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As an avid Royal Caribbean cruiser and craps player I saw these videos and realized all that I was missing and playing wrong. First I switched my entire playing strategy for LiD and found that wasn't working for the same reasons. When I watched the video "10 is my friend" I adapted this method. When I play this on my simulator( Craps Master 3d) I lay $100 on 10, $100 on the DP and then place $25, $24, $24 on 5,6,8 for $75 at risk. My main focus is to break even. If I was to play this at a real table I try to manage my chips with the top rack for money to bet with and all the winnings go into the bottom rack. I try not to mix them, that way when the top rack is gone, I walk away. First hit I press the 6,8 to $30 and add $25 to 9. After that I now will press the next two hits to the 10. The last thing, I try to break even, but when my winnings look good and I feel things are right, I press with $110 from my winnings, never the top rack. Thanks for the videos, your channel is one of my favorites.
I like playing on royal. They rate us very well on the craps table
Good strategy for comps! I was screaming at my phone when that 4 hit, to regress back down to $160 across. And then 7 came. Once you effectively hedged the 4 (which I would do for $70, wins $140 plus the $70 = $210). Take a 1 hit, to make up for the difference on the no hedged place bets (win $100 on the lay 4, but lose $110 on the inside). 1 hit wins $35. So now regardless of what happens you will be up. I would then begin mid-pressing like you did to get to the $50 payment level. But once that 4 gets knocked off, take your press bet money off the table and go $110 inside or $160 across depending on where you’re at. You want to rack as much as you can because this is a longevity strategy. Not a let me make $500 a hand.
Yep, prolly a good move to regress all bets after 4 knocked off
Jeremy, can you run a video where you take all presses down if the 4 gets hit? I think that's smart, and would be great to see the strategy rolled out with maybe 1-2 tweaks in it. Maybe the other tweak is to put thay $70 on 4 instead of $60 as well. Regardless..great stuff! I'm loving these cruise comp strategies. Can't wait to cruise!
I'll be on the Icon in July, hopefully I have the seeds to get into the craps action.. appreciate the video and all the updates, I enjoy your videos you get right to it and start rolling away, quick, efficient.
I’m going to share this on my Facebook page. Where we teach people about cruising and craps. Thanks Jeremy. Another great strategy for time on the table
Hey Jeremy. First want to say thank you for this video. I am presently on RC Explorer of the seas. For my first session last night, I played for 1 hour 45 minutes. Started with a $500 buy-in. After 1 hour and 45 minutes, rated at $150. Ahead $680 and 289 points. Not bad for the first night. Will keep you posted on how the rest of the voyage goes.
Great first night! How are you playing?
Seems ok for you that are going for cruise points, Nice to see you rolling some videos again. Thanks!
We play on many cruises. They will give points for a don’t pass but most floors don’t give you anything on a cruise for the Lay Bet.
Also every single floor person rates differently so make sure and ask. Some I even ask ahead of time.
Nice video 👊
Yeah, in my one trip experience I found quickly each boxman rates diff. I wish it wasn’t so subjective.
It is interesting that they would not give anything for lay bet but do for DP?
I will see and have to adapt accordingly.
Thanks for heads up.
Love this. Not a fan of hedging, but this just works.
I’m not a hedger either, but with different goal, different strategy is required
What is nice about this strategy is it isn't intended to be a profit maker, so the hedge isn't working against you. Yet if you color up, that is a bonus! This looks like a great way to burn a few hours having fun and 'earning' your next cruise.
Have you thought about staying on the don't pass. BUT...bet $25 at first to get a point established. Then put up to $100 on odds for the don't pass after the point is established. That way you are only risking $25 on the come out. Then...$100 inside. Don't cap the 6and8...it's not worth it. Press on the hits across all inside. After 3 remove your don't pass odds but keep your $25. Take down all inside bets BUT for the 4 and 10 at $10 each and then let it ride. Or just remove all bets but your original $25 on the don't pass. If it's a cold table leave it. If it's a hot table then move your $25 from don't pass to pass. Either way after your 4 initial hits take most down and then let it ride. Hope this makes sense. It's golden.
