because ive is getting absolutely torn apart for this and lesserafim were getting DEFENDED for lipsyncing? how do you expect people to remain silent about how hypocritical it is. no one was even hating lesserafim we just want kpop fans to treat them the same
@@hiyyihlightzzz actually people don't really care about the lipsync, but people blame their cover in strawberry moon are really effortless. Even on high note they're not trying to put effort into it and keep acting cute that makes people sick. lesserafim meanwhile has better performance than them.
I remember back when le sserafim were getting some criticism for their live singing with fearless, which was quite difficult because of the lower tones, and I always respected them when they kept singing the song live regardless. They’re clearly not scared to sing live even if it doesn’t sound the strongest (though it’s obviously different now). I feel like people are more confused nowadays when a rookie group shows some weaknesses even though it’s completely normal, especially for a debut, to not have mastered something yet. I feel like this is something Ive’s company lacks in that they may not be willing to make some mistakes along the way enough to bite the bullet and let them sing live when it matters
The choreo is very tiring too. I think they weren't that bad with their low notes considering being out of breath and low notes needing more air and concentration. Not to mention their higher notes, which were really good
i agree! and yeah even though le sserafik got criticized for their vocals from that fearless performance i love how they kept singing it live bc they're like 'no that wasn't us. we can do better' and they have improved so much in that song. now more powerful singers than before and i think that's super cool
JTBC edited the video with just the backtrack so it looked like Le Sserafim was lipsyncing, but if you check the fancam of the members it's obvious they were singing live. Contrary to that, one could tell from IVE's fancam that Wonyoung and Leeseo were indeed lipsyncing. What's more baffling is that they in fact recycled their Strawberry Moon cover and lipsynced to it. Now what I want Dives to realize is that no matter how much they pass the blame to LSF, that won't change the huge amount of people already criticizing and throwing hate on IVE. For those Dives who are making LSF their punching bag, here's the thing: there's absolutely no way LSF's gonna get the same treatment because it was proven that they didn't even lipsync at all. Rather, Dives are just setting up IVE to more hate. I didn't even bat an eye towards the IVE lipsync controversy, not until they decided to drag Le Sserafim
exactly. since dives dragged lesserafim into their mess ive's lipsync scandal is spreading more like wildfire. that's how karma works when you try to bring other innocent groups who are just minding their own business. do you expect fearnots to stay silent while you falsely accuse our girls?
Punching bag my foot IVE are the punching bags of people like you stop victimizing lsfm they got hate only due to previous scandal other than that they were defended everytime
If you go to Twitter you'll see how IVE fans are so disgusting with lack of morals. They always love to bully Le Sserafim and FALSELY accuse them. Just like how Starship and KakaoTalk spread hate about Le Sserafim, New Jeans, G-Idle etc. Truly disgusting. There's a reason why IVE is getting hate and that's mostly because their fans are pathetic whose hobby is to drag other groups down
@@homhom8712 They were defended because they didn't lipsync. How are people going to defend IVE when they lipsynced? It's not Le Sserafim's problem they actually take performances seriously
I just didn't get why they had to drag LESSERAFIM down if they couldn’t take criticism or defend IVE properly and the worst part is that lesserafim was falsely accused It would've been okay if they used a lip synced stage but they didn't. Like what's with the sudden hate people are trying to throw at lesserafim for the dumbest reasons Is it because people are loving them so much recently? Like they got so much hate at debut and now that they're getting loved others can't stand it? This industry truly hates seeing women loved. They always gotta tear them down
So true why unnecessarily bring lesserafim down when you can no more give busy schedule excuse for your idols to lip sync while sitting is there anything more embarrassing than sitting and lip syncing well I don’t have I’ve liz has so much potential please dives should rather fight for every members equal treatment rather than bring other groups down
No one is trying to hate lesserafim. They are trying to say that it is unfair that IVE is treated like this for lipsyncing whereas lesserafim was being defended for the same thing, and to give the same energy for both groups.
@@yeseoisthequeen lesserafim didn’t lip sync ..even in their encore when they were live singing and it was not perfect everyone criticised them and we know that was bad but definitely now lesserafim have improved
@@yeseoisthequeen Then defend them like we did for LESSERAFIM. Show proof and stuff to shut your haters up. Dragging others into this will achieve nothing but a fanwar
@@green360z I agree that lesserafim shouldnt be dragged or hated for this but IVE have been the punching bag of kpop for a whole year straight you cant expect their fans to be calm in defending them for so long
Nah...LSF is immune with all hate now. . .and now,they became the most loved gg in this generation..N they have fighter, opera singer, ballet, cute cheetah and MANCHAE!!!...we already struggling but now we are stronger 💪
True they went through a lot. Its shown in the documentary too . Predebut and debut they went through a lot emotionally. Specially when they lost a member
Lesserafim has through a lot of problems n challenge since their debut, as a fearnots we need to be strong just like them, FEARLESS n ANTIFRAGILE SLAYY
dives in the comments are so hilariously hypocritical 😭 “no one is hating on lesserafim!” “but we WANT them to be hated on because they should be given the same energy as ive!”
(2/2) lesserafim goes viral every other day for personality, charm, stage presence, dance, and VOCALS. they get praised for improving everyday, especially antifragile era. it is not their fault they’ve already proven their strengths. they are NOT on the same level as ive. i love and enjoy ive very much, but they don’t compare to lesserafim in any category.
I mean.....this is the same fan base that tries to pretend that Kakao did nothing wrong even though Kakao's smear campaign was reported in the Chosun Iilbo, Korea's oldest daily newspaper. Like it's pretty sad really
When fans couldn't defend ive, they dragged le sserafim into this without knowing, that from their debut to today, there r literally bunch of clips and videos as evidence to prove le sserafim never lip sync.
I will forever stan Le Sserafim, but I’m pretty sure they never perform Antifragile live. Every group lip syncs, people need to stop making a big deal about it
You guys remember about FB news account that make fasle rumors about le sserafim and new jeans when they debuted. Its Starship news account and they got cough and deleted the account. They never stop to bother le sserafim, like leaves them alone.
Girl so fearnots jump on the ive hate train and other fandoms too whenever they can, but we're the toxic ones for speaking up ?? wtf ? ppl who cyberbully ive and send them deaTh threats everyday on all social medias aren't considered toxic, but us who clap back with facts and speak up are considered toxic ? be fcking serious
DIVEs, stop deflecting the issue and dragging the Fimmies. Blame the poor decisions of Starship for setting up Wony and Seo. Your argument that "IVE has been catching hate for more than a year so we should drag other GGs too" is not helping your case at all. You are becoming toxic and irrational. If you really love your idols, you will not get tired of defending them by trying to present evidences that will help your case against the accusations. The problem here is, since you are having a hard time to counter the accusations, it must be easier just do find fault of other GGs like Ssera's, is that what you are implying here?
