3 Reasons why every Mushroom Grower should be a Vermiculturist.
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- Опубліковано 21 лип 2020
- Hello y'all thank you so much for watching. We talk a little about the struggles and trials of growing mushrooms and how you can turn your failures into fun successes. A little update on our worm bins and why you should get some going.
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How funny. I’m planning out a mushroom hobby farm and trying to figure what to do with spent blocks, my worm bin in the garage had me thinking “can the worms eat the spent blocks and make awesome balanced compost?” And there you are, doing all the things and doing up update yesterday. The network effect in the mycelial community man. Crazy. Thanks for doing what you do and sharing your knowledge.
and i too foundmyself pondering what to do with all these newly acquired mycelial blocks, no more
Has it going with that y'all?
Hey dude, there are new levels of complexity when dealing with animal dung. Even in gardening.
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2 years later, but as far as doing horizontal migration, you can do your bin as 3x2 areas and turn it into like a racetrack. The worms travel through three bins, then go across, then come back down the other 3 bins and end up next to the first bin to complete the cycle. You only need to add a middle separater between bins 2 and 5. I did mine as 2ft by 2ft sections...so 6ft by 4ft overall.
I'm a fellow mushroom grower and a vermicomposter too. Yaaaaay!!! Glad to know I'm not the only one. Great work brother
awesome! it's a lovely combination.
I saw a great way to separate worms, and that is bring the whole bin into the sun. The worms go downward trying to hide from the sun, so when you keep taking layers from the top of the soil with your hands, the worms continue to go downwards in the center until you have a ball of worms at the end.
My husband just got into growing mushrooms. Just blue oysters so far. We also have a garden so I'm pretty stoked to see how the spent blocks of substrate can feed the soil too!
Congrats yes they are such a good resource, also great mulch and you can get subsequent fruiting in the mulch layer.
Yes, diversity & experimentation. 👍
Agreed.
Worm castings also make great nutrition for a mushroom substrate if you happen to have an excess of more nutritionally inert substrate lying around. Like, a coir/vermiculite/worm casting mixture does well for a bulk substrate. Or adding it to your straw or sawdust to enrich it. I'm gonna play around soon with shredded cardboard and the worm poo to see about getting rid of some of the waste I've accumulated and getting some protein out of it.
Cool nice one. Your talking Mushrooms more tailored for a manure based substrate?
@@5DLifestyles Indeed, though I've noticed certain woodlovers (like oysters) don't exactly hate the extra nutrition 😜. But when you mentioned the goat manure for the shaggy mane substrate it got me thinking that I had to comment. Not necessarily from experience on the shaggy mane, as I've yet to attempt to grow them, but from another dung lover that I will leave nameless, if you follow.
Edit:granted oysters also grow on just about anything... I only just got grain finished up colonizing on some lions mane, reishi and shiitake, so at some point I'll get around to seeing how well worm castings work with them.
@@Redpy5 how it goes with the w.castings in mushroom cultivating? I am beginning the mushroom farming now with a couple of years experience around the wormfarming (sorry for my bad english, my russian and german are better) on my shoulders. I had also the idea, that the mushroom should love the nutritions from the w-tee or from the w-castings... please talk about your experiments🤗
. Hey I started thinking about "pasturization" with the bacteria from the worms eating the manure. I have had reasonable succses with Portobello doing this "manure based vermacompost bulk substrate" without technically pasteurizing the manure. Tell me what you think. I have been trying to get more people to also experament with it to see if anyone can have succsess with it and find out a success/falure rate. No one has taken me up on it. I have had about a 75 percent success rate with it but now im working on yields.
Hey brother love the energy you have for mycology. I’m currently building my lab on the property my family and I live. Looks to me we are in similar climates so I intend to use a very similar fruiting room setup as you. Would love to chat! Mush love!
Awesome where you at? Talbott.walker@gmail.com. Gotta love the fungus!
Thanks for the video... great knowledge.
Thank you I appreciate the comment keep on worming and mushrooming!
Hey man good vid with the synergy between mush and worm to separate those worms I run deeper beds and allow to dry a little they migrate down so you can remove all that goodness!
Yeah I think that's the move is allow one side to dry a bit, learning heaps.
