@@EdgeofNowhereFarm During World War II some Conscientious Objectors were employed on farms, and veteran's groups complained that farm work was too easy! (How many of them had worked on a farm?)
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm , here's a link to making the grow bags. He used a different fabric, but feed sacks work the same way. P.s. see my comments below his video as I explain why not to cut the corners off. 💖🌞🌵😷 ua-cam.com/video/vq3aBghgGfo/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
Another good to watch video. It’s so encouraging to see all of your wonderful progress you have scratched out of hard desert earth. Don’t forget you two, pace yourselves, no end of year burnout😊 I’m always glad to see a new video from the Edge of Nowhere homesteaders♥️
Hey there, glad you found us! Pigs are one of our favorite animals to have here on the farm. They are just like teenagers....very destructive teenagers!
What you have achieved is amazing! I am in a dry subtropics area of Australia. Water is always an issue and we have enrered an el nino weather pattern, which means prolonged dry/drought. Your farm has inspired me to keep going, when I was ready to throw in the towel. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I'm glad we can encourage you to hang in there. We have a lot of viewers from Australia, so I imagine you have some similar challenges to what we face here.
I am loving seeing the fall flush come in for the farm! The kitties are looking happy and I’m excited to see your upcoming videos mentioning how many rodents Willow gets I hope. We have an indoor cat and my wife knows I want to get a cat to help take care of our rodent population. I can sit out in the morning or evening and watch them running up and down the trees.
The Fall flush is always exciting to see. After a long, hot summer it's a reprieve for everything and everyone on the farm! We're hopeful for the cats as well. Every time we see a mouse, rat or ground squirrel we think of them wandering the property and taking them out!
Funny you should mention that. Our accountant always has us print a detail on our small tools and equipment thinking we're miss labeling a capital expense. We keep reminding him that we're a farm and it takes a LOT of small pieces of equipment to keep things chugging along! Not to mention the feed!!
Wow, you are so lucky your caliche is 18"+ down! I was wondering why you never seemed to use a jackhammer or excavator to prep your soil. We live just outside Tucson and our caliche is RIGHT below the surface. We have to use both jackhammers and excavators to do any planting - just in our residential yard. 🙁
That stuff really is our biggest challenge from a soil standpoint for most of us in AZ. Our first property was on the side of a hill, so we had about 12" of fill dirt and then solid rock, so it can get worse!
Bunch grasses coming soon.... I'm a little excited to see what you picked, and hope it's something native. Maybe some Panicum "Cloud Nine"? Could I be that lucky? Nah, you really need that for the back area just so you can enjoy the view. Maybe Big Bluestem? I'm really looking forward to your report on the Tepary beans. It''s too wet to grow them here, but I might have to order some just to see how they are in ham-n-bean soup and/or chili.
We're having a heck of a time finding switchgrass starts. There are a few other "grasses" in the local nurseries, but I get the feeling we may need to wait for Spring to find the "good stuff".
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Getting starts might be a problem, yeah. Even the Pheonix Home Depot's website says they'd have to order in the Switch Grass. That's for a 1-gallon pot, though, and you'd have to divide it yourself. I checked with Izel Plants, and they say they can't ship to AZ. That might be an issue with State law, worried about "invasive" plants. Weird that you can get Vetiver all day long, but a native grass that actually grows in the state is No Bueno. I'll continue the hunt!
Your channel is so inspiring. I found your channel by searching raising chickens in Phoenix. We haven’t started homesteading for a few reasons, but one of the main reasons is travel. We love to travel but don’t know who would take care of things while we’re gone. In this video you mentioned that you went on a trip, so I was wondering who took care of the animals. Did you recruit family, or did you hire someone from thumbtack or similar app or was it a neighbor? I would love your tips on this issue. Thank you for creating this UA-cam channel…I’m really enjoying it.
Glad you found us and are enjoying the content. We do have a few challenges here in the desert, but many advantages as well! We try to automate as much as we can here on the farm, so it's easier on us and also anyone who helps us out when we're not here. Usually it's either family or neighbors who cover for us and we plan our time away from the farm around peak times. This way there's far less for someone to do when we're gone. Of course, how much you're doing has a big impact on what someone would need to do for you. Also, what kinds of things you're growing or raising. Fruit trees need no daily maintenance and with irrigation can go many weeks with no input. Garden beds can be automated as well and only need occasional work. Chickens are easy and only need egg collecting each day as feed and water can be automated.
