The battle of Zama Hannibal and Scipio's final showdown (Rome vs Carthage History)

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  • @pandabear4565
    @pandabear4565 3 роки тому +459

    "Ungrateful country. You shall not even posses my bones." That makes me so sad.

    • @nicholasbrown668
      @nicholasbrown668 3 роки тому +73

      He and his legions gave so much for Rome and they cast him aside, Scipio will always be a role model for me

    • @craftsANDRANDOMSTUFF
      @craftsANDRANDOMSTUFF 3 роки тому +38

      @@nicholasbrown668 the role model should be the idiots in the senate who never risked shit and still called the shots. The world keeps working in the same ways.

    • @connycontainer9459
      @connycontainer9459 3 роки тому +7

      Don't. It's the ultimate triumph of an individual over sinister forces of the collective.

    • @ericlimon9718
      @ericlimon9718 Рік тому +4

      @@craftsANDRANDOMSTUFF mmhmm some things never change

    • @minamotofchds2316
      @minamotofchds2316 Рік тому +8

      Scipio at least goes down in history as the greatest general of Rome

  • @avalle4493
    @avalle4493 4 роки тому +411

    This is the only time in history that 2 military masterminds clash. (Both man are easily in the top 5 of greatest generals)
    I love the parallels between Hannibal and Scipio and how the second punic war basically became a struggle between houses of Barca and Scipio. Both families where noble, rich and produce really great military comanders that reach it pinnacle with this 2 geniuses.
    Both families suffer deaths in the war: Hannibal Broders (Hasdrubal and Mago) for the Barcas and Scipio father(Publius) and uncle (Cneus) for the Scipio.
    Both Hannibal and Scipio start their military careers at Spain. Both men fought under their fathers command.
    Both men where hated by their senates and at the end where betray by them.
    And both men die in the same year !!!
    They where 2 sides of the same coin and will forever live in history as legends.

    • @riykin
      @riykin 4 роки тому +33

      Theres a manga about that called Ad Astra: Scipio and Hannibal. Fascinating read

    • @Longordon1
      @Longordon1 3 роки тому +3

      Scipio belong to Cornelia's House

    • @markberryhill2715
      @markberryhill2715 3 роки тому +6

      Well said.

    • @ikedi6005
      @ikedi6005 3 роки тому +9

      Pompey the Great and Julius Caesar at Dyracchium and Pharsalus beg to differ

    • @Fery-Mythology
      @Fery-Mythology 3 роки тому +25

      Scipio isnt same Level like Hannibal, the battle of Zama wasnt very fair ..
      Hannibal had nothing , his cavellery was new and bad his Infantrie same ...only his vetreans , but this wasnt enough against Roman Army ...

  • @kasifhanif2046
    @kasifhanif2046 5 років тому +551

    The carthaginian elite were afraid that Hannable would stage a coup and with the people behind him he would be successful. The Carthaginian elites feared his revenge as when he asked for more men they refused not only him but also his father during the first war. like the 20,000 men who went to Spain in 215 bc instead of Italy. Carthage had men in reserve such as the men who fought in Spain or at the battle of Utica or at the battle of the great plains or the citizens who fought at Zama or they could have raised them and given to Hannable but didnt they didnt even supply money or food. Thus they knew a strong and angry Hannable could stage a coup or a massacure of the men who had stabbed him in the back.
    The same with Scipio. The senate feared his growing power and the love he got from the people. Not only did Scipio win in Spain then Africa. He also won at Magnesia. The senate tried to insult Scipio Africanus as they sent him as an advisor to his brother. But his brother let Scipio Africanus have the command for the Battle of Magnesia and he won and brought the mighty Antiochus the great to kneel who's empire was many times larger than the lands Rome had under there control.
    So both men were a victim of there own success.

    • @Jinisinsane
      @Jinisinsane 5 років тому +80

      Ok, you calling Hannibal Hannable is bothering me more than it should.

    • @GUNDAM-NOLASAINTS
      @GUNDAM-NOLASAINTS 5 років тому +32

      Sound like the Democrats

    • @timpenfield5
      @timpenfield5 5 років тому +17

      It's still happening today. Here in the USA. politicians work to keep veterans out of politics, VETRANS WHO FOUGHT IN WARS THE POLITICIANS STARTED. This time, we will see.

    • @nomooon
      @nomooon 5 років тому +5

      @president camachoAmerican servicemen/veterans benefits are high because it's voluntary service, so you need very good incentives.

    • @1anfinity08
      @1anfinity08 5 років тому +9

      Politicians are really a bunch of nasty people. Back then til now

  • @chris_2208
    @chris_2208 6 років тому +443

    What a story! I realized that typical politicians have been the villain even back then. I never knew that Hannibal also made it to be a great governor. Wow!

    • @htoodoh5770
      @htoodoh5770 6 років тому +13

      Christopher Durias Politic often required you to be a villain, however what the Carthargnian elder did was unreasonable.

    • @FlashPointHx
      @FlashPointHx 6 років тому +5

      Awesome - I love to hear comments like this. If someone can take something home for this - it makes it all worth it

    • @thetrain47539
      @thetrain47539 5 років тому +20

      "Put Hannibal and Scipio together in a cell with nothing but a stick and they'll find a way to escape" - Some history figure I cant remember the name of for the life of me!!!