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Very cool!
cheers thank you
get your worms to smile at you grow mushrooms in a buckets with cardboard after the mushrooms are done take the cardboard and feed it to the worms with in minutes theyre eating the cardboard i also have the a mushroom farm this works awesome do it and let me know you'll have a smile also its crazy how mush they love this, thanks for the worm welcoming
Fifth dimension all day, love your work
Thank you pal. Gotta get together.
Excellent video.
Thank you very much!
I've used hydrated lime but only in masonry. I've heard agricultural lime can only be used for worms. Is it the same for mushrooms?
Do you have any issues with fungus gnats doing this? I tried to add part of a substrate block a while back and i ended up getting a fungus gnat infestation. However I'm unsure if that was the cause, or if i had bad conditions leading up to that. My worm bins are inside my apartment so I have to make sure the presence of mycelium itself won't attract them
The method I’ve seen for harvesting is getting a piece of cardboard and a strong flood light. Cover one half of bin. Turn light onto exposed area, pull 2 inches and sift. Have a transfer container and a collection container. Sift into your collection container. Dump excess into transfer container. Repeat every 10 minutes or so. The worms run from the light and will either go down or to the side. you dig down until you’ve got what you need.
Nice yeah I've seen similar I should get the sift action going. I've just been building little pyramids and pulling off top inches and working down, I think I go to fast, but its still a bit time consuming, I should just do from bin and sift.
You have awesome videos. I usually repasteurize the contaminated bags and reinoculate. The time for mushroom colonization in those bags normally are lesser after doing that. My english is a little rusty.
Interesting. that works well?
very cool.
@@5DLifestyles better than the other bags. Try one or two bags when you can. I think it leaves more carbohydrates avalaible.
@@rendacomcogumelos interesting. Cheers will do.
This was my 1st video from this cool cat that I've seen & I can't wait to check out the rest of the channel. He speaks a language I get. I'm a complete noob & had to toss a few bags due to green shit I think is trich, I resisted tossing the last one, rescuing it from the trash. Figuring I could at least toss into the veggie garden, Is there any concern w/doing that? .
Thank you so much. Sorry for such a delayed response to such a nice comment. Apparently plants like trichoderma mold and it helps them. Worms will find it and chow down as well.
So step one for this was soak the blocks in an actively aerated worm casting tea? Then just add spent substrate as you go? Do you supplement with any kind of worm food other than the substrate? It looks like beautiful soil/ compost.
Yes so initial was soaking blocks in a compost tea but you don't need to do that. Its a fun bonus to add in bacteria. But straight up block works great. I have smaller bins that I just put blocks in and the worms go to town. Mycelium is like candy to them and then they whine up inoculating it with bacteria themselves so its a food source for a while for them as it takes the wood chips some time to break down. You can do pure blocks for sure as it is "worm food" in these bins if you look at my worm salad video these were layered with a lot of spent blocks and some black soldier fly grub "castings" aka muck a bit of manure and sand and egg shells. Really though you could just do blocks and they'd rock it out. I just like to diversify their diet also diversifying the soil. But if you eat food you would easily be able to diversify with food scraps, I recommend running it through BSFL first its a long over due video to make but there is info out there on it, but you could just layer in food scraps with blocks to diversify but again just blocks would do great. I just realized you're already raising worms so yeah adding them in to your setup will be awesome. Report any findings you have as you seem to have some experience raising worms as well. Happy fungal vermi farming!
just had to say, it was very funny and charming to me to see you being a typical goofy mushroom guy, and then your kid shows up and manly-man-dad-mode activates before you flip back to being all mushroomy. LOL
i'm at the early stages of growing gourmet. i love growing mushrooms a LOT but I don't use enough of them and it bothers me a lot for them to go to waste. it's a weird problem to have. I'm hoping I can sell some at market instead and get the chance to grow a lot of them without wasting too many lol But one of the big problems I'm foreseeing is what to do with the spent blocks. I don't have a ton of land to work with, and traditional composting doesn't seem like it would work well for me. I'm presuming that there won't be much demand for the blocks (even if I gave them away lol). even if there was, I'd need to meet up with those people. that's fine for a large amount of excess, but I need some way to deal with spent blocks and failures without relying on others to take them all lol
i vaguely considered worm farming in the past, knew i could do it with mushroom waste too, but thanks to this video I'll definitely look more closely at it. thank you very much!