I’m not a cruise ship they don’t let you have improper bets. Yes on land based casinos $25 pays $29 on the 6/8, but on cruises you don’t have that option.
This strategy is to earn comps. 25 then odds would play better, but odds bet isn’t rated so you’d lose 75 points per hr there, same with regression. Although smart play and one I like to do, when trying to earn comps it would remove your points.
Great modification 🤩🎲🎲
I’ll run these rolls with LITD at $140 DP and see how it goes 😁🤑✅
Probably similar. Just picking poison of which number gets ya.
I could see playing this as an Iron cross, $200 lay 4, $10 H10, $85 5/6/8 and $25 field. The field would also hedge part of the lay bet. I would press the 5/6/8 to $35/42/42 and after collecting $100 either lower the lay to $100 or take it down
Been waiting for a video like this! Thank You!
Hope you enjoyed it!
on the first hit when you place the 4 I would suggest you move the hardware money to the 4, easier to cover once you have money invested on the placed bet.
? I start with hard 4 covered.
@@ColorUp yes, I would move the $10 to add to the bet you place there with the first hit
@@Shiprekjim not a bad idea actually, then you mitigate potential hard ways losses. Although you miss out on the big hard way hit, You already hedged that a fair bit with your place winnings.
Ah ok. That’s an option for sure.
Just played this strategy on Liberty of the Seas. After my first night playing, I got up to 1300 points, and I think I was only playing for 3 hours (plus some low-bet BJ previously). I'm down about $400 but I have the free cruise, and will play again the next couple nights. Didn't have any good runs, so I think this is still a pretty good result considering.
I should add that I did this same strategy on day 2, and only got about 400 points over a couple hours. I ended up down another $100. It was a different PB so it might just be luck of the draw. I'll also admit that I didn't do a great job of recording my time, so those estimates might be off -- I'm not used to playing for comps! Since I already had the free cruise, I just played "All Day" for a couple hours along with $10 BJ on the final day. I ended up right at 2000 total points. Overall a great success -- booked a 4 day cruise for next February. I should easily get to Prime next cruise, which is in June, and I'll get another free one!
This looks really promising especially for time at table! I sim tested it this evening, and even on a cold as heck table (20 shooters, avg of 5.15 rolls per shooter), I came out $15 ahead. That was also with one case of establishing a point, followed immediately by an easy 4 (ouch). Might not make a ton, but it doesn't seem like you LOSE a lot either.
Agreed Rolled this through Crapsee and its performing a lot better.
I like this better than the Light and the Dark. Great stuff!!
Your next cruise see if you can interview a pit boss to explain their rating system ;)
I will try 😄
I wonder if they use the roll count to calculate the comps. If more rolls per hour gives you more comps. Maybe get a table early by yourself to start rolling as quickly as you can
@@ColorUp That would be amazing if you managed to pull it off!!
Just got off Harmony of the Seas; they rate you on base bet and don't count odds. They initially rated me at $30 hr after a hour of play; I was like WTF. Then they upped it to $75 rating per hour then again to $120. Every time they change your bet rating the clock re-starts. I found standing on the end next to one of the dealers was the best spot to play from. Dealers were great; I'd tell them my strategy, they would know ahead of time my bets; I'd have chips in hand ready to go. By the end of my first night I knew to ensure my bet rating was accurate, I'd ask every dealer shift change to confirm my position and bet rating. On Harmony dealers and pit boss had an ipad type device on a swivel arm which usually was positioned where the pit boss would sit to enter bets for comps "across from stick man". The dealer next to me could spin the ipad around; look at your position on the table; tell you your name and bet average within a few seconds. The dealer could then update your bet average with a few clicks if the pit boss wasn't at the table. IMO start off with big bets get that initial high bet rating and confirm it with the pit boss or dealer. The dealers and pit boss know everyone is playing for free cruise comps and are rooting for you to win, they will work with you to ensure you are executing your betting strategy and having fun. It makes it much easier for the dealers if English isn't their first language to pay out and be accurate if you tell them in advance what your strategy is. Ensure to tip well, first night; I colored up over +45% on $1k bank roll and dropped dealers a black chip for couple hours play time. I did several two-way bets and was tipping while playing. Original strategy was LiD after several PSO/YO 11's out on come out switched to 3-point Dolly/Molly, got back to starting bankroll and switched to $110 inside reduction strategy. Didn't get as much play time as I'd like as we were cruising with kids, have two more cruises scheduled this year and will hit the free cruise easily.