    • @gilgamesh8334
      @gilgamesh8334 5 років тому +4

      CXVII 117 R the can, someone you can cross the alps with elephants can achieve anything

    • @lullabylullaby205
      @lullabylullaby205 5 років тому +6

      hard times produce strong people (great leaders and generals)
      Strong people produce peace times
      Piece time produce weak people (scum politicians)
      Weak people produce hard times

  • @DanishCamp
    @DanishCamp 6 років тому +92

    This was probably one of the most skilled battles. It was incredibly hard back then to change formations during battle. Usually you were comitted to your tactic before the fights, so it is incredible to see the discipline and the ability to get the orders in place during combat.

    • @Warmaker01
      @Warmaker01 2 роки тому +5

      Correct. It's not like a video game where you can instantly direct multiple units to do whatever you want, no matter how far away they were, any time you want. A lot of times there's only enough discipline, training, command and control to draw the armies up and go, with no fancy maneuvering. If anything, fancy movements will only disrupt the formation leaving openings to be exploited. You only did this if the leaders were good and the army well drilled, disciplined.

  • @tauceti8341
    @tauceti8341 6 років тому +295

    Seriously this was so good the ending gave me mad chills. Especially with the quote at the end.

    • @derrheat154
      @derrheat154 5 років тому +6

      Not really, you can still see the old and magnificent buildings of rome if you go there. Can't really say the same about carthage though

    • @someone_7233
      @someone_7233 5 років тому +3

      Me two, I almost cried 🔥

  • @TruthIsToBlame
    @TruthIsToBlame 5 років тому +120

    That ending quote by Scipio Amellianus is so heavy

  • @TaxPayingContributor
    @TaxPayingContributor 6 років тому +126

    Fine effort, all! History is still being written... but, thanks to these videos, it is being revisited and preserved for history. Gratitude

    • @sizanogreen9900
      @sizanogreen9900 6 років тому +5

      "One who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it." A sentence so often recited that I continue to be shocked by how few people seem to have taken it to their heart.

  • @ooopppp1
    @ooopppp1 6 років тому +698

    two great generals betrayed by their OWN countries

    • @ricky7426
      @ricky7426 5 років тому +10

      I mean they never gave their word to support them so technicly its not a betrayal

    • @klarkmartinez1124
      @klarkmartinez1124 5 років тому +66

      Imagine if they meet in the afterlife. They have so much in common.
      If only there is.

    • @undertyped1
      @undertyped1 5 років тому +56

      It wasn't the people who betrayed them, it was the ones in power.

    • @ricky7426
      @ricky7426 5 років тому +4

      @@klarkmartinez1124 mate mate i dont get your name youve got the whitest english name and then martinez the least whitest surname fucking hilarius mister klark martinez (also dont sue me for personal harasment i cannot afford another lawsuit)

    • @dukeman7595
      @dukeman7595 4 роки тому +8

      @@klarkmartinez1124 No "IF'S There most certainly "IS".. You may have the chance to talk with them yourself..

  • @esmandagamer3441
    @esmandagamer3441 5 років тому +222

    Ungreatful country shall not poses my bones #thuglife

  • @jamesdeek7039
    @jamesdeek7039 Рік тому +15

    The amount of respect I have for these ancient generals.
    Can you imagine the skill it takes to maneuver so many men , to analyze your opponents movements and make quick decisions.

  • @hamidious
    @hamidious 5 років тому +139

    So Hannibal had 2 bets of winning this battle. The first one was that the Elephants would wreck havock and give him a quick advantage.
    The second one was that the Carthagian Cavalry would lure enemy cavalry for enough time to win melee with his veterans.
    Hannibal was brilliant even in defeat.

    • @latter-daysaintbatman2679
      @latter-daysaintbatman2679 3 роки тому +30

      And Scipio already knew that was going to happen, and thus used that against Hannibal just as Hannibal used the Romans' tactics at Cannae to defeat them.

    • @lasagner9567
      @lasagner9567 3 роки тому +4

      One could also argue that betting was not a good idea, since it brought the victory down to chance and a roll of the die rather than a numerical advantage. This was shown in the battle when he lost not one but both of his bets.

    • @aleksapetrovic6519
      @aleksapetrovic6519 3 роки тому +2

      Some men live and die in the shades of olive tree. Some men change the world, even in defeat.

    • @purepwnage007
      @purepwnage007 2 роки тому +17

      I respectfully disagree, hannibal's tactics at zama were very basic and relied on his opponent being undisciplined and stupid. His previous battles were an incredible display of him walking a tightrope in order to puppeteer the most efficient fight, truly brilliant. but what I'm getting from this video is that the battle basically boiled down to three things:
      -his inferior cavalry luring away a numerically superior force of cavalry (wishful thinking)
      -his infantry defeating the famed roman infantry (wishful thinking)
      -his elephants doing damage (not a bad idea, as long as you hedge your bets)
      i think really it just came down to the elephants, which were ineffective. the moment the elephants failed the battle was lost.

    • @purepwnage007
      @purepwnage007 2 роки тому +2

      Turns out he was running out of fresh water so he was forced into fighting

  • @everfree4175
    @everfree4175 6 років тому +696

    Hannibal and Scipio had what neither Carthage nor Rome could ever possess, honor and respect.

    • @omarmohsen7878
      @omarmohsen7878 6 років тому +47

      tell me more about julius ceaser and his roman legions in Gaul it was a massacre or were they sending flowers xD ?