I can't help but think about the articles and comments saying Kakao had done dirty things to drag down IVE's competitors. Whenever IVE are in a bad light you can always expect that another 4th gen GG ,most of the time LSS would get a false accusation on them.
didn’t kakao, which is affiliated with ive’s company, write the garam scandal and lots of other articles dragging lesserafim and other ggs to bring them down and paint them in a bad light? also buying a lot of awards
and it's always because of starship making shit starting from kakaotalk when they attacked lesserafim as well as aespa and new jeans, and dives who always put the blame on le sserafim every time their faves are getting dragged.
ok a lot of kpop groups lip sync these days and that's just how it is. but the ive girlies didn't even TRY to give a good performance, and that's what set them apart from other lip sync scenarios. they didn't even try to make it seem believable or at least have a pre-recording w/ raw vocals.............. also, i feel especially mad at this strawberry moon incident because starship has the AUDACITY to try to fool us into believing those two girls (no offence) could sing IU flawlessly live. it's disrespectful to IU and just a straight up lie. they have liz! why don't they treat her like an actual member of ive?! at least with lesserafim, sakura admits that her vocals are weak and doesn't try to pretend that she's suddenly a powerhouse vocalist. and hybe doesn't play favorites. yunjin 100% would've been up there singing this song. similarly yes, twice lip syncs. but JYP would never make momo sing a mf IU song LOL lets be real
@@fatimaalhassan1720 LOL I'm sorry!! i'm a momo stan so that's why i used her as an example. 😂 she's my ultimate bias but I'm not a braindead fan who'll lie about her singing skills. but at least she tries to sing during music show performances and improve her vocals (unlike some of these girlies cough cough). 😳
i didnt understand how they came up saying serafim lipsync. if you watch and listen carefully, they sang it live, it was just the song in the background that was too loud but you can still clearly hear their voice singing live, specially when the bubbles were all over the stage and caught yunjin's attention, there was slight delay and it perfectly match her lips.
@@foodeliveries1661 whats the difference between ITZY, Aespa, NMIXX from LSF ? LSF are showing their ABS and Kazuha doing splits ! thats all ? hahahahaha
It's literally fearnots who started 🧍🏽♀️it's really mind blowing how y'all always act like they are innocent and all. If they didn't jump on the ive hate train to like they did here when it's none of their business, then maybe ssera wouldn't have been dragged. Why hiding the fact that most of them always jumo into the hate train unprovoked ? Some of these comments be acting dumb
@@laissa9372 wdym.. fearnots started it. i don't know why dives love to pretend they "defenders" when in reality they attack other groups just to make their faves look better. the ssera "lipsync" thing was never been brought up until dives were getting mad at wy and ls being accused of lipsyncing. it's all over twitter, it's mostly dives pointing at ssera when they have nothing to do with ive. and fearnots have nothing to do with any of ive's hate train
@@wonsaku why are u acting dumb ? 😭 there are sooo many proofs and ss of fearnots jumping into the ive hate train whenever they can. And it's not even dives who started this video, it was a non stan. I'm not even gonna argue with you if you're gonna act blind. If fearnots kept it shut maybe it wouldn't have resurfaced ? But don't come here and tell me they're innocent when they're clearly not and just victimize themselves everytime. Not all of y'all of course, but please
@@laissa9372 Omg, trying to turn the table so much huh? Are you paid by Kakao and Starship? I will never forget how yall acted since Garam's accusation. The first time might be your win, but the next time will be yall karma. You all better dive into hell.
@@laissa9372 stop playing victim lmao. as if fearnots are the only ones who started shit. kpop stans were the ones why dragged ive. yall just dragged lsf in this mess because you cant defend ur girls and wanted to shift the hate instead. pathetic. no wonder ive is getting a lot of hate. karma got u bad lmao
Why suddenly dragging these girls when your fave did the lip sync stop using and hate them they didn't do anything to your fave, when le sserafim stay quiet and peaceful being an idol, they experience more hate when they debuted which is they didn't deserve but now let them free. Yes they did lip sync but they know how to handle it. you can defend your fave but stop involved them.
As i know, the ive agency have to take responsibilities over underages future (i mean garam) because of their sponsor kakaopage, she got end of her career..
dives are toxic as the result of literally everyone hating on IVE for so long. they start defending them, and then the defenders start getting toxic, and then everyone is surprised theyre getting toxic 💀
bruh. what do you expect when IVE got a lot of hate and being a 4th gen punching bag since start. ofc most of dives will start being toxic and stop being so silent when the girls are attacked NONSTOP. This is sse's fault.
@@yeseoisthequeen i mean thats how every kpop fandom starts getting toxic, it starts with hate to their favs and then the stans feel the need to drag other idols down to cover up their own idols, whether the hate is factual or not
I dont care if LE SSERAFIM is even lip syncing. Like they've proven their talents more than enough. They're no use dragging them. They can sing, dance, have charisma, stage presence, and even have a solid bond. Other are just jealous their faves do not get the same attention. Maybe focus on developing your faves' talents first before dragging orher groups.
Lmao some Wonyoung's fans were trying to make Kazuha get hate for that move she did in the fearless' performance in that baseball match, saying "if Kazuha does it is attractive, if Wonyoung does she is a pick me", like obv a person who is just executing a dance move in a dance performance wont get hate, unlike a person who was trying hard to look delicate while pitching, they also posted a video of Yeji pitching in ISAC saying it was a "double standard" like noooo, they cant accept that Wonyoung gets hate for things that her and only she herself does, not other female idols act like her, so they dont get hate🤷
They should have known better than to drag an entire junior group , just to defend two members,one of which is of which has been known to focus on Visual rather than the spirit of an Artist
Dives are litreally thinks fearnots wont do anything that's why they drag LSF.lets stream LSF songs more and more fearnot.thats how we answer haters always
asshame on people that think Le sserafim Chaewon lip sync while singing sour grapes . just go and watch it back Chaewon sour grape fancam and think before talk
We can't Stop people from accusing other but at the end of the day it's just an accusation. Le sserafim has done so many live singing while dancing. I don't see why they will lip sync while sitting down 😂
As a fan of both groups, it’s disheartening to see how two female groups can’t excel at the same time. What’s the point of fan wars and creating division? Starship company should be the one who is criticized, not LS or IVE members to be real, do y’all think they have a choice in lip syncing? It’s the company’s fault for not managing the group and reviewing the performance. Both groups are talented in their own way but I don’t understand how LS got dragged into this
Because children 🤷🏻♀️ Most of dives are literal teenagers. They don't know how to accept their artists so they choose to bring out other groups to lessen the accusations lol
Ive will definitely not stay at the top of this generation for long if they keep on focusing on their visual instead of improving their performance. They have already perform live before and it was good so let's hope they will keep performing live more otherwise......
Honestly if Nmixx received better songs then they would be shining a lot especially bcz their is no dozen in Nmixx and each member is skilled but Newjeans and le sserafim have talent and receive good songs so it won’t be much long before Le sserafim and Nwjns exceed Ive.
This is why i dont like seeing kpop idols group lip sync...they will drag others group down too...but some dumb fans still and will defend the lip sync idols with bs reason
Lmao atleast Blinks don't have to Defend their Idols for Lipsyncing. I attended Blackpink Concert, they literally Sang live throughout 2 hours except some time for Breathing.
As a Wizone, I'm pretty sad about this whole situation knowing how close Yujin, Wonyoung, Sakura and Chaewon were in Izone. I'm sure the girls don't want their fans to fight each other like this. Dives should've never brought up this stage regardless if LSFM lip-synced or not and should've known that it'll bring more negative attention even if y'all didn't have any malicious intent. And Fearnot shouldn't add more fuel to the fire and understand (not condone) that Dives are quite upset on how such small matter was blown out of proportion. Honestly, the whole thing surpassed constructive criticism and became straight up hate and Starship is hiding behind the girls and letting Dives do all the work (which in this case is causing more harm). Lipsyncing was and will always be a thing in Kpop until companies train their idols more and have some trust in them to do well. You hating on a group and comparing them to other groups, will not change one single thing.
