Thank you so much! I'm just starting this process. My grandfather came over i think in the 20's. I understand was adopted and had a name change, This may present a challenge.
Thank you gentlemen; very helpful information! My question is regarding naturalization. My great grandfather never fully naturalized, however he filed two Declarations of Intention - one prior to my grandfather's birth in the late 1800's and one thereafter (presumedly, he never followed through on the first one before it expired). Both declarations clearly contain language regarding his having taken a sworn oath in open court and his signature forgoing all allegiance to foreign powers including the King of Italy. Based on the grammatical context of both, I think it could be argued in either direction that these are either (1) actual oaths swearing off his allegiance in the then present context -or- (2) a promise to do so upon completion of the naturalization process at a later date. Everything I have read seems to indicate that the only thing that matters is the date and oath at the time of the full and complete naturalization. Marco seems to indicate that the oath is a key element, so any clarification on this topic is appreciated. Does anyone have a similar situation? If so, what was the interpretation by the Consulate? Thank you for any information!
Very interesting I’d love to know the answer. It seems like this is a great example of something that would be helpful to know before going further into the process. I have declaration files (not the actual papers) from ancestry.com..they were from 1899, which would suggest my ancestor probably naturalized before my grandmother was born in 1920, but just like your situation I can’t be sure yet. I don’t want to go through the entire years long process with uscì (?) just to find out if he naturalized. Wish there was a slightly more efficient way!
On the 3rd "page" of the Naturalization papers on Ancestry, there is a section halfway down, that says "Naturalization Approved" with your Grandfather's signature and the date. This is the very last of, I think, 4 total signatures, by him. Immediately following his signature, is the "Naturalization DENIED", which is so close to the above section, it ALMOST appears that they were denied. (I'm telling you this as a roadmap, if you will, of the form) The 1st page is his info and the "expectations" the United States has of him, such as he is 'moral, not a polygamist, etc..', the second page should have repetitive info in the top half, and info about your grandmother and any children they had at this point, their first names, birth date, if they were born here or Italy and where are they currently living. These 1st & 2nd pages will have a different date than the 3rd page, which I described above. IF your grandfather went thru with the naturalization, his signature will be on the 3rd page with the date written and typed. Hope that helps! Maria Castagna-Sborlini
@@michellemaria1360this was so helpful to me. Thanks Maria for sharing!! Would you put the links to be able to find out if my great grandfather went trough the end of the naturalization process?
Can you please advise on the 1912 Rule? Is that an absolute deal-breaker or can you petition the courts? Situation is grandfather emigrated in 1899, had his son in 1909, became a US Citizen in 1910. Thank you!
They was no declaration from my father before he did. My father was Italian and my mother Nigeria. So now, dose that mean I can never get the Italian passport, since I don’t have any other documents, because my parents never got married. That made me born out of wedlock. So ?
14:00 - Excellent point about paternity being irrelevant when a line exists through the mother. There's not much doubt about the "maternity" of the child born to a female ancestor, at least in the 19th century. :) For me, not only does the maternal line solve the problem of the father's untimely naturalization; it also alleviates the problem of a missing official marriage record from 1880s New Hampshire. Fortunately, the child's birth record is solid.
Do you all discuss the special rule pertaining to Friuli Venezia Giulia? I'm trying to find out if it applies to my GGF from Ragogna, Udine who emigrated in 1912
Hi my wonderful first cousin had received her Italian duel citizenship.And she made copies of all the documents she acquired. Can I go to a consulate here in NYC with these copies of documents
My father moved to the United States in 1951 from Magnanella, Province of Teramo, Abruzzo, Italy 64100, where he was born in 1932. He never filed for American citizenship, so I'm confused about the "Naturalization" papers. You stress that having these papers is of utmost importance. So, am I required to prove he DIDN'T apply for American Naturalization? Or is this a step I don't have to worry about? Grazie, Maria Castagna-Sborlini
Good morning sirs! Does the Italian Citizenship Assistance offer a “Turnkey Service” in acquiring Italian Citizenship ? Please let me know as I would be interested in getting it done :)
My paternal GGF died when my Nonna was a young girl, he was never naturalized, however her mother was naturalized after his death. Is citizenship passed only through a paternal line? Interestingly, I came across a record of my Nonna’s birth, and 3 of her brother’s birth records (on the Antenati website)in her parents home town- But they were all born here in the US. My father says it was because they had intentions to return home. I was also informed that my mom’s father automatically denounced his Italian citizenship when he fought for the US during WWI, would this be correct?