We found these at Uline. They are technically for steel drums, but they work well with plastic also. There are 2 types, one for closed tops (we saw the lids off of ours) and one for open tops. Here is a link to the one for closed top drums; www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-19366/Drum-Covers-and-Lids/Rigid-Drum-Cover-55-Gallon-Closed-Top?keywords=S-19366
Also wonder if you do not have much trouble with coyotes out there, I farm in n the SoCal high desert and would not know how to protect my livestock if I would not have my Great Pyr?
Oh yes, we do have coyotes on the property every night which is why they all get locked up in the evening. We do have plans for LSG dogs and Great Pyrenees is at the top of our list right now!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm, think about donkeys as livestock guardian animals or llamas. Donkeys can also be used for hauling. Llamas also haul, but you can use or sell their fleece. 💖🌞🌵😷
I really enjoy watching your videos. I learn a lot! I am in Yuma and am going to plant an orange, banana, mango, and lime tree on my residential property that is about 1/5 of an acre. It seems that my soil is sand for at least 1.5 feet below the surface. Do you think I should add cactus/citrus soil to the hole in which I am going to plant the trees to improve the soil before putting in the trees?
Hey Travis. I wrote out a response that didn't post for some reason, so forgive me if you get this twice. If your soil is extremely sandy you can mix a bit of screened topsoil (dirt) and/or some compost to give it some structure until the trees are accustomed to the soil. Also, I would HIGHLY recommend starting with the citrus trees and holding off on those tropical trees. They are VERY difficult to successfully grow here and they produce very small yields. There's a reason you won't find any videos on our channel about mango trees and the only banana tree we have was gifted to us. It's surviving ok, but 2 years in and we have not seen any harvest (with none in sight still). In contrast, our 2 year old citrus trees gave us dozens of pounds of fruit in their second year. Same with peaches, apples, mulberries, figs, pomegranates, grapes and blackberries.
Is the reason you put the hardware cloth so far out around the trees is just in case an animal urinates around them that it doesn't drain down to the roots and kill the tree? Just curios, some trees and plants are sensative to sodium and it will kill them. Thanks
Great question. The primary reason for the hardware cloth around any of our plants is to keep rodents and rabbits from the trunk and new shoots of young plantings. The amount of urine that might be applied wouldn't be much of a problem for these types of plants. That might be an issue with young, annual plants though.
Great questions. We'll acclimate them to the ducks and chickens, but I'm not concerned with them. We have other neighborhood cats that wander onto the farm form time to time and they don't bother the poultry. As for crops, we already protect any that the cats would get into from other pests (jack rabbits, etc), so that shouldn't be an issue. If they do the job we "hired" them for, they'll reduce the overall varmint pressure on the farm which is a big problem for us right now. If we have to cat proof a few areas I think it will be worth the trade. I suppose we'll see how it pans out!
Hi Guys, came across your channel by accident and love what your doing. My question is about water, what is your water source? Have you experienced any issues with the quantity this year? We have a small market garden in Northern Tunisia where the "soil" is compacted sand, like you we dig trenches and fill with animal manures, compost and wood chip. Keep up the great work and thanks for the encouragement.
Glad you found the channel and are enjoying the content! We did a video on our water a while back that I'll link for you here; ua-cam.com/video/mD-ucHVNseE/v-deo.html
Looking so proudly at the chickenrun's green belt, I can't imagine you ever getting "pale" yolked eggs. Is your farm making any money? I get quite concerned thinkink about the self-sufficiency of your wonderful undertaking there in the desert. Have you ever seen any UFO'S?