But what fans are for when they don't protect their idols. But look at the comment of Ive lip syncing Dives are the once who keep mentioning other group like Aespa and le sserafim for lip syncing. I won't denied that their are times that le sserafim does lip syncing during their promotion but even though they lip sync they try their best to deliver a perfect performance. When it is time to sing live they do their best to deliver stable performances for the viewers and to the fans. But what did Wonyoung and Leeseo did at the award show is just below the borderline they didn't put any effort in it. Basically what they did it just sit down and lip sync the lyrics and look pretty. Even though starship use their old ar of the award show and should even try to sing at least 1 or 2 of the try for to the viewers and their fans that they try but instead their fandom are just dragging down other gg instead of condoning what their idols and the company that manage that group did. It is just have common sense. There are idols it is their job to sing and don't come for me saying that they are busy and who idol group are not busy when they are attending award shows and preparing for a comeback like new jeans. It is just excuses.
Sorry, wizone here but never like wonyoung since pd48 days. And Starship was and still is the reason. So I don't care a single bit of IVE. Imo DIVES in itself is full of teenagers, like their artists are so I'm not going to argue with them. I'll just having a laugh in the background at the drama though 🤣
And now Le Sserafim slapping and shutting up all haters with their live singing at the Golden Disk Award! Hahaha. It is like LS knew the issue, so they are like, "come and hear our voice!"
IVE fans and Starship just wont admit it.. "Poor decisions and choices lead to this mess" lipsync in kpop is in a Gray area of Judgement. Don't know if its Intentionally for noise marketing or whatever.. but dragging LSF here is really a big FOUL. also notice 0:40 Manchae was a bit shocked on the Prop Explosion..so cute.
I know IVE is getting way more hate n diff fandoms are attacking for whatever reason they have and dives are desparate to save them, but come on this is not the way to save ur fav group....u r making fearnots who consumes IVE's contents as well to not like IVE(if not hate) cause clearly their fandom is getting more toxic as time goes n i ll save my money rather then joining them
You cant defend them, but you drag others groups? Why lsr? Because they have 2 ex member izone? Then say it out loud to ive agency! Why they have named them ive but get angry at yujin for called out our fandom, wizone!!
what a dirty move... They're always trying throw le sserafim under the bus just to justify the mess of that group... their fav group is mediocre and they didn't realise yet. I'm tired!
Dives just can't find an excuse to defend IVE that's why they are dragging Le sserafim into it 🤣🤣 JTBC actually edited the video with backing track if you watched the fancams you can spot that the members were singing live ✨ Grow up Dives you can't defend your so called barbie doll/ IT girl anymore 🤣
But why do they even have a backing track to begin with if they’re just sitting down ?? US artists- ariana grande, Taylor swift, Justin Bieber, etc. use backing tracks like barely, if ever at all. I can excuse using backtracks/lipsyncing in kpop because they’re dancing at the same time- but if they’re just sitting down, why are they even using a backing track ?? Shouldn’t they be qualified enough as singers to sing a song without the backing track ???
I noticed it in fimmies performance too, it seems like chae was late to put on the mic. But if you see in her fancam, she's actually didn't put on the mic late, its just the broadcasted one. About lip sync or not is up to debate, but I vote they're half singing half lip syncing but idk
She put it up late in her focus cam as well, she missed three words in her line. Also all performances have multiple recordings, so I wouldn't be surprised if they edited one clip from one recording to be replaced with another (most cases, they will choose to stick with the audio of the main recording and just change the video clip).
On the broadcasted one the backing track's volume was brought up to the max, but I can hear double voices from the overlapping of the live singing against the backtrack so its live. In the fancam chaewon brought up her mic late for a part too and when she did you can hear her sing against the back track.
This is why I don't like it when fans got SO triggered/ heated when discussing about lip syncing and when they exaggerated it. Everyone got hated. And like everyone suddenly got called untalented/ etc.. Why would it matter if they're working so hard? Why would it matter if you know they can damn well sing/ talented. They will be times they sing live and when they don't. That's it. Criticism is good but make sure its subjective. And doesn't come from a hateful heart
Not gonna lie less erafim did lip sync but not in that special performamce i mean like 14% of the times they perform but they have shown there vocal talent most of the time by now meanwhile ive has lip sync in almost every performance
how did dives get dragged into this mess about le sserafim lip syncing yk dives aren’t the only fandom have you thought it could be le sserafim antis just stop all this fighting it’s honestly getting tiring we came into kpop because we love the music yet at the end of the day all some people do is fight what was the point really
IVE gets cursed out publicly and even on news and when DIVES defends them, they're labelled as toxic. This is giving bully behavior by stans of big company groups. It's a fact that Lesserafim lip syncs and they perform live occasionally and the same is true for IVE. Almost every kpop group has lip synced once why are everyone acting like this to IVE? This reminds me of how much of a THREAT IVE IS, just like it was done to Aespa and MOMOLAND.
@@bryannanana1296 I was a casual IVE listener but what happened has made me decide to fully stan them. Especially the hate against Wonyoung, smh. I pray for her mental and physical state but I'm glad to see her stand with confidence in the midst of this war against her especially.
@@TT-ee1vv I really hope people will one day see how this affects her she doesn’t show it but I hope people realize that this huge hate train on her and the whole group will seriously hurt their mental state
I don't understand why stans hate when idols lip sync. I'm okay with it as long as the main vocals can sing live and all the members have showcased their skills live.
Although part of the issue was lip syncing, the initial controversy was how unrealistic the performance seemed. No one, not even IU can perform their songs looking cute without pulling a weird face or two. It was about putting effort into the lip syncing. Example: We all know how much ningning and winter hate lip-syncing in aespa, they've made it visually known that they will either going try to look like they are singing or completely not lip-sync the high notes completely (this was more as of a statement against SM). Although, yes, they are all pretending, but there are different degrees of pretending (if that makes sense).
I guess its more of an issue when they are sitting down than lipsyncing when performing while dancing. Its unnecessary i guess since you don't have to move.
@@LeraEluna That's true but Leeseo is not an experimented singer and she probably didn't want to fail live. (Tbh I would prefer her having some mistakes than making a bad lypsincing)
some dives are so horrible at defending. they love dragging le sserafim for literally no reason at all. it seems like they're more obsessed with them than fearnots are
Seriously, this issue is getting out of hand and may start a fan war between fans of lsf and ive. I agree at some point that lsf should not be negatively dragged down in order to defend the lip sync performance of ive but some dives are actually just trying to point out that it's unfair that ive got insane amount of hate for the same thing other kpop groups did. I believe that people has right to criticize them for what wonyoung and leeseo did but that will never be a valid reason to spread hate on them as well as the group. Same thing for lsf, if ever they did the same thing they should also be criticized but not hated. Aggressive fans and haters are just complicating this issue. Probably because lsf and ive are very popular kpop groups that's why they attract more haters.
Ever heard of the word deflection? If you haven't, then try looking it up. Because it's what you guys are trying to do and it's pretty much trash behavior 😉
Dude Le Serrafim did lipsync. Just not in the performance mentioned here in the video. They didn’t lipsync in that performance lmao. That sour grape performance was live. I wonder why Starship let Wonyoung and Leeseo out in the open like that, when Liz and Yujin are just there. Lmao. Ive should leave and debut under a new company.
I really wanted to stan Ive, their songs are really good, but the fandom won't let me,I mean they are toxic as hell. Every time I see a video praising or comparing other female idols or groups with Ive,there are so many dives and solo stans picking up a fight and even calling the top 4th ggs untalented.
blackpink deffo has the easiest choreos in the kpop industry (coming from a dancer) and they still don’t manage to give their all. It’s hilarious. They lost all their passion in the music industry (except Rosé, who still loves to make music obv).
