"Hello, Chair..." Full Breakdown & Comparison of the Enterprise-D BRIDGE in Picard S3
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I'm not afraid to admit I cried at the reveal of the Enterprise-D. She's just as beautiful as she was at Farpoint.
Didn't tear up but did choke up and lost all words
Pretty sure everybody that watched it teared up.
@@eddieschwab864 Yep, we did indeed.
Any reference to Farpoint makes me want to cry, too. Because it was AWFUL to such an extent that it's TNG's F-bomb, and we do not speak of it.
Same, TNG was a show we watched as a family when I was growing up. So it was emotionally touching for many reasons for me. I just wish my mom and dad were here to see it, they would have loved it.
I know they only filmed on this set for a little over 3 hours. I really hope they didn’t trash the set afterwards. It is a work of art.
in an interview the picard team said they where all in agreement it should be preserved and is in the star trek archive currently
I hope they use this set for another TNG movie. Nemesis movie leaves a sour taste in our mouths.
@@raymondyu412 How would that work?
@@marmac83 Doesn't matter. Make it so !
No they’ve said it was 2 days
They did such a fantastic job with this recreation. It's heart breaking that we may never see this again post season end. I hope they consider going back to this kind of aesthetic in future bridges.
I hope not. I love this bridge but having an 80s aesthetic once again on the Trek ships to fulfill nostalgia needs is illogical.
Eddie, yer probably one of those people that are repulsed by carpet
@@eddiek8179 It is kinda deflating thinking that the E-D bridge is 80's retro. To me it was always classy, warm and inviting. The modern bridges just seem so harsh and purpose built.
Tastes change and time marches on i suppose..... ;)
@@wkbdgeorge Let's no be shallow and assumptive. Despite that edict, I'm certain you have comprehension when you know I said I love the 80s bridge.
@@rmg598 You know you are right. There's a way to blend the two styles for the best outcome. The Captain's quarters on the Enterprise in Stranger New Worlds is pretty warm, inviting and homey while being modern and current. Perhaps they can bring that aesthetic to other bridges on the ships while keeping it functional. The lighting and cinematography is critical - Bridges like the D if lit wrongly looks like a set and becomes dated. The D was lit and filmed pretty well here although some would disagree saying it was too dark. It's darker in comparison to the older shows but it is not dark per se. It is pretty cinematic and gives more depth and dare I say it, respect.
They did a really good job with the LCARS, especially when all the panels start up. Looks good while still maintaining the feel of the original
I loved that bit. It felt more alive without changing the layout. If you are going to add detail to old sets it should feel like it was always there, you just didn't see it before and that's how this feels. It's perfect.
The subtle differences can at least be accounted for in that geordi had to rebuild it almost from scratch.
And God bless his dedication and love...
And behind the camera, the production crew
Absolutely
Doubt, he was alone in the rebuilding. But, he was very much in charge, and yeah. Kind of have to have a lot of dedication and passion to rebuild anything. Be it restoring some priceless fancy lamp to a heavy tank to a Galaxy-Class Cruiser. Need as much passion and dedication to fill a ship that size to rebuild and restore her to her to her near former glory.
Especially since when the Enterprise D went down the bridge had had a refit with consoles on the side wall and an elevated platform for the command chair. Geordi and his team would have been not only restoring the ship but reverse engineering it back to its 2370 appearance. Presumably Geordi would have had to source the parts from the fleet or replicate custom parts so that definitely covers the little differences.
I agree, there are differences between sister ships of the same class in modern navys, so the little things that are a bit off just add to the realism IMO.
i will be honest, that yellow tone stuff, dosnt matter for me, they tried really hard, took effort to redo the bridge with mostly accurate result.
and i am grateful for the people working on S3 / and on this set.
it feels like coming HOME.
The key point to remember here is that this is not supposed to just be the original Enterprise-D bridge, preserved all these years unchanged, but a restoration by Geordi. Remember that sometime between "All Good Things..." and "Generations," the bridge had been changed rather significantly. And then in, in Generations, it gets basically demolished by the crash on Veridian III. So there was probably very little of the original to work with. So it makes sense that every single little detail is not going to be 100% perfect. I think from an in-universe perspective, Geordi did a fantastic job restoring it, and from a real-world standpoint, the production team pulled off an amazing feat recreating such an iconic set so accurately.
My only beef, really, is not in the set itself but in the lighting. I understand television has changed. But this is supposed to be an old ship from a different era. I think they should have lit it the same as it was lit back in the TNG days. Just my personal opinion.
