@@ronaldderooij1774 Why close the curtains when it's already dark. The curtains are there to prevent light coming in in the morning. Unless nakedness is happening of course XD
Dutch directness means you can keep moving forward, efficiency is key. If you have to wait 6 months for a job interview to finally go like "You've been calling us for 6 months now, please stop calling" instead of flat out saying no, it means you've not been moving forward this entire time.
As a Scotsman, you should know that what is always touted as “Britishness” is almost always upper-middle-class south of England manners. Manners and politeness are often used for passive-aggression or insult in that section of society, too. It is what gave birth to management-speak bullshittery. Plenty of the rest of Britain isn’t so polite, is more direct. Unfortunately, the dominant class has convinced the rest of the population to teach their children management-speak.
I get what you are saying, even with that taken into account, Dutch directness is still much more direct. Here it's normal if your manager proposing something that his subordinates think is not good, it will be said straight to his face, in unambiguous language. That basically how we operate, because that is the basis for the discussion that will then take place and hopefully a better solution is found for the problem that the manager what's to fix.
@@DT-wp4hk No, management-speak is not the same thing as the right wing dubbed “politically correct”; which is either (a) just being courteous, like calling people by the name they choose instead of denigrating words that bullies like, or (b) made up by the Daily Mail or the Sun to bait you, but not in fact being used. Management speak is fundamentally dishonest: like saying, “We're streamlining operations” when the truth is, “our new executive wants to look like an effective “new broom”, so we’re firing a ton of people so next quarter’s wage bill will be lower. By the time their colleagues collapse from taking over another full time job, and productivity dwindles, he’ll have that to brag about when he moves onward and upward with some other corporation”.
Say what you mean and if you don't mean it, don't say it. Dutch communication is (mostly) as simple as that. And our social & hierarchical structure l/norms are different too. I won't think twice about speaking out against my boss/employer if it's in the best interest (and it's doesn't make him/her look like a fool in public), they're hiring/paying me for my expert opinion, aren't they ?
I agree, but the second part of your comment also really comes down to where you work for. If it’s a really big company and you got one of the lower spots on the hierarchy you’re probably hired just for a task and not an “expert opinion”, but even then you can indeed recommend improvements around your task, I’m going against my own argument already. 😆👌🏼
Yeah or just say it as neutral as you can. There is a differnce between being honest and being truly blunt. Like if you don't like it you can say I personaly don't like it or thats the most hideous thing ive seen. But yes for outsiders never push a dutch persone if he doesn't answer on an opnion question thats, ussualy him or her being polite about not wanting to voice a negative. So if you push there is a good change you get a perfectly razor sharp assesments about all the things that are wrong.
Before retirement I had to travel abroad. For a European country I planned 1 - 2 days, for an Asian country I had to consider 1 week to get business done.
The coworking commenting on the guy's hair was either a joke, or actually a bit rude. We will generally comment on your looks, but a rule of thumb: if they can't fix it on the spot, best not to point it out. Body odor can be tricky, especially at work. I've subtly (one on one conversation) offered some deodorant to coworkers before. But yeah, pointing out someone's fly of their pants is open is very common. It happens to everyone at some point, so we consider it more polite to say something than let them walk around looking silly. (Not everyone will point things out, and some are more subtle about it than others.)
I recently found out there is a word in the Merriam Webster dictionary about blunt dutch people called Dutch uncle 😂 Dutch uncle noun : one who admonishes sternly and bluntly
It appears there is a difference in how people relate to their uncle overall. To me uncles were always not so easy to please, not your cuddly best friend who was always nice.
The only situation I've seen Dutch people beat around the bush in is when it's time for visitors to leave their house (either because they can't prepare dinner for that many people or just because it's late or whatever)
Very interesting, and relevant. I ran training for managers and executives all over Western Europe, the Nordic countries and England for 30 years. I like the Dutch style, at least I know where I stand! But I did get caught out by the "You must come to dinner" manner, we weren't welcome at all! One Dutchman I've had to defend on Formula One sites is Max Verstappen! He is too direct for English fans, and of course they nearly all think that the British way is the right way!
It's also not just the Dutch, but also the Germans, Belgians and French that can be quite direct. It's actually a bit more strange that the British are not.
Just look at Max Verstappen. He's getting a lot of criticism when he speaks. But it's direct and honest. That's Dutch directness. It can be called rude but he is correct. The English bias against him is terrible! I love his directness and honesty when they go against him.
I didn't know this is typical Dutch ( I'm Dutch) until a few years ago. And it is often a problem ( for oversensitive people who are "offended" on behalve of other people) when I react to a video. I allways try to say it in a nice way, but if you are building/making crap or wasting time, I think that one must be able to point out facts, and if you have problems with facts don't upload videos. Most of the time when one sees that something is crap it's nice that one can explain why, and offer an alternative solution. There are a lot of modern young snowflakes around on YT who don't understand ( yet) that after working for 40 years you gain some experience in a few things.
