The Lighthouse, Twilight, And Masculinity
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Still thinking about when they almost kissed and then immediately started wrestling 👀👀👀 i think there’s definitely more to say about the sexual side of violence and hierarchy.
Definitely! The weirdly sexual nature of their power struggle was probably what made it all click for me that this movie had things to say about gender. Like when Winslow is beating Thomas near the end and the power dynamic shifts into his favour and Thomas starts turning into the mermaid, the one feminine image in the whole film.
Adina Beck Then he spilled his beans. Dammit that movie is so quotable lol 😂
Took me a bit to figure out whether you were talking about The Lighthouse or the bedroom scene in Twilight
@@KayAndSkittles well that was more forshadowing of Thomas' curse. also it wasn't a mermaid.
^it was triton
god I forgot how terrible the makeup is on Robert when he's playing Edward. like the man is legit hot and you do this to him?! that should be a crime!
twilight got next to no money in production, so i don't judge it harshly. plus it gave me the supermassive black hole baseball scene, the reason for my continued existence
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TindraSan no the make up was intentionally sparing to allow the director to bring out the inherent textures of the film itself. They used B&W Eastman Double-X 5222 film which has notoriously low sensitivity. It required powerful HMI lights to light scenes. Add a custom short pass filter, vintage Baltar lenses and an aperture of T2.8 and you have all you need to make both Pattison and Dafoe look as though they were wearing a coat of deep, ingrained filth.
Uremawife Nowdave She was talking about the makeup in Twilight, not in The Lighthouse (whose makeup was fine).
wym? the makeup made him look like the hot vampire hes playing
Robert then: shows no emotion in 5 films
Robert now: shows every emotion in 1 film
Big Mans he’s good in goodtime though
Criticism can't be done without understanding of the facets of life via sociological, philosophical, economical etc
They grow up so fast...; =')
The material probably had something to do with that
It's almost like he was playing a vampire who had few emotions
Alright, have it your way. I like your video.
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Mmmmm has always always a imi
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Yer fond of me essays! Say it!
Domestic work should be more celebrated :'(
Agreed. Being a traditional housewife is hard work and shouldn't be looked down upon.
Fruit Connoisseur fr.
@@EGV88 true. Also being a stay at home dad is hard and important too and shouldnt be looked down on either
Personally, no tedious work should be celebrated, but treated as the necessary evil that it is. Hedonism is a cruel spouse, since it needs its opposite to be maintained.
Dude fuck yes it makes me so happy to see a Jojolion avatar in these comments. I was precisely thinking about how in Jojolion has the BRILLIANT nuance that Kaato is 100% right in critiquing the societal of expectation of a women sacrificing herself, yet still a villain--since the point is that Jobin, Kaato and Valentine are 100% correct in their ethical motives, yet still villains for disregarding the ethical priorities of others.
Also I agree with your comment, this essay was A+ but I wish he'd explored more the idea of how Dafoe doesn't respect Pattinson's labor or time--and how that isn't just patriarchy, but also labor explotation/class inequality.
For this video I literally got a PragerU ad about how men aren't acting like men
Clayton Griffith I swear, PragerU is like a cancer
@austin M I don't have that opinion, that was the ad's thesis and I thought it was ironic to get on a video arguing the opposite. (But I tend to notice a lot of PragerU videos on leftist videos)
@Black Knight Fool Well you can take the Male one, I'm not really attached to gender but you gone have to scrape the black off of me
@Black Knight Fool imagine being this pressed about someone disagreeing with you cause they're the same race xD couldn't be me
austin M if you don’t know why PragerU is absolute trash then you’re an idiot
bruh....... i really like this interpretation. I was so uncomfortable through the whole movie b/c the older guy reminded me of my narcissistic dad... the gas-lighting, the instant anger, the drinking, the control.... They really captured patriarchal madness well
Hey!!! You're part of the alcoholic, self centered, dad group too?
@@TheGalacticWest ahaha unfortunately I am. Idk if you're into Pixar films at all, but their recent one called Onward hit me right in the dad feelings. It's supposed to be cute and fluffy, but I ended up crying like 5 or 6 times b/c my real father sucks so much.... ugh anyway yeah i recommend it for anyone with dad issues
@@Cordial_Lump I haven't watched it. interested though. "The judge" is the movie that got me.
I’m so sorry that you had to go through that. I hope you got away from him.