The lighting feels a little bit muted. But we shoot and light things differently in 2023, modern bridge design is SO dark... this is beautiful. They ARE showing us a modern view of a classic set. I love everything about this.
It kinda has a dreamy feel about it if that makes sense. Or maybe theyre just simulating one's vision while watching the set with tears streaming down our faces.
I think it's the colour grading pass that everything is given these days. I'm sure the set was spot on.
it was darker in GEnerations too. if you remember.
think they should have restored the generations bridge insteaD?
I have no idea why they decided to go with pink lights for the floor, side walls, and aft station strip lighting.
As a note, the fact that this set was shot digitally while the original set was shot on film will change how the set looks.
One for instance is that on film light spots get washed out and you lose detail, while with digital media you lose detail in the dark places, this is why in the TV show you could see detail below the command chairs, while with Picard it's much darker below the chairs.
They should tour this set.
I’d gladly pay extra to sit in the captain’s chair and get a photograph. They could rent this out to various conventions and use it for filming additional Star Trek ‘Legacy’ scenes
I was on the recreated bridge at the Star Trek The Experience several times - the view behind the horseshoe is always awesome - Worf had the best seat in the house!
Agreed. We were at the ST Experience about a month before they closed. Many of the props had already been sold off. That walk from the “transporter” room along the corridor, and finally walking onto the bridge was spectacular. Shame they closed it.
Yea those sets were great. It is a shame that experience is gone
Terry brought in all of the original designers of the original TNG bridge, to consult on every aspect of this recreation - because he knew there would be folks like you guys who would analyze everthing for authenticity, including Michael Okuda to consult on all of the digital displays. For his contribution he got a starship named after him :)
The variation I believe is camera, film, post production. But more importantly, they might not be able to get the same bulbs
I would just love to see the TOS bridge recreated like this. It was done with love and care.
Well, they did recreate the TOS bridge for Enterprise, and I thought it looked fantastic.
Or perhaps watch TNG's Relics episode? They did recreate the TOS bridge there
@@lovipoekimo176 the Relics bridge was only a partial set unfortunately. You can find behind-the-scenes shots of it online, but it basically consisted of the captain’s chair, the helm/navigation console, and that one segment of wall containing the door to the turbolift. (The shot of Scotty entering the bridge was accomplished by blue-screening Doohan into archival footage)
@@lovipoekimo176 Relics used a very small section and camera tricks.
Honestly I thought we'd get several old ships from the fleet museum not just the D. Seeing the TOS/TMP bridge or the Defiant or Voyager or the NX would have been nice too.
It's a restoration. These could be parts from other ships too. It was wrecked pretty well with dome ripped open too.
Headcanon for the lighting: Geordi changed all the bulbs out from service standard to museum-grade so that the carpet and upholstery would last longer due to less intense lighting.
Geordi never actually saw the original lights…
@@LG-rg4ut...what's your point?
@@LG-rg4ut ohhh that’s right and if it was done In secret I’m sure he (and daughter) could only get what was around after the Dominion war and Romulan relocation.
In addition, I think in the 2360s they still were using 1990s era yellow-beige computer case materials which colorized and altered I just over the years.
@@autecheee Fun fact. Beige computer cases were that colour on purpose because it actually didn't age as quickly. If they were white or a light grey they'd eventually yellow, but being yellow to begin with made it take much longer to show signs of age. It's kind of an ironic twist that we consider things that colour to be old because many things that are now old were that colour on purpose to avoid that very situation lol.
The biggest change was in season 1 the wall behind the chairs and underneath them was painted white and they were anchored to that short wall instead of the floor, to appear like they were "floating", this became a problem with larger actors sitting on the chairs and so when they changed out the captain's chair they painted that lower wall part a darker colour and then securely bolted the chairs to the floor on pedestals beneath them rather than having them cantilever out from the wall behind them.
They faithfully recreated that change in Picard that matches most of the seasons, the little chairs off to the side of the main three changed and season-to-season, but those seemed to be able to be changed according to need from scripts, like a modular ottoman chair lol
They did a great job on this bridge. The new Enterprise-D bridge MUST be saved. But like you guys said, you can fix the color in post. So maybe they can fix it.
They did such a great job with this….I am kind of surprised they didn’t incorporate the additional stations from Generations…I know they did this to recreate the series version, but the final version of the D had the added workstations.