Dutch directness is often misunderstood. Walter from the channel Walter's World once said "The Dutch are very direct, they will just ask you why you are fat! - This is not Dutch directness. This was a rude person 😂
thing is, when using so many words you are going to slowwwwwwwwww haha. The extreme politeness is often useless cause people dont mean it anyway. Better to say whatever you want to say and be done with it. CHEEEEERSSSS Btw, most people dont walk around naked. We leave that for the crazies
I think this is more a failure by the British to understand how different they are in general just because the British have become much more like the Dutch in the past 50 years, that's why they get surprised by such differences. The equality, egalitarianism, the upward social mobility of post WWII Britain have shaped the Netherlands for hundreds of years, just like the lack of prudishness, while British communication and manners were shaped by a very classist society.
Personally, I see indirect communication, or overly polite communication as dishonest. Just say what you mean to say, don't beat around the bush and waste my time.
The BBC has decided for a century what “Britishness” is to be and what impression the rest of the world is given of Britain. Like, “Brits are polite.” Which is how that small percentage see themselves. The BBC is to this day still “owned” and led by social class A and run by social class B. C get to do the football commentary, the technical jobs and low-level office stuff. D work in the (contracted-out) canteens, cleaning and security. You have an excellent chance of sussing what kind of job someone does at White City just by their class accent. The Beeb had a total monopoly over all broadcasting in Britain until the 1950, and a total monopoly on TV broadcasting until the 1970s. They were dominated by the people who went to the major baording schools like Eton, and then Oxford/Cambridge. Those were the vast majority of people who then owned and managed the new independent broadcasting entities, one per region. They still got some public money, especially for news. The BBC is now mostly just a commissioning agency but its policymaking and upper management dominated by the 7% of people who went to fee-paying schools.
Been to the UK plenty of times and trust me the Dutch are way more direct overall. It's true that a lot of english aren't that polite (so aren't a lot of dutch people) But the Britts all have that ingrained inderctleness to some extend.
6:48 I thought we leave the curtains open for some daylight, not for peeping Toms.. guess i have been doing it all wrong
no it was more like you have nothing to hide
Yes because many people also leave the curtains open after dark. That is very unusual in many countries.
@@ronaldderooij1774 Why close the curtains when it's already dark. The curtains are there to prevent light coming in in the morning. Unless nakedness is happening of course XD
Dutch directness means you can keep moving forward, efficiency is key. If you have to wait 6 months for a job interview to finally go like "You've been calling us for 6 months now, please stop calling" instead of flat out saying no, it means you've not been moving forward this entire time.
As a Scotsman, you should know that what is always touted as “Britishness” is almost always upper-middle-class south of England manners. Manners and politeness are often used for passive-aggression or insult in that section of society, too. It is what gave birth to management-speak bullshittery.
Plenty of the rest of Britain isn’t so polite, is more direct. Unfortunately, the dominant class has convinced the rest of the population to teach their children management-speak.
I get what you are saying, even with that taken into account, Dutch directness is still much more direct. Here it's normal if your manager proposing something that his subordinates think is not good, it will be said straight to his face, in unambiguous language. That basically how we operate, because that is the basis for the discussion that will then take place and hopefully a better solution is found for the problem that the manager what's to fix.
Politically correctness
@@DT-wp4hk No, management-speak is not the same thing as the right wing dubbed “politically correct”; which is either (a) just being courteous, like calling people by the name they choose instead of denigrating words that bullies like, or (b) made up by the Daily Mail or the Sun to bait you, but not in fact being used.
Management speak is fundamentally dishonest: like saying, “We're streamlining operations” when the truth is, “our new executive wants to look like an effective “new broom”, so we’re firing a ton of people so next quarter’s wage bill will be lower. By the time their colleagues collapse from taking over another full time job, and productivity dwindles, he’ll have that to brag about when he moves onward and upward with some other corporation”.
Say what you mean and if you don't mean it, don't say it. Dutch communication is (mostly) as simple as that. And our social & hierarchical structure l/norms are different too. I won't think twice about speaking out against my boss/employer if it's in the best interest (and it's doesn't make him/her look like a fool in public), they're hiring/paying me for my expert opinion, aren't they ?
I agree, but the second part of your comment also really comes down to where you work for.
If it’s a really big company and you got one of the lower spots on the hierarchy you’re probably hired just for a task and not an “expert opinion”, but even then you can indeed recommend improvements around your task, I’m going against my own argument already. 😆👌🏼
I do not always say what I mean, in those cases i dont want to offend I say nothing instead of telling a lie
Yeah or just say it as neutral as you can. There is a differnce between being honest and being truly blunt. Like if you don't like it you can say I personaly don't like it or thats the most hideous thing ive seen. But yes for outsiders never push a dutch persone if he doesn't answer on an opnion question thats, ussualy him or her being polite about not wanting to voice a negative. So if you push there is a good change you get a perfectly razor sharp assesments about all the things that are wrong.