    • @omarmohsen7878
      @omarmohsen7878 6 років тому +17

      @Legio thats funny xD if they didnt accept their rule and accept rome as their ruler they should die xD. thats civilized tbh. anyway its history im not attacking or defending anyone im just putting myself back there as a one of the Gauls , id hate rome and i can tell why they hated romans soo much back then

    • @lakedaimonia9972
      @lakedaimonia9972 6 років тому +16

      Comparing amoral Rome that fell as victim to Sula and later Caesar and the Roman Republic during Scipios time is foolish. These were the two different Roman societies and different legal systems.
      As Montesqueu said: Rome fell not by barbarians, but by destroying their enemy: the Carthage. When Rome increased its jurisdiction and territory beyond Italy, it went to shit. People started behaving like damn capitalists and nobody cared anymore for morals, customs, etc. It was all about the money. That is why Grachus failed, and that is why Caton and Brutus lost the war - because they were men of old, not the men of the new order. New order demanded scheming amoral population.

    • @kration2484
      @kration2484 6 років тому +7

      @Legio XXI Rapax "Gods i hate the Gauls, even my father hated them"

    • @glennross85
      @glennross85 5 років тому

      I always thought Rome started to go shit after Augustus.

  • @amicable5237
    @amicable5237 5 років тому +15

    History can be so poetic sometimes, this is beautiful

  • @angeloanderson2568
    @angeloanderson2568 6 років тому +15

    Amazing quality both visually and in story telling! I already loved learning about Roman history with Hannibal and Scipio, but never heard about their tragically poetic endings. Truly fantastic work that would entertain anyone to learning history.

  • @renewoffles4369
    @renewoffles4369 5 років тому +21

    I can only imagine the badass speech scipio have to those soldiers in exile

  • @ximen459
    @ximen459 5 років тому +159

    ''It looked like it was gonna be a stalemate until... Ohh my God it's the cavalry''

    • @cagan2584
      @cagan2584 5 років тому +18

      90% of battles in a nutshell

    • @arealtreat2654
      @arealtreat2654 4 роки тому

      @@cagan2584 but wat happen to hannibles troops that he told to lure them away did they all lose all they had ta do was run and attack run and attack till hannible won lol

    • @ConfectionerCat
      @ConfectionerCat 4 роки тому +3

      Good reference, I chuckled, you get a cookie

    • @ivannierez7731
      @ivannierez7731 4 роки тому

      Cheer guys the cavalry it's here!

    • @latter-daysaintbatman2679
      @latter-daysaintbatman2679 3 роки тому +2

      Yep. Battle at Pelennor Fields in Lord of the Rings, Battle of Bastards in Game of Thrones, Battle at the Alliance Gate in my books where the Meringardian and Britonnian knights rescue the Emperor and his outnumbered forces from the overwhelming dark elf army, and ofc, the Battle of Zama.

  • @avalle4493
    @avalle4493 5 років тому +214

    This battle is a clash of titans. All of you are heavily underestimating Scipio.
    1.- Scipio conquest Hispain and Africa. He won at legendary battles like Ilpa, Bacuola, Cartago Nova and Zama. He defeated elephants, numidians, and hoplites. This man was a genius, telling that he won thanks to "luck" is ridiculous.
    2.- Hannibal has not only a greather army but a better one...
    His veterans where a killing machine created by one of history greatest Generals to crush roman armies.

    • @paolostival6972
      @paolostival6972 5 років тому +34

      Just 15000 of his men were veterans of Italy, he had less cavalry and the roman troops were the Legiones Cannensis, formed by soldiers which had survived crushing defeats (such as Cannae), desertors, sackers, etc. They were all veterans of the very hard italian campaigns tho and they detested Hannibal and his troops with unquenched hatred.

    • @kingnathiii1927
      @kingnathiii1927 5 років тому +47

      Both were incredible commanders, but I think this battle was lost before it started, yes the carthaginian had more infantry, but most of them were mercenaries and citizen militias which had nothing on roman hastatis and principes, Romans had the advantage in Infantry and Cavalry, with 50% more and better cavalry scipio was basically sure to win that part of the battle and we all know how important cavalry are. the only advantage Hannibal had was his elephants which I will say scipio made a damn good job at taking them down.

    • @omarjedidi8958
      @omarjedidi8958 5 років тому +37

      Scipio is a mastermind tactitian, and a worthy student and foe of Hannibal. Without him maybe that the fate of Rome and Carthage would be reversed ...
      But, Hannibal didn't have a better army at Zama. It's only his third line ( his veterans ) who was reliable and can match the roman principes and triarii ( the first two line could barely face the hastati )

    • @rourouxiao0724
      @rourouxiao0724 4 роки тому +1

      It's spelled Ilipa, Baecula, and Carthago Nova.

    • @kamo9882
      @kamo9882 4 роки тому +19

      Infact both Scepio and Hanibal were master tacticians.yet you know why many people admire Hanibal more? Hanibal hasn't gained reinforcement from his Carthegenian leaders in his entire journey towards Rome. They have just forgotten him. Only he recruited local tribes in his way in foreign land, trained them in foreign land and made them sharp and deadly fighters. Imagine crossing Alps without reinforcement in a foreign country with huge enemy garrisons here and there.His tactics were quite incredible. Notice what he did in Lake Trasamine. Realy genius.

  • @ひろゆき二十一
    @ひろゆき二十一 4 роки тому +3

    Best Battle of Zama summary in youtube for me and puts a lot more context to what had truly aspired aside from the tactical aspect of the battle

  • @Daniel-du7pv
    @Daniel-du7pv 3 роки тому +28

    Well, but Rome city never got destroyed, that’s why it received the name “eternal city”. It’s pretty fascinating to walk in Rome and see dozens of monuments, kilometers of walls and hundreds of constructions built over 2.000 years ago. The majority of Aurelian wall still there!