You're correct on those yolks. The only time we see them pale is now when we're overseeding the pasture for the Winter months as they're kept in the coop for a few weeks while the new grass comes in. No UFO's, at least not yet! As for profitability, we did an episode on that earlier this year that I'll link for you here; ua-cam.com/video/WiP92Ao3LbI/v-deo.html
The sound of...scratch... Sung to the tune of the sounds of silence. Tepary beans are good. Cowpeas, uhhh (Lurch moment!). Green beans, forget it. El Nino has been a very bad experience. Leaves on pretty much anything not native are half the size of leaves in other parts of the country. With the cooler weather new leaves are bigger but not a lot. El Nino stunted everything, even natives. I thank God, tho, that you're thriving! Hasta, kids!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Temps aren't a problem for acclimated plants. That rain, tho, ouch. It has so much more in it than just wet. Tap, even well water, cannot compete with negative ions, natural nitrogen and CO2 being washed into the soil and so on. niio
That definitely makes for a unique challenge. About the only thing they are good for is allowing root penetration between the rocks....after you plant the tree by removing a bunch of rocks!!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm we slice them and sauté them in a little butter with eggs for breakfast. They are pretty good that way. Very good for you but I agree that they aren't the best tasting. They grow great in our summer though and we have a limited number of things that grow in the summer here.
We've discussed them in the past, but our primary goal moving forward will be the barn cats we're now raising up to help control them. Was there something in particular you were wondering about?
@@ameliastark688 very little. The majority of our fruit loss on trees is from birds. The major attractant for rodents for us is from the animal feed on the farm and even with that, we don't see much fruit loss from rodents. Some encouragement - you can see what we're accomplishing on this farm and we're only using about 2.5 of our 6 acres. On the old farm we were on 1 acre and had a tremendous amount of fruit production and harvest on it with just over 100 fruit trees planted. While you may have a few more rodents than you do now, that's completely normal when you're growing food. Every farm in history has had rodents. If you're really wanting to grow your own food, there will be challenges, but it's well worth it in my opinion. And if we can do it, so can you!
Non vegetarian farming is a third grade, ,तमोप्रधान quality, be it a permaculture. .... they are are low grade, third class food as per bhagawat gita texts.
Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying vegan/vegetarian farming is the highest quality of farming? In other words, no animal inputs whatsoever (manure, urine, etc)?
Busy , busy, you two are very busy! -I like seeing your chores and keeping us abreast of all that goes on. Thank You for sharing~!
This is one of our busiest seasons and with a little cooler weather we're able to stay at it a bit longer!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm During World War II some Conscientious Objectors were employed on farms, and veteran's groups complained that farm work was too easy! (How many of them had worked on a farm?)
@@Blaqjaqshellaq neither of them had it easy, that's for sure!
I saw someone else use their feed bags to make reusable grocery bags. The farm looks great!
You can also use them to make grow bags (pots for seedlings). They sew up real easy by hand or sewing machine. 💖🌞🌵😷
Now there's someone who knows how to use a wasted resource!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm , here's a link to making the grow bags. He used a different fabric, but feed sacks work the same way. P.s. see my comments below his video as I explain why not to cut the corners off. 💖🌞🌵😷 ua-cam.com/video/vq3aBghgGfo/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
@@suzisaintjames Thank you, heading over there now!
Another good to watch video. It’s so encouraging to see all of your wonderful progress you have scratched out of hard desert earth. Don’t forget you two, pace yourselves, no end of year burnout😊 I’m always glad to see a new video from the Edge of Nowhere homesteaders♥️
The first channel I ever seen that truly CARE for their pigs. Just stumbled on your channel. Thumbs up and new Sub.
Hey there, glad you found us! Pigs are one of our favorite animals to have here on the farm. They are just like teenagers....very destructive teenagers!
What you have achieved is amazing! I am in a dry subtropics area of Australia. Water is always an issue and we have enrered an el nino weather pattern, which means prolonged dry/drought. Your farm has inspired me to keep going, when I was ready to throw in the towel. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I'm glad we can encourage you to hang in there. We have a lot of viewers from Australia, so I imagine you have some similar challenges to what we face here.
Conheça a sintropia.
Tem funcionado na Austrália em áreas secas e quentes.
Conheça o trabalho de Ernest Gotsch e Antônio Gomides, no Brasil.
Happy anniversary guys 🎉🎉🎉!!!!!
Thank you!!!
I am loving seeing the fall flush come in for the farm! The kitties are looking happy and I’m excited to see your upcoming videos mentioning how many rodents Willow gets I hope. We have an indoor cat and my wife knows I want to get a cat to help take care of our rodent population. I can sit out in the morning or evening and watch them running up and down the trees.
