way you are. Change it, because it COULD be ok... Instead of keeping the recipe the same with a few new ingredients. Instead, you and Disney want to cook a different meal, that no one wants... 🤦♂️👍
@@tankeater Are you slow or something? Where did I say to change it just for sake of it? It COULD work, yeah, but only when you have great story in mind. Star Wars as a series has both conflict and peace in it, good Star Wars fiction shouldn't focus just on one thing or another. Episode V had peaceful moments and full of conflict, same as other episodes. Different people want different things, Expanded Universe has already proved that Star Wars is for everyone. Disney producers don't think in any logical way as in most cases they were hired only because of their gender/racial/political background.
@@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong calling me slow, then asking me something... I didn't even say??? BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA 🤡. Peace leading up to the conflict, or conflict leading to peace HAS CONFLICT IN IT. 😂🤦♂️🤡. look into the mirror, Mr. Slow. 🤦♂️👍
@@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong and if a different person wants something DEFINITELY then SatrWARS... Why don't they just come up with their own idea and not trash a beloved franchise? LMFFFAAAOOO you hypocritical people, always think your smort for some reason.
she was! her gender wasn't the question, she just rocked as a woman with a violent past and it worked because she was sincere and true as a wife and mother
No. And that’s kind of why this whole thing started to begin with. Not acknowledging that not many ppl cared about too many of the Sarah connors or geena Davis’s in these storys. Hence the overcorrection.
Geena Davis was an outstanding actress and actually played convincing female badass characters. Even in, A League if Their Own... she was a total bro and looked like an athlete. Which is why it is double disappointing that she has been such a huge proponent of these new trash diversity mandates. She runs some non-profit "Girl-Boss" training center that promotes DEI.
it is not true that the acolyte trailer was awful. in fact, it was quite brilliant. it lets you play minigames while watching it, like "find the white male", or "how long can you avoid a cringe reaction".
😂😂 pft, well said. But let's not count our chickens before they're hatched. Maybe the show will be interesting. Like "Andor", which is full of fairly interesting charas of both sexes. 😊
@@martar.2085 sure, lets not count the chickens. but all the signs point towards that this show is going to be just another virtue signaling crap. like the showrunner, Leslie Whatshername constantly speaking about her own sexual orientation when asked about the acolyte. the only 2 shows that were well liked all around the globe are Andor and the Mandalorian (well, up until season 3, at least); those which had very little oversight from Kathleen Kennedy. diversity is movies/TV shows can be awesome, if that is not the end goal, but only 1 of the characteristics (besides a good story and likeable characters). the most recent example is the "3 body problem" on netflix. that show is very diverse, and no one is complaining about it, because it is interesting and exciting.
I have to say, I try not to be a cancel person, but knowing the unspeakable acts Ms Headlund is guilty of, I find it very difficult to imagine supporting any project she is involved in. I wonder what happened to Metoo?
IT'S BEEN CLEAR FOR YEARS PEOPLE. It's not about turning a profit on these projects, it's about sending a message. They won't stop until everyone has their beliefs destroyed and aligned with their own.
Cringe as it may sound, the 2016 Ghostbusters helped me realize I was married to the wrong woman. My ex-wife laughed at each scene and couldn't get enough. I sat there the whole time scratching my head. Didn't get it at all.
I'm glad you figured that situation out but if it took "2016 Ghostbusters" to figure out you are married to the wrong person that is extremely sad, tragic comedy even.
Exactly, they're writing GIRLboss characters but what they needed to do was write a BOSS character and then make her played by a girl. Being a girl or guy has nothing to do with being a BOSS.
They think the girl boss is awesome and inclusive and whatnot… it just makes your characters look like entitled bitches. My favorite moment of this is from She-Hulk, in the scene where Jennifer is ranting to Bruce about how miserable her life is because a few men out of the hundreds she sees catcalls her. She says she has to keep her calm and smile, meanwhile she is on the verge of a temper tantrum in this scene. And then she says that Bruce will never understand her misery… despite the fact that Bruce had a shitty childhood involving heavy amounts of abuse in vast forms and then one day becoming a literal monster via gamma radiation. A monster the world simultaneously was grateful for yet severely despised and feared and treated like, well, a monster. … Did the writers ever read any Hulk source material? The entire point of the Hulk is that the good ol’ jolly green is a manifestation of Bruce Banner’s trauma coming out as rage? That the only reason that Bruce and Hulk managed to merge together in the MCU is through intense therapy, meditation and self care, and then injecting himself with more gamma radiation?
I mean think about it from a girl's perspective. Yes, he was abused and then treated like shit, but a couple guys were rude to her and catcalled her and looked down on her. I mean actual physical and mental abuse as a man or perceived injustice filtered through her innate bias as a woman? I think it's clear who had it worse...
It's not about who had it worse. I disagree with you on this scene. While yeah, Hulk went through a lot of crap, that still doesn't change the fact that he wouldn't really understand what she-hulk was going through. Just because you learned trigonometry in highschool, doesn't mean you'll automatically understand something like calculus in college, even though they're both math, and have a strong relation. And in the same breath, just cause Hulk went through a lot of physical trauma and abuse, doesn't mean he'll automatically understand something like s33xual harassment. They're both crap that she-hulk and hulk had to deal with, but not all crap is the same.
But the Hulk is man. Therefore, whatever suffering he might have had to endure is nothing compared with any minimal inconvenience she, as a woman, had to go through.
One of the issues i see with feminist movies goes like this: the MC (female) is already far superior in almost every way to the main villan so much so that you wonder why they're the main villain, but the MC (female) has to "find themself" to defeat the main villian. The MC (male) Is far weaker then the main villian so they spend quite a long time training to eventually be able to defeat the villian. If there is a man in a femenist ran movie, they're either ENTIRELY useless or so weak you wonder why they are there.
I've always loved both franchies. But i always thought i learned more towards Star wars. Recently though i came to realize i care more for the Star Trek characters especially STNG. It was a crazy realization I didn't see coming
@@Pidalin Halle Berry in Catwoman , terrible movie and she was in full latex too. So no the Latex had nothing to do with it really, . . . . . . . .. . maybe a little lol.
I think that The Boys did a good job with the female characters, they are unique, complex, and change throughout the story and they arent just good guys.
2:05 i will never forget this is a womans viewpoint of a strong independent woman. Twerking and throwing it back on a kids show. Straight up lil nas vibes where he wanted to strip completely naked during an award ceremony and was raising hell on twitter calling it "segregation because of his race and that he was gay" but even kardi B said "no theres gonna be kids watching" how is it disney executives and directors have less spacial awareness than kardi B and she thrives off giving a false representation of what a girlboss is.
Barbie is still the most successful film of 2023. Male characters in Barbie are portrayed as incompetent power hungry horndogs that are responsible for all societal problems. Keep coping
@simpdefendmlady6579 You forget that the Barbie movie is the opposite of "girlboss." Barbie was a satire of the depiction of "perfect" women. Barbie was trying to break the mold and be her own person. She's not baddass, all-powerful right out of the gate, like all these girlboss movies. You're mixing up your character tropes into an unknown mush, lad.
this idea that female superheroes like wonder woman & captain marvel are "role models" for young women is patently absurd, and hearing gal gadot & brie larson talk as though there's never been a strong female character in a film before just makes my teeth hurt. what's inspiring about someone who was born into power or who got it through an accident? where's the relatability there?
The Vice Admiral was probably what started me on the path of never watching movies again. Lol She berated Poe for the machismo of wanting to put his life on the line to give everyone a chance at the beginning of the movie. He got freaking arrested for it, and lectured on the bridge about an outdated trope - and then she put her life on the line for everybody else and we are supposed to look at that as admirable because she did it? Lol Then, to add insult to injury, they do it with Finn and Rose. Rose was all like "We don't need you to sacrifice yourself! We need everybody, don't do crazy things in the name of sacrifice!" Unironically, AFTER she rammed his ship out of the air with hers. This was it for me.
@@Kryxx07I'll never forget that feeling after leaving the cinema: Empty, angry and defeated. Should have walked out of the screening during the movie, but I just sat there in complete disbelief.... . The anger I felt during the Holdo scene... . I don't think I've ever craved a cigarette more in my life. If someone is telling you they liked TLJ, I know immediately that this person is absolutely nuts or dumb as heck....
Too many movies nowadays have this distracting element of needing to tell us how we should feel instead of letting us feel something on our own. Movies from decades past had a vibe to them that let you escape from things. Most of us still want that but for some reason the movie and show creators willing to give that to us are getting harder to find.
Rey: Lifts a bunch of boulders to save her friends at the end of The Last Jedi because it's Disney and girl power and happy endings! Also Rey: Gets hurt by a single slap on the wrist with a blade of grass
@@Stefan-bu6ms I've heard it's good so I will watch it at some point. I'm holding off till my daughter is a bit older and we can watch the OT together though
Arcane truly shows how women can be strong. Jinx/Powder, VI, Caitlyn, Ambessa, Mei, but also how much men can be compassionate and humble like Jayce and Viktor while preserving the innovative spirit men are in our society. And most importantly, fatherhood like Silco and Vander. Silco while a villain still shows how even selfish people can still love others.
The character of Rey was well regarded in the first Star Wars movie that she appeared in?!? You couldn’t get a more two dimensional almost one dimensional character. No backstory other than she’s a scavenger. No character arc, and in particular no hero arc. No struggle, she just picks up a light saber and she’s instant bad ass Jedi. Every other Jedi had to train. Presumably, even the female Jedi that did exist. But in particular, I guess this was a slap against the male Jedi, to show that she is somehow superior to male Jedi. She goes up against an enemy, who is trained, schooled in the force, schooled in the way of combat, and experienced. And somehow, she just knows how to flip and twirl and spin, that light saber and fight like an expert. anyone who wants to say “the force it” can shove it up their rear. The force didn’t do it. The character of Ray did not earn her spurs. She did not earn her position. She did not deserve her position. She did not train, she did not earn the skills she displayed. They just suddenly magically appeared. there’s too much magical thinking in women and feminism. That simply not how the world works. Not the real world, nor the world within the logic and structural framework of George Lucas’s Star Wars. And there is no other Star Wars. The acolyte, whatever else it may be, is not a legitimate part of the Star Wars franchise. Nor is the anti-sequel trilogy featuring Ray. Disney and Lucas film have sacrificed quality in writing, quality and production, even quality and acting, on the almighty Altar of Woke. Everyone of the dumpster fires they call films that have come out under. Kathleen Kennedy have been just that: dumpster fires. They have sacrifice everything for the in your face, cram down your throat, and highly suspect and unpopular, agenda, and narrative that they constantly deny they’re putting into these films, but that they stand out in the open and cram, and every nook and cranny of these movies. Perhaps they have lived so believing these beliefs, that men and women are exactly the same and interchangeable, or perhaps, even that women are infinitely superior to men, that they are in capable of actually connecting to reality anymore. Despite their stated, objective, a lie, of course, that they’re wanting to go beyond the vision of George Lucas, the fact is that Star Wars is, George Lucas, and George Lucas is Star Wars. It’s his vision. He created a universe. You don’t come in and tear it to shreds, Put it back together into something that is utterly and completely unrecognizable and frankly insufferable, and still call it by the same name. If you want to do something totally different, then the George Lucas vision of Star Wars, then start your own damn franchise. Start from scratch, then you have a blank slate, you don’t have a huge massive fans, all of whom are against you. Not the tiny vocal negative minority that you accuse of being misogynistic, the tiny negative minority that does not exist, but the vast majority of both the massive fan base for Star Wars, and for other franchises in Lucas film, and the general audience, who have enjoyed these films prior to the acquisition of LucasFilm by Disney. The fans have every right to be critical. The fans have every right to voice, the criticisms, loud and strong. Neither the producer/Director nor Kathleen Kennedy herself, have any power, nor any right to demand that the fan cease their criticism, and, as it has been put by them from time to time,“to shut up “. We have freedom of speech for a reason. These women have no power, no, right, and no ability to quiet or sensor the fans. And it isn’t just a fans that Disney has alienated. Families throughout the United States, indeed, the world over, are rejecting the blatant propaganda in these movies. It is in a front to families. Are use patient of the rights of the parents to teach their children. The values that they want them to have. It is not the place to do this. It is the place of Disney merely to produce high-quality, broad, appeal entertainment. Both in its cinema productions, it’s television streaming programs, and in its theme park attractions. High-quality, broad mass appeal entertainment that is completely free of any propaganda message, any feminist narrative, and does not intrude into, and usurp the rights of parents. “The Acolyte” has fallen with a sickening thud AS A TRAILER ON UA-cam! I cannot wait to hear the massive thud that it will sound, the horrible, wet splat sound that it will make, when the series itself is released and falls and impacts the foundation of failure. A foundation of abject cinematic and financial failure built, brick by brick, by Kathleen Kennedy, and by Leslye Hedland..