This seems like a good strategy for RC.
I have two questions related to the comp points.
(1) Have you gone a second cruise to test out increasing the lay bet to $200? Did that increase your points production? Or perhaps they see you have both a lay and a buy bet on the 4 simultaneously so won't count those bets towards points since they offset each other?
(2) After you hit the 4 and lost the lay bet, but you didn't replace the bet until after you hit a 7 a few rolls later. That reduced your total bets by about half for a period of time. Wouldn't that also reduce your comp points production?
This was a great video & an awesome strategy that I have never used before. Without a doubt I’m using this strategy my next time inside of a casino. I also was unaware of the fact that odds are not rated by the pit boss. I’ll have to rethink when to take maximum odds out. Again, this video taught me something new & I will implement it. Thank you 👍🏿
looks like a good strategy...I'll try this. Thanks
I’ll be going to Vegas for the WSOP in a week and a half. In between poker tournaments I’m definitely going to do this strategy.
I would use the first three hits on the inside to make the 4 $105 and then power press the rest
Hey Jeremy, great video and strategy. I am planning on using this on my next cruise. Keep up the great work 👍
Good luck, let me know how it goes and how they rate you.
Will do that. I will be on RC in a few weeks. Wish me luck 🙏
I like it. Will use it in Aug on my cruise
Hello and welcome to Hedge Color Up!
Last one….for now ha. And I only recommend hedging for a free cruise. In casinos play for cash, not comps, there comps aren’t worth it.
Yes I think my casino doesnt rate you if you just hedge and they secretly say play bubble craps
Just got off Harmony of the Seas 7 day cruise. I also found LiD strategy to cut your bankroll in short order; especially with non-dice setting players. $1k buy in went down about $400 switched to 3 point Molly/Dolly depending who was shooting went back up and did $110 inside regression w/ field bet and ended up $1,449 about 45% when I colored up. Looking forward to watching you refine this strategy.
Looks good. I’ll try some simulations on Crapsee. Thank you.
But yes, should be great for comp system if they count all bets. Sounds like you’re going to get to 2400 points for your next cruise!
Well points reset as there calander year starts on April 1. So to get 2500 I’ll have to play a lot on next cruise or go on two cruises 😎
Couldn't you protect more by splitting the lay bet on the 4 and 10? A seven would still pay the same but you only lose half if a 4 or 10 rolls... Don't really know the game just been watching your vids to learn 👍🏻
Yep, I put a quick note on screen about that. 7 pays same, only lose half money, both true. Only concern is now double the dice combos that can lose. But still, only losing $100 at a time vs a $200 whack. I’m going to do some more playing around with that idea.
Intriguing, would you want to split the hardways cover too?
🤔🤔🤔
I use this exact strategy but my modification is that once I am past 200$+ in profit I drop to 18$ 6/8 with 10$ field as a 4 will come on big rolls ... therefore lock in profits. I suspect it will reduce some comps but I also want to make money too.
I’m going to sign up for dice con as well 🙌🏻
One comp strategy ive had luck with is never go to the casino unless theres a reason besides gambling. For example i like live music and will occasionally stay overnight. I usually bring about $300 and stick to games like blackjack and craps. I play for around an hour total. I dont get many points but im regularly getting offers for free concert tickets.
You would have been in the black if you kept to your strategy. Keep betting the lay bet even when you hit the 4. That’s protecting the inside bets. That 120 was basically given to the house to see how much you could win before 7, so you have to bet on the 7 coming.
