I think I get it now. I like it when people come and visit while they've doing a shot because it makes LTT feel more 'alive'. It's more like a real work space, where if you're doing something cool, people wander over and want to check out what's going on. Of course it's also that you get perspectives that you'd normally not see about a product, such as when Mr. Horst provides an opinion. I think it's great that LTT has gotten big enough where these kinds of things can happen organically.
@@emptywig Ha, yeah. I've commented to this effect before, but just mentioned that "I thought it was cool". While watching this video, I had this little eureka moment and the 'why' seemed to crystallize for me. I then felt the need to comment and share :)
LTT start their work in the kitchen in the real home back then, and they still keeping this kind of homy feeling in their current video. really appreciate it
Thanks for featuring AM AFA! Just would like to add that you can further increase the hardness through AM AFA's 18 different typing combos. Aside from adjusting the 3 gears from soft to hard, rebound stiffness can be adjusted by switching between the two different leaf-spring materials: phosphorus copper and stainless steel. In addition, conventional adjustment solutions, such as two sets of adjustment pads and an additional set of bottom pads, are also provided for mixing and matching. * You can choose between three (0/1/3) pad hardness options. The firmest feel can be achieved through adding all the pads. Removing all the pads results in the softest feel and touch.
YES, THE 'B' KEY IS ON BOTH SIDES! That alone is worth the price tag! [EDIT: Apparently that's standard for the "Alice Layout," so I've now found my perfect split keyboard layout] SO many split keyboard layouts just assume you type 'B' with your left hand, which makes us right-hand-B-typists very nervous when typing the word "bigger." ALL split keyboards should have the 'B' key on both sides!
The double B on split only works with staggered row like Alice. When you go ortho, putting an extra B key on the right doesn't make sense (and you probably don't type B with right hand if you familiar with ortho anyway). This is because on staggered row, the B key is in the middle of both hand, but on ortho, it is on the left side.
Hotswap is to allow for a board to be built without the need to solder, or buy the tools to solder. It should be the norm to fully disassemble the board to replace switches. It is a REALLY good idea to support the hot swap socket on the back of the PCB when you insert switches to prevent a switches being inserted with a bent pin from ripping off the socket.
Yeah it is definitely ridiculous for him to say that you'd have to take apart the board to swap switches. It really looks bad when the 'keyboard guy' at LTT makes things like this appear different than they actually are, as channel is many peoples first introduction to high-end keebs.
I thought the flex would be take a screw out of the bottom (old setting) and screw it into another. Seeing that it was a total disassemble to move a thing seems too hard.
Plouffe has taught me a lot about keyboards, and I feel like I'm a better consumer for it. Not sure if I'm ready to make my own, but I don't feel the idea is stupid anymore
my next keyboard is going to be hand built by me, and be hot swappable on everything just in case. I dont really like most keyboards that are prebuilt, and I dont like alot of their 'features' so I would rather just build it all myself.
@@MostafaElSakari to an extent its cool/usefull, anything more than a standard form factor hotswap keyboard is stupid. most of these keyboards don't even have software, I was supprised this one did, I have personally wasted lots of time looking and trying these things, I ended up using the nzxt function keyboard over the dozens I have, it just works and has usable software. lots of people buy those stupid curly cables, stress over the foam inserts they put between the PCB and the case, some even refuse to use hotswap and solder the switch AND led in
back in my days keyboard flex was a bad thing and we went out of our way to mount the switches through solid plates of steel , now people pay extra to have foam or extra springs :D
To be fair, while the board in my keyboard is floating on gaskets and wrapped in foam, it's also got a solid metal plate across it lol flex is bad, cushioning the whole plate is pretty nice (but usually expensive and not at all necessary)
@@helplmchoking but that cushioning is a weird solution to whatever it improves, how about putting the whole keyboard on a soft mat instead? :D or why don't we simply make softer-bottoming switches ( silent cherry style?)
@@nickiebanchou that works too. It's mainly to reduce hollow or rattly noises, that kinda tapping sound. I'm not an expert, there are people way more into this stuff than I am, but it does mute a lot of the higher sounding sounds. You definitely don't want the board flexing imo, just damping vibrations
Just like the rest of the crew gets to show us some of the crazier top end stuff from other genres of tech I'm so glad we get to see stuff from the keyboard community as well. This board def seemed to live up to it's premium price providing unique build, engineering, and aesthetics.
Seems to me you could just have a couple set screws (with rubber pad on the end) coming up from the bottom that you could tighten to come up against the bottom of the leaf spring. Same adjustment, no disassembly required.
LOVE Alice layouts. Got one r/n from SneakBox keyboards and I love it - but due to being overseas, I had to pay around $550 for it with the shipping and over $100 in import fees. But if you're in the U.S. or Canada it'd be a great mid-range option.
This is definitely a way to get into the alice style keyboard, a very expensive way but at least it's a way someone can get into it without any custom keyboard knowledge. You can definitely get into ergo boards a lot cheaper, but it doesn't get much easier than plug and play.