"The character of Rey was well regarded in the first Star Wars movie that she appeared in." She was two dimensional, she had struggles just like every other character in this franchise (Even more than one background GNK droid!). Enough backstory to tell that she’s a survivor, a melee combatant, a scavenger. She HAS a character arc, and in particular, a new hero arc that presented itself to her. Big struggle, she questions her place in the Cold War, and at the climax, she picks up a light saber and she’s Jedi novice. Every other Jedi had to train. Presumably, even the female Jedi that did exist. But in particular, I was just like how the male Jedi went through, to show that she can be just as strong as any male Jedi. Anyone can as long as they have the strength, will and courage. She goes up against an enemy, who too is trained, schooled in the force, schooled in the way of combat, and experienced as well. And with her acrobatic skill and maneuvers self-taught in her life on Jakku, she just knows how to flip and twirl and spin, that lightsaber and fight like an expert. Anyone who wants to say “the force” can shove it up their microwave. The force didn’t just do it, it helped her, gave her that push to realize where she belongs. The character of Rey did earn her spurs. She did earn her position. She did deserve her position. She DID train, she DID earn the skills she displayed. They were a part of her before and right along with the story. there’s lots of magical thinking in women and feminism, including those that have been left out in the past. That is how the world should start to work (and is continuing to do so whether you like it or not). Not just including real world elements, but also including the world within the logic and structural framework of George Lucas’s Star Wars and combining it altogether (along with understandable and agreeable rules that set the limits to what can and can't be possible based on the laws of the existing reality). And there are other Star Wars. The Acolyte, is a legitimate part of the Star Wars franchise, specifically before Episode I happens. Along with the dark-alternate sequel trilogy featuring Rey (your choice to whether YOU want it canon or not, it's all in YOUR choice and own head canon that you make for yourself). Disney and Lucasfilm have sacrificed time, management, and effort with their quality in writing, consistency, continuity, production and acting despite their current employments and workers, onto no such altar of w-word (they're not satanic worshippers for Christ's sake, they are just doing their job. If something's wrong or bothering them, they speak up, not be silenced). Everyone whom have made select films become a success have come out from all over the world. Kathleen Kennedy has been a film producer and president of Lucasfilm (just a spokesperson who announces any projects, such as the ones that surprisingly sometimes stand out well, along with greenlighting selected projects to be turned into reality to be made to watch). Lucasfilm has worked hard for everything in your pretty face, ingest it down your beautiful liver, and never highly suspect an agenda, and always bringing a unique narrative that they’re proud of putting into these films and shows, but that they stand strong and create every one of their shows and movies (even if it's not supposed to be perfect like an Oscar-level or 5 Stars flick). Perhaps they have continued believing in themselves, that men and women are exactly the same and interchangeable, or perhaps, even that women are infinitely superior to men, that they are capable of actually connecting to reality. But it's true! They're capable like men, they've always have been. It's only that they've been excluded in the past, this is for making it up to them, giving them their chance and time to shine. Who knows, maybe they'll have fans and appreciation just like men do. Anyways, as stated, the objective, the truth is that they’re wanting to go beyond the vision of George Lucas, the fact is that Star Wars is George Lucas, and that George Lucas once was and will always forever will be, Star Wars. He had his vision (he can choose how he wants the story to be, whether it be canon or non-canon in books, comics, writings, etc.). He created a universe. He later then sold it because he chose to move on and support his family in life. At this point once you've sold your franchise to a buyer, the buyer can do whatever they want to do at this point. Even if the buyer turns your follow-up story into shreds, that doesn't mean you're forced to accept it, you yourself can change or create your own sequel trilogy or any other story of your own. It doesn't have to be canon or non-canon to you, that's up to you. Build and create a story that can be recognizable and liked upon by others who enjoy your tale and can call it by whatever you title it. If you want to do something totally different, like the George Lucas vision of Star Wars (or his original idea of his sequel trilogy, btw look it up it's great too), then start a new franchise. Start from scratch, so that when you have a blank slate, you won’t have a huge fanbase from the past who are still against you. Maybe with some potential writing, there'll be a somewhat curious and interested bunch of fans who might tag along or join for the first time. Not including the tiny vocal negative minority that are being misogynistic, along with the tiny negative minority that enter random fandoms only to spread hate and discord, but to include the vast majority of both the massive fanbase for Star Wars, and for other franchises in Lucasfilm, and the general audience, who have enjoyed these films prior to and after the acquisition of LucasFilm by Disney. The fans have every right to be critical. The fans have every right to voice, the criticisms, loud and strong. The executives, producers, directors, writers and Kathleen Kennedy herself, have power and a right to allow fans (but not toxic haters) to send their criticisms and issues to say whether if something is not working for them, then that will let the company know that they will have to change their strategies and methods so that they can make something that is agreeable to mostly everyone to every participating audience. We have freedom of speech for a reason. These people have power, a right and an ability to allow their fans for feedback and support, and also the ability to report and block haters and trolls. And it isn’t just the fans that Disney has not alienated. Families throughout the United States are simply ignoring the blatant propaganda in these movies, because there is none. It's all just the usual science-fiction fantasy to families that doesn't relate to bigotry and outside current issues. It's fiction, not something to think far too deeply or seriously with negative thoughts. Parents know of parental guidance in movies, so it is common sense to tell your child what stuff means if they are confused (because adults are mature and know a lot, with their smart brains). The values that they want them to learn or relate to is up to the adults or children themselves if they want to live by them or just have a short temporary thought to forget later on. It is fine to explain the inside values or lessons just as long as it isn't told in the wrong way. It is the place of Disney to produce high-quality, broadband, appealing entertainment. Both in its cinema productions, its television streaming programs, and in its theme park attractions. High-quality, nationwide or worldwide mass appeal entertainment that is completely free of any propaganda messages, welcomes any narratives (male and female or altogether), and does not intrude into or offend the rights of viewers. “The Acolyte” has surprised fans AS A TRAILER ON UA-cam! I cannot wait to hear the massive appreciation that it will make, the exhilarating excitement that it will make, when the series itself is released and impacts the foundation for individual and multicultural acceptance. A foundation of thorough cinematic work and financial success built, brick by brick, greenlit by Kathleen Kennedy, and created by Leslye Hedland.
@@Sensor_BeamI am curious what movie you were watching, as it certainly was not the film “The Force Awakens” that I and so many others viewed. I may have to deconstruct your somewhat odd reply over two or three replies of my own, due to reply length limitations. The character of Rey did not, in fact, have a significant or particularly coherent character arc, and most definitely not a significant or coherent hero arc. Her life as a scavenger provided her rudimentary survival and fighting skills. The idea that she would simply develop significant fighting skills with her staff that translate into instant expertise with a light saber is ludicrous. At best, she would be a clear and present danger to herself and others The character of Luke Skywalker trained for, according to the movies and established canon, four years or more under the tutelage of a superlative Jedi, developing considerable skill in both combat and use of the Force, and still had not completed the full training. Rey picked up a light saber and became “Just The Bestest Ever!” instantly. Her “training”, such as it was, consisted of some conversations about The Force and its use, no significant active guidance or training, and then about a year of being “trained” to become a Jedi by Leia, who you apparently do not know was not and is not herself a Jedi and, despite being acknowledged as being Force sensitive, was not and is not qualified or capable of providing Jedi training. Rey remains a poorly fleshed out character, who has nothing in the half-assed shred of a character arc given to her to support the skills and capabilities she exhibits. Realistically, both in terms of our reality and the internal “reality” of “Star Wars”. Rey going up against a fully trained and combat experienced Sith and surviving, let alone defeating her opponent, is simply absurd, whether considered within the reality of our world, or within the fictional reality of the “Star Wars” universe created by George Lucas. We will consider it within the context of our reality. Women are not capable like men. They never have been, and it has nothing to do with discrimination, or patriarchy, or misogyny, or any of the other emotionally based, reality denying feminist excuses. I am not a feminist. I have no respect for nor tolerance for feminism. It is an intrinsically and explicitly sexist and misandristic movement, one that has dropped even the pretense of seeking equality-that was achieved in 1963/1964 by the passage by a male Congress of legislation guaranteeing equal opportunity and equal pay for equal work, and the signing of that legislation into law by a male President, John F. Kennedy, and legislation in the early 1970s that eliminated the last vestiges of banking and credit access inequality-and now blatantly and militantly seek power, privilege, and advantage in both government and society as a whole, as well as pushing for “equity” instead of equality, equity being an inherently discriminatory concept straight out of the theories of Marxist communism, stripping the earnings and assets of the more productive and talented and “redistributing” what is taken to the less talented and the less productive. I am a humanist, which is focused upon promoting, among other things, equal respect for the genders, truly equal opportunity and not to extra considerations given to women over men in education and in business hiring, and equal pay for objectively equal work. (I am rather hoping that you will come back with the witless myth of the “discriminatory gender pay gap@, which has been refuted by numerous studies. I enjoy humiliating people who still attempt to promote that as being real, as the information refuting it is common knowledge, and people still claiming it exists are consciously lying.) End of part one. Part two to follow.
@@Sensor_Beamlet’s begin part two: In addition to being a humanist, I am a medical professional, medical/surgical specialist with knowledge of human anatomy and physiology, and a merciless insistence upon facts over feelings. As stated in my part one post, women are not capable like men, and it has nothing to do with women being excluded in the past. Men and women are morally equal, equal in value as human beings, as persons, equal in intelligence (although the distribution of that intelligence is more polarized in men and is remarkably different in terms of focus and application between men and women), but in no other way. Human males and females evolved for very different roles. Their capabilities are not and never have been the same. They are not and never have been interchangeable. Human male anatomy differs from from female anatomy in much more than just lack of developed breasts and differently structured genitalia. Men have far more and far larger skeletal muscle fibers, and are as a result far stronger than women on average. No amount of exercise by women can overcome this disparity. Maximally physically develop the musculature of a man and a woman, and the man will be several orders of magnitude stronger than the woman. The skeletal structure of human males exhibits several differences from the skeletal structures of human females. Those differences are very significant. Human male skeletal anatomy evolved to adapt men to the roles and functions for which they evolved: hunting prey, very often much larger and stronger than humans, defending against predatory species, also often larger and stronger than humans, and engaging in combat with other humans, either to defend territory, resources, and tribal members, or to attack in order to ensure needed territory and resources. This is a large part of what human males evolved for. Human female anatomy in large part evolved to conceive, carry, and bear young. Hip structure, leg structure, joint angles, etc., are remarkably different from those of males. Brain anatomy is markedly different. The human male brain is 10% to 20% larger than the female brain. This does not translate into nor do I mean it to imply that men are as a consequence more intelligent. As stated before, the data shows quite definitively that men and women are, in general, equally intelligent. It does pertain to the different functions for which men and women evolved, however. There is some literature that shows that the corpus callosum, the tissue that connects the two hemispheres of the brain and permits communication between them, is thinner in men than in women, which would reduce that cross talk to some degree. Other literature, however, does not show that structural difference. In either case, the minds of men are as a consequence of differences in neuroanatomy and neurophysiology in general largely compartmentalized, like a building with separate and distinct “rooms” divided by “walls” and “doors”, while the minds of women are in general more like an open plan building, with different areas for different functions, and for the most part no distinct separation between areas. This is something of an oversimplification, but is essentially accurate. Both were and are essential for the success and survival of our species, and are equally valuable. While men and women have an equal capacity for logic, reasoning, problem solving, spatial relationships, imagination, creativity, intuition, and emotion, as a consequence of differences in brain anatomy and physiology, men spend the vast majority of their lives in left brain dominant logic, reason, and problem solving, and are relatively disconnected from their emotions, while women in comparison are in both hemispheres at the same time, and spend the vast majority of their lives constantly immersed in their emotions. Even when experiencing emotions, men and women process their emotions very differently. Emotions play an integral role in nearly every aspect of their daily lives, while men have relatively little day to day use for emotions on a day to day basis, save those with utility for hunting, defense, and fighting: anger, fear, and aggression. Men are in general many orders of magnitude more aggressive than women, while women are many orders of magnitude more agreeable than men. This, too, is a product of human evolution. None of these things are social constructs, and none of these things are opine to differences of opinion. They are purely facts of human biology. Stand by for part three.