I would guess from a 'production point of view' the side/aux consoles wouldn't be needed in terms of immediate plot & filming (we don't see additional crew and/or wasn't scripted). Bu, if were Geordi curating a museum, i'd say: This was the most common layout dear visitors that I personally remember & environment we lived in while we explored the quadrant...
Geordi also most definitely had to source parts from other ships in the fleet, so maybe he decided to just restore the bridge back to its original state without the additional consoles.
Not just the side consoles. I think in Generations they brought Worf's console down a bit to make him a bit more level with the command chairs, but here it is back to the original height. No matter, it's fantastic to see it back!
As a fan of TNG from day one, and a photographer, you guys summed up my feelings lighting wise in this video! Great analysis and great video!
As you mentioned, the set was originally filmed back in the analog days of filming, and the way they did color grading back in the analog days was that they stuck a colored filter over the camera lens. If you look at the gray areas around the turbolifts, they have a lot of pink in them. So I'm betting that they used a pinkish lens filter in those shots where it looks less yellow. That more yellowy wall color may be correct - you're just not used to seeing it without the color tnit of the lens filter appied to it.
There was more subtlety available than simple lens filters. There was a process known as color timing where the final print could be adjusted to taste when it was produced from the camera negative. Whether there was enough budget or time available to do this on a TV series is another matter but if you look in the credits of movies shot on film you will see someone credited as the color timer.
Honestly I prefer the muted lighting and color grading vs the old 90's feel, it is same bridge, but viewed from the perspective and eye of a modern movie
Camera and grading technology has changed hugely.
Now all we need is for the next episode to have a scene in Picard's Ready Room and Riker to come in and perform the Riker Maneuver.
James Cawley, the Okudas and Doug Drexeler were all involved in the bridge build.
@Woody's Augmented Reality James Cawley was heavily involved with TNG and DS9 and Voyager, especially with set design, that was his Forte.
His involvement on the other side of the camera was why when he created new voyages he was able to get a lot of alumni support on both sides of the camera including various actors such as George Takei Walter Koenig as well as various previous guest star actors. So don't write him off as a fake. Plus don't forget on one of the new voyages episodes he even got the guy that originally designed the Enterprise-d for TNG, Andrew Probert, to make a brief Cameo appearance at the beginning. So we're not talking about somebody that is a non-factor outside of fanfic world but somebody that has had extensive experience over the years with the show...
@Eddie Schwab I don't think that information is accurate. James is a great guy, but he was not involved in TNG, DS9, or VOY and he was not involved with set design for them. He did appear in the 2009 Star Trek film and his sets were used in an episode of Enterprise, but not the earlier series.
Whatever excuse they have for the lack of lighting on their sets goes out the window now. Brighter lighting looks great and you can see everything without straining.
I think it's a storytelling technique. The universe has gotten darker since the crew of the Enterprise scattered as changelings infiltrated Starfleet over the last few years. Now the gang is back to bring the light back to the universe.
It makes that scene where they turn the lights on more symbolic. More emotionally powerful. This is the trek we remember and they are bringing it back to us only because everyone is now back together.
Recent star trek has only two modes for lighting their ship interiors. There's a moonless night in a cave, or there is LENSE FLARE. Take your pick.
@@NatashaEstradaThis. This is the take. Thanks for putting it to words.
Something to consider about the lights and grading is that PIC is shot and graded in 10-bit HDR. So that alone will change the colour saturation and would explain why the same light intensity would clip ("whiter than white") in NTSC but in HDR you can actually resolve the gradients of the ceiling light diffusers.
It’s like coming home to the place you grew up in and I bet most of us on here grew up with this on our to screens , I remember laying on the carpet in our lounge at home watching TNG and totally losing awareness of the room I was in , it felt more like I was laying on the carpet of the bridge until the episode ended and I came crashing back to reality.
There will be more new members who has risen in mothership and spaceports, they'll feeling at home in floating cities.
Regarding the color of the carpet and walls, part of that could also be She's been lived in (TNG) versus rebuilt for museum (Picard); plus, as you noted: lighting color changed for Picard. And as you said: Geordi rebuilt her, some of the parts are remade but with new processes and materials.
And lighting REALLY affects perception of color, which could also be affecting the look of the Picard-Enterprise versus S3-S7
I'm wondering if Geordi just swapped in an entirely different bridge module. The last time we actually saw that bridge on screen, it had side stations on raised platforms..
I have the theory that the benterprise did recevive a new bridge cap with the 2370 refit because starfleet reasons or because the fleet masume wanted to have a displable enterpise bridge for tours and to protect enterprise d orginal bridge. Considering the federation was going to war against the dommion.