@@arturobianco848 If I find sometrhing ugly, I would indeed say nothing or that it is a bold choice or special/acquired taste
Before retirement I had to travel abroad. For a European country I planned 1 - 2 days, for an Asian country I had to consider 1 week to get business done.
The coworking commenting on the guy's hair was either a joke, or actually a bit rude. We will generally comment on your looks, but a rule of thumb: if they can't fix it on the spot, best not to point it out. Body odor can be tricky, especially at work. I've subtly (one on one conversation) offered some deodorant to coworkers before. But yeah, pointing out someone's fly of their pants is open is very common. It happens to everyone at some point, so we consider it more polite to say something than let them walk around looking silly. (Not everyone will point things out, and some are more subtle about it than others.)
I recently found out there is a word in the Merriam Webster dictionary about blunt dutch people called Dutch uncle 😂
Dutch uncle
noun
: one who admonishes sternly and bluntly
essentially someone who does not lie
It appears there is a difference in how people relate to their uncle overall. To me uncles were always not so easy to please, not your cuddly best friend who was always nice.
The only situation I've seen Dutch people beat around the bush in is when it's time for visitors to leave their house (either because they can't prepare dinner for that many people or just because it's late or whatever)
Very interesting, and relevant. I ran training for managers and executives all over Western Europe, the Nordic countries and England for 30 years.
I like the Dutch style, at least I know where I stand!
But I did get caught out by the "You must come to dinner" manner, we weren't welcome at all!
One Dutchman I've had to defend on Formula One sites is Max Verstappen! He is too direct for English fans, and of course they nearly all think that the British way is the right way!
We’re direct because we like to be honest.
It's also not just the Dutch, but also the Germans, Belgians and French that can be quite direct. It's actually a bit more strange that the British are not.
Royalty and politics.
The Dutch have royalty and politics as well…!
Yeah but we are a bit more direct on more things then our neighbours.
Serf mentality
Belgians are not direct at all. People from Limburg are not direct either.
We leave the curtains open to show people the helicopter, nothing else.
Just look at Max Verstappen. He's getting a lot of criticism when he speaks. But it's direct and honest. That's Dutch directness. It can be called rude but he is correct. The English bias against him is terrible! I love his directness and honesty when they go against him.
I didn't know this is typical Dutch ( I'm Dutch) until a few years ago.
And it is often a problem ( for oversensitive people who are "offended" on behalve of other people) when I react to a video.
I allways try to say it in a nice way, but if you are building/making crap or wasting time, I think that one must be able to point out facts,
and if you have problems with facts don't upload videos.
Most of the time when one sees that something is crap it's nice that one can explain why, and offer an alternative solution.
There are a lot of modern young snowflakes around on YT who don't understand ( yet) that after working for 40 years you
gain some experience in a few things.
Dutch directness is often misunderstood. Walter from the channel Walter's World once said "The Dutch are very direct, they will just ask you why you are fat! - This is not Dutch directness. This was a rude person 😂
thing is, when using so many words you are going to slowwwwwwwwww haha. The extreme politeness is often useless cause people dont mean it anyway. Better to say whatever you want to say and be done with it. CHEEEEERSSSS Btw, most people dont walk around naked. We leave that for the crazies
pls react to a Defqon1 endshow, you will love it
I think this is more a failure by the British to understand how different they are in general just because the British have become much more like the Dutch in the past 50 years, that's why they get surprised by such differences. The equality, egalitarianism, the upward social mobility of post WWII Britain have shaped the Netherlands for hundreds of years, just like the lack of prudishness, while British communication and manners were shaped by a very classist society.
Nice channel
Personally, I see indirect communication, or overly polite communication as dishonest. Just say what you mean to say, don't beat around the bush and waste my time.
Iam dutch
Dutch Directness? Speak with people from Israel or Germany.
Holy shit. I’m early
The BBC has decided for a century what “Britishness” is to be and what impression the rest of the world is given of Britain. Like, “Brits are polite.” Which is how that small percentage see themselves.
The BBC is to this day still “owned” and led by social class A and run by social class B.
C get to do the football commentary, the technical jobs and low-level office stuff.
D work in the (contracted-out) canteens, cleaning and security. You have an excellent chance of sussing what kind of job someone does at White City just by their class accent.
The Beeb had a total monopoly over all broadcasting in Britain until the 1950, and a total monopoly on TV broadcasting until the 1970s. They were dominated by the people who went to the major baording schools like Eton, and then Oxford/Cambridge. Those were the vast majority of people who then owned and managed the new independent broadcasting entities, one per region. They still got some public money, especially for news. The BBC is now mostly just a commissioning agency but its policymaking and upper management dominated by the 7% of people who went to fee-paying schools.
Been to the UK plenty of times and trust me the Dutch are way more direct overall. It's true that a lot of english aren't that polite (so aren't a lot of dutch people) But the Britts all have that ingrained inderctleness to some extend.
Savile the standard
@@DT-wp4hk Saville was a devious beast, but he was not at all noted for being polite.