@@Sensor_Beampart three, here we go: Fear not, this pertains to the “Star Wars” anti-sequel trilogy, and to the character Rey. Consider the following scenarios: An average man versus an average woman, each without martial arts training. An average man versus an average woman, each with extensive martial arts training. An average man versus an average woman, each without military training or experience. An average man versus an average woman, each with military training and experience. A maximally physically developed man versus a maximally physically developed woman, each without extensive martial arts training. A maximally physically developed man versus a maximally physically developed woman, each with extensive martial arts training. A maximally physically developed man versus a maximally physically developed woman, each without military training or experience. A maximally physically developed man versus a maximally physically developed woman, each with military training and experience. Each of the above sets engage in an all out, no-holds-barred fight. Each of the above sets represents an “apples to apples” comparison In every one of those sets, the man will win, and in a very brief amount of time, mere minutes. In every one of those sets, whether the woman is merely bruised, seriously injured, or killed, will be entirely at the discretion of the man. There have been real life match ups to prove it: A championship professional mixed martial arts fighter fought against a middle-ranked amateur male mixed martial arts fighter. The male defeated her. A well trained female Marine who bragged about her prowess, and that she could beat any man, went into the ring against one of her fellow male Marines. The male beat her down, putting her flat on the mat, in mere minutes, without difficulty. In sports, the Williams sisters, top ranked at the height of their tennis careers, each played against an older middle ranked male tennis player in the decline of his career. He beat them both. A professional women’s soccer team versus an amateur men’s soccer team. Victory: men’s team. A top ranked men’s track athlete running against top ranked women’s take athletes. He did not merely beat them, he very nearly lapped them in the process. Feminist commentators in, I believe, New Zealand (might have been Australia) pushed for a men versus women netball game, to prove that female athletes are every good as male athletes. A top ranked championship female team competed with a team comprised of teenaged young men. The young men mopped the court with them. The feminist commentators then criticized the young men for defeating the women’s team instead of either throwing the game or forfeiting, showing the lack of fairness, the disrespect for respect for men, the hypocrisy, and the lack of integrity that is characteristic of today’s iteration of feminism. In the United States armed forces, soldiers had to be on frontline combat status in order to be eligible for promotion into the higher commissioned ranks. Feminists pushed for combat status for women claiming discrimination. The regulations changed and combat status was enacted for women. None applied. The big brass had to push women into accepting combat status. The women were unable to meet the combat fitness and combat readiness requirements. In order to enable the female soldiers to meet combat fitness and readiness requirements, the military branches had to cut them down for women, lowering them to just about one half of what men are required to meet, AND to give the females extra chances and modified conditions before the women were able to just barely squeak by. Even now, it is a low percentage of women in the military who seek combat readiness status. Please note that there are women serving as combat pilots, helicopter and jet, and transport pilots, and they serve with distinction. It would appear, however, that all of the “stunning and brave, strong and independent” women want to be eligible for the privilege of promotion without limit, very few of them beyond the pilots are particularly willing to fulfill the responsibility to put their lives on the line that comes with that privilege, apparently preferring to leave the actual risk of death exclusively to men. And virtually none of them can meet the standards men must meet to have the same privilege. All of those are both long-standing traditions, biological realities of comparative physical capabilities, and are blatantly discriminatory-against men, by women.
I don’t have anything to add to this, but THIS, THIS is how you disagree in a comment section! Well-researched, nuanced arguments with multiple parts and examples. Good job both of you :)
No he's not, he's a reactionary that cries like a baby any time a woman does anything cool in a show or movie. I used to like that dude, but he's become a self-parody of every sad sack that cries "woke" at literally anything that isn't a straight white dude being better than everyone else.
He’s very good… on some things. The only problem with the Drinker is that almost everything even containing a woman or a black man is now tainted by “The Message.” Which it isn’t. I understand his bitterness because of the constant slop we’ve been fed for the last 8 years, but he does go too far sometimes
Marvel fans have been begging for a Black Widow movie ever since the first Avengers, and when it finally came out, it was a hot steaming pile of dogshit and we were called sexist for not liking it...
The story eas good, but taskmaster should have been a guy in my opinion. Nothing sexist, its just that he is a guy in every single other iteration of him. Also the cgi was awful in that one airplane scene@@jorgelujlrcn
I called out the first Disney SW movie right when I walked out of the cinema. Never touched anything Disney SW ever since. It was 100% clear where this trainwreck was going from EP7 onward.
@@gosnooky SW should have went with the expanded universe of the books to progress. It feels repetitive and uninspired at this point, exhausted. With SF like "The Expanse" and stuff it is no longer needed either.
Andor is an example of a decent script, good character (and a woman, BTW). But unfortunately it is the ONLY example of this. EP7 could have a good Rey character, but the story is so absurd that any effort of the poor actress goes wasted. Then it is all downhill
Perfect examples of strong female characters are every female lead in Studio Ghibli films. Sophie, Arriety, Chihiro, Kiki, San, and Umi are phenomenal characters who demonstrate a wide range of traits, from bravery, compassion, resilience, ambition, integrity, and love. All of those traits are both feminine and masculine when applied correctly to characters that have depth, relate to the audience, and have something to root for. Women (and men) aren't necessarily bound to traits generally seen as feminine or masculine. Forcing masculinity into a female character because it drives the plot is totally different than the woman becoming (or is) masculine based on circumstances that develop the character. Changing genres: an example of that is Sadie Adler. We find her as this helpless woman whose husband was murdered before her eyes and how she was abused by the Driscolls. Two chapters later, we see her evolve into a dependent woman with a progressing story arc of seeking street justice for her husband. Her "girl boss" felt evolved based on the circumstances that developed her as a character. If Saddie were immediately overbearing or overstrengthed, we wouldn't believe her progress as much as we do. Same with the Ghibli female protagonists. Disney, make a compelling story, not an agenda you wish to be accepted by an audience seeking entertainment.
This hurts my souls so much. Having grown with the original Star Wars trilogy, and having seen the prequels in my teens, the franchise always had a special place in my heart, but boy oh boy did it went downhill, this is what truly saddens me to a point of no return. Kids in a couple of decades will really perceive Star Wars as a poorly written, embarassing LGBT propaganda sh*t. What a goddamn shame...
Perhaps just life at your house? I didn't mind ruining Star Wars if it drains you chuds of your delicious tears 🤣🤣🤣 Not like the old ones have disappeared. It reminds me of how in the 90s Kurt Cobain was intentionally trying to change and sabotage his music because he started attracting fans kinda a lot like you.
@@eliaquadarella2948 It's not lgtv propaganda. Just because it's liberal doesn't mean it's gay. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You need anger management classes my dude.
There are literally no gay people in this franchise. I got no idea what you're talking about. The only gay relationship I've seen in all of star wars are two lezbians in the new show Andor. And it's not even official or explicit. Like they haven't even kissed yet they're just teasing it till the reveal.
Look, even the Mandalorian had main badass female characters, the Armorer, Bo Katan etc. But it was written EXTREMELY well. In the words of Mark Hamill: " The problem isn't the fact that the main character is a woman, its because that's all they did." Wake up Disney.
This is true. When I watched The Rise of Skywalker in the cinema, I came from the experience laughing at the film. It is also the film which broke me, watching films, after a decade of media studies, it ended after that film and I haven't returned the cinema since.
I second that. I used to look forward to seeing a new film - either big studio or indie - with a growing surge of excitement. Ever since "The Rise of Skywalker," filmgoing seems to be more of a slog. Whenever my wife or a friend suggests we see a film, my first thought is "Dear god, I should just say no!" Add to the fact that no filmmaker seems to be able to make a film with a running time between 90 minutes to 2 hours. Filmgoing is no longer fun. I'd sooner vacuum the floor or wash the dishes than see another Marvel movie or a 3 1/2 hour Scorsese epic.
I was young when i realized that star wars wasnt what the fans made it seem. I didnt need critics to point it out the flaws. What it was for me was all the people calling me a loser for even watching the series and actually looking at it from another angle to see that only a couple of the movies were good and most of the good stuff came from the games and "books"
I walked out of Rise of Skywalker when they attacked that Star Destroyer on horseback. It was only the second movie I've ever walked out on. Unwatchable garbage. I'm not even going to give Acolyte a hatewatch because there's absolutely no way it won't be garbage, too.
Hollywood in general has majorly contributed to us now having a generation of people who are used to crying until they get what they want, instead of actually doing anything for themselves.
Didnt you see, it worked for Jedi girl and she beat Luke with no training! Screaming and never taking accountability is how you get things done in this world. Girl power!
Ah yes, generalizing an entire generation because of politics. How impartial of you. We don't work hard? LOL. Because of the massive screw-ups of previous generations, we have to work 10x as hard just to have the same basic necessities. Spoken like a true polarized American.
@@davidmays8974 While I completely understand where you're coming from, being Gen Z and all, you'd be lying to yourself if you didn't admit Millenials and (the large majority of) Gen Z aren't self-entitled lazy narcissists that want everything handed to them. Yeah, it's 10x harder to create the same life Boomers could have off 3 pennies and firm hand shake, the options we do have are still not being taken seriously because no one wants to do that work. It's complicated, but you can't blame the political/economic state on the laziness of newer generations. We have so many tools at our disposal. If we took 100k Gen Z back in time
also i love how disney thinks they're being so helpful and empowering by having minority characters in a film set WAYYYYY into the future where people are probably more worried about staying alive than the race/gender/sexuality of a character? Just saying, ya know.
I predicted this way back in 2019. They told nerds and fans that they hated us right from the get go. I knew, however, that the day would come when "the normies", the folks who are responsible for providing the lion's share of film revenue, would grow sick and tired of propaganda and all of the rest of the bile that comes with girl boss movies. In mid to late 2023, the chickens came home to roost.
I'd even go so far as to say that from the Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad universes, Kim Wexler and Skyler White are both "girl bosses" (though it feels kind of demeaning to refer to them as such). They're both incredibly strong female characters with strong personalities and morals, and very clear goals in mind. Their genders are never really brought up at all. They're written very organically. They don't try to raise themselves up by trampling over other characters. Like you can have a "girl boss" character, just don't write them at the expense of everyone else and make their evolution believable.
disney squandering the potential of the star wars universe is what pisses me off more than anything. so many storylines we could cover, the warlord era, the yuuzhong vong war, the tales of the old republic and so many others that could even result in more people being drawn into the star wars franchise. instead we get this
When your company's reaction to learning consumers hate your product, is to blame your customer base and then make even more - your company is headin' for Chapter Seven.
The last jedi was the last time I went to the cinema! No way Im paying that much to wish I was anywhere else for 2 hours ever again when I can watch it for free online and delete it after 10 minutes if it bores me. Turns out all these years later it was an excellent decision, 95% of what Is made now is enough to drive a man to rather clean his house instead....
I’m much more interested in the tawdry tale of how leslye headland got this job in first place Wonder how many women she helped Weinstein exploit.. So sick of seeing morally void, power obsessed people like this be celebrated
It’s really hard to see her as anything but pure evil because of her being a former assistant to that monster. There is no way in hell she didn’t know and there is no way she didn’t help cover all of his shit up.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 exactly. I suspect she’s just a mini kk and this is exactly how her mysteriously ongoing power is explained as is what utter cucks formerly great men like Lucas, Spielberg, etc all likely are as I’d bet they went to a certain island
Was she a grilboss? Sure she piloted a kaiju sized mech but she had to overcome her past and fact she lost her parents and person who adopted her later. Plus she nearly died by the end. So she is more of a well writen woman character than a girlboss
As someone who went to the sequal movies, i can say that i will never again ever pay a dime for anything Star Wars related, i haven't seen the Han Solo movie, except for the fight between Obi Wan and Vader i was severely disappointed in the Obi Wan series, the Boba Fett series was a complete disaster, Andor was good though, The Mandalorian is a pile of garbage now and i wish i never saw the latest season and even though Ahsoka is one of my favorite characters, i haven't even seen that series. I kinda watch the series in the hope it would get better and for some time it was, but not anymore, i'm done with this franchise, can't even consider anything Disney made as canon.
I worry that the Acolyte is going to double-down on the girl boss trope that they've decided must be included in every Star Wars movie. You didn't mention Ahsoka in your review and for good reason because Disney did a very good job of developing all the women characters in Ahsoka. Their motivations were clear, they made mistakes, and their characters developed more in 8 episodes than Rey's did in 3 movies. Ahsoka wasn't perfect and there are things about it I don't like but you can't say that they fell into the "Girl-Boss" trope. They even gave us some great male characters!
George Lucas, the ‘father’ of _Star Wars,_ supported Bob Iger, and that was the final nail in the coffin. Star Wars has long been dead, but it was only now the most hardcore fans has accepted it’s demise and have begun to move on.
A series exploring a female sith acolyte going through training and finding her way through the galaxy wiuld legit be interesting. But I know the ideological feminists in charge, it's going to suck.
Seriously, women need to know their place in movies. We need more men like Arnold taking out an entire army by himself ("Commando") or Tom Cruise playing the exact same character (ie- "the Savior") like he does in every movie. Or Expendables 12.
It’s simple: People don’t have a problem with women taking the pivotal role in a movie. They have a problem with bad writing. Ellen Ripley, Sarah Connor & Vi etc. are beloved female characters because they’re relatable, flawed & compelling not just because they’re strong.
Edit: aaaaaand (thus far) it sucks. I have a sneaking suspicion that all criticism of the show’s plot and characters will be deflected by calling people sexists & bigots 🧐
Edit 2: That was an understatement. Acolyte is absolutely awful
Edit 3: Episode 4… how is it getting even worse 😂
Edit 4: Well it’s over. One of the worst shows I’ve ever seen. It completes the trinity of trash with Velma & She-Hulk. Just another nail in Star Wars’ coffin.
what do you mean bad writing the show doesn’t exist yet
@@georgieboatit’s about girl boss Mary Sues in general, the Acolyte is just the example Moon uses to carry the overall topic
Don’t forget Eowyn from lotr
Yes, I think that people are also getting tired of action movies with female leads. They are making too many of them. It's becoming too predictable. It's just not believable to see skinny women beating up men.
@@nerychristian it's ok if we are using ranged weapons, but immersion falls when you see a skinny 65kg woman destroying a 120kg muscular man with her fists.
Disney Star Wars: we’re finally putting women in Star Wars as main characters!
Leia and Padme:
*am I a joke to you?*
interesting point there! if episode IV or II would be released now, everyone would loose their minds on it being "too political" and "woke leftist bullshit"
Ahsoka also. She was basically a co-protagonist of The Clone Wars along with Obi-wan and Anakin
Don't forget Hera and Sabine from Rebels
Jyn Erso from rouge one as well
@@amanms1999the clone wars was Disney xd
Luke, who essentially becomes the most powerful user of the force in star wars history, was being trained by one of if not THE best teachers ever (Yoda), and he still lost his first fight with Vader. He then had to go back and spend MONTHS training even more. Ray who finds out she is a Jedi like a few weeks ago with zero training whatsoever can defeat Kylo Ren who has been training his whole life? Already there are zero stakes, she easily defeats the big villain without going through any hardship or development. Compare this to Luke, who with the power and training mentioned, gets his hand cut off in his first fight against Vader who was going easy on him the whole time. Horrible horrible horrible writing.