As i attended Blackpink Concert and this video is abt Live singing, so i can definitely say STOP DRAGGING BLACKPINK . They Sing all their Songs Live . Ofcourse all artists use Backtrack at some point in a 2 hour Concert. It was the Best night for me in whole 2022. As for Choreos I agree , their Choreographers should give them Hard choreos.
@@Xoxo78941 ofc ik. but no. they deffo lipsync often as well. Also… i dont think they should get harder choreos as long as they cant even manage to make easy choreos look good, or even dance synchronized. Again about backtrack, its normal for a musician to use backtrack so they can stay on beat and manage their timing if the earpieces have problems or dont work like it’s supposed to do.
When are fans gonna accept that all idols lipsyncing, some more than others, but all off them do. Even when they are singing live, they often have loud backtrack so they can sing the parts they want to and lip sync when they are out of breath.
Both group are talented and work hard but , let just accept the fact that Le Sserafim were next level compared to them.. their chemistry, the way they cared for each other, no cringey moments, come onn...
I get that chaewon was singing live with backtrack but Why do you need backtrack when you sing sitting down on the chairs? Do you really want to call this as live, lsf fans? I understand you need a bit of help from backtrack when you are dacning but this is not the case. They should not put any backtrack when they are singing while sitting down. And fans praises their vocals after watching this “fake live” and think like their stan group is better than other group and drag them down. This is such a double standard and dusgusting culture among kpop
A news agency releases controversy against other competitive girl groups to make the GG under their "wings" stand out among others.. I'm not saying it's Kakao though.. 🙄🙄🤣🤣
As u mentioned Twice and BP, let me tell u Blackpink Never Lipsyncs throughout the Song rather Some seconds for Breathing . and that is the only Main reason Only they r Getting Sold out Concerts in Europe Also , cause Europeans prefer Live Vocals.
@@gruxico3690 This sacrifice was useless because they produced Le Sserafim out of it... Love Dive has a perfect sacrifice in it and you can't deny that. And the only thing that needs to be changed is your underwear because I can smell it
When IVE is lip sync, other groups will be dragged out of nowhere.
because ive is getting absolutely torn apart for this and lesserafim were getting DEFENDED for lipsyncing? how do you expect people to remain silent about how hypocritical it is. no one was even hating lesserafim we just want kpop fans to treat them the same
@@hiyyihlightzzz lol they are trying to drag lesserafim and excuse me but lesserafim clearly didnt lip sync here. so there is a huge difference
Agreed. Also with Aespa
@@hiyyihlightzzz its not like every FEARNOT mock your idols for being lypsinc???? But why you dive brings out our favorite girls??
@@hiyyihlightzzz actually people don't really care about the lipsync, but people blame their cover in strawberry moon are really effortless. Even on high note they're not trying to put effort into it and keep acting cute that makes people sick. lesserafim meanwhile has better performance than them.
I remember back when le sserafim were getting some criticism for their live singing with fearless, which was quite difficult because of the lower tones, and I always respected them when they kept singing the song live regardless. They’re clearly not scared to sing live even if it doesn’t sound the strongest (though it’s obviously different now). I feel like people are more confused nowadays when a rookie group shows some weaknesses even though it’s completely normal, especially for a debut, to not have mastered something yet. I feel like this is something Ive’s company lacks in that they may not be willing to make some mistakes along the way enough to bite the bullet and let them sing live when it matters
The choreo is very tiring too. I think they weren't that bad with their low notes considering being out of breath and low notes needing more air and concentration. Not to mention their higher notes, which were really good
Its just the double standards in kpop sadly
i agree! and yeah even though le sserafik got criticized for their vocals from that fearless performance i love how they kept singing it live bc they're like 'no that wasn't us. we can do better' and they have improved so much in that song. now more powerful singers than before and i think that's super cool
JTBC edited the video with just the backtrack so it looked like Le Sserafim was lipsyncing, but if you check the fancam of the members it's obvious they were singing live. Contrary to that, one could tell from IVE's fancam that Wonyoung and Leeseo were indeed lipsyncing. What's more baffling is that they in fact recycled their Strawberry Moon cover and lipsynced to it.
Now what I want Dives to realize is that no matter how much they pass the blame to LSF, that won't change the huge amount of people already criticizing and throwing hate on IVE. For those Dives who are making LSF their punching bag, here's the thing: there's absolutely no way LSF's gonna get the same treatment because it was proven that they didn't even lipsync at all. Rather, Dives are just setting up IVE to more hate. I didn't even bat an eye towards the IVE lipsync controversy, not until they decided to drag Le Sserafim
exactly. since dives dragged lesserafim into their mess ive's lipsync scandal is spreading more like wildfire. that's how karma works when you try to bring other innocent groups who are just minding their own business. do you expect fearnots to stay silent while you falsely accuse our girls?
Punching bag my foot IVE are the punching bags of people like you stop victimizing lsfm they got hate only due to previous scandal other than that they were defended everytime
If you go to Twitter you'll see how IVE fans are so disgusting with lack of morals. They always love to bully Le Sserafim and FALSELY accuse them. Just like how Starship and KakaoTalk spread hate about Le Sserafim, New Jeans, G-Idle etc. Truly disgusting. There's a reason why IVE is getting hate and that's mostly because their fans are pathetic whose hobby is to drag other groups down
@@homhom8712 They were defended because they didn't lipsync. How are people going to defend IVE when they lipsynced? It's not Le Sserafim's problem they actually take performances seriously
stupid, where is the ARTICLE about this ?
I just didn't get why they had to drag LESSERAFIM down if they couldn’t take criticism or defend IVE properly and the worst part is that lesserafim was falsely accused
It would've been okay if they used a lip synced stage but they didn't. Like what's with the sudden hate people are trying to throw at lesserafim for the dumbest reasons
Is it because people are loving them so much recently? Like they got so much hate at debut and now that they're getting loved others can't stand it?
This industry truly hates seeing women loved. They always gotta tear them down
So true why unnecessarily bring lesserafim down when you can no more give busy schedule excuse for your idols to lip sync while sitting is there anything more embarrassing than sitting and lip syncing well I don’t have I’ve liz has so much potential please dives should rather fight for every members equal treatment rather than bring other groups down
No one is trying to hate lesserafim. They are trying to say that it is unfair that IVE is treated like this for lipsyncing whereas lesserafim was being defended for the same thing, and to give the same energy for both groups.
@@yeseoisthequeen lesserafim didn’t lip sync ..even in their encore when they were live singing and it was not perfect everyone criticised them and we know that was bad but definitely now lesserafim have improved
@@yeseoisthequeen Then defend them like we did for LESSERAFIM. Show proof and stuff to shut your haters up. Dragging others into this will achieve nothing but a fanwar
@@green360z I agree that lesserafim shouldnt be dragged or hated for this but IVE have been the punching bag of kpop for a whole year straight you cant expect their fans to be calm in defending them for so long
Nah...LSF is immune with all hate now. . .and now,they became the most loved gg in this generation..N they have fighter, opera singer, ballet, cute cheetah and MANCHAE!!!...we already struggling but now we are stronger 💪
True they went through a lot. Its shown in the documentary too . Predebut and debut they went through a lot emotionally. Specially when they lost a member
Lesserafim has through a lot of problems n challenge since their debut, as a fearnots we need to be strong just like them, FEARLESS n ANTIFRAGILE SLAYY
Le Sserafim is ANTIFRAGILE
CHANGE MY MIND
Corny
dives in the comments are so hilariously hypocritical 😭 “no one is hating on lesserafim!” “but we WANT them to be hated on because they should be given the same energy as ive!”