Hey wait that's Arisu, not Alice. Arisu has arrows, Alice is 60%. Not gonna lie, though. I'm kinda eyeing that Dark Night colorway. I don't love RGB, but a set of GMK Dark keycaps on that would look so good. Already love AVA, too, so that layout with BLE would be kinda dope.
Horst really annoys the shit outta me lol. The way he just walks into the video to poke things and then walk off. Plouffe is great though. Super down to earth
well, technically the VF-19 wasn't in the Robotech series, but I get what you mean 😌 I was honestly surprised when I saw the VF-19 color scheme, and thought "is it actually inspired by the YF-19 valkyrie from Macross or just a weird coincident?"
With every Plouff custom keyboard video I care less and less about custom keyboards. Keep putting him in the thumbnail though, it makes it easy to know what videos aren't worth watching.
The price isn't *that* outrageous for a small batch custom job like this, in the custom keyboard world at least it wouldn't be out of place in the $1000+ ballpark. It's an expensive hobby with very little economy of scale, prices get very high very fast.
I have no idea what this costs them but including all the extra parts, having a unique mounting system, fully custom parts across the board, etc. They seem to be throwing everything they can in to make the price hurt less.
As a person who has bought keyboards like this before, a lot of the sound comes from various foam inserts put inside the keyboard as well as the adjustable leaf spring. The switches help if they are smooth, but you need a nice keyboard for it to sound like that.
Ohhhh that thing sounds so good. -edit- Of course, short circuit again super late releasing their review. This thing has been sold out for *months*. Yet another impossible to acquire keyboard, oh well.
I am a little confused at flexible keyboards. Like, when a laptop has a keyboard that's flexible, it is considered bad, as in under-engineered. But on mech keyboards, people are willing to pay extra for an over-engineered system that achieves the same thing? It is kinda wild that we have double standards for a phenomenon that affects the same piece of equipment depending on whether it is a full pc or a separate piece of hardware.
That's a really nice layout, it took me a while to get used to a split layout when I used one years ago but you do get used to it fast. I'd consider one of these but the design is a bit much, you know it'll be mad expensive, and they look sold out. But the biggest thing for me is I've gotten really used to low profile mech keys going from Keychron's optical low profile switches (which I remain unsure of, I think it's their crappy ABS caps that let it down) and now my main NuPhy Air75, which was more pricey but the keycaps are great which mattters since there are so few options, and it has standard red low profiles. I'd never be the one to spend like $300+ on a keyboard like some people will do (I know, at that level you're more supporting independent artists than buying a tool) but if you work or spend a lot of time using a computer every day, it's worth making sure your tools feel great to use. Maybe that's a wild split mech board, maybe it's a super slim Apple keyboard, but don't settle for the $20 garbage offices have stacked in the back room. They suck
If you want an alice style board (like the one in the video) with low profile switches and arent afraid of soldering it yourself, you could look into sesame 60 ergo or basketweave s ergo and some redragon lowprofile mx switches. All of those components go for relatively cheap
Are we not going to talk about the elephant in the room? It really sounds like you're typing on a marble stone keyboard, does it feel solid? This typing sound, really is something else
Seems strange that on laptops the goal is always zero deck flex and 100% rigidity, but here the main selling point is that it has significant flex and that having flex is desirable.
Ya know, I was thinking, "Huh, that's kind of like the VF-19's wings. The orange is odd though." Seeing their inspiration was the VF-19 though, funny stuff. >) But yeah, hard pass on this keyboard. Price is absurd for a keyboard, but that aside, disassembly of the keyboard looks like a huge pain in the ass. Having to completely unscrew it to replace the leaf springs is unrealistic if it's a key feature. It should be the easiest thing to do, like swapping weights into/out of a mouse. I'm happier to hand wire my own keyboard for under $100, including 3D printing my own shell and key matrix (3D printer not included in price, I got it for other projects).
I'm really glad I can type and play games using just about any kind of keyboard so I never feel like I need to buy a keyboard that costs hundreds of dollars.
So, it's not cool when a keyboard flexes because it feels mushy, but it is ok to intentionally flex the whole assembly? These keyboard people is just nuts...