Shows reality of the world. Doesn't matter how much you prepared or more competent you are. What matters is whats between your legs.
And all that to end up calling her a skywalker 😂
And here you are, comparing Kylo Ren to Darth Vader. Let's face it, Vader was 1000 times the villain that Ren EVER was. Ren was young, impulsive, and lost his temper on an hourly basis. Vader didn't scream, yell, and smash equipment. Because Vader had a MUCH better command of the Force than Ren could ever dream of having. Yeah, Luke was trained by Yoda - but he lost his first fight with Vader precisely BECAUSE he was impulsive, angry, and lacked the needed focus. Yoda said as much. Luke lost precisely BECAUSE he was behaving just like Kylo Ren, and Yoda knew he would most likely lose. Now, even though Yoda trained Luke - at least in part - how long was this training? It never seemed to me that Luke was on Dagobah very long -- he did some running around, levitated some rocks, beheaded his own shadow - but that was essentially it. There was no "training montage" -- a staple of 80s movies -- much to Empire Strikes Back's credit, but it just didn't seem to me that Luke was all that well-trained. AND ... Vader was conflicted about killing his own son. Palpatine sensed it. I honestly don't believe Vader WANTED to win ... otherwise I think Luke would've lost to Vader from the beginning.
@@hannable70
The first half of your comment is just opinion and hyperbole so I’ll focus on the lack of facts in the second half.
We don’t know how long Luke was on Degobah “running around, levitating some rocks”, but I do know that Empire Strikes Back took place 3 1/2 years after Star Wars.
And it was on Hoth that Obi Wan told Luke that he must seek out Yoda because “THERE IS NOTHING MORE I CAN TEACH YOU”
(Not Yelling, just emphasizing)
That’s a little more time than the 2 or 3 days that Rae even knew that she had force powers and that Jedi were even real.
Then, you claim that Vader could have won had he wanted to but didn’t.
That simply helps defeat your own argument for Rays success against Kylo because he had ZERO reservations about killing her and he was easily a 1000 times a better duelist than the girl who had literally just lit up the lightsaber for the first time.
The ratio for the acolyte tells me that Star wars fans have finally accepted Kylo Rens words
Let the past die.
The Wokelyte 😁
"Finally accepted" LOLZ
its like when South Park made that "woke" episode LOLZ. Right at the cutting edge of culture arent they they got their thumb on the zeitgeist LOLZ
Star Wars is Old Yeller.
The sequels are trash anyways
And what do best selling misandrist and woke movies like barbie tell you?
I'll never forget that they robbed us of Finn's story. A stormtrooper becoming a Jedi.
It was the only original idea they had in the movie, but they weren’t interested in doing anything with it. So they just ended up using him as a goofy sidekick to swoon over the perfect White girl. And anyone who pointed this out was called misogynist or even racist…until John Boyega came out and basically said the same thing himself.
Shame really, I watched TFA and Finn seemed alright.
Who cares about finn. They destroyed Han and Luke.
@@HansKlopekthat doesn't change the fact that they had the chance to actually do something interesting with one of the new characters and decided not to. That actually makes it worse.
And they tried to make him gay as well
I don't have any hope for Star Wars anymore, Darth Katleen really killed it
yeah, cause she is the one writing the scripts and developing crappy characters, right?
@TheNat11 she's the one that gives the scripts the Final thumbs up and has the Kenobi script re written to feature Leia instead of Luke, so yeah it's her fault.
@@noneyabizness6094still pissed how that basically retconned a new hope.
“Darth” is far too grand of a title for someone like her tbh, she doesn’t deserve being called one.
@@noneyabizness6094
Bruh it actually wouldve made sense for Luke wtf
The Japanese have had powerful female roles in anime and film but the only difference is they don’t make it propaganda
Don't forget videogames too, like Samus Aran from Metroid, and Bayonetta.
@@FlanFlanScarletthose too
Esdeath from Akame Ga Kill and Mikasa from AOT are the BEST female anime characters EVER.
No. All of you are lying as a group when you mention these characters like they were mainstream icons. You’d have to know who they are or watch their movies to have any indication of them back then past a mention or proper success stemming from multiple roles.
You’re only remembering these women characters now as a group as a response to this overcorrection in Hollywood
@@justjoshua5759 Samus Aran is pretty fucking mainstream my dude. At least among Millennials and younger.
If you want to get into Hollywood, though, there are plenty of examples. Sarah Connor in Terminator being the quintessential example, IMO.
In defence of The Boys, they were directly taking the piss out of Marvel with their "girls get it done" running joke.
And even their girl bosses have better writing than the shit being shoveled today. I say that without sarcasm, the writing in The Boys is genuinely good at giving nuances to its women characters.
Starlight wakes up to the reality that her powers weren't a gift from God like she was lead to believe, but the result of a government experiment her mother put her up to for a check.
Maeve started out thinking the world of her new job until she gave away too much of herself to the point of being complicit in Homelander's bullshit and had to find relief at the bottom of a bottle.
Through their hardships, they make an effort to grow and change from what they endure.
Girl bosses nowadays don't have to work for anything or fight a larger problem that challenges them and their ideology.
It was a joke Alright.
The boys is good though
This is the only Marvel comment I saw, but why in the world are they twerking in She-Hulk?
When Homelander is "directing" their movie (i don't remember the specific episode), and how he forces Maeve to act all lesbian on camera for the film, that was the perfect encapsulation of hollywood and disney
"im gonna make a movie about a woman being a main character!"
>The female character in question is OP times 9000, has little to no struggles, personality is flatter than my floor
"Why is noone liking my movie?"
People don’t hate the “girl boss” characters because they’re women it’s because they’re poorly written
They ain't no Ripley or Sarah Connor.
@siegel947
More than one emoji used in your argument = opinion discarded
Overpowered main characters are usually a bad idea, girl boss is just the most controversial. It's not like it can't work but the ones that do work often get less screen time than side character, which defeat the purpose of promoting an agenda
Let’s be real it’s overall not but this reaction and all these complaints aren’t coming from ppl who view these ppl as worthwhile enough to watch on the screen considering they weren’t even that present and barely talked about as much
Like yeah it’s an insane overreaction but it’s not one born from nothing either.
Of course.
No, unfortunately Disney will not stop doing it. They know everyone hates it but they dont care. When they announced Rey was coming back, that was the confirmation their politics outweigh common sense. Because that was not a thing in the pipeline they had to burn off, that was a decision moving forward knowing girlboss films fail and not caring.
I know the truth
They get taxpayer dollars to do it as well. At this point most the films are not making profits anymore so why continue? It stinks of corruption and laundering. Disney to change tack would have to fire most of the employees it’s embedded deeply only an aggressive takeover and complete purge would change it. So it’s going to continue
Agreed. At the end of the day, they still go home with a fat pay cheque to their massive 20 room mansions.
well it still depends on how they execute it ngl rey herself was poorly written in the sequels they tried to just tell another luke story
Funded by Blackrock.
“Woke we are - much broke we will be”
-yoda
you forgot the giggle
I’m glad they’re finally starting to realize that unearned power and confidence doesn’t resonate with an audience, but the experience and journey that the characters took to develop. It’s OK to put women through tough trials and tribulations for character development, that is not misogyny.👍💯
they're too dumb to realize that. it's the same with gay/trans and racial minorities as well
Barbie is still the most successful film of 2023. Male characters in Barbie are portrayed as incompetent power hungry horndogs that are responsible for all societal problems. Cypher was right, ignorance truly is bliss
The Barbie movie was vvoke and misandrist and it did great. Best selling in 2023
@@simpdefendmlady6579Ya, but the women were girly, and feminine. Not masculine and bland.
I felt like it was somehow transphobic though
Yoda: Finn, the chosen one you are.
Finn: Really? You mean it? Not somebody else?!
Yoda: No, in yourself believe.
Disney: Hey, wait, just because he was a child soldier and as FN-2187 not even had a name, that does not mean he is relatable zero-to-hero material...
Finn: I am not? Why?!
Disney: Put a chick in it and make her lame. That's what audiences expect from us. But, Finn, we will keep you around as a laughing stock.
Finn: ... I am not coming back for any of your Plus shit...
Disney: Fine. We will find another minority to exploit and fake-care about.
The whole idea of politics in movies is to have a shield to deflect against legitimate criticism. They want to say things like “the fans are racist and sexist” rather than saying “we made a bad script”
Yes. They use the overt political messaging as a shield so they do not have to be competent craftsmen. There are woke things made well like Steven Universe - where it tells stories but just so happens to show the virtues and perks of their viewpoint. The current crop of 'movies' just preach and the world they portray is not even showing their politics in a good light, or showing its virtue, but showing men being denigrated for revenge.
You make a great point, but ultimately it’s control & propaganda. That’s the reason for the politics.
Andor is the most political Star Wars project ever released and nobody had an issue with it. Having women or poc as main characters isn't political lol
did you read the script yet? mfs will say shit like 'captain marvel is bad cuz its woke' when its literally american military propaganda, and say 'andor is good cuz its not woke' when its literally shows the sparks of collective action and working class revolt lmao
Fucking love this comment
Finn would have been a much better lead than Rey. A stormtrooper turned Jedi, with proper struggles with PTSD and trying to keep up with Jedi teachings despite his emotional turmoil.
He is just a man
This already sounds quite compelling. You can even sprinkle in a dash of narrative regarding the idea that a Storm Trooper could break the mold and be a force user.
Only question I would ask is: how did they get different peoples to be Storm Troopers? Aren't they all clones of Jengo Fett? It could actually seal that lore gap (if I missed it anyway) and be popular. I found Finn to be the most interesting cast member of the films.
@@Drako9823 the clones are no longer used post episode 6, i guess. Or, they were just ignoring the lore in the first place, like usual
Sounds decent actually
That plot would’ve been so sick man. They could’ve depicted how Finn struggles to cope with what the real world is like after he’d been brainwashed by The Empire for many years.
Storm Troopers are pretty much trained in Sith Philosophy so there’d naturally be many clashes with the Jedi way whilst he’s trying to figure out his position in life and within the Jedi order and turn the tide of war against the evil empire. Almost like an inner and outer conflict kind of narrative.
The most unbelievable thing to me is how these big movie companies have the mindset of, “don’t listen to what the audience likes, we decide what you like”, which completely baffles me on how that’s an effective sales strategy .
It's not about sales. It's about social engineering.
If it was about sales they would of stopped 20 vvoke flops ago.
But it's not, so they don't.
@@mackamotorsport2593 "social engineering" means tricking someone into doing things they wouldn't normally do, such as allowing someone access into a restricted area because you've convinced them you're allowed to be there, or some other means of deception like tricking a corporate employee into divulging their password.
It does not mean what you think it does. Put down the tin foil hat and read a book that doesn't require crayons for once in your life. 😞
Look at who runs Hollywood, Central Banking, Pornography industry.
If you get your answer, you're antisemitic.
Because we don't matter. They will continue to Program the masses the way they want to. As they always have.
you have a point there, with a fanbase that misogynistic, i dont understand how they still do female protagonists, if they already know everyone will cry about "feminist agenda" and "woke bs"
How to write a good female character:
step 1: write a good character
step 2: make character female
Had they dumped Rey and made Finn the fallen storm trooper who becomes a Jedi, the series would have been so good. Critical Drinker did an awesome synopsis of this idea. It would have been a far hearier war movie. Much Grittier
Seriously. Finn had so much potential yet he was reduced to screaming REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! like an idiot for two and a half movies. He should be the protag and Rey could be a secondsry non force sensitive character who guides them trought Jaku and then joins them after nearly dying to help them because she messed up earlier or something.
Critical Drinker really needs to step away from the booze and be sober sometimes.
There's a youtuber who remade the sequel trilogy as narrated stories with AI generated images to complement the stories.
Their sequel trilogy is much better than what we've gotten from Disney.
Finn started similarly like Disney's story & became a Jedi in the end, leading the new Jedi Order. Rey was still Palpatine's "decendant" but she started as a "Darth Vader" type character & later turned to the light side after Luke saved her. Poe was Han Solo's protegé & later became Rey's husband.
Han Solo died in the 1st story but because he heroically trying to save Poe & others when the new Jedi Temple that Luke built was attacked by Rey & her Imperial remnant Stormtroopers.
Leia became the new Chancellor of the New Republic in the end.
Ben Solo started as the best Jedi Padawan who turned to the dark side because he felt powerless & unable to save his father from the Jedi Temple ambush, but he got his own redemption arc in the end.
Knights of Ren were like the Inquisitors that had their own leader with a title "Kylo Ren" & originally answered to Rey as their Darth Vader equivalent.
Kylo Ren wasn't originally Ben Solo but someone else & Ben killed him in the 2nd story & took the title to complete his transformation to the dark side.
At the same time, Rey was turning to the Light side & was actually trained by Luke.