The Fall flush is always exciting to see. After a long, hot summer it's a reprieve for everything and everyone on the farm! We're hopeful for the cats as well. Every time we see a mouse, rat or ground squirrel we think of them wandering the property and taking them out!
You guys are doing great.
It's definitely coming along.
I am a painter in the valley.
Totally enjoy your channel. I did a job, not 1/2 mile from you. Keep up the great content.
Glad you're enjoying the content. You'll have to stop by for one of our farm tours and say hello!
My figs are just starting to ripen…things look great guys!
That's a good sign they're ripening up for you now. A few more weeks and we'll be a little too cold...hopefully!!
Your supply room is coming along great! wow!
Funny you should mention that. Our accountant always has us print a detail on our small tools and equipment thinking we're miss labeling a capital expense. We keep reminding him that we're a farm and it takes a LOT of small pieces of equipment to keep things chugging along! Not to mention the feed!!
Excellent video. lot to learn. We missed jujube tree
Hey Abid! Yeah, no Jujube in this one. They're starting to lose a few leaves now that we have some cooler weather. They really like the heat!
Nice. So much work. I really see you both love it. I'm learning so much from both of you. Thank you
Glad to hear it. It's one of the reasons we try to capture as much of what we do as we can. Both the good and the bad!
much needed video, help was sent thank you🤗
Glad you enjoyed this one. We planted a few grasses in this area last week and the soil turned like butter!
I love the work y'all are doing. Thank you for sharing your journey.
Glad you're here with us!
Enjoy seeing your weekly updates and tips! 👍🌱🏜️
Hey guys, glad you're hanging in there still!!
Wow, you are so lucky your caliche is 18"+ down! I was wondering why you never seemed to use a jackhammer or excavator to prep your soil. We live just outside Tucson and our caliche is RIGHT below the surface. We have to use both jackhammers and excavators to do any planting - just in our residential yard. 🙁
That stuff really is our biggest challenge from a soil standpoint for most of us in AZ. Our first property was on the side of a hill, so we had about 12" of fill dirt and then solid rock, so it can get worse!
Bunch grasses coming soon.... I'm a little excited to see what you picked, and hope it's something native. Maybe some Panicum "Cloud Nine"? Could I be that lucky? Nah, you really need that for the back area just so you can enjoy the view. Maybe Big Bluestem?
I'm really looking forward to your report on the Tepary beans. It''s too wet to grow them here, but I might have to order some just to see how they are in ham-n-bean soup and/or chili.
We're having a heck of a time finding switchgrass starts. There are a few other "grasses" in the local nurseries, but I get the feeling we may need to wait for Spring to find the "good stuff".
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Getting starts might be a problem, yeah. Even the Pheonix Home Depot's website says they'd have to order in the Switch Grass. That's for a 1-gallon pot, though, and you'd have to divide it yourself.
I checked with Izel Plants, and they say they can't ship to AZ. That might be an issue with State law, worried about "invasive" plants. Weird that you can get Vetiver all day long, but a native grass that actually grows in the state is No Bueno.
I'll continue the hunt!
I love you guys ❤️ Thank you for all of this
Glad you enjoyed this one!
Always top quality ❤
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed this one! ❤️
Eline emeğine sağlık bu güzel video için kolay gelsin hayırlı işler....👍👍👍👍
Mesut'a teşekkür ederim. Umarım Türkiye'de her şey yolundadır!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm herşey yolunda bir sıkıntı yok sert toprağı yumuşatmak akıllı bir cözüm 👍👍👍👍😎😎😎
Your channel is so inspiring. I found your channel by searching raising chickens in Phoenix. We haven’t started homesteading for a few reasons, but one of the main reasons is travel. We love to travel but don’t know who would take care of things while we’re gone. In this video you mentioned that you went on a trip, so I was wondering who took care of the animals. Did you recruit family, or did you hire someone from thumbtack or similar app or was it a neighbor? I would love your tips on this issue. Thank you for creating this UA-cam channel…I’m really enjoying it.