You should put the current profit or loss on screen so we can keep track during the live rolls
I did in past. It ruins suspense at end and stops people watching early.
Glad you won. the free cruise at 1200 points. Did you get many choices and were there there any balcony rooms available with the 1200 point free cruise? Love the video.
For 1200 points, I'd guess 150-200 choices of cruises. But I did reach 1500 points so I got $100 freeplay and the choices were about 400. They ranged, from interior to balcony, and 3 days to 14 days.
We are leaving for a 3 week cruise at the end of the month and will try this system and will split the 4/10s
I’m thinking split the 4/10 might be a little less risky…unless only 4/10 roll 😭
I'm switched to something similar I do a 180 lay on 9 and 25 on 5, 30 on 6, 30 on 8, 10 on field and 10 on pass line so i need to make 110 then pull down lay or hit a 7 on come out roll to play for my light side bets...... should get a 290 rating
So if you were to play this 3 hours each night would cruise lines continue to extend additional cruises? -- edit -- thinking some more, I am assuming this would be a cash credit not a cruise voucher. I have only been on one cruise but enjoyed it. I can see enjoying 3 hours of downtime every other day playing craps on a cruise. It could be a self perpetual thing. It certainly would make it a no-brainer to visit family and friends in Florida more often. xD
As far as I know odds bets don’t get rated since there’s no house edge, so maybe the same for lay and buy bets since the house edge is just the vig.
Well the vig is 5% which is great for them. The issue is off setting bets, they don’t like. Which is also good for casino as it is nearly impossible to win playing off setting bets, it’s really only good for earning comps…and they don’t like that.
Why would you get your Vig back at 8:30?
I wouldn’t, my mistake. You get vig returned when bet is returned, but not on a win
Some floorpeople refuse to rate both sides of a player playing both light and dark - even if the bets are on different numbers. It makes no sense, but they feel like you’re significantly enough hedged that they’ll only rate the larger bets of the two sides.
Yep, I’d say most. In ships I’ve heard a little more fair to players.
Hate leaving that lay out there for all those rolls. I would play don’t pass on the come out with the 4 or 10 lay as protection against the 7
Well that lay is only at risk till you can get hedged with place bet. 2 rolls. If you just hedge DP, for come out. Then that DP can ends up on a number like 6/8 which isn’t ideal.
Looked like you forgot to pay the 9 come-out roll towards the end at about 25:30. You turned your bets on because the 4 Lay bet was still up.
Please do a craps cruise. I will be there.
I have 3 scheduled. I release those dates only to my Green color up club members though....otherwise there would be too many people trying to squeeze onto one ship table
If the next roll after the point is established is a 4, what do you do? Play with what you have, or put up another lay bet?
Your decision. I mixed it up
Stupid question. If you're only risking $20 on a 7 assuming no hits, wouldn't a better strategy would be to collect the 1st inside hit and then continue the strategy as normal?
Only risking $20 on 7, but have $200 risked on 4, so I use first two hits to protect that 4 asap
Hey, Jeremy. Another question. If you are doing well, have all numbers across covered, then lose your lay bet. Would I bring down my buy bets on the 4 and 10 or let them ride to cover the numbers. Have a blessed day.
I’d say it depends on how bad the lay bet hurt. If doing well enough after losing lay and still have good profit, I’d consider letting them ride. Another thing you can do is reduce them, maybe to table minimum. If roll continues you can just build them back up.
If your lay point hits and you still have the box numbers placed, would it be worth hopping the 7's for a couple of dollars each as a hedge on the next come-out? Just to protect some of the place money.
On come out roll, bets are automatically off, so no need to hedge against 7
@@ColorUp darn. I knew that. I didn't think it all the way thru. Thanks.
very interesting strategy, thanks for this. need to start tryna get points at my casino
Im not sure playing for comps at land based casinos is worth it. Playing on ship is. I heard someone say, Vegas: play $1000s to win $100s in comps, Cruise: play 100s to win $1000s in comp
@ColorUp never heard that, thanks though. What's a good way to get more comps then?