I like that they included wrist skates. I know they're seen as an atypical wrist rest, but they honestly become something you can't live without after using them at a kitted out workstation. If you've ever had multiple peripherals, you'll quickly understand their usefulness. My production setup is a macropad, a space mouse, a 60%, a pointing device (I occasionally switch between a mouse and a trackball depending on how I'm feeling, I might add a trackpad into rotation), and a second macropad that spends most of its time as a numpad with a navigation cluster. Rather than having a wrist rest for each of them, using wrist skates is so much easier and provides less clutter, plus it requires less effort to just horizontally slide your wrists, rather than constantly pick them up and set them down when you move to a different peripheral; though I assume if you have _very_ thin peripherals and a plushy deskmat, this could suffice as an alternative. Personally, I don't understand the wireless charger on this. If you need a charger at all, wired or wireless, you're going to have a cable on standby anyways, and a wireless charger here would just add a charging pad on standby as well. It also looks as if the pad, unless you want to constantly plug and unplug it, only has access via the sides. Unless you have a deskmat that has full-array wireless, like some mousepads do, or you have a powerful enough charger mounted under the desk surface, I don't see the point; and even then you're using a vastly more inefficient method of wireless charging, full array, unless assisted by processing and detection (which I don't believe any consumer product is currently using), loses efficiency across the full array, and under-surface chargers lose efficiency due to needing penetration. So again, what's the point? It seems like a throwaway feature to increase cost, a coil module that costs pennies being marked up to justify the pricetag for some people; the whole 'wireless charging is a premium' mentality. I also don't understand the leafspring at all. It's just glorified board flex. I can understand it if you have a heavy hand and are absolutely bashing keyswitches, but don't necessarily want a heavier actuation spring; but at the same time, keyswitches should be offering dual-rate springs for this exact type of person, or at least offer an extremely non-linear spring where the weight shoots up before bottoming out. Which leads into why I actually don't understand the leaf spring design, the dual-rate implementation, the leaf spring really only works for a specific keyswitch weight, a lighter or heavier keyswitch will modify how the leaf spring is intended to work. Unless the leaf spring is meant to be stiff enough where the key fully bottoms out far before the leaf actuates, but then that's just horrendous design from an engineering perspective. It's just an odd system that doesn't make sense on one hand and doesn't make sense on the other hand, and fits a niche that has better hypothetical alternatives, though those alternatives are fairly custom within the current market. I would also imagine, depending on actual implementation, that this design style could also make a mech switch feel like a membrane, of which we already have mech-membrane switches from various vendors, so again there's already some alternatives on one side of the coin, while the other has hypothetical custom alternatives. Again, like the wireless charger, where does this ultimately make sense? Again, is it a weird implementation just to spike the price where most people buying into this will just see it as a 'premium' feature without additional logical thought? Again, this is for the niche market where you need day-long typing endurance _and_ for someone with a heavy hand, but a proper non-linear spring or dual-rate spring within the switch itself would fix this, or moving to a membrane where everything is squishy and gives (there's a reason why membranes are found throughout offices, and cost isn't the only factor), this specific keyboard really has no place for the niche it seeks to fill because it's going about its implementation improperly, and at a very expensive cost. "There needs to be a fourth option where there's basically zero flex and then I would see some value in it, but as for right now I just don't like the leaf spring," accurately points out the issues I'm describing, bad implementation of a dual-rate system, as a proper dual-rate, or again even a non-linear spring that gets weightier after actuation without bottoming out, would be so much better than this keyboard. To further the previous, this thing looks like a pain in the ass to deal with. Not just from an adjustability perspective, but from manufacturability. Such a large bill of materials, such a complex assembly process, and for what? There's better ways of doing exactly this, don't let the poor design fool you, but again just _why_ when there's much better alternatives? The price could easily be half to a third, possibly even less, if they just cut the bullshit and use a proper implementation of the concept, most of that savings coming directly from cutting down bill of materials and manufacturing processes. At the end of the day, this is just an overpriced gimmick product. Sure, the basis of it might be nice, but the selling point makes it a gimmick. I also don't care for the layout all that much. But this is a complaint about a lot of layouts, so I won't really get into layouts specifically. But I will say the left hand left side nav+del column is a bit odd, especially with its spacing, nav should be a right hand pinky column, where the left pinky gets a macro column. Similarly, I don't care for the space row, modifiers on the left, fn and arrows on the right, with a distant right shift just is not a good layout at all, plus the open space (though I understand this, an odd shaped key would be needed) is lackluster. The layout, while a complete alpha cluster, just doesn't live up to fuller potential, and this keyboard in particular doesn't, especially within its own footprint. There could be more, but there isn't. Though I do somewhat like the center module idea. Though for other reasons. Imagine using this as a proper monitor for wireless split layouts, individual battery monitors, moving on/off LEDs such as num and caps locks to this module, other possibilities could be adding additional modules (circling back to main keyboard with additional pads, as stated earlier), etc. You could probably also throw in other wireless peripherals into this ecosystem, pointing devices, audio, controllers, etc., and make this module a one-wire wireless hub for everything. Imagine also being able to store all of your profiles on it as well, QMK profiles per device, audio setups, individual controller mappings (big plus if Steam Input API had a lower-level integration with it) per individual controller, etc. One could build an entire open ecosystem around a central module and offload so much work from the host system, not to mention it'd all be fairly simplistic and streamlined as well, and all it does is sit under your monitor and acts as a peripheral control center; but not just this, say you upgrade to a new system entirely, or you move a setup between a home and work environment, etc., because everything within the peripheral ecosystem functions off the module, and the module keeps all profiles on-board, you can just take the module with you and not have to do additional setup on other systems.
you know i know it might sound like heressy to some but having the alice layout spaced out a bit seems like a lovely idea :3 actually want one just to ... give it a go
Keychron also has the Q10, a 75% Alice board with the Function row. I do have to admit the AM AHA is a very tempting board, but it's not "3 times the price" compared to Keychron. Even kitted out with Box Navy switches and the Cerakey ceramic keycaps my Q10 is still cheaper than anything from Angry Miao.