@@faristasairuv5143 yo thx, unfortunately not yet but I am better at dealing with bs :P
when talking about twilight and jacob's behavior, it's very important to remember it's not just influenced by gender but race as well. him and edward both have violent and creepy behavior but jacob's is characterized as more physically aggressive and wild, also represented by meyer's choice to have him be a literal fucking monstrous animal, and make the entirety of the werewolves in the story native american which is...not a good look! loved this essay, hope we can have more discussions on masculinity and gender in media analysis
Its been years and I only read it so I could speak knowledgeably about it, but as I recall, I didn't find Jacob nearly as creepy as Edward. It might have had to do with the fact that we were supposed to be rooting for Edward, I'm not sure. It seemed to me that Jacob took Bella's feelings into account more than Edward on multiple occasions. Everyone always brings up that kiss, and I don't remember it having that much impact on me at the time. But yeah, gotta say, it ticks every cringe box in the racist category.
Well, sure, the werewolves are native american .. Dont think that necessarily is racist though. I mean, why not use mythology from indiginous peoples,, and actually give those powers (skinchanging) to character who ethnicly are indiginous rather than just have white people we wolves. Also, the native americans are not protrayed as out of control in nearly the way that vampires are.
P Hi! Sorry for replying so late, just wanted to say they were prob referring to the whole story element with Emily (I believe that was her name?) was attacked and scarred by her partner because he uncontrollably changed and became violent. Inclusion of minority characters is awesome, if done with care. Meyer may have tried initially, but there’s definitely a lot of Yuck
Meyer is absolutely a racist so I'm not surprised.
edward isnt violent towards bella in the twilight saga. he goes as far as not interfering between the possible relationship between bella and jacob. and when jacob forcibly kisses bella, edward tells jacob to never do that again until she asks for it.
also ... yes jacob is a monstrous animal but so is edward. yes vampires are depicted to be more majestic but they are just as "animalistic" and "wild" esp if you saw the last movie where bella hunts a puma.
Beginning of the video: women's rights, Gender roles
End of video: while Thomas blasts out *_glorious loads_*
@Black Knight Fool
what
I'm gonna go ahead and subscribe to your channel ok, but I never want to hear the phrase "glorious loads" ever again. Promise me, you and Captain Skittles.
I... I'm so sorry but I just can't make that promise.
@@KayAndSkittles 😂😂😂
This is my first video of yours. I immediately subbed after reading this reply!
I've seen this movie six or seven times since it came out. And watched about 30 different videos from about 30 different youtubers and they all came up with 30 different interpretations and points of view.
Literally you can come up with any explanation or interpretation you want, as long as you have a good argument and provide a good discussion.
For me this is the sign of a truly great movie. We simply love to see it.
Old post but to respond to this, Pattinson said that he reckoned that he, Dafoe, and the writer all had a different take on what the story was. Pattinson asked if it was all "real, like really happening, or is this some kind of magical island? Whose perspective is this from?" And he was just told "Well, you have to decide that yourself."
*Yes.* The reason this doesn't have more likes is probably bc of this channel's audience that believes this is the one true meaning. The Green Knight had the same effect. I love movies like this.
Hmm in Virginia Wolf's To The Lighthouse, a father's unwillingness to understand and prioritize the longing of his son to take a boatride trip to a lighthouse is also a central image of his failure to be a competent parent and father and later, war also tears family asunder and causes male loss of life in the family (I forget, but possibly the same son). It would be fun to connect the classic book to the movie and also to a Edger Allen Poe story "The Light House" which was an early inspiration for this film, according to wikipedia.
GLORIOUS LOADS
My Grandma was the first female locker room attendant for the San Diego school district in the 60's or 70's. She got the job because she was the only female custodian and her predecessor was a man filming the ladies changing. All of her subordinates where men. I saw the picture that was in the paper when it was announced she was the only woman. And she hated her job, she was surrounded by men who thought that her position should have been theirs. And she agreed with them. The only reason she kept it was because my Grandpa had a hard time being the bread winner.
Why'd ya spill yer beans?
WHYD YA SPILL YER BEANS, SQUIDWARD?
"Why'dja spill yer jellybeans?"
-Captain K'nuckles
Why'd you spill your beans... Winslow...
I absolutely loved this video and I love the discussion of the particular usefulness of the term patriarchy vs toxic masculinity.
That was the most intelligent thing I have ever heard. It was equal to the Matrix quote, “ What you know you can't explain, but you feel it. You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad.”
The lighthouse is going to be a talk piece in film, philosophy and psychology courses for ages.