They're scared, one day when people get bored over wy's face, and didn't get another good song, their popularity will gone
(2/2) lesserafim goes viral every other day for personality, charm, stage presence, dance, and VOCALS. they get praised for improving everyday, especially antifragile era. it is not their fault they’ve already proven their strengths. they are NOT on the same level as ive. i love and enjoy ive very much, but they don’t compare to lesserafim in any category.
I mean.....this is the same fan base that tries to pretend that Kakao did nothing wrong even though Kakao's smear campaign was reported in the Chosun Iilbo, Korea's oldest daily newspaper. Like it's pretty sad really
Karma's gonna get them someday especially after that Kakaotalk
@@tunamaki1209 true say loud dives should read this comment
When fans couldn't defend ive, they dragged le sserafim into this without knowing, that from their debut to today, there r literally bunch of clips and videos as evidence to prove le sserafim never lip sync.
im a fearnot but le sserafim absolutely do lipsync as well
hey FEARNOTs, IVE is going to be Running Man's guest and your sister group NewJeans is the 2nd (maybe will be #1) TOP group among 4th gen group hahaha
@abcdefghi_ _lmnopqrstuvwxyz haha just want to annoy fearnot fandom haha
Dives are bunch of immature stans
I will forever stan Le Sserafim, but I’m pretty sure they never perform Antifragile live. Every group lip syncs, people need to stop making a big deal about it
starship be paying kakao to create drama more than hybe is paying dispatch to keep their mouth shut about their idols
Nah Starship is under Kakao. So no pay is needed
Frrr
Starship is owned by kakao 100%
YASSS
You guys remember about FB news account that make fasle rumors about le sserafim and new jeans when they debuted. Its Starship news account and they got cough and deleted the account. They never stop to bother le sserafim, like leaves them alone.
IVE and their fans, I swear....... so toxic
lol. all fandoms have toxic side. crybaby
@@Mal.victory no one jealous. We're actually loving IVE too, coz Wonyoung and Yujin is LSF's fellow. Dive like you just toxic.
@@Mal.victory congratulations you just proved Paul anders point
Girl so fearnots jump on the ive hate train and other fandoms too whenever they can, but we're the toxic ones for speaking up ?? wtf ? ppl who cyberbully ive and send them deaTh threats everyday on all social medias aren't considered toxic, but us who clap back with facts and speak up are considered toxic ? be fcking serious
@@Mal.victory and what does your hate have to do with le sserafim? quit dragging ssera then because they have nothing to do with ive
DIVEs, stop deflecting the issue and dragging the Fimmies. Blame the poor decisions of Starship for setting up Wony and Seo. Your argument that "IVE has been catching hate for more than a year so we should drag other GGs too" is not helping your case at all. You are becoming toxic and irrational.
If you really love your idols, you will not get tired of defending them by trying to present evidences that will help your case against the accusations. The problem here is, since you are having a hard time to counter the accusations, it must be easier just do find fault of other GGs like Ssera's, is that what you are implying here?
Blink 2.0
On point!
agree
but blaming another group is easier than defending.. sadly
I can't help but think about the articles and comments saying Kakao had done dirty things to drag down IVE's competitors. Whenever IVE are in a bad light you can always expect that another 4th gen GG ,most of the time LSS would get a false accusation on them.
it's clear as daylight starship's always working hard
This accusation is from dive. I think that kakao, starship, and their fandom is perfect match
It was literally started by a tiktok user 💀
fearnots dont get triger but also dont show weakness.lets focus on our girls and stream their music.Fighting
Yesss, strong n grow, Fearless n AntiFragile like our favs girlss Lesserafim SLAYYY
Yes let's focus on them, the latest award shows showed what Le Sserafim can do. Of course the OPERA of YUNJIN with the Ballet of KAZUHA.
THATS RIGHT WE STRONG AND FEARLESS
Yes we are anti fragile 🦾
I'm so glad you made a video about this. Them dragging LS into this was so uncalled for.
didn’t kakao, which is affiliated with ive’s company, write the garam scandal and lots of other articles dragging lesserafim and other ggs to bring them down and paint them in a bad light? also buying a lot of awards
I was thinking the same thing🤔
Yess I still remember that. That FB news account right.
Lesserafim has a knack for getting falsely accused
oof 😂
this is the humour im here for. lol. this comment has no business being this funny!
foul but true
and it's always because of starship making shit starting from kakaotalk when they attacked lesserafim as well as aespa and new jeans, and dives who always put the blame on le sserafim every time their faves are getting dragged.
@@diordior4753 Hol up I just realized that actually
ok a lot of kpop groups lip sync these days and that's just how it is. but the ive girlies didn't even TRY to give a good performance, and that's what set them apart from other lip sync scenarios. they didn't even try to make it seem believable or at least have a pre-recording w/ raw vocals..............
also, i feel especially mad at this strawberry moon incident because starship has the AUDACITY to try to fool us into believing those two girls (no offence) could sing IU flawlessly live. it's disrespectful to IU and just a straight up lie. they have liz! why don't they treat her like an actual member of ive?!
at least with lesserafim, sakura admits that her vocals are weak and doesn't try to pretend that she's suddenly a powerhouse vocalist. and hybe doesn't play favorites. yunjin 100% would've been up there singing this song. similarly yes, twice lip syncs. but JYP would never make momo sing a mf IU song LOL lets be real
Why did they even give them an IU song no offense but it should've been maybe a somi song and no you did my girl momo dirty😭😂
@@fatimaalhassan1720 LOL I'm sorry!! i'm a momo stan so that's why i used her as an example. 😂 she's my ultimate bias but I'm not a braindead fan who'll lie about her singing skills. but at least she tries to sing during music show performances and improve her vocals (unlike some of these girlies cough cough). 😳
I saw one fan write, "Send Liz and Yujin!!" 😭😂😂
@@asahiyawh lol😂😂
I think that too. I was like "wait, wasn't Liz is like the main vocal?" Also, compare to both of them Yujin voice is better.
i didnt understand how they came up saying serafim lipsync. if you watch and listen carefully, they sang it live, it was just the song in the background that was too loud but you can still clearly hear their voice singing live, specially when the bubbles were all over the stage and caught yunjin's attention, there was slight delay and it perfectly match her lips.
@@Mal.victory if you are talking about ive then you are correct
@@Mal.victory IVE? Ok
They did lipsync in the sour grapes performance, but there are other stages where they did sing live
@@therealgrimreaper68 they didnt lipsync in that particular performance that people were talking about, go and watch it again
@@foodeliveries1661 whats the difference between ITZY, Aespa, NMIXX from LSF ? LSF are showing their ABS and Kazuha doing splits ! thats all ? hahahahaha
Dives are always attacking Le Sserafim. I guess it's coming from their insecurities lmao
It's literally fearnots who started 🧍🏽♀️it's really mind blowing how y'all always act like they are innocent and all. If they didn't jump on the ive hate train to like they did here when it's none of their business, then maybe ssera wouldn't have been dragged. Why hiding the fact that most of them always jumo into the hate train unprovoked ? Some of these comments be acting dumb
@@laissa9372 wdym.. fearnots started it. i don't know why dives love to pretend they "defenders" when in reality they attack other groups just to make their faves look better. the ssera "lipsync" thing was never been brought up until dives were getting mad at wy and ls being accused of lipsyncing. it's all over twitter, it's mostly dives pointing at ssera when they have nothing to do with ive. and fearnots have nothing to do with any of ive's hate train
@@wonsaku why are u acting dumb ? 😭 there are sooo many proofs and ss of fearnots jumping into the ive hate train whenever they can. And it's not even dives who started this video, it was a non stan. I'm not even gonna argue with you if you're gonna act blind. If fearnots kept it shut maybe it wouldn't have resurfaced ? But don't come here and tell me they're innocent when they're clearly not and just victimize themselves everytime. Not all of y'all of course, but please
@@laissa9372 Omg, trying to turn the table so much huh? Are you paid by Kakao and Starship? I will never forget how yall acted since Garam's accusation. The first time might be your win, but the next time will be yall karma. You all better dive into hell.