@@dustind3960 Dominion war was not a Fete accompli when Generations occurred. Otherwise I'm sure that conflict with the Dominion would have been written into the script of the film. That being said it's certainly a Pity that they didn't make any films based on DS9 at the very least as well, after all we have yet to see if Captain Sisko returns from the celestial Temple
@@dustind3960 i think they extended the bridge for the movie that it fits more into the 16:9 format?
According to what Burton stated, the only difference was this time they had a steeper ramp heading down to the stations. I was wondering where the Generations stations went on the redesigned bridge however.
Is it the ramp leading down or was it the shape of the horse shoe tactical panel? It looks like the shape of the horse shoe console seems off to me.
@@BimmerGuyFL I think that was just the camera lens stretching things differently.
The Generations bridge was likely too costly to reproduce and they were already overbudgeted, hence the use of the recycled Stargazer, La Sirena and Ten Forward sets from last season.
I remember reading back then that Paramount spent a fistful of cash updating the tv bridge set for Generations, even down to the costly widening redesign of the ceiling struts so they were more pronounced on camera ( to say nothing about raising the command stations and putting the set on a gimbal).
Overall, i'm glad they went with the simpler more well known version in Picard. :)
@@rmg598 the D bridge from the movie exists on film for an hour, the d bridge from the series exists for hours. Makes perfect sense to copy the television series over the movie.
The team did a spectacular job! The amount of research and respect this team showed to the canon was remarkable.
They should save this bridge for one final TNG movie. Have Terry and Frakes co-direct this film!
season 3 of _Picard IS_ the final _TNG_ movie…
The bridge set IS being preserved, reportedly.
And when they're done with it, give it to me!!
@@JohnnyX50 to keep it as a decoration or keep it as memorial of the Enterprise D?
I love that you can see one of the iconic black bits of paper in the 1987 Bridge set in the thumbnail
Keep in mind that the Enterprise-D saucer was mostly destroyed on Veridian III in Star Trek Generations. Geordi rebuilt the Enterprise-D the best he could with newer or modern material. So it’s not going to be a 100% match to the original. With that said, it is a damned good recreation. Loved seeing the D again. I missed that Enterprise the most.
Must have been great seeing that bridge in person again after all those years. Did a fantastic job recreating it.
I'm just happy they recreated the bridge so faithfully and didnt do some modern take on it. When i saw the set pictures previous to the episode launch i thought someone was pulling my leg and showing me touched up photos from the original TNG set.
Seeing the actual episode had me in shock to say the least.
So....
The saucer was recovered from Viridian 3. I have an issue with the fact we are missing the side consols from Generations. Not that I'm complaining, just an observation
That bridge was toast and bridge modules are, well, _modular._
What if starfleet happen to decide it was easier or wanted to have a replacement bridge installed for the movie star trek generations when enterprise got it first major minor refit in 2370 or 2371. Or maybe the procurer of tue starfleet masume at the time in 2370 wanted to have a major peice of enterprise d to be displayed at the masume for the main beidge was choosen to be place in the fleet masume because enterprise d was pluging with a new updraded bridge cap
@Lex no, that's very true, and I 100% acknowledge its series accident. It's just an observation, I guess.
I think Geordi wanted to restore the bridge to its classic look that it had for most of its life and that he was most experienced with. This is the bridge in its most famous state that is what visitors to the museum would most want to experience.
Similar to how the New Jersey remains a classic Constitution type rather than having been refitted to the same type as the Enterprise-A.
Honestly this new set looks more "real" to me like it looks like a functional starship bridge rather than a tv set with tv lighting.
I hope this recreation of the set never gets destroyed. In fact it should be setup in a museum somewhere and taken care of.
Where is this new Enterprise-D bridge set now? Is it still intact or torn down after Picard ended?
When making a recreation of something as complex as a bridge scenario that was literally destroyed decades ago, inconsistencies are prone and expected to happen, and I don't fault them for that. They did do an amazing job, regardless. Though if we think in-universe, I believe it is safe to say that such differences are due to the whole ship's restoration process. The saucer section _was_ severely damaged and the shots of the bridge showed the thing completely wrecked. So in-universe, we can understand that Geordi had to replace almost everything inside the saucer: Carpets, chairs, consoles, screens, panels, lights, etc. Like restoring an old car, get everything absolutely the way they were is nearly impossible. Even the own factory (on rare occasions when the factory makes the restoration of a car for someone) often doesn't get everything exactly as they were when the vehicle was new. Real world-wise, they did a fantastic job.