There was a cameo of Anakin in the last story, fighting Palpatine's soul who took over Ben Solo's body while Ben himself was fighting Rey & Luke who became young & strong again for the climactic battle only (thanks to The Force & the teachings of Anakin, Obi-Wan, & Yoda's Force ghosts).
There was also a cameo of older Mara Jade in the final story & her relationship with Luke was explained there.
@@anow5426 Whats their youtube channel? Also I wish we got to see Finn lead a Stormtrooper rebellion within the first order
@@moneyandbones He understands enough to know it's shit regardless, he just focuses on the wrong things sometimes
The bride from kill bill wasn’t an indestructible machine no one could beat, she faced challenges, nearly almost died three times. Felt trauma, regret, betrayal, and eventually her redemption, this is why people keep watching it till this day. Making a relatable character is hard work, anyone can make a stoic, emotionless machine. Hollywood doesn’t want to to listen because they’re still seating on a pile of cash, give it time, their war chest will dwindle then we will go back to basics.
Luke lost his first duel to Vader, and Luke had experience. But Rey wins against Kylo ren without any previous experience. Like WTF
The higher up executives who drive this nonsense will always be well paid and rewarded no matter how badly the films do. It will be the regular employees who suffer when layoffs eventually have to happen
"Diversity" took the place where "good storytelling" should've been. Groot was a walking talking tree but he has more charisma than the entirety of the Eternals cast.
I got a freebie ticket to the Enternals... glad it was free to say the least.
It's sad when Groot and Hodor are two characters that only say 1 thing and still have more feeling and heart behind them than most of these new female superheroes do.
i do love groot....
Heard someone call the new Snow White remake “off-white and the seven minorities” thought that was pretty funny
Disney has ruined Star Wars beyond repair… I watched Revenge of the Sith again after years of not seeing it and despite its corny moments it’s an epic movie and I probably enjoyed it more than I did the first time. It will probably be the last time I enjoy anything Star Wars like that ever again. The nostalgia of it all is gone for good.
That’s doubtful.
Yes, it is incredible when you think about the possibilities that a universe like Star Wars had, the lack of creativity you have to have to ruin a franchise like that is impressive.
Rogue One is underrated
I agree that they killed the nostalgia, I have zero desire to watch anything after revenge of the sith with my kids.
Why do you have so much of yourself invested in fiction of the past? This says a lot more about your boring existence than it does any franchise.
So devoid of substance, you had to go fill it in with some corporate invention which got sold to another corporation who now makes the schlock not to your liking and the rose colored glasses you look at it with?
Who gives a flying fuck? Watch the old shit, or not and just go outside, it stay in and study up and develop a new skill.
Imagine acting like a victim over this silly shit 🤣🤣🤣🤣
One of my favorite female movie characters is Trinity from the Matrix and favorite game character is Samus Aran from Metroid. THOSE are examples of amazing, strong, inspirational women. Not the trash we've been getting lately.
Ripley and Croft ❤
Samus Aran. Now there is a boss girl!!
Metroid rules!!
Just don't look in the mirror. You'll see them 50% less.
Lol jk
Jk
I still recall Jack Nicholson's character in "As Good As It Gets" when asked how he writes women so well - "I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability."
Thats funny. But tbhbas good ss it gets was full of woke tropes that got us here in the first place. It was pure propaganda. Preaching about mental health and homosexuality.
I still don't understand how they could make it work with Rogue one, then just completely destroys it with the rest of the franchise.
Rey is the character Kathleen Kennedy imagines herself as, she planted herself into the Starwars saga.
True rogue one was awesome.
I didn’t like Rogue One.
@@TheoriginalBillBraskey I mean not everybody have to like something equally, but you must have at least agree most people won't hate it compare to latter entries. There are at least some plot, the character is OK, some even enjoyable with a sense of intriguing. It might not be some kind of top tier movie, but at least people generally not hate it.
Rogue One proves that if they wanted to, Disney could make decent Star Wars movies. Yeah Rogue One is not perfect and has some issues, but overall, I think it’s a solid movie.
Why they wouldn’t want to continue that formula Rogue One started in exchange for everything else is beyond me.
The customer is always right. They have spoken.
Too bad the audience isn't the customer.
Noone os the customer. And you can see it in box office when tohose movies and series loose hundreds of milions and movie theathers are literally empty@@tinymetaltrees
@@tinymetaltreesThe audience awaits.
@@russianinvader32071 eternity later…
The sea also is always right, y'know
Disney has absolutely gutted every crumb, drop, and scent of magic that was once a part of the series.
You wanna know something funny? Cara Dune is one of the more 'recent' strong female characters and guess what? The fans absolutely loved her. Why? Because she wasn't a character who was all about ' T H E M E S S A G E ' and had a genuinely likable personality. And you wanna know what Disney did? They got rid of her as quickly as they could. Apparently, if the fans LIKE the strong female character, it's wrong. If the fans hate her, then they did everything right and we're the bad guys.
They are not interested in strong female characters. They are only interested in weak female characters that blindly follow whatever MESSAGE they are pushing at any given time. Even Candace Owens have been cancelled by her own tribe of Conservatives for not sticking to the party line. And this from the party that supposedly frowns on cancel culture.
I was so upset when Disney removed her from the franchise. She was really lovable, strong outside but has a kind heart inside. "A good character is a removed character" i guess
They do not want strong female characters. They only want weak female characters that go along with whatever agenda they are pushing at any particular point in time.
They only want weak female characters that go along with their agenda.
Strong female characters that go against THE MESSAGE is a big NO NO.
Surprises me how they get Rogue One right with strong female lead and not the rest of the Star Wars films/tv shows.
Rogue One and Andor were made by a different crew than the rest of the nu-shit-wars, and theyre the only de-infantilized movie & show in the star wars universe including the original trilogy with its bafflingly lazy and shit third movie.
Because they had a crew that was competent, skilled, and knew and respected the source material better than the wojacks preaching garbage out of their mouths.
I went into rogue during a time where I had absolutely no interest in star wars anymore and honestly that film got me back into it, then the new film came out and crushed my soul again, Rogue 1 might not have been the best movie but its definitely been the best Disney star wars movie let alone sci-fi in general, it's like the world saw people mocking stereotypes and decided "nah what we need is even more stereotypes BUT they also have to be the main character" but yea if your like me and had no intention of watching it it does have its ups especially if you know about the comic which is the only reason I gave it a shot
They hired a better writer and director.
Ngl, in the last three weeks I saw "the Jungle Book" (the cartoonfilm), "Robbin Hood"(also the cartoon one) and the first Harry Potter, and all of them were better than any movie I watched in the last 15 years. The vibes were just different. Now, all movies are pure stress to look at and social criticism
Absolutely agree.
If you like those old Disney films then you should check out The Sword In The Stone (if you haven't already).
One of my all time favorite Disney movies.
How you expect strong female to be write by weak people...
Good point
Idiotic argument, how you expect alien character to be written by someone who never left the Earth
Yeah dude above me is right, this point is idiotic
@@bartkon8987 well for one we don't know what an alien is or looks like. But for strong characters we have plenty of those
Weak people who self insert. That alien comparison is not a good point because this female empowerment message thing is downright political as well as mental, and has nothing to do with creativity at all.
I grew up with Aliens and Terminator.. No DEI back in those days, just good stories.
Hell yeah
Well I mean…
Yeah. And lack of access to even attempt to try was removed or heavily gatekept for most of these women or ppl from DEI. Hence the push for stuff like DEI since you all have this energy for these individuals when more stuff comes out that does more and recaptures your attention to be angry about.
It’s not even that you’re wrong in saying these are W characters everyone forgot about. But that’s the point. Everybody forgot because nobody cared.
We need a terminators to deal with this crap.
@@justjoshua5759 lol the movies I mentioned were the biggest of their times! Help created the term “Blockbuster.”
I think The Force Awakens was horrible and it was my first Star Wars film. I think the reason people liked it wasn't any merit of its own, but the "Star Wars fever" taking hold that we're FINALLY getting a new trilogy featuring the OT characters and thus people loved it for that reason. It was bad on its own, though, and after watching the other trilogies it was a bad sequel as well. I'll never understand why people still act like the sequels would've been alright if JJ stuck around
If you have to humiliate and push down your male characters (specially the iconic ones) in order to elevate your new (or old) female characters, your movie/series will fail no matter what.
StarWARS... With no War? LMFFFAAAOOO Disney is full of 🤡s.
Funny thing is that Star Wars without "wars" is not a such bad concept. Series about galactic exploration, politics and intrigues of the Republic's senate or some Jedi trying to survive during the Empire's reign would be pretty awesome, ngl. The only thing it would require it's good or at least decent writing, but Disney is literally uncapable of doing that.
@@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong or, just stick to the recipe that made them famous for 4 decades...
Funny thing is, Disney thinks the same way you are. Change it, because it COULD be ok... Instead of keeping the recipe the same with a few new ingredients. Instead, you and Disney want to cook a different meal, that no one wants... 🤦♂️👍
@@tankeater Are you slow or something? Where did I say to change it just for sake of it? It COULD work, yeah, but only when you have great story in mind. Star Wars as a series has both conflict and peace in it, good Star Wars fiction shouldn't focus just on one thing or another. Episode V had peaceful moments and full of conflict, same as other episodes. Different people want different things, Expanded Universe has already proved that Star Wars is for everyone. Disney producers don't think in any logical way as in most cases they were hired only because of their gender/racial/political background.
@@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong calling me slow, then asking me something... I didn't even say??? BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA 🤡.
Peace leading up to the conflict, or conflict leading to peace HAS CONFLICT IN IT. 😂🤦♂️🤡.
look into the mirror, Mr. Slow. 🤦♂️👍
@@SithEmpiredidnothingwrong and if a different person wants something DEFINITELY then SatrWARS... Why don't they just come up with their own idea and not trash a beloved franchise? LMFFFAAAOOO you hypocritical people, always think your smort for some reason.
Activism is not entertainment.
Don't forget Geena Davis in the Long Kiss Goodnight, she was badass
The only true Christmas action movie.
she was! her gender wasn't the question, she just rocked as a woman with a violent past and it worked because she was sincere and true as a wife and mother
No. And that’s kind of why this whole thing started to begin with. Not acknowledging that not many ppl cared about too many of the Sarah connors or geena Davis’s in these storys. Hence the overcorrection.
Geena Davis was an outstanding actress and actually played convincing female badass characters. Even in, A League if Their Own... she was a total bro and looked like an athlete.
Which is why it is double disappointing that she has been such a huge proponent of these new trash diversity mandates. She runs some non-profit "Girl-Boss" training center that promotes DEI.
Mila jovovich 5th element
it is not true that the acolyte trailer was awful. in fact, it was quite brilliant. it lets you play minigames while watching it, like "find the white male", or "how long can you avoid a cringe reaction".
this is great 😂
😂😂 pft, well said. But let's not count our chickens before they're hatched. Maybe the show will be interesting. Like "Andor", which is full of fairly interesting charas of both sexes. 😊
@@martar.2085 sure, lets not count the chickens. but all the signs point towards that this show is going to be just another virtue signaling crap.
like the showrunner, Leslie Whatshername constantly speaking about her own sexual orientation when asked about the acolyte. the only 2 shows that were well liked all around the globe are Andor and the Mandalorian (well, up until season 3, at least); those which had very little oversight from Kathleen Kennedy.
diversity is movies/TV shows can be awesome, if that is not the end goal, but only 1 of the characteristics (besides a good story and likeable characters). the most recent example is the "3 body problem" on netflix. that show is very diverse, and no one is complaining about it, because it is interesting and exciting.
Had me in the first half
I have to say, I try not to be a cancel person, but knowing the unspeakable acts Ms Headlund is guilty of, I find it very difficult to imagine supporting any project she is involved in. I wonder what happened to Metoo?
IT'S BEEN CLEAR FOR YEARS PEOPLE. It's not about turning a profit on these projects, it's about sending a message. They won't stop until everyone has their beliefs destroyed and aligned with their own.
Truth
W comment.
But that can't happen if nobody ever watches their stupid movies. 😅
@@artawhirler they infiltrate in other ways....
@@artawhirleryou forgot schools, social media, and news
Cringe as it may sound, the 2016 Ghostbusters helped me realize I was married to the wrong woman. My ex-wife laughed at each scene and couldn't get enough. I sat there the whole time scratching my head. Didn't get it at all.
I'm glad you figured that situation out but if it took "2016 Ghostbusters" to figure out you are married to the wrong person that is extremely sad, tragic comedy even.
Hope you arent together anymore. She wasnt worth you
My condolences, brother.
@@racingraptor4758 He said "ex-wife"
Imagine breaking up with someone over a movie. But Ig that's your right. To each their own.
Exactly, they're writing GIRLboss characters but what they needed to do was write a BOSS character and then make her played by a girl. Being a girl or guy has nothing to do with being a BOSS.
Girls bosses sucks
They think the girl boss is awesome and inclusive and whatnot… it just makes your characters look like entitled bitches.
My favorite moment of this is from She-Hulk, in the scene where Jennifer is ranting to Bruce about how miserable her life is because a few men out of the hundreds she sees catcalls her. She says she has to keep her calm and smile, meanwhile she is on the verge of a temper tantrum in this scene. And then she says that Bruce will never understand her misery… despite the fact that Bruce had a shitty childhood involving heavy amounts of abuse in vast forms and then one day becoming a literal monster via gamma radiation. A monster the world simultaneously was grateful for yet severely despised and feared and treated like, well, a monster.