Glad you found us and are enjoying the content. We do have a few challenges here in the desert, but many advantages as well! We try to automate as much as we can here on the farm, so it's easier on us and also anyone who helps us out when we're not here. Usually it's either family or neighbors who cover for us and we plan our time away from the farm around peak times. This way there's far less for someone to do when we're gone. Of course, how much you're doing has a big impact on what someone would need to do for you. Also, what kinds of things you're growing or raising. Fruit trees need no daily maintenance and with irrigation can go many weeks with no input. Garden beds can be automated as well and only need occasional work. Chickens are easy and only need egg collecting each day as feed and water can be automated.
Great channel, where do you guys get those yellow lids for the 55gl blue plastic barrels, much appreciated if you would share the info, thanks.
We found these at Uline. They are technically for steel drums, but they work well with plastic also. There are 2 types, one for closed tops (we saw the lids off of ours) and one for open tops. Here is a link to the one for closed top drums;
www.uline.com/Product/Detail/S-19366/Drum-Covers-and-Lids/Rigid-Drum-Cover-55-Gallon-Closed-Top?keywords=S-19366
What is your best nectarine to grow?
We only have 1 variety that we've been successful with and that's Artic Star. Fantastic tasting, white flesh nectarine.
Also wonder if you do not have much trouble with coyotes out there, I farm in n the SoCal high desert and would not know how to protect my livestock if I would not have my Great Pyr?
Oh yes, we do have coyotes on the property every night which is why they all get locked up in the evening. We do have plans for LSG dogs and Great Pyrenees is at the top of our list right now!
I’ll bet the goats would have done your mowing for you! Happy Anniversary!
@@chetnash5991 they would definitely have taken care of the alfalfa!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm, think about donkeys as livestock guardian animals or llamas. Donkeys can also be used for hauling. Llamas also haul, but you can use or sell their fleece. 💖🌞🌵😷
I live in Valley Center. We have coyotes often. We have to lock up our animals.
Raising cats now? How do they taste?
Finnicky....at least one of them!
I really enjoy watching your videos. I learn a lot!
I am in Yuma and am going to plant an orange, banana, mango, and lime tree on my residential property that is about 1/5 of an acre. It seems that my soil is sand for at least 1.5 feet below the surface. Do you think I should add cactus/citrus soil to the hole in which I am going to plant the trees to improve the soil before putting in the trees?
Hey Travis. I wrote out a response that didn't post for some reason, so forgive me if you get this twice.
If your soil is extremely sandy you can mix a bit of screened topsoil (dirt) and/or some compost to give it some structure until the trees are accustomed to the soil.
Also, I would HIGHLY recommend starting with the citrus trees and holding off on those tropical trees. They are VERY difficult to successfully grow here and they produce very small yields. There's a reason you won't find any videos on our channel about mango trees and the only banana tree we have was gifted to us. It's surviving ok, but 2 years in and we have not seen any harvest (with none in sight still). In contrast, our 2 year old citrus trees gave us dozens of pounds of fruit in their second year. Same with peaches, apples, mulberries, figs, pomegranates, grapes and blackberries.
Is the reason you put the hardware cloth so far out around the trees is just in case an animal urinates around them that it doesn't drain down to the roots and kill the tree? Just curios, some trees and plants are sensative to sodium and it will kill them. Thanks
Great question. The primary reason for the hardware cloth around any of our plants is to keep rodents and rabbits from the trunk and new shoots of young plantings. The amount of urine that might be applied wouldn't be much of a problem for these types of plants. That might be an issue with young, annual plants though.
What you gonna do about the cats going to the bathroom or knawing on the crops?? Or chasing the ducks and chickens?
Great questions. We'll acclimate them to the ducks and chickens, but I'm not concerned with them. We have other neighborhood cats that wander onto the farm form time to time and they don't bother the poultry. As for crops, we already protect any that the cats would get into from other pests (jack rabbits, etc), so that shouldn't be an issue. If they do the job we "hired" them for, they'll reduce the overall varmint pressure on the farm which is a big problem for us right now. If we have to cat proof a few areas I think it will be worth the trade. I suppose we'll see how it pans out!
Hope it works out for you. And I have to say, kittens are always too cute!! 😆😆
Hi Guys, came across your channel by accident and love what your doing.
My question is about water, what is your water source? Have you experienced any issues with the quantity this year?