Still looking for a good mechanical keyboard with a small LCD readout (for cpu/ram usage stats like my classic G15), and a programmable slider or knob for photo and video editing (like the Asus ProArt Studiobook).
you know someone is a professional tech reviewer when they complain about packaging. like who could possibly care about a little piece of plastic except someone who deals with packaging every day
I really like old school clicky keyboards circa late 80s early 90s, would the UK Matias Tactile Pro for PC be a good fit ? It's not cheap , but not exactly expensive at £120? thought ?
The more that I have been looking at mechanical keyboards lately I've realized what I want is a matching set of a 60% but with the top function keys, a unit that is just the navigation buttons (arrows, home, end, etc) and then a numpad unit. If anybody knows of something like that I could do for less then $250 CAD let me know.
I had no idea that this specific config was called Alice Keyboards These are really the only keyboards I can use with my hands so I am glad to see something like this but holy crap is that reallly out of my price range
@@skystrobe3325 I would figure people outside the hobby hardly know the EM7 existed. But TGR Alice is quite well known since Natha Kim daily drove it for some time.
Bell is like me, at work I have no time for BS funny guy time, let's get the work done fast so I can get out of there, go home, and be funny guy time at home 🤣
I think I get it now. I like it when people come and visit while they've doing a shot because it makes LTT feel more 'alive'. It's more like a real work space, where if you're doing something cool, people wander over and want to check out what's going on.
Of course it's also that you get perspectives that you'd normally not see about a product, such as when Mr. Horst provides an opinion. I think it's great that LTT has gotten big enough where these kinds of things can happen organically.
This. Well said. I like the more organic-feeling videos, too.
@@emptywig Ha, yeah. I've commented to this effect before, but just mentioned that "I thought it was cool". While watching this video, I had this little eureka moment and the 'why' seemed to crystallize for me. I then felt the need to comment and share :)
Organically 🤣
LTT start their work in the kitchen in the real home back then, and they still keeping this kind of homy feeling in their current video. really appreciate it
ala the office
Thanks for featuring AM AFA!
Just would like to add that you can further increase the hardness through AM AFA's 18 different typing combos. Aside from adjusting the 3 gears from soft to hard, rebound stiffness can be adjusted by switching between the two different leaf-spring materials: phosphorus copper and stainless steel. In addition, conventional adjustment solutions, such as two sets of adjustment pads and an additional set of bottom pads, are also provided for mixing and matching.
* You can choose between three (0/1/3) pad hardness options.
The firmest feel can be achieved through adding all the pads. Removing all the pads results in the softest feel and touch.
Just (re)watched both Angry Miao keyboard videos...
I'm so addicted to the typing sound... It's insanely satisfying!
@@vanish85 Thank you. Glad you enjoy it.
decrease prices so we can afford
YES, THE 'B' KEY IS ON BOTH SIDES! That alone is worth the price tag! [EDIT: Apparently that's standard for the "Alice Layout," so I've now found my perfect split keyboard layout] SO many split keyboard layouts just assume you type 'B' with your left hand, which makes us right-hand-B-typists very nervous when typing the word "bigger." ALL split keyboards should have the 'B' key on both sides!
I wish more companies would make split keyboards with ortho-linear key layouts.
I feel like most don't have it, so it is great. I am not entirely sure which hand I use, I think I switch, but it should be on both sides anyway
I never thought about danger if a split keyboard and the hitting the N instead of the B. Danger zone!
The double B on split only works with staggered row like Alice. When you go ortho, putting an extra B key on the right doesn't make sense (and you probably don't type B with right hand if you familiar with ortho anyway).
This is because on staggered row, the B key is in the middle of both hand, but on ortho, it is on the left side.
I switch around the n and b keys on coworkers workstations just to keep that mistake from happening to folks like you.
Hotswap is to allow for a board to be built without the need to solder, or buy the tools to solder. It should be the norm to fully disassemble the board to replace switches. It is a REALLY good idea to support the hot swap socket on the back of the PCB when you insert switches to prevent a switches being inserted with a bent pin from ripping off the socket.
thank you for answering my question before i even got to post it
Yeah it is definitely ridiculous for him to say that you'd have to take apart the board to swap switches. It really looks bad when the 'keyboard guy' at LTT makes things like this appear different than they actually are, as channel is many peoples first introduction to high-end keebs.
I thought the flex would be take a screw out of the bottom (old setting) and screw it into another. Seeing that it was a total disassemble to move a thing seems too hard.
The key sound is god tier
Plouffe has taught me a lot about keyboards, and I feel like I'm a better consumer for it. Not sure if I'm ready to make my own, but I don't feel the idea is stupid anymore
Hit me up with a reply here if you have literally any questions. It's a great hobby that directly benefits you if you're on your computer a lot.