I haven't watched Picard yet (I'm still new to Trek and only watched TNG and DS9 and am about half-way through Voyager at the moment, as well as having watched the first two TNG movies, so far) and to be honest, wasn't really interested in it, but this here changed my mind. After Voyager and Enterprise, I'll be giving Picard a watch.
One thing that's definitely not changed is muscle memory. Sir Pat Stew's full "engage" move - lean forward, say the line with the gesture, lean back into the chair, slight head tilt? That was hammered into his cerebellum through endless takes over seven years and that's never, ever, ever going away.
Also,the framing of the shots back then vs 2023
Isn't picard shot wide?
Tv was 4:3 and this picard show is 2.40:1?
That would play into contrasting visuals how we see the bridge now and then
I think they did a pretty good job of restoring it! I'm just curious why they didn't make it look like the bridge from Generations since that is how it last looked. Guess they were just going for the full on nostalgia!
That's down to Geordie.
I like the brighter colors of the D in Comparison to the dark dingy newer ships. It was great to see her back and them on her once again.
10:00 You can see on the backs of the consoles that they're more in shadow on Picard and you also noticed the shadow on the crew as well.
11:50 Where the bezel of the viewscreen meets the ceiling illuminated area is more curved on TNG.
On the right panelling beside the door you can see a block shadow cast indicating that there was a spotlight on the far left of the set
Again, warm lights above the doors in the Picard version as opposed to cold lights.
Slightly sharper edges on the front consoles.
One other thing I noticed was the warm light on the Picard version in the front console stand as opposed to the cold blue light in the TNG version.
I think lighting is one of the key things and it also affects the colour grading. All looks a little more movie like with fewer lights used to give more contrast rather than a more ambient feeling of the TNG.
Absolutely fantastic job however! So soooo much better than I expected. Truly remarkable and great that they didn't mix and match different season's versions of the bridge! It's just season 7 right don to the wooden frame on the plaque which is great! Hats off! A lot of love shown in this recreation!
This is the most fun game of spot the difference! 🤣
I am LOVING these detailed breakdowns of episode 9 by various UA-camrs! Bittersweet feelings about the final episode. It is almost certainly the final time we will see the crew of the Enterprise D together. That sux, but at least we get to see the save the day one last time. I can, and cannot wait.
I'll take it. Never thought we would see them together again after Nemesis. Very glad they were able to talk Stewart into it, as a TNG reunion was most definitely not what he wanted to do when he signed on for Picard.
I’m also amazed about the…I don’t know what to call it, the padding on the left and right of the bridge is gray, but originally it somehow appeared slightly purple-gray.
Whether they intended to or not, I think there’s a message for the Axanar production team of “Paramount can faithfully recreate something, too.”
I hope this set is reused in a rehash of Star Trek Experience. Setting on foot of thier Enterprise D bridge was an amazing experience
The two bridges built to handle the volume of visitors at the Star Trek experience were very good, but one notable difference is there was very little rise from the front at the bridge up to the rear, probably for handicapped access reasons, the top the captain's chair almost hits the top of the horseshoe because there is very little slant to the side ramps in the Las Vegas versions.
Other than that they were amazing.
I got to take a behind-the-scenes tour of the Star Trek experience and able to linger as long as I wanted, I had my picture taken in the captain's chair.
But they did change that one little aspect with the side ramps however I do hope those were saved and put into storage because there are so many people that would go to visit them where they allowed to.
The small differences in colours can have a lot to do with fading on materials over the 20 years when exposed to the air. I have an old computer from the 90s where you either pull off a sticker or open up somewhere that was never exposed to light or air and you can see big differences.
Exactly. That’s what I was thinking.
The first thing that stood out to me was that the picard set looked a lot neutral and flat. I noticed that things looked more yellow such as the walls and chairs. From the series, I thought there was more cool grays, hints of purple and light browns.
The bridge is 99.9% perfect. The thing I noticed is the height of the con and ops panels .I think the chairs for have been and inch taller. Love it non the less.
I hope we get to some other rooms including Picard's ready room, the conference room and engineering.
Space logistics and transportation control room, bridge office room, engineering hull, science and research hull…these are public zones.
Then to every crew member, they has their personal transporter, private room, bathroom, reading bar, personal fitness support system, real-time daily nutrition suggestion and healthcare results according to DNA and RNA scanning, interstellar delivery service between galactic centers and shopping/trade centers, etc.