    • @dragooll2023
      @dragooll2023 3 роки тому +3

      A lot got destroyed in the germanic sacks of 410AC and 450AC, and the spanish-german sack in the 1500s

    • @dragooll2023
      @dragooll2023 3 роки тому +1

      Also at the siege of rome during justininian's reconquest.

    • @macobuzi
      @macobuzi 2 місяці тому

      @@dragooll2023 It got sacked several times but has never been razed.

  • @norbs9858
    @norbs9858 9 місяців тому +32

    who's here after second Punic war by oversimplified

    • @Chalkzyyy
      @Chalkzyyy 8 місяців тому +1

      Me XDD

    • @joshuavasquez9701
      @joshuavasquez9701 3 місяці тому

      Yes. Much more complicated. But I'm a total Roman history dork.

  • @latter-daysaintbatman2679
    @latter-daysaintbatman2679 3 роки тому +21

    You see, Hannibal managed to convince the Gauls to side with him to destroy Rome and so Rome convinced one of Carthage's allies, the Numidians to side with them because Hannibal won't allow the Numidians to have their own country.

    • @jaaackaissa1633
      @jaaackaissa1633 2 роки тому +1

      Nomidin's story is a roll.
      At the beginning of the war, Hannibal was allied with Masinessa, king of Eastern Nomedia, and promised to marry Sophonisba, the daughter of one of Carthage's generals, but then they plotted to assassinate Massenisa, put a weak child in his place, allied himself with his enemy Syphax, king of Western Nomedia (he was an ally of Rome) and married him to Sophonisba.
      Masinisa realized this Masinisa's alliance with Rome.

  • @DarkFilmDirector
    @DarkFilmDirector 6 років тому +23

    I feel like it would have been interesting to cover Hannibal's service to the Seleucid Emperor Antiochus the Great during his exile.

    • @ChevyChase301
      @ChevyChase301 6 років тому +4

      DMC12Gauge had Hannibal not pushed the Seleucids to war Antiochus may have taken over all of Egypt and maybe later defeated Rome.

  • @theallseeingmaster
    @theallseeingmaster 5 років тому +6

    A well done, well written, well narrated compelling video. I knew the story before I watched ad was still informed and entertained. Good work.

  • @handless7677
    @handless7677 6 років тому +8

    God, this is so well narrated, excellent job.

  • @Brandazzo22
    @Brandazzo22 6 років тому +2

    I read a lot of history sources and books on the second Punic war and your video is by far the most complete. Bravo!

  • @timomastosalo
    @timomastosalo 6 років тому +8

    I watched a document about this battle. The elephants were not simply dealt with (killed), many of them were so wounded that they turned back and ran amok through the Carthagenian ranks. They caused some panic in their troops, and weakened them. Plus made them ill disciplined for the rest of the fight.

  • @jamesbarnett2483
    @jamesbarnett2483 Рік тому

    Loved that "Course of Empire" was included at the end-very fitting image to help visualize the sacki and torching of Carthage.

  • @michamalinowski8015
    @michamalinowski8015 5 років тому +5

    Now this is how to make a history podcast interesting, engaging and of high quality. Thums up.

  • @cunningham.s_law
    @cunningham.s_law 6 років тому +42

    wow this is so high quality

    • @FlashPointHx
      @FlashPointHx 6 років тому

      Thanks! Couldn’t have done it without Epimethius

  • @slopcrusher3482
    @slopcrusher3482 4 роки тому +8

    I can imagine the Roman troops on their back foot, the see the holes opening up in their line, they’re beginning to think that Hannibal is going to win again, and then they hear it... the rumbling of cavalry, the soldiers begin to cheer as they see the Roman cavalry riding up behind Hannibals forces, the romans are re-invigorated, they grasp history from the hands of Hannibal.

  • @jamespoynor9511
    @jamespoynor9511 6 місяців тому

    I just keep coming back to this series.... so good.

  • @PickBit
    @PickBit 4 роки тому +52

    Although a defeat on the field Zama was a tactical victory for Hannibal. He foresaw and countered Scipio's brilliant offensive putting him in serious difficulty; what won it for the Romans was the superiority of their troops, as so many other times throughout their history.
    The greatest general of all times was not Alexander or Caesar or Napoleon, it was Hannibal Barca, period. I say this as an Italian with an immense love for Roman history and very strong admiration for Roman military prowess; there have been countless amazing generals among consuls and emperors of Rome, but Hannibal was just from another planet.
    Had he had the legions under his command he would have conquered the whole freaking world by himself

    • @Don8Maverick
      @Don8Maverick 4 роки тому +20

      beside his tactical prowess the least talked thing about Hannibal is his logistics planifications, all of the generals you mentioned when set on a conquest they had a solid supply line behind them, unlike Hannibal who had to live and plan the survival of tens of thousands of soldiers and camp followers in a hostile land unknown to him, not only this his army was composed of multi ethnical and multi racial soldiers and no record of a revolt or mutiny, that is unheard of.

    • @stuckupcurlyguy
      @stuckupcurlyguy 4 роки тому +14

      He was definitely some sort of genius or savant. Not only in battlefield tactics but logistics, charismatic leadership, organisation, planning. He was the right man on the wrong side of history.