No offense but it’s pretty stupid
my next keyboard is going to be hand built by me, and be hot swappable on everything just in case. I dont really like most keyboards that are prebuilt, and I dont like alot of their 'features' so I would rather just build it all myself.
@@MostafaElSakari to an extent its cool/usefull, anything more than a standard form factor hotswap keyboard is stupid. most of these keyboards don't even have software, I was supprised this one did, I have personally wasted lots of time looking and trying these things, I ended up using the nzxt function keyboard over the dozens I have, it just works and has usable software.
lots of people buy those stupid curly cables, stress over the foam inserts they put between the PCB and the case, some even refuse to use hotswap and solder the switch AND led in
@@anthonyschlessman1848 exactly
I love that Jonathan is just roaming around the shortcircuit set all the time
back in my days keyboard flex was a bad thing and we went out of our way to mount the switches through solid plates of steel , now people pay extra to have foam or extra springs :D
To be fair, while the board in my keyboard is floating on gaskets and wrapped in foam, it's also got a solid metal plate across it lol flex is bad, cushioning the whole plate is pretty nice (but usually expensive and not at all necessary)
@@helplmchoking I could kill a man with my keyboard, beat the body unrecognizable, and still be able to type on it later.
@@alidan #selfincriminatingcomments
@@helplmchoking but that cushioning is a weird solution to whatever it improves, how about putting the whole keyboard on a soft mat instead? :D
or why don't we simply make softer-bottoming switches ( silent cherry style?)
@@nickiebanchou that works too. It's mainly to reduce hollow or rattly noises, that kinda tapping sound. I'm not an expert, there are people way more into this stuff than I am, but it does mute a lot of the higher sounding sounds.
You definitely don't want the board flexing imo, just damping vibrations
Just like the rest of the crew gets to show us some of the crazier top end stuff from other genres of tech I'm so glad we get to see stuff from the keyboard community as well.
This board def seemed to live up to it's premium price providing unique build, engineering, and aesthetics.
Seems to me you could just have a couple set screws (with rubber pad on the end) coming up from the bottom that you could tighten to come up against the bottom of the leaf spring. Same adjustment, no disassembly required.
Yes but with the three gears and 6 pads, ppl can customize a more specific typing feel of their own.
Wait, deck flex is a feature now?
Fuck yeah!!! Really super glad to see prices, thanks again LMG!
That middle part of the keyboard looks like it's about to eject me into space
Strange, I had just discovered there website today and really like the charging desk mat. Would love to see that reviewed
+Robert Beech
they do it already : go watch Angry Miao Hatsu Ergo Keyboard
@@jumpman120 Awesome, missed that one. Thanks
oh the fly fighter anime... looking forward for vf-21
edit:theres 3 way mode since the jet can changes 3 form too nice... nice design there
If this keyboard get wings it will go great with KFC console
LOVE Alice layouts. Got one r/n from SneakBox keyboards and I love it - but due to being overseas, I had to pay around $550 for it with the shipping and over $100 in import fees.
But if you're in the U.S. or Canada it'd be a great mid-range option.
Found one
Alex: Keyboard flex bad
Plouffe: Hold my beer
more reasons to never trust keyb nerds
This is definitely a way to get into the alice style keyboard, a very expensive way but at least it's a way someone can get into it without any custom keyboard knowledge. You can definitely get into ergo boards a lot cheaper, but it doesn't get much easier than plug and play.
Keychron has 2 alice keyboards (Q8 and Q10) that can be plug and play for much less.
@@ethansiew61 this
dont bother with angry miao unless you just really love the design
Hey wait that's Arisu, not Alice. Arisu has arrows, Alice is 60%.
Not gonna lie, though. I'm kinda eyeing that Dark Night colorway. I don't love RGB, but a set of GMK Dark keycaps on that would look so good. Already love AVA, too, so that layout with BLE would be kinda dope.
Plouffe: "I can't justify spending this much on this keyboard."
My dumbass: "YOOOOO THEY HAVE A VF-19 DESIGN!? SOLD!!! TAKE MY DAMN MONEY!!!!!"
Bell is an amazing producer. Love him!
This is an exciting KB for me - I've been looking for a split-key, ergo, chiclet-style, RGB KB for years. Very nice!
It sounds amazing
"Mr. President! Please enter your Nuclear Codes and Fingerprint!"
*opens case*
"Nevermind..."
@6:52 first thing i thought of was "yay a built in keylogger"
I freaking love Nicholas’s crazy keyboard videos
Horst really annoys the shit outta me lol. The way he just walks into the video to poke things and then walk off. Plouffe is great though. Super down to earth
Finally a robotech inspired keyboard..... im sure so many people got that reference.
well, technically the VF-19 wasn't in the Robotech series, but I get what you mean 😌
I was honestly surprised when I saw the VF-19 color scheme, and thought "is it actually inspired by the YF-19 valkyrie from Macross or just a weird coincident?"