@@laissa9372 stop playing victim lmao. as if fearnots are the only ones who started shit. kpop stans were the ones why dragged ive. yall just dragged lsf in this mess because you cant defend ur girls and wanted to shift the hate instead. pathetic. no wonder ive is getting a lot of hate. karma got u bad lmao
Why suddenly dragging these girls when your fave did the lip sync stop using and hate them they didn't do anything to your fave, when le sserafim stay quiet and peaceful being an idol, they experience more hate when they debuted which is they didn't deserve but now let them free. Yes they did lip sync but they know how to handle it. you can defend your fave but stop involved them.
its the back track thats louder but Chaewon sang the song with the backtrack. Defend them right fearnot we have receipts and proof
As i know, the ive agency have to take responsibilities over underages future (i mean garam) because of their sponsor kakaopage, she got end of her career..
LOUDER!!!!!!! So divesthat drag the ssera girlies can hear it at the back
Lol but not all dives tho, cuz I'm a dive and fearnot
lol not all dives are like that
I listen to both tho
@@eternal_love7879 most are
So much talk behind my back
Rivals I never knew I had
They all pray for the day I'm fallin'
Onto their hands, I'ma jump in
Yes, gimme that
oh my fucking god this is perfect
Wow a real fearnot so proud
Lesserafim is AntiFragile n Fearless since they got debut
Walk majestically like a lion~
Eyes burning with desire~
Nana na eh
Yasss Femmies don’t let the criticism get to you these all dives Envy them so much it’s all pretty obvious. Proud as a fearnot!
IVE fans I swear are the new blinks.
dives are toxic as the result of literally everyone hating on IVE for so long. they start defending them, and then the defenders start getting toxic, and then everyone is surprised theyre getting toxic 💀
bruh. what do you expect when IVE got a lot of hate and being a 4th gen punching bag since start. ofc most of dives will start being toxic and stop being so silent when the girls are attacked NONSTOP. This is sse's fault.
@@yeseoisthequeen i mean thats how every kpop fandom starts getting toxic, it starts with hate to their favs and then the stans feel the need to drag other idols down to cover up their own idols, whether the hate is factual or not
IVE isn't even on BP's and BTS' level, and yet they already have the worst breed of fans. Worse than blinks and army combined
@@yeseoisthequeen stop playing victim. stop using chaewon's pfp and stop using fearnot as ur username when it's so obvious ure a diveuuu uwu
I dont care if LE SSERAFIM is even lip syncing. Like they've proven their talents more than enough. They're no use dragging them. They can sing, dance, have charisma, stage presence, and even have a solid bond. Other are just jealous their faves do not get the same attention. Maybe focus on developing your faves' talents first before dragging orher groups.
dives try defending ive without dragging another gg down (impossible)
Lmao some Wonyoung's fans were trying to make Kazuha get hate for that move she did in the fearless' performance in that baseball match, saying "if Kazuha does it is attractive, if Wonyoung does she is a pick me", like obv a person who is just executing a dance move in a dance performance wont get hate, unlike a person who was trying hard to look delicate while pitching, they also posted a video of Yeji pitching in ISAC saying it was a "double standard" like noooo, they cant accept that Wonyoung gets hate for things that her and only she herself does, not other female idols act like her, so they dont get hate🤷
They should have known better than to drag an entire junior group , just to defend two members,one of which is of which has been known to focus on Visual rather than the spirit of an Artist
Dives are litreally thinks fearnots wont do anything that's why they drag LSF.lets stream LSF songs more and more fearnot.thats how we answer haters always
asshame on people that think Le sserafim Chaewon lip sync while singing sour grapes . just go and watch it back Chaewon sour grape fancam and think before talk
Finally someone, i had to explain this under every video cause it made me so mad
We can't Stop people from accusing other but at the end of the day it's just an accusation. Le sserafim has done so many live singing while dancing. I don't see why they will lip sync while sitting down 😂
When are people going to learn hybe doesn't aloud any of their artists to lipsync. They put millions of dollars in to training them.
lsrf lipsync in awards shows tho
@@charcharancharan2901 Same goes to other groups bruhh
@charcharan charan they didn't it either it pre record , hybe isn't giving barbie dolls hybe is giving you artist
@@charcharancharan2901 bruh that's award shows thoo. When you have heavy dancing ofc they going to lip sync
@@rem_xo yeah that person said hybe do not lip sync but not they lip sync whats the truth?
not them dragging le sserafim and other groups like aespa cause their faves got criticize
Aespa has been singing live recently but ofc thats not trending
@@Fairyphobia enjoy watching aespa and lesserafim fans unite fighting the evil, keep dragging other group and more will unite to beat this shit
@@carmendevoto7268 hopefully cause they are one of the few groups on top with actual talent and natural charisma
As a fan of both groups, it’s disheartening to see how two female groups can’t excel at the same time. What’s the point of fan wars and creating division? Starship company should be the one who is criticized, not LS or IVE members to be real, do y’all think they have a choice in lip syncing? It’s the company’s fault for not managing the group and reviewing the performance. Both groups are talented in their own way but I don’t understand how LS got dragged into this
agree
Because children 🤷🏻♀️
Most of dives are literal teenagers. They don't know how to accept their artists so they choose to bring out other groups to lessen the accusations lol
Lesserafim are fearless
No, they are antifragile
@@badschoy2974 no, they are both fearless and antifragile
I don't know what they gain in dragging other groups down it's just petty. ❤️ Lesserafim
It’s just funny when IVE got dragged suddenly I hear “Le Sserafim lip sync too” like no honey.. they didn’t LOL
Ive will definitely not stay at the top of this generation for long if they keep on focusing on their visual instead of improving their performance. They have already perform live before and it was good so let's hope they will keep performing live more otherwise......
Honestly if Nmixx received better songs then they would be shining a lot especially bcz their is no dozen in Nmixx and each member is skilled but Newjeans and le sserafim have talent and receive good songs so it won’t be much long before Le sserafim and Nwjns exceed Ive.
This is why i dont like seeing kpop idols group lip sync...they will drag others group down too...but some dumb fans still and will defend the lip sync idols with bs reason
I swear dive is the 4th gen of blink
Yup, in progress to be like them
Lmao atleast Blinks don't have to Defend their Idols for Lipsyncing. I attended Blackpink Concert, they literally Sang live throughout 2 hours except some time for Breathing.
As a Wizone, I'm pretty sad about this whole situation knowing how close Yujin, Wonyoung, Sakura and Chaewon were in Izone. I'm sure the girls don't want their fans to fight each other like this.
Dives should've never brought up this stage regardless if LSFM lip-synced or not and should've known that it'll bring more negative attention even if y'all didn't have any malicious intent.
And Fearnot shouldn't add more fuel to the fire and understand (not condone) that Dives are quite upset on how such small matter was blown out of proportion. Honestly, the whole thing surpassed constructive criticism and became straight up hate and Starship is hiding behind the girls and letting Dives do all the work (which in this case is causing more harm).