Hows it coming? Have you gave it a go? You can always dry your mushrooms. Yes blocks are gold. I have plenty of people where I live who want them. They are awesome for worms and gardens. If you have a pressure cooker you can species sequence as well and get more use and shrink your substrate. Species Sequencing video of ours: ua-cam.com/video/r0v2kXJxQd0/v-deo.html
Thank you for such kind words and feedback.
Are they just earthworms?
that informative..
can i know what worm i can use for spent substrate? preferably worm that normaly use for fishing.. because many fisherman here
and how to avoid contamination from other worm so our worm didn get eaten? thanks
Any composting worm. I use red wigglers. But night crawlers aren't the best composting worm so won't work. Those are this big fat earthworms that are good for fishing. But I bet you could get a redwiggler on a hook.
@@5DLifestyles thankyou, yeah i research a bit and i think if not red wiggler maybe indian blue.
what if i want to reuse the compost for substrate, how will i separate the worm and the compost?
Yeah I've yet to find a speedy way. Basically I make a bunch of little pyramid mounds in the light and slowly go around scrapping the top layer of each pyramid, the worms move in to the inside you keep moving around until you have a little castings worm pile in the middle. Its a bit laborious but kinda of enjoyable as well.
My red wiggler box has a large amount of white mushrooms growing on top of the red Wiggles is that dangerous ?
I wouldn't say so. More food for them.
oh yes i want to ask something.
can black soldier fly larvae eat substrate leftover?
I really appreciate this comment. I do need to keep it up, I've gone on hiatus for too long.
isn't this where you get that tazer rod thing?
im sure it would work great
? confused...curious.
How do you remove the worms from the soil to use it
Great question. I do little mounds and scrap off the outside edge soil and the worms move away from light. I have a lot of mounds so by the time I get back to the first they are more in and I scrap another layer off. Its time consuming. I'm working out a better way.
sir can i make vermicompost for business purposes from button mushroom compost waste ? And how about quality sir ?
Yes of course. From button mushrooms you'd have manure and mycelium, would make a great quality worm casting.
From what i read oyster mushroom can actually kill worm by poisoning them and turn the worm into nutrients as extra nitrogen. so is it actually possible to throw used oyster mushroom substrate into worm compost bin? Or is it better not to do it?
I had heard something similar at one point that the metabolites of the mushroom harm the worms. So I was running through my substrate with a bacterial inoculant first. Later I read in Tradd Cotters book that that is not the case and they love Mycelium, I have found the later to be true, it seems like they are good with Oyster substrate. If your nervous to try you could always just but some worms in separate bin with substrate to not harm your whole population. I usually run experiments with just some of my worms just in case.
Different kinds of worms. Oysters kill and consume nematodes. The worms in a worm bin are annelids. You might think, "Well, they're all worms, right? They must be similar!" but that is most definitely not the case. The term worm is used to describe several groups of organisms that aren't similar at all except in their general body shape.
What is it dad?
Cool dad: Goat Manure
*Kid went to play somewhere else :) *
Funny I wondered if anyone would notice that flaw in continuity when I was cutting.
What's up man idk If an old shit spreader is cheaply available near by in which the floor track still works and you can easily run the pto shaft when you need to add fresh vermi grub and send the old over the back edge directly into its best form of logistics available strait to the garden or wherever. Hmu lmk what you think even wether you thought it was worth it or you'd rather make a sheep from a goat ram lol
What'r button Mushrooms for anyways? Dirts clown suit...?
And then feed the worms to the chickens which poop in your compost.
Exactly its all about the loops, and the poops.
The lime likely brought your PH level much to high.
That is the idea. People are "pasteurizing"with lime, by bringing PH to a level that nothing can live at and it kills off competitors and then the mycelium can run in the substrate after, while PH is high mycelium can handle it and slowly drop it with their acids. I need to do it in a normal way first with just my sugar cane before messing around.
Honestly I compost my spent nutrition bags worm farming takes time and effort and its not for everyone which if you have a full time job and working as a part time mushroom farmer composting or throwing your spent substrate in the garden is easier and less time and effort worm farming is not for everyone it takes dedication
Nice yeah fair enough, I find it pretty easy. Intial setup build takes a little effort but after that just add blocks and keep it wet. If you just want soil you could pull castings it out with worms in it and put in garden. I've been wanting to make a spent block mulch layer direct in garden bed and just put worms in there. I like it cause they turn the blocks to soil fast.
Hey dude, there are new levels of complexity when dealing with animal dung. Even in gardening.
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