7:06 when you get excited they're going to give it away but actually they're just giving it a weigh :'(
This keyboard or 2 used RTX 2080 Founders in sli?
With every Plouff custom keyboard video I care less and less about custom keyboards. Keep putting him in the thumbnail though, it makes it easy to know what videos aren't worth watching.
The price isn't *that* outrageous for a small batch custom job like this, in the custom keyboard world at least it wouldn't be out of place in the $1000+ ballpark. It's an expensive hobby with very little economy of scale, prices get very high very fast.
I would have loved this keyboard. Too bad it its so expensive.
The lighting is awesome. It looks like no other I have seen.
One day when I when the lottery (probably around 3500 A.D.) I'll buy you one bro. I got you 🙏💯
I have no idea what this costs them but including all the extra parts, having a unique mounting system, fully custom parts across the board, etc. They seem to be throwing everything they can in to make the price hurt less.
A very Gundamy colorscheme if you ask me. :) Like it
Never been a premium keyboard guy but I really like this keyboard.
dont be, most are a scam, most don't even have software, its best to just stick with the main stream hotswap keyboards
@@anthonyschlessman1848 homie what premium keyboard have you been buying
I don't usually comment but the moment I saw VF-19 I'm like...
MACROSS!!!
"one of those jets with forward sweeping wings" macross deserves more respect than that
The switches sound amazong. Would any keyboard with those switches sound like that, or is it combination of the frame?
As a person who has bought keyboards like this before, a lot of the sound comes from various foam inserts put inside the keyboard as well as the adjustable leaf spring. The switches help if they are smooth, but you need a nice keyboard for it to sound like that.
That’s a good looking board
Ohhhh that thing sounds so good.
-edit-
Of course, short circuit again super late releasing their review. This thing has been sold out for *months*. Yet another impossible to acquire keyboard, oh well.
That’s Dope! The design seems a little fiddly, but with so many features it comes with the territory.
I would assume that if the keyboard is $500+ that it's really only enthusiasts that are gonna be interested in it.
Recently switched to a Feker Alice model from a Corsair K68 and the typing experience is so different.
You should get an Owlabs Spring in :)
Why is it so hard fo find full sized keyboards in these circles, I need all the keys and do not want to have multiple layers by default
I am a little confused at flexible keyboards. Like, when a laptop has a keyboard that's flexible, it is considered bad, as in under-engineered. But on mech keyboards, people are willing to pay extra for an over-engineered system that achieves the same thing? It is kinda wild that we have double standards for a phenomenon that affects the same piece of equipment depending on whether it is a full pc or a separate piece of hardware.
That's a really nice layout, it took me a while to get used to a split layout when I used one years ago but you do get used to it fast.
I'd consider one of these but the design is a bit much, you know it'll be mad expensive, and they look sold out.
But the biggest thing for me is I've gotten really used to low profile mech keys going from Keychron's optical low profile switches (which I remain unsure of, I think it's their crappy ABS caps that let it down) and now my main NuPhy Air75, which was more pricey but the keycaps are great which mattters since there are so few options, and it has standard red low profiles.
I'd never be the one to spend like $300+ on a keyboard like some people will do (I know, at that level you're more supporting independent artists than buying a tool) but if you work or spend a lot of time using a computer every day, it's worth making sure your tools feel great to use. Maybe that's a wild split mech board, maybe it's a super slim Apple keyboard, but don't settle for the $20 garbage offices have stacked in the back room. They suck
If you want an alice style board (like the one in the video) with low profile switches and arent afraid of soldering it yourself, you could look into sesame 60 ergo or basketweave s ergo and some redragon lowprofile mx switches. All of those components go for relatively cheap
"Sooo, Plouffe. Where's your PC then?"
"What PC!?"
i really like the sound of the keycaps
Are we not going to talk about the elephant in the room?
It really sounds like you're typing on a marble stone keyboard, does it feel solid?
This typing sound, really is something else
It looks bonkers, very nice. Not for me, but pretty cool. I love the caps!
I love the horst cameos
Seems strange that on laptops the goal is always zero deck flex and 100% rigidity, but here the main selling point is that it has significant flex and that having flex is desirable.
laptops use rubberdomes so the soft typing feel is already there
Coolness. Ther should be a Tetris game using the RGB of the keys :-)
Ya know, I was thinking, "Huh, that's kind of like the VF-19's wings. The orange is odd though." Seeing their inspiration was the VF-19 though, funny stuff. >)
But yeah, hard pass on this keyboard. Price is absurd for a keyboard, but that aside, disassembly of the keyboard looks like a huge pain in the ass. Having to completely unscrew it to replace the leaf springs is unrealistic if it's a key feature. It should be the easiest thing to do, like swapping weights into/out of a mouse. I'm happier to hand wire my own keyboard for under $100, including 3D printing my own shell and key matrix (3D printer not included in price, I got it for other projects).