Having seen the movie recently, and loved it, I just wanted to add that there, to me, is more complexity to the relationship between Winslow and Wake. Specifically, in the curse scene, it's very obvious that Wake is yearning for the approval of Winslow. If we interpret the scene as a metaphor for homosexuality, ie "ye like me lobster" as a metaphor for Wake's sexual advances or sexuality, then we can see Wake as an older and deeply insecure man who sees the young and handsome Winslow as something he is yearning for, but at the same time, driven to dominate.
Maybe that's an allegory for the way in which patriarchy conditions men to root their identities in their ability to possess that which they are taught to, namely their partners, in the only way they know how, violence and domination.
You’re just waffling at this point. Get a job and maybe you’ll be able to think something worth while
After so many hot takes of Parasite (3rd fav movie of 2019), I'm pleasantly surprised finally getting an engaging essay of Lighthouse (2nd fav movie) next do Uncut Gems my fav movie of 2019
Emasculation: AKA being woman-like is the greatest insult known to man.
well, I know a few men who don't think so ;) but yeah, it's supposed to be THE insult. If you actually think about that though, it's like "wow, that's really stupid and childish". The point is that most people don't.
or now hear me out now try instead of thinking about it as boo women bad. you can look at it as purposefully misgendering a man. doesnt feel nice to be misgendered
@@chi8514 No, because that's not what we're talking about. Misgendering a man would be insisting on using the pronouns "she" and "her" to refer to him. Which would be rude and disrespectful, but not really an insult. Emasculation is taking away a man's power. It's reducing his status in the eyes of society: not simply refusing to respect his status (i.e. being disrespectful). The problem is that in our society, things which are typically done by women (whether for practical reasons or just by tradition) are therefore seen as lesser. It isn't "women=bad" per se, but rather "girl stuff=bad". After all, not every woman is feminine. If a man engages in anything labeled "feminine" by society (wearing pink, raising children, doing housework, etc) he risks ridicule and a reduction in his status in the eyes of others. To misgender a man is to disrespect an individual during a single social encounter. To emasculate a man is to negatively effect all of his future social encounters. I hope that makes sense and helps you understand the issue, friend :)
@@sophiejones7727 You dont see how it is rude and insulting to men when you purposefully attribute femininity to them basically attacking their identity. if you dont think its insulting for men to emasculated by feminine attribute, then it should not be insulting rude or disrespectful to call a trans man she or a trans woman he . unless your saying in that instance both masculinity and femininity is seen as bad per se
@@treacherousjslither6920 "women" don't want anything. Average people don't exist. You can't know anything about what a given woman wants in a man until you get to know her as a person.
I'm going to just ignore the bit where you said women are weak. That's a whole different discussion nobody wants to have.
Really enjoyed this video, felt like you did an excellent job of weighing up some of the uglier parts of gender and oppression. It touched a nerve for me as a trans masculine person, the feeling of being castrated is very real and I feel it not only in regards to my own body but when I look at the men around me who are also struggling within the predefined box of masculinity. I hope you keep the content coming.
Hail Skittles, King of the Briney Deep, Consort of Aphrodite, she whose name is Foam of the Sea!
This movie is like the “Lord Of The Flies” of gender politics and it's role in society.
@Black Knight Fool two cases. That's quite a load there laddy
Damn bruh we gotta liberate gender, like, yesterday
HARD agree
What do you mean by liberate.
@@yoshimasterleader allow people to define their lives for themselves instead of forcing roles onto them according to their privates
@@mildhelmwisun3115 depression would go down like crazy- do you not realize how many people push themselves to be something they despise because of gender roles? How much abuse happens through manipulating people into these extremely narrow paths in life? How many men are lost to suicide because they're not allowed to express themselves or women killed because they didn't become the perfect objects society wants them to become? Liberating gender would make the world a million times better.
@@luciferverone that's totalitarianism, man. If we set roles for everyone when they were born depending on something equally random like hair color, it would be immediately recognizable as a dystopia. Nobody needs to have this shit pushed on them from birth. Having a purpose is fine, but gender doesn't even do that. It just restricts you arbitrarily into behaviors and presentation.
What I found instersting about this film too is how it still manages to present Thomas as a relatively sympathetic character in many regards, he does try to be kind to Winslow, he tries to find common ground and he is shown to be a victim too, with his body being beaten down and maimed by the years of living under such structure. Not forgetting how the story itself is narrated unreliably, he also does act as a voice of judgement on a flawed man who is not free of guilt. It goes to show how hard it is to actually take a side in this argument.