We have a small market garden in Northern Tunisia where the "soil" is compacted sand, like you we dig trenches and fill with animal manures, compost and wood chip.
Keep up the great work and thanks for the encouragement.
Glad you found the channel and are enjoying the content! We did a video on our water a while back that I'll link for you here;
ua-cam.com/video/mD-ucHVNseE/v-deo.html
Thanks for the link, quite a setup you have there. Here in Northern Tunisia our system is much simpler. Not ideal, but you work with what you have.
P.s. I’d totally pay money to see you guys dressed as jack sparrow and poison ivy for Halloween!
Ooh, now that would be fun!!
Looking so proudly at the chickenrun's green belt, I can't imagine you ever getting "pale" yolked eggs. Is your farm making any money? I get quite concerned thinkink about the self-sufficiency of your wonderful undertaking there in the desert. Have you ever seen any UFO'S?
You're correct on those yolks. The only time we see them pale is now when we're overseeding the pasture for the Winter months as they're kept in the coop for a few weeks while the new grass comes in. No UFO's, at least not yet! As for profitability, we did an episode on that earlier this year that I'll link for you here;
ua-cam.com/video/WiP92Ao3LbI/v-deo.html
The sound of...scratch... Sung to the tune of the sounds of silence.
Tepary beans are good. Cowpeas, uhhh (Lurch moment!). Green beans, forget it. El Nino has been a very bad experience. Leaves on pretty much anything not native are half the size of leaves in other parts of the country. With the cooler weather new leaves are bigger but not a lot. El Nino stunted everything, even natives. I thank God, tho, that you're thriving! Hasta, kids!
This summer really was a doozy. The complete lack of rain with the consistent hot temps really pushed everything and everyone to the brink.
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Temps aren't a problem for acclimated plants. That rain, tho, ouch. It has so much more in it than just wet. Tap, even well water, cannot compete with negative ions, natural nitrogen and CO2 being washed into the soil and so on. niio
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Glad you enjoyed this one!
I'd be uncomfortable walking through the high brush in the chicken pasture for fear of a rattlesnake.
It's always a little scary walking through that, but even tough it looks really thick, it's usually patchy enough to see through it.
My soil is about 90% rock.
That definitely makes for a unique challenge. About the only thing they are good for is allowing root penetration between the rocks....after you plant the tree by removing a bunch of rocks!!
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm Cactus seem to like it. Rocky soil drains well.
Okra - Now there is a veggie I've never really understood. They have more slime than snails. Yuck!!! What in the world do you see in them?
Well, once we tried the pickled okra this week we've decided to feed them to the pigs and never grow them again! 😂😂
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm It would be funny as all get-out if even the pigs won't eat them! LOL
I eat them raw. Great crunch and no slime.
@@NanetteLoves2Budget seriously? What do they taste like?
@@EdgeofNowhereFarm we slice them and sauté them in a little butter with eggs for breakfast. They are pretty good that way. Very good for you but I agree that they aren't the best tasting. They grow great in our summer though and we have a limited number of things that grow in the summer here.
Please discuss rodents.
We've discussed them in the past, but our primary goal moving forward will be the barn cats we're now raising up to help control them. Was there something in particular you were wondering about?
Are they eating fruit off your trees? We have an acre and want to plant fruit trees, but I don’t want to attract rodents.
@@ameliastark688 very little. The majority of our fruit loss on trees is from birds. The major attractant for rodents for us is from the animal feed on the farm and even with that, we don't see much fruit loss from rodents.
Some encouragement - you can see what we're accomplishing on this farm and we're only using about 2.5 of our 6 acres. On the old farm we were on 1 acre and had a tremendous amount of fruit production and harvest on it with just over 100 fruit trees planted. While you may have a few more rodents than you do now, that's completely normal when you're growing food. Every farm in history has had rodents. If you're really wanting to grow your own food, there will be challenges, but it's well worth it in my opinion. And if we can do it, so can you!
Non vegetarian farming is a third grade, ,तमोप्रधान quality, be it a permaculture. .... they are are low grade, third class food as per bhagawat gita texts.
Hmm, I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying vegan/vegetarian farming is the highest quality of farming? In other words, no animal inputs whatsoever (manure, urine, etc)?