@@icebergslim1872 its all based on your ADT, average daily theoretical. Basically how much the casino thinks you will lose a the casino on average, then they give back a percentage of this expected loss. Doesn't mean you have to lose, you can win with some luck. This boils down to avg bet sizes and time at table. The best way to get comps is to be a big player and then get connected with a casino host. For me, im not a big player, so it doesn't make sense to chase or try and get comps, I just try to win a couple 100$. To me it's not worth risking $1000s playing just to earn a meal or show...just my 2 cents. Of course if you are playing big anyway, then the extra comps are nice.
Rumor has it Jeremy played in a Native American casino, his new tribal name is 'Hole Finder'.
I like this better than that eclipse strat you were doing 😂
I don't understand the purpose of the hardways 4. With a 7, you lose 44 + 25 and win 40 on the lay. That's a loss of 29. With no hardways, you lose only 4. What am I missing?
Hardway is $5.
Roll 7 you lose 44+5 and win 40- loss of 9
roll easy 4 you lose $40
roll hard 4 you lose $40 but win $35 - only loss of 5
this strategy moves big risk from 7 to the 4. The hardway protects against one of the three rolls to roll a 4. So that only two dice combos hurt you bad. 3-1 and 1-3
Hey Jeremy. A question. What would the lay and hard bet be if I play $66 inside? Thanks in advance. Want to use this strategy again this weekend.
the idea is to cover your inside bets. Lay bet pays half, so a lay bet of $100 would win $50, $140 would pay $70, or pick a number inbetween. The hard way pays 7:1 so bet enough to cover your lay bet, or most of it. $10 pays $70, $20 pays $140
Buy the 4 with the whole 35 not 30 do that twice that’s a net win of 210 if it comes
On that last roll, before you rolled the 4, you had about 450 on the table. Could you ask for a rating and they bump you up?
You can ask, they may or may not increase. That’s the issue with table games ratings, it’s too subjective
So what would you play when it is your turn to shoot?
Same thing just add a minimum pass bet.
Greetings.
New to craps but is there a strategy reason that you just don’t feed the whole $35 instead of $30 to bet the 4 when trying to soften the 4 hitting on your lay?
No reason, I just like even amounts. 30 then go to 60. If casino allows $35 but still just charges $1 vig that would be the smart play for sure.
Buying place bets on 4 when you have lay on 4 is just a bad bet. You are better off reducing your lay bet. It is like buying both red and black for roulette.
Maybe you missed point of strategy? I want that 4 hedges so I don’t lose money on it. It’s not about winning with good bets, it’s about time at table and size of bets.
Hey Jeremy, I have another question. If I am playing at the lower level, $42 inside, can you please tell me what the lay bet and buy bets would be to cover the 4. Hope to hear from you soon and thank you.
I just watched the video again. I see you placed a bet to cover the $80 lay. So how much would I need to place on the 4 to cover the lay. Also, if the table is hot would I just be placing or buy bet to cover the 10.
Lay bet should be about double whatever you bet inside. so 80 covers 44 inside.
As far as protecting the the 80 with a buy bet. Make it whatever you feel comfortable with. Bet 20 to pay 40, covers half. Bet 25 to pay 50, and if the 25 came from casino and not your pocket, you could pull it down after it pays and essentially have 75 back which nicely hedges that loss of 80. Yes if roll is long and making money, cover that 10 as well
I really can’t understand the buy hedge on the 4 portion of this. Doing it this way doubles your pain on the vig. Just pull 50 or 100 off the lay. Have vig returned instead paying out.
I suppose it looks like more action?
If pulling lay back the most likely number 7 hurts more.
@@ColorUp $60 from that lay is going to cover the $30 buy on the 4. You are paying $2-$3 in vig for no reason.
Remove $60 from your lay, don’t buy the 4, I saved you $2 bucks.
Espeeeecially with the vig up front. If the vig was behind, you might be able to convince me. If I was in my cups.