I think another reason Winslow says he feels like a housewife is because the story takes place in the 1890s, were women in society were only give the job of the housewife mainly cleaning up after the man. Like he said in the video it's not the work itself that bothers Winslow sense the character of Winslow prior to the events of the flim was a hard working labor man mainly as a logger doesn't want to do the work of a women because of the time period. Also Winslow being a logger a job where you manly work cutting down trees for wood. Can also further connect Winslow to Prometheus sense wood is used to cast fires.
I seriously love media that explores the fact that when it comes to masculinity, the calls are coming from inside the house, and I especially love it when this fact is commented on and pointed out *by men*. Not just because it shows that you get it, but also because the men who most need to get the message are much more likely to actually absorb it when it comes from someone they recognize as one of their own. Thank you for making this video, and also for reminding me how doggone good this movie is.
I love this gender -power analysis of the film. From a gender power point of view, it might be neat to understand what the film is doing with mermaids and gulls, since the gull seems to be a symbol of the ghost of the last lighthouse keeper (driven crazy and dead before the action started) and the mermaid statue, the only obvious female symbol I'm yet aware of in the film, belonged to him and must be tied to a nightmare of the younger man of finding a beached mermaid who howls at him. Maybe she represents the powerlessness of both beached men? I haven't seen the movie, but that seems worth exploring.
I thought the mermaid statue was symbolic of their need for assertiveness. For instance, Winslow decides to masturbate furiously to it while he works. something that he obviously hates and feels powerless towards.
See, when I (a woman and feminist) say that I think mens rights activism and discussions about how our society limits men are important, I mean stuff like this video
clicked coz its not everyday that youd see someone taking twilight seriously
The look on my face when i found out that lighthouse wasn't a flapjack sequel.
It's a common myth that testosterone increases violence - mostly, testosterone increases appetite. What men have an appetite for varies between cultures. (My source here is Robert Sapolsky, an expert on hormones.) And of course, women have testosterone too, and there are all sorts of other hormones in the mix as well.
Testosterone increases aggressiveness lol
@Dr Boom do you have a source for that claim?
Does anyone have a source? Not in like the philosophical sense, but that two claims have been made and neither provided a link.
Captain Skittles... I haven't heard that name in a long time...
This is such a good take and my favorite analysis of The Lighthouse that I've seen so far. The movie is so complex that I've seen people come at it from all sorts of angles but it's so refreshing and validating to find that someone shared my own personal reading of the film that felt so visceral and real to me after coming out of an abusive relationship which made me think a lot about masculinity and its relation to power in capitalist society.
That little flash of Hegel made me feel even more validated because I've also thought a lot about how well this film's symbolism fits with the master/slave dialectic. Good shit!
One of the ways that this essay nails the subject matter is that it successfully focuses on the Frame/System that is the issue without getting too bogged down in Discrete Symbolism or Individual Events. Frame/System issues are not easily grappled with in reality, and while this is fiction you still exist in reality so it's good to see such well cited and narratively interesting essay work being done
American Politics is actually almost entirely inside of this narrative. Dominance. Subservience. Strength. Weakness. Electability. Loyalty. Signaling.
Sometimes I feel like there's a total void where political essays and narrative essays should be meeting. Where the overlap should be fairly vibrant but instead is . . . often very unhelpful.
Political Theater is a theater that is often not analyzed by serious literature/theater critics and I think this has inspired me to think critically about what it would look like to do so.
This is a great essay and I'm glad you made it and I saw it!
Thanks so much! The way politics is dictated by narratives is one of the main things I want to explore with this channel and whether I'm talking about something by analysing a film or speaking about politics more directly I hope I'm able to put those ideas out there!
@@KayAndSkittles Noah Caldwell-Gervais is another great essayist! I also loved his travelogue through the mojave visiting the physical locations of Fallout and also some roadstop oddities all through the American West
I'm sorry, I know this is a very important topic and you've I'm really happy that we're talking about these things but I just really want to say that the last two minutes of this video are some of the best written I've come across in forever. Just, wow.
Can't really watch this now but i got it playing in the background on low volume for that algorithm support
I am here because Nathan from Acolytes of Horror recommended your channel. I really enjoyed this video, and, more importantly, learned a lot from it and subscribed. Thank you very much indeed :)
Same here! Fascinating how diverse but equally compelling arguments can be made about this film.
"zeus is kind of a dick" you did it!! you broke down greek mythology to its bare essentials!
By the Gods I still haven’t seen the Light House & I’m made about it!
Nice video. Also ... surprisingly non-toxic comments section, given the topic at hand!