    • @richardrobinson1697
      @richardrobinson1697 4 роки тому +1

      ALTHOUGH HANNIBAL WAS AN ALL TIME GREAT GENERAL, I WOULD TAKE JC OVERALL. CAESAR TOOK ON GAUL, BRITAIN, GERMANY, USED BRILLIANT TACTICS TO BEAT THEM ALL. NOT TO MENTION POMPEI AND HIS ROMAN LEGIONS. A DREAM MATCH UP, WE CAN ONLY GUESS. MY MONEY WOULD BE ON JC!🗡🇮🇹💵🗡

    • @PickBit
      @PickBit 4 роки тому +4

      @@richardrobinson1697 Mmh... yes, I see where you are coming from; Caesar was incredibly successful, he took on half of Europe and was victorious, but Hannibal took on Rome herself! Ok Rome was not the powerhouse it was in Caesar's time, but still had by far the better soldiers. Yet Hannibal was never bested tactically and strategically, he was defeated only by his own people and the lack of support from his homeland. Personally I think no general in history stands up to Hannibal's military genius, not even Caesar. Although brilliant he was defeated more than once and I don't think his strategic mind (although certainly sharp as they come) was his best trait. Immense charisma was his strong point, his ability to inspire his men to greater deeds with his mere presence. Take the siege of Alesia for example: it wasn't strategy what ultimately gave victory to the Romans and not even the amazing engineering that afforded them to build fortifications all around the city enclosing it almost completely, it was Caesar's presence. The turning point was exactly when he joined in at the breach, leading his men personally against a force far superior in number, in the critical moment

    • @rajiburrahman8176
      @rajiburrahman8176 4 роки тому +1

      Khalid bin Walid a muslim general, you may also like him. He win many battles like 1:10 and used many unusual exceptional tactics.

  • @andrei1637
    @andrei1637 6 років тому +2

    This was more than beautiful,a TV series made by you with this exact same plot would destroy the audiance

  • @matthewjay660
    @matthewjay660 5 років тому +68

    Cannae is pronounced in Latin as “can-EYE.”

    • @lastmanstanding5423
      @lastmanstanding5423 5 років тому +18

      oh good...
      I'm not the only one annoyed by his pronunciation of Cannae...

    • @cebuanoni
      @cebuanoni 5 років тому +7

      I believe that is how it is really pronounced. It's ok to pronounce it as "ka nee" if you're not a native of Latium( a place around Rome), however, it's impt. to know the original pronunciation of the word. Thank you for the information.

    • @CsStoker
      @CsStoker 4 роки тому +2

      At least he didn't pronounced Principes as "prinquipes"

    • @grauchomarx343
      @grauchomarx343 4 роки тому +1

      In that case you are mispronouncing it as well. If you want to learn how to pronounce Latin, learn modern Italian. The pronunciation rules are virtually identical.

    • @the-son-spice
      @the-son-spice 4 роки тому +3

      CsStoker that’s how it’s pronounced

  • @manu_spawn
    @manu_spawn 5 років тому +1

    This video is absolutely amazing. The narrator, the music and the animations are top notch. There is so much passion on this. Absolutely amazing. Liked and subscribed.

  • @NjK601
    @NjK601 5 років тому +5

    In Lindybeige video he discusses how Rome had a population of roughly 3/4 of a million people and were able to raise 4 legions in a day even after Cannae, suddenly without Carthage totally backing him Hannibals campaign seems fascinating but ultimately doomed to fail, like a cat attacking an elephant.

  • @vanessathomas6486
    @vanessathomas6486 5 років тому +2

    LOVED THIS! Great artwork and historical re-telling!

  • @lawrenceprice3090
    @lawrenceprice3090 3 роки тому +5

    Not gonna lie its pretty dam awesome that Scipio incorporated the defeat legions form Cannae into his invasion force. He is one of the best generals in history.

    • @MrKatra14
      @MrKatra14 2 роки тому +2

      The best in history, people don't give him credit for what he did, he outsmarted Hannibal in Zama, took Spain to weakend them and was the only general to defeat a top 5 general in history and who many call the best ever, no one else did that

  • @admiralgoodboy
    @admiralgoodboy 6 років тому +2

    Not even half way through and both scopio and hannibal are leaving me in awe they must've beenn true charismatic and hearty men

  • @bearcolombia
    @bearcolombia 5 років тому +4

    Badass and bittersweet end for both. Their lives poetry incarnate.

  • @KimNTennessee
    @KimNTennessee Рік тому

    Great video. Scipeo's quote gave me chills. You may not live to see Karma, but future generations will. I never knew the survivors from Cannae were exiled and fought here. I cannot imagine brutally fighting with blades - how astonished they'd be at the idea of safe spaces - a different breed of men. No choice but still. Respect.

  • @grub833
    @grub833 5 років тому +6

    as much as my favorite historical period is the dark ages i also love antiquity i find it so interesting and yet depressing all the same

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 4 роки тому +1

    The video was very cool. It was such an epic journey for two extraordinary military commanders. And the empires they had come from.

  • @Vntihero
    @Vntihero 8 місяців тому +8

    People tend to forget, Hannibal’s source of men and resources came from SPAIN, where his father conquered and governed, then passed to Hannibal….. the whole "Hannibal could have won if supported by senate" is folley…… Scipio was in Spain crushing Hannibal’s Generals for this very reason before attacking Carthage and then beating Hannibal at Zama, Scipio was better and underrated.

    • @TotalFiction18
      @TotalFiction18 2 місяці тому +1

      Scipio was not better than Hannibal, cmon.

    • @Vntihero
      @Vntihero 2 місяці тому

      @@TotalFiction18 Scipio defeated all of Hannibal’s brothers and Generals in Spain, then took out Hannibal at Zama…… +Scipio never lost, clearly better than Hannibal lol.