@@bettor1actual544 $200 lay bet pays s $100 to protect your bets from the 7 rolling. Shifts risk from 7 to the 4. Then we bet on the 4, to lessen risk of 4. If you just lower lay bet to $60, now if 7 rolls you win $30 but lose your $110 inside bet. ? Unless you are trying to explain something else?
I do the same strategy but when I’ve hit 3 inside I’ll take everything down and go 96 across. 3 hits pays $105 so basically you’ve got $96 across paid for with $9 extra
Makes no since to leave that lay up after 3 hits inside. You’ve already made close to your original $110 investment.
Just take the push and build from there
@@ussflagg2difference is that he’s rated 3 times higher than you. That’s the point of the strategy.
I’m trying to keep $300 on the table though, to maximize points. Different goal.
@@ColorUp at the cost of losing money is silly
In my experience, the suit won't rate your pressing until you get around $300 on a number.
Hmm ok. You’d think they would at least re-rate you once you move from green to black chip.
@ColorUp They can be pretty bad sometimes. I had to speak very loudly once when my 6 had gotten up to $450 and other numbers were around $150 each before the suit changed my average bet.
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When you're doing 'the standard' for the cruise strategies are you adjusting for the different odds rules they have? Just nitpicking here. 😂 Love the videos.
Good point. No I didn’t. I did standard at $10 and 345x odds. But on RoyCar ships only allow 345x odds at $50 line bet.
@@ColorUp Single odds allowed for $10 and double odds for $25 ?
@@darrellq6954 yes, that’s correct. Single odds at table min. Double odds at $25, then 345x odds at $50
@@ColorUp that’s so weak. Penny pinching. But the best feeling in the world is when you win enough to cover the cost of your cruise.
@4:20 Can they rate you less because of all the hedging?
Stand by for cruise craps rating dilution now that the “secret” to comped cruises is out. I was on a recent cruise where several people were there to try to “earn a free cruise.” It created a whole lot of drama with 30ish people trying to get on a single craps table that will only support 14 people at a time. I saw people trying several strategies that seemed to have a single goal of getting as much money as possible on the table with the least amount of risk. I saw people losing thousands all while having a near zero risk of having positive influence on their bankroll. The cruise casino department should be doing everything they can to keep you and the holy roller producing these videos.
I watched a lot of people come and go from the craps table last week on Harmony of the Seas. One player told me his friend lost $5k the first night. Many threw their money away...I also loved the A$$Hats walking up trying to buy in mid hand on a hot roll.
There is no secret. It’s still gambling and casino has edge. Plus these “free” cruises are like loss leaders I believe. They can give away and most people spend so much on their “extras” they do just fine.
I do worry about crowded tables, but maybe they will just add more. Ha. I announced my cruise date to thousands of craps players and I had no issue getting on table. So 🤷♂️. The cruise casino dept should sponsor me though, I agree
The 7 is coming usually sooner than later so why hedge it??? The hardway bet and buying it is jus adding to the danger of a 7… when you make enough money to cover the initial inside bet jus pull the lay down
Different goals. Earning free cruise comps you want to keep as much money on table with least amount of volatility as long as possible. Completely different than standard trip to casino.
Excellent reply sir… love the vids!
When I’ve played light and dark like this they don’t rate for the full amount of bets on the table. They rate me for the difference between the light and dark side.
On cruise? Or land. I know they don’t rate like this in land. I’m hearing rumblings about more cruises not rating both ways.
@@ColorUp my experience was on land.
A quick question. If I were to leave the $200 lay bet on the 4, and the come out is a 7, would it still pay? As long as it is on.
Lay bets are always on. Yes it would pay anytime the 7 rolls.
Awesome, thank you 😊
Can you lay a number mid roll? Or only when button is off?
Any time you want to
Do you work your box number bets when the points off? Why or why not? I always do I don’t think it matters. I’m not superstitious
Mathematically makes no difference. Although any roll that a bet is off, it is not subject theoretically to house edge, so in that sense it “saves” money.