This is one of the most powerful channels I’ve come across on UA-cam. You’re essays have changed my point of view in so many unexpected ways. Thanks super duper for being you and sharing your mighty insight and intellect with the world. The world needs more people like you, dude.
I love, love the idea that the light Prometheus led to him being pecked at by birds - not because of some judgement from a jealous god, but as an indirect consequence of his guilt.
The Greeks had a word for this: Pharmacon, which can be translated as both "medicine" and "poison." It means both of those things - the medicine is the cure, the thing that helps us can be used to harm us if used incorrectly or wielded dangerously. Pharmacon is a great word, and a cool idea!
Egyptians had similar idea, in the story of Thoth. Thoth is the writing god (among other things) and he gave writing to man (duh). Thoth's gift came with a cost: people could preserve their ideas in writing, but would commit less to rote memory as a result. That which helps, also hurts. These gifts have a cost.
I think that's a really cool, kinda dramatic idea dontcha think? Makes for great stories and stuff. I think that in real life, most people wouldn't regard reading as bad or as a net loss - if anything it's a really important and cool skill for navigating the world and sharing things!
It's all stories anyway, who says it's the truth?
They said the same thing when the novel was invented, and the calculator, and the internet, and address books in cell phones, then smart phones. Humans are shockingly resistant to change, even when it's good.
@@rosemali3022 I agree with that, Susan Bones. Sometimes I'll try and open something with my teeth or try and unscrew something with my fingernail. Then, right before I do it, I'll stop -- quietly say the phrase, "humans evolved to use tool culture," -- and then get the right tool for the job
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@@Guruc13 That is a hilarious story! I love it. "Humans evolved to use tool culture". Lmao! So true.
Very interesting take, gave me a fair bit to think about.
I personally couldn't help project myself on to the plot, so to me the early supernatural elements turned The Lighthouse into a tale of an undiagnosed Schizophrenic and the dangers of isolation and lack of support on the progression of mental illness: An inherently unreliable narrative rooted in grief and guilt and despair told through Winslow's eyes.
That did end up raising some unfortunate implications in the last part of the film though.
what implications is that?
@@Borat69able Mostly because it plays into the cliche that mental illness equals violence. Statistically, mentally ill people are more likely to be victims of violence than inflicting it, but you wouldn't know it from most media. If you interpret The Lighthouse as a 'in the mouth of madness'-style narrative then it almost becomes inevitable that the cause of Winslow's violence in the climax was due to his mental illness, since much of his mistreatment and experiences that led him to the point of violence were similarly hallucinated.
I think this makes a good bit of sense. Thomas taking a fake name to avoid who he really is fits into this idea, since at least I had a lot of fear of myself and what I was for a long time and tried to bury it as far down as I could instead of owning it. Instead of looking to insight for any of his problems throughout the film, Thomas packs it down and distances himself, but it always comes back up. This might even be represented in a way by burying the old Thomas before he forces a confrontation with the axe, if old Thomas represents the illness.
About the ending itself, you can also interpret that in a different way. Maybe it's not about causing violence and more about giving in to unhealthy delusions and the consequences of that, tearing your own life apart. Things really fall apart for him after he learns he was supposed to be sacked, which puts him on already unstable ground, but his own actions afterwards are what ultimately ruin him. By killing his boss he effectively ends his normal life, and then with the only thing left being to finally reach the lantern, he completely gives in.
Just remember, when you look down on someone, you don't see what's above you. A king looking down on all of their lesser beings atop his/her Ivory tower will never account for the mountains, the sky, or even the planets above that could just topple down and crush them.
@Kursk Yo spore was my jam back then!
The radio interview really resonated with me. I had similar experiences of women telling my they expected me to be more aggressive, more demanding and more controlling. But I hate the parts of me, that are like this. I hate them, because my father is like this and I hate them because alot of people, who did harm to me were like this. I dont want to be like this, although at my worst I am like this.
This is an absolutely well-written and well-done video essay. I have tried to express how archetypal femininity needs to be respected, because to disrespect it is to imply that things associated with “women” are lesser than.
Thanks for making this ❤️
I love to find new takes on the film. I was very on board with the power dynamic, but this was very compelling. Also, while the "Swab" scene was already understood by myself as that, it really gives a whole new vision to it. Gonna enjoy thinking those things on my fouth watch on monday.