Would love to see what James thinks of the MoErgo glove 80
Seems like they could have had some externally-accessible slider mechanism instead of the 3 discrete stops that are a pain in the ass to change.
if it's already a very expensive product, why not put tiny magnets in the rubber stoppers so they can be manipulated easier?
I'm still waiting for a mass produced ortholinear keyboard.
Theres the idobao keyboards. They arent the most amazing or well-priced but they are readily available on aliexpress
We need more ergo keyboards with hot swappable switches and possible RGB lol
Would be nice if Microsoft did a re-release of their Natural Ergonomic 4000 keyboard with the standard layout, but with the replaceable keys.
the legend says Jonathan still looking for keyboard for Mac users
Most I've spent is about $300 on a keyboard. There's no way this keyboard is worth $580.
I'm really glad I can type and play games using just about any kind of keyboard so I never feel like I need to buy a keyboard that costs hundreds of dollars.
@1:40 bro there are kilos of plastic on the keyboard already 😂
So, it's not cool when a keyboard flexes because it feels mushy, but it is ok to intentionally flex the whole assembly?
These keyboard people is just nuts...
yeah they are all crazy. How dare they have preferences
He definitely took this home.
I like that they included wrist skates. I know they're seen as an atypical wrist rest, but they honestly become something you can't live without after using them at a kitted out workstation. If you've ever had multiple peripherals, you'll quickly understand their usefulness. My production setup is a macropad, a space mouse, a 60%, a pointing device (I occasionally switch between a mouse and a trackball depending on how I'm feeling, I might add a trackpad into rotation), and a second macropad that spends most of its time as a numpad with a navigation cluster. Rather than having a wrist rest for each of them, using wrist skates is so much easier and provides less clutter, plus it requires less effort to just horizontally slide your wrists, rather than constantly pick them up and set them down when you move to a different peripheral; though I assume if you have _very_ thin peripherals and a plushy deskmat, this could suffice as an alternative.
Personally, I don't understand the wireless charger on this. If you need a charger at all, wired or wireless, you're going to have a cable on standby anyways, and a wireless charger here would just add a charging pad on standby as well. It also looks as if the pad, unless you want to constantly plug and unplug it, only has access via the sides. Unless you have a deskmat that has full-array wireless, like some mousepads do, or you have a powerful enough charger mounted under the desk surface, I don't see the point; and even then you're using a vastly more inefficient method of wireless charging, full array, unless assisted by processing and detection (which I don't believe any consumer product is currently using), loses efficiency across the full array, and under-surface chargers lose efficiency due to needing penetration. So again, what's the point? It seems like a throwaway feature to increase cost, a coil module that costs pennies being marked up to justify the pricetag for some people; the whole 'wireless charging is a premium' mentality.
I also don't understand the leafspring at all. It's just glorified board flex. I can understand it if you have a heavy hand and are absolutely bashing keyswitches, but don't necessarily want a heavier actuation spring; but at the same time, keyswitches should be offering dual-rate springs for this exact type of person, or at least offer an extremely non-linear spring where the weight shoots up before bottoming out. Which leads into why I actually don't understand the leaf spring design, the dual-rate implementation, the leaf spring really only works for a specific keyswitch weight, a lighter or heavier keyswitch will modify how the leaf spring is intended to work. Unless the leaf spring is meant to be stiff enough where the key fully bottoms out far before the leaf actuates, but then that's just horrendous design from an engineering perspective. It's just an odd system that doesn't make sense on one hand and doesn't make sense on the other hand, and fits a niche that has better hypothetical alternatives, though those alternatives are fairly custom within the current market. I would also imagine, depending on actual implementation, that this design style could also make a mech switch feel like a membrane, of which we already have mech-membrane switches from various vendors, so again there's already some alternatives on one side of the coin, while the other has hypothetical custom alternatives. Again, like the wireless charger, where does this ultimately make sense? Again, is it a weird implementation just to spike the price where most people buying into this will just see it as a 'premium' feature without additional logical thought? Again, this is for the niche market where you need day-long typing endurance _and_ for someone with a heavy hand, but a proper non-linear spring or dual-rate spring within the switch itself would fix this, or moving to a membrane where everything is squishy and gives (there's a reason why membranes are found throughout offices, and cost isn't the only factor), this specific keyboard really has no place for the niche it seeks to fill because it's going about its implementation improperly, and at a very expensive cost. "There needs to be a fourth option where there's basically zero flex and then I would see some value in it, but as for right now I just don't like the leaf spring," accurately points out the issues I'm describing, bad implementation of a dual-rate system, as a proper dual-rate, or again even a non-linear spring that gets weightier after actuation without bottoming out, would be so much better than this keyboard.
To further the previous, this thing looks like a pain in the ass to deal with. Not just from an adjustability perspective, but from manufacturability. Such a large bill of materials, such a complex assembly process, and for what? There's better ways of doing exactly this, don't let the poor design fool you, but again just _why_ when there's much better alternatives? The price could easily be half to a third, possibly even less, if they just cut the bullshit and use a proper implementation of the concept, most of that savings coming directly from cutting down bill of materials and manufacturing processes.