My great grandfather was born in Italy however my grand father was born in Canada and my father born in US Does this mean I do not qualify because grandfather was born in Canada and not US???
Both my Nonno and my father got divorced, but my line is from the first marriages in both instances. Do i still need to provide divorce documents? As the second marriages have nothing to do with my birth/italian descent. Thanks!
Thank you for this video and all of your help! I have some questions regarding US marriage certificates vs. licenses: My consulate's application page asks for both marriage certificates AND licenses. What is the difference between the two? I previously believed marriage certificates were the Church documents and licenses were the City/County court/clerk's record, but one request I made at the City clerk for a license actually yielded a certificate. Also, is it possible for a marriage certificate from the church to be apostilled? Is there really a difference between certificates and license, or can a certified original of the marriage certificate from the City/County clerk's office suffice?
My Philadelphia consulate is asking for this too. Maybe the same consulate as you. I asked the county about it, who sent me the marriage certificate. The woman working was kind of like...”ha..Um.. no? The license is not something we have..it would be in the possession of the people who got married” .. like in other words I think she was trying to tell me that you can’t reorder a copy of the license. So I’m still very confused about what Philadelphia wants. Have you found any answers you can share?
Hello sir can you please help us with our process ? I applied for citizenship in 2007 but lost the file and related info and went to india. Is there any way I can get any information because when I came back, immigration officer said it is showing Italian in the system. Plzz help in this matter
I am going to do this through my grandpa who is still alive do I just need his birth certificate from Italy ?? Like what other stuff do I need to get. I am trying to get this done before I finish high school Which is in 3 years from now
What if I can't extract the certificat non-naturalization of my great grand father ? because in that periode my country " algeria " was in war with france.
What if your grandfather was born in Italy and had an Italian grandfather but was considered a US citizen because his mother was a US citizen and moved to US at age 4
You go back to the last Italian born in Italy and has an Italian birth certificate. The line of decent is then passed onto the next generation. Claim citizenship from the Italian Grandfather providing the next generation was born before any voluntary naturalization. He had to voluntary take the oath of allegiance to the US in order to break the line of descent.
@@bertiepinchera3940 His father moved to the US around when my grandpa was 12. And became a citizen (idk when) but I believe before my grandfather turned 21. Is it still possible
Man this is going to be difficult for me -Mother born in Malaysia (no Italian decent). -Her first husband was Italian - married prior to 1983 so my mother lost her Malaysian citizenship and became Italian automatically. She had a daughter during the marriage. Lived in Italy for around 2 years before my older half-sister was born. She changed her last name to her Italian husband's name (her Maiden name is the last name I'm using online although it isn't my legal last name). -Divorced her Italian husband before I was born. -In 1994 I was born to a British father - I only have British citizenship. -My mother married my British father in 1998/99 - she changed her last name again, to my father's. -She naturalised as British in 2001 but still has Italian citizenship. This whole process is going to be expensive and time consuming for me haha!
It’s crazy how people with barely any Italian resemblance or namesake can get citizenship. That’s wild. At least I look Italian and have an Italian name even tho it’s my great grandparent who was the last to live there.. I’m an American btw
Thank you so much for the video! I'm reaching out to the y'all to help with the process!
Thank you so much! I'm just starting this process. My grandfather came over i think in the 20's. I understand was adopted and had a name change, This may present a challenge.
When is the next available consultation? It looks like no days in July or August 2024.