Could not rewatch because of the quarantine :(
this is such a great take!
i left this film thinking a lot about dominance and the cycle of violence and force, be it patriarchal or capitalistic or what have you. the fact that not only are their names reduced to 'young' and 'old' in the script but also how they end up sharing the same name really cements the idea that they're two sides of the same coin, two cogs in the same wheel.
the keeper of the light tells the common worker "if you just keep working maybe one day you'll tend the lights, and maybe you'll have someone to boss around", the idea is often "I should be the boss" but so rarely "maybe there shouldn't be a boss at all". (like fry says in futurama: someday i might be rich, and then people like me better watch their step.)
they're both perpetuating the cycle of dominance through violence while everything around them falls apart. and once 'young' kills and becomes the authority himself he's crushed by an even greater one.
This has got to be the best analysis of The Lighthouse i've seen yet. great work.
damn that analysis of maids vs. janitors was top notch.
this is honestly THE BEST and my personal favourite on the lighthouse like!! yes!! this is everything i could never put into words, incredible work and great editing!!!!
The lighthouse works well to talk about the vicious cycle of patriarchy, but, as far as I can see, it can also just as much about what happens when ANY kind of human relationship revolves around absolute hierarchy and abuse. If the original characters are referred to as "young" and "old" it would really work just as well with two women playing the parts, although maybe it's not quite so believable in the 18th century. The movie would still characterize power in a way very associated with male ways of dominating, rather than destructive patterns more typical of women. Then again, what about the idea that the ideology of violent dominance and abuse has no gender, an idea you do play with in this critique. It's worthwhile and productive to read gender politics onto this movie, because certainly that's there, but it also could be read as a story of age-based oppression, or oppression in general (as it relates to human/human, human/animal and human/natural world relationships. I haven't seen the film, but what I see here is pretty emblematic universal exploitation that gets more and more symbolic and general in it's ways of communicating itself. I want to be careful here not to imply that if this is basically a human nature story it isn't important to read it as a gender-power story.
👏👍👍 absolutely agree
God damn. I love a good pick apart of the themes of a film. I love it even more when the write/director says he just wrote a movie based around a lighthouse with no real thought to any of these themes and it all just came together. So damn good
Wow, absolutely blown away by how good this was. Cannot wait to see more! So so glad I found you via twitter/UA-cam.
Doggone sneaky Hegel, there's no escape from his dialectic!
Comrade, I've only just been vaguely been absorbing philosophy from different UA-cam videos and as soon as master and slave came up my brain supplied me with his name, completely unbidden! It's good to get the confirmation that I was right though.
Okay Always Sunny reference I see you, and I raise you one:
The Lighthouse was just Mac and Dennis Move to the Suburbs but without the budget
I'm not sure I agree, but if I get what you're saying, does that make Dennis Thomas and Mac Winslow? Or vice versa?
@@AmunDeus not a perfect metaphor, but I think Mac would be Winslow and Dennis Thomas yeah. Dennis Jnr the mermaid ?
@@doodoojohnson3526 lol, you could argue that. Come to think of it, Thomas 's infamous monologue after Winslow insults his cooking reminds me of Dennis's enraged yelling fits, like his naked one in the episode you mentioned or after some dude called his Land Rover a starter car.
@@AmunDeus precisely haha
Oh my god this is one of the most amazing video essays I’ve seen in literally months. This was so thoughtful and analytical, and genuinely really thought provoking. Im looking foreword to seeing more from this channel
3:18 The part where you explain Prometheus and then so nonchalantly follow up out of nowhere say that "Zeus is kind of a dick" it always makes me laugh so hard.
I mean, he is tho
damn this was amazing I was shocked you only have 6k subscribers I know you are going to blow up dude you got a new subscriber!!
I never ever wanted to hear the words "glorious loads" in this context. And yet, there we are. You did it. Madness.
I absolutely ADORE the way you use media to talk about so many important topic. Instant subscribe. Much love from Latin America.
I really love the fact that this video's aspect ratio is like that. You really put a lot of care in your videos. This one is the first of you I've seen and I'm really in love. Keep up the awesome work"
I really hate that people who have no idea about feminist writing hear "toxic masculinity" and think it means "men bad"
I am astounded by this video. I love this film but your analysis has made it so much more for me. Thank you.
@Hunter Sullivan I agree, that's what I thought too.
Actually man, Stephanie Meyer IS a raging misogynist. That's not me just trying to knock her either. I was the "girly stuff=bad" girl at one point, I get why some women believe things like that. It's honestly hard not to. But, it doesn't matter whether she is a raging misogynist or just not being careful: the damage is still done. Anne Rice, whose intentions were much more benign, has written a lot of the same kinds of things. Female authors perpetuate the old double standards quite frequently. For now anyway, any creator regardless of gender has to try hard to write something that questions the patriarchy.