    • @TotalFiction18
      @TotalFiction18 2 місяці тому

      @@Vntihero I believe even Scipio himself would disagree, lol. He was incredible, but what Hannibal did was something extraordinary.

    • @Vntihero
      @Vntihero 2 місяці тому

      @@TotalFiction18 no, Hannibal said himself Alexander was the best, and Scipio 2nd since Scipio beat him, they had a meeting much later in life.

    • @TotalFiction18
      @TotalFiction18 2 місяці тому

      @@Vntihero he said Alexander and Pyrrhus, then himself. And said he would've put himself first if Scipio didn't beat him

  • @joselegaspi2549
    @joselegaspi2549 8 місяців тому

    That last quote, daiyuuuuum the foreshadowing.

  • @seto3153
    @seto3153 6 років тому +17

    Maybe one on the Gallic wars soon?

  • @ytytiuiu2590
    @ytytiuiu2590 3 роки тому +1

    Me: How many Hannibal Documentary to watch?
    Me too: all of them.

  • @theambitious1271
    @theambitious1271 6 років тому +46

    Great job man

  • @paultyson4389
    @paultyson4389 4 роки тому +2

    A very impressive presentation.
    It is sad how the mediocre gang up to bring down the brilliant once they have saved their bacon. Marius comes to mind, Julius Caesar of course and later on Aurelian (?) and Aetius right at the end.
    Rome was sacked twice but it was modest compared to the sacking of Carthage.
    Thanks for your efforts. Greatly appreciated.

  • @TheHockeyKeeper
    @TheHockeyKeeper 5 років тому +3

    For those of you that like this topic, i recommend you to read the book "Pride of Carthage - David Anthony Durham". I loved it.

    • @sacredband7089
      @sacredband7089 4 роки тому

      I have that book. My only complain was why it ended after zama

  • @JagerFrostTroll
    @JagerFrostTroll 6 років тому +1

    Great video, great music. Thank you

  • @zwolf4411
    @zwolf4411 5 років тому +11

    Imagine if both of these men joined forces, what of greatness they could have achieved together.

    • @tropicblue3457
      @tropicblue3457 5 років тому +3

      Both Scipio and Hannibal together with a strong army could have conquered lands in proportions of Alexander the Great conquests.

    • @JW-jd6sn
      @JW-jd6sn 5 років тому +3

      @@tropicblue3457 does that not show tho how great Alexander truly was, it would have took two great military leaders to match Alexander

    • @slenpaiwashere3599
      @slenpaiwashere3599 5 років тому +2

      James Wilson Genghis Khan took more land tho

    • @RexGalilae
      @RexGalilae 5 років тому +1

      Napoleon, one of the greatest commanders if not THE greatest, said it's better to leave soldiers in charge of one mediocre commander than two brilliant ones.
      No great commander would want to sit idly as the other gives out the orders. They'd be arguing over the finer points of tactics and strategy for days achieving nothing.
      This is what Caesar learnt first hand when his troops garrisoned near Belgae territory were wiped out by an ambush

  • @dvechng1688
    @dvechng1688 6 років тому +7

    Ad Astra: Scipio to Hannibal manga got me here 😁😁

    • @Jester-15
      @Jester-15 5 років тому

      Mago waa annoying

  • @GoogleDBunkers
    @GoogleDBunkers 5 років тому +4

    Awesome video, though I've got a small point of critique:
    The full quote would be "Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam" which translates to "Furthermore it is my opinion (I find, I feel) that Carthage will have to be (must be) destroyed"
    I'll be watching more!

  • @russellhawkins366
    @russellhawkins366 Рік тому

    Excellent account. Great details mentioned. Thanks 🙏

  • @bradolfpittler2875
    @bradolfpittler2875 5 років тому +31

    the subtitles say "skippy oh"

  • @casobrien4530
    @casobrien4530 4 роки тому +1

    This video looks like it would make a great film about respect and betrayal also the ending would be the city's burning as Scipios grandsons say his lines about Rome

  • @billbob9890
    @billbob9890 6 років тому +6

    Quality content you have my sub

  • @ChuckHickl
    @ChuckHickl 4 роки тому +1

    I must be at the wrong party as everyone here seems to be an expert in ancient history, all speaking as if their take is the correct one. I feel we'll never discover the nuances of this battle that may have swung victory one way or another but there is no disputing the fact that Scipio and Hannibal were both great strategists and motivators. Great upload and new sub here.

    • @dragooll2023
      @dragooll2023 3 роки тому

      I personally would consider hannibal a good tactician, rather than a good strategist. He was a fucking beast, but I saw some mistakes in his campaign in Italy (Not taking Rome, has a example)

    • @Theuselessguitarist
      @Theuselessguitarist 2 роки тому

      @@dragooll2023 If you do a quick search you’ll realise that the reason he didn’t take rome was because he didn’t have enough men and equipment.

    • @dragooll2023
      @dragooll2023 2 роки тому

      @@Theuselessguitarist He did have enough men and equipment, but if i can recall correctly, he didn't find marching 500 km to a fortified city between two huge armies worth it.

  • @rageraptor7127
    @rageraptor7127 5 років тому +20

    Had they met under different circumstances they may have been brothers

    • @billskinner7670
      @billskinner7670 4 роки тому +2

      Had they been brothers they could have conquered the known world.