Thank you gentlemen; very helpful information! My question is regarding naturalization. My great grandfather never fully naturalized, however he filed two Declarations of Intention - one prior to my grandfather's birth in the late 1800's and one thereafter (presumedly, he never followed through on the first one before it expired). Both declarations clearly contain language regarding his having taken a sworn oath in open court and his signature forgoing all allegiance to foreign powers including the King of Italy. Based on the grammatical context of both, I think it could be argued in either direction that these are either (1) actual oaths swearing off his allegiance in the then present context -or- (2) a promise to do so upon completion of the naturalization process at a later date. Everything I have read seems to indicate that the only thing that matters is the date and oath at the time of the full and complete naturalization. Marco seems to indicate that the oath is a key element, so any clarification on this topic is appreciated. Does anyone have a similar situation? If so, what was the interpretation by the Consulate? Thank you for any information!
Very interesting I’d love to know the answer. It seems like this is a great example of something that would be helpful to know before going further into the process. I have declaration files (not the actual papers) from ancestry.com..they were from 1899, which would suggest my ancestor probably naturalized before my grandmother was born in 1920, but just like your situation I can’t be sure yet. I don’t want to go through the entire years long process with uscì (?) just to find out if he naturalized. Wish there was a slightly more efficient way!
On the 3rd "page" of the Naturalization papers on Ancestry, there is a section halfway down, that says "Naturalization Approved" with your Grandfather's signature and the date. This is the very last of, I think, 4 total signatures, by him.
Immediately following his signature, is the "Naturalization DENIED", which is so close to the above section, it ALMOST appears that they were denied. (I'm telling you this as a roadmap, if you will, of the form)
The 1st page is his info and the "expectations" the United States has of him, such as he is 'moral, not a polygamist, etc..', the second page should have repetitive info in the top half, and info about your grandmother and any children they had at this point, their first names, birth date, if they were born here or Italy and where are they currently living. These 1st & 2nd pages will have a different date than the 3rd page, which I described above.
IF your grandfather went thru with the naturalization, his signature will be on the 3rd page with the date written and typed.
Hope that helps!
Maria Castagna-Sborlini
@@michellemaria1360this was so helpful to me. Thanks Maria for sharing!! Would you put the links to be able to find out if my great grandfather went trough the end of the naturalization process?
Can you please advise on the 1912 Rule? Is that an absolute deal-breaker or can you petition the courts? Situation is grandfather emigrated in 1899, had his son in 1909, became a US Citizen in 1910. Thank you!
They was no declaration from my father before he did. My father was Italian and my mother Nigeria. So now, dose that mean I can never get the Italian passport, since I don’t have any other documents, because my parents never got married. That made me born out of wedlock. So ?
14:00 - Excellent point about paternity being irrelevant when a line exists through the mother. There's not much doubt about the "maternity" of the child born to a female ancestor, at least in the 19th century. :) For me, not only does the maternal line solve the problem of the father's untimely naturalization; it also alleviates the problem of a missing official marriage record from 1880s New Hampshire. Fortunately, the child's birth record is solid.
Do you all discuss the special rule pertaining to Friuli Venezia Giulia? I'm trying to find out if it applies to my GGF from Ragogna, Udine who emigrated in 1912
Is there a place to go if the birth certificate is lost? From the actual office in the town.
Hi my wonderful first cousin had received her Italian duel citizenship.And she made copies of all the documents she acquired.
Can I go to a consulate here in NYC with these copies of documents
Are the copies photocopies or certified originals?
How long does it take Italy to verify the letter that the USA gives you about your father not naturalizing ?
My father moved to the United States in 1951 from Magnanella, Province of Teramo, Abruzzo, Italy 64100, where he was born in 1932. He never filed for American citizenship, so I'm confused about the "Naturalization" papers. You stress that having these papers is of utmost importance. So, am I required to prove he DIDN'T apply for American Naturalization? Or is this a step I don't have to worry about?
Grazie,
Maria Castagna-Sborlini
Question: Do you need divorce records from you parents if you were born prior to their divorce?
Good morning sirs! Does the Italian Citizenship Assistance offer a “Turnkey Service” in acquiring Italian Citizenship ? Please let me know as I would be interested in getting it done :)
Hello! Please contact us at info@italiancitizenshipassistance.com for more info
My paternal GGF died when my Nonna was a young girl, he was never naturalized, however her mother was naturalized after his death. Is citizenship passed only through a paternal line?
Interestingly, I came across a record of my Nonna’s birth, and 3 of her brother’s birth records (on the Antenati website)in her parents home town- But they were all born here in the US. My father says it was because they had intentions to return home.