Now it's a matriarchy
@@carbootstudios2459 whatever you think is a matriarchy, no. There is not now, nor has there ever been a matriarchy.
perpetuating double standards does not make someone a "raging misogynist"
why so hyperbolic? why do you people feel the need to compartmentalize individuals with slanderous labels?
@@carmichaelk.5214 fair.
Just expressing my emotions. No necessity for you to share them.
You’re still a “girly stuff=bad” girl if you think the twilight fantasy is bad. Girls were writing those kinds of stories on their own and will continue to write them no matter how much you change culture or believe that culture is the main reason they write those kinds of stories.
As a trans woman the light house really dug up some things from my past and the various ways I was humiliated at school due to my non masculine behaviour and my non confrontational nature which made my secret desire to be a girl intensley embarrassing to the point that I vowed that I would never tell anyone before I was dead. Finally getting out of that environment and realising that I wasn't actually doing anything wrong seems like it really was the Kickstarter for my self acceptance. This has really helped me stop beating myself up over not accepting who I was sooner.
I’ve been suffering since I’ve watched most of contrapoints, philosophy tube, hbomberguy, 3 arrows, and Shaun’s videos. I needed another channel that would sate my hunger for gender and class media analysis. With your channel,
I’ll be able to restart my bingeing habit
LOVING your aspect ratio, buddy. Great stuff.
i like how you changed the aspect ratio to match the lighthouses
Just when I think I'm done analysing this movie
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Please do a vid on Uncut Gems & the American Dream/Capitalist Myth. I feel like you're the most qualified to do it. This vid analysis was insanely good man.
Stephenie Meyer's writing can be summarized as Love at First Sexual Harassment.
Starting off, I would’ve said: “Tall Tales”
After watching this, I now believe in the light.
Wow, this was a brilliant video. Looking into the whole idea of masculinity in both real life and fiction was really interesting to watch and hear about and since I just saw The Lighthouse (it finally got it’s bluray home release in the Uk on June the 8th) a couple days ago, this brings a whole lot more to think about when it comes to the meaning of the film. I got there was a divide in power, toxic displays of masculinity shown throughout (a great example was when Thomas and Winslow were slow dancing, they get up very close to each other, push each other off and then start punching each other) but the whole idea of the light is now even more interesting then I first thought it was. I don’t know if there’s a definitive idea when it comes to what this film is ultimatelly about, but I feel like on my next watch, I want to try and piece it all together, take multiple interpretations into account (Greek mythology, literal circumstances, metaphorical circumstances, the significance of the tentacles and of course, the whole idea of masculinity being put forward) and better understand this masterpiece. For now, however, I’ll sit back and say, you made a fantastic video and it’s got me thinking even more about this terrific feat of a film.
Damn well presented video essay! Definitely going to give The Lighthouse a watch now. And you've got a new subscriber!
I began to like this more as soon as you showed us the script naming them as young and old
Fantastic commentary. I'm gonna have to watch The Lighthouse now.
Something I always think is worthwhile discussing is the reluctance to discuss the rage building up into someone before they hurt others.
I think if we could talk about how some people feel in the lead up to a violence outburst we might be able to break the cycle.
I feels as though the thought of acting violent is almost as shameful as the act itself, so they bottle it up, till they can’t hold it in any longer.
Excellent way to discuss this topic without vapidly virtue signaling and numbing the mind with buzzwords. I appreciate the thought that went into this
I'm so sick of all these video essays you tube wants me to watch that I almost didn't watch this one, but hot dang if this wasn't an interesting ride from start to finish
This video reminded me of something interesting that happened to me. I had a really complicated realtionship with a girl who was a self-proclaimed feminist a while back. It was just as I was coming out of school and I had issues with supressing my emotions and acting stoic when inside I was tearing at the seams and was considering suicide because that seemed easier than going against societal expectations. This relationship made those feelings far worse because the girl was a complete mess who had been abandoned by her father and was raised by a single-mother. She'd always critisize gender expectations, but more specifically of women. I eventually worked up the courage to let my emotions out like she always encouraged and almost downright tried to force me to do. But as soon as I opened up to her about how lost I felt and even told her about my suicidal tendencies she completely ghosted me. I tried to reconnect with her for almost a year after that, but she wouldn't respond. Eventually my friends asked me how I was doing because apparently she'd told them I wasn't a man and saw me cry etc. (We were in the same friend group). I can't express how betrayed and used I felt, but I've also learnt to be grateful for what happened because I'd never known how open my friends were to emotional vulnerablity and they also told her to not talk to any of us again. I'm a lot more open to emotional vulnerability, but I'm still struggling to forget that time.