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Did the writers ever read any Hulk source material? The entire point of the Hulk is that the good ol’ jolly green is a manifestation of Bruce Banner’s trauma coming out as rage? That the only reason that Bruce and Hulk managed to merge together in the MCU is through intense therapy, meditation and self care, and then injecting himself with more gamma radiation?
Those mfing writers dont know sh*t about comics
Do you expect these people to actually do their job instead of telling their unpaid intern to do it?
I mean think about it from a girl's perspective. Yes, he was abused and then treated like shit, but a couple guys were rude to her and catcalled her and looked down on her. I mean actual physical and mental abuse as a man or perceived injustice filtered through her innate bias as a woman? I think it's clear who had it worse...
It's not about who had it worse. I disagree with you on this scene. While yeah, Hulk went through a lot of crap, that still doesn't change the fact that he wouldn't really understand what she-hulk was going through. Just because you learned trigonometry in highschool, doesn't mean you'll automatically understand something like calculus in college, even though they're both math, and have a strong relation.
And in the same breath, just cause Hulk went through a lot of physical trauma and abuse, doesn't mean he'll automatically understand something like s33xual harassment.
They're both crap that she-hulk and hulk had to deal with, but not all crap is the same.
But the Hulk is man. Therefore, whatever suffering he might have had to endure is nothing compared with any minimal inconvenience she, as a woman, had to go through.
it's not about financial success. I don't wanna point fingers on who runs hollywood
I heard Kyle runs hollywood
Durrrrrrr durrrrrrr Jews evil durrrrrrr durrrrr durrrrrr
Y’all fuckers are one step away from singing Die Fahne Hoch with your red arm bands
Small hat clan
@@bobdollaz3391 imagine being so underhanded and backstabbing that there are laws preventing you for pointing out coincidence and calling them out.
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One of the issues i see with feminist movies goes like this:
the MC (female) is already far superior in almost every way to the main villan so much so that you wonder why they're the main villain, but the MC (female) has to "find themself" to defeat the main villian.
The MC (male) Is far weaker then the main villian so they spend quite a long time training to eventually be able to defeat the villian.
If there is a man in a femenist ran movie, they're either ENTIRELY useless or so weak you wonder why they are there.
The Holdo Maneuver. = Girl Boss talking down to boy men.
That's the Zapp Brannigan Maneuver
@@ThePrestoPrestissimoisn't that Worf maneuver
That things: PERHAPS TODAY IS A GOOD DAY TO DIE... PREPARE FOR RAMMING SPEED
@@ZeroDarkness- I thought she sent wave after wave of her bravest pilots against that enemy until Disney had reached their PG12 kill count
Just noticed that's close to "holodomor"
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I've always loved both franchies. But i always thought i learned more towards Star wars. Recently though i came to realize i care more for the Star Trek characters especially STNG. It was a crazy realization I didn't see coming
Kate beckinsale in Underworld, I don’t think anyone complained about her at all. She was awesome!
Yeah, but is it because of how her role was written or because of how she looks in latex? 😀 Serious question.
She got sex appeal going for her unlike the post 2016 Girl Bosses.
Ooh she was sexy as hell
@@Pidalin Halle Berry in Catwoman , terrible movie and she was in full latex too. So no the Latex had nothing to do with it really, . . . . . . . .. . maybe a little lol.
@@user-Calrulk55 ok, that's a good point 😀
I think that The Boys did a good job with the female characters, they are unique, complex, and change throughout the story and they arent just good guys.
2:05 i will never forget this is a womans viewpoint of a strong independent woman. Twerking and throwing it back on a kids show. Straight up lil nas vibes where he wanted to strip completely naked during an award ceremony and was raising hell on twitter calling it "segregation because of his race and that he was gay" but even kardi B said "no theres gonna be kids watching" how is it disney executives and directors have less spacial awareness than kardi B and she thrives off giving a false representation of what a girlboss is.
"Girl boss" trop can't die out soon enough. Get woke, go broke!
Barbie is still the most successful film of 2023. Male characters in Barbie are portrayed as incompetent power hungry horndogs that are responsible for all societal problems. Keep coping
The Barbie movie was vvoke and a total success. Keep coping
@@simpdefendmlady6579not comparable. But username checks out 😂
I somehow had some sensations of this being a promotion of transphobia in some ways
@simpdefendmlady6579 You forget that the Barbie movie is the opposite of "girlboss." Barbie was a satire of the depiction of "perfect" women. Barbie was trying to break the mold and be her own person. She's not baddass, all-powerful right out of the gate, like all these girlboss movies.
You're mixing up your character tropes into an unknown mush, lad.
this idea that female superheroes like wonder woman & captain marvel are "role models" for young women is patently absurd, and hearing gal gadot & brie larson talk as though there's never been a strong female character in a film before just makes my teeth hurt. what's inspiring about someone who was born into power or who got it through an accident? where's the relatability there?
The Vice Admiral was probably what started me on the path of never watching movies again. Lol She berated Poe for the machismo of wanting to put his life on the line to give everyone a chance at the beginning of the movie. He got freaking arrested for it, and lectured on the bridge about an outdated trope - and then she put her life on the line for everybody else and we are supposed to look at that as admirable because she did it? Lol Then, to add insult to injury, they do it with Finn and Rose. Rose was all like "We don't need you to sacrifice yourself! We need everybody, don't do crazy things in the name of sacrifice!" Unironically, AFTER she rammed his ship out of the air with hers. This was it for me.
Terrible writing. Shockley bad.
Yup. After The Last Jedi I knew I was done with Star Wars for good.
@@Kryxx07I'll never forget that feeling after leaving the cinema: Empty, angry and defeated. Should have walked out of the screening during the movie, but I just sat there in complete disbelief.... . The anger I felt during the Holdo scene... . I don't think I've ever craved a cigarette more in my life. If someone is telling you they liked TLJ, I know immediately that this person is absolutely nuts or dumb as heck....
not to mention that weaponizing lightspeed jump sort of renders the ending of Episodes 1, 4, 6 and 7 pointless.
Too many movies nowadays have this distracting element of needing to tell us how we should feel instead of letting us feel something on our own. Movies from decades past had a vibe to them that let you escape from things. Most of us still want that but for some reason the movie and show creators willing to give that to us are getting harder to find.
Rey: Lifts a bunch of boulders to save her friends at the end of The Last Jedi because it's Disney and girl power and happy endings!
Also Rey: Gets hurt by a single slap on the wrist with a blade of grass
Moon tells stories so well it doesn’t even matter if you care about the topic he talks about 👍😏
The force awakens didnt just have the signs, it had them obviously.
Yes that was the last Star wars thing I watched. Fuckin sucked.
@@thatoneguychad420 You've probably heard it before, but you should give Rogue One a shot. Good example of a female protagonist done right.
@@Stefan-bu6ms I've heard it's good so I will watch it at some point. I'm holding off till my daughter is a bit older and we can watch the OT together though
Arcane truly shows how women can be strong. Jinx/Powder, VI, Caitlyn, Ambessa, Mei, but also how much men can be compassionate and humble like Jayce and Viktor while preserving the innovative spirit men are in our society. And most importantly, fatherhood like Silco and Vander. Silco while a villain still shows how even selfish people can still love others.
The character of Rey was well regarded in the first Star Wars movie that she appeared in?!?
You couldn’t get a more two dimensional almost one dimensional character.
No backstory other than she’s a scavenger. No character arc, and in particular no hero arc. No struggle, she just picks up a light saber and she’s instant bad ass Jedi. Every other Jedi had to train. Presumably, even the female Jedi that did exist. But in particular, I guess this was a slap against the male Jedi, to show that she is somehow superior to male Jedi.
She goes up against an enemy, who is trained, schooled in the force, schooled in the way of combat, and experienced. And somehow, she just knows how to flip and twirl and spin, that light saber and fight like an expert. anyone who wants to say “the force it” can shove it up their rear. The force didn’t do it.
The character of Ray did not earn her spurs. She did not earn her position. She did not deserve her position. She did not train, she did not earn the skills she displayed. They just suddenly magically appeared. there’s too much magical thinking in women and feminism. That simply not how the world works. Not the real world, nor the world within the logic and structural framework of George Lucas’s Star Wars.
And there is no other Star Wars. The acolyte, whatever else it may be, is not a legitimate part of the Star Wars franchise. Nor is the anti-sequel trilogy featuring Ray.
Disney and Lucas film have sacrificed quality in writing, quality and production, even quality and acting, on the almighty Altar of Woke.
Everyone of the dumpster fires they call films that have come out under. Kathleen Kennedy have been just that: dumpster fires. They have sacrifice everything for the in your face, cram down your throat, and highly suspect and unpopular, agenda, and narrative that they constantly deny they’re putting into these films, but that they stand out in the open and cram, and every nook and cranny of these movies.
Perhaps they have lived so believing these beliefs, that men and women are exactly the same and interchangeable, or perhaps, even that women are infinitely superior to men, that they are in capable of actually connecting to reality anymore.
Despite their stated, objective, a lie, of course, that they’re wanting to go beyond the vision of George Lucas, the fact is that Star Wars is, George Lucas, and George Lucas is Star Wars. It’s his vision. He created a universe. You don’t come in and tear it to shreds, Put it back together into something that is utterly and completely unrecognizable and frankly insufferable, and still call it by the same name.
If you want to do something totally different, then the George Lucas vision of Star Wars, then start your own damn franchise. Start from scratch, then you have a blank slate, you don’t have a huge massive fans, all of whom are against you. Not the tiny vocal negative minority that you accuse of being misogynistic, the tiny negative minority that does not exist, but the vast majority of both the massive fan base for Star Wars, and for other franchises in Lucas film, and the general audience, who have enjoyed these films prior to the acquisition of LucasFilm by Disney.
The fans have every right to be critical. The fans have every right to voice, the criticisms, loud and strong. Neither the producer/Director nor Kathleen Kennedy herself, have any power, nor any right to demand that the fan cease their criticism, and, as it has been put by them from time to time,“to shut up “. We have freedom of speech for a reason. These women have no power, no, right, and no ability to quiet or sensor the fans.
And it isn’t just a fans that Disney has alienated. Families throughout the United States, indeed, the world over, are rejecting the blatant propaganda in these movies. It is in a front to families. Are use patient of the rights of the parents to teach their children. The values that they want them to have. It is not the place to do this.
It is the place of Disney merely to produce high-quality, broad, appeal entertainment. Both in its cinema productions, it’s television streaming programs, and in its theme park attractions. High-quality, broad mass appeal entertainment that is completely free of any propaganda message, any feminist narrative, and does not intrude into, and usurp the rights of parents.
“The Acolyte” has fallen with a sickening thud AS A TRAILER ON UA-cam! I cannot wait to hear the massive thud that it will sound, the horrible, wet splat sound that it will make, when the series itself is released and falls and impacts the foundation of failure. A foundation of abject cinematic and financial failure built, brick by brick, by Kathleen Kennedy, and by Leslye Hedland..
"The character of Rey was well regarded in the first Star Wars movie that she appeared in."
She was two dimensional, she had struggles just like every other character in this franchise (Even more than one background GNK droid!).
Enough backstory to tell that she’s a survivor, a melee combatant, a scavenger. She HAS a character arc, and in particular, a new hero arc that presented itself to her. Big struggle, she questions her place in the Cold War, and at the climax, she picks up a light saber and she’s Jedi novice. Every other Jedi had to train. Presumably, even the female Jedi that did exist. But in particular, I was just like how the male Jedi went through, to show that she can be just as strong as any male Jedi. Anyone can as long as they have the strength, will and courage.
She goes up against an enemy, who too is trained, schooled in the force, schooled in the way of combat, and experienced as well. And with her acrobatic skill and maneuvers self-taught in her life on Jakku, she just knows how to flip and twirl and spin, that lightsaber and fight like an expert. Anyone who wants to say “the force” can shove it up their microwave. The force didn’t just do it, it helped her, gave her that push to realize where she belongs.
The character of Rey did earn her spurs. She did earn her position. She did deserve her position. She DID train, she DID earn the skills she displayed. They were a part of her before and right along with the story. there’s lots of magical thinking in women and feminism, including those that have been left out in the past. That is how the world should start to work (and is continuing to do so whether you like it or not). Not just including real world elements, but also including the world within the logic and structural framework of George Lucas’s Star Wars and combining it altogether (along with understandable and agreeable rules that set the limits to what can and can't be possible based on the laws of the existing reality).
And there are other Star Wars. The Acolyte, is a legitimate part of the Star Wars franchise, specifically before Episode I happens. Along with the dark-alternate sequel trilogy featuring Rey (your choice to whether YOU want it canon or not, it's all in YOUR choice and own head canon that you make for yourself).
Disney and Lucasfilm have sacrificed time, management, and effort with their quality in writing, consistency, continuity, production and acting despite their current employments and workers, onto no such altar of w-word (they're not satanic worshippers for Christ's sake, they are just doing their job. If something's wrong or bothering them, they speak up, not be silenced).