I was also informed that my mom’s father automatically denounced his Italian citizenship when he fought for the US during WWI, would this be correct?
My great grandfather was born in Italy however my grand father was born in Canada and my father born in US
Does this mean I do not qualify because grandfather was born in Canada and not US???
Both my Nonno and my father got divorced, but my line is from the first marriages in both instances. Do i still need to provide divorce documents? As the second marriages have nothing to do with my birth/italian descent. Thanks!
Yes. I have a family member who is required to show all relevant doc's Ask your Consulate what they need from you.
Thank you for this video and all of your help!
I have some questions regarding US marriage certificates vs. licenses:
My consulate's application page asks for both marriage certificates AND licenses. What is the difference between the two? I previously believed marriage certificates were the Church documents and licenses were the City/County court/clerk's record, but one request I made at the City clerk for a license actually yielded a certificate. Also, is it possible for a marriage certificate from the church to be apostilled? Is there really a difference between certificates and license, or can a certified original of the marriage certificate from the City/County clerk's office suffice?
My Philadelphia consulate is asking for this too. Maybe the same consulate as you. I asked the county about it, who sent me the marriage certificate. The woman working was kind of like...”ha..Um.. no? The license is not something we have..it would be in the possession of the people who got married” .. like in other words I think she was trying to tell me that you can’t reorder a copy of the license. So I’m still very confused about what Philadelphia wants. Have you found any answers you can share?
How do I get these documents is the real question
Hello sir can you please help us with our process ? I applied for citizenship in 2007 but lost the file and related info and went to india. Is there any way I can get any information because when I came back, immigration officer said it is showing Italian in the system. Plzz help in this matter
I am going to do this through my grandpa who is still alive do I just need his birth certificate from Italy ?? Like what other stuff do I need to get. I am trying to get this done before I finish high school Which is in 3 years from now
What if I can't extract the certificat non-naturalization of my great grand father ? because in that periode my country " algeria " was in war with france.
These Podcasts are very helpful: Question: If my Ancestor is still alive (father) and he does not care to become Italian, Can I still apply ?
No. The generation can't be skipped but you can proceed when he passes on.
I’m Canadian with two Italian citizen parents.
How does one go about translating documents? Specifically my Canadian birth certificate?
your Italian consulate
I'm a US citizen but was born in italy,
How do I get dual citizenship?
one of your parents needs to be italian.
What if your grandfather was born in Italy and had an Italian grandfather but was considered a US citizen because his mother was a US citizen and moved to US at age 4
You go back to the last Italian born in Italy and has an Italian birth certificate. The line of decent is then passed onto the next generation. Claim citizenship from the Italian Grandfather providing the next generation was born before any voluntary naturalization. He had to voluntary take the oath of allegiance to the US in order to break the line of descent.
@@bertiepinchera3940 His father moved to the US around when my grandpa was 12. And became a citizen (idk when) but I believe before my grandfather turned 21. Is it still possible
Man this is going to be difficult for me
-Mother born in Malaysia (no Italian decent).
-Her first husband was Italian - married prior to 1983 so my mother lost her Malaysian citizenship and became Italian automatically. She had a daughter during the marriage. Lived in Italy for around 2 years before my older half-sister was born. She changed her last name to her Italian husband's name (her Maiden name is the last name I'm using online although it isn't my legal last name).
-Divorced her Italian husband before I was born.
-In 1994 I was born to a British father - I only have British citizenship.
-My mother married my British father in 1998/99 - she changed her last name again, to my father's.
-She naturalised as British in 2001 but still has Italian citizenship.
This whole process is going to be expensive and time consuming for me haha!
21:47
It’s crazy how people with barely any Italian resemblance or namesake can get citizenship. That’s wild. At least I look Italian and have an Italian name even tho it’s my great grandparent who was the last to live there.. I’m an American btw
Look Italian? What an Italian look like in your opinion?
Marcus Bernardi Mediterranean
@@haloskaterkid That doesen't mean anything.
Marcus Bernardi your problem then not mine
@@haloskaterkid By your standard, people from Piedmont region are not Italian.