From what I understand if you're going for comps like this strategy is, the way Craps tends to get rated is that your average bet goes into the computer and your rating tends to just be that average bet combined with your time played (or sometimes number of rolls if the casino tracks that way). The system tends not to be granular enough to track the exact amount bet on each individual roll (which is why pressing bets doesn't always help comp strategies since it requires someone to manually update your bet on the computer). If it were possible to do so, the best strategy for comps would be to put down a big initial bet to get rated, then just turn your bets off and hang out at the table accumulating points but risking nothing! But of course the boxman will step in there and you won't get rated if you try that. If you're a place better, your bets are off automatically on come out rolls, but you're just playing normally so you'll be rated normally.
So essentially, if you're a place better you'll probably be rated the same whether you have your bets on or off on the come-out rolls, so you should probably keep them off (if you're playing for comps).
@@ColorUp I’m a fan of the 440-220-110 regression you posted awhile back. And I never cared about the point or not. My buddies I play with never work em while the point is off. I guess it comes down to personal preference lol. It sure feels good to win on a come out roll, but man it suuuure sucks to lose on a frontline winner seven 😂
2:34 it makes zero sense to me to place against your lay four. A place bet hedge can make sense against a don't or don't bet but not a lay bet. As you begin to transition fully to the Light Side you should just reduce your lay to 39 or so and then your 4 Hardway hedge sizing makes a lot more sense as well.
When playing for points, you want to keep money on the table not reduce. Thus place against lay vs remove.
@@ColorUp well then you know you're basically paying for those player points when you do that move
Would the "Arnold" get points faster?
I’m unfamiliar with that. But essentially how much money you have on table is how much points you get. $50 on table about 50 points if you play strat for hour. $500 on table would earn you 500 if played for hour.
What are the units if you wanted to scale up or down??
Well your lay bet should cover your inside bet. So $22 inside (5,6,8,9) you’d want about a $40 Lay bet to pay back $20.
$110 inside I used a $200 lay bet. And so on.
Would it be easier to just buy the 4 with $60 as soon as you get your first hit?
Easier yes, but it’s pulling more money from your rack.
Got it. Thank you 😊
your standard is three point molly with 5 times odds?
345x odds
Can you put $25 on any 7 when you roll out to cover a $100 don't pass?
Sure can. Math is bad though. Seven should show every 6 rolls. So one time you lose $100 without hedge bet, 5 times you would lose $25 ($125) with hedge bet. Of course that’s if dice roll perfectly to math probability. Any 7 bet could save you money or cost you money. Just depends how the dice roll.
This one scratches an itch. Quick question though, are you typically able to work only one of your place bets? I’ve been told all or not
You can work whichever you want, 2 of your 4 bets, all but one. Whatever you like.
Good to know thanks, I’ll give it a rip and see how it goes.
@@user-sc1wk8pr3cdepends on the casino. My home casino in Reno does not partially work bets. I guess on the cruise they do?
I’ve also been told that it’s all or nothing. Maybe it differs by casino?
@@EricG108 it must, because I’ve never seen that. It makes no sense. If they say that, say “sure, take all the other bets down and then after this roll you can set them all back up…or you can just turn the one bet on”. A lot less work for dealer.
Your casino will let you lay and place the 4 at the same time?
Yes, why wouldn’t they
@@ColorUp because it's a useless bet that takes up space on their table. You're betting for and against the same number. It's no different than trying to play both "pass" and "don't pass" which I have explicitly seen casinos say you can't do.
Plenty casinos do allow the “doey dont” pass and don’t pass at same time. But you are correct some do not. Both bets are still independent bets and carry their own house edge, so it’s to casinos advantage to allow. this strat doesn’t start out that way though as The lay 4 is exposed until enough profit to hedge it. this is a play just to keep as much money on layout without risk as possible for cruise comp points. Also, some cruise ships when a bet is hedged this way will not count both bets towards comps. I would not recommend this on land based casinos.