Everyone whom have made select films become a success have come out from all over the world. Kathleen Kennedy has been a film producer and president of Lucasfilm (just a spokesperson who announces any projects, such as the ones that surprisingly sometimes stand out well, along with greenlighting selected projects to be turned into reality to be made to watch). Lucasfilm has worked hard for everything in your pretty face, ingest it down your beautiful liver, and never highly suspect an agenda, and always bringing a unique narrative that they’re proud of putting into these films and shows, but that they stand strong and create every one of their shows and movies (even if it's not supposed to be perfect like an Oscar-level or 5 Stars flick).
Perhaps they have continued believing in themselves, that men and women are exactly the same and interchangeable, or perhaps, even that women are infinitely superior to men, that they are capable of actually connecting to reality. But it's true! They're capable like men, they've always have been. It's only that they've been excluded in the past, this is for making it up to them, giving them their chance and time to shine. Who knows, maybe they'll have fans and appreciation just like men do.
Anyways, as stated, the objective, the truth is that they’re wanting to go beyond the vision of George Lucas, the fact is that Star Wars is George Lucas, and that George Lucas once was and will always forever will be, Star Wars. He had his vision (he can choose how he wants the story to be, whether it be canon or non-canon in books, comics, writings, etc.). He created a universe. He later then sold it because he chose to move on and support his family in life. At this point once you've sold your franchise to a buyer, the buyer can do whatever they want to do at this point. Even if the buyer turns your follow-up story into shreds, that doesn't mean you're forced to accept it, you yourself can change or create your own sequel trilogy or any other story of your own. It doesn't have to be canon or non-canon to you, that's up to you. Build and create a story that can be recognizable and liked upon by others who enjoy your tale and can call it by whatever you title it.
If you want to do something totally different, like the George Lucas vision of Star Wars (or his original idea of his sequel trilogy, btw look it up it's great too), then start a new franchise. Start from scratch, so that when you have a blank slate, you won’t have a huge fanbase from the past who are still against you. Maybe with some potential writing, there'll be a somewhat curious and interested bunch of fans who might tag along or join for the first time. Not including the tiny vocal negative minority that are being misogynistic, along with the tiny negative minority that enter random fandoms only to spread hate and discord, but to include the vast majority of both the massive fanbase for Star Wars, and for other franchises in Lucasfilm, and the general audience, who have enjoyed these films prior to and after the acquisition of LucasFilm by Disney.
The fans have every right to be critical. The fans have every right to voice, the criticisms, loud and strong. The executives, producers, directors, writers and Kathleen Kennedy herself, have power and a right to allow fans (but not toxic haters) to send their criticisms and issues to say whether if something is not working for them, then that will let the company know that they will have to change their strategies and methods so that they can make something that is agreeable to mostly everyone to every participating audience. We have freedom of speech for a reason. These people have power, a right and an ability to allow their fans for feedback and support, and also the ability to report and block haters and trolls.
And it isn’t just the fans that Disney has not alienated. Families throughout the United States are simply ignoring the blatant propaganda in these movies, because there is none. It's all just the usual science-fiction fantasy to families that doesn't relate to bigotry and outside current issues. It's fiction, not something to think far too deeply or seriously with negative thoughts. Parents know of parental guidance in movies, so it is common sense to tell your child what stuff means if they are confused (because adults are mature and know a lot, with their smart brains). The values that they want them to learn or relate to is up to the adults or children themselves if they want to live by them or just have a short temporary thought to forget later on. It is fine to explain the inside values or lessons just as long as it isn't told in the wrong way.
It is the place of Disney to produce high-quality, broadband, appealing entertainment. Both in its cinema productions, its television streaming programs, and in its theme park attractions. High-quality, nationwide or worldwide mass appeal entertainment that is completely free of any propaganda messages, welcomes any narratives (male and female or altogether), and does not intrude into or offend the rights of viewers.
“The Acolyte” has surprised fans AS A TRAILER ON UA-cam! I cannot wait to hear the massive appreciation that it will make, the exhilarating excitement that it will make, when the series itself is released and impacts the foundation for individual and multicultural acceptance. A foundation of thorough cinematic work and financial success built, brick by brick, greenlit by Kathleen Kennedy, and created by Leslye Hedland.
@@Sensor_BeamI am curious what movie you were watching, as it certainly was not the film “The Force Awakens” that I and so many others viewed.
I may have to deconstruct your somewhat odd reply over two or three replies of my own, due to reply length limitations.
The character of Rey did not, in fact, have a significant or particularly coherent character arc, and most definitely not a significant or coherent hero arc. Her life as a scavenger provided her rudimentary survival and fighting skills. The idea that she would simply develop significant fighting skills with her staff that translate into instant expertise with a light saber is ludicrous. At best, she would be a clear and present danger to herself and others
The character of Luke Skywalker trained for, according to the movies and established canon, four years or more under the tutelage of a superlative Jedi, developing considerable skill in both combat and use of the Force, and still had not completed the full training.
Rey picked up a light saber and became “Just The Bestest Ever!” instantly. Her “training”, such as it was, consisted of some conversations about The Force and its use, no significant active guidance or training, and then about a year of being “trained” to become a Jedi by Leia, who you apparently do not know was not and is not herself a Jedi and, despite being acknowledged as being Force sensitive, was not and is not qualified or capable of providing Jedi training.
Rey remains a poorly fleshed out character, who has nothing in the half-assed shred of a character arc given to her to support the skills and capabilities she exhibits. Realistically, both in terms of our reality and the internal “reality” of “Star Wars”.
Rey going up against a fully trained and combat experienced Sith and surviving, let alone defeating her opponent, is simply absurd, whether considered within the reality of our world, or within the fictional reality of the “Star Wars” universe created by George Lucas. We will consider it within the context of our reality.
Women are not capable like men. They never have been, and it has nothing to do with discrimination, or patriarchy, or misogyny, or any of the other emotionally based, reality denying feminist excuses. I am not a feminist. I have no respect for nor tolerance for feminism. It is an intrinsically and explicitly sexist and misandristic movement, one that has dropped even the pretense of seeking equality-that was achieved in 1963/1964 by the passage by a male Congress of legislation guaranteeing equal opportunity and equal pay for equal work, and the signing of that legislation into law by a male President, John F. Kennedy, and legislation in the early 1970s that eliminated the last vestiges of banking and credit access inequality-and now blatantly and militantly seek power, privilege, and advantage in both government and society as a whole, as well as pushing for “equity” instead of equality, equity being an inherently discriminatory concept straight out of the theories of Marxist communism, stripping the earnings and assets of the more productive and talented and “redistributing” what is taken to the less talented and the less productive. I am a humanist, which is focused upon promoting, among other things, equal respect for the genders, truly equal opportunity and not to extra considerations given to women over men in education and in business hiring, and equal pay for objectively equal work. (I am rather hoping that you will come back with the witless myth of the “discriminatory gender pay gap@, which has been refuted by numerous studies. I enjoy humiliating people who still attempt to promote that as being real, as the information refuting it is common knowledge, and people still claiming it exists are consciously lying.)
End of part one. Part two to follow.
@@Sensor_Beamlet’s begin part two:
In addition to being a humanist, I am a medical professional, medical/surgical specialist with knowledge of human anatomy and physiology, and a merciless insistence upon facts over feelings.
As stated in my part one post, women are not capable like men, and it has nothing to do with women being excluded in the past. Men and women are morally equal, equal in value as human beings, as persons, equal in intelligence (although the distribution of that intelligence is more polarized in men and is remarkably different in terms of focus and application between men and women), but in no other way. Human males and females evolved for very different roles. Their capabilities are not and never have been the same. They are not and never have been interchangeable.
Human male anatomy differs from from female anatomy in much more than just lack of developed breasts and differently structured genitalia.
Men have far more and far larger skeletal muscle fibers, and are as a result far stronger than women on average. No amount of exercise by women can overcome this disparity. Maximally physically develop the musculature of a man and a woman, and the man will be several orders of magnitude stronger than the woman.
The skeletal structure of human males exhibits several differences from the skeletal structures of human females. Those differences are very significant.
Human male skeletal anatomy evolved to adapt men to the roles and functions for which they evolved: hunting prey, very often much larger and stronger than humans, defending against predatory species, also often larger and stronger than humans, and engaging in combat with other humans, either to defend territory, resources, and tribal members, or to attack in order to ensure needed territory and resources. This is a large part of what human males evolved for.
Human female anatomy in large part evolved to conceive, carry, and bear young. Hip structure, leg structure, joint angles, etc., are remarkably different from those of males.
Brain anatomy is markedly different. The human male brain is 10% to 20% larger than the female brain. This does not translate into nor do I mean it to imply that men are as a consequence more intelligent. As stated before, the data shows quite definitively that men and women are, in general, equally intelligent. It does pertain to the different functions for which men and women evolved, however. There is some literature that shows that the corpus callosum, the tissue that connects the two hemispheres of the brain and permits communication between them, is thinner in men than in women, which would reduce that cross talk to some degree. Other literature, however, does not show that structural difference. In either case, the minds of men are as a consequence of differences in neuroanatomy and neurophysiology in general largely compartmentalized, like a building with separate and distinct “rooms” divided by “walls” and “doors”, while the minds of women are in general more like an open plan building, with different areas for different functions, and for the most part no distinct separation between areas. This is something of an oversimplification, but is essentially accurate. Both were and are essential for the success and survival of our species, and are equally valuable.
While men and women have an equal capacity for logic, reasoning, problem solving, spatial relationships, imagination, creativity, intuition, and emotion, as a consequence of differences in brain anatomy and physiology, men spend the vast majority of their lives in left brain dominant logic, reason, and problem solving, and are relatively disconnected from their emotions, while women in comparison are in both hemispheres at the same time, and spend the vast majority of their lives constantly immersed in their emotions. Even when experiencing emotions, men and women process their emotions very differently. Emotions play an integral role in nearly every aspect of their daily lives, while men have relatively little day to day use for emotions on a day to day basis, save those with utility for hunting, defense, and fighting: anger, fear, and aggression.
Men are in general many orders of magnitude more aggressive than women, while women are many orders of magnitude more agreeable than men. This, too, is a product of human evolution. None of these things are social constructs, and none of these things are opine to differences of opinion. They are purely facts of human biology.
Stand by for part three.
@@Sensor_Beampart three, here we go:
Fear not, this pertains to the “Star Wars” anti-sequel trilogy, and to the character Rey.
Consider the following scenarios:
An average man versus an average woman, each without martial arts training.
An average man versus an average woman, each with extensive martial arts training.
An average man versus an average woman, each without military training or experience.
An average man versus an average woman, each with military training and experience.
A maximally physically developed man versus a maximally physically developed woman, each without extensive martial arts training.
A maximally physically developed man versus a maximally physically developed woman, each with extensive martial arts training.
A maximally physically developed man versus a maximally physically developed woman, each without military training or experience.
A maximally physically developed man versus a maximally physically developed woman, each with military training and experience.
Each of the above sets engage in an all out, no-holds-barred fight. Each of the above sets represents an “apples to apples” comparison
In every one of those sets, the man will win, and in a very brief amount of time, mere minutes. In every one of those sets, whether the woman is merely bruised, seriously injured, or killed, will be entirely at the discretion of the man.
There have been real life match ups to prove it:
A championship professional mixed martial arts fighter fought against a middle-ranked amateur male mixed martial arts fighter. The male defeated her.
A well trained female Marine who bragged about her prowess, and that she could beat any man, went into the ring against one of her fellow male Marines. The male beat her down, putting her flat on the mat, in mere minutes, without difficulty.
In sports, the Williams sisters, top ranked at the height of their tennis careers, each played against an older middle ranked male tennis player in the decline of his career. He beat them both.
A professional women’s soccer team versus an amateur men’s soccer team. Victory: men’s team.
A top ranked men’s track athlete running against top ranked women’s take athletes. He did not merely beat them, he very nearly lapped them in the process.
Feminist commentators in, I believe, New Zealand (might have been Australia) pushed for a men versus women netball game, to prove that female athletes are every good as male athletes. A top ranked championship female team competed with a team comprised of teenaged young men. The young men mopped the court with them. The feminist commentators then criticized the young men for defeating the women’s team instead of either throwing the game or forfeiting, showing the lack of fairness, the disrespect for respect for men, the hypocrisy, and the lack of integrity that is characteristic of today’s iteration of feminism.
In the United States armed forces, soldiers had to be on frontline combat status in order to be eligible for promotion into the higher commissioned ranks. Feminists pushed for combat status for women claiming discrimination. The regulations changed and combat status was enacted for women. None applied. The big brass had to push women into accepting combat status. The women were unable to meet the combat fitness and combat readiness requirements. In order to enable the female soldiers to meet combat fitness and readiness requirements, the military branches had to cut them down for women, lowering them to just about one half of what men are required to meet, AND to give the females extra chances and modified conditions before the women were able to just barely squeak by. Even now, it is a low percentage of women in the military who seek combat readiness status.
Please note that there are women serving as combat pilots, helicopter and jet, and transport pilots, and they serve with distinction. It would appear, however, that all of the “stunning and brave, strong and independent” women want to be eligible for the privilege of promotion without limit, very few of them beyond the pilots are particularly willing to fulfill the responsibility to put their lives on the line that comes with that privilege, apparently preferring to leave the actual risk of death exclusively to men. And virtually none of them can meet the standards men must meet to have the same privilege. All of those are both long-standing traditions, biological realities of comparative physical capabilities, and are blatantly discriminatory-against men, by women.