Lipsyncing was and will always be a thing in Kpop until companies train their idols more and have some trust in them to do well.
You hating on a group and comparing them to other groups, will not change one single thing.
But what fans are for when they don't protect their idols. But look at the comment of Ive lip syncing Dives are the once who keep mentioning other group like Aespa and le sserafim for lip syncing. I won't denied that their are times that le sserafim does lip syncing during their promotion but even though they lip sync they try their best to deliver a perfect performance. When it is time to sing live they do their best to deliver stable performances for the viewers and to the fans. But what did Wonyoung and Leeseo did at the award show is just below the borderline they didn't put any effort in it. Basically what they did it just sit down and lip sync the lyrics and look pretty. Even though starship use their old ar of the award show and should even try to sing at least 1 or 2 of the try for to the viewers and their fans that they try but instead their fandom are just dragging down other gg instead of condoning what their idols and the company that manage that group did. It is just have common sense. There are idols it is their job to sing and don't come for me saying that they are busy and who idol group are not busy when they are attending award shows and preparing for a comeback like new jeans. It is just excuses.
No what dive did wasn't just protecting the girls right they just defend the truth with more lies to other group
Sorry, wizone here but never like wonyoung since pd48 days. And Starship was and still is the reason. So I don't care a single bit of IVE. Imo DIVES in itself is full of teenagers, like their artists are so I'm not going to argue with them. I'll just having a laugh in the background at the drama though 🤣
And now Le Sserafim slapping and shutting up all haters with their live singing at the Golden Disk Award! Hahaha. It is like LS knew the issue, so they are like, "come and hear our voice!"
Lol Hybe never let their artist lip sync.
if they are doing then that`s mean they will be do hard performance
Purr💅💅
PREACH💅💅
IVE fans and Starship just wont admit it.. "Poor decisions and choices lead to this mess" lipsync in kpop is in a Gray area of Judgement. Don't know if its Intentionally for noise marketing or whatever.. but dragging LSF here is really a big FOUL.
also notice 0:40 Manchae was a bit shocked on the Prop Explosion..so cute.
@@Mal.victory who bashed I'VE? read again...and yes Starship who decides on Song Choice and overall performance? Of course them.
Wonyoung and friends could never
😂😂😂
cringe. stop that, clown
y’all really forget Liz is a great vocalist….
@@ocaaaa It's only her
@@remaddy5469 yujin is pretty good for kpop standard, rei can also write her own lyrics
Fearnots are like Fimmies' debut song, fearless. We will not tolerate false accusations made towards us, thank you very much.
make IVE perform like LE SSERAFIM, then complain about the lipsync. period.
they could never
@@pnavrrha exactly my point.
@@pnavrrha yeah
I know IVE is getting way more hate n diff fandoms are attacking for whatever reason they have and dives are desparate to save them, but come on this is not the way to save ur fav group....u r making fearnots who consumes IVE's contents as well to not like IVE(if not hate) cause clearly their fandom is getting more toxic as time goes n i ll save my money rather then joining them
You cant defend them, but you drag others groups? Why lsr? Because they have 2 ex member izone? Then say it out loud to ive agency! Why they have named them ive but get angry at yujin for called out our fandom, wizone!!
Also if u want to argue the backtrack was too loud, it was 5(6?)days since comeback🌚
Glad to see so many people loving amd supporting my girls Lesserafim.
when you really wanna stan the group but some of their fans are really immature lol another toxic fandom in the making (dives)
fans need to blame starship and stop putting it on other groups. this is why.
what a dirty move... They're always trying throw le sserafim under the bus just to justify the mess of that group... their fav group is mediocre and they didn't realise yet. I'm tired!
Man srsly fuck the haters... It's fine though because our girls are FEARLESS and ANTIFRAGILE!! 💪💪💪
Off the topic but Eunchae so pretty in the fancam 😮😮
OMG, yaas
Dives just can't find an excuse to defend IVE that's why they are dragging Le sserafim into it 🤣🤣
JTBC actually edited the video with backing track if you watched the fancams you can spot that the members were singing live ✨
Grow up Dives you can't defend your so called barbie doll/ IT girl anymore 🤣
Dives are finding excuses but you literally used the "it was edited" excuse. Okay, I see the double standard 😆
But why do they even have a backing track to begin with if they’re just sitting down ?? US artists- ariana grande, Taylor swift, Justin Bieber, etc. use backing tracks like barely, if ever at all. I can excuse using backtracks/lipsyncing in kpop because they’re dancing at the same time- but if they’re just sitting down, why are they even using a backing track ?? Shouldn’t they be qualified enough as singers to sing a song without the backing track ???
Okay fair enough
I noticed it in fimmies performance too, it seems like chae was late to put on the mic. But if you see in her fancam, she's actually didn't put on the mic late, its just the broadcasted one. About lip sync or not is up to debate, but I vote they're half singing half lip syncing but idk
She put it up late in her focus cam as well, she missed three words in her line. Also all performances have multiple recordings, so I wouldn't be surprised if they edited one clip from one recording to be replaced with another (most cases, they will choose to stick with the audio of the main recording and just change the video clip).
On the broadcasted one the backing track's volume was brought up to the max, but I can hear double voices from the overlapping of the live singing against the backtrack so its live. In the fancam chaewon brought up her mic late for a part too and when she did you can hear her sing against the back track.
This is why I don't like it when fans got SO triggered/ heated when discussing about lip syncing and when they exaggerated it. Everyone got hated. And like everyone suddenly got called untalented/ etc..
Why would it matter if they're working so hard? Why would it matter if you know they can damn well sing/ talented.
They will be times they sing live and when they don't. That's it. Criticism is good but make sure its subjective. And doesn't come from a hateful heart
oh wow lsf performing live at gda was just-😻
Honestly I don’t care if these amazing girl groups lip sync or not. I love them regardless.
I love day off sm 😭 the last season was so funny i cant wait for the next episode
Not gonna lie less erafim did lip sync but not in that special performamce i mean like 14% of the times they perform but they have shown there vocal talent most of the time by now meanwhile ive has lip sync in almost every performance
how did dives get dragged into this mess about le sserafim lip syncing yk dives aren’t the only fandom have you thought it could be le sserafim antis just stop all this fighting it’s honestly getting tiring we came into kpop because we love the music yet at the end of the day all some people do is fight what was the point really
IVE gets cursed out publicly and even on news and when DIVES defends them, they're labelled as toxic. This is giving bully behavior by stans of big company groups. It's a fact that Lesserafim lip syncs and they perform live occasionally and the same is true for IVE. Almost every kpop group has lip synced once why are everyone acting like this to IVE? This reminds me of how much of a THREAT IVE IS, just like it was done to Aespa and MOMOLAND.
@@TT-ee1vv that’s what I’m saying every group lip syncs why is it ive gets treated like this it really is unfair
@@bryannanana1296 I was a casual IVE listener but what happened has made me decide to fully stan them. Especially the hate against Wonyoung, smh. I pray for her mental and physical state but I'm glad to see her stand with confidence in the midst of this war against her especially.
@@TT-ee1vv I really hope people will one day see how this affects her she doesn’t show it but I hope people realize that this huge hate train on her and the whole group will seriously hurt their mental state
Finally someone who use their logic!!!
I don't understand why stans hate when idols lip sync. I'm okay with it as long as the main vocals can sing live and all the members have showcased their skills live.