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On the buy bets, if you win and pull them down, do you get your vig back? Or do you only get the vig back when you pull down without winning?
Win you would lose vig. Pull down before a result, vig would be returned
Why would you get the vig back on the lay that you won?
You wouldn’t it’s my mistake when the bets returned to you you get your big back, but if it’s a winner, you would not get your big back
Are you pulling the lay after you win more than 44?
Certainly could. It’s hedged though and eventually that 7 is coming and it will win so 🤷♂️
Have you thought about hedging the come out 7 with a lay 4 &/or 10 ?
So use lay bet to hedge just that one roll? That’s a thought.
On the other hand, if I use don’t pass, then it might end up on 5-9, 🤷♂️
What is nice about that first move is you get to the original light and dark play and only 3 ways to loose. ( either way that’s the hole if your out to make money versus “earn a free cruise”)
Why would they return your vig back at 8:11?
A lay bet vig is returned to player if lay bet is taken down. However in this case it was a winning bet, so you are correct, vig wouldn’t be returned.
Question: isn't the vig 10 dollars and not 5 on the 200 lay?
Lay bet the vig is based on win amount. Buy bet the vig is based on bet amount. So Lay bet of $200 wins $100 which is $5 vig at 5%
@@ColorUp thnk you for the clarity
Why not put the whole $35 on the 4 each time?
I just like even amounts
Wouldn’t the vig go from $1 to $3 from $30 buy bet to $60 buy bet?
Yes. Good catch, my mistake
@@ColorUp thanks for the great content! Keep it up!
Are you still doing the poker thing too?
you have 30 on the 6 and 8.. you kept saying 25 pays 35
Thx, verbal mistake.
Does “the Arnold” not earn comps like the light/dark?
Not familiar with that. It’s essentially how much is out in the table. If $100 on table on avg. 100 points per hour would be your avg.
@@ColorUpThe Arnold strategy by Waylon’s which you’ve rolled out before? That what I was wondering if that strategy earns the comps like this one and how it rates in bankroll savings
@@Par420golf I have not rolled it out. It looked it up though and looks like it plays $150 on the table. So it should avg around 150 points played per hour.
And as usual it all depends on what the table is doing.
Just saying.
what do you ask the box person to find out how they rate you?
I just got off Harmony of the Seas; just ask your box dealer they can look up your bet average. On Harmony they had an ipad type device on a swivel arm the pit boss used to enter bets they could spin around and update. I started asking every dealer shift change to ensure it was accurate. They know everyone is playing for free cruise comps so don't be afraid to ask. I found asking at shift change was the best time the dealer / pit boss would know my name; table position and bet. I'd also tell them my bet strategy and it made playing smooth.
@@tireiron7500 roger that, im a biloxi gambler, and really trying to figure out this ADT/COMP/HOST deal.
“Hey Daniel, what do you have me rated at?” Simple as that. I’d wait for a slow moment at table. Maybe not ask when things are super busy.
@@ColorUp awesome! best answer i got on this guys. it may seem simple to any of you guys, but first timers like me is rough.
Not bad.
Does anyone one else feel as bad losing fake money as real money? Sadly, I do.
Why not hop 4 easy and hard hop
15 to 1 and 30 to 1 payout
You could, so maybe $10 easy 4 and $5 hard. Is $15 dollars worth it? Over time no, but until it’s hedged with a buy bet. Maybe.
If you hit an easy 4 like you did many times…why not go back to a $200 lay bet???…instead of having $110 inside and exposed to the 7. Again. If you hit the easy 4, then go right back up on the lay for $205 and the $10 hard 4!
You can. If it hit many times, it would be knocked of many times? No right answer, it’s just a guess…er gamble 😄
Paying ×2 vig
Don’t forget when you’re deep in a roll you can always turn off your place bets
True but turning off point earned which is what this strategy is about. You could probably get away with it for a few rolls though.
What cruise line gives you free comps like that? I'm going on a carnival cruise on September 🫠
I went on Royal Carribean. Won a free cruise and have since been emailed offers for 2 more