    • @macobuzi
      @macobuzi 2 місяці тому

      Lol, Carthage and Rome were enemies for life, Hannibal even sword to destroy Rome, they could respect each other but could never befriend.

  • @xjuliussx
    @xjuliussx 6 років тому

    Excelent video, very complete and complex story line, depicting that times.

  • @charlesferdinand422
    @charlesferdinand422 4 роки тому +5

    Rule 1 in contemporary geopolitics: Don't start a land war in Asia
    Rule 1 in ancient geopolitics: Don't start shit with Rome

  • @xxants2286xx
    @xxants2286xx 4 роки тому

    Thank you so much for making these i just subbed.

  • @ekmalsukarno2302
    @ekmalsukarno2302 6 років тому +14

    A video on the history of Thailand, please.

  • @celtofcanaanesurix2245
    @celtofcanaanesurix2245 5 років тому +1

    A man who does what he must but understands the horror of it, is a wise man

  • @friedfish007
    @friedfish007 8 місяців тому +5

    is there anyone who came here after watching The Second Punic War part 2 from Oversimplified? 😂

  • @ImmortalAliens
    @ImmortalAliens Рік тому +1

    15:00 Scipio still got justice in the end - Hes the one and only Roman general mentioned in the Italian Anthem today - Ask any italian - they know the name Scipio

  • @AndromedaPrima
    @AndromedaPrima 4 роки тому +3

    We can all agree that Namidian cavalries are the one who win this war.
    When on hannibal side, they overwhelm the romans enabling them to carry out encirclement plans like at trebia and cannae
    When on scipio side, they are they key to his victory at zama

    • @jaaackaissa1633
      @jaaackaissa1633 2 роки тому

      Being one of Nomidin's grandchildren made me feel proud and happy.
      Thank you, unfortunately, the role of Nomidin and King Masinissa has been marginalized.

  • @davidcrouch7365
    @davidcrouch7365 5 років тому +1

    Very good video. For anyone interested, Adrian Goldsworthy has an excellent book, The Punic Wars.

  • @Argos-xb8ek
    @Argos-xb8ek 5 років тому +3

    Hannibal lost soo much in this whole campaign his brother, his original carthaginian men, and his eye. I believe his soul was crushed after these losses.

  • @celtofcanaanesurix2245
    @celtofcanaanesurix2245 5 років тому

    wow, I knew about the war, and the history of it, but not all of these details, and it seems like the most amazingly dramatic events in history

  • @saritar1000
    @saritar1000 4 роки тому +5

    Hannibal, Scipio, and Erwin Rommel. All three have very similar stories.

  • @silentprince01
    @silentprince01 5 років тому +1

    Wow, I have heard this story many times, but I never knew what happened to them after. What a tragedy, two men serving their country to their greatest ability, both men hated for doing too good. Wow.

  • @xmaniac99
    @xmaniac99 6 років тому +16

    Great vid; but the pronunciation of Cannae is bit woodie (as in Holliewoodie)

    • @canemcave
      @canemcave 6 років тому +14

      the pronunciation of velites is even worse

    • @pagola
      @pagola 5 років тому +1

      at least he tried..appreciate the effort

  • @dukeman7595
    @dukeman7595 4 роки тому +1

    Well done; and enjoyed

  • @rayanhey2411
    @rayanhey2411 6 років тому +10

    Amazing!!!!

  • @ma.rlene4566
    @ma.rlene4566 5 років тому

    This video was so helpful I used it to prep. for a exam👍👍

  • @domcasmurro2417
    @domcasmurro2417 5 років тому +5

    Just a point: patria is not exactly country. Patria is fatherland or motherland.

  • @mattclements1348
    @mattclements1348 5 років тому

    That was in depth.best video on zamma i have ever seen

  • @onuscronus984
    @onuscronus984 6 років тому +98

    Rome burned Carthage and then they salted the earth.

    • @براہمداغ
      @براہمداغ 6 років тому +38

      Wrong. Urban Legend.

    • @hazzmati
      @hazzmati 6 років тому +23

      No they didn't. Infact Carthage was rebuilt by the romans after it was burned down

    • @markusfus1672
      @markusfus1672 6 років тому +10

      but few decades later..

    • @FlashPointHx
      @FlashPointHx 6 років тому +38

      No salt - just a myth. No archaeological evidence to support it. It was Julius Caesar who re-founded Carthage 100 Years after the end of the 3rd Punic War ended. Then it was destroyed in 698 AD during the Arab Conquest

    • @sacredband7089
      @sacredband7089 5 років тому +3

      Thats a fabrication. Where do they get all the salt for that?

  • @levon30
    @levon30 5 років тому +2

    Such an amazing ending!

  • @KeithShuler
    @KeithShuler 6 років тому +16

    Saw the video already at Flash Point. Nice strategy tho.

    • @EpimetheusHistory
      @EpimetheusHistory  6 років тому +7

      yeah! trying to send some more subs his way :)
      He has a top-notch channel, great guy to collaborate with

    • @GerryBolger
      @GerryBolger 6 років тому +2

      Keith Shuler I saw it too. Regardless, it's a great video. I never knew about Scipio's headstone and how he basically got shafted for being too good. When I hear stuff like that I wonder how Rome managed to be the dominant world superpower for the next half milennium. Scipio should have been given every honour possible for saving the Republic. Ungrateful fuckers...

    • @KeithShuler
      @KeithShuler 6 років тому

      Epimetheus You both create outstanding vids...keep it up!