I prefer the tng closeup shots, the brighter lighting, and the color hue of the walls. Everything in the original was better.
I really loved seeing the Enterprise -D Bridge.
Great work! It was so refreshing to see some brightness on this show, even if it wasn’t perhaps quite to TNG brightness lol
I would love to have a video game that faithfully, beautifully, and accurately renders the Enterprise bridge in stunning high definition.
Back whenever Star Trek Elite Force was being developed, I was a member of their message boards and the developers were pretty active on the boards. One of them in particular was really eager to make as much of the ship as possible with level design for the fans.
It's a very impressive recreation. I suspect that they had some kind of colour references since they also used original blueprints to construct this version of the bridge.
I will say that the colour grading of the TNG remaster never felt right to me. I much prefer the darker reds of the uniforms but that's just what I remember from the early 90's.
They tried to match the colour grading of the original broadcasts, which were made for CRT. CRT had a tendency to not produce reds quite as richly as other colours, so they would overdo the magenta slightly when grading (or use a gel while shooting) which is why a lot of 80's and 90's TV shows have a kind of pink look to them when watched on modern TV's. They toned this down when they remastered them to look how it was intended to look on a CRT, but on a flat panel if that makes sense.
unfortunately with the lighter yellow all i can think of is like a piece of old 80's tech that went yellow in the attic.
I certainly agree with what you said that the PIC set looks so good that the mind kinda lingers a bit and kinda thinks its fake despite it being a real set. Outside of the nitpick however, the rebuilding of the set is mind blowing and amazing.
The obvious thing is that the lights on the Conn and OPS stations should be blueish like the ones in the alcoves and on the Captains chair
I’ve noticed that the BTS pics coming out look much brighter and closer to how it looked in the 90s. Be curious to see that analysis too.
I noticed that the two asymmetrical black “rectangles” above/behind the captains chair are etched into the material. In the original they were just painted on.
The thing that stood out for me beyond anything else was the colour of the light of the two front consoles. Very much bluer in TNG, and looking somehow aged and yellowed in Picard - I suppose perhaps deliberately?
I never realized they used cool 4000-4500k+ lighting for the rim lighting under the left and right wall ceiling panel rims, and the large light panels under the CONN/OPS and flanking chairs, shoes were practically BLUE in TNG
The big question is (and this is from having Wright Patterson Air Force Base and the Museum of the United States Air Force basically in the backyard), did they have a full time restoration crew to handle all of the work or were they an all volunteer group sworn to secrecy or just drones?
They filmed the new bridge with obvious filters so it’s really tough to say what the real yellow/beige color is.
With the new set, the thing that sticks out to me is soft focus and bloom.
Part of that is likely post process. But another part of it is also that the TV seasons are using some kind of strong lighting from behind the camera man to clearly illuminate the actors. In the 'Picard' wide shot, there isn't a strong frontal illumination light going on, and that makes it feel darker.
My nitpick was the spacing of the black taping behind the captain's chair. Given the level of detail (and overall magnificent job they did) I was surprised this was missed.
Love love love the recreation of this bridge 🎉
I don’t know if anyone else has pointed this out yet, BUT… Geordi La Forge, not even 30 seconds from the reveal, stated that this is the saucer section that Troi had “crashed” on Veridian III.
Now, what that means is this: the Enterprise-D saucer section from the 1994 feature film, Star Trek: Generations is what crashed on Veridian III. Now, what THAT means is that THIS IS NOT THE CORRECT BRIDGE! THAT bridge (from Generations) was a “refit,” and had steps between the captain’s/XOs chairs and the ops/con stations, which they, too, were closer together, among other things. Again, it was a refit. The bridge from Picard, however, is meant to look like the one from the TNG series. I only mention it because Geordi just said it was THAT Enterprise; the saucer section that crashed on Veridian III in Star Trek: Generations.
So, if it truly came from Veridian III, then it SHOULD HAVE looked like it did in Generations.
Trekkies watching trek then analyzing trek, watched by other trekkies. Can't get anymore Trek than this.
There is one thing I noticed in these screen grabs about the strip lights above the storage lockers and turbolifts, in the TNG shots that lighting is blue whereas in Picard its yellowish. But I think a lot of what we're seeing here can be put to down to repairs made my Geordi simply because of how severely trashed the bridge was by the end of Generations.