At the end of the day, this is just an overpriced gimmick product. Sure, the basis of it might be nice, but the selling point makes it a gimmick.
I also don't care for the layout all that much. But this is a complaint about a lot of layouts, so I won't really get into layouts specifically. But I will say the left hand left side nav+del column is a bit odd, especially with its spacing, nav should be a right hand pinky column, where the left pinky gets a macro column. Similarly, I don't care for the space row, modifiers on the left, fn and arrows on the right, with a distant right shift just is not a good layout at all, plus the open space (though I understand this, an odd shaped key would be needed) is lackluster. The layout, while a complete alpha cluster, just doesn't live up to fuller potential, and this keyboard in particular doesn't, especially within its own footprint. There could be more, but there isn't.
Though I do somewhat like the center module idea. Though for other reasons. Imagine using this as a proper monitor for wireless split layouts, individual battery monitors, moving on/off LEDs such as num and caps locks to this module, other possibilities could be adding additional modules (circling back to main keyboard with additional pads, as stated earlier), etc. You could probably also throw in other wireless peripherals into this ecosystem, pointing devices, audio, controllers, etc., and make this module a one-wire wireless hub for everything. Imagine also being able to store all of your profiles on it as well, QMK profiles per device, audio setups, individual controller mappings (big plus if Steam Input API had a lower-level integration with it) per individual controller, etc. One could build an entire open ecosystem around a central module and offload so much work from the host system, not to mention it'd all be fairly simplistic and streamlined as well, and all it does is sit under your monitor and acts as a peripheral control center; but not just this, say you upgrade to a new system entirely, or you move a setup between a home and work environment, etc., because everything within the peripheral ecosystem functions off the module, and the module keeps all profiles on-board, you can just take the module with you and not have to do additional setup on other systems.
you know i know it might sound like heressy to some
but having the alice layout spaced out a bit seems like a lovely idea :3 actually want one just to ... give it a go
Keychron also has the Q10, a 75% Alice board with the Function row. I do have to admit the AM AHA is a very tempting board, but it's not "3 times the price" compared to Keychron. Even kitted out with Box Navy switches and the Cerakey ceramic keycaps my Q10 is still cheaper than anything from Angry Miao.
Which typing software is that? Please tell me. I am trying to learn how to type faster.
Someone in the company must've loved Macross to name the VF19 instead of real life swept wing aircraft
Still looking for a good mechanical keyboard with a small LCD readout (for cpu/ram usage stats like my classic G15), and a programmable slider or knob for photo and video editing (like the Asus ProArt Studiobook).
I want this keyboard sooo baaad. X'D
you know someone is a professional tech reviewer when they complain about packaging. like who could possibly care about a little piece of plastic except someone who deals with packaging every day
Angry Miao? Like... Mad Catz?
I really like old school clicky keyboards circa late 80s early 90s, would the UK Matias Tactile Pro for PC be a good fit ? It's not cheap , but not exactly expensive at £120? thought ?
Is the colorway called VF-19 as a reference to the Haas F1 car from 2019?
Edit: Seems to be a coincidence. (Macross VF-19 from an Anime)
The keys sound like dropping rice onto a tabletop.
the keys/RGB scream gameboy colour to me!
Why would you ever want your keyboard to flex lol
Does anyone know if it's possible to get the wrist rests separately?
can you review the LOGI SIGNATURE K855 ?
15 mins to change the flex. They could engineer a keyboard where you can change the flex with a lever.
How do I make a pedestrian keyboard sound like this???
So they sell you adjustable "keyboard flex" as a feature? I get that for free on my laptop!
The more that I have been looking at mechanical keyboards lately I've realized what I want is a matching set of a 60% but with the top function keys, a unit that is just the navigation buttons (arrows, home, end, etc) and then a numpad unit. If anybody knows of something like that I could do for less then $250 CAD let me know.
Where are my Macross/Robotech fans at? I'm still a bigger fan of the VF-1 over the VF-19. I love the F-14 vibes it gives off.
Can’t be the only one that instantly scanned through the video to see when he worked out the wrist rests.
Looks like it was made by someone who saw those old Micrsoft split keyboards.
some parts of the world do not have enough food. and here we have a keyboard with leaf springs in it. hmm. looks cool tho 👍
I had no idea that this specific config was called Alice Keyboards
These are really the only keyboards I can use with my hands so I am glad to see something like this but holy crap is that reallly out of my price range
technically this isn’t really alice because the true alice layout doesn’t have arrow keys, but it’s easier to label everything alice I guess
@@skystrobe3325 I would figure people outside the hobby hardly know the EM7 existed. But TGR Alice is quite well known since Natha Kim daily drove it for some time.
LTT keyboard when?
Those switches sound good 😂
Hiko that you?
Bell is a certified producer!
Bell is like me, at work I have no time for BS funny guy time, let's get the work done fast so I can get out of there, go home, and be funny guy time at home 🤣
How do I get my custom keyboard to sound like this?!😍