It's just so weird to me that feminism and vouching for gender freedom was such a big part of her identity, but at the same time she was 'testing' my conformity to my gender role as a man and as soon as she deemed me to not be masculine enough she gave up on me and tried to tear me down socially and emotionally. I think people need to be made more aware that it isn't just men who enforce the patriarchy, and it isn't just women who suffer because of it.
Masculinity is a prison.
@Theo Lionheart The gender hierarchy patriarchy imposes upon is is a prison so as long as those conditions exist: yes.
@Theo Lionheart Rigidly defined expectations of behavior where deviations are punished is very much like prison yes.
@Theo Lionheart yes...in a way.
@Theo Lionheart yes
Calinas the Necromancer hmm... that sounds like a society.
You know a film is truly great when you come away from it with multiple ways of interpreting and feeling about it.
I love that the aspect ratio of this video is the same as the movie, that good ol' 4:3.
Came for the interesting topic and well-made video.... stayed for the ferret
Bella: Go ahead make me a vampire, take my soul I don't care!
Edward: Alright, have it your way, I like your cooking.
Respect for using the films aspect ratio for the entire vid
Great video. When I listen to people talk about gender-related issues (for instance, the wage gap), I always pay close attention in to the underlying assumptions (earning less money is worse, no matter what you might gain in return). A lot of the times these underlying assumptions are not mentioned or picked apart, even though they are a part of the problem. This video is the first in years that I've seen dive straight into the underlying assumption part, with the question posed right away at the beginning: "Why do we so readily understand that the Young's work is degrading?" I also like that you really cleanly stopped at describing the problem and didn't try to suggest solutions, because that's a whole different discussion. The part where male leaders are perceived as less competent when they ask for help, while female leaders aren't, hit especially close to home. I'm a young woman working in a male-oriented field (nuclear reactors) and I feel it as a huge perk that I get away with asking "dumb" questions. Being a woman, I am allowed to show that I don't know something. I am allowed to ask for help. And I so rarely see that discussed. So thank you for the video; it was a delight.
showing a ferret in the first 5 min of your video is a sure way to get a like from me
Literally I learned so much from this video, but the only thing that stuck is Thomas blasting out glorious loads....
I thought this was going to be about how R.P was resentful that he got his big break in a story for girls, and has been trying to distance himself from Edward, often by choosing roles that made him ugly, because he felt being the pretty boy was emasculating
Yes yes um yes. Masculinity yes yes feminism is cool yes exquisite yes yes.
GAIUS IULIUS CAESAR well what did u think the video was going to be about if you’re so smart?
@@ryukisgod2834 Le beans 👌👌👌
@@ryukisgod2834 Le beans 👌👌👌
Probably the best exploration/explanation of the Lighthouse's themes and subtexts I've seen so far, thanks.
Excellent, insightful and chilling work!
Also that ending scene (OO)
Wait im NOT supposed to stalk a girl, watch her while she sleeps and attack any man interested in her? Man i wish id learnt that a few years ago...... xD
You thought Twilight is bad? My friend made me watch TharnType (Thai bl/gay show) and the end of the first episode was so incredibly rapey (in a very romanticized way as well). I never felt this uncomfortable by an assault-scene, because it was portrayed as such a casual and even hot/romantic thing (and it was very visual as well).
wow youtube recommended a good channel for once. Subbed!
I always took the Mermaid scene as proof of Winslow's homosexuality. Watch his reaction of fear, and almost pure disgust as he reaches the mermaid's vagina. He literally recoils in terror. Later, when masturbating (or trying to) to the mermaid statue, he is plagued by visions of the original Winslow, a man he most likely killed out of sexual frustration, and, a man who funnily looks like a younger version of his boss. We see other hints of this throughout the entire film, with moments like the almost-kiss, Winslow spying on the old man... girating, in bed... Honestly all of Winslow's behaviour reeks of repression.
Isso não é muito justo com Winslow, ele parecia muito impressionado e até apaixonado pela beleza da sereia, até chegar na região da vagina, mas convenhamos, essa parte já era nitidamente de peixe, é claro que alguém se assustaria.
That was quite a ride. Big ups for a great script. Thanks!
just a little fun fact but "faros" means lighthouse in greek
Kay : I do not suggest googling this
Me : *already regrets googling this*