13:34 I thought the horseshoe looked slightly darker brown in TNG's last two seasons (not as dark as Season 1 though). In fact, I always felt the bridge had a few slight tweaks in Season 6. Like the carpet looks like it was re-laid again as it looks a slightly different shade compared to Seasons 3-5. Particularly the red carpeting as it appeared to have little square patterns which it didn't have before. You'll notice this in close up shots on the floor or the small back wall area behind the command chairs. So maybe that's why the wood's darker in PIC.
Really. Need to keep in mind. Enterprise-D was "Destroyed". It was rebuilt by bits and pieces of other Galaxy-Class ships. The only piece of the Enterprise-D that survived was the saucer section. Even with such a big piece, it is pretty much in good shape and roughed up. Much of the interior likely needed to be replaced. And for 20 years. It was in drydock being rebuilt. So. Things had to change due to pieces missing, damaged beyond repair, or the editors screwed up on coloring in post.
Really, I do not like how dark the bridge is. Even if it is a time of war. The bridge of the D was pretty bright normally.
I think the color grading is thematic. The Titan is mostly cool blues and darker colors, whereas the Enterprise is warm, inviting, and relaxed.
That Star Trek Experience bridge recreation is beautiful. It's so close it doesn't matter if the light bulbs are too yellow. They had two on the Experience. One of them was taken away to replace it for the Borg 3D ride, and packed away, presumably to Paramount, and then the other stuff was destroyed in 2008 when the ride got taken down entirely.
They must have saved that bridge. It showed up on the Tours too.It's the bridge we got to walk all over back in 2006 or so. Same bridge. I sat at every console and got to look it over.
If it's not, it's a near perfect recreation of the season 7 bridge from the Vegas ride.
They’ve given us so much this season, but the bridge of the Enterprise-D is the topper!
It’s worth noting the film stocks changed for season 3, which may account for some of the color variance between 1-2 and 3-7
The lighting... could it have been incandescent for the yellowish lighting and fluorescent bulbs the white-ish lighting they were using during S1-7 vs maybe LED lighting in Picard? That could easily account for many of the differences in both light levels, light colours, and possibly even the colours that various set pieces appeared to be.
Just sayin, we got the paint colors off of a contact who owns a piece of trashed OG bridge when it was thrown out off the Paramount lot, and checked them with Drexler and Okuda before proceeding. It was a great stress of mine (lol)😅
I don’t know if you watched the 3x10 sneak peek yet, but I noticed the red alert graphics on the wall beside the aft work stations have this gradual fade in and fade out effect that In the TNG series was always an abrupt on then off blinking. Just a nitpick though, everything looks fantastic! 😊
Also in the teaser the aft vertical alert panels completely flashed on and off, whereas in the show only the top and bottom flashed (the center remained solid).
@@rmg598 You are correct, during season 1 the top and bottom graphic blinked and the two Center ones remained solid. Season 2 onward all four blink. As well as the isoliniar lockers were brown and solid as opposed to the individual grey lockers. I guess Geordi wanted to restore the bridge to what is was mostly and not the season 1 or generations variants.
You could argue that was down to LCARS updates. Even if it's still using old systems the software can still be updated to something more recent.
@@TalesOfWar True, there would be some expected updates when putting together 2360's tech decades later. I dont really see them nitpicks as such, just pointing out differences for fun. :)
The difference in the appearance of the lighting might be because they used fluorescent lights in the series and the ones used on the new bridge set look like LEDs
What happened to the Enterprise-D's bridge modification at the time of Star Trek Generations?
A lot of the comments about where its darker are pretty obvious to me.
When shooting they used to have a lot of soft boxes to light the characters in that spot just off camera, so that light went everythwere including the ceiling aspects, walls etc making them bright.
Technology including able to shoot in lower light setttings it feels like they are using the ambiance of the lighting that is built into the set without additional lighting.
Did they have the Kari Lake camera filter on? Why is the bridge looking so fuzzy?
As for the startrek generations movie enterprise d bridge i alway thought thr the ridge cap was a totally new galaxy class bridge. Which leave option the orginal enterprise d bridge ws already at the fleet masume in 2371?
There is definitely a difference in how the bridge was constructed during the original TV run to what we see now. The trim in the ceiling that hangs over tactical is thinner in the Picard than TNG. Over all, they did a great job. I just think they are working with different materials along with the different lighting and filming tech has changed over time.
Yeah, the depth of field thing is partly a modern choice (as is the colour correction), and also frankly easier to achieve with the modern moody lighting - to achieve deep focus, the set needs to be very well lit.