    • @KeithShuler
      @KeithShuler 6 років тому +1

      GerryBolger Crazy right? I never knew that about Scipio either. Sources do say he was very arrogant. I guess when you know what you're doing and very confident people will hate on you...regardless.

  • @Leo_1975
    @Leo_1975 5 років тому

    Congratulations from Brazil !!!

  • @sami.b4367
    @sami.b4367 6 років тому +6

    Is this a movie? If not how is it not?!!! It would be an amazing movie

    • @FlashPointHx
      @FlashPointHx 6 років тому +1

      I know right? Netflix mini series for sure

    • @TuNGamerOn
      @TuNGamerOn 6 років тому +1

      Never knew why carthage and hannibal never got their chance in hollywood, we came close in 2012 with triology dream with vin diesel as Hannibal but it was forever delayed until now :/

    • @fatihsaidduran
      @fatihsaidduran 5 років тому +1

      @@TuNGamerOn For what political or national reason is there to put Hannibal under scope? He was a person that showed how your own state can betray you. No one at least till this point has ever thought of valuing such peoples lives. If there are any that like such people, it's most likely for the hatred for Rome. I should say tho, I'm looking forward for such a worthy movie for the legendary Hannibal in the future.

    • @thdoom81
      @thdoom81 5 років тому

      @@fatihsaidduran did he value their lives? he let his obssesion with Rome keep him playing hide and seek in Rome as scipio took down his powerbase in spain and carthage....and his attack on Rome only gave the romans more resolve to completely destroy Carthage

  • @recolinotyu
    @recolinotyu Рік тому

    Superior cavalry just seemed so goddamn important, it almost always predicts the outcome of the battlle

  • @l3anditor
    @l3anditor 6 років тому +12

    Skippy O

  • @fredhayes6162
    @fredhayes6162 3 роки тому

    Excellent! Thank you

  • @firemasterx23
    @firemasterx23 6 років тому +6

    11:21 Stalin order in the ancient world

  • @nynxoscuro3868
    @nynxoscuro3868 3 роки тому

    I just listened to Scipio and Hannibal's conversation before the battle on Voices of the Past

  • @bwoah525
    @bwoah525 5 років тому +11

    Absolutely butchered most of the latin words, but great video anyway

  • @niranjanjose9852
    @niranjanjose9852 4 роки тому

    Amazing job guys 🙌

  • @joelciantar347
    @joelciantar347 5 років тому +3

    Damn Hannibal got jumped in the back by cavalry that use to be his

    • @sunnyjim1355
      @sunnyjim1355 4 роки тому +1

      That's what can happen when you don't give the respect to those who deserve it - so Hannibal deserved it.

    • @klikner4142
      @klikner4142 4 роки тому +2

      @@sunnyjim1355 bro what? He definitely gave respect, the only reason the Numidian Calvary switched sides was because Masinissa thought Rome had a better chance of winning, therefore granting him his throne.

  • @JustMe-ob3nw
    @JustMe-ob3nw 4 роки тому

    Incredible loss of life... so much we are still talking about it thousands of years later...

  • @mikehipps1015
    @mikehipps1015 3 роки тому +3

    Hannibal won three battles in a row using the same, at the time brilliant and innovative, tactics. Once someone realized what was going on, and lived to tell someone about it, he was crushed repeatedly.
    He was an innovator but definitely not a strategic genius.

  • @sicksideworldwide1599
    @sicksideworldwide1599 6 років тому

    thank you for the history lesson very informative

  • @thearchitect27
    @thearchitect27 6 років тому +8

    Hannibal is the father of strategy!

    • @neutronalchemist3241
      @neutronalchemist3241 6 років тому +5

      More Pyrrhus is. He wrote several books on military science, unfortunately all lost, on which the same Hannibal studied.

    • @thdoom81
      @thdoom81 5 років тому +2

      @Legio XXI Rapax.nonsense.you only say that because you are italian and european and hate the fact that Hannibal from north africa taught Rome how to fight and gave them strategy...and he did it with a mercenary army....ALL the men you mentioned had citizen soldiers...big difference..fabius only mitigated and reduced barca effectiveness by using delaying tactics...he never "defeated" him as you put it..infact the romans thought his methods were cowardice ....Hannibal made Rome the empire they were...

    • @liamjm9278
      @liamjm9278 5 років тому

      Sun Tzu would like a word with you.

    • @kikebautista2110
      @kikebautista2110 5 років тому

      @@liamjm9278 Difficult, when in reality we still dont now if he really existed, or the guy from whom that figure is based did indeed wrote all of that, well, the last part is confirmed, that manual was not written by one man.

    • @alessiovona9944
      @alessiovona9944 5 років тому

      @@thdoom81 don't say nonsense

  • @menaseven9093
    @menaseven9093 5 років тому +1

    The Battle of Zama was a battle between two great generals the Carthaginian Hannibal and the Roman Scipio and two great armies. The Numidian cavalry of Massinissa allied with the Romans attacking the Carthaginian army in the back make the difference and help the Romans win the war. I think Ancient warfare was more interesting then modern warfare because it was base on hand battle, tactic and strategy as oppose to modern warfare that is base on projectile weapons and technology.

    • @emperorpalpatine6080
      @emperorpalpatine6080 5 років тому

      you can't win any battle without using good strategy , and tactics.
      either ancient warfare or modern warfare.
      unless you are extremely lucky and the forces you are fighting are idiots

  • @charlesferdinand422
    @charlesferdinand422 5 років тому +4

    ROMA VICTOR!

  • @Will-Parr
    @Will-Parr 4 роки тому

    Excellent