I don’t have anything to add to this, but THIS, THIS is how you disagree in a comment section! Well-researched, nuanced arguments with multiple parts and examples. Good job both of you :)
FYI the quoted person multiple times in this video is called "The Critical Drinker". He's worth checking out to say the least.
The Critical Drinker is awesome! Funny and knows his stuff.
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he’s fake btw - he don’t actually believe anything he says
No he's not, he's a reactionary that cries like a baby any time a woman does anything cool in a show or movie. I used to like that dude, but he's become a self-parody of every sad sack that cries "woke" at literally anything that isn't a straight white dude being better than everyone else.
He’s very good… on some things. The only problem with the Drinker is that almost everything even containing a woman or a black man is now tainted by “The Message.” Which it isn’t. I understand his bitterness because of the constant slop we’ve been fed for the last 8 years, but he does go too far sometimes
Next disney movie: Aliens without aliens, "what a great idea" lol
“The Last Jeddee” - Moon 2024
You can't expect an Englishman to speak English correctly.
Marvel fans have been begging for a Black Widow movie ever since the first Avengers, and when it finally came out, it was a hot steaming pile of dogshit and we were called sexist for not liking it...
Stop fucking capping it was a good ass movie and if you prolly hated it cause you felt emasculated
The cgi was 2 dollars 😂@@jorgelujlrcn
The story eas good, but taskmaster should have been a guy in my opinion. Nothing sexist, its just that he is a guy in every single other iteration of him. Also the cgi was awful in that one airplane scene@@jorgelujlrcn
@@jorgelujlrcnCry about it wokey
Only ever success for a female main character role was in Rogue One. She wasn't strong because she was a woman, but of who her character was.
As far as I'm concerned, Star Wars ended with "Return of the Jedi".
As far as I’m concerned, you’re an idiot for hating the Prequels.
@@achaudhari101 The Revenge of the Sith is the only good one
@@cake5992 And Empire Strikes Back and Rogue One.
Voice cuts are from THE CRITICAL DRINKER videos if someone is interested
it's not about success, it's about cultural programming.
I called out the first Disney SW movie right when I walked out of the cinema. Never touched anything Disney SW ever since. It was 100% clear where this trainwreck was going from EP7 onward.
Agree
Give Andor a try. It checks all that shit at the door where it belongs.
@@gosnooky SW should have went with the expanded universe of the books to progress. It feels repetitive and uninspired at this point, exhausted. With SF like "The Expanse" and stuff it is no longer needed either.
Series some of them are good, I personally Like Andor and the Mandalorian
Andor is an example of a decent script, good character (and a woman, BTW). But unfortunately it is the ONLY example of this. EP7 could have a good Rey character, but the story is so absurd that any effort of the poor actress goes wasted. Then it is all downhill
"Sweet baby ink" is probably the nickname of the goo they liquefy children into before they absorb their essence. Lol
Perfect examples of strong female characters are every female lead in Studio Ghibli films.
Sophie, Arriety, Chihiro, Kiki, San, and Umi are phenomenal characters who demonstrate a wide range of traits, from bravery, compassion, resilience, ambition, integrity, and love. All of those traits are both feminine and masculine when applied correctly to characters that have depth, relate to the audience, and have something to root for. Women (and men) aren't necessarily bound to traits generally seen as feminine or masculine. Forcing masculinity into a female character because it drives the plot is totally different than the woman becoming (or is) masculine based on circumstances that develop the character.
Changing genres: an example of that is Sadie Adler. We find her as this helpless woman whose husband was murdered before her eyes and how she was abused by the Driscolls. Two chapters later, we see her evolve into a dependent woman with a progressing story arc of seeking street justice for her husband. Her "girl boss" felt evolved based on the circumstances that developed her as a character. If Saddie were immediately overbearing or overstrengthed, we wouldn't believe her progress as much as we do. Same with the Ghibli female protagonists.
Disney, make a compelling story, not an agenda you wish to be accepted by an audience seeking entertainment.
You know it’s serious when moon makes a video on it.
in a few years our kids will be calling star wars "the gay people show"
This hurts my souls so much. Having grown with the original Star Wars trilogy, and having seen the prequels in my teens, the franchise always had a special place in my heart, but boy oh boy did it went downhill, this is what truly saddens me to a point of no return. Kids in a couple of decades will really perceive Star Wars as a poorly written, embarassing LGBT propaganda sh*t. What a goddamn shame...
In few years i hope this s@€it dies and maybe SW will go public domain or something. And my kids will watch OT and Prequels plus CW. Thats it.
Perhaps just life at your house?
I didn't mind ruining Star Wars if it drains you chuds of your delicious tears 🤣🤣🤣
Not like the old ones have disappeared. It reminds me of how in the 90s Kurt Cobain was intentionally trying to change and sabotage his music because he started attracting fans kinda a lot like you.
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It's not lgtv propaganda. Just because it's liberal doesn't mean it's gay. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You need anger management classes my dude.
There are literally no gay people in this franchise. I got no idea what you're talking about. The only gay relationship I've seen in all of star wars are two lezbians in the new show Andor. And it's not even official or explicit. Like they haven't even kissed yet they're just teasing it till the reveal.
Look, even the Mandalorian had main badass female characters, the Armorer, Bo Katan etc. But it was written EXTREMELY well.
In the words of Mark Hamill: " The problem isn't the fact that the main character is a woman, its because that's all they did."
Wake up Disney.
This is true. When I watched The Rise of Skywalker in the cinema, I came from the experience laughing at the film. It is also the film which broke me, watching films, after a decade of media studies, it ended after that film and I haven't returned the cinema since.
I second that. I used to look forward to seeing a new film - either big studio or indie - with a growing surge of excitement. Ever since "The Rise of Skywalker," filmgoing seems to be more of a slog. Whenever my wife or a friend suggests we see a film, my first thought is "Dear god, I should just say no!" Add to the fact that no filmmaker seems to be able to make a film with a running time between 90 minutes to 2 hours. Filmgoing is no longer fun. I'd sooner vacuum the floor or wash the dishes than see another Marvel movie or a 3 1/2 hour Scorsese epic.
I was young when i realized that star wars wasnt what the fans made it seem. I didnt need critics to point it out the flaws. What it was for me was all the people calling me a loser for even watching the series and actually looking at it from another angle to see that only a couple of the movies were good and most of the good stuff came from the games and "books"
Me too man. Use to go the the theater all the time, even alone to catch some films. Now with all this and covid, I fucking hate Hollywood
I walked out of Rise of Skywalker when they attacked that Star Destroyer on horseback. It was only the second movie I've ever walked out on. Unwatchable garbage. I'm not even going to give Acolyte a hatewatch because there's absolutely no way it won't be garbage, too.
Well, personally I think that some movies are worth watching in cinema such as Dune (both parts)
Hollywood in general has majorly contributed to us now having a generation of people who are used to crying until they get what they want, instead of actually doing anything for themselves.
Didnt you see, it worked for Jedi girl and she beat Luke with no training! Screaming and never taking accountability is how you get things done in this world. Girl power!
Ah yes, generalizing an entire generation because of politics. How impartial of you.
We don't work hard? LOL. Because of the massive screw-ups of previous generations, we have to work 10x as hard just to have the same basic necessities. Spoken like a true polarized American.
@@davidmays8974 While I completely understand where you're coming from, being Gen Z and all, you'd be lying to yourself if you didn't admit Millenials and (the large majority of) Gen Z aren't self-entitled lazy narcissists that want everything handed to them. Yeah, it's 10x harder to create the same life Boomers could have off 3 pennies and firm hand shake, the options we do have are still not being taken seriously because no one wants to do that work. It's complicated, but you can't blame the political/economic state on the laziness of newer generations. We have so many tools at our disposal. If we took 100k Gen Z back in time
@@nervonabliss Gen Z Women*** i legit never seen gen z men acting like this.
@@xletzyy Can't argue with that
also i love how disney thinks they're being so helpful and empowering by having minority characters in a film set WAYYYYY into the future where people are probably more worried about staying alive than the race/gender/sexuality of a character? Just saying, ya know.
The female characters in Stranger Things are good examples of strong female characters done right imo
I predicted this way back in 2019. They told nerds and fans that they hated us right from the get go. I knew, however, that the day would come when "the normies", the folks who are responsible for providing the lion's share of film revenue, would grow sick and tired of propaganda and all of the rest of the bile that comes with girl boss movies. In mid to late 2023, the chickens came home to roost.
cope.
The chickens (audience) has finally grown wings and claws. Now its time to strike and shred the propaganda once and for all
Way back huh?😅
It's not propaganda it's just poorly written crap with some politics in it cause the creators are biased.
People gotta stop using these words so lightly. They've lost all meaning.
11:46 I’m still trying to figure out how they had a child
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I'd even go so far as to say that from the Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad universes, Kim Wexler and Skyler White are both "girl bosses" (though it feels kind of demeaning to refer to them as such). They're both incredibly strong female characters with strong personalities and morals, and very clear goals in mind. Their genders are never really brought up at all. They're written very organically. They don't try to raise themselves up by trampling over other characters. Like you can have a "girl boss" character, just don't write them at the expense of everyone else and make their evolution believable.
disney squandering the potential of the star wars universe is what pisses me off more than anything. so many storylines we could cover, the warlord era, the yuuzhong vong war, the tales of the old republic and so many others that could even result in more people being drawn into the star wars franchise. instead we get this
When your company's reaction to learning consumers hate your product, is to blame your customer base and then make even more - your company is headin' for Chapter Seven.
"How many times do we gotta teach you this lesson, old men??!"
Amazing that the best recent star wars product is Andor, a simple plot about a man just trying to find his sister
The last jedi was the last time I went to the cinema! No way Im paying that much to wish I was anywhere else for 2 hours ever again when I can watch it for free online and delete it after 10 minutes if it bores me. Turns out all these years later it was an excellent decision, 95% of what Is made now is enough to drive a man to rather clean his house instead....
I’m much more interested in the tawdry tale of how leslye headland got this job in first place
Wonder how many women she helped Weinstein exploit..
So sick of seeing morally void, power obsessed people like this be celebrated
It’s really hard to see her as anything but pure evil because of her being a former assistant to that monster. There is no way in hell she didn’t know and there is no way she didn’t help cover all of his shit up.
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 exactly. I suspect she’s just a mini kk and this is exactly how her mysteriously ongoing power is explained as is what utter cucks formerly great men like Lucas, Spielberg, etc all likely are as I’d bet they went to a certain island
Only good girl boss for me is Mako Mori from Pacific Rim. When they killed her off in spin off. They destroyed the best part.
What spin-off?
Was she a grilboss? Sure she piloted a kaiju sized mech but she had to overcome her past and fact she lost her parents and person who adopted her later. Plus she nearly died by the end. So she is more of a well writen woman character than a girlboss
What spinoff?
First it wasn’t a spin off and second It was a sequel called Pacific Rim uprising.
@@ichigokurosaki7505 Pacific rim uprising? Never heard of it.
Probably fake…..
As someone who went to the sequal movies, i can say that i will never again ever pay a dime for anything Star Wars related, i haven't seen the Han Solo movie, except for the fight between Obi Wan and Vader i was severely disappointed in the Obi Wan series, the Boba Fett series was a complete disaster, Andor was good though, The Mandalorian is a pile of garbage now and i wish i never saw the latest season and even though Ahsoka is one of my favorite characters, i haven't even seen that series. I kinda watch the series in the hope it would get better and for some time it was, but not anymore, i'm done with this franchise, can't even consider anything Disney made as canon.
CEOs and upper management can bully their employees with no problems… However, you cannot bully a customer when it comes to entertainment…
All it takes is 20 seconds of the trailer to know everything you need to know about the film.
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I worry that the Acolyte is going to double-down on the girl boss trope that they've decided must be included in every Star Wars movie. You didn't mention Ahsoka in your review and for good reason because Disney did a very good job of developing all the women characters in Ahsoka. Their motivations were clear, they made mistakes, and their characters developed more in 8 episodes than Rey's did in 3 movies. Ahsoka wasn't perfect and there are things about it I don't like but you can't say that they fell into the "Girl-Boss" trope. They even gave us some great male characters!
Moon blessed us with another upload
George Lucas, the ‘father’ of _Star Wars,_ supported Bob Iger, and that was the final nail in the coffin. Star Wars has long been dead, but it was only now the most hardcore fans has accepted it’s demise and have begun to move on.
7:51 - "Characters with actual potential." - Shows Rose, the winner of Make a Wish foundation kid who wanted to be in Star Wars.
A series exploring a female sith acolyte going through training and finding her way through the galaxy wiuld legit be interesting. But I know the ideological feminists in charge, it's going to suck.
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We can always have hope. We got stuff like Andor and Rogue one, it's still possible. Is kathleen on this project?
@@davidmays8974Yes. This is actually a project she majorly pushed for.
Angelina Jolie was an overpowered girl boss in a movie called Salt from 2010. This movement has been going for a while now.
Seriously, women need to know their place in movies. We need more men like Arnold taking out an entire army by himself ("Commando") or Tom Cruise playing the exact same character (ie- "the Savior") like he does in every movie. Or Expendables 12.
The movie should’ve been called “Sodium Chloride”
@@syzee8282We get it. You hate women.
They've doubled down on "the message" over and over again. If you're still around to notice, you're part of the problem.
"I bypassed the compressor" was one of the cringiest moments ever, wanted to punch the screen.