They're probably using longer lenses too in Picard than in TNG, partly due to it being 16:9 rather than 4:3, that can change perspective. Not to mention using less light lends itself to using a wider aperture which lets you get those bokeh effects.
I did notice they rebuilt the bridge to pre-movie Enterprise D since there are no stations on the outer walls. And its missing the raised command area.
Guys have a look at the Ready Room. Mike Okuda tours the bridge with Wil Wheaton and any colours changes/saturation might be more noticeable 😎
Tristan, did they even build the Ready Room? I dont recall seeing that in the Okuda tour. I figured the bridge was all we were gonna get....
Duh. I just figured out you meant Wil Wheaton's show, not the set. Ha
@@rmg598 🤣🤣🤣
Absolutely no complaints here. Like you guys said, it was restored, so tiny discrepancies are to be expected. LOVE THE BRIDGE!!! I hope we get to see at least a couple more rooms, especially the ready room.
Love this bridge! Don’t hate me but love the Generations bridge more 👍🏻🖖🏻
I prefer the weapons systems on the Enterprise-E...
@@joelthomson8697 That will be Geordi's next resto project, trying to fix up whatever Worf did to the Enterprise-E 😜
I agree with Riker that you didn’t bring up was the viewing screen is different. With the sides
They actually did not cut the original show on film. The show was originally telecined to tape and edited on video. Visual FX we’re done on video too.
Modern lighting and digital film made it impossible to match exactly how it appeared back then. Picard is also shot anamorphically, which shallows the depth of field.
Modern cameras also have FAR MORE gamma latitude, so you’ll see detail in areas you wouldn’t have seen on the old film stock. Modern lights are LED too, unlike to old tungsten fixtures they used back in the day. Berman also liked to use a terrible promist filter on the camera lens, which is a cheap way of adding a “smoke-like” effect to the shots. Now they are using true haze, which looks better IMO. I personally would have graded the new show differently, as I have never liked the yellow tones of the bridge, but they did a remarkable job.
Long story short, film technique has changed A LOT since then.
I hope they clean up the grade a little more for the UHD release, but we’ll see.
Do you think we will see the Riker maneuver one last time?
From what I understand of the technical manuals (which isn't extensive), the ships were modular in design so that entire parts, like the bridge, could be removed and replaced as a whole. Perhaps between "All Good Things" and "Generations" the shipyards refit the bridge module (which accounts for the extra work stations on the side) and put the old bridge module in storage. When Geordi rebuilt it in Hanger 12, he could have reused the old module instead of trying to rebuild the destroyed one. As for the color, he only ever saw the D bridge with his VISOR (with the crazy way that it synthesized every end of the spectrum), and now he's looking at it with his ocular implants.
Behind the scenes, the way they light the set is different now. For TNG on tv they used lighting stands behind the camera, and you can see the multiple, harsher shadows behind Picard when he's sitting the his chair (14:30). Also, the color grading is quite different as can be seen by the skin tones; Picard's skin is much warmer in TNG; much cooler in ST:P. Everything else follows suit with the warm/cool balance.
The one thing I would have preferred was if they used the movie bridge with the additional stations on the left and right. I never cared for the access panels on the sides, it just felt like there were not enough stations. Like was shown in the Enterprise B and Enterprise E.
As for the difference, considering that even when active each bridge within a star ship class could be any of a few different variants actually makes the tiny differences able to be simply explained away.
I was surprised that there were not some remnants of the Generations Bridge.
Has anyone mentioned the fact that this isn't what the D bridge looked like the last time we saw it? In Generations, it was modified with extra panels and a raised platform beneath the horseshoe. I assume this was just a stylistic choice.
So we are totally obsessing over the lights. Ok, there’s a million reasons possible here, from a different type of plastic coverings, to LED bulbs instead of old halogens, to color correcting in the editing room to match the color scheme of the rest of the episodes of Picard.
To my eye, the hand rail terminates by meeting another lower rail at the corners in the old ones, and in the new ones the rail is one sweeping rail, and the two computer panels in the front are wider and farther apart in the new ones. Also it’s a redder carpet in the new one. And the actors are a grayer hue in general, especially in the hair.
i know i am not the only one that cried when they all got on the bridge together. it was just so wonderful, i cannot believe what a great job they did in recreating this. it is sad we don't have the original set but this one belongs in a museum.i just want the whole last episode to be on this bridge focusing on the TNG crew, and please I beg you do not kill any of them off