Although part of the issue was lip syncing, the initial controversy was how unrealistic the performance seemed. No one, not even IU can perform their songs looking cute without pulling a weird face or two. It was about putting effort into the lip syncing. Example: We all know how much ningning and winter hate lip-syncing in aespa, they've made it visually known that they will either going try to look like they are singing or completely not lip-sync the high notes completely (this was more as of a statement against SM). Although, yes, they are all pretending, but there are different degrees of pretending (if that makes sense).
I guess its more of an issue when they are sitting down than lipsyncing when performing while dancing. Its unnecessary i guess since you don't have to move.
@@LeraEluna That's true but Leeseo is not an experimented singer and she probably didn't want to fail live. (Tbh I would prefer her having some mistakes than making a bad lypsincing)
Those controversies are so boring! But one thing is certain, they make Sserafans love Le Sseraphim even more! Hating is always counterproductive.
some dives are so horrible at defending. they love dragging le sserafim for literally no reason at all. it seems like they're more obsessed with them than fearnots are
le sarrrafrim is so boring.
Not fan of Ive but the hatred & bullying they received is too much now. They're just following the direction given by their company, not their fault
Thank U for this vid🙏🙏
Hope this video gets many views
It was obviously lip syncing, who said they’re not😭
I comment on the once I see it back track not lipsync
chae yunjin and kazuha especially i believe they need more coaching cause the potential is there but to say they can't sing is just a straight up lie
watch the -mujin show- you will know how well chae yunjin can sing. yunjin sang adele -when we were young- she has vocal
Dives are Litreally blinks of 4th gen 💀
Seriously, this issue is getting out of hand and may start a fan war between fans of lsf and ive. I agree at some point that lsf should not be negatively dragged down in order to defend the lip sync performance of ive but some dives are actually just trying to point out that it's unfair that ive got insane amount of hate for the same thing other kpop groups did. I believe that people has right to criticize them for what wonyoung and leeseo did but that will never be a valid reason to spread hate on them as well as the group. Same thing for lsf, if ever they did the same thing they should also be criticized but not hated. Aggressive fans and haters are just complicating this issue. Probably because lsf and ive are very popular kpop groups that's why they attract more haters.
To sum it up, dive used Lesserafim as a scapegoat to get their points across 🤔
@@kathy7747 yes that's exactly what happened lmao. good thing it was proven that le sserafim sang live so dives just look pathetic right now
but it is also unfair on our part that lsf got dragged because they got accused of lipsyncing even though they didn't
@@sanhabum1477 Well, it's quite funny seeing them justifying their deed like 🤡
Ever heard of the word deflection? If you haven't, then try looking it up. Because it's what you guys are trying to do and it's pretty much trash behavior 😉
I remember kakao stans on pann nate attacked lesserafim but the next day kbs news also talking about ive's lip synch, karma hit them back 😂
I don't understand how le sserafim suddenly got dragged into this😂😅 but they're anti fragile🤭
Dude
Le Serrafim did lipsync.
Just not in the performance mentioned here in the video. They didn’t lipsync in that performance lmao. That sour grape performance was live.
I wonder why Starship let Wonyoung and Leeseo out in the open like that, when Liz and Yujin are just there.
Lmao. Ive should leave and debut under a new company.
Pretty sure he meant the sour grapes performance when he said they didn't lipsync
Who cares if they lip sync? All idols do. Get over it and just enjoy the ride. Netziens have no clue.
i just noticed that when IVE has an issue other groups would also get dragged.
I really wanted to stan Ive, their songs are really good, but the fandom won't let me,I mean they are toxic as hell. Every time I see a video praising or comparing other female idols or groups with Ive,there are so many dives and solo stans picking up a fight and even calling the top 4th ggs untalented.
right so annoying
Kakao really loves to shit on LSS whenever their artists got into controversy.
I understand if lip sync in 'dance heavy' song, but lip sync in more slow/mellow/ballad song while you're sitting down?
Ive is kakao daughter right, so..... When there are rumors against them, of course....
backtracks should be turned down, lip syncing should be the last option for any singer.
Look at Eunchae dancing so elegantly.
What can i say,
New generation of blinks.
Maybe if Wonyoung had put in an effort to make that performance somewhat believable she wouldn't have got herself placed in this situation.
blackpink deffo has the easiest choreos in the kpop industry (coming from a dancer) and they still don’t manage to give their all. It’s hilarious. They lost all their passion in the music industry (except Rosé, who still loves to make music obv).
As i attended Blackpink Concert and this video is abt Live singing, so i can definitely say STOP DRAGGING BLACKPINK . They Sing all their Songs Live . Ofcourse all artists use Backtrack at some point in a 2 hour Concert.
It was the Best night for me in whole 2022.
As for Choreos I agree , their Choreographers should give them Hard choreos.
@@Xoxo78941 ofc ik. but no. they deffo lipsync often as well. Also… i dont think they should get harder choreos as long as they cant even manage to make easy choreos look good, or even dance synchronized. Again about backtrack, its normal for a musician to use backtrack so they can stay on beat and manage their timing if the earpieces have problems or dont work like it’s supposed to do.
When are fans gonna accept that all idols lipsyncing, some more than others, but all off them do. Even when they are singing live, they often have loud backtrack so they can sing the parts they want to and lip sync when they are out of breath.
Both group are talented and work hard but , let just accept the fact that Le Sserafim were next level compared to them.. their chemistry, the way they cared for each other, no cringey moments, come onn...
I get that chaewon was singing live with backtrack but Why do you need backtrack when you sing sitting down on the chairs? Do you really want to call this as live, lsf fans? I understand you need a bit of help from backtrack when you are dacning but this is not the case. They should not put any backtrack when they are singing while sitting down. And fans praises their vocals after watching this “fake live” and think like their stan group is better than other group and drag them down. This is such a double standard and dusgusting culture among kpop
I've seen you in a lot of comment section, you're working very hard. Touch some grass. LOL
@@lovi2395 how about you logically argue against my comment instead of being just sarcastic?
You're one of the few sensible comments here. Everyone else is in denial.
@@tshd4B2ZNWS how bout U respond to the comment that "logically argued" against u
@@glassesman5440 👍😭😭🤣💯💯💯
A news agency releases controversy against other competitive girl groups to make the GG under their "wings" stand out among others.. I'm not saying it's Kakao though.. 🙄🙄🤣🤣
That’s ridiculous!
As u mentioned Twice and BP, let me tell u Blackpink Never Lipsyncs throughout the Song rather Some seconds for Breathing .
and that is the only Main reason Only they r Getting Sold out Concerts in Europe Also , cause Europeans prefer Live Vocals.
Nahh people fighting when 2 of both ive and lesserafim used to be in the same group 😭💀
ATE
Nmixx be like we dont involve in any lip sync controversies😂
Especially Lily and Sullyoon 💅😌
In the end, the members for Le Sserafim and IVE can do the least for lip-syncing.... It's up to the companies or the music shows
Bro did you see Snowy by Itzy. That video is fake. They are not Santa IRL. They just playing like they were...
@@badschoy2974 BROOOOOOOO
Do you know IZ*ONE
This group is fake
They DISBANDED but there are still Videos on UA-cam
@@gruxico3690 Same with GFRIEND...
Only thing different there is that HYBE needed to DISBAND them to make a new group called Le Sserafim....
@@badschoy2974 well... Sacrifices must be made to create such a legendary group like Le Sserafim.
They will change the industry
@@gruxico3690 This sacrifice was useless because they produced Le Sserafim out of it... Love Dive has a perfect sacrifice in it and you can't deny that. And the only thing that needs to be changed is your underwear because I can smell it
they really thought yunjin, THE YUNJIN, THE OPERA SINGER would lip sync
ssera stays charting anyway
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Not very well lol